View Full Version : Swiftech MCW55 VGA block is out
vapb400
09-03-2005, 06:43 PM
www.swiftnets.com
Think it will preform better than the Maze4? I'm ready to order my water cooling, and need to know which to buy. The Maze4 is cheaper, so unless the 55 is significantly better, I'll just let it go.
racinjimy
09-03-2005, 06:48 PM
kind of ugly with the 3/8 to 1/2 inch adaptors
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/mcw55/MCW55-0500BARB.gif
n00b 0f l337
09-03-2005, 06:52 PM
Erm yeah, a tad ugly.
Bloody_Sorcerer
09-03-2005, 07:23 PM
other than the fact that the outside looks like arse, the guts look pretty good, alot like the wintsch labs blocks. *waits anxiously for a TEC version*
huge plus i see off the bat is that the only version of this block is in delrin (unlike maze4, which has aluminum versions floating around)
looks like it could be a good block, but that tube system is incredibly poorly designed.
Kingsfan
09-03-2005, 08:17 PM
it says same dimensions as the MCW50, but the adapter around it makes it look bigger, hope it'll fit on my AIW
Psyche911
09-04-2005, 06:03 AM
Just the connector interface on it would make me go with the Maze 4 GPU instead. Barbs > Quick Connect + adapters any day.
looks nice... until you see the actual connectors... :wth:
I'm not one for absolute bling, but even I would have prefered if they went with barbs.
saratoga
09-04-2005, 12:31 PM
No aluminum (at least on the block, if not the mounting), which is a good idea.
MaxxxRacer
09-04-2005, 04:32 PM
bloody, this is exactly the same thign as the mcw50, but with a delrin top.. same thing wit the maze4.. they switched to delrin with the maze4...
as to the design. it should work pretty well and is a proven design with the 5000 series and mcw50.
BUT i would liked to have see some more innovation from swiftech in this design.. when i read the title of this thread i was hoping fora bit more.. but ohwell..
saratoga
09-04-2005, 07:19 PM
bloody, this is exactly the same thign as the mcw50, but with a delrin top.. same thing wit the maze4.. they switched to delrin with the maze4...
Swiftech claims they've refined the design and the numbers they claim for C/W bear this out. Of course, take the manufactor's numbers with a grain of salt, but they've generally agreed with 3rd party tests in the past.
BUT i would liked to have see some more innovation from swiftech in this design.. when i read the title of this thread i was hoping fora bit more.. but ohwell..
I'm not really expecting anything new in GPU blocks anytime soon. Look at the C/W numbers on swiftech's site. They're already extremely low (less then 1/4 the MCW6000!). You're not going to do much better without starting to seriously impact flow rate to the CPU I think, and most people aren't going to be willing to buy a second pump just to handle the GPU.
Given the diminishing returns, switching to an all copper/plastic design is the most useful improvement I expect from future GPU blocks. I'd rather have a block thats safe in the long term, then one thats 1/4 degree cooler.
HiJon89
09-04-2005, 07:26 PM
Erm yeah, a tad ugly.
Eh, its not like you can really see the GPU block.
Arkangyl
09-04-2005, 07:45 PM
I really thought we were gonna see MCW 600X pins inside instead of the 500X base...
oh well, when are we gonna see a VGA block with a Cascade / Storm jet system?
MaxxxRacer
09-04-2005, 08:21 PM
ark it will be a long time before we see one of those, if ever.. at that point you would need two loops or and RD30 to run in series and keep good flow.
Bloody_Sorcerer
09-04-2005, 08:40 PM
ah, i was unaware of what the MCW50's base. All i know is that the MCW50-T is just a top with water directly over a TEC. why oh why aren't there any really good GPU TEC blocks for <200 bucks?*grumbles*
\Karting_freak
09-07-2005, 05:18 AM
Alright, what to take then:
DD Acetal Maze 4
DD Maze 4
Swift MCW55
Gonna you 7800GT... probably +)
I don't think there's any reason to go with a standard Maze 4 over the Acetal, not even price. Can't comment about the MCW55, though; no personal experience and haven't even seen a review.
