Overclocking Bible: Post your comments/questions here!

[MrSeanKon]

This program is based on Mathematical algorithms and it will be useful if you follow some instructions :)
It is something like calculator.
For example it predicts the next Maximum Stable Frequency of your CPU, RAM, chipset you can optimize your memory timmings, calculate the recommended PSU etc...
AMD and Intel users can use it.

P.S.
1) You must install Microsoft Framework otherwise program cannot run. :nono:
2) Programs are freeware (forever)

Post here questions for OcBible programming (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110295)

Questions for CPU Stretcher (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73766)

Questions for A64 suggester (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74711)

[MrSeanKon]

Here is an explanation of BIOS beeps..

AMI BIOS:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32004

Award BIOS:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32007

Phoenix BIOS:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008

[MrSeanKon]

How we can turn on our PSU without connecting to mainboard? :rolleyes:

First we need a semi naked wire:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32011

So connect this wire between green and black ATX hole.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32012

Tip:
This process is very useful in case you need to check if your PSU is dead. :D

[MrSeanKon]

First you need a free PSU molex (look this photo).

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32013

The Red probe of multimeter measures the positive voltage and the black the negative.
So connect these probes between yellow cable (+12V) and black cable (ground --> zero voltage)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32014

Similar measure +5V (red - black):

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32015

[MrSeanKon]

This photo shows the voltage between red and yellow.
Note I put probes in inverse order :D that's why you see a negative value.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32016

Here is 6pin molex.
Orange cable is +3.3Volts.
So orange-black gives you the answer "How is my +3.3 PSU voltage??"

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32018

[MrSeanKon]

And you want 3 digits precision?
Mutimeters measure voltages in [0, 2] area with 3 digits.
So if I want 3 digits for +5 PSU voltage? :rolleyes:

Use a naked wire like before.
Then put it on bottom of a +1.5V battery.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32019

Measure battery first:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32020

[MrSeanKon]

Measure orange-battery positive pole

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32021

It was 1.961 Volts.
So +3.3V is 1.450+1.961=3.411Volts

Measure red-orange:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32022

Thus +5V is 3.411+1.769=5.180 :D Volts!

Note:
This is not necessary if you have a high precision multimeter or an oscillator.
Both of them are expensive.. :slobber:

[MrSeanKon]

Left of CPU socket located some black chips known as MOSFETs.
Each of them has three pins.
The first is positive Vcore.
So put red probe on it warning your hand must be steady otherwise your mainboard will burn! :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32023

The black probe of multimeter we put on PC chassis for reference ground.
The value was 1.756V.

If we put the red probe on middle pin we measure the negative voltage.
The value was 0.012V.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32024

Thus my Vcore is 1.756-0.012=1.744.

Tip:
If we cannot put probe on a MOSFET we can measure Vcore on coil.
Nodes are located on the back of mainboard.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32025

[MrSeanKon]

Similarly we can measure Vdimm if we find the proper MOSFET around memory slots.
Of course on the back of mainboard like coil we can measure Vdimm too.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32026

Tip:
You have to seek a bit to find the proper MOSFETs.
This photo shows my mainboard's chipset (gold heatsink) but the shown MOSFET does not give Vdd.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32027

The MOSFET is here (it be shown with a blue tube)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32028

White arrow shows a MOSFET where I measured Vcc_HT.
Note AGP slot is green.

[mike]

Awesome Post! Welcome to the board!

[Skinny13]

excellent thread mr sean

sticky vote from me since I haven't seen a thread like this in xs

[MrSeanKon]

Thank you mikeguava! :toast:
Although I am AMD user my program (OK some features do not work be patient) it works for Intel processors too. :)
Well sometimes a load such as an old hard disk or a fan is required for the PSU to boot for the method discussed above.

[gfa3]

stickey vote from me too.very usefull thread i've seen things i always wanted to do but never had a reference image or guide with fotos like these

[MrSeanKon]

System was:
CPU: AMD Barton 2800+.
Multiplier: 12.5X (locked CPU).
Mainboard: ABIT NF7-S v2.0 nForce2 chipset.
BIOS version: Normal (not modded).
Memory: 1 X 512 MB TwinMOS PC3200 CL2.5.
Timings: 2.5-4-4-8 (CL3.0 did not boot) divider was 50%.
Vdimm: 2.984 Volts cos I want 100% stable RAM.
PSU: Antec True Power 430 Watts.
Cooling: Air cooled by SLK 947U.
Voltages measured with a multimeter (at full load).

The following table shows all necessary data:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31538

Step 1:
Set voltage around default (factory) value.
All Bartons have Vcore=1.650 so the closest setting in BIOS was 1.65.
Note this mainboard undervoltage Vcore a bit (1.639 < 1.65).

Step 2:
AMD launched the highest Barton 3200+ (2.2 GHz real speed).
Thus, it is very possible for this processor to reach this speed if cooling is good (not necessary watercooling).
2200 --> 12.5 X 176 --> I set 176 FSB in BIOS.
I do not use any programs for overclocking via Windows (on the fly).
Tip:
If cooling was something extreme e.g. Prometeia, Vapochill, phase change then user must seek for first MSF in an upper area.
For temperatures around -15C first MSF is almost 160 MHz more (2200 + 160 = 2360 MHz) and around -30C first MSF is 200 – 220 MHz more.
This analysis works fine for any AMD up to A64 754.
I reckon it works fine for 939s too (I have not tested A64 939).

