My new Ln2/Co2 container and various junk..

[ilkkahy]

Here is i pic of my newest creation. It looks rather innocent and havent been lapped yet but here it is anyway:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/tappajakippo%204.JPG

But then studied more carefully the brutal merciless construction comes to light...
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/tappajakippo%206.JPG

And here it is as totally exposed:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/tappajakippo%202.jpg


I think it should handle the heat well. Here are some pictures of that similar other junk i have making in past year:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/


Those lighter containers work pretty well also tough.. I made this for Dani since he wanted something special.

[Waus-mod]

Verry very nice container!

[Dani]

Thanks mate!! :toast:

I got my 2x3200+ Venice's, one of those do SP32M 2921MHz @ 1.64V with Zalman 7700cu
The second one is Primeing just now for 17h @ 2823MHz 1.64Vcore

:toast:

[Jort]

sweet dani;)

i am looking towards the performance ;)

[gloatlizard]

ilkkahy that container is very well done, but tell me a thing, that block on the center is soldered like it seems?

gloatlizard

[Dani]

3200+ Venice 0517BPDW is StressPriming now for 2906MHz @ 1.64 1h30min on aircooling, trying for 24h

Im waiting for that monser of copperness :toast:

[ilkkahy]

Yeah its soldered. Its not near as good as if the whole bottom would be machined from huge single block but thats just out of the question. I could notice slightly different behaviour already when soldering it together compared to previous lighter containers.

I got it finished and packed up for sendig to Dani tomorrow.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/tappajakippo%209.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/tappajakippo%2010.jpg

[[XC] moddolicous]

Nice container. Cant wait to see some results Dani. Get that venice up to 3.5 or something and get 24's pi.

[Rauf]

nice container! to bad it's solderd though, but still nice!!!

[ilkkahy]

Today I got myself some new materials and just couldnt help myself making a new base for container. I call it thy iron cross ...

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/rautaristi%20001.jpg

It should work ok but there arent quite as much surface area as id like there to be (about 75cm^2 + pipe). On the other hand that surface area works with dryice wich is the whole idea.

[Dani]

Today I got myself some new materials and just couldnt help myself making a new base for container. I call it thy iron cross ...

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/rautaristi%20001.jpg

Yeah, that's sick :woot: :fact:

[[XC] moddolicous]

Today I got myself some new materials and just couldnt help myself making a new base for container. I call it thy iron cross ...

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/rautaristi%20001.jpg

It should work ok but there arent quite as much surface area as id like there to be (about 75cm^2 + pipe). On the other hand that surface area works with dryice wich is the whole idea.
That looks really cool. I cant wait to see some results.

[ilkkahy]

ilkkahy that container is very well done, but tell me a thing, that block on the center is soldered like it seems?

gloatlizard

Now that I have learnt some new dictionary I correct that it has been brazed with FOSCO (fosfor copper something) as all my containers.

Ill build that ironcross container to one piece in tuesday i think. I add that basic idea in that desing is the three dimensional in heat spreading. So the rather small 75cm^2 surface area in that base is well effective surface area.

[ilkkahy]

Here is my newest container project.

Idea:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/co2%20container%20plan.JPG

And the parts i just made for it:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%202.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%203.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%201.jpg

The hard part is to find out optimal pressure for R1150. I tought about boiling point would be somewhere in -60c. Container itself will propably be in one piece today but it wont be functional in some time. Hatemi promised to fill the heatpipe since he had some R1150 already.. praise him for that!

If we get this thing to work it might be pretty effective for dryice ;)

[wdrzal]

Here is my newest container project.

Idea:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/co2%20container%20plan.JPG

And the parts i just made for it:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%202.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%203.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%201.jpg

The hard part is to find out optimal pressure for R1150. I tought about boiling point would be somewhere in -60c. Container itself will propably be in one piece today but it wont be functional in some time. Hatemi promised to fill the heatpipe since he had some R1150 already.. praise him for that!

If we get this thing to work it might be pretty effective for dryice ;)


just look at a pressure/temp chart, it will give the pressure for a given temp.

ps: you do very nice work. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Dani]

Here is my newest container project.

Idea:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/co2%20container%20plan.JPG

And the parts i just made for it:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%202.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%203.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%201.jpg

The hard part is to find out optimal pressure for R1150. I tought about boiling point would be somewhere in -60c. Container itself will propably be in one piece today but it wont be functional in some time. Hatemi promised to fill the heatpipe since he had some R1150 already.. praise him for that!