-aMp-
Weapon
09-07-2005, 08:17 AM
ah, i was unaware of what the MCW50's base. All i know is that the MCW50-T is just a top with water directly over a TEC. why oh why aren't there any really good GPU TEC blocks for <200 bucks?*grumbles*
4 plates of copper, 2 barbed fittings, a dremel, a propane torch, 4 machine screws, a dash of silver solder and boom...you have a tec waterblock for about $30. :) I ended up having one small piece of copper on hand when I built my last one and after getting the TEC dirt cheap off of eGhey I ended up having something like $22 in the whole thing including the TEC...maybe $25 after I insulated it.
hmmmmm....cox finally upgraded my webspace account, I now have about 10 times more room than I had in the past and I am overdue for a new weapon how-to write up... :D
beermanpro
09-19-2005, 06:13 PM
I prefer the old MCW50-T with the 80w peltier
Haltech
09-19-2005, 07:38 PM
Stew seriously needs to get that G4 VGA block going :slapass:
JasonDTM
09-19-2005, 07:54 PM
Here's a 6800/7800 waterblock that will be ready in a few weeks. ;)
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=395823&page=4&pp=30
Heh
MaxxxRacer
09-19-2005, 08:22 PM
thats pretty interesting.. though its a bit tall...
Thomas FJ
09-20-2005, 08:34 AM
Alright, what to take then:
DD Acetal Maze 4
DD Maze 4
Swift MCW55
Gonna you 7800GT... probably +)
I would go for AquaXtreme new MP-1
http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AQX-MP1-GPU-DT&Category_Code=VCW
beermanpro
09-20-2005, 12:26 PM
The Stasis BLock looks really nice, now that im gonna get a 7800 GT, but that aquaXtreme looks like the Maze4, but let me see some reviews
Bloody_Sorcerer
09-20-2005, 12:38 PM
4 plates of copper, 2 barbed fittings, a dremel, a propane torch, 4 machine screws, a dash of silver solder and boom...you have a tec waterblock for about $30. :) I ended up having one small piece of copper on hand when I built my last one and after getting the TEC dirt cheap off of eGhey I ended up having something like $22 in the whole thing including the TEC...maybe $25 after I insulated it.
hmmmmm....cox finally upgraded my webspace account, I now have about 10 times more room than I had in the past and I am overdue for a new weapon how-to write up... :D
you totally lost me on that... does it have any internal design at all? :)
Personally, I like WBs with some internal design of some form... but that may just be me ;)
nikhsub1
09-20-2005, 07:04 PM
According to Swiftech the MCW55 and the G4 are near identical in performance, with the MCW55 perhaps slightly ahead. I don't like the new heat vehicle Bill is using, I think perhaps it is giving funky results.
Thomas FJ
09-20-2005, 11:51 PM
The Stasis BLock looks really nice, now that im gonna get a 7800 GT, but that aquaXtreme looks like the Maze4, but let me see some reviews
It looks just like MAZE4, but are changed on the most importnat place, the design over the GPU...
If you look in the linky I posted, it has micro channels above GPU, which in teory will give better resultets, than MAZE4 multipass design...
/Thomas
Psyche911
09-21-2005, 06:06 AM
And it mounts to all hardware with what it comes with. No need to pay another $5 for the second mounting kit. Good for people like me who have ATi but plan to go to nVidia in the next 6 months.
MaxxxRacer
09-21-2005, 07:45 AM
Bill is a very smart guy with some great test gear, but if his data is showing that the mcw55 is giving similar performace to the G4.. well then we have all been duped for the last year, and whatever we thought about waterblocks is now null and void.
but since that isnt the case, its very possible something went wrong with that test.
nik, is it possible you interrepted the results incorrectly?????
nikhsub1
09-21-2005, 07:54 AM
Maxxx, you tell me, look at bills graphs for each...
G4 - http://swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/storm/Storm%20cw%20vs%20pd.gif
MCW55 - http://swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/mcw55/55-50%20cw%20vs%20pd.gif
saratoga
09-21-2005, 10:19 AM
Maxxx, you tell me, look at bills graphs for each...
G4 - http://swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/storm/Storm%20cw%20vs%20pd.gif
MCW55 - http://swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/mcw55/55-50%20cw%20vs%20pd.gif
I'm going to guess those are different die sizes. At least it would make sense given that high end GPUs have enormous dies compared to CPUs. Not to mention I don't think you could C/W that low from such a simple block at such flowrates with his standard 100mm^2 die.
Why not ask Bill for clarification?
MaxxxRacer
09-21-2005, 12:59 PM
thermal resistance for storm at 6psi pressure drop is the same as MCW55 at ~5.4 psi.. hmm..
well the MCW55 would be around 2 to possibly 3x the flowrate at 5.4psi as the storm would be at 6psi. no?
a more interesting graph would be the cw/hydralic power. this would tell you what a particular pump would be able to get through each and the performance..
or for a direct comparison not based on the pump, a c/W per flow graph would be helpful..
im gonna go check out swifty's website to see if they dont have some of those..
same performance at roughtly 1.5times the flowrate... thats pretty dang baffling.. it MUST be with a different die or something.