Step three:
nForce2 chipset runs OK (nVidia specifications) at least at 200 MHz.
This means no worry if CPU runs < 12.5 X 200 = 2.5 GHz.

Step four:
Set divider and relax memory timings.
Of course some combinations maybe not work.
This point requires experience and you have to check some combinations.
Sometimes system hangs during startup and you hear beep codes.

Step five:
Choose a CPU stability program.
For example S&M quick test, Prime95 (up to ten minutes) or SuperPi 4M.
It is very important to understand that you must not spend much time at this step.
This method called “Mapping method” and you save time!
Mapping method works fine for any system (AMD/Intel).

Step six:
I started 12.5 X 176 MHz and the stability program was SuperPi 4M.
Of course, system passes this test.
Reboot and set 12.5 X 177 = 2212 MHz (passed).
12.5 X 178, 12.5 X 179, 12.5 X 180, 12.5 X 181, 12.5 X 182 passed.
Reboot and set 12.5 X 183 = 2288 MHz SuperPi 4M failed.
Thus, MSF is 2278 MHz or 12.5 X 182 as table shows.
This is the most important step for “Mapping method”.
As you can see, I tried eight combinations (176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182 and 183) for FSB and step was 1 MHz.
SuperPi 4M runs up to four minutes for Barton systems.
Therefore, I spent 4 * 8 = 32 minutes only (Jesus what a waste time)! :woot:

[MrSeanKon]

Step seven:
If your AMD is different from my samples you must find the second MSF like above.
In addition, you must run General CPU speed estimator.
Sorry I cannot buy any AMD CPU….
However, you can save more time at this point if you use your experience and O/c Analyzer find frequency FSB.
Set n = 1 (linear), 0.75, 0.5 (square) and 0.333 (cubic) and compute estimated MSFs:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31539
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31540
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31541
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31542

Reboot system set Vcore = 1.693 (1.700 in BIOS) and 12.5 X 188 = 2354 MHz --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot (Vcore = 1.693 always) and 12.5 X 187 = 2335 MHz --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot, 12.5 X 185 = 2316 MHz --> SuperPi 4M passed!
It 100% clear which is the next MSF!
Reboot 12.5 X 186 (last chance) --> SuperPi 4M passed!
Thus MSF2 = 2327 MHz!
In general, FSB is not integer (2327 = 12.5 X 186.16).
Therefore, I spent 4 * 4 = 16 minutes only (God what a waste time)! :woot:

[MrSeanKon]

Step eight:
Now we are ready to run General CPU speed estimator.
We enter data as photo shows:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31543

Status bar prints a warning.
Therefore, you must not enter higher voltage from 1.798.
Reboot system set Vcore = 1.798 (1.800 in BIOS) and 2450 = 12.5 X 196.
2450 MHz is the upper limit so at this point we start seeking from upper limit.
SuperPi 4M failed of course.
Reboot system (Vcore = 1.798 always) and 12.5 X 195 --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot 12.5 X 194 --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot 12.5 X 193 --> SuperPi 4M failed (damn)…
Reboot 12.5 X 192 --> SuperPi 4M passed! --> MSF3 = 2.4 GHz!
Remember that C.C. is always 100% at this point.

Step nine:
I continued like above.
If Vcore > +15% of default (factory value) then CPU work in breakdown region.
In general, it is difficult to estimate next MSFs because of exponent n changes rapidly.
1.899 is 1.899 / 1.650 --> 1.1509 --> 15.09% higher from default Barton Vcore.
Anyway, let’s try!
Nevertheless, it is very important to see what is going on.
O/c Analyzer find exponents give us many info!
We enter three pairs first:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31544

Results are here:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31545

As you can see, n was 0.657 and became 0.568.
This very normal because increase Vcore --> exponent n decreases.
Thus, MSF1 --> MSF4 has exponent up to 0.568!
Let’s run O/c Analyzer find frequency FSB again:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31546

Estimated MSF is 2477 MHz.

[MrSeanKon]

Let’s run General CPU speed estimator now:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31547

Well upper limit is 2508 MHz and lower limit is 2449 MHz.
O/c Analyzer find frequency FSB predicted 2477 MHz so it is very possible 2449 < MSF4 < 2477 MHz.
LOL BAN [2477, 2508] area to save time!
It is impossible from MSF1 --> MSF4 n > 0.568 I have tested many CPUs trust me but I am not a magician of course!
We expect n < 0.568 but we do not know the exact value.
Many phenomena follow Gaussian distribution so it is not wrong if we apply these ideas.
By the way, we cannot express this complex phenomenon using only Mathematics needs test.
Gaussian distribution determinates mean value which is (a + b) / 2.
(2449 + 2477) / 2 --> 2463 MHz.
Reboot system, Vcore = 1.899 speed 12.5 X 197 = 2463 MHz --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot system, Vcore = 1.899 speed 12.5 X 196 = 2450 MHz --> SuperPi 4M passed --> MSF4 = 2450 MHz!
Two combinations only! Whoopee!

