DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert

[wai-wai]

anyone know when will it release ?! :woot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37460

[Syndicate]

They recon about the same time that the Cross fire boards are releases, about the end of September.

[wai-wai]

They recon about the same time that the Cross fire boards are releases, about the end of September.

nice~ :banana:
through the box it seems support RAID5 ? :confused:

[cupra]

nice.
expert - that is the new rev of the boards ?

[wai-wai]

wow :fact:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37461&stc=1

[wai-wai]

any more informations about this board pls post here~~~
thx~!! :banana: :banana:

[wai-wai]

the layout

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/ocworks/imgs/0/7/071bf9f2.jpg

[Vapor]

Seems all 8 SATA ports support RAID5, doubtfully in a single array however.

Also, there doesn't seem to be a JP17, meaning there is a decent chance that they stabilized VTT (and now we don't need to change the jumpers too).

[Daved+]

I want it!!! Damn!

[ozzimark]

same thing as this it seems
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70116

[Supertim0r]

we should be able to put a damn heatsink on that chipset :banana:

[GRAFiZ]

LOL... big whoop.

Anyone remember that Simpsons episode about the Stacy dolls?

"She's got a new hat!!!"

Thats what I see here... a few tweaks and they expect us all to fork over another $200 bucks.

Oh well.. perhaps next time around.

[Daved+]

LOL... big whoop.

Anyone remember that Simpsons episode about the Stacy dolls?

"She's got a new hat!!!"

Thats what I see here... a few tweaks and they expect us all to fork over another $200 bucks.

Oh well.. perhaps next time around.
haha... sad but true.

I would use the 3 PCI slots... I really need the extra PCI slot :(

[GRAFiZ]

haha... sad but true.

I would use the 3 PCI slots... I really need the extra PCI slot :(

True enough... I have the same problem, I either get to use my Sound Blaster or my IDE card.

So for now, the IDE wins out and I'm using on board sound... which sucks!!!

But, hardly a big deal for me.

[Vapor]

I would like better VTT stability....I have a feeling that it killed my Redline. I'd also like the added space between my cards if I do go SLI.

Who knows, maybe there's better OC and better performance now too?

[corvus_corax]

LOL... big whoop.

Anyone remember that Simpsons episode about the Stacy dolls?

"She's got a new hat!!!"

Thats what I see here... a few tweaks and they expect us all to fork over another $200 bucks.

Oh well.. perhaps next time around.
:lol:
Yep, Smithers says that in the Malibu Stacy vs Lisa episode, and then all childs (and Smithers) rush for the new doll. :lol:

Looks nice, in reality i need another PCI port for Audigy card. I have the others occupied for a PCI Parallel port and Wifi card, but well Karajan doesn't sound bad. On the other hand would be nice that about overclocking better than excelent means a VTT more stable or maybe a VTT control :)

We hope good price.

[Vapor]

VTT control....now that's an interesting idea. I wonder what it would do :confused:

VTT should be VDIMM/2, but I wonder what bumping it up or down would do for the RAM?

[corvus_corax]

Well would be nice. AFAIK, there are certain modules that perform better with a little offset in VTT signal. In mobos bases in ATI RX (like Sapphire Pure) there is a control for VTT.

[Harshal]

Hope its date is early...and also that it overclocks (without killing anythin) as good as current ones if not more. If I get lucky, I will get one with my 7800GT, Big Typhoon and Creative X-Fi (yeah I am gonna blow my savings), when I go to Singapore.

[wai-wai]

same thing as this it seems
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70116

yup ~~ :banana:
only the sata ports different~

[SamHughe]

By the way, that is one of the ugliest box designs I have ever seen. Looks like a work of a middle school age manga enthusiast.

[s7e9h3n]

wow :fact:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37461&stc=1
Yup, the nf4pro chipsets allow jumperless sli and raid5 is nothing new, it's on the current sli-dr ;)

[fareastgq]

the main thing is prob addressing the voltage issue

[kiwi]

Hmm, what is meant by "better than excellent" overclocking

From my experience current DFI NF4 has 10 out of 10.

:toast:

[NinjaWreck]

the main thing is prob addressing the voltage issue

I kinda like the NO SLI bridge, and not having to plug 15 different power cables into the board.

[Vapor]

They removed the molex, that's it. They replaced the 4pin with an 8pin connector.

[3NZ0]

Hmm, what is meant by "better than excellent" overclocking

From my experience current DFI NF4 has 10 out of 10.

:toast:

well then i think it means its is 12/10 for overclocking then. :)

i like this, will move to x2 when it comes out

does this run the nf chippy that has 2x 16 lane pci-e connectors for grfx?

[wai-wai]

well then i think it means its is 12/10 for overclocking then. :)

i like this, will move to x2 when it comes out

does this run the nf chippy that has 2x 16 lane pci-e connectors for grfx?

should be~ :p:

[Vapor]

It does absolutely not have 2x 16 lane pci-e. That requires the 2050 (or whatever it is called) in addition to the NF4Pro (2200), but there is clearly only one NB....not only that but it has been known for awhile that this is a refresh of the NF4SLI.

[wai-wai]

It does absolutely not have 2x 16 lane pci-e. That requires the 2050 (or whatever it is called) in addition to the NF4Pro (2200), but there is clearly only one NB....not only that but it has been known for awhile that this is a refresh of the NF4SLI.

omg.......... :(

http://www.tecnocomputer.it/prodotti/dettaglio.asp?id_prodotto=2505&id_categoria=8&id_sottocategoria=49

[wai-wai]

one more pic.....

:(

http://www.tecnocomputer.it/writable/foto/aggiuntive/prod_2505_3643.jpg

[skycrane]

Manageability DMI 2.0, WOL by PME; WOR by PME; PXE2 Boot
Excellent Over-clocking Capability Voltage tuning：Vdimm; Vnb; Vcore, Vht 1MHz frequency subtle tuning：Ffsb Adjustable CPU Multiplier :fact:

damn... looks nice, i wish they made one for an agp slot, some of us are still stuck in the stone age.... :banana:

[jetjaguar]

are they gonna include a 4pin to 8 pin adapter for the people who dont have a native 8 pin psu ?

[3NZ0]

are they gonna include a 4pin to 8 pin adapter for the people who dont have a native 8 pin psu ?

i think you can plug the p4 connector in the 8 pin socket, its just you wont to see the true overclocking "potential" of the new board

maby the placing of the cpu next to the power in might help in some manner?
there has to be a reason behind the revised layout

[GMX]

I suppose we all know that DFI scrapped the 3.3v and 5v option to source vdimm from.

BUT..

Will vdimm be sourced by 3.3v rail like in NF3 250gb or 5v rail in the DFI LP B?

[Harshal]

I think DFI did review the 4.0V situation. I hope that this refresh will be cooler one (possible 5V only) and provide a clear current. They have had more then 6 months to refresh this board and additional 3 months to "de-bug" it too. So chances are very rare of this board eating any RAM.

[jetjaguar]

looks like ill have to send pcp&c my psu so they can mod it to the 8 pin

[eliminate]

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?

[Vapor]

All OCZ and some Enermax do I think.

It won't be critical, they can make an adapter to make 4Pin + a molex or two (I think) into the 8Pin.

[TransNone13]

I cant wait!

