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conrad.maranan
05-03-2005, 10:17 AM
All miscellaneous San Diego OC discussions are to take place in here. If you wish to refer to a particular post from the The Official San Diego Overclocking Thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59406), please include the proper "Post #" or a direct link to the post you are mentioning.

perkam
05-03-2005, 10:37 AM
???? :confused:

I thought the purpose of the official thread was to engulf all of the smaller threads...What exactly is the point of this one ??

Perkam

Rubescen
05-03-2005, 10:46 AM
???? :confused:

I thought the purpose of the official thread was to engulf all of the smaller threads...What exactly is the point of this one ??

Perkam

The purpose of this thread is for discussion and BS :D the other thread "The Official San Diego Overclocking Thread" is only for result, moderator probably wanted to keep those two overclocking threads nice and clean, easier for everyone to see the results instead of reading bunch of other stuff. :D

conrad.maranan
05-03-2005, 10:46 AM
The purpose of the "official" thread is for forum members to display their overclocking accomplishments. I weeded out 4 pages of this from the other thread: "Oooh. I hope my chip does that!"..."But is it Prime stable?"..."What's the default multiplier on that again?"...Where did you buy it?"..."Is it worth it?"

The point of this thread is for all other discussions with regard to the overclocks in the "official" thread. A lot of forum members like to get straight to the point with the screenshots without having to sift through a mile of smileys and other posts.

charlie
05-03-2005, 10:47 AM
yeah, good idea.

charlie
05-03-2005, 10:48 AM
And btw, I like San Diego... so far on AIR, it rocks, it's fast as hell. If it's benchable at 3500mHz++ at -40C... it'll make FX 130nM obsolete.

C

Rubescen
05-03-2005, 10:55 AM
And btw, I like San Diego... so far on AIR, it rocks, it's fast as hell. If it's benchable at 3500mHz++ at -40C... it'll make FX 130nM obsolete.

C


how high did you get it up to and still prime stable on air?

charlie
05-03-2005, 10:57 AM
how high did you get it up to and still prime stable on air?

I don't do Prime, I "bench"... 400m sprinters don't run marathons. ;)
FWIW, I can "loop" 3D at 2860mHz...

btw, nice fish, you keep aquariums? Aulonocara there?

C

Rubescen
05-03-2005, 11:22 AM
I don't do Prime, I "bench"... 400m sprinters don't run marathons. ;)
FWIW, I can "loop" 3D at 2860mHz...

btw, nice fish, you keep aquariums? Aulonocara there?

C


nice....is there any reason why you chose the 4000 over the 3700? I'm still waiting for my 3700 and toying with the idea of getting the 4000 instead, this wait is killing me! :D


yup, I have a 55 Gal African Cichlid tank in the dining room packed with Aulonocara Rubescen and Maleri, have some other haps and mbuna to keep them company. I've been line-breeding the Rubescen and Demasoni(mbuna) for about 3 years....this project is going to take forever! :lol2: though these little buggers keep me sane and they're fun to watch. :D

cpulloverclock
05-03-2005, 11:23 AM
all 4000+ have a 0515 SPMW core stepping?

cpulloverclock
05-03-2005, 11:26 AM
this shot is for Bacchus ;)
j/k but nice to run SuperPi 32M 1:1 memory super tight timings w/Redline 4000 @3.5V, Diego is about 3-5C lower on evap temps compared to my older 4000+ core running same speeds, but of course Diego taking ALOT less voltage at 1.535 vs 1.83 v
32M@3.18GHz with a mach I and 1.53v???

bachus_anonym
05-03-2005, 11:34 AM
this shot is for Bacchus ;)
j/k but nice to run SuperPi 32M 1:1 memory super tight timings w/Redline 4000 @3.5V, Diego is about 3-5C lower on evap temps compared to my older 4000+ core running same speeds, but of course Diego taking ALOT less voltage at 1.535 vs 1.83 v

regarding this post - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=845457&postcount=18
Damn... Hat down, sir :) Finally, it wasn't that hard was it ? :) Thanks a lot, John!
Doing 32M on modded mach @ almost 3.2GHz is what I was looking for! Calculation time could have been surely better (more tweaking and all), but hell, this chip looks good. Still tad expensive, though :(

Good work John, keep pushing this baby :)

cpulloverclock
05-03-2005, 11:38 AM
I have the same time at 3087MHz with 12x257 :)

GoodOmens
05-03-2005, 11:39 AM
Can you guys post what you are using to cool?

Major
05-03-2005, 11:46 AM
ADA3700DAA5BN
CABGE0512XPMW

Got mine from Monarch yesturday, but only had an opportunity to install it today.

So far @ 1.58v 312x9 = 2808mhz using XP120. I ran prime for about 30min without issues so apears to be 100% but have only spent an hour or so with it. I get memory errors at 313 and above and not sure if its the controller or memory settings so I'll have to spend more time with it tomorrow. Sorry but can't upload pics atm.

I'll have more time tomorrow to play, and will try to max it out on XP120 and post some pics.

bachus_anonym
05-03-2005, 11:46 AM
I have the same time at 3087MHz with 12x257 :)
That's true... With good tweaking this should have been below 23:00, but I don't think that it was John's purpose to get THE best time... I still like that screenie VERY much :)

cpulloverclock
05-03-2005, 11:50 AM
That's true... With good tweaking this should have been below 23:00, but I don't think that it was John's purpose to get THE best time... I still like that screenie VERY much :)
yep, under 23 at 3130MHz

JNav89GT
05-03-2005, 11:53 AM
http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/SD4000+_s.jpg

Stable
1.4V -> http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/PC_MS_1.4V.PNG
1.5V -> http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/PC_MS_1.5V.PNG
1.55V -> http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/WCM_MS_1.55V.PNG

Bench
SPI 1M -> http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/SPI1M_3118.PNG
SPI 4M & CPUM99 -> http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/SPI4M_CPUM_3G.PNG
awesome results on WC :)

gundamit
05-03-2005, 12:31 PM
Is it too early to say these 4000+ SDs are looking pretty damn good? Even low voltage air cooling results are terrific. Looks as though water should take most to 3ghz and single stage phase another 200mhz+. Seems like a good idea to pick up the 4000+ while it reigns as the fastest 90nm process chip. One the next FX debuts I'm thinking the 4000+ results are sure to slide down a bit.
Edit: Whoops just saw the new official San Diego BS ( I mean "dicussion") thread right after I posted this. Weed this out with the rest. Apologies tendered.

charlie
05-03-2005, 12:56 PM
Is it too early to say these 4000+ SDs are looking pretty damn good? Even low voltage air cooling results are terrific. Looks as though water should take most to 3ghz and single stage phase another 200mhz+. Seems like a good idea to pick up the 4000+ while it reigns as the fastest 90nm process chip. One the next FX debuts I'm thinking the 4000+ results are sure to slide down a bit.
Edit: Whoops just saw the new official San Diego BS ( I mean "dicussion") thread right after I posted this. Weed this out with the rest. Apologies tendered.

Nope, not too early. And it's a great chip to hold over until FX57.

C

Gsus_Freak
05-03-2005, 01:03 PM
Someonewant to tell me the difence between the vinince and the San Diego?

perkam
05-03-2005, 01:10 PM
Someonewant to tell me the difence between the vinince and the San Diego?

SD: 1MB Cache
Venice: 512k Cache

Otherwise both are the same.

Perkam

charlie
05-03-2005, 01:22 PM
SD: 1MB Cache
Venice: 512k Cache

Otherwise both are the same.

Perkam

Yeah, and that extra cache makes a big dif. In my X800XL competition, the guy above me is packing a 3113mHz Winny, running at like 330HTT, my little old SD at 2880 spanks it in Lobby and nearly matches it in Car Hi...

In fact, I even get a feeling that it is faster clock for clock than an FX55.

C

perkam
05-03-2005, 01:24 PM
Yeah, and that extra cache makes a big dif. In my X800XL competition, the guy above me is packing a 3113mHz Winny, running at like 330HTT, my little old SD at 2880 spanks it in Lobby and nearly matches it in Car Hi...

In fact, I even get a feeling that it is faster clock for clock than an FX55.

C

Havent you said that somewhere else too ???? lol

But yes SD > Venice cos of cache....me gets bored after a while of regurgitating the same info 10x times :( :shakes:

Anyhoo, would love to see an FX-53 go up against a 3700+...that'd be...interesting. :cool:

Perkam

Gsus_Freak
05-03-2005, 01:26 PM
Wow, gotta love cache. I would kill to see a 2 meg AMD64. How is the pricing compaired to the vince?

eva2000
05-03-2005, 01:27 PM
Yeah, and that extra cache makes a big dif. In my X800XL competition, the guy above me is packing a 3113mHz Winny, running at like 330HTT, my little old SD at 2880 spanks it in Lobby and nearly matches it in Car Hi...

In fact, I even get a feeling that it is faster clock for clock than an FX55.

C
oooooh sounds nice.. OPB's 4000+ Sandy is mine soon :D

perkam
05-03-2005, 01:31 PM
Wow, gotta love cache. I would kill to see a 2 meg AMD64. How is the pricing compaired to the vince?

YAY Newb question two is... how many fingers...do i have? ...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock....tick tock... !!BUZZZZZ!!!...The Answer is 15 John, Yeah !!!...I'm sorry, but the real answer is 6 !!!!..

*Crowd goes AWWWWWW*

Anyhoo, srry lol, go anywhere...no seriously, just go, go NOW !!!...ahem..i mean go to monarch computer and type in 3700+, 4000+, 3500+, 3200+, etc.

If you find a "Rev E" processor with 512k its Venice, if you find a Rev E with 1MB Cache, its a San Diego. San Diego comes in two flavours: 3700+ and 4000+, eclipsing the previous 4000+ ClawHammer 1MB, and Venice comes in 3000+, 3200+, 3500+ and 3800+ all eclipsing their Winchester and Newcastle 939 counterparts.

Perkam

Gsus_Freak
05-03-2005, 01:34 PM
YAY Newb question two is... how many fingers...do i have? ...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock....tick tock... !!BUZZZZZ!!!...The Answer is 15 John, Yeah !!!...I'm sorry, but the real answer is 6 !!!!..

