Best Gaming LCDs ≥ 19"

[Turok]

I was looking at some LCD monitors, and when I see these specs, they look a bit tempting to buy :slobber:

Whats the response time where you cant notice ghosting at all?
Is it 8ms or less, or can it be a bit higher?

Are these the best monitors of today* and are they worth buying?
*(June 18, 2005)
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ViewSonic VX924
http://img93.echo.cx/img93/808/viewsonic2gs.gif

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116355

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SCEPTRE X9g-Naga III
http://img93.echo.cx/img93/5070/sceptre7hr.gif

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112164
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Turok

[silG]

I have a 12ms and notice ghosting about 2 seconds for every hour I play.

[Turok]

Ive never bought a LCD before, only used laptops that my dad gets for work, so I dont know whats the big difference between the contrast ratios.

The ViewSonic one has a impressive 4ms response time, but has a contrast ratio of 550:1, and the SCEPTRE one has a speed of 8ms and a contrast ratio of 800:1.

Is this a big difference? How different would it look like?
To compare, whats the contrast of a CRT monitor like my NEC FE 991sb

[c0s7]

Well, I have a Dell 2001FP ..

I can run all games fine, no ghosting, or slowing down or dead pixels..

very good monitor..

Its 20.1 Inches, and 1600 x 1200 w/ 12MS reponse

its retail on Dell's site for 800$, but I caught it on sale on there and got it for $515 shipped.. :D

Its not the BEST monitor, but it sure is real real close to the top..

http://www.zdnet.fr/i/edit/pr/2003/12/dell_ultrasharp_enlarged.jpg

[Turok]

Well, I have a Dell 2001FP ..

I can run all games fine, no ghosting, or slowing down or dead pixels..

very good monitor..

Its 20.1 Inches, and 1600 x 1200 w/ 12MS reponse

its retail on Dell's site for 800$, but I caught it on sale on there and got it for $515 shipped.. :D

Its not the BEST monitor, but it sure is real real close to the top..

http://www.zdnet.fr/i/edit/pr/2003/12/dell_ultrasharp_enlarged.jpg

Thanks for the reply.

I dont really like Dells cheap quality and that they get stuff from samsung, but that could be a alternate option.
Good thing is that they have financing for all their products, so it could be a lot easier to purchase the LCD.

I went to AnandTech to see the specs, and the specs say "Response Time: 16ms (Typical)", I also see it has a "Contrast Ratio: 400:1 (Typical)".

I guess 16ms is good since you dont see gosting, but silG says he has a 12ms that has ghosting.
What your monitor silG?
It may be that your monitor is 12ms from grey to grey, but 24ms from white to black.
The ghosting could be because of that white to black slow response time, so when you see a suden change in light to dark colors, you may experience some ghosting.

c0s7, since the contrast ratio on your LCD is 400:1, is black deep black and white pure white?
Do you have a CRT or another LCD with a higher contrast ratio to compare?
Is their waranty regarding dead pixels good?
Have you got any dead pixels? And if so, at what time span?

[texuspete00]

Dell 2405FPW en route. :hehe:

24" of widesecreen goodness. With a gray to gray of 12ms... still hard to find people with a bad thing to say about this monitor. Panel is rated 8ms from samsung. :confused:

Should be good for my eyes. My 19" CRT is currently parked directly in front of my face to simulate bigness. :p:

I really don't know where you got such a Bad impression of Dell monitors, and then Samsung of all companies! Sorry, I really like Samsung. Also getting this screen from Dell for $900 (25% coupon). :clap:

[LilGator]

Well, I have a Dell 2001FP ..

I can run all games fine, no ghosting, or slowing down or dead pixels..

very good monitor..

Its 20.1 Inches, and 1600 x 1200 w/ 12MS reponse

its retail on Dell's site for 800$, but I caught it on sale on there and got it for $515 shipped.. :D

Its not the BEST monitor, but it sure is real real close to the top..

http://www.zdnet.fr/i/edit/pr/2003/12/dell_ultrasharp_enlarged.jpg

Same here :) Drooling over the 2405FPW though ...

BTW, Dell is NOT cheap quality ... they are extremely well built.

[ettis]

When i the new Samsung 243T led panel comming out? I've heard about it awhile ago but since disappeared.

[clayton]

ViewSonic VX924 would be your best choice of 19" LCD Monitor for gaming... period.
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[Turok]

Isnt this the best Dell LCD, and maybe the best 20 / 20.1" wide screen LCD?
Big plus if its widescreen because I would have advantage in games like CSS :D

"DELL UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD"

http://img187.echo.cx/img187/1407/delllcd6yi.gif

Here are the specs :slobber:

Advertised Response Time: 12ms (Typical)
Image Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Image Contrast Ratio: 600:1
Max Resolution: 1680x1050 Pixels
Max Sync Rate (V x H): 75 Hz x 83 kHz
Diagonal Size / Viewable Size: 20 / 20.1"

"To optimize this monitor's performance, your system must be able to support WSXGA+ resolution (1680 x 1050).
Click here to see if your Dell system and graphics card is compatible with this monitor." (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/learnmore/learnmore.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&~id=monitors&~line=desktops&~mode=popup&~series=optix&~tab=other)

Looks like its compatible with my x850xt :)

Is this the best LCD, or are there better?

Turok

[Hombre]

I just got 2405FPW, ordered it all the way to little Israel.

- It has superb build quality, backlighting/screendoor issues are fixed now (I don't have any)
- Dead pixel reports are lower than ever (I haven't found any in my latest rev. one!)
- It's one of the best monitors i've ever used - Very good performer, has a good display quality, slik, stylish... WIDESCREEN (Just play your fav. games/movies on it, the difference is enormous).
- It doesn't give me headaches or eyestrains, and I can backup it with my UPS, because of its ultra-low 80w draw.
- The panel is made by LG, AFAIK.

I hope you enjoy your new LCD...

* BTW, I made a red setup aswell, only with Stacker... The LCD fits perfectly... :)

[clayton]

Isnt this the best Dell LCD, and maybe the best 20 / 20.1" wide screen LCD?
Big plus if its widescreen because I would have advantage in games like CSS :D

"DELL UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD"

http://img187.echo.cx/img187/1407/delllcd6yi.gif

Here are the specs :slobber:

Advertised Response Time: 12ms (Typical)
Image Aspect Ratio: 16:10
Image Contrast Ratio: 600:1
Max Resolution: 1680x1050 Pixels
Max Sync Rate (V x H): 75 Hz x 83 kHz
Diagonal Size / Viewable Size: 20 / 20.1"

"To optimize this monitor's performance, your system must be able to support WSXGA+ resolution (1680 x 1050).
Click here to see if your Dell system and graphics card is compatible with this monitor." (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/learnmore/learnmore.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz&~id=monitors&~line=desktops&~mode=popup&~series=optix&~tab=other)

Looks like its compatible with my x850xt :)

Is this the best LCD, or are there better?