[eliminate]

well I there will be reprocutions in using the pin converter. So I want to have an 8 pin unmodded PSU if I ever planned on getting this board.

[Scroatdog]

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?


My new Seasonic S12-600 has one. Just got done sleeving that particular rail. :banana:

[Grayskull]

Scaling VTT has increased overclocking margin anywhere between 0 and 10 MHz in my testing. It is module/CPU/board dependent. This is why having the flexibility there is useful...tune it for what you have.


Well would be nice. AFAIK, there are certain modules that perform better with a little offset in VTT signal. In mobos bases in ATI RX (like Sapphire Pure) there is a control for VTT.

[Vapor]

Good to know, thanks Grayskull.

[eva2000]

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?
my 2x 650W Silverstone PCI SLI psus have 8pin connectors http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=441

there's 8pin to 4pin adaptor as the 8pin is default (top right of pic)

http://fileshosts.com/psu/Silverstone/Silverstone650W/650W_12.JPG

http://fileshosts.com/psu/Silverstone/Silverstone650W/650W_07.JPG

http://fileshosts.com/psu/Silverstone/Silverstone650W/650W_24.JPG

same psu used by Shamino for record breaking 17k in 3dmark05 :)

[Vapor]

Looks like a very good PSU there--very capable for the upcoming DFI boards too. How much was it?

[eva2000]

In Australia to compare prices

850W PC Power Cooling SLI = AUD$680
700W Zippy = AUD$450-490
510W PC Power Cooling SLI = AUD$386
600W OCZ Powerstream = AUD$310-340
680W Thermaltake Purepower = AUD$245-255
650W Silverstone SLI = AUD$215-230
550W Antec Truepower 2.0 EPS12V = AUD$200
480W Antec Neopower = AUD$189

[mrlobber]

Hey, my PCP&C850SSI has the 8pin connector as well :D :banana:

I wonder though, whether DFI will again blame the users for "not using proper PSU" if people who don't own PSU's with native 8pin connectors will start experiencing weird problems with the boards :rolleyes: But we will see ;)

[k00lance]

I bought 2 for myself and 2 for other friends.
3 from newegg has both 4 pin and 8pin built in.
1 from other retail had 8 pin only and a 4pin converter

edit: meant 850SSI not the board.

[Scroatdog]

I want this board A S A P !

[ReelMonza]

We all want !

[wai-wai]

Hey, my PCP&C850SSI has the 8pin connector as well :D :banana:

I wonder though, whether DFI will again blame the users for "not using proper PSU" if people who don't own PSU's with native 8pin connectors will start experiencing weird problems with the boards :rolleyes: But we will see ;)

my Enermax 701ax do not have..... :(

[uOpt]

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?

My Seasonic SS 460s do.

[eliminate]

so pretty much everyone but me has the 8 pin :(

[jetjaguar]

:( no 8 pin here but pcp&c told me they could mod mine to have a 8 pin for 70 dollars

[Scroatdog]

:( no 8 pin here but pcp&c told me they could mod mine to have a 8 pin for 70 dollars

Dude, that's almost 10 bucks a wire! LOL

[uOpt]

You can buy 4-to-8 pin adapters.

Not as good as native but better than just plugging in the 4.

[NickS]

They also have molex to 8 pin converteers too =].

[VulgarHandle]

is there/will there be a non-sli new revision board?

[Scroatdog]

Haven't heard. Would be nice, as I have no plans to SLI anything. :nono:

[Enz0]

23200 yen
http://www.ocworks.com/images/mb_dfi_ut_nf4_sli_ex01_L.jpg
I don't have time to translate new info, so translation by Google.
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[Dani]

Is this board gonna take off cold bug?

[Vincentvega18]

imo this is just marketing, and im sure a lot of people will buy it. But theres a hype about fixing problems with the previous board??? thats a little odd seeing as they made mistakes the first time around.

[Dani]

The cold bug is the a64 chips silicon process and onboard ddr controller not the motherboard Dani ;)
But there is some mobos that can control cold bug, with some type of resistance you can adjust in BIOS
Heard from macci and The Stilt

[Dani]

I think that board they tested was engineer sample or something..
I was something with resistors you could tune in BIOS to avoid cold bug, hmm, gotta search that link later :)

[alpha0ne]

Looks like a nice upgrade to tide me over till late '06 ~ early '07 as long as I wont need to donate a kidney to afford it :)

Hey Mickey M I tend to agree with you regarding ppl losing h/ware, then blaming the board :rolleyes: , too many ppl not knowing quite as much about settup as they may say/think they have :fact:

[del_fuego]

From the first link in Enzo's post (#61) -

"Those where it is most interesting OC are story around memory. From the Danny person when a subject that comes up, " 4 putting the 512MB memory of the DDR400, it actualizes 2-2-2-5-1t timing ", you were surprised. This 512MB memory of the 2bank is that 4, in other words the 1t command is possible even with the 8bank."

Does this mean that 4 lots of 512mb ram is usable in 1t timing? Or have i misunderstood? It would be great if it does.

dEl.

[Mats]

Preorder in Sweden (october 8): http://www.overclockers.se/ItemInfo?itemId=52297730

[Harshal]

This is looking a marketing thing mostly but I really hope that they Fixed Volt problems along with making it a better overclocker. Wondering how many makers are refining their SLI boards??

[wai-wai]

is there/will there be a non-sli new revision board?

i would like to know 2~ :toast:
but i could not wait for...... :hump:

[Scroatdog]

I like the layout, the additional SATA ports, and the additional PCI slot. I'm just trying to visualize how/where to place some small fans over the PWMIC area since I'll be H20 cooling, and wanna keep those puppies cool.

[Enz0]

Does this mean that 4 lots of 512mb ram is usable in 1t timing? Or have i misunderstood? It would be great if it does.

dEl.
Yes.
Danny of the DFI Product Marketing section said so.
But, as MickeyMouse said, it's something very difficult and I don't know whether it is possible or not.

Latest PDF
http://www.ocworks.com/temp/LP_UT_nF4_SLI-DR_Expert.pdf

[cantankerous]

argh, still using the Sil 3114 chipset?! What happened the Promise one that was to be used?

[TransNone13]

Ditto argh!

[Scroatdog]

argh, still using the Sil 3114 chipset?! What happened the Promise one that was to be used?



WTF DFI!?!?!??!!? W T F ? :slapass: :nono:

[wai-wai]

23200 yen
http://www.ocworks.com/images/mb_dfi_ut_nf4_sli_ex01_L.jpg
I don't have time to translate new info, so translation by Google.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.livedoor.jp%2Focwork s%2Farchives%2F50066120.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&c2coff=1&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
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no expensive :party:

[uOpt]

Hm, no more Zalman CF7700 and using the right x16 slot...

[IvanAndreevich]

Martin Cracauer
Not like it's good anyway

[Enz0]

DFI NEWS
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Press/press_header_content_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&TITLE_ID=6330&LINKED_URL=arch390.jsp&SITE=US

[AlterBridge86]

alright - finally DFI has acknowledged this board! I heard in the other thread for this board someone mentioning a October 6th retail date...lets hope they're right!

[fareastgq]

I only want the dfi grouper board

[VulgarHandle]

My DFI wishlist

No onboard sound
No onboard LAN
Collective mosfets for active cooling(i.e. new ati chipset boards)
A non SLI version

that is all... for now...