*Crowd goes AWWWWWW*

Anyhoo, srry lol, go anywhere...no seriously, just go, go NOW !!!...ahem..i mean go to monarch computer and type in 3700+, 4000+, 3500+, 3200+, etc.

If you find a "Rev E" processor with 512k its Venice, if you find a Rev E with 1MB Cache, its a San Diego. San Diego comes in two flavours: 3700+ and 4000+, eclipsing the previous 4000+ ClawHammer 1MB, and Venice comes in 3000+, 3200+, 3500+ and 3800+ all eclipsing their Winchester and Newcastle 939 counterparts.

Perkam

hahahah sorry to anoy you. Been out of the loop for awhile...thought there were not yet releced in the states yet. Thanks :)

perkam
05-03-2005, 01:42 PM
hahahah sorry to anoy you. Been out of the loop for awhile...thought there were not yet releced in the states yet. Thanks :)

My bad ;)

The 3700+ Retail right now $344 at Monarch and the 4000+ SD is $540. The Venice 3000+ Retail is $164, 3200+ is $209, 3500+ is $287 and the 3800+ is $389. (all retail prices, oem are like $10 lower)

Your best bet for San Diego is the 3700+ hands down. The Venice choice is a tad more complicated. The 3200+ as its clocking better than some 3500+s, and the 3800+ is a tad much, especially for onl 512k, so the 3200+ is best, what you save, I'd buy some nice VX with and use a divider and take it to 2.8ghz at 2-2-2. (only cos the 3500+s are not doing so great)

Perkam

Gsus_Freak
05-03-2005, 01:45 PM
ya, pretty steep for that +4000 part...and with dual core coming in a couple of months and M2 sockets coming out next year, I think I might have to pass on the +4000. To bad, I wanted to make this clawhammer a folding machine.

Heard good things about puting in mis-mached memory with the new mem controler, how are you guys making out with your ram configurations?

perkam
05-03-2005, 01:47 PM
ya, pretty steep for that +4000 part...and with dual core coming in a couple of months and M2 sockets coming out next year, I think I might have to pass on the +4000. To bad, I wanted to make this clawhammer a folding machine.

Heard good things about puting in mis-mached memory with the new mem controler, how are you guys making out with your ram configurations?

Gsus Freak, this isnt a free for all, pls post specific questions in their respective forums, this is for the San Diego parts only :up:

Perkam

Gsus_Freak
05-03-2005, 01:53 PM
Ok, I will be more spicific. Has anyone tried to put 4x512 meg sticks in the SD. I know the venice had problems like all the rest of AMD64 chips.

I need 2 gigs for the programs that I run, might get the +4000 cause I'm horible at waiting.

I need to use 4x512 double sided/ 2 bank ram. Hopefully that will work as a specific question :)

Edit: And by work, I mean boot and work in t1 settings.

Mikestore
05-03-2005, 02:00 PM
how is the great sandiego on overclock??? 3700+, 4000+ or another??

MsB
05-03-2005, 02:07 PM
Ok, I will be more spicific. Has anyone tried to put 4x512 meg sticks in the SD. I know the venice had problems like all the rest of AMD64 chips.

I need 2 gigs for the programs that I run, might get the +4000 cause I'm horible at waiting.

I need to use 4x512 double sided/ 2 bank ram. Hopefully that will work as a specific question :)

Edit: And by work, I mean boot and work in t1 settings.

Thats what I want to know as well, and how does it oc with all four dims occupied?

dmo580
05-03-2005, 02:35 PM
Wait so how do you get the times in Super Pi to have decimals? I get full seconds, or is my computer just too slow... =/

JonEapples
05-03-2005, 02:45 PM
Wait so how do you get the times in Super Pi to have decimals? I get full seconds, or is my computer just too slow... =/
Super Pi Mod v1.4 (http://superpi.radeonx.com/)

sideeffect
05-03-2005, 04:23 PM
From what i heard the fixes in the memory controller allowed 1t at DDr400 speeds with single sided ram but only 333 with 2 sided.

Getting my 3700 san diego tommorow :)

perkam
05-03-2005, 04:39 PM
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Oh My !!!!!!! you guys are really coming out of the WoodWork Arent you lol :eek:

FYI There is a thread strictly for San Diego overclockers here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59406 ...to view their overclocking results, however you may only post there if you have actual resutls, all other inquiries have to be posted here.

As for four dimms, yes it is true that it depends on the mem controller, but at 2GBs, it begins to depend on the memory as well. UTT prolly wont do 2-2-2 even at stock DDR400 timings afaik...but you might be able to overclock to DDR400 or a tad more, but dont expect DDR250, even at 5v lol with four dimms. TCCD should be the way to go for Four Dimms, it should boot at cas 2.5 for DDR400 up to DDR 500 if you're lucky (guess). I dont have a lot of experience with AMD + Four Dimms but I do not that AMD's mem controllers do allow for tighter timings and higher fsb at those timings compared to Intel. However, anyone who wants to put 2gb of memory into their system shouldnt expect to see high overclocks in the first place.

Oh and btw, to all those who just joined...

:banana: :welcome: WELCOME TO XS !!!!!!! :welcome: :banana:

Perkam

dmo580
05-03-2005, 05:06 PM
Hey. I jumped to a laptop after my Athlon 1100. For that reason I'm really behind. All my understanding comes from reading stuff. So I'm assuming when I build my system in the summer, I will be ready if I just keep reading these threads =P

Well as newb as I may be here, I have been all over Anandtech and Futuremark for years, so I guess it was time to head here for better overclockers =)

MsB
05-03-2005, 05:07 PM
Oh My !!!!!!! you guys are really coming out of the WoodWork Arent you lol :eek:

FYI There is a thread strictly for San Diego overclockers here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59406 ...to view their overclocking results, however you may only post there if you have actual resutls, all other inquiries have to be posted here.

As for four dimms, yes it is true that it depends on the mem controller, but at 2GBs, it begins to depend on the memory as well. UTT prolly wont do 2-2-2 even at stock DDR400 timings afaik...but you might be able to overclock to DDR400 or a tad more, but dont expect DDR250, even at 5v lol with four dimms. TCCD should be the way to go for Four Dimms, it should boot at cas 2.5 for DDR400 up to DDR 500 if you're lucky (guess). I dont have a lot of experience with AMD + Four Dimms but I do not that AMD's mem controllers do allow for tighter timings and higher fsb at those timings compared to Intel. However, anyone who wants to put 2gb of memory into their system shouldnt expect to see high overclocks in the first place.

Oh and btw, to all those who just joined...

:banana: :welcome: WELCOME TO XS !!!!!!! :welcome: :banana:

Perkam

Well thats just it, its still conjectjure and I asked this question when they were testing the first venice but I stilll haven't seen anyone really try it with true tested results. I know about the oc thread thats why I posted here.

perkam
05-03-2005, 05:08 PM
Hey. I jumped to a laptop after my Athlon 1100. For that reason I'm really behind. All my understanding comes from reading stuff. So I'm assuming when I build my system in the summer, I will be ready if I just keep reading these threads =P

Nice to know...In that case, the Search tool is your friend though..Anything you need it will find for you. And when it gives you results, you can search in side the thread as well :) cos there's a "Search" button at the first page of each thread as well ;)

Perkam

dexth77
05-03-2005, 05:19 PM
Hey,
I found that running revE chip to be hotter than Winchester. My previous winchester 3000+ at 1.65v load temp 50C but with SD 3700+ 1.63v load temp jumps to 58C. This is on air (XP90+tornado). Is it just me or the heatsink is not properly seated?

Thanks for sharing.

viccyran
05-03-2005, 05:43 PM
Hey,
I found that running revE chip to be hotter than Winchester. My previous winchester 3000+ at 1.65v load temp 50C but with SD 3700+ 1.63v load temp jumps to 58C. This is on air (XP90+tornado). Is it just me or the heatsink is not properly seated?

Thanks for sharing.
Most likely not well seated, try again, if you're getting consistant results, your IHS might not be very well 'poxyd on. If that's the case, sigh leave it be or it'll have to go under the knife.

Eldonko
05-03-2005, 05:57 PM
Argh why does no one post 32M SuperPI screenshots, all you need to run a 1M is 25 seconds of no bsod. :(

NotoriousMike
05-03-2005, 06:00 PM
Most likely not well seated, try again, if you're getting consistant results, your IHS might not be very well 'poxyd on. If that's the case, sigh leave it be or it'll have to go under the knife.

Also, the cure period for whatever TIM may not have been completed, but this will only be a percentage of your descrepency. Rev E processors do run a bit warmer then the winchesters, But not as hot as the 130nm varients.

conrad.maranan
05-03-2005, 06:01 PM
Argh why does no one post 32M SuperPI screenshots, all you need to run a 1M is 25 seconds of no bsod. :(
Some people just don't have the patience to run a 30-minute benchmark. I always make it a point to run 32M and kill the time by washing dishes, taking a shower, or just watching TV for a little while.

There's one 32M run (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29706) to be found in the OC thread. ;)

brandinb
05-03-2005, 06:01 PM
i have my new sandiego 3700 and it will prime at 2650 but will superpi up to 2850 so i agree with that.
i got a problem tho has anyone gotten a big memory performance loss especially in memtest i lost 300 mb/s with the diego????? why is that. im using all the exact same settings cpu speed mem speed and timings i loose over 300 mb/s its like i have 2t timing but i dont its 1t. also everest shows a big bandwidth loss i got 7700 read now i get about 5600 read??? why


btw my old cpu is a xp3000 and my mobo is dfi of course i tried a few bios and they have the same results of loss of bandwidth
________
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dexth77
05-03-2005, 07:03 PM
Also, the cure period for whatever TIM may not have been completed, but this will only be a percentage of your descrepency. Rev E processors do run a bit warmer then the winchesters, But not as hot as the 130nm varients.

What's TIM?

OCfreak
05-03-2005, 07:34 PM
Argh why does no one post 32M SuperPI screenshots, all you need to run a 1M is 25 seconds of no bsod. :(

32m SuperPI at 2805mhz 26min 29sec (http://webpages.charter.net/robert4177/2629pi)

joe2004
05-03-2005, 08:40 PM
Monarch, monarch. More than a week and no sign of my SD 3700, the new ETA is now May 19, though "the stock is arriving all tha time." How could that be?