Turok

That monitor has bad reviews all over it. :( A lot of reports of backlight leakage. Check out CNET.com's review for it. Kinda bad. Thats why the price from sites were going down. However, the 2405FPW is great. But in the end, I will always be an Apple Cinema monitor series owner :cool:
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[Turok]

That monitor has bad reviews all over it. :( A lot of reports of backlight leakage. Check out CNET.com's review for it. Kinda bad. Thats why the price from sites were going down. However, the 2405FPW is great. But in the end, I will always be an Apple Cinema monitor series owner :cool:

huh?
I found a good review on the 2005FPW on AnandTech (here (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400)) and GruntVille.com recommends it in "King of the Hill" and I found the 2405FPW with a bad review in some other site saying that image quality is bad.

In that case, would the "Apple Cinema Display 20" M9177LL" be the better choice?
The specs dont look as good as the 2005FPW tho. I wouldnt want to stay in 19" and 4:3, I want something larger and wider. If there is no choice grater than 19", then I dont know if I should spend $500 to replace my NEC FE991sb for the ViewSonic VX924

Turok

[silG]

my LCD is a samsung 710t, got it round novemeber 04 if i remeber correcly

[silG]

btw: 2 seconds of every hour of gaming is great... i think

so dont think i was saying 12 ms will get you ghosting

[One_Hertz]

Ive got the 8ms 19" hyndai L90D+. I like the IQ but the ghosting can really be seen every second by me. I just switched from a very decent crt and couldn't play counter strike at all at first because everything looked like blurrs to me. Took me 2 weeks to get used to and stop noticing the ghosting.

[Turok]

btw: 2 seconds of every hour of gaming is great... i think

so dont think i was saying 12 ms will get you ghosting

k, thx
I dont know much about LCDs, thats why I thought it was slow :p:
Good to hear, now I can get an idea of whats a good LCD.

Do you think its woth it to buy the ViewSonic, or will the cheaper SCEPTRE do the job without any ghosting? Will 4ms feel more smooth than 8ms even tho its not notisable. I dont want to see any ghosting at all in the worst conditions, since thats what Im used to in CRTs.

EDIT: WILL THERE BE A BETTER LCD TO BE RELEASED?

[[XC] leviathan18]

yeah im goin to buy one too so maybe we can make a little round up here to see which one is better comparing price response time constrat ratio etc and see what suits better

[Turok]

yeah im goin to buy one too so maybe we can make a little round up here to see which one is better comparing price response time constrat ratio etc and see what suits better

I still dont know if I can pop out that kind of money afther I built my new PC.
I owe my brother $300 and I need a new chair since this thing is a pain in the back. I could demand about $200 for the barebone im building, and match it up with $100 I have lying around, but its still not enough.

If Im going to do this, I need to sell my FE991sb for $200.
I would really like to know if its worth the extra $120 for the ViewSonic (4ms and 550:1 contrast ratio), or should I stay with the SCEPTRE (8ms and 800:1 contrast ratio). The SCEPTRE is a lot cheaper and has a higher contrast ratio, so I would like to know if anyone can notice ghosting AT ALL in 8ms.

Could someone do a test by opening paint and filling the screen with black and moving the mouse or a piece of white rectangle arround the screen to see if it ghosts or blurs a bit?

Turok

[[XC] leviathan18]

a friend have the samsung 710n 12ms and is great no ghosting not blurr just perfecto for gaming and he had a 21" nec a very very very nice crt

if you are short of money new have the 710t for 200$ or the 790 8ms for 340$ if you play WOW you will love a tft the colors are great

[Turok]

OMG :shocked:

Went to the SPECTRE site and found this
http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_x23sv_naga.htm

but the fiew sites that have it sell it for about $1450

[[XC] leviathan18]

with tha money i can build a new system ¬¬ nice but no thanks enough with my 60 plasma hdtv from samsung

[Turok]

with tha money i can build a new system ¬¬ nice but no thanks enough with my 60 plasma hdtv from samsung

yeah, I know. I thought it was too expensive.

Is 550:1 vs 800:1 contrast ratio noticeable.
If 800:1 is a huge difference over 550:1, and you cant see the difference at all at 8ms response time, then the SCEPTRE X9g-Naga III is the best choice peformance and price wise.

I would still look at some reviews to make sure this ir right. I saw the pics and the screen looks like cheap plastic. The ViewSonic model looked like it had a glass screen.

[[XC] leviathan18]

remember every manufacturer take the ms thing differently so not all 8ms are true

[Turok]

remember every manufacturer take the ms thing differently so not all 8ms are true

k. I dont know if I should update now.
In games, my NEC FE991sb peforms really well and has a really nice refresh rate, resolution, and brightness. If I Update to the 19", I wont be able to play at 1600x1200 like I usually do. The screen doesnt hurt my eyes unless Im reading on the screen outside of games. I guess Ill have to update to a LCD when I have more money and when LCD start to get closer to CRT's peformance.

leviathan18. What LCD do you plan to buy, and when?
I would like to hear how it peforms.

Turok

[[XC] leviathan18]

soon i want a 19" lcd maybe the dell or samsung or nec really i dont know actually looking for all reviews to see which one is better.

one of my best friend has the 710n and is just superb with the color cuality next to my ibm e74 looks awesome and he had a nice VERY nice crt from nec and he plays a lot of ut2004 bf dod cs.s but in the game he most enjoys his new lcd is in WOW the colors looks SO grea

[Chris27]

huh?
I found a good review on the 2005FPW on AnandTech (here (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400)) and GruntVille.com recommends it in "King of the Hill" and I found the 2405FPW with a bad review in some other site saying that image quality is bad.

In that case, would the "Apple Cinema Display 20" M9177LL" be the better choice?
The specs dont look as good as the 2005FPW tho. I wouldnt want to stay in 19" and 4:3, I want something larger and wider. If there is no choice grater than 19", then I dont know if I should spend $500 to replace my NEC FE991sb for the ViewSonic VX924

Turok


read this http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

both the apple cinema and dell 2005 share the same LG.Philips panel so why pay extra for the the apple cinema?

[Turok]

read this http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

both the apple cinema and dell 2005 share the same LG.Philips panel so why pay extra for the the apple cinema?

I know, I saw that review, but teh thing is that they say the 2005 has bad reviews. In CNET they say its not for the video enthusiast.

