Xtreme Grand Prix racetrack 2 discussion

[saaya]

please use this thread to ask for help and/or share your results and expiriences and how to get your system to full speed on this underwater track of the Xtreme Grand Prix :D

[SDX]

Whatever driver works best for you, I think would be fairest. I dont think there are "hidden drivers" that only a select few have access to.

[saaya]

all drivers are fine for aq3 :)

the drivers that work best for 3dmark dont always score better in aq3 as well, there are some driver reviews out there comparing different forceware versions, could be worth to check out those reviews :D

does aq3 also score best at the first run or does it score higher after the first run?

[harleybro]

all drivers are fine for aq3 :)

the drivers that work best for 3dmark dont always score better in aq3 as well, there are some driver reviews out there comparing different forceware versions, could be worth to check out those reviews :D

does aq3 also score best at the first run or does it score higher after the first run?
From what I have seen on AM3 you can run rerun and keep running without a real change.

[Vapor]

One thing I have noted in AM3 with my 9800XT is that at a high enough speed, the score will actually lessen. :stick:

[Ugly n Grey]

One thing I have noted in AM3 with my 9800XT is that at a high enough speed, the score will actually lessen. :stick:

That's nasty, any idea why?

I think I can totally take the class for x700's (I know big whoop de doo)

[Vapor]

IDK why, but it also artifacts noticably less than other benchmarks...no clue why.

I think my 7800GTX also has this problem. I ran one at 2.4GHz 496/1420 and got 90k while I ran another at 2.65 525/1460 LOD +15 and only got 94k....something's up.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

throttling? same thing happens to my 6800, it just suddenly starts slowing down, giving scores lower than stock...

[Vapor]

IDK how AM3 can throttle a 9800XT though...w/e. My 7800GTX runs are weird, still playing with those.

[Vapor]

Alright, those scores are as good as it'll get for now....not sure how I got 90k on the slower speeds though....turned down LOD to +3 on these settings and got 91k.

My GPU needs more volts too....even on aircooling. Artifacting at 530 MHz a lil too much and the card is still only warmish....

[AH^DK]

LOD = Level Of Detail ?

Anyways, 5.6's gave me good scores.

[shinymod]

first time with this benchmark...

i get 80,250 with a winchester at 2570mhz, 512MB BH-5 @ 257mhz 2-2-2-11 and x800xt at 500/500 and 80,800 with the x800xt at 563/567....

that doesn't seem right to me... also when i get back into windows i notice that atitool now shows 500/500 again :confused: i had this bug with 3dmark 03 as well and it seemed to affect my score, any ideas anyone!? i'm stumped.

[harleybro]

Alright, those scores are as good as it'll get for now....not sure how I got 90k on the slower speeds though....turned down LOD to +3 on these settings and got 91k.

My GPU needs more volts too....even on aircooling. Artifacting at 530 MHz a lil too much and the card is still only warmish....
Def. need the vmods. ;) Couldn't break 540 on cool water at 1.5v which is higher than stock.

Shineymod: Might be going too high on core I think and it is resetting itself try backing down and see what it does. Also make sure to check off vgpu recover I think that caused problems when I ran it w/ the x850xt. :)

[shinymod]

yeah i have vpu recover turned off, i'll try with a lower core speed, thanks :)

EDIT: 550/550 no reset 83K+ if only i'd known that for '03 :brick: now to work out how to stop it resetting so that i can run with decent clocks...

[Vapor]

Hmmmm, I think I figured out something very interesting for the 7800GTXs....let me test a lil more and maybe I'll have 100k in the bag when I get back.

[harleybro]

Hmmmm, I think I figured out something very interesting for the 7800GTXs....let me test a lil more and maybe I'll have 100k in the bag when I get back.
Definately curious. :) I figure 100K should be cake w/ the card. I am actually hopin on hittin 110-115. ;)

[Vapor]

With water and an FX 100k is cake. With aircooling and an X2...not so much...will update later with my findings, kinda busy.

[Magnj]

Ok mine keeps crashing after MAssive overdraw part? I'm on stock clocks all around...

[Magnj]

aye

[D4nnyOcean]

all drivers are fine for aq3 :)

the drivers that work best for 3dmark dont always score better in aq3 as well, there are some driver reviews out there comparing different forceware versions, could be worth to check out those reviews :D

does aq3 also score best at the first run or does it score higher after the first run?

I was wondering about the driver issue also. It states in your rules post that only FM approved drivers may be used for this competition.

Rule#12
Q. "Can we use any driver we want?"
A. "sorry, no. please only use futuremark approved drivers."

So has that rule now been changed after the start of the Comp?