NotoriousMike
05-03-2005, 08:49 PM
What's TIM?

Thermal interface material

charlie
05-03-2005, 11:41 PM
It's all good 3306mHz under DI, 26s superPi at 3106...

cool beans!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29743

C

mad mikee
05-04-2005, 03:11 AM
On Zalman 7000Cu
1. No jumping off to High CPU/FSB off the bat (burning in @ 10x260 to get something stable.)
2. BW is attrocious compared to my 9x300 winnie.
3. First tests don't imply any capability for signicantly tighter timings @ a given speed.

Time and water will tell but...
My gut tells me that this may be a below average chip instead of the wonder chips you have all been showing :mad: :brick:

PicaXuu
05-04-2005, 04:40 AM
I've just received my DFI SLI-DR and my Gskill 4800 FF,
Now I'm just waiting for my 3700+ San diego,
Which is the best bios version to use in the DFI ?

dexth77
05-04-2005, 06:59 AM
Thermal interface material

That means AS5 or stuffs like that right?
Well, I figured out the problem, it seems like the bios version higer than 1.36 is giving me roughly about ~10C higher temps, i've tried 1.41, 1.5, 1.62, 1.8...kind of strange...not i'm back around 31C idle/48C load at 1.6v with 1.36mod.

Thanks.

ante_ante
05-04-2005, 09:03 AM
I ordered a 3700+ san diego today from overclockers.co.uk. Hope they delivers fast to sweden :)

wickedld9
05-04-2005, 10:05 AM
Anyone on air seeing strange things with 12x multi? With my 4000+ at 225*12 1.45v it won't boot but 245*11, 270*12, and 300*9 all boot without issue.

I also noticed that this thing runs just a little warmer than my Winchester at the same clock speeds. Even with the Winchester having higher volts. Maybe I should take her top off....

I'll have some water results tonight.

uwackme
05-04-2005, 10:06 AM
Ordered 2 3700+'s from Monarch, Ill be sticking with air for a while.

Anyone yet to push 4x 512M sticks to the limits?

wickedld9
05-04-2005, 10:50 AM
Forgot to mention that I tried 4x512 TwinMOS "AA4T" last night and it failed to boot even after clearing the CMOS. It would boot with only 1-3 or 2-4 but not all 4 dimms.
I'll try to get my hands on 4 sticks of some TCCD's tonight.

NotoriousMike
05-04-2005, 10:52 AM
Yes, AS5 will be an example.

Charlie, you said on the oc results thread that you are not on phasechange? how are you getting those temps then? Im assuming some awesome waterchiller setup.

Also, b518 why are your temps so high? I can only assume your case ambiet air is warm becuase you live in Hawaii. LUCKY .

mad mikee
05-04-2005, 10:59 AM
@ not. mike:
DI = Dry Ice (charlies favorite cooling fun :D )

PicaXuu
05-04-2005, 11:08 AM
Can anybody please answer the question I asked a few posts ago about the bios version for the DFI SLI-DR and the San Diego with the Gskill 4800 FF ?

ante_ante
05-04-2005, 11:12 AM
Can anybody please answer the question I asked a few posts ago about the bios version for the DFI SLI-DR and the San Diego with the Gskill 4800 FF ?

I think Oskars beta bios 414-1, 414-2 & 414-3 support venice, san diego.

B5I8
05-04-2005, 11:30 AM
Can anybody please answer the question I asked a few posts ago about the bios version for the DFI SLI-DR and the San Diego with the Gskill 4800 FF ?
The 414-3 BIOS works great for me with my Winbond UTT and 4000+ San Diego.

PicaXuu
05-04-2005, 01:01 PM
Isn't the 414-1 a better choice for me because my mems are TCCD ?

Eldonko
05-04-2005, 01:49 PM
32m SuperPI at 2805mhz 26min 29sec (http://webpages.charter.net/robert4177/2629pi)

Thank you :woot:

Eldonko
05-04-2005, 01:55 PM
Isn't the 414-1 a better choice for me because my mems are TCCD ?
414-3 is just the changes from 414-1 and 414-2 combined isnt it? BTW where did you get the FF? :O

B5I8
05-04-2005, 03:38 PM
From Monarch

ADA3700DAA5BN
CABGE0512XPMW


Rig: (see sig)
DFI NF4 SLI
XP120 w/80 cfm
G.Skill 4400 LE

I'm looking for stable 24/7 so none of the screen shots are suicide. I got the chip Monday but Just started playing with it tonight. I will try to do some prime tonight but so far have not been able to get 10x283 prime stable. Passes everything else though so not too far away. I'll take the IHS off this weekend I'm sure.

Ran it last night at 9x300 @ 1.52v which was prime stable for 4 hours, that will probably be what I run it at 24/7.
Just to let you know, my previous voltage setting passed prime for a little over 5 hours then failed. Your setting may not be 100% stable if that's what you're looking for.

Major
05-04-2005, 04:16 PM
Just to let you know, my previous voltage setting passed prime for a little over 5 hours then failed. Your setting may not be 100% stable if that's what you're looking for.

I don't think 10x283 is going to be prime stable with the XP120, maybe with the IHS off or a higher cfm fan.

9x300 is definetly prime stable, ran it last night. I can't get my memory to be stable 100% at anything above 302 (same thing as with my Winnie) I blamed it on the controller but IMO its the memory now. So I'll probably settle for 2700mhz 9x300 (same as my Winnie) for 24/7. Plus it does 2700mhz at 1.55v instead of the 1.66 I have to run it at for 2800mhz.

MsB
05-04-2005, 05:00 PM
It's all good 3306mHz under DI, 26s superPi at 3106...

cool beans!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29743

C
I'd say very cool beans!

pershoot
05-04-2005, 05:49 PM
letting you all know that monarch should be getting in retail SD's in a few days. i emailed them inquiring about my OEM part (the 6th was posted on the site when i ordered, and now it says 19th for OEM), and they said they may upgrade me to retail. good on them:)

Gsus_Freak
05-04-2005, 06:10 PM
charlie

is that gamming stable? Is it prime stable? What temps are you at, and what is your cooling solution?

That is some great stuff. I might just break down and get one. Have it be my gaming rig and have the dualy be my work machine.

But want to hear how your cooling it first, I dont have phase change yet, that is a while off.

conrad.maranan
05-04-2005, 06:16 PM
and what is your cooling solution?
But want to hear how your cooling it first, I dont have phase change yet, that is a while off.

It's all good 3306mHz under DI, 26s superPi at 3106...
Dry ice.

Gsus_Freak
05-04-2005, 08:18 PM
ouch...thats some cold styff right there

If I am not mistaken, isn't 4 ght the record for an amd? I wonder if it is posible to get the SD that far, I have high hopes. Think I might just order one tommorw. (thanks conrad :) )

Jasonhk
05-04-2005, 08:45 PM
It's all good 3306mHz under DI, 26s superPi at 3106...

cool beans!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29743

C

Nice :D , What are you doing about the cold bug ?

GoodOmens
05-04-2005, 11:26 PM
ouch...thats some cold styff right there

If I am not mistaken, isn't 4 ght the record for an amd? I wonder if it is posible to get the SD that far, I have high hopes. Think I might just order one tommorw. (thanks conrad :) )

Just be aware the SD has the cold bug which affects phase change and other ultra extreme cooling - the only systems capable of getting the 4000+ to near 4 ghz.

Wingz
05-05-2005, 01:43 AM
260 x 11 so far @ 2-2-2-5 1:1

http://www.hvweb.co.uk/wingz/3700+.jpg

http://www.hvweb.co.uk/wingz/3700+A.JPG

(sin)morpheus
05-05-2005, 03:20 AM
The coldbug is at -80C or something like that, isn't it? Also, Im sure the fx-57 won't have this coldbug, people would boycott amd's headquaters if it did. :cool:

esdee
05-05-2005, 03:33 AM
The coldbug is at -80C or something like that, isn't it? Also, Im sure the fx-57 won't have this coldbug, people would boycott amd's headquaters if it did. :cool:


count me in.

Anakin_Skywalke
05-05-2005, 05:04 AM
I just got myself a 3700+ SD chip, it's week 15 SPMW if I remember correctly, so far only 250x11 (2750) and 1.65Volts... Doesn't seem to like low voltages though... any thoughts?

Rubescen
05-05-2005, 06:53 AM
letting you all know that monarch should be getting in retail SD's in a few days. i emailed them inquiring about my OEM part (the 6th was posted on the site when i ordered, and now it says 19th for OEM), and they said they may upgrade me to retail. good on them:)


I'm on the same boat and have been waiting for my OEM 3700 SD pre-order since 4/19/05, Monarch have the Retail 3700 San Diego listed on their website IN STOCK now, emailed Joe this morning about it and he upgraded my OEM pre-ordered to this Retail box that they just got in today, and also upgraded my 2 days shipping to overnight, all these at no extra cost...SWEET!! I can't wait to receive mine tomorrow, Monarch have got another very happy and satisfied customer for life!! :toast:

So far how high can you guys OC your San Diego on air to and still prime stable or 3Dmark loop ?? I think we need a database to keep all the OC records and steppings we got :D :D

webbyboy
05-05-2005, 07:56 AM
I'm in a dilemma of whether to get a SD 3700+ or a Venice 3500+. Guys you think which one will be a better performer? :D in terms of overclocking..

pershoot
05-05-2005, 08:01 AM
u get 1MB L2 with 3700+ SD. i'd go for that, since your already paying that high of a price.

Rubescen
05-05-2005, 08:06 AM
I'm in a dilemma of whether to get a SD 3700+ or a Venice 3500+. Guys you think which one will be a better performer? :D in terms of overclocking..

I'm running the Venice 3200 now but will find out soon enough how well the 3700 SD gonna OC against it :D :D though so far all the SD are running pretty hot, not sure if I could get it up to 2.9 on air...

webbyboy
05-05-2005, 08:07 AM
u get 1MB L2 with 3700+ SD. i'd go for that, since your already paying that high of a price.