[Scroatdog]

My DFI wishlist

No onboard sound
No onboard LAN
Collective mosfets for active cooling(i.e. new ati chipset boards)
A non SLI version

that is all... for now...


Me too. And add to that, FULL compatability with Seasonic power supplies!!

[eliminate]

Well I just checked and my Enermax Whisper II has the 8 pin connector with the 8 pin to 4 pin converter piece. Im so happy :D

[en4cer]

Me too. And add to that, FULL compatability with Seasonic power supplies!!


Wow, I didn't realize there were issues with Seasonic PSU's :confused:

Mine seems to work great.

[Scroatdog]

Issues for some... I've seen people report problems in DFI-Street about it, and the mods tell them "you should have gotten one from the approved list".

Well, if this board supposedly has its voltage problems corrected (whatever they were), I guess it will be a non-issue. Plus, I've got that snazzy 8 pin connector so I'm all set.

(still need to finish sleeving that damn thing. :hitself: )

[en4cer]

Issues for some... I've seen people report problems in DFI-Street about it, and the mods tell them "you should have gotten one from the approved list".

Well, if this board supposedly has its voltage problems corrected (whatever they were), I guess it will be a non-issue. Plus, I've got that snazzy 8 pin connector so I'm all set.

(still need to finish sleeving that damn thing. :hitself: )

Well, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones with no problems. I bought my Seasonic simply because of the bual PCI-E connectors and the 8-pin. I hope it will last me for a while.

[Scroatdog]

I've got my hope set high on this board. :fact:

[alpha0ne]

I've got my hope set high on this board. :fact:

Hey Scroats you and another hundred K too :fact:

[cantankerous]

why is everyone so excited about this 8 pin power connector? Didn't the original DFI NF4 boards also require this?

[\Karting_freak]

didn't get an idea...
my pcp&c 510w wont work with this mobo?

[Gogar]

If the Lan is in the NF4 chip anyways, why not use it? it would be a waste to not route it out... I have to agree that the second marvell PCI nic is a bit useless for anything serious. screw the PCI bus! Same with the extra sata ports.. it's totally useless for a serious raid array.. an 8 disk raid would in theory be capped to 266MB/s..
Assume one disk can pull 60MB/s
on the sil. you'd have 4 disks times 60MB/s = 240MB/s, but wait! it's capped to 133MB/s.. in a raid 0 all disks perform equally so the NF4 sata ports will be limped also to 133MB/s which means the theoretical limit for an 8 disk raid 0 is 266MB/s.

Now if the extra 4 sata ports were on PCI-e 2x or higher you would get something like 480MB/s out of an 8 disk raid 0 (60MB/s per disk).. quite a bit better, and would go up more with better performing disks.. unlike the sil. pci controller setup.

[Eldonko]

why is everyone so excited about this 8 pin power connector? Didn't the original DFI NF4 boards also require this?Nope

[deception``]

Out of curiosity, does the OCZ 520W support this 8-pin connector?

deception``

[xgman]

didn't get an idea...
my pcp&c 510w wont work with this mobo?


Nope. I sent mine in to PCPC for the 8 pin mod.

[AfterClock]

The mobo can operate with the 4pin plug also.
But it's better to use a 8pin a. power.

[xgman]

"The LANParty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert is scheduled to arrive in 2-3 weeks."

Sincerely,

Ming-Huey Jeng

[xgman]

The mobo can operate with the 4pin plug also.
But it's better to use a 8pin a. power.

But that really remains to be seen.

[Scroatdog]

"The LANParty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert is scheduled to arrive in 2-3 weeks."

Sincerely,

Ming-Huey Jeng


That's TOO LONG.

[AfterClock]

But that really remains to be seen.

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/7281/expert4kp.jpg

[cantankerous]

Hmmm I guess my OCZ 600w powerstream doesn't have this 8 pin power connector. It has a 24 pin power ATX connector (20 pin + 4 detachable) and the standard P4 connector unless this new board is using the 20 pin standard ATX with the extra 4 pin plus the P4 4 pin together to make 8 pin. I have no cable on my psu nor have I seen a power supply with a grouped together 2 x 4 pin or single 8 pin cable. Interesting.

[Sheik]

Strokes my OCZ520 WATT PSU ;)

[AlterBridge86]

Hmmm I guess my OCZ 600w powerstream doesn't have this 8 pin power connector. It has a 24 pin power ATX connector (20 pin + 4 detachable) and the standard P4 connector unless this new board is using the 20 pin standard ATX with the extra 4 pin plus the P4 4 pin together to make 8 pin. I have no cable on my psu nor have I seen a power supply with a grouped together 2 x 4 pin or single 8 pin cable. Interesting.

I have the 600W as well and we do have the 8 pin connector - i forget OCZ's name for it but its two four pins that connect - one is labeled P4, which is what we use now on DFI NF4, and then there is a P4+, as of yet unused, but the two of those go together and voila - we have 8 pin connector :)

[Tim]

I have the 600W as well and we do have the 8 pin connector - i forget OCZ's name for it but its two four pins that connect - one is labeled P4, which is what we use now on DFI NF4, and then there is a P4+, as of yet unused, but the two of those go together and voila - we have 8 pin connector :)

Yeah we do P4 + P4+ is 8pin connector :) BTX connector IIRC

[uOpt]

Out of curiosity, does the OCZ 520W support this 8-pin connector?

deception``

At least the one currently sold at monarch does.

[deception``]

At least the one currently sold at monarch does.

I later verified that my 2nd Powerstream (which I happened to buy from Monarch) does in fact support the 8-pin connection :toast:

deception``

[freecableguy]

The 8-pin power connector simply reduces the current load per wire by providing more paths for the amperage to travel along....THAT'S IT!...it does nothing to move more power into the board. It's a gimmick. As long as your PSU can supply the required wattage and the cables are made of quality wires there will be no reason to spend money to upgrade or buy something new. As you can see the pins on the header all go to the same point on the board. Power is power. Sheesh.

-FCG

[EnJoY]

The 8-pin power connector simply reduces the current load per wire by providing more paths for the amperage to travel along....THAT'S IT!...it does nothing to move more power into the board. It's a gimmick. As long as your PSU can supply the required wattage and the cables are made of quality wires there will be no reason to spend money to upgrade or buy something new. As you can see the pins on the header all go to the same point on the board. Power is power. Sheesh.

-FCG


Well said, glad you beat me to it.

[althes]

so where is the board

[ozzimark]

The 8-pin power connector simply reduces the current load per wire by providing more paths for the amperage to travel along....
thus reducing overall voltage drop at the connections. probably not by anything noticable, but hey, more traces on the board have to be worth something. i can't complain as my lowly 420w psu supports the 8 pin plug

[Eldonko]

All OCZ Powerstream CPUs have the 8 pin. They call it EPS12V 8 pin.

[IvanAndreevich]

Even the old 520W OCZ has it. It's closer to the PSU along the line from the regular 4-pin connector.

[\Karting_freak]

what 8pin PSU would you advise me to use?
looking for dual +12V (or quad), 8 pin...

[cantankerous]

wow thanks guys for clearing that up. While reading the above posts I Felt quite stupid as I had totally forgotten about the P4+ plug as I have never used it before and quicktly tucked it away. Correct that the powerstream does have it. Good job and thanks again.

