Aluminum Mousepot!

[afireinside]

I got my new Aluminum Mousepot in the mail this morning :D

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1703/p10100054cz.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100054cz.jpg)
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/3290/p10100064hk.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100064hk.jpg)
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/4293/p10100083ty.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100083ty.jpg)
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/4343/p10100099gk.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100099gk.jpg)
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/999/p10100105en.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100105en.jpg)
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/6929/p10100111lr.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100111lr.jpg)
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/9963/p10100121gt.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100121gt.jpg)


Got to add a thermocouple... LOTS of electrical tape so it doesn't fall off like it always does on my other tube :lol:
http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/8776/p10100141oe.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100141oe.jpg)
Ready to mount
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8231/p10100155nn.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10100155nn.jpg)

Sorry about the stupid imageshack hosting. I usually use Evilsporks FTP for large pics but it's borked ATM :(

I'm about to mount the tube up and probably get some DI later today!

[\Karting_freak]

looks nice +)

waiting for tests

[Waus-mod]

ok :D very nice! when you gonna test it afirein?

[gloatlizard]

wow seems in silver!

[LittleDevil]

Nice, how much does it cost? Do you have any new pictures (testing)

[afireinside]

Ok just mounted it, I'll be getting some dry ice soon! My waterblock mounting hardware was to short to mount with springs so I use the following ghettotek mounting kit :D

Stock AMD back plate
bolts and wing nuts off Dtek heatercore shroud kit
swiftech P4 block springs and washers

The insulation around the base was to thick and wouldn't mount right so I took it off and used my own pipe wrap insulation. I also had to slit the insulation on the tube a bit for the springs to fit. It works well though. Both times I test mounted it I got 100% perfect contact with my artic silver ceramique paste without even using bolts/springs. Just push down a bit and it spreads the whole die. Far better than any other cooler I've used.

Pics of setup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/P1010016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/P1010017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/P1010018.jpg

If you're curious, the tube is sitting on a naked 3700+ san diego KABGE 0529 APMW that did 2915 3d on a crappy mounted dtek socket a waterblock.

LittleDevil PM Jason (mickeymouse) or check the cooling section of the for sale section when you get 100 posts for the price :)

[LittleDevil]

Realy nice setup :cool:

[justwOo]

Ohhhh man
Now you gone and got me all excited for mine

I can't wait to see the craftsmenship D:

[harleybro]

nice shiney no lapping? Get the DI!!!! :)

[Korpse]

Dude, that thing looks killer :D

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

its beautiful. The temptations to do DI are overwhelming, but then theres the whole problem of "parents" and "chip that cant clock to save its life" and "motherboard that just sucks"... have fun with it afi :)
what're the dimensions on that? (Height, diameter with and without insulation, weight)?

[afireinside]

I'm seeing -30C BIOS with -66C tube right now. Might have screwed up the mount... Bench time :D

[LittleDevil]

Post some pictures :cool:

[LittleDevil]

MickeyMouse how much does it coast?

tnx

[[XC] moddolicous]

Nice afireinside. Also try to get the dbech record (go for like under 100). Nice craftmanship mickeymouse. U sure u have enough insulation afireinside.

[vapb400]

AWESOME! Mine is expected Wednesday :) Im so excited.

[afireinside]

Yes I have enough insulation, no I'm not running dbench.

I just changed the BIOS because my current one sucks. So far I got 3.2ghz. BIOS should fix some things up.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

MickeyMouse how much does it coast?

tnx
pricing information is availible by PM only. You'll have to PM Mickeymouse and ask for pricing info or get 100 posts and look at his thread in the FS forum.

[afireinside]

f'n cold bug...

[k|ngp|n]

Cool looking in aluminum...very interested in how aluminum works. Good luck with your sessions afireinside.

[afireinside]

Running great so far! -61C load at 3.2ghz with near 1.9v!

UGHHHH if I go over 290 htt my keyboard doesn't work 95% of the time and I can't try a PS2 KB because my mom threw it somewhere :stick:

[mrlobber]

Running great so far! -61C load at 3.2ghz with near 1.9v!


Gorgeous temps :slobber:

[afireinside]

Deffinatly! I've been playing around with dry ice piece size like tiny vs larger chunks and there isn't much a difference. This solid unit is by far the nicest and and most well made cooler I've laid hands upon. And to think the copper unit is even better! I just need an FX57 now :D

[Disposibleteen]

I bought one myself, it should be here by next wednesday, i should be benching soon thereafter. Im so excited, this is my first time using Dice and i cant wait. Im so glad i was able to get into the Dice scene for only $100 and with it being a solid unit im sure temps will be great!