My ultimate intention is to get more clocks out of it, or rather getting it above 2.7Ghz and i'd be very happy. but it's like another $60 more for that 1mb cache. is it worth? does the cache do many wonders?

pershoot
05-05-2005, 08:10 AM
its a nice boost. i wouldnt call it earth shattering though...

is it worth the 60USD? hmm.. thats debatable..

mcbarnet007
05-05-2005, 10:17 AM
extra cache means about 5% gain. And Charlie already said that it is faster clock for clock vs FX55

perkam
05-05-2005, 10:50 AM
extra cache means about 5% gain. And Charlie already said that it is faster clock for clock vs FX55

Charlie may have said that, but has never been tested...and most likely the gains are from the 90nm architecture and the SSE3 and other Rev E goodies...but not by much and a well overclocked FX-55 is still king around here.

3700+ San Diego vs 3500+ Venice at stock is more than a 5% gain...they are practically world apart, especially ppl with 3200+ Venices have had more luck than Venice 3500+ owners lol

btw, mcbarnet...Your sig...You tried to write "Mobo: Dfi ...." but it read it as "Mobo :D fi " lol...hence the smiley...just put a space after "Mobo:" and you'll be fine ;)

Perkam

charlie
05-05-2005, 11:08 AM
extra cache means about 5% gain. And Charlie already said that it is faster clock for clock vs FX55

I have no evidence of that, it's merely a "feeling" I have...

C

webbyboy
05-05-2005, 11:21 AM
I just wondering those temp on the SD OC Thread, it's like hovering around 28-32, is it in airconditioning room? Or is it the weather temp is at that temperature? my winchester no oc it's at 36 degree.

mcbarnet007
05-05-2005, 12:06 PM
Charlie may have said that, but has never been tested...and most likely the gains are from the 90nm architecture and the SSE3 and other Rev E goodies...but not by much and a well overclocked FX-55 is still king around here.

3700+ San Diego vs 3500+ Venice at stock is more than a 5% gain...they are practically world apart, especially ppl with 3200+ Venices have had more luck than Venice 3500+ owners lol

btw, mcbarnet...Your sig...You tried to write "Mobo: Dfi ...." but it read it as "Mobo :D fi " lol...hence the smiley...just put a space after "Mobo:" and you'll be fine ;)

Perkam

I know Charlie said it's a feeling but I think he's been here long enough to know what he's talking about. Can someone just run some test and see how FX55 do clock for clock vs SD?

When I said 3700+ is 5% faster than 3500+ I was refering to stock. And the only difference between the two is cache that's why I said the extra cache will give you 5% performance boost minimum clock for clock. I thought this has been well established already.

Yes, don't get 3500+, I have one and it sux. You'll prob be better off buying two 3000+ and one will prob turn out to be a good clocker.

LOL, I know my sig is messed up but it just looks funny so I kept it that way. Going to change it soon anyways.

btw, after removing IHS on my 3700 I hit 3ghz 16M stable (no time to run 32M) on water with 1.65v. However it scored the same as 2.9ghz cuz I had to run in divider. Will post after conrad gives me permission.

Time for lunch. Will update after that =D

furyfax
05-05-2005, 03:14 PM
Just wundering about something, I'm kinda keen on ordering a SD 3700+ from Monarch Computers, but I live in norway and I can't see any shipping information! Do they send internationally :confused:
The San Diego's won't reach Norway before june I believe and the prices in Norway are stupid high! I have sent them an e-mail about this question, but they are ignoring me! :slapass:

MsB
05-05-2005, 04:34 PM
Im not a happy camper one day before monarch is suppose to get 4000 procs in they lower the price by about 60-70 bucks. Im thinkin of cnaceling my order and waiting if I have to get another order. Maybe if I call in the morning they'll give em to me at lower price? Since tecnically they haven't finished processing my order.

Major
05-05-2005, 04:57 PM
Im not a happy camper one day before monarch is suppose to get 4000 procs in they lower the price by about 60-70 bucks. Im thinkin of cnaceling my order and waiting if I have to get another order. Maybe if I call in the morning they'll give em to me at lower price? Since tecnically they haven't finished processing my order.


There is a thread about this already, yes email them and they will refund the difference in price. ;)

Major
05-05-2005, 05:01 PM
What is the deal with Super Pi ??? I can't get the SD to pass 16 or 32 meg regardless of OC, voltages, memory settings etc ? but I can run prime95 all day long !!! whats the trick ?

I've never really used Super Pi to bench, only to test for stablity and even then only usually run 1, 2, and 4 meg so I'm not real sure what the deal is with the 16 and 32 ! :D

ozzimark
05-05-2005, 05:08 PM
curious major, i'm having the opposite problem. superPI is being awesome, but prime95 hates me, and proceeds to spew out 100 warnings, but no errors :confused:

Nettwerk
05-05-2005, 05:14 PM
heh, I play CS:S for an hour and it usually tells me if something is wrong.

dmo580
05-05-2005, 06:38 PM
What is the deal with Super Pi ??? I can't get the SD to pass 16 or 32 meg regardless of OC, voltages, memory settings ect ? but I can run prime92 all day long !!! whats the trick ?

I've never really used Super Pi to bench, only to test for stablity and even then only usually run 1, 2, and 4 meg so I'm not real sure what the deal is with the 16 and 32 ! :D

Some benchmarks don't utilize all parts of your CPU. Thus, it's best to be sure you're stable in: Prime, SuperPi, 3DMark, and some game you play a lot.

Crazykooter
05-05-2005, 07:24 PM
With bh-5 ? I am tryin to find out if its my ram or my motherboard that wont let me use 1t above 200fsb. Got any ideas. I am currnetly at 2915 mhz with my dieing tccd ram.

stealth17
05-05-2005, 08:09 PM
wow so IHS off is good correct? should i take it off for my DD unit?

Garrett
05-05-2005, 11:00 PM
After I remove the IHS I gain another 100mhz. Here is the result. Cooling is in sig. CABGE 0515VPMW serial end in 472. Voltage is 1.65v. Had to run UTT in dividor, else score would be better.
Oh yeah!! :clap:
3Ghz SuperPi 16M stable on watercooling :woot:

joe2004
05-06-2005, 04:47 AM
Just wundering about something, I'm kinda keen on ordering a SD 3700+ from Monarch Computers, but I live in norway and I can't see any shipping information! Do they send internationally :confused:
The San Diego's won't reach Norway before june I believe and the prices in Norway are stupid high! I have sent them an e-mail about this question, but they are ignoring me! :slapass:


Monarch does not have them at the moment and they are so much in the back order (mine is two weeks already) that you have no chance of getting it any time soon so it would be a good idea of looking somewhere else.

Rubescen
05-06-2005, 05:11 AM
Monarch does not have them at the moment and they are so much in the back order (mine is two weeks already) that you have no chance of getting it any time soon so it would be a good idea of looking somewhere else.


Monarch has the Retail 3700 SD listed IN STOCK!!

Major
05-06-2005, 06:00 AM
Anyone notice any issues with 10x multi ??

my San Diego (see sig) is fine at 9x and 11x but at 10x its flaky.

I'm running 414-3 bios now going to try 414-1 and see if it resolves the issuses I'm having at 10x.

mcbarnet007
05-06-2005, 06:46 AM
Anyone notice any issues with 10x multi ??

my San Diego (see sig) is fine at 9x and 11x but at 10x its flaky.

I'm running 414-3 bios now going to try 414-1 and see if it resolves the issuses I'm having at 10x.

i think 414-1 is better for TCCD memory. Sometimes Multi can be picky. You might hit higher with one than the other.

Removing IHS gets me 100mhz on water. Improves a lot of stability as well.

soul
05-06-2005, 07:39 AM
I'm on the same boat and have been waiting for my OEM 3700 SD pre-order since 4/19/05, Monarch have the Retail 3700 San Diego listed on their website IN STOCK now, emailed Joe this morning about it and he upgraded my OEM pre-ordered to this Retail box that they just got in today, and also upgraded my 2 days shipping to overnight, all these at no extra cost...SWEET!! I can't wait to receive mine tomorrow, Monarch have got another very happy and satisfied customer for life!! :toast:

I'm curious, did you get a shipping notice yesterday, or your CPU today? I read your post yesterday and e-mailed Joe, and he said he changed my OEM CPU to a retail CPU, but I haven't gotten a shipping notice. I'm HOPING they got it shipped out yesterday... I want to play with this over the weekend!

joe2004
05-06-2005, 09:26 AM
I'm curious, did you get a shipping notice yesterday, or your CPU today? I read your post yesterday and e-mailed Joe, and he said he changed my OEM CPU to a retail CPU, but I haven't gotten a shipping notice. I'm HOPING they got it shipped out yesterday... I want to play with this over the weekend!

Promises, promises. :slap:

Rubescen
05-06-2005, 10:13 AM
I'm curious, did you get a shipping notice yesterday, or your CPU today? I read your post yesterday and e-mailed Joe, and he said he changed my OEM CPU to a retail CPU, but I haven't gotten a shipping notice. I'm HOPING they got it shipped out yesterday... I want to play with this over the weekend!

Unfortunately no, Joe emailed me this morning and said the shipment came in last night so they didn't have enough time to get them out last night :( though he's shipping them out this morning and we will get the shipping noticed either this afternoon or evening, so we won't get it till Monday, nothing to play with this weekend.....sucks! :lol2:


Promises, promises. :slap:

yea i know....nothing we can do though :(

gundamit
05-06-2005, 10:48 AM
Monarch has the Retail 3700 SD listed IN STOCK!! 90nm 4000+ SD
in stock as of this moment. (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120209)

charlie
05-06-2005, 11:19 AM
90nm 4000+ SD
in stock as of this moment. (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120209)

:(

And I paid $67 more than that LAST week....

C

wickedld9
05-06-2005, 12:18 PM
:(

And I paid $67 more than that LAST week....