[Magnj]

May have applied only to that first benchmark

[Jamo]

thing was, i had to run un-approved drivers to get my 9800se to 8 pipes :( so i'll have to see whats done about it

[Gryph]

I think it was said somewhere that you can use whatever driver you want for AM3. I know it is FM approved drivers only for the 3D0X benches though.

Gryph

[Vapor]

Interesting findings here....I got 96538 with my 4400+ @ 275x10 and my 7800GTX at 525/1450 (highest I can run with zero artifacts....seems to help in AM3) yet I get 913xx at 460/1300, so AM3 definitely seems to be much more CPU intensive (where my X2 is gonna stuggle). A 15%/11% graphics OC shouldn't yield only a 5% increase in score, should it? It also seems that AM3 is much more CPU OC sensitive than 01 is...I can run 01 at 2830 but my best score in AM3 is at 2750 (I can run it at 2810ish, but it gets a lower score).

I scaled my GPU and MEM speed up slowly and it's definitely the highest score I get with my stock cooling. Any faster or slower and I get a lower score...:stick:

[Gryph]

Amazing gpu clocks Harleybro. Is that still just chilled water? And what kind of volts are ya pushing through there?

Gryph

[harleybro]

Yup just chilled water about 9c or so. Vgpu is around 1.74 or so. Just finding I can get better mem clocks too. As the ice in my cooler was meltin I started havin probs runnin the same cpu clocks so I stopped but had mem up to 1431 artifact free so last attempts had been 660/1431 think I'll get it tomorrow maybe 1450 on mem.

Vapor: Yeah cpu and timings are a huge plus in AM3. I think when I was testing in the past I was gaining about 1000pts. for every 100mhz.

[shinymod]

this makes no sense >.< i just flashed to xt pe bios, and the clocks reset, but not only that.... now that i can run 550/560 without it resetting (rather than 550/550) because the pe bios is 560 stock mem, i get an even lower score!! what is going on!

[Magnj]

who is still playing with x800xl?

[Jamo]

woohoo! just broke 57k, graphics clocks were at 477/390 and the chokes on the motherboard were screaming! not sure how much more i can tweak it, will having fastwrites off allow higher clocks? who else is out there on 9800pro and s754???

[i found nemo]

i got 64k, in am3 could have gotten higher cuz my cpu was only @ 2.4ghz i'm pretty sure i can run it @ 2.5 benchible

[Gryph]

I am impressed Harleybro. I would be afraid to run that much voltage through my 7800 even if I had chilled water. I did volt mod mine but I wont go over 1.6 on the core since I am still on air. I do get a little more out of my memory on this on card. It will run 1450 without a volt mod.

Gryph

[Vapor]

I'm really thinking I should do a voltmod as well...I can do 525/1470 with few artifacts on stock cooling and I think 625/1500 is my benchable goal for watercooling (unchilled), but I'm sure I'll need a voltmod for that... 600/1475 is my goal for 24/7 stability.

These goals are probably way too high, but better that than aiming too low, IMO.

[harleybro]

Gryph: Yeah I might be turning down the voltage a bit. Was hitting 660 but cooler was running out of ice so had to stop. Actually gluein on some ramsinks now. The thermal tape IMO was just not cutting it. When I pulled the sinks off I saw they where making contact with 1/2 of each chip or less.

Vapor: 639 is where I started to artifact w/ vgpu set at 1.52 or so. The 1500 is definately not out of reach for yours modded IMO. Probably even higher modded. I think my card only hit around 1414 on the stock cooler but didn't play for it long enough to be sure.

[Vapor]

I know I can run 1485 on stock cooling with artifacts...never tried higher. I just glued some OCZ copper ramsinks on (putting my watercooling on my system finally :stick: ) and hope to hit 1500 with zero vmods. With the mods I'm aiming for a little over 1515 or so.

Do you remember your core OC on stock cooling (did you ever use stock cooling?!). I can run 534 before it locks up.

[Mr_Slinky]

ok i guess i have a preaty basic question when running aquamark 3 v3 i get through all the tests but at the last big bang it pops up the mouse cursor and gives me this box and says:
TERMINATION: Exception Caught
Code: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
Info: The thread tried to read from or write to a virtual address for which it does not have the appropriate access.
Flags: 0x00000000 Addr: 0x1c37266a
eax: 0x00000001 ebx: 0x227c03c4 ecx: 0x00000001 edx: 0x00000091
ebp: 0x0012f954 edi: 0x00000091 esp: 0x0012f940 eip: 0x1c37266a esi: 0x0012f95c
segc: 0x001b segd: 0x0023 sege: 0x0023 segf: 0x003b segg: 0x0000 segs: 0x0023

note i downloaded this a couple of times and scaled back all my timings to default speeds. installed this on my other machiene and it works fine.
uninstalled it and reinstalled it. i am using the catylist 5.6 drivers for my ATI X800XL
any help would be appreciated

[I_G]

Sound like you need to download and install the hotfix from AM's homepage. http://www.aquamark3.com/ The first entry in the upper right under Recent Information.