Step ten:
Next Vcore (see table above) was 2.020 Volts a very high voltage.
It is 2.02 / 1.65 --> +22.42% higher from default Vcore.
In this case n <= 0.333 (cubic) in many cases.
Let’s run O/c Analyzer exponents:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31548
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31549

O/c Analyzer find frequency FSB:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31550

Reboot system, Vcore = 2.020 (2.100 in BIOS --> undervoltage) speed 12.5 X 200 = 2504 MHz --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot system, Vcore = 2.020 speed 12.5 X 199 = 2488 MHz --> SuperPi 4M failed.
Reboot system, Vcore = 2.020 speed 12.5 X 198 = 2475 MHz --> SuperPi 4M passed.
Nevertheless, as I said above in many cases FSB is a float number --> MSF5 --> 12.5 X 198 = 2475 MHz (in BIOS) --> 2483 MHz CPUz showed.

This is the end!
We finish buddies!
As you can understand I spend less than 2 hours!

Step eleven:
Now we choose a Vcore for permanent usage.
It depends on you (see polls ask your friends etc)…
Assume I choose Vcore3 = 1.798 Volts.
MSF3 was 2401 MHz but stress time was small too.
OK at this point I have to run a stability tester for more time.
I did not set 12.5 X 192 = 2.4 GHz.
It is obvious MSF3 computed for a small period.
In general final MSF (long period stretching) is 2 - 3 MHz lower.
I checked this system and it failed after 5 hours at 12.5 X 190 but at 12.5 X 189 worked fine (24 hours Prime95).
“Mapping method” is the basis of O/c Bible.
You save money and time of course.

[MrSeanKon]

Someone could ask: :rolleyes:
Why do not use General CPU speed estimator at step ten?
Is it wrong?
The answer has relation with extrapolation and divergence.
Unfortunately, model function is not smooth.
If you compute differentials you see they change.
Similar computations performed by O/c Analyzer exponents.
Thus if % loss changes rapidly any numerical method is not accurate.
In this case, you must use piecewise functions or “Pade” type models but it is too hard to explain it here.
On the other hand, it is stupid for everyone to spend time in order computation error become small.
Let’s input the first 3 pairs:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31551

Status bar prints warning message again.
Note that second model has the biggest C.C.
Really lower value of second model (2507 MHz) is nearer to result (2483 MHz) from others.
LOL let’s BAN first pair:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31552

Again second model has the biggest C.C. etc….

LOL let’s BAN second pair:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31553

Although status bar prints warning second model lower limit is near to MSF5.
Now let’s compute exponents:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31554
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31555

Note MSF1 --> MSF3 loss = 13.6%, MSF1 --> MSF4 loss = 23.4% --> loss increase = 23.4 - 13.6 = 9.8%.
MSF1 --> MSF5 loss = 37.3 --> loss increase = 37.3 - 23.4 = 13.9% > 9.8%.

[MrSeanKon]

Of course we can compute partial exponents cos until now we have computed total n.
I mean exponents from MSF2 --> MSF3, MSF3 --> MSF4, MSF4 --> MSF5, MSF3 --> MSF5.

MSF3 --> MSF4 exponent is:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31556

MSF4 --> MSF5 n is:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31557

MSF3 --> MSF5 n is:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31558

Here % loss is high.
That's the reason why we must BAN LOL some initial pairs in order computation error be as small as possible.

Conclusion
1) Do not increase voltage too much.
Step should be smaller than 6% of default Vcore.
Thus for A64 754 socket step should be 1.5 * 0.06 = 0.09V.
Which means if Vcore1= 1.489Volts the next Vcore2 should be 1.489 < Vcore2 < 1.579 = 1.489+0.09.
2) It is high recommended to seek first MSF setting Vcore1 around default Vcore.
As you saw table shows that Vcore1 was 1.639 (almost 1.650 --> Barton default Vcore).
3) RAM + chipset must be 100% stable otherwise all estimators fail.

[MrSeanKon]

what is this error? :stick:
clr error: 80004005
the program will now terminate

aja you must install the Microsoft Framework v1.1 (look first post for link).
OK read instructions sorry for my English it is not my first language. :(
We are planning for a web page in the future me and other members want to be this program useful for all o/cers around the world! :clap:

[aja]

aja you must install the Microsoft Framework v1.1 (look first post for link).
OK read instructions sorry for my English it is not my first language. :(
We are planning for a web page in the future me and other members want to be this program useful for all o/cers around the world! :clap:


this problem arose after i installed the framework 1.1 thing.....

but it';s working now, for some reason it was set to windows95 compatability mode :confused:

but disabled it and now it works fine

[Athens[2004]]

awesome Sir ,.

[rahssan]

Nice dude, nice, keep up the good work!

[MrSeanKon]

Thanks Athens2004 + rahssan! :)

The user aja means this:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37023

The solution is simple:
Right click on Oc_Bible executable icon.
Then choose properties in Tab box and uncheck this option (see mouse arrow):

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37024

Program runs OK at Windows 2000 (if your system has the requirements --> see first post) but I do not care :p: if it runs OK at older Windows versions.

[Overconfidence]

Damn, and I was making a site called "The Overclocker's Bible" =P.

I trust I'll still be able to use the name, though. >_>; Or not...

Awesome proggy though.

