View Full Version : Tips for a newbie startibg on dice
metro.cl
09-12-2005, 07:41 PM
hello guys i've been overclocking for about a year i had good air cooling and watercooling but it seems that its not enough for me now, so i wanna try dice since its the kindest (in knowdledge and $$) extreme cooling so i searched around the web and found this guide.
http://www.madshrimps.be/printhow.php?howtoID=59
i really wanna start from 0, now based on that guide what kinda tips could you give me??
i'm not sure about the inner design of the cupper base, tips have to be simple since i dont have ways to make a complicated design.
i'll keep searching in the forum and the web to learn more.
The only thing i have is cheap dry ice about 1.5usd pero kilo.
glad to see people use my article, it's not perfect but a little guideline if you just start with dice.
you can look at pics and logs of other member there containers and make your conclusion or just ask what the best out there.
the most simple design is holes drilled into the base, best bang for the buck i think.
or you can dremel some grooves into the base also to increase the surface area.
greetz,
Jort
metro.cl
09-13-2005, 01:59 PM
thanks mate its a great guide for noobs like me, im searching for the parts to start soon
afireinside
09-13-2005, 04:20 PM
Running:
insulate, mount tube, chop up ice, fill tube half way with ice, add acetone, bench, add ice as needed
building tube:
buy a mousepot :D OR get a 3/8" thick copper plate and braze a 2.5" ID tube to it. Mounting can be done either through the base or (more effectivly) with a hold down (wood, plastic, metal, plexi) pushing on the base. Make sure you drill some holes in the base and channels if possible. The more holes the better but don't drill down more than half way. And make sure you have as little copper as possible outside of the inner of the tube.
metro.cl
09-13-2005, 10:56 PM
Running:
insulate, mount tube, chop up ice, fill tube half way with ice, add acetone, bench, add ice as needed
building tube:
buy a mousepot :D OR get a 3/8" thick copper plate and braze a 2.5" ID tube to it. Mounting can be done either through the base or (more effectivly) with a hold down (wood, plastic, metal, plexi) pushing on the base. Make sure you drill some holes in the base and channels if possible. The more holes the better but don't drill down more than half way. And make sure you have as little copper as possible outside of the inner of the tube.
thanks mate mousepots are kinda expensive and consider shipping one to chile :(
babyelf
09-14-2005, 01:49 AM
you'd probably want to look into some liquid electrical tape.. IMO easy to do.. just brush on :)
metro.cl
09-14-2005, 10:07 AM
ok guys what do you think about this??
first pic is from a wc block for dice i'll get the same design but with more contact surface due to longer stripes of cupper (sorry for my english)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1366/cpuwaterblockd72vb.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpuwaterblockd72vb.jpg)
then this is the design
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2/evaporador0bt6tq.th.gif (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evaporador0bt6tq.gif)
i already asked the guy to make the pipe longer 35cms and also a wider pipe 2"1/8
any modifications that could help the design??
afireinside
09-14-2005, 10:56 AM
you'd probably want to look into some liquid electrical tape.. IMO easy to do.. just brush on :)
LET is junk. Use nailpolish
That is a good base. Cover the entire base with holes if you can.
Waus-mod
09-14-2005, 11:23 AM
Why junk afireinside..
In my experience it is very good stuff.
LET is junk. Use nailpolish
That is a good base. Cover the entire base with holes if you can.
when he has some trouble with it it suckes, like the containers too :)
G H Z
09-14-2005, 01:00 PM
I don't like it either but that's just cause I tried to remove it once. I use clear nail polish now.
Kaffebord
09-17-2005, 06:54 AM
Your container seems very good.
I am also going to try dice for the first time soon. So you are not the only "noob" on this forum :)
metro.cl
09-17-2005, 07:30 AM
thanks for the tips one question
when using nail polish how do i remove it?? i dont need to remove it after benching with dice?
G H Z
09-17-2005, 03:42 PM
No need to remove it, it can stay there forever.
metro.cl
09-17-2005, 03:56 PM
No need to remove it, it can stay there forever.
ok thanks now where should apply the nail polish? around the socket? on the back of the mobo?
afireinside
09-17-2005, 05:15 PM
Cover around the socket, on caps, under the caps (seal legs) and the back of the board around the socket. It comes off with acetone and doesn't harm anything. Works way better than LET and looks good :D
what about completly covering around socket with silicone and the caps too....i love the stuff....so useful
metro.cl
09-27-2005, 03:57 PM
Well guys tomorrow my container is gonna be finished, this are the last pics i got from the guy doin it.