I want a quality LCD that can go 1600x1200 without ghosting and at the same time it renders high quality image

[Daveb2012]

I have this:
http://www.megashop.ch/shop/pic/16552.gif

its a hyandai ld90+ 19" 8ms, I sold a sceptre 16ms monitor to get it.. anything below 12ms good but I can definitly see a difference between 12 and 8ms. go with 8ms they are cheap enough where its worth the extra $. 4ms monitors are already available with pre order..

[Turok]

I have this:
http://www.megashop.ch/shop/pic/16552.gif

its a hyandai ld90+ 19" 8ms, I sold a sceptre 16ms monitor to get it.. anything below 12ms good but I can definitly see a difference between 12 and 8ms. go with 8ms they are cheap enough where its worth the extra $. 4ms monitors are already available with pre order..

The ViewSonic VX924 that I put on the front page is 4ms grey to grey and 5ms black to white. Its $450.
I could aslo get the SPECTRE that I put on the front page wich is 8ms and has a higher contrast ratio and only costs $330

I like everything about these monitors except the resolution of 19" LCDs. I like to play my games at 1600x1200 with my x850xt at 4xAA and 8xAF or 6xAA and 16xAF. To get over 1280x1024, Ill need a 20", but I dont see any cheap 20" with 8ms that has good ratings.

[[XC] leviathan18]

that res you will need dual conector i think and if you want to play with that setting just get the best crt out there....

that viewsonic is contrast 550:1 that is the only flaw i can find to it i like the 4ms thing

[Turok]

that res you will need dual conector i think and if you want to play with that setting just get the best crt out there....

that viewsonic is contrast 550:1 that is the only flaw i can find to it i like the 4ms thing

my NEC FE991sb can do the job really well even a bit over 1600x1200 and its a 19" CRT, It jusst hurts my eyes when I read on it (Like there forums for example) Its too bright.

My x850xt is a Dual DVI model. Is there any way to force the 1600x1200, or are the pixels on a LCD not small enough?

Anyone with a 20" LCD or above that plays really nice on games and has a good looking picture?

[Turok]

OK, guys. Ive been researching and everything rounds up to the 2405FPW

I want to take advantage of the 20% discount for the 2405FPW that ends July 13, 2005 11PM CT

I see good ratings everywere, and the screen is huge, cheap, specs look awesome, and it doesnt stretch the image when playing incompatible game (like the Apple 24" Cinema HD)
There are 3 mods for games runnning at 4:3 ratio
1) Fill (stretched)
2) Aspect Ratio
3) 1:1 (runs the game at native pixel resolution)

For detailed specs, go here:
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2405fpw/English/about.htm

Look at the size of that thing :eek:
http://home.comcast.net/~aquacomputer/2405FPW/24-2.JPG

On this review you can see some pics
http://www.p1x44r.com/reviews/view.php?id=dell2405fpw

Here is a direct link from Dell.com
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=320-4221&c=us&l=en&cs=19&category_id=6198&first=true&page=productlisting.aspx

Im thinking Im gettin this monitor with financing and the 20% discount.
Does anyone know if there are any more discounts I can use?

If someone knows something about this monitor, please tell be before I buy
(especially if its bad news)

I have'nt seen any bad rating on forums and reviews about this monitor, just bad luck with some people.
If I get bad luck, I have Dell real close ;) (Austin,TX)

[IYP]

do we have a verdict?

[Judaeus Apella]

Get a CRT, they are cheaper, have higher resolotion, far less bluring or lagging from fast movement, look sharper, and.... well they're just better. If you compare them under FAIR conditions, you'll see that I'm right. The only difference is that LCD and Plasma are a new technology, and people confuse "newer" with "better". Newer doesn't always equal better, it often equals words I can't say in here.

Yes LCDs take less room, yes they dont produce as much heat, yes they use less electricity, yes all your friends have them, and yes they are cool, but does that make them better? NO!

[IYP]

but....but....but.....2 things...i dont think i have the space to spare....and there SHINY!!!

[Turok]

do we have a verdict?

Depends if you think this is the best LCD price and peformance wise.
NOTE: this LCD uses the same LG.Philips tech used in the Apple's 24" Cinema HD
Both are excelent LCDs, but the Dell looks better for gaming and the Apple looks better for aplications and a more good looking silver PC


Get a CRT, they are cheaper, have higher resolotion, far less bluring or lagging from fast movement, look sharper, and.... well they're just better. If you compare them under FAIR conditions, you'll see that I'm right. The only difference is that LCD and Plasma are a new technology, and people confuse "newer" with "better". Newer doesn't always equal better, it often equals words I can't say in here.

Yes LCDs take less room, yes they dont produce as much heat, yes they use less electricity, yes all your friends have them, and yes they are cool, but does that make them better? NO!

I already know all this. Ive been using CRTs all the time. I want to change to a LCD because it produces less radiation (for less headaches) and its less stressing for the eyes afther long periods of time, it also has these other advantages like space saver, power saver, less heat, etc.
I also know the downsides are double the cost on a CRT, slower response time, image is not that sharp, etc.
But look at the huge advantage on this LCD. Its 24" wide screen of viewable goodness. If you want that on a CRT, you will need to buy a TV, and how can you have a TV that size about 2ft from your face.
If you look at the link I gave for more pics, you will see that the person comparing the LCD has a 21" CRT on the left and the 24" wide screen on the right. Its about 1" taller in the view area on the top, and its about 20% wider.

Another thing. CRTs have a higher resolution, because they force the image too much. because of this, they get a blurry image. Also, a LCD is equal on all parts on the screen. CRTs use a lense that try to transform a sphere into a cube for a flat image. If you compress the image a lot on high resolutions, you can note that the edges are more blurry than the center

Even tho if I update to a larger CRT, how can I fit it on my desk. I can barely fit my 19" CRT without having it too close on my face

When I was looking at several reviews, they reported no ghosting in gaming with both the Apple 24" Cinema HD and Dell 2405FPW. The Dell 2405FPW has a response time of 12ms grey to grey and 16ms white to black.
With the size, less headaches, wide screen for a huge advantage in games like CSS :D , and no ghosting, I think its worth it for only $960 with no interests until January 1, 2006 (6 mon.)

[Turok]

Here is a comparison between the view area of my 19" CRT vs what the view area would be with the 24" widescreen LCD

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1841/comparison1ea.gif
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6687/pixelarea8ar.gif

[clayton]

2405FPW is the best IMO. Its extremely big and wonderful.
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[texuspete00]

Got two dead pixels on mine but they were pretty ok about sending me another one. First guy complained a little, but I pressed the issue a bit by just complaining more. :D It's really quite pretty. If they send me one with more dead pixels I'll probably complain to just keep my original one Im using now.

[IYP]

i have a really nice planar screen no ghosting at all and its pretty old....anyone know how i can test my response time?

