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Millyons

10-25-2005, 01:03 PM

well this is driving me mad for a week now, its a strange problem but a big problem......

well basicly i can run my ram G.Skill 4400LE 2x512 @ 310mhz 2.5-4-3-7 2.8v totaly stable and it took me 2 min to set it up but..... i cant run it at 300mhz :stick: reason that i need it lower is so i can run my cpu at 2700 300x9 since it cant handle 2800 310x8

im using 623-3 bios and i also tried 510-3 and 704bta same thing happens.

at 300x9 most "stable" i got it is with 2.7v. 15+ hours of prime and 1000% + of that windows mem test .... but i was getting random BSODs and usualy when the system is under small or no load. This is all the stuff i tried and basicly the results for various settings vary from bsod at boot to pc handeling load (prime, avi>mpg encoding, archiving huge files etc) stable but randomly bsod while opening pdf, or loading a program, or just browsing net and "most stable" was not BSODing but system not responding for everything...

i tried:

different psu, droping cpu X, droping and upping vcore, vdimm, ltd and chipset voltage, all drive strenghts, DQS decrease and increase, max async, read preamble, tras, trc of 8 and 9 (310 stable 7), trrd, tons of combinations of everything and i still get BSODs, so im just out of it, plz help if you have any ideas or simular experiances........ah ya, i never even tried this ram at less than 300 since it was giving me more problems to get to work at stock 275 to 290 than at 300+

these are my a63tweaker shots of 24/7 stable @ 310 and the "Bsod stable" at 300

any ideas?

Zeus

10-25-2005, 01:13 PM

Sounds familiar to the problem i had.
Could run 1000% memtest in windows, did 9 hours of std test memtest 86 overnight, all without errors.

Tests mentioned above were ran at 300 2,5-3-3-7 with 2.86V with a fan blowing over the RAM.

OCCT test on the other hand didn't complete and Prime 95 large FTT's failed within 2 hours.
Also, at random times, load or idle i got BSOD's.

I started testing at CPU stock speeds, mem at 200MHz 2,5-3-3-7.
Still failures with OCCT.
Tried one stick at a time and found out 1 stick was good and 1 caused all the BSOD's and errors.

Left the one good stick in and went back to 300 2,5-3-3-7 and problems were gone. :)

RMA'd the kit and got a fine pair back. :)
I won't run them at 2.86V 24/7 anymore though, even though i have a fan over them.

Millyons

10-25-2005, 01:17 PM

ya it would be easyer if one stick didnt work the weird thing is that they run at 310 stable, and at 300 they did over 15h of prime but still BSOD, and whn at load are rearly BSOD..................ah ya i also tired a different cpu (crappier) and same thing

Zeus

10-25-2005, 01:20 PM

BSOD's can be caused by many things, from PSU or videocard to harddisk or memory.

Memory or memory timings are most likely to cause BSOD's

It's hard to determine form here.

187(V)URD@

10-25-2005, 01:32 PM

Yeah its weird indeed.

My 4400LE is weird also, they run 300 or 310 on 3-4-3-6@2.6V. But anything with higher volts i get bsods or no boot.
Would be nice if I could boot 2.5-4-3-7 :)

GSKILL TECH

10-25-2005, 03:34 PM

@Millyons
could you try 7/3 and tell me the result,

@187(V)URD@
it just wried...... some a64 or other info please :)

Millyons

10-25-2005, 04:05 PM

kk i fleshed to 510-1 since i posted and with same timmings and voltage as bsod stable.jpg and with playing with drive strenghts i get this

a/a - prime 22min ok i stoped it, win mem test 200% i stoped it, BSOD while unraring

7/1 - unrar error then second attempt ok, then when browsing web and posting here BSOD

7/2 - also BSOD while trying to post after deleting the unrared folder

7/3 - BSOD while turning on msn messenger and some windows

7/A - Unraring OK, BSOD when started deleting and turned on Prime

edit: woot i posted,

this with winrar i just noticed to make it BSOD quicker but it doesnt have anything to do with hdds or something else since i also tried all this on my 24/7 310 mhz setting and all is good

Millyons

10-26-2005, 01:23 AM

well i also tried now dram response and also BSOD, also i tried again droping the cpu multi and same thing

kakaroto

10-26-2005, 01:31 AM

I am afraid the RAM is not stable in a very rare way.
Then there must be some paterns been unstable and in your case under windows.