[harleybro]

Vapor my core OC on stock cooling was around 550 or so I believe. Here is one of the runs on the stock cooler I did also have a window A/C unit directed towards the rig.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=989200

Mr.Slinky: Yes as I_G said the hotfix should take of your problems

[Entity_Razer]

So still no answer here. Do are fastwrites usefull or do they confine OC's?

[jrw]

woohoo! just broke 57k, graphics clocks were at 477/390 and the chokes on the motherboard were screaming! not sure how much more i can tweak it, will having fastwrites off allow higher clocks? who else is out there on 9800pro and s754???

Got a 9800Pro as well. Clocks lousy though.

Havent really tweaked my run much. How about ricky tweak and such? Helps?

[Entity_Razer]

@ stryg, YOUR 9800pro clocks lowsy?????????

lol
I have a R 360 and I can't even get it to run artifact free above 430MHZ :mad:

mem does a nice 396 without any cooling though :)

[jrw]

@ stryg, YOUR 9800pro clocks lowsy?????????

lol
I have a R 360 and I can't even get it to run artifact free above 430MHZ :mad:

mem does a nice 396 without any cooling though :)


Ok. I might have a wrong idea of what a nice clocking 9800Pro runs like ;)

What cooling are you using?

[Jamo]

Got a 9800Pro as well. Clocks lousy though.

Havent really tweaked my run much. How about ricky tweak and such? Helps?

i dont think ricky tweak affects aquamark, with your rig you should be killing me, altho this is the best dam R3xx based card i've had and its a SE with crappy 3.3ns ram :( cores good to about 480 tho, this is stock cooling, with a 92mm fan pointed at it

[i found nemo]

yes fastwrites help ALOT side band addressing too

[Vapor]

harleybro: did you have the copper or alum stock cooler?

I think whatever I may be able to gain from the memory will be lost in core clocks...that's OCing for ya though.

[mr_gibs]

ok i'm finally back so i'll start now and hopefully have a good score buy tonight...

[-Acid-]

thing was, i had to run un-approved drivers to get my 9800se to 8 pipes :( so i'll have to see whats done about it


me tooo again but i used soft modded one my gpu it totally usless dammed core WERE IS MY RMA argh.

[harleybro]

harleybro: did you have the copper or alum stock cooler?

I think whatever I may be able to gain from the memory will be lost in core clocks...that's OCing for ya though.
Didn't know there was differant ones lol. Just checked mine was the aluminum one. :)

[Jamo]

hehe, cracked 58k kids, 58,341!!!!! comparo in sig, cpu 2.45ghz, seems to be max :( ram at 245 1:1 2.5 4 4 8 1t (best it'll do) aiw 9800se at 485/396 stock cooling + 92mm fan, hey 9800 users who else has got a graphics score of 8000+? :p: :p: :p: :woot:

[jrw]

hehe, cracked 58k kids, 58,341!!!!! comparo in sig, cpu 2.45ghz, seems to be max :( ram at 245 1:1 2.5 4 4 8 1t (best it'll do) aiw 9800se at 485/396 stock cooling + 92mm fan, hey 9800 users who else has got a graphics score of 8000+? :p: :p: :p: :woot:

You forced me to pass 60K :D

But you still beat me by 500points on the gfx card...

Come get me :toast:

[Jamo]

You forced me to pass 60K :D

But you still beat me by 500points on the gfx card...

Come get me :toast:

lol, i dont think i can muster a 16k cpu score somehow, however i'll see what i can push out of it, maybe 59k :)

[jrw]

lol, i dont think i can muster a 16k cpu score somehow, however i'll see what i can push out of it, maybe 59k :)

Sounds good. Keep fighting! :)

AM3 seems very responsive to tweaks. I might go all out tonight with a fresh install and extensive tweaking.

[Jamo]

what sort of tweaks does it respond to? i tryed the ricky tweak but it didnt seem to make a difference at all

[jrw]

Well.

I suddenly remembered I have turned my AGP speed down to 4x earlier (testing other stuff) - turning it back to 8x certainly helped :D:D

Side Band Adressing and Fastwrite ON gave me 2K...