[Turok]

i have a really nice planar screen no ghosting at all and its pretty old....anyone know how i can test my response time?

I dont really know how you can test you response time, but you could check if it ghosts. Try playing games and try moving arround a lot. You could also try opening paint and filling the entire screen in black and then crab a piece of white cutout and hold it with the mouse and move it arround the screen really fast to see if it ghosts.

Im guessing they test the response time with a software that measure how fast the pixels change, but I dont know any.

Ill research about it and see what I can get

Turok

[Turok]

Hmmm, interresting info I found from theinquirer.net
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20773

[Judaeus Apella]

*huggles my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u flat screen* I got this baby for $400, marked down from $800, at PCMall. It supports resolutions this 5300 vcard can't even get to. It has 3 video connections, and 4 USB connections in the back and one in the front, so you can use stuff on the fly. :)

You can keep your cruddy old LCD.

You and I should have a sniping match sometime... :D :D :D

:horse:

[Turok]

*huggles my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u flat screen* I got this baby for $400, marked down from $800, at PCMall. It supports resolutions this 5300 vcard can't even get to. It has 3 video connections, and 4 USB connections in the back and one in the front, so you can use stuff on the fly. :)

You can keep your cruddy old LCD.

You and I should have a sniping match sometime... :D :D :D

:horse:

You dont know what you just got in to :D
Snipe me in what game? PM me to see if I can give you my Xfire account
Ill try to win even with my 19" 4:3 CRT

I saw the specs on your monitor and its a 19" CRT that only goes to 1600x1200. Doesnt look like a flat pannel
Go here (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=214&ClassificationFamily=1&Classification=1) for the specs on my monitor

If you are interrested, I need to sell this CRT in order to get enough money for the LCD. I cant guarantee Ill be able to sell it fast, I first have to convince my parents to apply on financing so I can have the LCD before selling my CRT.

Turok

[Judaeus Apella]

Nope, that’s not mine. Doesn't even look like it.... That’s the wrong color and this one is larger. This one is more curvy too. It says DIAMONDTRON NF at the top.

Well... I did damage this screen. Screen got nicked in a moving accident. I was trying to very lightly sand away the dent with a used up, meaning it was ready to throw away cause it was spent, high grit sanding sponge so I wouldn’t damage the glass. I thought the plastic coating was thicker, but after only a few buffs, the affected area was now letting more light through from the screen, so now there’s a spot that’s brighter. In the same moving accident, the bottom left corner of the plastic frame around the glass cracked a little.

This CRT, you’re selling. Does it have all the same features? How old is it? This one can connect to a device that corrects the RGB settings for professional photo editing, which is something I need to do soon. That’s why I got this screen, because it’s for pro graphics editing. Everyone I know who looks at my screen is really impressed at how clear and sharp the picture is, and how brilliant the colors are. It's great for gaming. I do have a backup, but it’s a cheapo 19" CRT that came free with my parents PC that actually looks pretty decent, but they already had one of those giant full size CRTs. It's starting to go though.... letters are kinda fuzzy when you’re using MS Word. My mother needs a large one like I do, for editing photos and making brochures, but they don’t have the money for it right now because of home repairs. She might be more interested in it than I am.

I realized that I sanded away some kind of light filter or something, but I bet if I could find a spray can form of that stuff, I could reapply it, after fixing that nick in my screen. I stopped sanding when that spot turned bright. I can definitely fix that crack in the frame, but the nick is more of an issue because it’s hard to edit with most of the time.

[Turok]

Nope, that’s not mine. Doesn't even look like it.... That’s the wrong color and this one is larger. This one is more curvy too. It says DIAMONDTRON NF at the top.

Well... I did damage this screen. Screen got nicked in a moving accident. I was trying to very lightly sand away the dent with a used up, meaning it was ready to throw away cause it was spent, high grit sanding sponge so I wouldn’t damage the glass. I thought the plastic coating was thicker, but after only a few buffs, the affected area was now letting more light through from the screen, so now there’s a spot that’s brighter. In the same moving accident, the bottom left corner of the plastic frame around the glass cracked a little.

This CRT, you’re selling. Does it have all the same features? How old is it? This one can connect to a device that corrects the RGB settings for professional photo editing, which is something I need to do soon. That’s why I got this screen, because it’s for pro graphics editing. Everyone I know who looks at my screen is really impressed at how clear and sharp the picture is, and how brilliant the colors are. It's great for gaming. I do have a backup, but it’s a cheapo 19" CRT that came free with my parents PC that actually looks pretty decent, but they already had one of those giant full size CRTs. It's starting to go though.... letters are kinda fuzzy when you’re using MS Word. My mother needs a large one like I do, for editing photos and making brochures, but they don’t have the money for it right now because of home repairs. She might be more interested in it than I am.

I realized that I sanded away some kind of light filter or something, but I bet if I could find a spray can form of that stuff, I could reapply it, after fixing that nick in my screen. I stopped sanding when that spot turned bright. I can definitely fix that crack in the frame, but the nick is more of an issue because it’s hard to edit with most of the time.

The link I have there is my monitor
As I said before:
"Go here for the specs on my monitor"

I bought mine last year (I think in Q1)
It has 2 mods of brightness. Super bright and another that increases contrast
The monitor is sharp and has some nice refresh rates.
This monitor looks the best in games and full screen DVDs. Image looks sharp, but for reading it could be a bit bright.

[Judaeus Apella]

Oops, must have been really tired when I posted that. Meh... sorry, I'm only interested in 20" viewable or more. Theres a place in this forum for selling stuff. Make a new post there, if you havn't yet. :)

[pswart]

I Bought the Philips 190S LCD monitor. Anyone else with one? I did a search on the forum and found no one with the same. Any reason for that?

[Turok]

I Bought the Philips 190S LCD monitor. Anyone else with one? I did a search on the forum and found no one with the same. Any reason for that?

Looks good.
Maybe people dont have it because its too small, or because the specs say 16ms
Its nice that it has a "Anti-Glare" surface and a cheap price of around $260, but it may be a bit too short for the competition since there are others with lower than 8ms with higher contrast ratio.

I dont see too many of them online
It could be lack of availability too

[Salahuddin]

I like everything about these monitors except the resolution of 19" LCDs. I like to play my games at 1600x1200 with my x850xt at 4xAA and 8xAF or 6xAA and 16xAF. To get over 1280x1024, Ill need a 20", but I dont see any cheap 20" with 8ms that has good ratings.

...