[TransNone13]

what 8pin PSU would you advise me to use?
looking for dual +12V (or quad), 8 pin...

Well, the 850SSI has quad rails and an 8-pin connector.

[politenessman]

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?

the new sunbeamtech 550 has a native 8 pin. nvid sli cert and modular. swapped out my powerstream for it(thought the ocz was causing a booting issue) and getting somewhat better results, so far. got for less than $80.

very truly yours,
politenessman

3800@10x285 xp90
ultra d sli mod
2x512mb ocz gold 9/10
2x7800gt sli

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1253354

http://static.flickr.com/27/47904200_04291c83a0_o.jpg

[\Karting_freak]

trans
that is 430$.. never +)

[BRiT]

what 8pin PSU would you advise me to use?
looking for dual +12V (or quad), 8 pin...

The Enermax Noisetaker 701 series has 8pins as well, and comes with a 8pin-to-4pin convertor to use on older boards. It also has dual +12V rails, is SLI certified, and on the DFI A-List of PSUs.

[\Karting_freak]

brit
tnks! i'll go and find some info about it...

[eva2000]

As long as your PSU can supply the required wattage and the cables are made of quality wires there will be no reason to spend money to upgrade or buy something new. hehe coming from a guy who bought 2x 7800GTX for their heatsinks :D

[Harshal]

Does anyone have exact "pukka" dates for this one?? I am really eager to see how it does with OCing. With more then Six months in hand they must have tweaked and upgraded every part of it. Man no jumpers to change and have one of the best options to juice out every lil mhz... I think its very tempting...hope its out soon and with not much of price hike...so I can get into the DFI OC Club :)

[s7e9h3n]

Does anyone have exact "pukka" dates for this one?? I am really eager to see how it does with OCing. With more then Six months in hand they must have tweaked and upgraded every part of it. Man no jumpers to change and have one of the best options to juice out every lil mhz... I think its very tempting...hope its out soon and with not much of price hike...so I can get into the DFI OC Club :)
If "pukka"="release" date - OCTOBER 15 ;)

[elec999]

I wish this board, had both sata controllers supporting sataII raid5, and also since this is a new release, they should have upgraded to 16 lanes pcie for each video card, and leave more space to fit the xp120 without taking up the first ram slot.
Thanks

[VulgarHandle]

yeah, i wish they'd just go ahead and release the 'perfect motherboard', tired of waiting on one :dammit:

[dinos22]

If "pukka"="release" date - OCTOBER 15 ;)
14th in Australia for retailer stock....that's 13th in your neck of the woods.........i guess i'll be one of the first guinnea pigs and get it first :rolleyes:

fingers crossed it works with Opteron :)

i'd really like to see some reviews b4 it hits retail......you guys know of any

[wai-wai]

The Enermax Noisetaker 701 series has 8pins as well, and comes with a 8pin-to-4pin convertor to use on older boards. It also has dual +12V rails, is SLI certified, and on the DFI A-List of PSUs.

why my one has not ?!? :slobber: :slobber:

[BRiT]

why my one has not ?!? :slobber: :slobber:

I just ordered my Noisetaker a week or so ago from NewEgg. However, it had this single page flyer update included with the manual. It reads:




Notification

Dearest User,
Thanks for choosing Enermax power supply, due to specification updated, we have made engineering change on 535W / 600W power supply to All in One to meet ATX 12V V2.01 / EPS 12V and BTX. Regarding text in the manual has not been updated, therefore, in this sheet we would like to clarify the output cables detail for your reference.

For below 535W / 600W models only
Noisetaker: EG701AX-VE(W)
FMA: EG65P-VE / EG565AX-VE(W) / EG565AX-VE(G)
Coolergiant: EG565AX-VH(W) / EG701AX-VH(W)

Illustrations for O/P Connectors and adaptor come in the accessory kit
I. Illustration for O/P Connectors
[diagram]

II. Illustration for Processor Power to 12V power adaptor
[diagram]


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37804

[AgentVX]

I just ordered my Noisetaker a week or so ago from NewEgg. However, it had this single page flyer update included with the manual.

It's been like that since I got mine in July. Probably for a while before that too.

[Dani]

MM!

ATI's (crossfire) reference motherboard have in BIOS adjustable drive strenght resistor's, with those option you can forget cold bug ;)

[wai-wai]

I just ordered my Noisetaker a week or so ago from NewEgg. However, it had this single page flyer update included with the manual. It reads:



http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37804


oh my god~~~~ my one just ATX 12V V2.0 :eh:

EG701AX-VE(W)

[dinos22]

ATI's (crossfire) reference motherboard have in BIOS adjustable drive strenght resistor's, with those option you can forget cold bug ;)
so do you think DFI will finally fix the colt boot issue with Expert or not :confused:

[mrlobber]

ATI's (crossfire) reference motherboard have in BIOS adjustable drive strenght resistor's, with those option you can forget cold bug ;)

NO CPU cold bug on them??? :shock2: :shocked:

[Vapor]

Dani, do you mean no cold bug or no cold boot problem? BIG difference but both are VERY appreciated!!

[mrlobber]

Dani, do you mean no cold bug or no cold boot problem? BIG difference but both are VERY appreciated!!

The first you mentioned would be especially welcome ;)

[Dani]

Dani, do you mean no cold bug or no cold boot problem? BIG difference but both are VERY appreciated!!
"adjustable drive strenght resistor's" <--what do you think I mean??
..and I know difference between cold BOOT and cold BUG ;)

[dinos22]

"adjustable drive strenght resistor's" <--what do you think I mean??
..and I know difference between cold BOOT and cold BUG ;)
i thought that the cold BUG was a CPU issue....can you let us laymen know what you mean by "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" and how they prevent the cold bug from happening......

[mrlobber]

"adjustable drive strenght resistor's" <--what do you think I mean??

I have a few ideas but I'd better keep them to myself so that I didn't say something stupid :D


ATI's (crossfire) reference motherboard have in BIOS adjustable drive strenght resistor's, with those option you can forget cold bug


..and I know difference between cold BOOT and cold BUG ;)

For the especially blind people (like me) once more: so does that mean, that on the upcoming Halibut ATI boards, you can put the 90nm A64 CPUs under LN2 and not to worry about cold bug anymore? :banana:

[Dani]

I dont know, I just try to say that The Stilt has tested an ATI Crossfire reference mobo..

If I dont remember very wrong, The Stilt tested an CPU with cold bug and it did'nt OC at all with, hmm, cascade? CO2? LN2?
Then he tested this ATI CF mobo and same thing, hard cold bug, but in BIOS he found "adjustable drive strenght resistor's" (I dont know if it writes/translates like that) and CPU OC like hell after that "found"
No cold bug :)

That's why I asked if someone know if DFI's crossfire mobo has these adjustable resisance's optios in BIOS, if they have so I think cold bug is history :fact:

[dinos22]

I dont know, I just try to say that The Stilt has tested an ATI Crossfire reference mobo..
have you got a link for this review

[Vapor]

Interesting, so it was about more voltage to the mem controller in the end....