[MrSeanKon]

No matter mate! :toast:
You can use this name!
I don't have any problems!
Our site there is different OK only program's name is O/c Bible not site.. :D
And of course we can co-operate in the future. :)

[TMM]

No offense, but this looks like a complete waste of time (the program, the guides look good tho). Overclocking is 99% luck. The only way to know what your CPU will overclock to is to just overclock it...

[MrSeanKon]

It is not waste time.
An American proverb says "Never waste time"....
This program is based on steps and you must follow them otherwise is not useful.
The only thing is patience and if you read my "CPU burn-in guide" I spent about 2 hours and I filled my first map with many measurements so where is waste time? :rolleyes:
If someone thinks that a multimeter or MSF is something special then he/she must delete this program and never download it again.
OK I know that all CPUs are not same but if you see n becoming smaller and so on what you will expect?
On the other hand this package includes many other programs useful for novices e.g. PSU Estimator, Unit converter, O/C analyzer (OK don't use my estimators but after input your MSFs) etc...

[Skinny13]

question
where to put the probes in order to multimeter the abit nf7?

[TMM]

What im saying is... if your main mission is to save time, run it on the highest volts you are happy with running, put your ram on a divider, lower LDT to 3x if on A64, and raise the FSB in 5mhz steps from about 20mhz over clock (i.e. start from 220mhz fsb if 200mhz fsb is stock) until superpi or Prime95 start failing. Then raise your memory divider to one that it can handle without making superpi/prime fail. Seems more logical then wasting time using some program.

[MrSeanKon]

where to put the probes in order to multimeter the abit nf7?Ι don't have ABIT like yours now as you know.
I reckon that the proper MOSFET is the first one or the second.
Follow the instructions in previous page if you measure something quite different than Vcore value in BIOS then it is not the proper MOSFET.
Seek! :D

TMM OK I read your post; this is an another idea. :)
Bumping Vcore to maximum value does not gives your CPU response.
For example current CPU is 32M SuperPi stable at 2670MHz, Vcore1=1.663, with Vcore2=1.744 is stable at 2710 MHz and for Vcore3=1.816 --> 2730MHz.
So n is very small.
That's why I persist to find (MSFs, Vcores).

[MrSeanKon]

Let's start about subzero cooling! :toast:



hehe I made 2 other interesting shots. How the Prommi will be on 200W - do I have room? YES!
http://www.casextreme.net/pixx/otherz/200w.jpg

But how reliable is it - lets check it with ONLY 2 values, we know that I have -35°C display temp at 3106MHZ (1.75V) but what does the holy bible says?
http://www.casextreme.net/pixx/otherz/160w.jpg
-34.2 when entering 123.2 as a value instead of 123
^^ less than 1°C difference is not worth the mention - this is as exact as hell :D

Regards
SoF

[MrSeanKon]

And now my reply SoF!
Let's play in depth dude.....

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7820/data17tr.png

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2803/data28br.png

Thus your estimated temperature for 200 Watts is -32.605 up to -32.606 Celcius!

[SoF]

wow - gimme an FX and I will check :D
Hey cut this comment about the bugs in 1.42 out in my quote ;)
I will never forget my first venice runs......remember?


"I was unsure if the RAM could handle more than 267MHZ on high clocks with dividers because of Pi problems when improving RAM settings - so I played around with the CPU clock to see how high I could go to stay below this value for the RAM. Normally I would have to calculate HTT/RAM ratio until I reached 267MHZ for RAM, afterwards check if the CPU stays below it's limit.
Easier to use the suggester: 267MHZ RAM, the other MSF's as before just playing around with the CPU MFS before program tells me "no solution found".
166er divider was a fixed value, because a lower one damaged the SuperPi 1m time extremly.
This was the last value I got:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=38231&stc=1
In fact this was exactly the highest SuperPi 1m setting I could get!

--> http://www.casextreme.net/pixx/benches/3200_venice/27_1s_1m.jpg


Regards
SoF

[MrSeanKon]

Hey cut this comment about the bugs in 1.42 out in my quote ;)
OK done chief don't :stick: me.. :(

Well what's your opinion SoF I am thinking to update A64 o/c suggester or a new program....
Focus to this post (http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1230953&postcount=10) and the total thread is is here (http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83501) for more details.
There Sierra analyzes step by step what is going on using half multipliers....
Thus when you know roughly that your RAM MSF is 300 MHz (for example) and you use half multiplier the actual frequency for RAM is lower.
Thus what's your suggestion for v1.44?? :rolleyes:
1) Should update A64 o/c suggester?
Then program automatically when you use half multipliers will follow the second if command (no source available). :D
2) Or create an new tool e.g. A64 RAM frequency?

"For you:
When you are ready play more (and post results) using CPU temp estimator or data modeling better....
Use shifting property for subzero values.
Transforms like Laplace and Fourier use this technique when it is necessary.
The reason is simple; all internal models will crash for non positive data.
Calculate your wattage and please use multimeter for Vcore. "

[SoF]

I had a look to my old pascal times and where able to re-activate my little bit knowledge of programming :D
I will try to write a calculation for the problem how I would handle it.
You will get the source and can see if it is possible to implement it in the suggester.
I wouldn't recommend to make a seperate program only for the ram this is better to be included in the suggester.