OK, guys. Ive been researching and everything rounds up to the 2405FPW

If someone knows something about this monitor, please tell be before I buy
(especially if its bad news)

I have'nt seen any bad rating on forums and reviews about this monitor, just bad luck with some people.
If I get bad luck, I have Dell real close ;) (Austin,TX)


Hey Turok bro... I'm totally in the same boat as you. I want to buy a new monitor for my 7800 GTX SLI setup, but it looks to me like the only "gaming" monitors are in 19-inch and 17-inch... both of which are locked in 1280x1024. With my system, part of me feels like its a shame to not go with a 20-inch with a 1600x1200 resolution... but I've done a ton of research on the net, and all "qualified" reviews say that the 20+ inch monitors are not great for gaming. I posted this on another site, but I thought I'd also share it with you below.

That being said... many people claim they notice no problems gaming with these monitors. But its hard to say how picky they are and what type of gamers they are. It all becomes a subjective issue after a while. The only real way to know for sure is to actually test it out... which I plan on doing for myself this week.

Anyways, here are the comments I thought you'd be interested in:


Dell 2001FP from Tom's Hardware:


Ditto again for video games. It's not the fastest monitor in the galaxy and that disqualifies it. Furthermore, the interpolation is frankly a setback. The monitor is enough for a limited knock about between workmates, but not for an intensive game. Of course, it wasn't designed for that.
Here's the link:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050706/professional_lcd-05.html


The Dell 2005FPW from BeHardware:


Games - Here it’s a little disappointing: the 2005FPW is less reactive than the Philips monitor. It’s better than VAs but afterglow is still noticeable. It is low enough to use with FPS games from time to time. For other games which don’t require too much jumping around it’s perfect.
The link:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/547-4/lcd-roundup-7-low-priced-20-lcd.html


The Dell 2405FPW from Tom's Hardware:


Video noise while watching DVDs is strongly evident. This is a shame, because the format of the screen would be perfect for this application. Forget it, though - there is definitely too much video noise and, in addition, viewing angles aren't suitable. Games are clearly not this monitor's strength, either; it's too slow, and the monitor displays annoying lags. Worst of all, moving images lose sharpness in their textures.
The link:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050706/professional_lcd-12.html


The Dell 2405FPW from BeHardware:


It is time for the Samsung engineers to wake up. Or is it the Korean marketing department? This 16 ms monitor, 8 ms according to Samsung, and the 16 ms PVA Dell 1704V doesn’t provide better results than the 25 ms tested here during the last few years.

Of course, playing World of Warcraft with this monitor is extraordinary. If you have a very good graphic card, playing in 1920 x 1200 is a real pleasure. It is hard to come back to smaller monitors. But for Unreal or other FPS it is another story. If the character is static, we can only admire the contrast, color quality, precision of the shapes (at least with the standard resolution). If you move your mouse, it ruins everything. There is an afterglow and this is quite unbearable for really fast game fans.

You will, however, get used to this afterglow in time. It is disturbing but it all depends on the level of quality you require. In this respect, our requirements are probably too high and surely above average. Especially when a manufacturer announces an 8 ms response time that is supposedly perfect for all games. But we regularly receive readers’ comment saying that they aren’t disturbed by this effect, which seems horrible to us, and that they don’t even see what we are talking about. Anyway, now you know what we think of this monitor as regards fast games.
The link:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/567-2/23-and-24-lcd-monitors-roundup.html


The HP F2304 from BeHardware (you can get this mother of an LCD for $799 at HP.com right now):


World of Warcraft provides particularly good results with this monitor. For other games, the task is more difficult. Faster games show the weakness of crystals, not reactive enough for an intensive FPS practice. Blur effects, trails of light, all the possible versions of the afterglow are present. And yet HP say they included one of the latest panel generations.
The link:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/567-3/23-and-24-lcd-monitors-roundup.html

[Turok]

Salahuddin, its good that you share the bad new at this moment since I havent made any purchases yet, so I could still have a second chance.

Would be nice to hear comments from 2405fpw users.
The reviews may be exagerating, or were using older displays and they may have changed afther that

Im guessing if you take a pic with ghosting on the LCD, it could be noticed.
Could anyone try taking a pic of their 2405fpw or any other LCD like the 2005fpw, Apple Cinema HD, and the HP F2304?

I really want to change to LCD since Im getting tired of using this CRT for long periods of time.

If its not the 2405fpw, then what should I get?

[Salahuddin]

Well tell me what you get and how it works out... because I need a new monitor too.

The HP F2304 is going for a killer price atm tho from HP. Just wish I could get the HP L2335 for that price... I don't like the look of the F2304 with the side speakers. Its going for cheaper than the Dell atm... and I'm fairly certain the HP has a higher production quality. If you're dead set on a 23-inch LCD... that looks like the best choice atm.

Sad thing is Turok... I really don't think there is a true 20+ inch gaming solution out there... in LCD monitors at least. I don't think pics will do you any justice.

I'm going to try the Viewsonic VP2000s (same model as the VP201s) and perhaps the BenQ FP2091 in the near future if I can find them at my local store. I'm thinking 1920x1200 gaming is a little overkill, so I'm going for a 20-incher if I can find a good one.

[Judaeus Apella]

I'll say it again, get a CRT. LCD's are for calculators. You're wasting all that money you put into that SLi set up, unless you get a CRT.

If everyone jumps off a bridge, are you going to as well? LCD's are just a fad, nothing more. CRT's are better for gaming, period. If you get one, you might as well get a dual core Prescott too. :stick:

[Kabouter]

I'll say it again, get a CRT. LCD's are for calculators. You're wasting all that money you put into that SLi set up, unless you get a CRT.

If everyone jumps off a bridge, are you going to as well? LCD's are just a fad, nothing more. CRT's are better for gaming, period. If you get one, you might as well get a dual core Prescott too. :stick:

Well, not everyone has a big enough room for a nice 22" CRT, if I did have enoguh room, I'd get one.

[Levish]

I'm happy with my 2005fpw but my fps use is limited, didn't notice any problems at all with HL2 (it's buttery smooth) and some Clipping with Doom3 probably just due to the framerate at the high resolution.

I just can sit in front of a CRT and game comfortably, I get eye strain quickly which I don't with LCD's.

Until a 8bit panel comes out that's significantly faster than 16ms I will stick with the LCD I Have

[Turok]

I'll say it again, get a CRT. LCD's are for calculators. You're wasting all that money you put into that SLi set up, unless you get a CRT.

If everyone jumps off a bridge, are you going to as well? LCD's are just a fad, nothing more. CRT's are better for gaming, period. If you get one, you might as well get a dual core Prescott too. :stick:

Dude, everyone knows this even tho they are using LCDs
The reason to get a LCD is for personal health.
CRT's are radioactive and get you eyes tired after extensive periods of time. I use a PC like 12 hours daily when Im too bored and dont have anything to do, and I dont feel its safe to have some lazers shooting at me for that extent of time. I always end up in the night with headaches and tired eyes.