If we get this thing to work it might be pretty effective for dryice ;)

WOW, this is what I call "XTREME" :fact:

[gloatlizard]

ilkkahy i've read that the container of the stilt has been done from you,you have some photos or you remember how it was been?let me know thanks;)

[ilkkahy]

Yes I have made it as well as the container wich was used in Verdicts world record. Im going to build one similar container in this week so I can make little instructions for making one. Its very easy to make if you have access to lathe and usual tools.

Its like this:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/Socket.A%204.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/uudet%20kupit.jpg

Havent brazed that heatpipe container yet.. today ill get into it for sure.

[Dani]

Heh, ilkkahy ROXXX :toast: :toast:

Here is he's monster of copperness he did to me

Container standing (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kippo%20pystyss%e4.JPG)
Inside container (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kippo%20sis%e4lt%e4.JPG)
Inside container2 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kippo%20sis%e4lt%e42.JPG)
Bottom (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kipon%20pohja.JPG)
Bottom2 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kipon%20pohja2.JPG)
Container match (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kippo%20sopii.JPG) with my test rig :worship:

..I must pimp't to match my test rig :woot:

[ilkkahy]

Hahaha.. looks like the monster has developed itself a fur! Looks warm and coazy though :cool:

I got that heatpipe container brazed today:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%205.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%206.jpg

Bad thing that I may need to change the refrigant valve so its not going to be finished quite yet.

Oh and here is a better pic from the base:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%204.jpg

Time will show...

[Dani]

Hehheh, yep, I dressed her if she gonna get some cold :shrug: :lol:

I hope your heatpipe container will work, it seems to be a little bit, hmm, different CO2/LN2 container :stick:

Here is your old container compared to the new :toast:

- New and old (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Uus%20ja%20vanha%20kippo.JPG)
- Inside the new one and old (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kipot%20sis%e4lt%e4.JPG)
- and bottom (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/Kippojen%20pohjat.JPG)

[ilkkahy]

Here is the modest instructions to build a working container if you dont want to try it many times. Its all in few very illustrative pictures :banana:

building a container for retards (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/non%20verbal%20instructions.JPG)

All you need is lathe and rälläkkä (http://www.hhtuonti.fi/tuotteet/sahkotyokalut/flex-kulmahiomakoneet.htm) (i really dont know that tools name in english).


I got the heatpipe container finished and its now ready for filling. And to remind its only for dryice use (not Ln2).

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/heatpipe%20co2%20container%208.jpg

[NiCKE^]

I'm going to buy a container from Stinger on monday, it's made by chefnr1. Stinger and McMurphy made the design.

[gloatlizard]

you do very nice containers,well done bro;)

[gloatlizard]

ah,i've a question,how is high the base of the stilt's container?thanks

[Jort]

I'm going to buy a container from Stinger on monday, it's made by chefnr1. Stinger and McMurphy made the design.

is that an alu holddown? insulate it well or replace with sintra, ertalite, or wood :)

[ilkkahy]

Base is 13mm thick (minus those grooves) and the pipe is 60/64mm (2mm thick). I wouldnt go much smaller in base thickness nor the pipes diameter. I also wouldnt use so long pipes as i see many times in these forums. I find about 25cm to have enough volume and pretty symmetrical with pipe diameter. Also 0.5m tube will have bigger thermal loss and it wont improve cooling power at all (unless the base is all messed up). The socket-A container Dani posted pictures of is only 18cm long wich is bit too small in practice. But that was my very first container so forgive me for that :D

I myself dont overclock with dryice or ln2 yet. Mostly because my rig is always so outdated. So i try to improve containers with the feedback i get (ok only changes in two or three things so far). However if this heatpipe container works ill punish my Xp2500+ with all the inhumane ways man can imagine.

[NiCKE^]

Jort, I don't really know since I don't got it but I will ask :D

[gloatlizard]

ilkkahy you mean that the base at the beginning was 13mm thick and after you have don that grooves?is it alrite?however that thickness seems to be the best...probably for my new container i will choose a 1,5 - 2cm thick base;)

[ilkkahy]

Yes its only 13mm at the beginnig as you said. I think 15-20mm sounds good too specially if you makes similar grooves or drill holes on it for extra surface area. However if you make it too thick it will reduce cooling power. I dont think mass is as important factor as effective cooling power. As long as temps wont bounce too much at least (wich will also happen with too thick bottom).

I had little argument about this subject once and here is my point of view. I dont really know this for sure because also containers cooling power will be added in real life and other factors too. But maybe it gives some clue..

Lets assume you have 2kg container made of solid copper cooling cpu that produces 150w heat for 4min. 4*60*150=36000 (36kj is produced during SuperPi run). Coppers thermal capacity: 0.387kj*2=0.774kj (this is the amount of energy needed for heating container 1 kelvin). 36/0.774=46.5. So your 2kg container would heat up 46c only with its thermal capacity.