But no time now - have to go back to work (just went home from school a short moment) I will be totally finished on the week-end :(

[MrSeanKon]

First of all thanks all Administrators/Moderators for sticky. :toast:

To continue:
SoF could you explain more what your calculator does? :rolleyes:
It is written in Pascal??
Thus we can convert your source code to C# and then I will add it in next versions of Bible.
Do you know C# programming? :rolleyes:

I am waiting your answer!

Congrats with your new work! :toast:

[SoF]

Yepp written in pascal simply using other method for X.5 dividers.
CPU vs RAM ratio will not be used anymore.
But I have to read the article again you gave me some time ago.
I can check calculations afterwards with my system again, RAM is running 260MHZ again with 2.88V :banana:

cya :cool:

PS: I will learn a little bit about C in school 2 weeks before christmas. I hope to grab some usefull staph but I think as usual it will be too slow for me and I won't learn enough :>

[MrSeanKon]

Anyway Sofoklis :D you can post your ideas at A64 o/c suggester thread here at XtremeSystems.

--> NOTE <--
The link for modded SuperPi at OCAU Wiki is not working sometimes.
So I uploaded here it is downloadable for guests also.

The link is here (http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/Programs_and_Links_For_Overclockers) for must have o/c programs and links.
The OCAU Wiki manager updates it not me.

[gplus]

Dear Friends,

I must really apologize for the fake news about Mrseankon
I just learned that IT was a "JOKE" ..(:eek: )
Sorry for cofusing U..:mad: :

[Unseen]

Rip my friend. :( We will remember u

[hipro5]

no Shi(f)t.........!..........:(

[Waus-mod]

Rip... :(

[M.Beier]

Rip :(

[Hardware-Addict]

Dear Friends,

I 'm so sorry for bringing these Sad News
But our DearFriend (MrSeanKon) died few days ago after a car accident..

Below there are more "news" about this tragic story..
(It's in Greek Language)
http://octech.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2212&highlight=


Don't know what to say, dont' wanna say more...

R.I.P Dear John
.......................................
.......................................


Ignore this post, George ( Gplus ) & the others ( @ greek forums ) got fooled by the bad quality early "April fools" joke.

MrSeanKon is alive.

John ( MrSeanKon ) asked for the deletion of the previous posts.

[hipro5]

Ahhhh.......BAD JOKE Ehhh?.......F(i)UCK HIM then........:slapass: :mad:

THESE are NOT JOKES.......These are Bullshi(i)ts.......NOT EVEN a 4 years old kid doesn't do these things......:slapass: :mad:

Please a Moderator BAN me for now......I'm sorry.......

[street warrior]

Hipro you are 100% right.My feelings are in the same way with yours.

[MrSeanKon]

Ahhhh.......BAD JOKE Ehhh?.......F(i)UCK HIM then........:slapass: :mad:Don't ask from other to do this cos you cannot LOL...


THESE are NOT JOKES.......Sorry did you cried too much???
ROFL.....


.NOT EVEN a 4 years old kid doesn't do these things......:slapass: :mad:LOL do you know a 4 years kid who overclocks??
Can you understand high tech modder this program?
LOL........
LOL again if you mod my mainboard will my CPU achieve more MHz????
LOL......


Please a Moderator BAN me for now............
One vote from me!
BAN him!

[Unseen]

Well I stop supporting this program here anymore.

Who cares... u r just lousy...

[MrSeanKon]

Unseen of course I don't care for your comments that's why sent pm to gplus saying "why you posted this info at abroad forums??
For other one time some Greeks show to all foreing people that we love troubles/arguments etc......
Like our politicians LOL........:p:

Aλλα για να ξεκαθαρισω ορισμενα πραγματακια πεσατε σε μια παγιδα η οποια ειχε στηθει για καποιους αλλους ομως δε θα κατσω να αναλυσω εδω μεσα το τι και πως.
Αντι ο καθενας να κοιταει την παρτη του ασχολειται με αρχιδιες και βλεποντας τα οι ξενοι θα γελανε με εσας κι οχι με εμενα.
Ηδη η Βιβλος παει μια χαρα και δε με νοιαζουν τα οποια αρνητικα σχολια γιαυτο και δε θα συνεχισω να ασχολιεμαι μαζι σας ο,τι κι αν γραψετε.
Οι κανονες του forum δε λειτουργησαν φαινεται οτι οι εν λογω επιτηθεμενοι εχουν θειους στην Κορωνη εν προκειμενω εδω μεσα....
Ρε psol.......

Παντως δειτε και καμμια τσοντα θα σας κανει καλο γιατι στο τελος δε θα σας κανει κικιρικο απο την υπερβολικη ενασχοληση με τους υπολογιστες.

[hipro5]

I think better go and see a doctor (phyco maybe) before this thing goes any deeper and then it'll be too late.......:D

[MrSeanKon]

All versions are downloadable from Aoaforums click here and grab Guidemania for Windows (http://files.aoaforums.com/D316-OC&#37;20Bible.html)
If you want you can download from there the previous versions 1.44, 1.45 etc cos dsio=Aoaforums file manager keeps anything!

Dear users,
Well the new innovation of this program is the multilanguage support!
The version 1.47 almost 35 different languages!
Greek, English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Croatian, Romaniam, Portuguese etc......
Moreover two forms plot functions!
In addition you can save your data!