It's tough to imagine that a simple change in resistance could overcome it completely though--but I'll take whatever it's got :D

[Dani]

have you got a link for this review
He posted it to Finnish forum for long ago and 2days ago, not an review

[dinos22]

He posted it to Finnish forum for long ago and 2days ago, not an review
this is big news Dani

you should translate this sucker and post it here cause that is going to grab a lot of attention among extreme OCers

[AfterClock]

* cross fingers* if that's happening...
man...gotta get that "rockin'" first week winnie out :D

[Harshal]

If "pukka"="release" date - OCTOBER 15 ;)
:)
You guys dont know much of Hindi for sure...well it means Sure/Definite in a way.. . Lets see if Singapore gets it by then or not, as I am gonna be there on 17 and get back by 25th of this month. So keeping my hopes high for now.

Anyways thanks man. Cheers!

[s7e9h3n]

:)
You guys dont know much of Hindi for sure...well it means Sure/Definite in a way.. . Lets see if Singapore gets it by then or not, as I am gonna be there on 17 and get back by 25th of this month. So keeping my hopes high for now.

Anyways thanks man. Cheers!
Hehe...OK, when's the last time you met a Chinese person that could speak Hindi.... :p:

[revlimiter9000]

I emailed DFI regarding their Expert mobo and this is the response I received.

Dear Customer
Thank you for your attention on the press release of our new DFI expert motherboard. First of all, we must say DFI has long term good relationships with both onboard RAID manufacturers; it is difficult to compare both main stream onboard RAID chipset manufacturers. Because both manufacturers provide good onboard RAID solution to end users. However if you really want us to come out with an answer, one of the main reasons we are choosing Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip on our NF4 series is because it carries what we think, a "better" onboard RAID solution for our customers. If we compare Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip with Promise Technology R20378 RAID controller, clearly you can find both controllers come with RAID 0, 1, 0+1. However Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip comes with an extra (software) RAID 5.
This value added function has its market popularity, you can find this chipset
not only used on our DFI NF4 series but also many well known motherboard
manufacturers (correlated information can be easily found by using any searching engine on the Internet). We understand there are varies reasons you can have in mind to believe Promise Technology has better onboard RAID controllers, we respect you opnions, you opnions are important to us. However our products have its missions to satisfy market's demands as well as bring the best value and quality to our customer. Use Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip on our DFI NF4 series and products in the near future is a better solution to our customers.

To find more the information about Silicon Image Sil 3114 chip, please visit
its official website: http://www.siliconimage.com

We hope to gain more understand to our customers who care about our
latest products development so much just like you by sharing our points of view and how we always insist on provide best value and quality to our dear
customers. Please write to us if there are more opinions you would like to share with us. We will be more than keep our ears wild open to listen to your valuable opnions.

I don't know if you guys/gals already knew this or not but I thought that it would be informative.

[Scroatdog]

Thanks.

Very informative, though not informative enough to tell us exactly when they're gonna hit the shelves!!!! I've heard Oct 15th but I don't think that's concrete.

[revlimiter9000]

You're welcome. I tried to get more info from them but that's all they sent me. :( I'm sure the Ultra-d's are good but with so many people saying that they're having problems it's kinda making me rethink...... I hope the expert has fixed it's issues. Althought I would have been really happy if DFI would have use the promise chipset. I guess you can't win em' all. :banana:

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Someone let us know as soon as any reviews of this board are found please :)

[cantankerous]

judging by the picture does anything think you would be able to fit a Swiftech MCX-159 on the northbridge for cooling? I have one here from my Nf2 board that I would love to use again if it would fit. A copper variant is available now as well.

[s7e9h3n]

judging by the picture does anything think you would be able to fit a Swiftech MCX-159 on the northbridge for cooling? I have one here from my Nf2 board that I would love to use again if it would fit. A copper variant is available now as well.
Hehehe...how bout on a current DFI? :p:
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/958/swifty4su.jpg

[cantankerous]

oh :banana::banana::banana::banana:, no way! Cant use the fan I take it? I would never be able to do this as I have the ATI Silencer on card covering the chipset sink completely. The new revision seems to have more space to accomodate. How are the temps witht he 159 in comparison to the stock fan? Thanks for the picture however, very interesting.

I also see you don't have the molex plugged into the board. You find the board still runs fine this way?

[Ugly n Grey]

Interesting, I always viewed Silicone Image as the bargain basement solution, in fact I still do, their stuff is super cheap and doesn't match up performance wise to the competition. I think it's become so wide spread though that using it allows people to migrate their RAID stripes from other Mobos with little performance problems.

The so called RAID 5 they implemented has no separate XOR engine for calculations, so that load goes on the CPU as well. In fact I bet M$ soft raid 5 is better/more easily migrated.

Anyhow, Sil RAID will never be a selling point for me, I might buy a board despite it's presence and just turn it off.

UnG

[cantankerous]

well it was rumoured that the promise variant was to be used on the new revision. There is even pictures of the board with the promise chip but at the last minute they seem to have changed this.

[Scroatdog]

well it was rumoured that the promise variant was to be used on the new revision. There is even pictures of the board with the promise chip but at the last minute they seem to have changed this.


Im sure it had nothing(everything) to do with $$$

[cantankerous]

In the end I don't see how as the end user ends up paying for any inflated costs anyhow. DFI should know people are going to buy their boards regardless so what is an extra $5 if that for a different and better sata chipset?

[s7e9h3n]

oh :banana::banana::banana::banana:, no way! Cant use the fan I take it? I would never be able to do this as I have the ATI Silencer on card covering the chipset sink completely. The new revision seems to have more space to accomodate. How are the temps witht he 159 in comparison to the stock fan? Thanks for the picture however, very interesting.

I also see you don't have the molex plugged into the board. You find the board still runs fine this way?
Nope, can't use the stock fan, but I can use the fan outta my crystal orb chipset cooler. It's basically a frameless 40mm? fan and I can mount it on the swifty's side. If I had my camera with me, I'd take a pic, but I don't. Temps are MUCH better than stock. For awhile, I was thinking that this solution wasn't as good as my spire chipset cooler, but after giving the spire a go again, this one is better hands down.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure that the next dfi doesn't have a promise controller, or I would have heard about it through a contact @ Promise Tech

EDIT: I forgot to add, yes I run without any of the extra connectors since I'm using a single card. When the extra plugs are utilized, they end up harming performance more than helping.... ;)

[Harshal]

I am not sure but, too bad as Expert may have been delayed by a week or two. Chief "Oskar" may want to have a final look it seems.

[s7e9h3n]

I am not sure but, too bad as Expert may have been delayed by a week or two. Chief "Oskar" may want to have a final look it seems.
Hmmmm, I didn't hear about that. OPB talked to Oskar just last week and eta was still ~Oct.15....

[cantankerous]

weird cause here in canada at ncix.com it is available to order now. Ships within 2 days.

[TransNone13]

NCIX is lying. I "ordered" it too. It says 2-5 days, but I think that's bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. The marketing guy said 2-3weeks.

[jermaink]

Although this board isn't really revolutionary, it does seem like a good refresh product.

I like the wider space between the graphics card PCIe slots, because it looks like I could fit 2 graphics cards with an Arctic Cooling Silencer (or Zalman VF700) for better & quieter cooling.

Also, the placement of the northbridge looks like I could replace the chipset HSF with a Zalman NB47J, to eliminate that siren noise on bootup. Anyone know/think that putting a NB47J would still be too big to fit with graphics cards in both (upper looks potentially problematic) slots?

I wonder though abou the placement of the CPU. I know that many new cases have their exhausts, both rear and top, near the top-back of a case and I'm wondering whether the top-front placement of the CPU in this design would affect temperatures.