I used to recommed people CRTs over LCD, but I realized the comfort of having a LCD. Its less stressing

I know CRT quality is way superior, but LCD's also look good and you can be really close to the screen and it wont get you tired at all (depending on the intensity of the back light)

I dont have the room for something over 19", I dont want to damage myself this way, and LCDs dont look that bad at all

BTW, prescots s :banana: :banana: k

[Turok]

Here are some more possible solutions:

First, what is FED and SED?
The specs on a SED lcd is awesome
Are those LCD's the ones that are printed out with CPU manufacturing techniques with nano tech and will provide easier production and a huge gain in peformance?
They will take long to release tho. You may see the first SED displays in 2006 :(

I made some more research and these 19" look like ***THE BEST*** LCDs for gaming

Viewsonic VP191B

This is the best of the best LCD,
there is no comparison

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/5412/191b9mw.gif
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=231744



Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+

Best LCD peformance and price wise

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/708/l90d6ni.gif
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=236003



If buying a 2005fpw or a 2405fpw is not a good idea, then Ill have to get one of these 19" LCD and make a change from 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF to 1280x1024 6xAA 16xAF on all my games. :(
It will still look good tho, maybe I wont even notice a difference :)

[Turok]

I'm happy with my 2005fpw but my fps use is limited, didn't notice any problems at all with HL2 (it's buttery smooth) and some Clipping with Doom3 probably just due to the framerate at the high resolution.

I just can sit in front of a CRT and game comfortably, I get eye strain quickly which I don't with LCD's.

Until a 8bit panel comes out that's significantly faster than 16ms I will stick with the LCD I Have

Levish, could you try taking pics when the LCD is ghosting?
How about some pics to see if its true that it has a view angle of 160 degree

Could you show the difference in aspect ratio 4:3, 16:10, and 16:9 (The monitor mod) running HL2 at 4:3, 16:10, and 16:9 (The game mod)?

The FED and SED monitors will probably be a hige improvement

[jinu117]

Thanks for the reply.

I dont really like Dells cheap quality and that they get stuff from samsung, but that could be a alternate option.
Good thing is that they have financing for all their products, so it could be a lot easier to purchase the LCD.



1) Do not believe in specs written. I've seen some :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty 16ms LCD and even shiiter 12ms. It's how it displays all gradients color and how well it behaves for purposes. Above mentioned DELL is excellent (20" 1600x1200). I have viewsonic VP201b which is basically using same panel and extremely satisified with it and I am an avid gamer.

2) Samsung is one of most expnesive LCD in market. They are not cheaply made... they are prestige line... and price do back it up. Dell has huge market to drive price down on this which they do well.

3) I've had diamontron plus CRT before this LCD. Contrast is better on high end CRT. Of course, high end CRT is as expensive or even more so than LCD is now for 20" viewable (had 22") As for ghosting, I can try to see ghosting but you might as well spin your gun around in CRT and find this "ghosting"... It's actually your eye that is kind of slow more so than fault of LCD on good ones. When it gets to this level, it is moot point to talk about.

4) 20" is the way to go for good system but if you want to play at native resolution and don't have something like 7800GTX for BF2, I suggest getting 19" LCD... X850XT PE was not sufficiently good enough for letting me play BF2 @ 1600x1200 at frames I like (It dips to 45 fps with avg 60fps or so on multiplayer game...7800gtx stays well above 60fps at any condition)

[Turok]

1) Do not believe in specs written. I've seen some :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty 16ms LCD and even shiiter 12ms. It's how it displays all gradients color and how well it behaves for purposes. Above mentioned DELL is excellent (20" 1600x1200). I have viewsonic VP201b which is basically using same panel and extremely satisified with it and I am an avid gamer.

No, im not trusting on specs here, im trusting on reviews and what people think about their LCD's
My possible option was a Dell 2405fpw, but I would really like to hear comments from users and tests to see if it ghosts.
Doom3 could probably be good for testing ghosting and contrast ratios , since it has a lot of darkness and ocasionally has a bright light, so you could move the screen arround looking at the light and then going to darkness to see the effect of Black to White response time.
FarCry could also be good for testing since it has a lot of color variation and a lot of details in the enviroment. Could be good for testing Grey to Grey response times


4) 20" is the way to go for good system but if you want to play at native resolution and don't have something like 7800GTX for BF2, I suggest getting 19" LCD... X850XT PE was not sufficiently good enough for letting me play BF2 @ 1600x1200 at frames I like (It dips to 45 fps with avg 60fps or so on multiplayer game...7800gtx stays well above 60fps at any condition)

Why do you say 45 fps is bad?
You cant notice any lag until you get below 30 fps.
Is this different with LCDs? :confused:

[Salahuddin]

I'll say it again, get a CRT. LCD's are for calculators. You're wasting all that money you put into that SLi set up, unless you get a CRT.

If everyone jumps off a bridge, are you going to as well? LCD's are just a fad, nothing more. CRT's are better for gaming, period. If you get one, you might as well get a dual core Prescott too. :stick:

Well I have a 21-inch Sony Trinitron already. Sure its great for gaming... but it causes me a lot of eye strain when using it for prolonged periods. Not to mention that its so incredibly heavy, I get scared of ever having to move it.

I've been an avid CRT supporter for many years after the introduction of LCDs. However, now I think its a good time to consider switching over. LCDs are not better for gaming than CRTs... but they are close. Close enough that considering their other benefits, its really not logical IMO to buy a $500+ CRT for gaming anymore.

With a CRT, you can game at any resolution, and you can have high refresh rates. Plus you have no ghosting, and the motion blur is minimal (motion blur ALSO exists on CRTs... people have the impression that ONLY LCDs have this issue... its just less on a CRT).

The truth however is, that most gaming will be done at 1600x1400 resolution or lower. Considering the introduction of HDR (High Dynamic Range Lighting) with new games like Half-Life 2... most people won't be able to game at higher than 1280x1024 if you use that (and HDR makes a game look much better than increasing the resolution). Even two 7800 GTXs in SLI have difficulty with HDR.

With a 19-inch gaming LCD, you're locked in at 1280x1024 resolution. Sure its not ideal... but that is pretty good resolution to game in. The ghosting and motion blur is not considerably noticeable at all now compared to CRTs. Besides... even though my Sony Trinitron is able to go to a much higher resolution, I prefer doing most things in 1280x1024 resolution (besides gaming).

If you want the extra resolution, you can go with a 20-21 inch LCD... but these LCDs are worse for ghosting and motion blur. There are mixed opinions on how significant this actually is... but if it does not interfere with competitive gaming (which I have to check for myself), I think it would be a fine choice over a CRT.