[MrSeanKon]

Data modeling example 1
Enter the following measured data for microbes, perform logarithmic regression, and display the statistics.
Also estimate the number of microbes with a temperature of 18 degrees using the logaritithm curve obtained.
The first photo shows you the data:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51799&stc=1&d=1160465591

LOL it is beyond of my scope to teach you Greek!
But the photo is a good example about OcBible translation!
Here are the results:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51800&stc=1&d=1160465591

C.C.7 is 100% and this normal cos 4th degree polynomial is something like a*x^4+b*x^3+c*x^2+d*x+e --> five total parameters --> the measurements are five --> C.C. = 100%.
But we should avoid any estimation using this model more measurements are required.
For this reason --> estimation using 3rd degree polynomial --> is BANNED --> thus we perform logarithmic regression.
Cos 5 degrees = minimum value < 20 < 36 degrees = maximum value --> this is an interpolation example.
But 99.7% radio button must be checked for good prediction.
Yeah at 20 degrees the microbes are 1300 and 1297.489 < 1300 < 1334.971
1334.971 - 1297.489 ---> almost 40 --> error in next photo is 20.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51801&stc=1&d=1160465591

Focus on settings!
Finally here is the plot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51802&stc=1&d=1160465591

Data are taken from a medical site

[MrSeanKon]

One new feature for v1.49 is BAN Technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To understand this here is the screen capture from a famous program --> Mathematica:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52210&stc=1&d=1161580311

LOL if you have 100 data or more LOL and you want to play with some of them you will make more collections and so on LOL waste time RULEZ!

Welcome to OcBible's world!
Here are the first data:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52211&stc=1&d=1161580311

and here are the BANNED data:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52212&stc=1&d=1161580311

If you double click a box color changes to red <--> white. ;)

Data are PiFast times (system was Venice 3200+).

[MrSeanKon]

Let's go further.....
First of all I opened my personal AMD database file --> more info here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=116858)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52213&stc=1&d=1161580539

The total values were 57 --> they are o/c exponents.
LOL imagine this:
LOL "I want to BAN any o/c exponent < 0.5 and > 0.85" LOL...
So simple set the upper and lower limits in BAN! group:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52214&stc=1&d=1161580539

and press the animated hammer!
Again set the new limits:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52215&stc=1&d=1161580539

and all data are automatically BANNED!!!!!!!
Moreover 18 numbers (of total 41) are between 0.6 and 0.7 --> possibilities.
Has Mathematica similar capabilities???? :banana:
Maple????? :banana:
Mathcad??? :banana:
Matlab???? :banana:
All of them are not freeware and not cheap ;)

[hipro5]

Sean......I can understand that you are proud of what you're doing BUT do something else instead.....You are ALONE.......;)

Make something more easier for us overclockers or a "clockgen" perhaps that we "work"......The thing you're up to know, we don't even care about it....Do something else coz as I said: You are ALONE.....Sorry but this is the trouth....;)

[GoriLLakoS]

Unseen of course who cares that's why I said to gplus "why you posted this info at abroad forums?? For making a :banana::banana::banana::banana: up??"......
Although I do not have subzero cooling system I can prove to you that all estimators work almost perfect for any cooling area.
But they need some adjustments; anyway who cares again......
For other one time some Greeks show to all foreing people that we love troubles/arguments etc......
Like our politicians LOL........:p:

Aλλα για να ξεκαθαρισω ορισμενα πραγματακια πεσατε σε μια παγιδα η οποια ειχε στηθει για καποιους αλλους ομως δε θα κατσω να αναλυσω εδω μεσα το τι και πως.
Αντι ο καθενας να κοιταει την παρτη του ασχολειται με αρχιδιες και βλεποντας τα οι ξενοι θα γελανε με εσας κι οχι με εμενα.
Ηδη η Βιβλος παει μια χαρα και δε με νοιαζουν τα οποια αρνητικα σχολια γιαυτο και δε θα συνεχισω να ασχολιεμαι μαζι σας ο,τι κι αν γραψετε.
Οι κανονες του forum δε λειτουργησαν φαινεται οτι οι εν λογω επιτηθεμενοι εχουν θειους στην Κορωνη εν προκειμενω εδω μεσα....
Ρε psol.......

Παντως δειτε και καμμια τσοντα θα σας κανει καλο γιατι στο τελος δε θα σας κανει κικιρικο απο την υπερβολικη ενασχοληση με τους υπολογιστες.

I think it's a reason for ban if someone translate the what is wriiten in bold and Greek...

[MrSeanKon]

I think it's a reason for ban if someone translate the what is wriiten in bold and Greek...
LOL first of all do not say :stick: lies my post is not in bold case.
I did not abuse anyone here.
The others started this and I replied later OK????
What about forum's rules?????


1. Absolutely NO personal attacks.
Flaming or inciting flaming (also known as flame baiting)
will not be tolerated, no exceptions.
This includes references to bodily harm/violence.


Some people hate me (it is not necessary to explain why).
Anyway I have pleased many times the Moderators here to remove the "bad" posts.
Please stop posting offtopic.
I am here just to help people (if I know) and I do not want battles with anyone.


Sean......I can understand that you are pround .You mean proud.