If you get BSOD (IRQ_NOT_EQUAL) then it is definitely your memory.
If you do 300MHz 2.5-4-3-7 is it stable then?

Millyons

10-26-2005, 01:42 AM

310 - 2.5-4-3-(6 or 7) stable
300 - 2.5-4-3 (6 or 7) unstable :stick:

ya i get the IRQ_NOT_EQUAL and PNF_List_Corrupt (something like that)

kakaroto

10-26-2005, 01:48 AM

310 - 2.5-4-3-(6 or 7) stable
300 - 2.5-4-3 (6 or 7) unstable :stick:

ya i get the IRQ_NOT_EQUAL and PNF_List_Corrupt (something like that)

How does your system react on 300MHz 2.5-3-3-6 and 2.5-4-4-6?

Millyons

10-26-2005, 01:55 AM

300 2.5-3-3-6 Bad bearly PI 1mb stable,
but didnt try 2.5-4-4-6

edit, also:

290x9 @ 2.5-4-3-6 is even worse than 300x9 same timmings

ah ya and if i boot with spd timmings @ 200 2.5-4-4-x whatever the spd is i also get bsods but with 2-2-2-5 its ok

mad mikee

10-26-2005, 10:21 AM

So that if you are using a DFI board I can give you settings that have worked fine on GBLE/GBLA. Stick them out here and I will give my settings when I get home from work :D

Why didn't you ask this BEFORE maxx made me shrink my sig so I could get the D2OL stuff on :rolleyes:
(See sig to see what I mean His = GBLE, Hers = GBLA, indabsmt = patriot which is climbing from 285, all using same settings :D )

GSKILL TECH

10-26-2005, 11:59 AM

it just weird, i might try this 1st

300 2.5-4-3-5-7-13-2-2-1-2 level 7 / 3 with 2.6v
keep going up from 2.63 2.7 2.73 2.8, if all fail
try
300 2.5-4-3-5-7-14-2-2-2-2 level 7 / 3 with 2.6v and repeat the voltage above

test level7/1~3, 8/1~3 it takes time but for OC, it is like that

300 2.5-3-3-6 Bad bearly PI 1mb stable,
but didnt try 2.5-4-4-6

edit, also:

290x9 @ 2.5-4-3-6 is even worse than 300x9 same timmings

ah ya and if i boot with spd timmings @ 200 2.5-4-4-x whatever the spd is i also get bsods but with 2-2-2-5 its ok

Millyons

10-26-2005, 12:09 PM

hehe this is getting to be real fun :) ..... well just for the fun of it i tried 2.5-3-3-6 again and at 300mhz and i did a PI 1mb withing couple trys (timming changes) but when i tried it at 275 hehehe NO Way at what ever voltage :)

Millyons

10-26-2005, 02:13 PM

G.S. Tech i started testing what u posted, but first lemme say i changed my slots.I tested them yesterday in opposite slots and they OC less like this (witch i knew already) and since with same settings i can run prime only 10ish min instead of 15 hours so i figured that if i get them stable in these slots or just prime to run for few hours they "Should" be stable in the original slots, just kinf of easyer than waiting for a random BSOD

kk here is the piliminary:

300x9 2.5-4-3-5-7-13-2-2-1-2 7/3

2.6v - memtest 1.65 2048 errors
2.63v - PI 1mb err
2.7v - PI 1mb OK - Prime 12 min OK i stoped it, BSOD when unraring
2.73v- PI 1mb OK - BSOD while saving screenshot
2.8v and up PI err

now testing 7/1

Mad Mike i set up a sig with my system, also if it helps im running ltd at X3, chipset voltage 1.5v and ltd 1.2v

mad mikee

10-26-2005, 03:35 PM

hopefully it wil help you :D
Same board, Bios 704-bta
From da bios:
200,E,4,7,3,10 (could be 11 too),14,3,3,2,3,2,2336,E,I,0,7(weak 4), 2,8,N,6,A,E,16,7,D
Vdimm should be 2.7 (add teh .3 if its close)

If this works try to tighten WTR/RTW by 1 each (1 at a time) and set IDLE TIMER TO 64

Let's see if this get ya anywhere - good luck mad :nuts: mikee

Millyons

10-26-2005, 03:57 PM

thanks man, ill try them tommorow, im just gonna let this test and go to bed.....my head is killing me

Supertim0r

10-26-2005, 05:57 PM

I already have similar problem...my pc just random reboot. Prime95/win memtest #1. No BSOD but...reboot. I hear a weird HDD sound and...reboot :mad:

Tried 2 differents ultra-d, TCCD & UTT, other psu...damn DFI :p:

ahmad

10-26-2005, 07:03 PM

2.8v seems like too much for TCCD. Had a few die on me with that kind of voltage. Now I am strict, no more than 2.7v.

Millyons

10-27-2005, 12:06 AM

GSKILL TECH

10-27-2005, 10:18 AM

@ Millyons

do you mind to check 275 2.5-3-3-7, if can't work, i am ready for it to rma

Millyons

10-27-2005, 11:54 PM

well from couple more days of testing the settings you told me i got
at 300 2.5-4-3-5-7-14-2-2-1-2 8/1 @2.7v most stable but still BSODs happen
well i thaught that i Must be over looking something so once again i played with my cpu and cpu voltages, and still nothing droped the multy down to 6 and stock vcore and got prime to run 30min before BSOD...................well i "quickly" tried my sticks from the 200 up and got @ 2.7 vdimm x-x-x-5-7-14-2-2-2-2 166/1.95 strenght auto PI 1mb stable:
2-2-2-5 - 215mhz OK 220 err
2-3-3-5 - 240 OK 250 bsod
2.5-3-3-5 - 250 OK 255 err

i also tried 2.5-3-3-x-6 and 7 - 7 and 9 - 13 and 14 and 16 - 2 and 3 - 2-2-1 and 2- 166/1.95 and 200/3.9 - various strenghts and I couldnt get PI 1mb at 275mhz

also when i first got this ram i had Msi K8N Neo2 and i couldnt get it to run at 275 2.5-3-3-x

im trying to get it to work right since im in Serbia and dont know how much sending this by mail would cost but more importantly would i ever get it back since our post here is not to realible, i could use DHL but think that would probably cost alot and still i dont know how to clear this with customs when it gets back

Millyons

10-28-2005, 12:48 AM

god this is annoying...... i just about gave up on it, but i wanted to try once more, i loaded up my 24/7 310 2.8v stable settings set em to 300x9 and got PI err but i changed tref from 166/1.95 to 200/1.95 and primed for 15 min and i stoped it to reset and stick 200/1.95 in bios and try, well see what happens but im expecting a BSOD within 30 min........... how do trefs go in the bios, are the top ones faster or slower (ie is 166/1.95 faster or slower than 200/3.9) also what other trefs should i try thanks

Millyons

10-28-2005, 02:55 AM

results for now:
-310mhz
4708= 15.187us - 24/7 stable settings

-300mhz different tref at 2.8
4708= 15.693us - PI 1mb err

0128= 0.426us - PI 31.203 - Prime 57min

2560= 8.533us - PI 30.79 - Prime 24 sec
2336= 7.786us - PI 30.750 - Prime freeze
2048= 6.682us - PI didnt run - Prime 2.5 min

3604=12.279us - Testing atm Prime 38min OK for now (knock on wood)

mad mikee

10-28-2005, 09:12 AM

Sorry don't remember stuff ATM but there is a table that matches TRef to FSB.