[i found nemo]

lol tha's not a tweak tha's mandatory lmao

[mr_gibs]

can anyone tell my how to get my 7800 to oc higher??? it's only going to 497/1.37 on water ??? help?

[harleybro]

maybe in need of vmods now. ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67494

[i found nemo]

no harley lol, ur scores are too high!!!!

[-Acid-]

lol, i dont think i can muster a 16k cpu score somehow, however i'll see what i can push out of it, maybe 59k :)


Dothan power right there lol

[Gryph]

can anyone tell my how to get my 7800 to oc higher??? it's only going to 497/1.37 on water ??? help?

Maybe just not a very good card, out of the four cards I got one of them would not do over 480/1300 without artifacts so I returned that one cause it sucked. Out of the other three all of them would do atleast 520+/1400 on stock air. However one of the cards would do 560+/1450 on stock air. So it comes down to the luck of the draw to a point.

I am sure a volt mod would help, it allowed my best card to go over 600+ on non stock air. I am sure I could push it even farther if I had better cooling.

Gryph

[shinymod]

well the vcore mod and bios flash on my x800xt have truly made it sing...! before i could only bench about 560/560, and 83K, now i'm running 600/580 and just cracked 85K :drool:!! now i need ramsinks and vmem... although i think at 580 it may still have something left without...

[mr_gibs]

Maybe just not a very good card, out of the four cards I got one of them would not do over 480/1300 without artifacts so I returned that one cause it sucked. Out of the other three all of them would do atleast 520+/1400 on stock air. However one of the cards would do 560+/1450 on stock air. So it comes down to the luck of the draw to a point.

I am sure a volt mod would help, it allowed my best card to go over 600+ on non stock air. I am sure I could push it even farther if I had better cooling.

Gryph
yeah i'm prolly going to volt mod, i'm very good at soldering but it still freaks me out soldering to a $600 card

[Vapor]

Same...my card, now watercooled with RAMsinks and three fans on it runs COLD (not a single warm spot!) to the touch...GPU idles at 33C in a 25C room. Not sure about load. I barely gained any OC by going to water...ugh.


I probably need more volts on my DDR and DEFINITELY my core. I'm also freaked out by soldering a $600 card...

[Vapor]

Also, my CPU OC is IDENTICAL with my WC as it was with stock cooling...temps are a good 10C-15C cooler under load though....idk what's up with my system, it just doesn't want to go any further but it seems like there is nothing holding it back!

[shinymod]

VOLTZ VAPOR!! VOLTZ!!! :p: give that sucker some juice ^.^

[Gryph]

When does this track end? Monday at 12am pst?

Gryph

[mr_gibs]

Also, my CPU OC is IDENTICAL with my WC as it was with stock cooling...temps are a good 10C-15C cooler under load though....idk what's up with my system, it just doesn't want to go any further but it seems like there is nothing holding it back!

yeah to get more from my cpu, all i do is crank up the voltage :D , wish i could do the same for the gpu without a hardmod.

ps. Gryph, i think it ends at 12am on sunday, not monday

[harleybro]

vapor and mr. gibs ya can always try a bios flash none of them seem to help w/ volts but it will disable the temperature to let it run cooler. ;)
Check here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67249

[-Acid-]

i think its 12pm sunday too...

[Entity_Razer]

Wasn't it so that you can't upgrade hardware during the grand prix? And I think this includes Vmodding also. I know Saaya etc can't control everyone but as I said, wasn't this prohibited?

[harleybro]

My vmod was done before hand but don't think thats an upgrade thought it meant going from a 9800pro to a x850xt or something. I could be wrong but that's what I thought of it as. :)

[boshuter]

Wasn't it so that you can't upgrade hardware during the grand prix? And I think this includes Vmodding also. I know Saaya etc can't control everyone but as I said, wasn't this prohibited?

I don't see vmods as an upgrade.... more of a tweak :) You are still using the same hardware.

[Entity_Razer]

I hope you don't mind, I PM'd saaya about this as I am waiting for the GP to end to mod my 9800XT :)

[Jamo]

whens the next track starting? shouldnt it have been by now?

[D4nnyOcean]

Next track please :)

[Gryph]

I thinkj they are closing this track at midnight pst since that is when this one opened last week.

Gryph

[-Acid-]

so the end date for each track is 12pm monday

[Entity_Razer]

A week for each

[Jamo]

arrrrrgghhh she just cant take anymore c'ptain! looks like the 58,3xx is gonna be my best for this one :( cant squeeze another mhz out of either cpu or gpu :( oh well, bring on the next one! what we thinkin it is guys? a pi based one?

[-Acid-]

deffo something to test my mxp power lol and something i can do well in