C

It's better if you ignore it and don't look at prices for a month or two. ;)

RAMMIE
05-06-2005, 01:34 PM
So far not to bad.Does anyone else get the CPU-Z mem bug?Every other software and windows reoorts correct amount of memory.CPUZ reports double whether I use 2x256 or 2x512.
Vapo LS
Zippy PSU

Rubescen
05-06-2005, 01:45 PM
just received the Fedex tracking number for my Retail 3700 San Diego, I will get it on next monday....can't wait!! :D :D I'm wondering if I could stop by Fedex on Saturday and pick it up instead of waiting till Monday...haha

soul
05-06-2005, 01:59 PM
just received the Fedex tracking number for my Retail 3700 San Diego, I will get it on next monday....can't wait!! :D :D I'm wondering if I could stop by Fedex on Saturday and pick it up instead of waiting till Monday...haha

Still nothing for me... here's hoping. I was actually thinking of calling FedEx to find out if they could add Saturday delivery for me.. heh. After looking at their website though, it seems they only do Saturday delivery for priority overnight, and second day shipping.

Ahh well, Monday isn't bad. I'm just getting tired of looking at my current AGP-based socket 754 system, and my new PCI-express video card sitting alone, waiting for a motherboard to call home.

conrad.maranan
05-06-2005, 03:31 PM
I like!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29885
What kind of cooling, RAMMIE? :toast:

kryptobs2000
05-06-2005, 03:36 PM
I like!

What cooling/temps?

And how much better are the 4000+'s doing vs. the 3700's? I'm considering selling my 3500+ clawhammer and getting a 3700, wondering if it'll clock as good as these nice 4000+'s I'm seeing.

RAMMIE
05-06-2005, 03:37 PM
vapo LS

RAMMIE
05-06-2005, 03:39 PM
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8561747
stock card clocks

MsB
05-06-2005, 03:47 PM
Holy smurfys batman, My 4000+ ships tonight!!! :banana: :banana: :clap: :woot: :D

soul
05-06-2005, 04:15 PM
Whee, I got my shipping notice! I'm hoping for around 3ghz on my water cooling setup, but I think I'll settle for anything relatively close. Monday should be interesting..

stealth17
05-06-2005, 04:29 PM
RAMMIE, that 24hour prime stable?

Rubescen
05-06-2005, 04:40 PM
Whee, I got my shipping notice! I'm hoping for around 3ghz on my water cooling setup, but I think I'll settle for anything relatively close. Monday should be interesting..

I wonder what kind of steppings and heatsink/fan we gonna get with these Retail version... :D :D

RAMMIE
05-06-2005, 04:40 PM
RAMMIE, that 24hour prime stable?
haven't tried

Jessfm
05-06-2005, 04:48 PM
Anyone notice any issues with 10x multi ??

my San Diego (see sig) is fine at 9x and 11x but at 10x its flaky.

I'm running 414-3 bios now going to try 414-1 and see if it resolves the issuses I'm having at 10x.

This is true on miy 3700 SD .

Stable as hell with 11x250 and even 9x310 , but 10x275 would result in looping reboots after POST (all defualt Vcore so far)

kryptobs2000
05-06-2005, 04:57 PM
Any signs of instability? Still wanna know the temps

Wingz
05-06-2005, 04:57 PM
This is true on miy 3700 SD .

Stable as hell with 11x250 and even 9x310 , but 10x275 would result in looping reboots after POST (all defualt Vcore so far)

just tried to boot with the 10x multi and got a BSOD half way through loading windows :confused:

computersmsa
05-06-2005, 05:39 PM
Oh yeah!! :clap:
3Ghz SuperPi 16M stable on watercooling :woot:
My 4000+ : http://www.bel-hardware.be/SD4000/WCM_MS_1.55V.PNG
OCCT TEST @ 3.09 GHz @ 1.55V in Water :)

RAMMIE
05-06-2005, 05:41 PM
What cooling/temps?

And how much better are the 4000+'s doing vs. the 3700's? I'm considering selling my 3500+ clawhammer and getting a 3700, wondering if it'll clock as good as these nice 4000+'s I'm seeing.



vapo ls load=evap-47 cpu guess -20

computersmsa
05-06-2005, 05:42 PM
just tried to boot with the 10x multi and got a BSOD half way through loading windows :confused:
It's "funny", my 4000+ work better with 10x that 9 or 11x :)

charlie
05-06-2005, 06:15 PM
better

awesome!!!! 3240mHz 3D stable on Vapo LS.... outstanding!!

C

OCfreak
05-06-2005, 06:37 PM
just tried to boot with the 10x multi and got a BSOD half way through loading windows :confused:

? My 3700+ primed for 12hrs @ 10 x 280

And I can boot @ 10 x 290

2906 10x290 (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=16207)

Major
05-06-2005, 08:10 PM
This is true on miy 3700 SD .

Stable as hell with 11x250 and even 9x310 , but 10x275 would result in looping reboots after POST (all defualt Vcore so far)


what mb and bios Jessfm ?


just tried to boot with the 10x multi and got a BSOD half way through loading windows :confused:

OCfreak your using Asus A8N SLI ?

I'm not the only one that has issues at 10x so it seems, just wondering if its a DFI bios issue ?

Eldonko
05-06-2005, 09:27 PM
Got my 3700 finally, working well so far except 1 problem. My 11x multi will not work whatsoever, I cant boot into windows even at stock speed with 11x. Anyone know a cause/ solution for this?

gundamit
05-06-2005, 10:18 PM
awesome!!!! 3240mHz 3D stable on Vapo LS.... outstanding!! I'm just as impressed that he's running 2gigs of memory (although FutureMark is not picking it up) and I'm guessing its 4 512mb sticks of TCCD so that's a 2T run. It might be an odd WR. I've never seen it, but I like it. :)

sense
05-07-2005, 01:39 AM
Ahh looks like MonarchJoe didnt upgrade my shipping to overnight, according to the fedex tracking number its set for 2 day like I had originally asked for back on 04/15. This is for a retail 3700+ btw. Ohh well the rest of my gear doesnt arrive till Tuesday anyways.

UObean
05-07-2005, 01:44 AM
Ahh looks like MonarchJoe didnt upgrade my shipping to overnight, according to the fedex tracking number its set for 2 day like I had originally asked for back on 04/15. This is for a retail 3700+ btw. Ohh well the rest of my gear doesnt arrive till Tuesday anyways.

I preordered mine last week and requested the cheapest shipping possible and it was upgraded to 2-day. I imagine he just gave everyone 2-day shipping. Since he was shipping out on a friday, it wouldn't seem logical to do overnight because it wouldn't get there until monday anyways.

Funny_S
05-07-2005, 04:27 AM
damn what a lovely cpu, i almost bought myself a venice on ebay but i think i'll wait a little longer to get my hands on this baby :woot:
it really is a look-a-like of the fx-55

Funny_S
05-07-2005, 04:29 AM
:(

And I paid $67 more than that LAST week....

C

auwch :fight:

sideeffect
05-07-2005, 05:01 AM
I got my San diego yesterday along with a neo 2 platinium nforce3. The cpu booted right away with bios version 1.4 and multipliers and name string were all correct. :banana:

So far im using the stock cooler so have only done low overclocking running currently at 240 x 11 = 2646 mhz thats at stock voltage. Idles at 32 degrees loads at 42 degrees.

Im going to move it into my vapochill PE tommorow to really see what it can do.

The neo 2 set 2 t for the ram with a san diego and there was no option to change that in bios. I upgraded to 1.8 bios and that didnt help so im using athlon 64 tweaker to set 1 t when windows starts. 1 t works fine when i do it that way so hopefully they will make a new bios to fix that glitch.

RAMMIE
05-07-2005, 05:08 AM
I'm just as impressed that he's running 2gigs of memory (although FutureMark is not picking it up) and I'm guessing its 4 512mb sticks of TCCD so that's a 2T run. It might be an odd WR. I've never seen it, but I like it. :)


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=850503#post850503

LowRun
05-07-2005, 05:08 AM
I'm just as impressed that he's running 2gigs of memory (although FutureMark is not picking it up) and I'm guessing its 4 512mb sticks of TCCD so that's a 2T run. It might be an odd WR. I've never seen it, but I like it. :)

I think it's a CPU-Z bug that displays double the amount of ram.

Jessfm
05-07-2005, 05:33 AM
what mb and bios Jessfm ?



OCfreak your using Asus A8N SLI ?

I'm not the only one that has issues at 10x so it seems, just wondering if its a DFI bios issue ?


Yes DFI

OCfreak
05-07-2005, 08:03 AM
what mb and bios Jessfm ?

OCfreak your using Asus A8N SLI ?




Yes A8N-SLI deluxe bios 1007

mrbios
05-07-2005, 07:44 PM
hi lads, ive not looked into these new chips much yet (been to stuck into my new addiction - guild wars) can anyone tell me the maximum voltage these are safe to run at using phase? (mach2 GT unmodified to be exact)

looking forward to getting mine soon, new ram whisking its way to me as well :) (i love the week after payday lol)

mad mikee
05-07-2005, 08:24 PM
I have teh crappiest 3700 SD so far, can't boot @ anything over 2600 or 9x275 so far @ any voltages.

I will NEVER order a chip again, I MUST be able to SEE it in PERSON before I buy.
Me thinks winnie is going back in b4 teh end of the week and I will get my pleasure from this chip w/ a :hammer: since I won't be getting another for A LONG TIME :brick: :upset:

Eldonko
05-07-2005, 10:39 PM
Be patient man, I had the exact same problem. Give CMOS a good long clearing and try a different multi.

quicksilverXP
05-08-2005, 12:21 AM
Yes... mine is a bit odd as well. I can put it up to 2850 fine at 1.7v and run SuperPi 32M, Memtest is fine, all games play fine for 4 hours+, can loop all 3dMarks, but Prime95 can't even pass 1st test. Tried all bioses... I think I'm gonna go ahead and give up on Prime...

Ludus
05-08-2005, 01:13 AM
i haven't read all the topic. in conclusion this san diego are good or bad? have they any problems?
thank you

iboomalot
05-08-2005, 04:55 AM
I have teh crappiest 3700 SD so far, can't boot @ anything over 2600 or 9x275 so far @ any voltages.