Not only that, but its next to impossible to find a GOOD gaming CRT anymore locally for most people (myself included). Most stores just carry crappy standard 19-inch and 17-inch displays. A good 21-inch display bought online will run you over $500-$600 bucks and offers roughly the same screen size as a 19-inch LCD... and the latter is now less expensive.

In my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to invest in gaming CRTs anymore... all things considered.

[Turok]

True Salahuddin :up:

You can look at a Apple Cinema HD in a Apple store tho.
I went to a Apple store near by to check out:
Apple 20" Cinema
Apple 23" Cinema HD
Apple 30" Cinema HD

They all looked really nice :slobber: and I didnt notice ghosting opening a window and moving it arround the screen, but that all I could test.
Reviews say the Dell 2005fpw is better than the Apple Cinemas and the 2405fpw is a improved 2005fpw, so its even bigger and better.

Here is a post from dnavarro in the "Best 23"/24"+ 1920x1200 LCD? (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67618)" thead.
Since hes had all these LCDs, I thought the 2405fpw was the definit decision.


Guys, the Dell 2405FPW is far and away better than the HP or the Apple. I know because I have had them all. Also, the DELL does not use the LG panel, it uses the new samsung 24" panel (this was confirmed at the Samsung website and pointed out at the HardOCP forums, the link escapes me at the moment). I actually sold my Samsung 240T (which is a great panel also just slower reponse) to get the Dell (which I got for 800 bucks when they had a crazy coupon in March). The Dell also is better than that other one you guys showed previously (the one nobody can find info about). It has a 500 cd brightness (the other was 400) and a 1000:1 contrast ratio (the other was a 800:1). And I tell you the difference was night and day when I first got mine. I noticed no screendoor effect whatsosver, extremely even blacks, awesome contrast. This was in comparison to my Samsung which was already an awesome monitor. Previously my Samsung 240T replaced the HP/Apple.

Trust me, you can't go wrong with the Dell. Just because the price is cheap doesn't mean it is not worth getting. The others (HP/Apple etc.) are just rip offs.

D

dnavarro, would be nice to read about some test in FPS games.
Could you test if you can see ghosting in FPS game?



Right now I think I know what Im going to do:

Plan A) If the 2405fpw is the better choice, Ill start a financing when money is available and when it has a good price. Ill stay with this screen until those SED LCDs start to show up

Plan B) If the 2405fpw is bad for gaming, I will get the ViewSonic 191b or the Hyundai L90D+. Ill do extensive research before deciding between the 191b and the L90D+ to see if spending the extra $100 is worth it for the ViewSonic model. Ill stay with this LCD until the SED LCDs start to show up

[Judaeus Apella]

Dude, everyone knows this even tho they are using LCDs
The reason to get a LCD is for personal health.
CRT's are radioactive and get you eyes tired after extensive periods of time. I use a PC like 12 hours daily when Im too bored and dont have anything to do, and I dont feel its safe to have some lazers shooting at me for that extent of time. I always end up in the night with headaches and tired eyes.


Thats why you get a screen with a protective layer on it, or buy one to put over it.

[Levish]

anti glare/reflective screens?

[dsecrieru]

Or a pair of protective glasses on your nose :).

[Levish]

I've had screens with those protective layers, those were the ones giving me headaches/eyestrain. Maybe they were improperly adjusted, but to get the colors right they did give me trouble.

As far as protective glasses, thank you but no.

[Turok]

Thats why you get a screen with a protective layer on it, or buy one to put over it.

Are you talking about those horrible glass layers that have a transparent black layer that prevents too much light from passing through?

Those things look horrible, video quality is lost when looking though them, and it wont do a sh :banana: :banana: to protect you from radiation.

[Turok]

I have this:
http://www.megashop.ch/shop/pic/16552.gif

its a hyandai ld90+ 19" 8ms, I sold a sceptre 16ms monitor to get it.. anything below 12ms good but I can definitly see a difference between 12 and 8ms. go with 8ms they are cheap enough where its worth the extra $. 4ms monitors are already available with pre order..

Do you notice any ghosting at all?
How are the colors?
For how much did you get it?

[ImportantAwareness89]

And how does the Samsung 930B stack up as a 19" Gaming 8ms LCD against the Viewsonic? Iknow the 191 is good, but the VX924... ehh

[Salahuddin]

And how does the Samsung 930B stack up as a 19" Gaming 8ms LCD against the Viewsonic? Iknow the 191 is good, but the VX924... ehh

On paper, the NEW 8ms V191B (there is an older version with the same name at 20ms), never gets above 16ms in response time across the board. The Samsung 930B uses the same panel as the Hyundai L90D+ and therefore probably has the same responsiveness... which is about 8ms in black/white transition, but can get up to 20-25ms in other areas. So technically the V191B is better for gaming, and people have attested to its improved response. However, some people (including the people at firingsquad) still found gaming to be more fluid on the 8ms Samsung TN panels... don't know why exactly.

If gaming is your only consideration, I would say both panels are close enough that the V191B doesn't necessarily justify the extra $100-$200 bucks. If watching movies, photo editing, or doing anything else on your PC is also important, the V191B is easily the better monitor.

Oh, and I would advise against the VX924. The 4ms timing is misleading, both the 930B and L90D+ have better response across the board (the VX924 gets above 30ms at times!). Plus people have commented that it has a problem with depicting fluid movements... there is some flaw that makes things appear jerky apparently. You can check out tomshardware.com and behardware.com for reviews.

[jinu117]

No, im not trusting on specs here, im trusting on reviews and what people think about their LCD's
My possible option was a Dell 2405fpw, but I would really like to hear comments from users and tests to see if it ghosts.
Doom3 could probably be good for testing ghosting and contrast ratios , since it has a lot of darkness and ocasionally has a bright light, so you could move the screen arround looking at the light and then going to darkness to see the effect of Black to White response time.
FarCry could also be good for testing since it has a lot of color variation and a lot of details in the enviroment. Could be good for testing Grey to Grey response times



Why do you say 45 fps is bad?
You cant notice any lag until you get below 30 fps.
Is this different with LCDs? :confused:

1) There are numerous happy VP201B and Dell for 20". Some not so happy reviews on 2405 though.

2) People saying 30fps is fine... isn't too competitive or too good where they don't even need to look at motions or adapt to it fast. You will often see people playing CS:S @ 800x600 just to keep the FPS up... oh well, think about it this way... this 30fps is "fine" idea is back from first broadcasting age. It is fine for typical things but when it gets to first person shooter of now a day, I definitely can notice the difference bettween 40fps and 60fps... (beyond that is not so tangible to my eye... maybe due to the fact monitor can't display that lol). Even when I had CRT, anything less than 60FPS was noticeble to me (now... 60->85 didn't get me anything more though even with 85mhz turned on...)