The 8 pin power connector could potentially be a compatibility problem for many PSUs. Can anyone confirm that Seasonic S12 600W PSUs have the 8 pin connector?

Finally, I hope they sorted out the issues which they had with the previous boards. Such as compatibility/overclocking with Corsair RAM, and the hit and miss success with Seasonic S12 power supplies. If they can achieve these things, then this board will be the benchmark until a new chipset series is released.

[tomati]

S12 has well the 8pin connector , but be aware about the boot trouble they have with the old nf4 design , don't know if this one has been resolved that but I hope so because I have the s12 500w .

[FireDragon]

one more pic.....

:(

http://www.tecnocomputer.it/writable/foto/aggiuntive/prod_2505_3643.jpg


That is the SAME exact board as the CF board that they are cooming oiut with same mem placment and spacing and all the only diff is the nb on them and the bios that is kinda cheap same VTT voltage regs and all...

Dragon

[Eldonko]

NCIX is lying. I "ordered" it too. It says 2-5 days, but I think that's bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. The marketing guy said 2-3weeks.NCIX always skus stuff super early. I guess it is smart on their part to secure some pre orders but don't expect to get anything from them before anywhere else. Last time I pre ordered from there, it was shipped a week after several other stores had the product in stock.

[TransNone13]

Lol, thanks for the heads up. I'll probably cancel soon.

[Lood007]

I wish oskar would come back to the boards. Haven't seen him in a while.

[mrlobber]

same VTT voltage regs and all...

Do you think these boards will suffer from the VTT tracking problems (like the original DFI nF4) as well?

[J-Mag]

Interesting, I always viewed Silicone Image as the bargain basement solution,

:lol: Freudian Slip?

Sounds like a great name for a Strip Club actually.

[Tony]

Regarding cold bugs and drive strength resistors, there is a lot you guys do not know. I posted bios pics of the ati reference boards a while back and it showed 7 levels of dram drive. The reason for 7 levels is to accomodate from strong drive to weak drive with various levels inbetween.

Reason for this

As you chill the cpu the memory controller drive strength increases, so the colder it gets the more you over drive the memory. So you have to weaken the drive to the ram....weaker drive= higher fsb at colder temps.

Im working on a new article that will explain just what is happening wth the new breed of motherboard and why they clock ram so well etc.
Just adding juice to get a higher overclock really does not cut it any more, the science of overclocking got a whole lot more complex in the past 18 months and the results of these new motherboards is the huge ram clocks you are seeing now.

PS it helped AMD put the MCH on the cpu die also a little ;)

[Tony]

That is the SAME exact board as the CF board that they are cooming oiut with same mem placment and spacing and all the only diff is the nb on them and the bios that is kinda cheap same VTT voltage regs and all...

Dragon

I don't see oskar making the same mistake twice..i will have a board soon and will measure it.

[tomati]

I don't see oskar making the same mistake twice..i will have a board soon and will measure it.


I hope so , waiting for your test.

[zoom314]

23200 yen
http://www.ocworks.com/images/mb_dfi_ut_nf4_sli_ex01_L.jpg

No wonder I didn't see the 8pin power connector, It's in Black on a Black motherboard next to the 24pin connector. :brick:

On the subject of 8pin power supplies, SuperMicro has a 645w psu with a 24, 8 and 4 pin connector and +12v @ 46Amps, It's a psu that SM recommends at the very least for My H8DCE motherboard and in November I'm getting one for either $105.08 or $128.94 delivered. I currently have an eg651p-ve fm(550w, +12v @ 36Amps) Enermax and It has all 3 connectors too. :slobber: :slobber: And I have $40.00 all saved to help get It next month. :banana:

[mrlobber]

guys check zipzooomfly in the USA they finally have the new ati crossfire boards listed officaly. So could be ready to ship at any time.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246501
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246500


Still can't figure out, what's the difference between the two boards (except that one is named Lanparty whereas the other - Lanparty UT)? :shrug: And what about the rumored CF-BT (bigtoe :p: ) board? Was that just a joke or what?

[Scroatdog]

Since they have the 8-pin power connector, why the hell is there still a floppy connector on the board????? Or do you guys think that's just a fan header??

[eva2000]

Since they have the 8-pin power connector, why the hell is there still a floppy connector on the board????? Or do you guys think that's just a fan header??
maybe even more extra power for those cascade folks who want to shove enough volts down AMD64 cpus to hit 4ghz hehe

[revenant]

if this board had a creative SB live 24bit chip on it (vs their Kajan-whatever chip) then it would be the ultimate mobo... in my speculation. :) I like the request for a collected MOSFET config for better active cooling also... anyways, I am so sick of my MSI neo4... damn voltages are so whacked out on it... I am jumping ship to this expert series DFI SLI DR board, just been waiting for it to come out. Very soon now! yeah! :D

[revenant]

guys check zipzooomfly in the USA they finally have the new ati crossfire boards listed officaly. So could be ready to ship at any time.

To bad no mastercards for ATI at all so no crossfire :(
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246501
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246500
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/images/Enlarge_image/large/246501_A.jpg

"ZipZoomFly Part#: 246501
Lead Time: Out of Stock
Manufacturer: DFI
Manufacturer SKU: LANPARTY RDX200 CF-DR
Our Price: $280.00"
Well - they're already sold out, no crossfire for most anyone. lol

[jermaink]

I disagree about the integrated SB Live making the board an 'ultimate' board. For good sound, people will get a stand alone card like the cheapest X-Fi, which would kill the SB Live.

[dinos22]

who cares about sound what's going on with availability.....even Tony (Bigtoe) hasn't seen it yet.....that can't be good :slapass:

[Dani]

Is this board gonna take off cold bug?
I quote my self now...
So, how is it?
I readed BT's post but did'nt find any answer to my question :confused:

[da-key]

Thank you DFI .. He he

I could care less about the silicon image. Lets hope the ddr volts dont sway around like Tarzan in the Jungle. I was tossing this or the Crossfire board around, Expert takes it as ATI gets a pass for the first run on Crossfire.

Expert at DFI's site!! (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=3872&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=US)

Lets hope the egg gets this soon. Or maybe even Microcenter.

[\Karting_freak]

any shop has this in stock?

[Ub3r-L33ch]

They have it at ncix.com:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16282&vpn=LANPARTY-UT-NF4-SLI-DR-EXPERT&manufacture=DFI

I need newegg to get it so I can try my plan to build my new $1200 setup with bill me later feature :)

[zoom314]

They have it at ncix.com:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16282&vpn=LANPARTY-UT-NF4-SLI-DR-EXPERT&manufacture=DFI

I need newegg to get it so I can try my plan to build my new $1200 setup with bill me later feature :)

Here It's at their USA website for $213.85 DFI LANParty UT NF4 SLI-DR Expert Motherboard (http://www.us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16282&vpn=LANPARTY-UT-NF4-SLI-DR-EXPERT&manufacture=DFI&nocookie=1&membership=0).

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Anyone ever figure out if this board will have SLI X16?

[Lood007]

Anyone ever figure out if this board will have SLI X16?
Same SLI config as before.
Same chipset.

[cupra]

Anyone ever figure out if this board will have SLI X16?