You are ALONE.......As I posted above to unseen people love the programs.
Just visit Aoaforums, TechPowerUp!, PcPer, ABXzone, OCAU, nForce4, Insomnia, Extremeoverclocking to see my stickies there.
At this moment 4 sites host OcBible.


Make something more easier for us overclockers or a "clockgen" perhaps that we "work"I am not a professional programmer.
Μοreover I am not Mathematician although this program is based on Maths.


The thing you're up to know, we don't even care about it....Read scrandman's post here (http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=410026&page=6&pp=15) I think it is very clear.
Just for fun a share this program.
As Bob Marley said Time will tell
The reeaders around the world criticise you and me.
And they are the best judge ;)

[SoF]

unlike hipro or gorillakos I like the way Sean goes on overclocking...if you do not understand..well that's your opinion.
I don't say I understand everything that he does, just to be honest.
But I saw it working several times on early versions with air and phase and that made my opinion.
Everything this program shows can be reached without it...but putting oc in numbers, making curves out of it...that's the real thing behind it.
You always have to enter specific values of a processor so the results are based on them - if more of you would have passed math a-level with pleasure maybe more would have a sense for it without offending anybody...

hipro you are more one of the practical guys...I can understand you don't have an idea why anybody should made such a program but don't you think you don't have to bother around typing such posts?
You could have said nothing and the world would still be the same ;)

[[XC] riptide]

As a bystander I'd say let the thread flow. Anyone got any problems with anyone else.... thats what PM is for.

[MrSeanKon]

I don't say I understand everything that he does, just to be honest.GKR :mad: ask then!
Anyway I must GKR to you at MSN! :)


But I saw it working several times on early versions with air and phase and that made my opinion.As you know I do not have any subzero solution thus I cannot optimize the estimators.
Hopefully some of them work for this region.


if more of you would have passed math a-levelOK program requires a basic knowledge of Mathematics but it is not necessary to use all forms and anything.
Moreover I am not a Mathematician..

[SotosLg]

Keep up the good work man!!!!

Hey guys why do you say that about Sean huh?
Maybe you havent the capabilities to make such programs and spit such words to show to the world what?
This is different forum personal stuff are prohibited!! I know something is going on with you guys (yes u 2) and Sean!!
You kicked him out from a greek forum beacause you didnt appreciated his work!!
You spitted words (and you still doing it) that were inacurate so dont do that again you know you are inacurate

You NEVER appreciated of his work that made you say these words and show him hostility!!

I am done with you

[Alec]

Just been checking it out, Sean!
I love how the program can give all the particular setups for each overclock - it using one of those alternative settings could be the difference between having a stable benching OC and not. :cool:

Keep up the good work dude! :toast:

Chears,
Alec

[MrSeanKon]

Keep up the good work man!!!!Thanks Sotos :)

I am done with youLOL I will BAN you from our team :p:


Keep up the good work dude! :toast:
Chears,
AlecRegards mate :clap: :woot:

Κλικάρετε εδώ/Click here/LOL HIER CLICKEN (http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/os-software-firmware-and-bios/32993-overclocking-bible-post-your-comments-questions-2.html#post424813) to see some new features of programming!!!!!!!
Do you hate my interfaces???
Make a new one!!!
Enjoy!!!

[MrSeanKon]

Announcement for users who translate the program
You must download any translation update file if you want to save time.
I don't mention in the English.txt file any change between current patch and the old ones.
For example the 26-1-2007 translation file shows you the changes between this version and the previous one (13-1-2007).
Both of them are patches for v1.50 only.
Thus if you download the OcBible v1.50 and then 26-1-2007 translation file you will get dizzy cos some changes and spend time. :cool:

Announcement for patches
It is not necessary to download them but you must realize that the software cannot be error free.
Any patch is different and :stick: corrects some problems.

Announcement for old versions
I informed dsio and gizmo to create a saperate folder for keeping the old versions.
But they REMOVE any old patch. :fact:

[MrSeanKon]

Here are the commands for a multiple bar plot using Mathematica:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55110&stc=1&d=1169804921

:stick: Long and terrible expressions....
Let's use OcBible:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55111&stc=1&d=1169804921

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55112&stc=1&d=1169804921

And here is the plot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55113&stc=1&d=1169804921

I reckon it is clear! :woot:

[MrSeanKon]

Input (some data are BANNED):

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55431&stc=1&d=1170665704

Settings:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55432&stc=1&d=1170665704

Output:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55433&stc=1&d=1170665704

Let's resize:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55434&stc=1&d=1170665704

And here is:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55435&stc=1&d=1170665704

but I changed some other options also.

[MrSeanKon]

Continued:

WOW gradient colors! :woot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55820&stc=1&d=1171531155

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55821&stc=1&d=1171531155

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55822&stc=1&d=1171531155

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55823&stc=1&d=1171531155

[MrSeanKon]

Some data and the tile chart:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55975&stc=1&d=1171961796

Would you like 3D????