[ilkkahy]

Here is my Ln2 container. I hope ill get to use it some day. I had to make few compromises due lack of machinery but i think it will do its job really fine.



snowflake 1 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/hiutale%201.jpg)
snowflake 2 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/hiutale%202.jpg)
snowflake 3 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/hiutale%203.jpg)

Original desing would have been to make base similar to this kind of cooler:
"star-desing" (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article170-page1.html)

But if i made that base would have been made like that with a saw i would had needed to braze it together from two pieces and i didint want to get all that trouble.

ps.gloatlizard will have one kickass Ln2 container i belive... ;)

[Dani]

Next week I hope to have some time to try this 3200+ Venice with CO2, must check contact between CopperMonster and CPU
Picture (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/3200+%20Venice%20ja%20CO2.JPG) :)


This CPU did 3246MHz with VapoChill LS so I hope I can break 3.40GHz with CO2:rolleyes:
Screenshot (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/3200+%20Venice/0517BPEW/Venice%203200+%20VapoChill%20LS%203246MHz%20SP8M%2 01.69V.gif)

[ilkkahy]

That must be one of the best looking Co2/Ln2 setups i have seen.

I made a chipset container today. Nothing special. Its just 50mm pipe. I failed to make those grooves in straight line to bottom. Doesnt matter... for a chipset cooler its still luxurious enough.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/chipset%201.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/chipset%202.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/chipset%203.jpg

I have my thumbs up for you Dani and to Boble(the destroyer) too (he was going to do some Co2 burning in few days also?) :)

edit: I modified that chipset container little bit to make sure it fits on the motherboard:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ilkkahy/ln2&co2%20kupit/chipset%204.JPG

[Dani]

Next week I hope to have some time to try this 3200+ Venice with CO2, must check contact between CopperMonster and CPU
Picture (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/Kuparikipot/3200+%20Venice%20ja%20CO2.JPG) :)

Contact was/is perfect!
Just tested to fire it up, 2400MHz 1.45Vcore in BIOS for 15min. and CPU Temp just jumping between 46-48ºC :woot:
..it's so quite with 2 fans (in PSU) :slobber:

[paakkis]

Is that chipset container same one what is coming to my board?

[ilkkahy]

Contact was/is perfect!
Just tested to fire it up, 2400MHz 1.45Vcore in BIOS for 15min. and CPU Temp just jumping between 46-48ºC :woot:
..it's so quite with 2 fans (in PSU) :slobber:

Maybe i should try selling them as a passive coolers? :p:

Indeed that is you container paakkis. I decided to take off some that useless material from the base when i heard its going to be used with Abit.

Its going to do its job fine i think. Some people use 50mm pipe for cpu. I think its more like a chipset size. In fact as writing this i just measured the diameter and it was 54mm... :confused: that was a suprise. If it doesnt fit ill make and send you one that does.

Next week is going to be exiting. Ill send that chipset container for paakkis and heatpipe container (and also comparison container) to hatemi tomorrow.

[Dani]

My CPU have coldbud issue, did'nt run stable over 3210MHz with DI, with Vapo LS I could run SP8M almost 3254MHz :( :( :(

But this coppermonster is just superb, here is temps:

- 2.4GHz 1.45V in BIOS (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/3200+%20Venice/0517BPEW/CO2/2400MHz%201.45V%20BIOS.JPG)
- 3202MHz 1.70V SP8M (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/3200+%20Venice/0517BPEW/CO2/3202MHz%201.70V%20SP8M.JPG)

..and then I found that stupid coldbug and started to have fun with DI

- My name (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/3200+%20Venice/0517BPEW/CO2/Piippu%20lumessa.JPG)
- Hot water and DI (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/3200+%20Venice/0517BPEW/CO2/Kuivista%20lavuaarissa.JPG)

..and so on, here is the folder (http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nForce4%20Ultra-D/3200+%20Venice/0517BPEW/CO2/)

[ilkkahy]

Thats was quite a dissapointment :( I was looking forward to see some kickass results. Everything seemed perfect for it to happen.

What were the load temps with Vapochill? Whats a coldbug?

Good thing is that i finally got the heapipe container mailed.

[Dani]

Im very unhappy too about that stupid coldbug :( :mad:
But that CPU is sold now :toast:

Coldbug=stupid CPU don't work when temperature drops e.g under -40ºC, it just freeze
Like my CPU, 3200MHz worked nice and well but when SP8M was finishes and CPU IDLEd=CPU temp went down under -40ºC and *ZUMP*, just freeze...

VapoChill had something -30ºC IDLE, that's why it worked nice and clean