Each x16 slot operates at x8 bandwidth. When the graphics cards are connected
via the SLI bridge, the total bandwidth of the two graphics cards is x16.

[revenant]

I disagree about the integrated SB Live making the board an 'ultimate' board. For good sound, people will get a stand alone card like the cheapest X-Fi, which would kill the SB Live.

that depends on what you are doing with it.. if you just have it hooked to a simple gaming surround speaker set, like the X530 or something, the Xfi would be a waste of $$ imo... the SB live24 bit is a very decent sound solution... and I value not having to slap extra cards in my case... but that's me... as always, imo :)

Plus it would block part of my rad i that last top (BTX config) slot. doh!

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Each x16 slot operates at x8 bandwidth. When the graphics cards are connected
via the SLI bridge, the total bandwidth of the two graphics cards is x16.

I'm talking about this:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2493

The new ASUS board is supposed to have it.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

that depends on what you are doing with it.. if you just have it hooked to a simple gaming surround speaker set, like the X530 or something, the Xfi would be a waste of $$ imo... the SB live24 bit is a very decent sound solution... and I value not having to slap extra cards in my case... but that's me... as always, imo :)

Plus it would block part of my rad i that last top (BTX config) slot. doh!

Yeah thats one of my concerns with this board, I dont know if I can get my SB Audigy 2ZS high enough on the PCI slots to clear my Iwaki Pump, Its pretty damn big.

[Lood007]

I'm talking about this:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2493

The new ASUS board is supposed to have it.


its a different chipset altogether.
has 2 'bridges'
a true NB and a SB.
and also supports a full 16 lanes per PCI-E port when in SLI... not that you'd need it anyways.

[TransNone13]

Remember, socket M2 is next year. I wouldn't buy the 16x SLI simply because by the time games used it, it'll be on the newest platform.

[s7e9h3n]

Remember, socket M2 is next year. I wouldn't buy the 16x SLI simply because by the time games used it, it'll be on the newest platform.
Hehee....well expect to be waiting until the end of next year until there's a M2 platform for regular end-users.
BTW, I stated that OPB talked to Oskar last week and eta was mid Oct. Well, OPB spoke again to him a couple of days ago and now it's looking like the board's gonna be delayed ~1 month. :(

[cantankerous]

lol. Never ends does it. Same routine with every board release.

[zoom314]

Since they have the 8-pin power connector, why the hell is there still a floppy connector on the board????? Or do you guys think that's just a fan header??

On the fdd, Simple some people still use It to help flash their Bios, I mean unless DFI does It from Windows on the hdd now? :cool:

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Hehee....well expect to be waiting until the end of next year until there's a M2 platform for regular end-users.
BTW, I stated that OPB talked to Oskar last week and eta was mid Oct. Well, OPB spoke again to him a couple of days ago and now it's looking like the board's gonna be delayed ~1 month. :(

Which board is going to be delayed 1 month? This one? I thought it was already for sale at ncix.

[20AEGTI]

Not saying it will happen or that it won't but this is the reply I got from www.ncix.com about the pre-ordering of the SLi-DR Expert. Hopefully it will be there. If not I am not hurting for it anyway but would be nice.



Your order will be in stock at our warehouse @ oct 17.
Thanks for waiting and choosing NCIX.COM.
========================
Wayne Cao
Ncix.com/ Netlink Computer Inc
1-877-624-9777 Ext.6000
or 604-288-8080 ext. 6000
http://www.ncix.com

[J-Mag]

On the fdd, Simple some people still use It to help flash their Bios, I mean unless DFI does It from Windows on the hdd now? :cool:

USB bootable thumb drive is the way to go anyway...

[Lood007]

On the fdd, Simple some people still use It to help flash their Bios, I mean unless DFI does It from Windows on the hdd now? :cool:
I think the quote you replied to was saying that if there was an 8 pin power connector, then why did the board still have a floppy power connector on it for power input.

[TransNone13]

Hehee....well expect to be waiting until the end of next year until there's a M2 platform for regular end-users.
BTW, I stated that OPB talked to Oskar last week and eta was mid Oct. Well, OPB spoke again to him a couple of days ago and now it's looking like the board's gonna be delayed ~1 month. :(


I don't think so. The ETA is Oct. 17th.

[freecableguy]

*waits patiently* (but not too patiently) *remembers ATI and their crappy launches* grumble, grumble.... :mad:

[revenant]

USB bootable thumb drive is the way to go anyway...

I love my USB external floppy for the occational bios flash... :)

[s7e9h3n]

I don't think so. The ETA is Oct. 17th.
Check again it says ETA which translates to ESTIMATED Time of Arrival. That was the original release date for the board. So you're saying that you'd believe ncix.com more than the person who designed this board (Oscar Wu)? :rolleyes:

[zoom314]

I think the quote you replied to was saying that if there was an 8 pin power connector, then why did the board still have a floppy power connector on it for power input.
Quite possibly, I looked at the one video slot near the rear of the motherboard(after You mentioned It) and noticed what looks like either a fan header or a fdd power connector.

It's definately a sweet motherboard and on My list now. :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

[mrlobber]

Damn, it seems I just sold my trusty (but VTT unstable) DFI nF4 too early? :cussing:

[zoom314]

Here's an image from a different angle.

http://staff.bit-tech.net/tim/LP-UT-nF4-SLI-DR-Expert-sid.jpg

[zoom314]

USB bootable thumb drive is the way to go anyway...

Nice, But I don't have any use for one. :( I'm used to fdd's anyway and I have a few floppies around here.

[jermaink]

One of the things which annoyed me about the Ultra-D/SLI-DR is that the chipset fan was a damn siren whenever I boot the computer up.

What do people think about the compatibility of replacing the chipset fan of the Expert with a Zalman NB47J heatsink, or a like heatsink, while using both of the graphics card slots (with coolers like a Arctic Cooling Silencer or Zalman VF700)?

[TransNone13]

No, I don't think NCIX is right at all. BUT I'm trying to be optomistic. I've been waiting since the beginning of September :(.

[tomati]

One of the things which annoyed me about the Ultra-D/SLI-DR is that the chipset fan was a damn siren whenever I boot the computer up.

What do people think about the compatibility of replacing the chipset fan of the Expert with a Zalman NB47J heatsink, or a like heatsink, while using both of the graphics card slots (with coolers like a Arctic Cooling Silencer or Zalman VF700)?

If you plan for the NB47J , take the vf700 , it will provide you the needed air flow for a good cooling but you will run it at full as the nf4 seems to run really hot when o/c.

[jermaink]

Would the VF700 be any better than the Silencer for cooling? Or just for the better fit? I've got a AC Silencer ATI 5.2 on a X800XL and am getting idle temps of 34C and load temps of 52C, but I'd presume that a NB47J would need to be trimmed to fit with the Silencer.

With the Ultra-D, the chipset fan would seem to block a Silencer on the 1st slot pretty badly, but would be kinder to a card & silencer in the 2nd slot. How does the Expert compare in this regard? It looks like you're only getting a little bit more space than with an Ultra-D.

[Scroatdog]

..........and now it's looking like the board's gonna be delayed ~1 month. :(



DAMN those guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want it NOW !!!!!!!! :slapass:

[cupra]

DAMN those guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want it NOW !!!!!!!! :slapass:


same :slobber:

but we will need to wait a little bit ...