May sound like going backwards but when I get to a point like this I would keep the 2336 / 4708 and everything else the same and see if it will work @ 270+, run prime for awhile (whatever works for you) then start bouncing upward slowly, sorta 'sneak up' on 300.

Sorta like finding a good 'base camp' b4 climbing higher up the mountain :D
May take awhile, but may just work here. It's something you get a feel for as you are doing it on your system.

Test using OCCT also, since it is constantly loading / unloading memory when set correctly (go to options, set memory from 64k (yeah that's a real test :rolleyes: ) to 890mb (I've found that to be a good trade off between getting the most memory tested vs thrashing w/ minor things like teh OS :D ))

GSKILL TECH

10-28-2005, 09:17 AM

Millyons

10-28-2005, 02:42 PM

how it is now??
try 3684 (1.95us,100) from the late one up 4 time

sorry error that was 3684, it ran for 45min and then BSOD, i went through all trefs with variable results both at 2.8 and 2.7 but it didnt solve the BSOD problem.... :(

there is something really weird with this ram, like i said its easyer to get it to work at higher mhz than at stock, i couldnt do 275mhz 2.5-3-3-x or 2.5-4-3-x not even PI 1mb run, but i can do a PI 1mb run at 300mhz 2.5-3-3-x, one thing i noticed is that i can almost do it at 275 with htt x4 instead of x3, that is also why im clocking down from it........but i do still believe (i want to believe) that it can be solved, lol g.skill should send me a free set if i get this to work hahah :) jk. im not sure if i posted already that i had Msi K8N Neo2 when i got this ram and it also couldnt do 275mhz but i got 1mb run at 290 (before changing trcd to 4 from 3 and killing my bios on it, thats why i ran out and got the dfi)

Caml Light

10-30-2005, 03:42 AM

Hi Millyons! You could try with:

DRAM Voltage Control: 2,7V or 2,7+0,03V
TREF: 4708
DRAM Drive Strenght: 5 or 6
DRAM Data Drive Strenght: Level 1 or 3

Try with these settings! ;)

Millyons

10-30-2005, 10:58 AM

im having a break from them for few days and playing a bit with my BH5, first set already doing around 260 @ 3.53v ....... but concerning my G.Skill TCCD im gonna get another Ultra D in couple days and test them on it also, so well see what happens.....

GSKILL TECH

10-31-2005, 09:27 AM

let me know, if you need to help or RMA just pm me. i am ready for everyone during weekday :)

Vapor

10-31-2005, 09:35 AM

Millyons

10-31-2005, 02:15 PM

I'm starting to think you've at least partially corrupted your partition by now....could be causing a few of the BSODs.

3684 should have worked.....how about you try working at 275 and see if these are RMAable, no sense struggling with them if they're fubared.

i i thaught the partition was screwed but i got 4 (2 pata and 2 sata) drives and 3 os instals and also tried with a different install and to a different hdd but bsods were still there..............im struggling with them since it would be hard / really expencive to rma them from my country, but well see in few days gonna pick up the mobo tommorow

Dave338

04-25-2006, 11:13 PM

Hi dude!!

I'm upping this threat because I have similar problems with my TCCDS (or with he DFI, how knows).

The fact is that my OCZs doesn't give me BSODS usually, but I have problems with some FSBs and timings.

My sticks o well at 2-2-2 to about 215, at 2-3-2 about 225-230, at 2-3-3 to about 245. When putting 2,5-3-3 can go up to 265-270 i think, but at this point they are unstable even at 2,5-4-3-8 until I surpass FSB290, when they become stable again until FSB305

Is very anoying to have the 270-290 range unusable and I'm sure it has to be somewhat related to the rare timings

The complete list of timings is 2,5-4-3-8-12-14-3-3-2-2-3120-1 16x7x 8n5n 7/2

The fact is that I founded a few months ago some people with the same problem, and all of them had TCCD.

What happened at last with your g.skills??? Did you solved the problem????

salu2.