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/9548/metro14ld.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/4879/metro24vc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/1451/metro36nq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/533/metro48fq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
If everything goes right this weekend i might do my first test with dry ice :)
the_chad
09-27-2005, 05:43 PM
looks great, good luck with your run and cant wait to see some results
base looks a bit thick but i like the design other then that
metro.cl
09-27-2005, 07:33 PM
thanks mates, one more question do i really need dielectric grease?? and do you know of a easy way to get that (the guy that is making the tube told me that no one in chile that he knows has dielectric grease :()
tomorrow i'll upload pics of the finished tube
G H Z
09-27-2005, 09:45 PM
Try autoparts store or Vaseline ;)
yeah vaseline works just as well
ilkkahy
09-28-2005, 05:35 AM
Very nice work and drilling there. Those are 4mm holes? What rpm did you use drilling them? I assume you had just a normal press drill making those. Just interested because i usually have troubles with cutting such a small holes into copper (cheap drills break into holes and after couple im in edge of madness). That bottom might not work that well with dryice but lets see and hope im wrong. Would not be the first time. Are you going to saw it like that waterblock?
eshbach
09-28-2005, 10:34 AM
i know a lot of people (myself included) do not even use the dielectric grease. I think it just makes a mess.
afireinside
09-28-2005, 11:18 AM
dielectric grease is only needed if running phase 24/7 IMO and even then I don't know if I'd use it. I used to use it but since it made two of my boards a total mess I stopped using it. I've had no problems. Actually I've had an easier time without the crap all over my parts and my hands.
BTW your base looks WAY to thick. Over 1/2" is to thick to work.
the_chad
09-28-2005, 03:16 PM
looking at your base again, id have to agree and say it looks way too thick.
dielectric grease is only needed if running phase 24/7 IMO
do you use anything instead of dielectric grease?
metro.cl
09-28-2005, 03:31 PM
Hmm abbout dielectric grease i think i wont use it i dont see many advanteges of it for just benching with dry ice.
Regarding the base i got more pictures today it seems slimer now, hope you guy's like it i have the tube in my hands now i'll upload more pics when i do my first bench (i still have to buy a couple more things like mounting and some insulation)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7263/base9af.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2821/base25br.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7614/base30bo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Thanks for all the help guys :)
the_chad
09-28-2005, 11:50 PM
nice work metro.cl cant wait to see some test results and the unit in action
ilkkahy
09-29-2005, 01:40 AM
That looks great! It has very much surface area and its solid so it will be just superb with ln2. Should kick ass of any solid containers out there. Its intresting to see how it will perform with dryice. Dice will place on top and side of those pins but maybe theyll melt between those pins too. If its possible give bios temps under load than use thermometer. Thats my favorite container now :clap:
metro.cl
09-29-2005, 04:15 AM
great that you like i'll use mostly dry ice because is way cheaper than ln2 and amd wont work with ln2.
If i can get insolation tomorrow i'll try to do some tests on weekend
i dont have a thermometer, i'll ask some friends and maybe ii can get one
k|ngp|n
09-29-2005, 05:18 AM
Hmm abbout dielectric grease i think i wont use it i dont see many advanteges of it for just benching with dry ice.
Regarding the base i got more pictures today it seems slimer now, hope you guy's like it i have the tube in my hands now i'll upload more pics when i do my first bench (i still have to buy a couple more things like mounting and some insulation)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7263/base9af.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2821/base25br.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7614/base30bo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Thanks for all the help guys :)
Great effort metro :toast: .
G H Z
09-29-2005, 11:09 AM
That looks very cool, and I'll bet it works just as good.
afireinside
09-29-2005, 11:41 AM
Wow very awesome base :toast: Should be killer with ln2!
harleybro
09-29-2005, 12:41 PM
Very nice not sure about dice but the base does look real good for LN2. :)
That base you've got there is truly awesome! Would love some results!
Good luck man :D
I just got simple container as well. I hope to get my Opteron soon and then there will be my 1st DICE action too.
:toast:
Dementor
10-11-2005, 03:34 AM
Yea man. Youve done a very nice job there. Good luck aswell on the results, awaiting to see what you can achieve with that puppy! Keep us posted :)
metro.cl
10-11-2005, 07:40 AM
right now im trying my 2nd sesion of dry ice but im having problems with contact, also is kinda hot today and i get lots of condensation.
im goin for 3dmark01, i have to improove my score (see sig)
ilkkahy
10-11-2005, 08:49 AM
You say you have contact problems? What bios temps do you get? It was predicted that its possible that your model may not work that well with di.. with ln2 it should rock though.
metro.cl
10-11-2005, 11:09 AM
well i finished benching (got only 2.5hg of dice) i managed to get 3170 benchable in 3dmark01 temp idle and in bios were -38°C the best one then -28°C with high vcore 1.75v in bios i'll upload screenshot when i reinstal all the pc again
What chip was that with?
My Venice BIOS temp was -45C idle using a mousepot
metro.cl
10-11-2005, 05:38 PM
the chip is a venice 3200+ lbble 0517 i dont remember the whole stepping.
Here is what i got en 3dmark01
Rig:
venice 3200+ (on DICE) lanparty nf4-u 2x512mb g.skill le (9:10) x850xt bba 586/617 stock cooler no mods
Screenshot
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/5391/3dmark013170mhza4de.th.jpg (http://img425.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark013170mhza4de.jpg)
Link al ORB
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8749611
do you think hdd afects 3dmark01?? im using a really old hdd 5400rpm 512kb buffer ata100
p.d. im just a noob but im getting better with dry ice, i have problems booting higher than 300x10 at any volts but i used clockgen. i might have to update the bios 704 modded by bigtoe seems the best one for tccd