[tomati]

I hope we will not wait for nothing (not the same story as the crappy nf3 ultra-d)

[raydelee]

is this mobo using the same bios as dfi ultra-d sli

[cupra]

is this mobo using the same bios as dfi ultra-d sli

good one.
its look like that, in DFI website there is no driver for the expert...

[cantankerous]

is this mobo using the same bios as dfi ultra-d sli

I hope so unless they are adding to the bios. I am quite happy with it the way it is and would hate to see things changed unless it was for the best or even options missing. More options is always a good thing though. Perhaps video card overclocking via bios like the MSI and gigabyte boards have. That would be sweet.

[mrlobber]

lmfao ATI is all talk!! they say the green guys are scared, but how can they be scared when ATI can't even market a product on time.

As I understood, the SLI-DR Expert is delayed, not the DFI Crossfire board ;)

[dinos22]

BTW, I stated that OPB talked to Oskar last week and eta was mid Oct. Well, OPB spoke again to him a couple of days ago and now it's looking like the board's gonna be delayed ~1 month. :(damn......1 month delay .........so mid-Nov........... :(

[TransNone13]

When is that Asus mobo supposed to come out?

[tomati]

is this mobo using the same bios as dfi ultra-d sli


probably not , because of the new ram voltage circuit , maybe I'm wrong, but they will provide the same settings at least.

[kimandsally]

damn......1 month delay .........so mid-Nov........... :(

Better to get it right so we don't have trouble though :toast:

[dinos22]

Better to get it right so we don't have trouble though :toast:
i agree but if this is true it's a bit disappointing that there is such a big delay.....

[zoom314]

Yeah, I'd rather have a delay than have an imperfect motherboard. :)

[Vapor]

I'm with you man....but in the same breath, I'd go for the CF-DR (available VERY soon) before that if it performs well with my GTX!

[VulgarHandle]

yeah, but is a 1 month delay due to a glitch found so late in the game?

[Psyche911]

Anyone else starting to wonder what's the point if M2 is still coming out in Q1 '06? If this hits in November, the longest until M2 (assuming Q1 is correct) is 4 months. :(

[revenant]

Well - I am planning my upgrade to the DFI for the end of Novmeber anyways, so this might just all work out... Anyone know if pre-orders are available?

[Lithan]

Meh, I'm getting the old rev. Nice changes, but not worth waiting for and who knows if it will clock any better, or possibly even worse like abit and epox's later rev boards tend to.

[revenant]

I doubt it will be a dud or anything... sounds like they are taking their time with it and get it done "right" (by the delay in shipping).. or that could mean it's troubled also, I guess. lol. oi!

Anyways, I am so liking that wider gap between the 16x lanes... I can use a full height maze4 on gpu0 now, which means full size memory sinks on the chips under the coolant feed barbs.

[Scroatdog]

Well, they aren't getting it all completely right. They abandoned the Promise RAID controller they were initially going with for another Silicon Image.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I've been waiting to start this rig for some time. I may just say to hell with it and get tha Epox board.

[revenant]

that is true... that kind of sucks actually... the SI is so-so... and not using the NF4 raid is less overhead on the chipset, which I kind of like.. I have been using the SI controller on my neo4 and it has a problem with large files... I have to decode DVDs in 900meg segments to avoid BSOD issues... anyways... sorry OT.

[deception``]

Well, they aren't getting it all completely right. They abandoned the Promise RAID controller they were initially going with for another Silicon Image.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I've been waiting to start this rig for some time. I may just say to hell with it and get tha Epox board.

Believe it or not, but most people could care less about the secondary RAID controller. The fact of the matter is that DFI has used Silicon Image for quite some time, and that has not deterred many from purchasing in the past.

deception``

[Ferry82]

Anyone else starting to wonder what's the point if M2 is still coming out in Q1 '06? If this hits in November, the longest until M2 (assuming Q1 is correct) is 4 months. :(

Socket M2 is coming in Q2 2006 :fact:

[dinos22]

and the way DFI is going we'll be getting the boads in Q3

[Rolle2k]

and the way DFI is going we'll be getting the boads in Q3

And if it was sapphire, it would probably be Q4 ;)
how damn long we have to wait sometimes... Anyway, i don't think i will rush for Socket M2 when it comes out.. often the first boards are very buggy.

[Revv23]

And if it was sapphire, it would probably be Q4 ;)
how damn long we have to wait sometimes... Anyway, i don't think i will rush for Socket M2 when it comes out.. often the first boards are very buggy.


honestly, when did sapphire release grouper, two months ago now?

its too bad as i would have been all over grouper had it been available on release, now im waiting for the CF BT

[Vapor]

Why the BT? The DR will be out VERY shortly and will be better (although it looks like it might cost a crapload--that's still not 100% positive though).

[Scroatdog]

Believe it or not, but most people could care less about the secondary RAID controller. The fact of the matter is that DFI has used Silicon Image for quite some time, and that has not deterred many from purchasing in the past.

deception``


Got no dispute with that, bro. But leaked prototype pics (leaked by DFI??? prob) had the Promise on it, and now it's gone. That is why the rant.

[zoom314]

Yeah I'd rather have the DR too, Sapphires Grouper was being held hostage by ATI and now We see It again with No Crossfire cards or motherboards, Definately a paper launch. ATI needs more foundry capacity to make the chips most likely. ATI isn't a bad company nor are their Cards mind You, Although My noisy neighbor might be a bit bad, Besides She's not My type.

[Psyche911]

Could someone tell me the difference between CF / BT / DR? I don't know which ones which.

[tomati]

Could someone tell me the difference between CF / BT / DR? I don't know which ones which.

For what I read the CF-DR has the dfi design (same as the nf4 expert which has been designed by oscar wu )with a 6 layer PCB when the CF-BT has the ati design with a 4 layer PCB.

corect me if I'm wrong.

[Vapor]

I think you're right....the BT is named after BigToe and will likely be very good with memory compatibility and performace!! (not that the DR will be bad or anything :D)

[alpha0ne]

Hmm might have to just go for the DR board then, cant wait another month and even though there are some very good/VERY cheap boards that will do a fill in role, in the end I/Me/Anyone am not satisfied with the cheap alternatives (and some that are not so cheap :( )

[Revv23]

the CF BT is the reference halibut design (the one that usually gets better cpu clocks then the dfi's)

combined with oscar's memory trace tweaks, and all of the mosfets are in one spot for active cooling.


i fully expect it to kick ass, and be superior to the DR, which is why i am waiting for it.

[knob]

Wicked. I want one too. I wonder what i am going to do with my old Ultra-D board

[MonkSP]

the CF BT is the reference halibut design (the one that usually gets better cpu clocks then the dfi's)

combined with oscar's memory trace tweaks, and all of the mosfets are in one spot for active cooling.


i fully expect it to kick ass, and be superior to the DR, which is why i am waiting for it.

I agree with you. When I change my Ultra-D will be to CF-BT design. Did Big Toe confirm blue sky pcb color?

[apesoccer]

Hi *****,



The board should be available in about 2-3 weeks.



Thanks,



Ming-Huey Jeng

DFI San Jose

Marketing/PR Dept.

Should be available between the 24th and the 31st here in the states (US).

[apesoccer]

doh...that must be an auto-response...cuz i got the same one lol. Now on the 10th...hopefully some time this week then...i've been hearing on tuesdays though too...