[afireinside]

I was having major issues, LDT 4x was causing my keyboard to not work randomly. I wasted A LOT of ice figuring that out. I eveutually got 3.15 8m and 3.2 1m stable before switching to my old tube. I had seen -37C BIOS and lower on that before so I figured the aluminum might just suck. Boy was I wrong. After 2 mounts the lowest I saw was -25C. This new chip must have a more accurate sensor. I couldn't even boot 3.2 on it where as the aluminum unit could boot 3.3! I remounted the aluminum unit and poured my tons of left over acetone and some DI in and got 3.25 1m stable. I ran out of ice before I could get 3.3 stable or run 8m :(

pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/run1.jpg
setup overview
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/run2.jpg
BIOS and base temps at idle :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/run3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/run4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/run5.jpg
my little "pool" of acetone (way to much...)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/GCS0034.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/zero-IGN/GCS0037.jpg
Stupid me forgot to set my ram divider back up on my 3.25 pi run and I forgot I had CPUZ on validation screen :stick:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=38730
CPUZ valid 3247mhz
I had SS at 3300, I will attempt 3300mhz Pi next weekend when I get more DIce and a gig of UTT or BH5. (only used 2*256 BH5 this time as I don't have a gig of ram yet)

This tube is just amazing. Far better temps than on my old machined unit from Jason and MUCH easier to mount. I get great contact every time without any hassles! Mousepot is the way to go!

Good luck with yours disposibleteen. You're going to love it. Dry ice is tons of fun.

[G H Z]

Nice thread, where's your suicide shot ;)

Seriously, this is very cool, props to MM for making this ALU version. We might see a real DI mania coming if he keeps making these. The price is perfect for entry level and it looks like it works pretty damn good too.

Very good pictures also af, thanks :woot:

[harleybro]

Nice tube. Looks very promising. Have you tried smaller pieces of di? Call around and try to get some pellets might lower temps. even more. The -33 is a nice temp. in bios. Keeping you just ahead of cold bug. :toast:

[ilkkahy]

I really like that container. If only you had copper mousepot too we could see whats the real temp difference between these two materials on solid container. Aluminium may work even better with ln2 on some desings (propably not on this type of solid container though).

[afireinside]

:banana:

Yeah harley, my last sandiego bugged when I dropped under -33C BIOS with my machined copper unit but I can't even get bellow -25C with it now. I'll use smaller pieces all the time next time but like I said, I thought the chip was crap so I started playing around to see how much a difference was. The difference between small/large pieces was maybe 2-3C BIOS temps. The thing that sucks if I can't get pellets here. I have to get 5-10lb chunks :stick:

How much acetone do you guys use? I saw no real difference between a tiny bit on the base and a massive pool that was over an inch deep.

I'm going to get some better mounting hardware (read:not bent) and springs if I can find some for next run as well :) I remember kingpin saying this when he got his arc, once it freezes the pressure isn't as good. I tightened my wingnuts until I couldn't turn them anymore then after pulling the base to -72C and booting I could give them an extra turn or two and gained a 2C drop in BIOS :D

[n00b 0f l337]

I gotta drive down to you fire sometmie and place with some dice.

[Newbie]

Hik hik hik it's look awesome !!! I like to have one like that, it suck that i live in asia, it will take a lot of shipping cost. Some guys also made it, but not looking good as mickey mouse's. Hope someday i can go to US and buy one of it.

[speed bump]

Nice job I was wondering just how these would do.

[justwOo]

Out of the business of making aluminum mousepots, and into the business of making a new copper revision of a kick ass mousepot right? D:

[Batt[o]]

Nice one...really great in silver :P

Few Questions:
*Can I used Alu one for LN2?
*What is better for insulation Armaflex or Neoprene?

[Tribal84]

whats better for dry ice alu oder copper ??

[n00b 0f l337]

I cant wait for mine to arrive, really, im gonna have so much time... But jason, your gonna do one more run and be gone? I think your going to have to see how much your pots sell for 6 months from now. They may become quite a valuable.

[Eldonko]

If you didn't buy one guys your out of luck as Im out of the buisness. :(Noooo! I checked classifieds and your thread was gone. :(

[TheMeatFrog]

afireinside has pretty much taken care of the pictures of the alumi mousepot but I just got mine today so I thought I would add a few more. ;)

I knew the alumi version was going to be a good bit lighter than it's copper big brother. But damn this thing feels like a feather compared to it! :p:

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4080/img12173ur.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12173ur.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3231/img12142si.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12142si.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6940/img12150mr.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12150mr.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1189/img12197fe.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12197fe.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5981/img12208no.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12208no.jpg)

[the_chad]

nice tube TheMeatFrog

and sorry to hear your out of it MickeyMouse :(

[s7e9h3n]

afireinside has pretty much taken care of the pictures of the alumi mousepot but I just got mine today so I thought I would add a few more. ;)

I knew the alumi version was going to be a good bit lighter than it's copper big brother. But damn this thing feels like a feather compared to it! :p:

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4080/img12173ur.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12173ur.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3231/img12142si.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12142si.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6940/img12150mr.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12150mr.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1189/img12197fe.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12197fe.jpg)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5981/img12208no.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12208no.jpg)
Don't sell this one this tim :p: And drop me a PM cuz I've got something for you ;)

[n00b 0f l337]

I got mine and this thing is freaking sweet. I wont post pics as its redundant... But anyone got a perfect diagram of assembly?