I will NEVER order a chip again, I MUST be able to SEE it in PERSON before I buy.
Me thinks winnie is going back in b4 teh end of the week and I will get my pleasure from this chip w/ a :hammer: since I won't be getting another for A LONG TIME :brick: :upset:


sell it to someone on ebay for a profit/brkeven more than likely they will only run it at stock speeds anyways.

I'd sell before too long and you looose money on the chip.

Cador
05-08-2005, 06:49 AM
Hi, going to order a a new cpu soon and considering between a 3200+ and 3700+. Can I check if most of the 3700s are able to hit at least 2.7Ghz on stock cooling?

sideeffect
05-08-2005, 07:51 AM
hi Cador

Im using stock cooling on my 3700 at the moment and its running at 2750 mhz 250 x 11 at 1.47 volts.

I did take the stock fan off though and am using a sunon 80 mm fan temperatures are 29 degrees idle and 42 degrees load. Havnt tried for more clocks yet as i have a vapochill to put the mobo into.

Regards

CPU number
ADA2700DAA5BN
CABGE 0515SPMW
1237218D50918

Ryan45
05-08-2005, 09:44 AM
Yes Monarch shipped mine on friday, so i will get it on Tuesday :toast:
Hopefully my Neo2 doesn't give me any :banana::banana::banana::banana:. :stick:

obscurehero
05-08-2005, 10:53 AM
Ok, sorry guys who've been waiting forever...

I ordered my 4000+ on friday, and they gave me 2 day automatically. Its on its way supposedly. However, that brings me to a question. I have some ocz vx pc-4000 and a dfi sli-dr. Should I use the 414-3 bios (I think I got that right)? Is that the best bios to use for winbond utt?? I guess the tccd bios of choice is 414-1 but for the utt???

ADM
05-08-2005, 11:59 AM
Ok, sorry guys who've been waiting forever...

I ordered my 4000+ on friday, and they gave me 2 day automatically. Its on its way supposedly. However, that brings me to a question. I have some ocz vx pc-4000 and a dfi sli-dr. Should I use the 414-3 bios (I think I got that right)? Is that the best bios to use for winbond utt?? I guess the tccd bios of choice is 414-1 but for the utt???

The 414-3 appears to be good for most people at the moment with the new cores and UTT.

Rubescen
05-08-2005, 12:08 PM
for those who couldn't get your SD to OC'ed past 2.75Ghz stable, can you please post the steppings? is it OEM or Retail?

Rubescen
05-08-2005, 12:11 PM
I have teh crappiest 3700 SD so far, can't boot @ anything over 2600 or 9x275 so far @ any voltages.

I will NEVER order a chip again, I MUST be able to SEE it in PERSON before I buy.
Me thinks winnie is going back in b4 teh end of the week and I will get my pleasure from this chip w/ a :hammer: since I won't be getting another for A LONG TIME :brick: :upset:

Maybe the heatsink didn't sit properly on the cpu? you can try different BIOS as well.

GoodOmens
05-08-2005, 01:55 PM
From what I've seen all the san diego's have the same steppings now. Well the oems anyways.

GoodOmens
05-08-2005, 01:56 PM
That a retail chip?? Not bad for stock cooling!

dmo580
05-08-2005, 03:02 PM
Can you guys list your cooling specs out when you post those on the actual OC thread? As well as your entire hardware setup preferably? Steppings too? Kthx. I like the screenies, but I need a bit more info with those.

Spinal
05-08-2005, 03:28 PM
hello, I am I aim to order my San Diego but it is worth the trouble to pay 148dlls but between 3700+ and 4000+? ... since I want to replace my old Winchester Overclocker not very

P_1
05-08-2005, 04:27 PM
hello, I am I aim to order my San Diego but it is worth the trouble to pay 148dlls but between 3700+ and 4000+? ... since I want to replace my old Winchester Overclocker not very

Translation: I want to order a San Diego, but I dont know if it is worth it to pay the extra 148dlls? for the 4000+ over the 3700+. Since I really want to replace my old Winchester that does not overclock very well. :toast: :banana: :lol: :hehe: :ROTF:

mrbios
05-08-2005, 05:02 PM
lol P_1, spinal it seems a bit much to pay for an extra 200mhz, get the 3700 and make it sweat imo ;)

mad mikee
05-09-2005, 05:20 AM
I have teh crappiest 3700 SD so far, can't boot @ anything over 2600 or 9x275 so far @ any voltages.

I will NEVER order a chip again, I MUST be able to SEE it in PERSON before I buy.
Me thinks winnie is going back in b4 teh end of the week and I will get my pleasure from this chip w/ a :hammer: since I won't be getting another for A LONG TIME :brick: :upset:

(Then /me goes and quietly convinces machine to run memtest #8 for 1 hr @ 300x10 (of course not stable and have to run @1.7vcore :mad: )
Then /me pulls out ancient mismatched set of .5G LLPT + .5G KHX3200 (BH5 :D ) and fiddles some, ran OCCT (900 meg mem usage) for 5+ hrs last nite at sig settings w/ just about every setting LOW (haven't tried 1.5 CAS too much yet).).

Sig reflects current state of affairs. Also redid my water cooling loop and added my x800xl to the loop. New pics tonite in the WC gallery if I get time :D (And I STILL Have to get the 2-342 installed in teh new case! )

ante_ante
05-09-2005, 09:48 AM
What´s the differrence between thees 2 san diegos?

ADA3700DAA5BN
ADA3700BNBOX

?????????????????????????????

pershoot
05-09-2005, 09:53 AM
Aa5bn = Oem
Bnbox = Retail

pershoot
05-09-2005, 09:55 AM
3700+ came. CABGE 0515SPMW, AA5BN.

ante_ante
05-09-2005, 10:31 AM
3700+ came. CABGE 0515SPMW, AA5BN.

Thank u mate :toast:

Waus-mod
05-09-2005, 11:32 AM
Saftlad,

What cooling? and what stepping and week

perry_78
05-09-2005, 12:17 PM
The purpose of the "official" thread is for forum members to display their overclocking accomplishments. I weeded out 4 pages of this from the other thread: "Oooh. I hope my chip does that!"..."But is it Prime stable?"..."What's the default multiplier on that again?"...Where did you buy it?"..."Is it worth it?"

The point of this thread is for all other discussions with regard to the overclocks in the "official" thread. A lot of forum members like to get straight to the point with the screenshots without having to sift through a mile of smileys and other posts.

Ah, you are unfair conrad :) I asked about the multi in there, and once I found the answer I deleted my post :)

mrbios
05-09-2005, 12:41 PM
Saftlad,

What cooling? and what stepping and week

hes using phasechange

cpulloverclock
05-09-2005, 01:03 PM
bad timings help to get a high cpu frequency with SD??

it's an impression


8M@3215MHz = 4'45"062

soul
05-09-2005, 01:45 PM
I wonder what kind of steppings and heatsink/fan we gonna get with these Retail version... :D :D

FedEx finally decided to show up with my stuff... haven't gotten it installed yet, but the IHS is labeled:

ADA3700DAA5BN
CABGE 0512XPMW

Also got a free t-shirt from Monarch. I got a good laugh when I noticed that the t-shirt has a sticker on the label that says "Warranty void if removed". Heh. Off to setup my system, and hope for the best...!

Waus-mod
05-09-2005, 01:49 PM
Can you post results soul?

Mrki
05-09-2005, 02:44 PM
Stable

http://www.theqbs.com/swampy/prime.jpg

Best 1mbSuper PI

http://www.theqbs.com/swampy/3300mhz.jpg

Dont know how many volts I dare put through this.


cooling?

kryptobs2000
05-09-2005, 02:46 PM
phase change, cpu temp -13c, look at the pic

Gorod
05-09-2005, 05:17 PM
Omg , 3300MHz thats insane ! :eek: Not many FX55 will do that :eek: Why did i bought this Venice with only 3150MHz max. overclock ? :slap: :mad: Dang i need to sell it and try a SanDiego insted :slap:

kryptobs2000
05-09-2005, 07:30 PM
Wonder whats causing this big decrease in memory bandwidth. Your timings could be different than saftlad's.

brandinb
05-09-2005, 09:24 PM
no the sandiego core has a drop in memory bandwidth compared to old winchester and claw cores

maybe it can be fixed in a bios upgrade
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Dumo
05-09-2005, 10:09 PM
I wonder too...Hows fx55BN will compare to 55-130nm..

ben805
05-10-2005, 05:14 AM
The San Diego need less vcore to run the same speed as the Venice, but the SD runs almost 20 degree hotter....around 60'C under load! I ran the PCmark04 to compare to his Venice and found almost no gain, cpumark99 is slightly higher that's about it, at this point I don't know if it really worth the extra money for gain that I can barely see over the Venice, though I have a single stage phase change on the way soon, will have to wait and see how well it does under extreme temperature, I hope this SD has slightly higher ceiling...


My 3700 SD:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30129


Venice:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29723

Mrki
05-10-2005, 05:51 AM
phase change, cpu temp -13c, look at the pic

the temp diode does not read correctly ;)

xgman
05-10-2005, 08:57 AM
I wonder too...Hows fx55BN will compare to 55-130nm..


Got one coming in later this week. :D But then again my 130 55 does 3 gighz on water so I'm not expecting miracles.

Soulburner
05-10-2005, 10:02 AM
This is going to become a problem, if a mod is going to move posts out of the OC thread and into the discussion thread, they need to edit the post and include a link to the post being referred to. This thread is just going to end up being a "dump" for all posts that don't belong in the OC thread with none of them really correlating with each other as a discussion...

uwackme
05-10-2005, 10:33 AM
368 vs 332 for CPUmark result sure looks like a 10% improvement for 1M cache vs 512K cache....in this particular bench, certainly worth noting.

Also, 26m 54sec vs 26m 09sec is a nice gain for simply large cache.

ben805
05-10-2005, 01:17 PM
368 vs 332 for CPUmark result sure looks like a 10% improvement for 1M cache vs 512K cache....in this particular bench, certainly worth noting.