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55976&stc=1&d=1171961796

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55977&stc=1&d=1171961796

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55978&stc=1&d=1171961796

WOW! :woot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55979&stc=1&d=1171961796

[MrSeanKon]

As more points you plot a higher monitor analysis is required.
But we don't have a 50000*50000 pixels screen LOL....
Thus we have to magnify the necessary parts.
Study this example:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56203&stc=1&d=1172656712

OK I know that the plot is appeared good but I did not choose many points for the reason which is obvious.
If you want try one for yourself!
Let's increase the magnification in both axons:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56204&stc=1&d=1172656712

And you will see (four photos in one):

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56205&stc=1&d=1172656712

To be more specific here is the total plot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56206&stc=1&d=1172656712

If I chose many plots ---> I could not post here the total plot --> cos no huge monitor!!!

[MrSeanKon]

More options LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
The first bar chart (AMD o/c exponents):

[MrSeanKon]

Let's play with options:

[MrSeanKon]

And now the result: :woot:

[xlink]

here's a crazy question.

5 days ago, my 8800GTS did a few hours in ATItool @ 660mhz on the core just fine and I ran it 24/7 @ 655. Then Lost planet started crashing so I lwoered the core.

Now it won't do 640. WTF?

[MrSeanKon]

Thanks for your post :) but I will dissapoint you. :(
Cos I am not a kid anymore I don't play games etc..
Thus I don't care for graphics performance. :D
Therefore you have to create your own thread to discuss with others.
As you see Guidemania does not cover anything about video cards o/c.
Maybe in the future??? :rolleyes: I don't promise anything guys.
The only thing I could guess is if you change something (settings for example).
BTW one good video card o/c guide is here (http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/graphics-sound-cards-speakers-other-peripherals/31993-overclocking-unlocking-guide.html)

[computerking]

Hey Brother

I'm Going to translate your Kickass Programe in "Arabic" I will do all it takes to do it.. Because you are a nice guy and your programe is the best !!!!!!

Good luck and take care

[MrSeanKon]

Thank you mate και σε ευχαριστούμε = thanks a lot cos you show here that I am not alone ;)

Ladies and gentlemen around the world,

I feel grateful to $SOLID$ Necro (PCApex's Moderator) cos he created a thread there for me (and stuck it) just to help us.
Thanks buddy!

Moreover PCApex offers hosting for OcBible ---> click here/hier clicken (http://forums.pcapex.com/category5.ht&#37;20ml) :up:

CK I wish to post here some Arabic words.
E.g. processor = ?????

[computerking]

:rofl:

okay

computer processor = وحدة المعالجة المركزية
processor = معالجة

thanks buddy

[MrSeanKon]

LEET!
But how do you spell these strange letters???
For example the world Ευχαριστώ hears efxaristo (the o is stressed).
The معالجة ?????? :rolleyes:
I wish to learn some Arabics! :clap:

[computerking]

LEET!
But how do you spell these strange letters???
For example the world Ευχαριστώ hears efxaristo (the o is stressed).
The معالجة ?????? :rolleyes:
I wish to learn some Arabics! :clap:

:ROTF:

okay I will teach you. no problem

take care

[MrSeanKon]

ROFL! :D
Post with English letter how the معالجة word is pronounced!

:welcome: or Willkomen SoF????????
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[computerking]

"moaalga" kinda

[MrSeanKon]

WOW!
My moaagla is an Intel killer (cos I am an AMD fan).
Let me know what it will be with you.
Do you know assembly, low level C++??? :rolleyes:

[computerking]

WOW!
My moaagla is an Intel killer (cos I am an AMD fan).
Let me know what it will be with you.
Do you know assembly, low level C++??? :rolleyes:

Lol I'm Intel FAN :rofl: hate AMD.. intel Rocks

I'm lower than Low level C++... I need more time and I will be PRO.. I just started from 1 weak :D

thanks for asking

[MrSeanKon]

I think this is good cos _dangtx_, Mad 4 Air, Gorki, SoF and zeppelinrox are AMD fans.
Therefore an Intel owner could help me to improve the specific estimators.
To do this please post here a table with your MSFs.
As about programming I am not a professional programmer thus you may help gizmo (since you are Aoaforums user also and you have his MSN) to improve System Reporter and why not to development on the fly o/c utilities etc....
All of them require time and patience.
OcBible is almost 5 years old and 200.000+ lines C# source code.

[SotosLg]

Why System Reporter's time interval is >= 1 sec? Previous versions had options for milliseconds

[MrSeanKon]

Why System Reporter's time interval is >= 1 sec? Yes this true.
Options for the current version (1.11) are 1,2,3,4,5 seconds.


Previous versions had options for millisecondsThe previous version had 250ms and 500 ms also.
But it used Microsoft Framework v1.1 and the current (at this moment) is v2.0.
Therefore I cannot use the same WMI statement to get CPU's usage GKR :mad: cos system crashes GKR....:mad:

[SotosLg]

You must clarify which oc bible version we must download because the users are confused.

[MrSeanKon]

As I said here is the Aoaforums (http://files.aoaforums.com/D316-OC%20Bible.html) main OcBible downloading folder.
Althouth the programs are hosted by other sites also (PCApex, TechPowerUp!, Softpedia and Insomnia) the URLs change in every new edition.
To continue at this moment of speaking (16/4/2008) two versions are available.
v1.54 is for Windows 2000/XP users who have installed Microsoft Framework v2.0.
v1.55 is for Vista users and requires Microsoft Framework v3.5.
To clarify you must avoid v1.54 if you run Vista OS.
Does it makes sense?

[topdog5050]

thanks for the info!