PS) on retrospect, I guess somepeople would abhorr the on board soudns for quality... which I don't have problem with... Probably same kind of finesse I want in my eye is for ears on others...

[Turok]

ok guys
Yesterday I went to CompUSA since it was the closest store with the PV201s.
I went there and they had it outside, but it was unpluged :rolleyes:
I was just able to take a pic, so here it is:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/42/pv201s8id.gif





I also went to the closest Best Buy to see if they had any good pannels.
The best they had was a 19" Sony SDM-HS95P/B.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5494/sonylcd7si.gif

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=cpu_Displays_FlatPanelLCDs_18%2 2&ProductSKU=SDMHS95P%2fB&TabName=feature&var2=

I was only able to test some simple animations to see the colors, and the colors look awesome.
I also tested response time. I didnt have a internet connection on that PC, so I tested by replicateing the red and grey box thing.
I made it look like this:
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6834/paint8vy.gif
I left the white line on the red box.
When I moved paint around the screen, I noticed only a bit of motion blur from the white edges to the grey box, the rest could be just a small amount of blurring from red to grey, but Im not sure. Im not saying it s**ks.
I wouldnt mind gaming on it, and the colors look awesome
Its rated at 12ms, so it shoudlnt be that bad for LCDs rated at 8ms. I wouldnt buy this LCD tho. Its too expensive for what it offers

[Soulburner]

I've done the same research and all I can say is a Dell 2405FPW will be sitting on my desk when I can afford it...

[ImportantAwareness89]

On paper, the NEW 8ms V191B (there is an older version with the same name at 20ms), never gets above 16ms in response time across the board. The Samsung 930B uses the same panel as the Hyundai L90D+ and therefore probably has the same responsiveness... which is about 8ms in black/white transition, but can get up to 20-25ms in other areas. So technically the V191B is better for gaming, and people have attested to its improved response. However, some people (including the people at firingsquad) still found gaming to be more fluid on the 8ms Samsung TN panels... don't know why exactly.

If gaming is your only consideration, I would say both panels are close enough that the V191B doesn't necessarily justify the extra $100-$200 bucks. If watching movies, photo editing, or doing anything else on your PC is also important, the V191B is easily the better monitor.

Oh, and I would advise against the VX924. The 4ms timing is misleading, both the 930B and L90D+ have better response across the board (the VX924 gets above 30ms at times!). Plus people have commented that it has a problem with depicting fluid movements... there is some flaw that makes things appear jerky apparently. You can check out tomshardware.com and behardware.com for reviews.


Thank you!!! I'll be doing a lot of stuff, so the VP191b would be my choice... unfortunately the cost........ grrrrrrr

[IYP]

well....then i guess the dell is the way to go?

[jhjm40]

IPS(16~25ms)&VA Overdrive(GTG12ms) best!

[Turok]

IPS(16~25ms)&VA Overdrive(GTG12ms) best!

I dont quite understand what's this :confused:

[Salahuddin]

Originally Posted by jhjm40
IPS(16~25ms)&VA Overdrive(GTG12ms) best!
I dont quite understand what's this :confused:

It is either the "stated" response time for the Dell 2005FPW, or Dell 2405FPW, can't exactly tell which one he is referring to. The Dell 2001FP is a 16ms S-IPS panel, and the Dell 2005FPW is a 16ms S-IPS panel with Overdrive technology that should theoretically push it to 12ms. However, all objective tests of Overdrive technology on S-IPS panels have shown that there is no significant difference between the response time of the Dell 2001FP and 2005FPW regardless of the "stated" difference. Overdrive technology does not seem to offer much, at least for S-IPS panels and PVA panels.

However, if you compare this to the Dell 2405FPW, it is a 16ms PVA panel, and therefore should have a slower response rate than the two Dell models mentioned above (because PVA panels are the slowest of the three panels, namely S-IPS, PVA and TN). It too has Overdrive technology that can push it to 12ms, but this has been show to be insignificant just as with S-IPS panels (see one report here: http://www.behardware.com/articles/567-2/23-and-24-lcd-monitors-roundup.html).

So, in terms of response time for gaming, the Dell 2001FP and 2005FPW are the best choices.

[s0ulfly]

i have been using both dell ( 2005 and 2405 ) and i only notice a little ghosting player ut2k4 but it wont bother me, now i need to buy one i think i will aim for the 2405

[Turok]

i have been using both dell ( 2005 and 2405 ) and i only notice a little ghosting player ut2k4 but it wont bother me, now i need to buy one i think i will aim for the 2405

So you have both 2005fpw and 2405fpw and you want to buy another 2405fpw?

If you have the 2005fpw and 2405fpw, which one ghosts more and which one has a better image quality?

[s0ulfly]

So you have both 2005fpw and 2405fpw and you want to buy another 2405fpw?

If you have the 2005fpw and 2405fpw, which one ghosts more and which one has a better image quality?

i wish i have both :p: i have been trying them a friend of mine owns both, i have used the 2005 for more time and i cant realy see mayor ghosting (only a little in ut2k4) y played nfsu2 on the 2405 last night and 0 ghost, both are exelent lcds ima buy myself a 2005 next month ( i could buy a 2405 but if i do ima get my ass kicked by my family ), about the image quality i have a viewsonic p95f+b at home and comparing it to the 2005(watching the same movie) the dell lcd owns my viewsonic

[Turok]

i wish i have both :p: i have been trying them a friend of mine owns both, i have used the 2005 for more time and i cant realy see mayor ghosting (only a little in ut2k4) y played nfsu2 on the 2405 last night and 0 ghost, both are exelent lcds ima buy myself a 2005 next month ( i could buy a 2405 but if i do ima get my ass kicked by my family ), about the image quality i have a viewsonic p95f+b at home and comparing it to the 2005(watching the same movie) the dell lcd owns my viewsonic

The 2405fpw has a higher contrast ratio. Do the blacks and whites look better on your friend's 2405fpw?
And compareing the 2005fpw and 2405fpw, which one has a better image quality? (Compareing brigtness, darkness, color pureness, sharpness, etc.)
Any motion blur (does it get blury when moving the camera fast)

Thanks for the reply s0ulfly. Its hard to find a 2405fpw coments in these forum since everyone uses most of their money on a phase change unit, or 2x 7800gtx, or x2 4800+ CPUs :(

[s0ulfly]

i think i will need to use my friend 2405 to aswer those questions right :P
About the motion blur i didnt notice any on nfsu2 only played that game but my friend told me he didnt saw anything anoying playing bf2, i think i will visit him this weekend and check those things about image quality.

play warcraft 3 and watch mtv in the same screen < priceless, i LOVE the PiP feature on this lcd