[TheMeatFrog]

Don't sell this one this tim :p: And drop me a PM cuz I've got something for you ;)
This one isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I really wish I hadn't sold my copper unit. :( Maybe I should try and contact the guy I sold it to and ask if he wants to sell it back. :p:

[TheMeatFrog]

backplate,
neoprene sheet,
6-60 rods threaded into backplate,
place aainst back of mainboard,
plastic washers,
black washers ,
black nut,

foam ring,
tube,
contianer
holddown
large washer
spacer
spring over spacer
another large washer
kerl nut :)
:clap:

[afireinside]

I just do

back plate
rods
mobo
tube
spring
washer
nut

lol...

[LSANTHRAX]

They look superb, shame that you won't be making anymore though.

I think you may have something in using aluminum in your di/ln2 tubes, it provides a lower cost entry into the extreme benching game while not sacrificing much performance.

[LSANTHRAX]

When you say "kill" what do you mean temperature wise?

I edited my post as well, it should be better now.

[ilkkahy]

Rather than just saying "copper kills aluminium" (i think everyone knows copper conducts twice better heat) id prefer to see some real numbers on same setup with two mousepots. Other aluminium and another copper.

Solid containers are model that bases on mass (even though aluminium has about same thermal capacity to volume as copper) and high conducting. If surface area was closer to cpu difference between these materials might be minimal.

[gloatlizard]

quote it would be very interesting for all us

[harleybro]

Rather than just saying "copper kills aluminium" (i think everyone knows copper conducts twice better heat) id prefer to see some real numbers on same setup with two mousepots. Other aluminium and another copper.

If I get to it I'll try and do both for a comparison this weekend. ;) I will probably get some DI this way it would be an egual comparison.

meatfrog: shootin ya a PM. :)

[ilkkahy]

Big difference then you need to take in account like iLkk said about overall mass. Alumi is 1/3 per volume lighter than Copper.

Aluminium is lighter but also thermal capacity is 900J/(K·kg) where copper has 385J/(K·kg) so there is not so big overall difference.

Im looking forward to see this comparision :cool: Make sure both containers has premium contanct. It would be also cool to see temps of Mickeys old non-solid container which i think has the best efficiency/manufacturing cost -ratio.

[Alex08]

so far i've tried both the aluminum and copper mousepots.

in the bios, the aluminum boots a couple degrees colder than the copper, but once in windows the copper is a couple degrees colder than the aluminum.

i was able to run pi 1m 65mhz higher with the copper, but i havent done any 8m, 16m, or 32m with the pots yet. This will be saved for later today. :)

[the_chad]

interesting results Alex08

[Alex08]

i'll post some pics of what i have so far, I just don't have the 8m+ pi results. The 4 LEDS on my DFI are lit up. Not sure if that means my bios is screwed. It happend when I was changing to the 4v option. :confused:

[Alex08]

starting off...

insulation around socket
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37607&stc=1

pretty MM dice tubes
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37608&stc=1

some more
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37609&stc=1

notice its an 3800+ E6 revision, sucks at clocking
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37610&stc=1

[Alex08]

some fun with copper

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37614&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37615&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37616&stc=1

[Alex08]

and more fun with the aluminum

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37617&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37618&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37619&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37620&stc=1

[the_chad]

looks like some nice results, do you have another temp probe or do you use the on-die/on-board?

[Alex08]

i had to use the onboard sensors this time.

i received my digital thermometer today, an oldschool fluke 52. I'll retest after i get my motherboard up and running again.

[Dani]

You should test with both pots and Prime95/S&M for 15min. to see which one is more powerful
BTW, BIOS temps, was it with default clocks/Vcore?

[the_chad]

The Next Era is Containers is about to SURFACE!!
Another Alumi Contianer that will match or out do the current Copper Mousepots and a new Copper set that will redefine how we bench Dryice/LN2 ;)
MISDIRECTION


Are you developing the above containers Jason? or do you know of someone else that will be making these? or are these the ones that you mentioned in that other thread that you were making for only a few people?

[ilkkahy]

i had to use the onboard sensors this time.

i received my digital thermometer today, an oldschool fluke 52. I'll retest after i get my motherboard up and running again.

Onboard sensors are the only way to go. Unless you get to place that thermometer sensor behind cpu or something..

Its great that you got to test those but you should had made it like Dani said to get some numbers. Temps should be taken during load with high vcore.



Copper is better period, but the Alumi isn't that far behind and for the price these guys got that piece of art for $80-120 US I wouldn't stress too much about major head to head compares.


As i said everyone knows coppers better conductivity but why cant you give your test results here if you have made some reliable testing as it seems? Wise people prefer to see numbers instead of words.

If you can get few puny degrees better temps on twice as expensive copper version what do you think any average rarely di using overclocker would like to purchase? Naturally selling high end products will get much more "bling bling" in your pocket. I dont believe aluminium container was so bad that you didnt want to have them made anymore..

Just wild guessing..