Also, 26m 54sec vs 26m 09sec is a nice gain for simply large cache.

cpumark99 is the only benchmark that shows more than 5% gain, otherwise 3DMark, PCmark, Sandra, Winrar, and any other benchmarks didn't show much. look at the version of my SuperPI....it's the SSE3 patched version so the gain is expected, I'll run the unpatched version to show you the jaw dropping gain I got :D :D

cpulloverclock
05-10-2005, 01:30 PM
cpumark99 is the only benchmark that shows more than 5% gain, otherwise 3DMark, PCmark, Sandra, Winrar, and any other benchmarks didn't show much. look at the version of my SuperPI....it's the SSE3 patched version so the gain is expected, I'll run the unpatched version to show you the jaw dropping gain I got :D :D
with my 3000+ I get 26.9s at 3046MHz unpatched version and my 4000+ has 26.9s at 2992-5MHz but I believe the FX-55 is better than the SD for SPI

-200/300MB/s of bandwidth is too bad

improvement of 1.5-2%

ben805
05-10-2005, 02:01 PM
with my 3000+ I get 26.9s at 3046MHz unpatched version and my 4000+ has 26.9s at 2992-5MHz but I believe the FX-55 is better than the SD for SPI

-200/300MB/s of bandwidth is too bad

improvement of 1.5-2%

I also noticed that as well, the FX-55 also yield a noticeable higher memory bandwidth so maybe the memory controller on those FX are superior to the SD or Venice? my SD on memtest also shows couple hundreds less than the Venice and Winnie so I don't know what the deal is....maybe it's just a software or bios bugs, still toying with the idea of getting a used FX-55 to run on PS but I'll hang on to the SD for now, and hopefully it's just a software issues that can be patch with future updates. I have the Mushkin Redline XP4000 on the way so maybe it will be a different story to pair them up together.
If I had to do it all over again and if I were to stick with air or water cool, I'll definitely get the Venice, the SD is very toasty....underload is around 59~60'C, the Venice running at the same speed and higher vcore only load at 42~45'C, that's quite a different, perhaps removing the IHS should help but since I have the phase change on the way, I better keep it on for now. I'll load up the Windows 2003 Server and see how it does..

joe2004
05-10-2005, 02:26 PM
Agree. I have now SD 3700 and this is not better than Venice 3000 while it is $200 more. Venice overclocks better on air and the 1 MB gain on L2 cache is too little advantage, as far as I am concerned. The difference is minimal. I can get SD to 2.75 with 1.5V and this is where it gets hot already. Venice can take 1.7V and I can get it to 2.85 GHz.
Frankly, SD is a waste of money, in my view.

webbyboy
05-10-2005, 02:28 PM
Agree. I have now SD 3700 and this is not better than Venice 3000 while it is $200 more. Venice overclocks better on air and the 1 MB gain on L2 cache is nowhere to be seen, as far as I am concerned. The difference is minimal. I can get SD to 2.75 with 1.5V and this is where it gets hot already. Venice can take 1.7V and I can get it to 2.85 GHz.
Frankly, SD is a waste of money, in my view.


I wanted to get a SD too but seeing the results made me think of venice more. And i think the gain of 1MB L2 is very minimal.

joe2004
05-10-2005, 02:30 PM
I think if you have a phase change cooling then this is a worthy chip. It is just simply too hot to overclock high on air.

ben805
05-10-2005, 02:50 PM
Agree. I have now SD 3700 and this is not better than Venice 3000 while it is $200 more. Venice overclocks better on air and the 1 MB gain on L2 cache is too little advantage, as far as I am concerned. The difference is minimal. I can get SD to 2.75 with 1.5V and this is where it gets hot already. Venice can take 1.7V and I can get it to 2.85 GHz.
Frankly, SD is a waste of money, in my view.

Yup, if you're going to air/water cool...looks like the Venice is probably a better choice since it runs MUCH cooler, probably better chances to overclock higher as well. IMHO the 1MB L2 cache is overrated and if you have a tight budget and trying to get the most out of your money, then I don't think 3700 SD worth the extra $144 over the 3200 Venice, and of course...this is just my personal opinion.
But as Joe said, phase change and the like should combat the high heat that these SD puts out..

ben805
05-10-2005, 02:54 PM
I wanted to get a SD too but seeing the results made me think of venice more. And i think the gain of 1MB L2 is very minimal.

minimal is an overstatement, give me sometime and I'll give you a side by side comparison of these two chips under PCMark04 at the same clock speed, this is my preference benchy because it gives me a better picture of an overall performance such as audio/video encoding/decoding, file compression, encryption, virus scan and stuff like that.

brandinb
05-10-2005, 05:09 PM
Yup, if you're going to air/water cool...looks like the Venice is probably a better choice since it runs MUCH cooler, probably better chances to overclock higher as well. IMHO the 1MB L2 cache is overrated and if you have a tight budget and trying to get the most out of your money, then I don't think 3700 SD worth the extra $144 over the 3200 Venice, and of course...this is just my personal opinion.
But as Joe said, phase change and the like should combat the high heat that these SD puts out..

i was thinking the same thing while testing my sandiego then i poped the heat spreader and my load temps went from 56c on water to 42c with prime95 and thats with more v-core and 100mhz higher overclock!!!!!

my heatspreader had bubble gum under it it was a bad sight. i dont think they use shin etsu anymore mine had gray buble gum stuff. i lost 18c by removing it and can now run pi at 2930 when before it maxed at 2800 so......

do it!!
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eva2000
05-10-2005, 05:43 PM
I bought OPB's 4000+ Sandy CABHE 0515 SPMW. Anyone experience this ? OPB managed 2850mhz at 1.45v on air using X-90C but i can't get anywhere near that on water ?

superpi 1m stable only with 12x cpu multiplier at:

2700mhz at 1.52v
2760mhz at 1.57v
2808mhz at 1.65-1.67v

try <1.5v and BSOD on windows boot

on

DFI NF4 SLI-D with 414-3 and 310 official bios set to 3.3v psu rail jumper (default)
2x 256MB Gskill PC4400LE does 290-315mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T on winnie/clawhammer
2x 512MB Gskill PC4400LE does 290mhz 2.5-3-3-7 1T on winnie
2x eVGA 6800U PCI-E SLI 71.89WHL
120GBW D 1200JB
650W Silverstone SLI PSU

6.39 chipset driver
WinXP PRO SP2

did fresh windows install with 6.53 remix drivers and WinXP PRO SP2 and exact same poor ocs :(

i'm using MCW6002 waterblock with MCP650+MCP600 in series and Thermochill 120.3 with 3x Panaflo 103cfm fans on high speed.

at stock 12x200mhz windows smartguardian idles cpu at 29-31C and load 39-41C

tried using 166 and 180 dividers as well as same problems unstable superpi 1m and pifast errors immediately.

Any ideas ? :(

stealth17
05-10-2005, 06:59 PM
alright well ive done some reading and as i got my 3700 SD today i want to clear some stuff up.

im getting phase-change so should i still remove the IHS?

whats the max safe voltage benching and the max safe 24/7?

has anyone run one on a stock hsf, if so, what did you get?

thanks guys..oh and at say 3.3ghz, does anyone know about how many watts of heat this babby puts out?

jikdoc
05-10-2005, 07:12 PM
i've got the same impressions on fx55 vs 3700SD in terms of mem bandwidth. overall i think SD will oc higher than fx55 on single phase. i'm not sure the lower mem bandwidth is real or simply a glitch in the programs that measure it. for example, if you take a look at the 32m scores i posted in the following thread, at nearly the same clocks, the SD is faster even though it's 8mhz slower on cpu and 4mhz slower on ram speed

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=856598#post856598

@eva, my only guess would be the psu, how is the silverstone? i'm assuming opb is on pcpc 850. have you tweaked drive strength (i know you probably have) also what are opb's ambient temps versus yours?

edit: max spi 1m stable 3.3g (for now, need to sleep)

http://img237.echo.cx/img237/1871/superpi1m2587fl.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

joe2004
05-10-2005, 07:20 PM
My impression is now that SD is not worth one penny over Venice and certainly not $200 more than Venice 3000. As a matter of fact whoever intends to use air only cooling should get Venice.

I can clearly see how SD gets hotter and then drops in performance. I compare the SuperPi iterations on Venice at 2.8 GHz and SD at 2.75 GHz. SD goes faster in the first 5-8 iterations and then starts dropping down to Venice, at the end my Venice chip gets better than SD.
I am sure this is a consequence of heating up.

Now, if I had a phase change this would probably be a different story. Thats an idea. :slapass:

snic320
05-10-2005, 10:38 PM
So i´m on the way of requesting a Sandy 3700+.....you really think it´s not a good deal against the Venice in terms of oc? (will use watercooling and i really dont need to go past 2800Mhzs or so, btw it´s a G4+Bix3+Bix), will mix it with DFI Ultra D and UTT mushkin BLue mems

thanx

jikdoc
05-10-2005, 11:35 PM
- 3700+ CABGE 0515SPMW
Is 1.8v safe? Should the IHS come off? :D
for benching sure
NO!!!

XTCgr
05-10-2005, 11:39 PM
I bought OPB's 4000+ Sandy CABHE 0515 SPMW. Anyone experience this ? OPB managed 2850mhz at 1.45v on air using X-90C but i can't get anywhere near that on water ?

superpi 1m stable only with 12x cpu multiplier at:

2700mhz at 1.52v
2760mhz at 1.57v
2808mhz at 1.65-1.67v



my SD 3700+ CABGE 0512 XPMW has the same behaviour (though in my case i can use 11 and 10 multi) - cpu on water and now i am struggling for 2900. I havent tried with air cooling to compare and find out any differences with watercooling

kryptobs2000
05-11-2005, 03:09 AM
Nice background :p:

Rukee
05-11-2005, 03:31 AM
I didn`t read all 10 pages, but my SD 3700 has a cold boot issue, it will not boot in a Vapo with iether a DFI NF4 Ultra or a A8V deluxe. In the DFI the MB LEDs stall out at CPU detect. Both MBs have the latest BIOSs.

ewitte
05-11-2005, 05:42 AM
I'll include a screen shot and more #'s within a few days :) Results so far:

3700+ CABGE
Watercooling with Swiftech wb and Bonneville heater core
dfi nf4-d
pqi PC4000 (TCCD)
250*11 / 1:1 memory
cpu 2.75Ghz mem 250Mhz
spi 1m ~ 30.122s
vcore 1.5, vdimm 2.7

superpi stable for only 2 minutes at 2.75Ghz but 1hr 40 min at 2.7Ghz. I'm doing a burn-in at 2.75 right now. Will try for max OC with 1.6v vcore.

Eric

ewitte
05-11-2005, 06:51 AM
My impression is now that SD is not worth one penny over Venice and certainly not $200 more than Venice 3000. As a matter of fact whoever intends to use air only cooling should get Venice.

I can clearly see how SD gets hotter and then drops in performance. I compare the SuperPi iterations on Venice at 2.8 GHz and SD at 2.75 GHz. SD goes faster in the first 5-8 iterations and then starts dropping down to Venice, at the end my Venice chip gets better than SD.
I am sure this is a consequence of heating up.

Now, if I had a phase change this would probably be a different story. Thats an idea. :slapass:

Water should be enough to keep the temperatures tame. Mine only shoots up to 31-32C load after overclocking to 2.75 and bumping to 1.5v.

Eric

Rukee
05-11-2005, 07:11 AM
I didn`t read all 10 pages, but my SD 3700 has a cold boot issue, it will not boot in a Vapo with iether a DFI NF4 Ultra or a A8V deluxe. In the DFI the MB LEDs stall out at CPU detect. Both MBs have the latest BIOSs.
my bad, I bent a couple of pins insering it in the socket full of dielectric grease, it`s back up and running on air again, I`ll retest frozen later.

joe2004
05-11-2005, 07:24 AM
I used air-conditioning last night to drop the temperature in my room to about 15-16C and voila I was able to overclock SD 3700 to 2,830 MHz with 1.62V.
I run 32 MB superpi bench without problem breaking my record with 26 min 28 sec. However I did side by side comparison running Deep Fritz Mark (chess) and my Venice at 2.81 GHz was doing actually a little better than SD at 2.80 GHz. Hard to explain that but again I think it is a drop in performance because of generated heat.

This chip almost certainly requires better than air cooling and can fly with phase change, no doubt.

ben805
05-11-2005, 07:26 AM
alright well ive done some reading and as i got my 3700 SD today i want to clear some stuff up.

im getting phase-change so should i still remove the IHS?

whats the max safe voltage benching and the max safe 24/7?

has anyone run one on a stock hsf, if so, what did you get?

thanks guys..oh and at say 3.3ghz, does anyone know about how many watts of heat this babby puts out?


keep the IHS on, last thing you need is crushing the core especially this is going to be your first phase change, unless you've swapped the cpu in and out and mounted the tube on phase change for hundred times otherwise I wouldn't risk it.

Eldonko
05-11-2005, 07:50 AM
Water should be enough to keep the temperatures tame. Mine only shoots up to 31-32C load after overclocking to 2.75 and bumping to 1.5v.

Eric

True, however if you look at the results posted, the difference between air and water cooling is minimal (~100Mhz) and the difference between water and phase is huge (400-500Mhz).

@ easypanic

What voltage are you using, I see CPU-z says 1.808 and it reports low so are you using 1.82v??? Man I didn't dare to go over 1.7 with H20.

Da[]San
05-11-2005, 08:08 AM
easypanic : Thats seems an awfully high vcore to be running, any idea of how its scalling ie. what voltage per 100mhz gained?

ewitte
05-11-2005, 08:11 AM
True, however if you look at the results posted, the difference between air and water cooling is minimal (~100Mhz) and the difference between water and phase is huge (400-500Mhz).

@ easypanic

What voltage are you using, I see CPU-z says 1.808 and it reports low so are you using 1.82v??? Man I didn't dare to go over 1.7 with H20.

I was referring to the comment about it throttling because of heat. You would have to have a pretty poor wc or screw something up for that to happen on water. Really even with air. I'm still at 1.5v. With a room temp of 70-75F my load reading was 28-29C running 2.2Ghz at stock voltage and 31-32C at 2.75Ghz 1.5v. Thats a pretty big difference for only a 4C increase in temps.

Eric

easypanic
05-11-2005, 09:02 AM
It needs an awfully high vcore to reach that speed :(.

I can go to 2.7 GHz on 1.45V, beyond that I need lots of Vcore....
I guess it can do 2.9 with 1.7x ,but I haven't had the time to test more...

joe2004
05-11-2005, 09:53 AM
I am absolutely positive that at least with the one I have the main issue is heat. I can easily overclock to above 2.8 with 1.6+V if the temperature of my room is low, meaning using air-conditioning full force. But when I have normal room conditions, say 25-26C then this is not possible. The system starts crashing before 1.6V.
I can also see the slowdown in performance after running benchmarks for a while, at the 100% CPU utilization. This is almost certainly due to heat, I cannot see anything else. This SD CPUs have a great potential but a standard air-cooling won't do it and I am using XP-120 with a Delta 120 fan. Venice is much better choice.
By the way your 31-32C temperatures do not sound realistic to me, unless your room conditions are fairly cold.

Da[]San
05-11-2005, 10:33 AM
Mine too likes vcore, also dosen't mind temps. Last night i was runnning S&M at 2.8ghz 1.65vcore and it was hitting 65 degrees. Cooling xp90 but it didn't crash? is that weird or what?

Eldonko
05-11-2005, 11:04 AM
Those temps sound real low to me too, unless its chilled water or something. I run mine at 1.65v and have a good h20 system (big heatercore with 4x120 cooling it) and temps peak at 45C. At 1.7v I'm guessing I would hit 47C.

easypanic do you plan on running 1.8v 24-7? I dunno if that's a good idea heh.

@peter lu - how did you manage that clock at default voltage? I can't seem to get past 2600Mhz at default. If you got 2800Mhz stable at 1.4v you should be able to hit 3k with it with some volts. What stepping? Cabbage batch?

ewitte
05-11-2005, 11:30 AM
Those temps sound real low to me too, unless its chilled water or something. I run mine at 1.65v and have a good h20 system (big heatercore with 4x120 cooling it) and temps peak at 45C. At 1.7v I'm guessing I would hit 47C.


Going by idle temp I'd estimate those temperatures being about 5C off. That would put it really around 36-37C. I'm running 1.5 versus 1.65. That will make a good difference. Also what WB are you running it on? The waterpump and flowrate seem to matter the most. Also my GPU is not included in the loop. Are you watercooling your GPU as well?

My temps don't change even 0.1% turning my 120mm fans up to 12v or even adding another 2. Since it does not help I just run 2x120mm fans at 5v off of a Sunbeam Rheobus controller.

Eric

ben805
05-11-2005, 12:56 PM
San']Mine too likes vcore, also dosen't mind temps. Last night i was runnning S&M at 2.8ghz 1.65vcore and it was hitting 65 degrees. Cooling xp90 but it didn't crash? is that weird or what?

65'C = way passed the Winnie crashing point :D :D I don't know about any other Winnie out there, but mine will be in crash city if it was anywhere close to 57'C. It looks like most of these Venice and SD can take a better beating and dig higher vcore :D :D

FragTek
05-11-2005, 01:10 PM
Hey guys... New member here but not to the OC community :)

I just picked up a 4000+ Diego which came in yesterday and I've been working on it's overclock, yet it seems a bit on the weak on side... I'm actually trying to figure out of it's just my PSU taking a dump on me (which is suspected at this point)

Here's system specs:
4000+ Diego (CABHE 0515)
EPoX 9NPA+ Ultra
1gb OCZ Rev. 2 EL Plat.
eVGA 6800GT
2 x 74gb Raptors
Fortron 500w Blue Storm PSU
Watercooled (Thermochill HE120.3 [6 x 120mm Pana's in push/pull], 2 x Laing D4 pumps, Swiftech MCW6002-64 CPU Block, DD Maze 4 GPU Block, DD Maze 4 Chipset Block).

I'm having a helluva time getting this beast over 2.8ghz 100% solid. At 2.8 it's solid as a rock and nothing can stop it.

2.8Ghz OC Numbers:
FSB: 255x12
HTT: 3x
VCore: 1.75v
Timings: 2-2-2-5-1T (6:5 Divider)
Idle Temp: 34*c
Load Temp: 41*c

Some strange things that have been happening... If I run at 1.75-1.8vcore the idle and load temps are lower than if I run at 1.6v? wtf? Also, the vcore seems to be drooping pretty low, if I set it up for 1.85v in the bios in reality it's about 1.78v idle and 1.73v load.... Comp won't even post at anything higher than about 2.92ghz no matter what I do to the voltage, timings, dividers, cpu multi, fsb, etc... Edit: I tried touching up the 3.3v rail etc, on the psu but nothing helped.

Just curious as if there's a secret to this proc :) Thanks guys, glad to be a part of XS!

saiamne
05-11-2005, 03:30 PM
Largely untested since I finally got everything up and running very late last night, but I'm currently at 2.9ghz on (rather extensive) Air Cooling with my 4000+ SD

No screenies or anything since I'm posting from work, and nothing interesting to SS yet anyway

Windows stable for games and downloads...will start torture testing tonite with some Priming and get a few SPi runs in

haven't seen temps over 40c yet...but like I said it hasn't really been pushed yet

Most details listed in my Sig

:toast:

Da[]San
05-11-2005, 03:45 PM
65'C = way passed the Winnie crashing point :D :D I don't know about any other Winnie out there, but mine will be in crash city if it was anywhere close to 57'C. It looks like most of these Venice and SD can take a better beating and dig higher vcore :D :D
I wonder what is the max safe temp then? i'm taking a break from clocking this puppy until i put back my watercooling gear i just don't trust >1.6vcore on air

stealth17
05-11-2005, 03:47 PM
Some strange things that have been happening... If I run at 1.75-1.8vcore the idle and load temps are lower than if I run at 1.6v? wtf? Also, the vcore seems to be drooping pretty low, if I set it up for 1.85v in the bios in reality it's about 1.78v idle and 1.73v load.... Comp won't even post at anything higher than about 2.92ghz no matter what I do to the voltage, timings, dividers, cpu multi, fsb, etc... Edit: I tried touching up the 3.3v rail etc, on the psu but nothing helped.

Just curious as if there's a secret to this proc :) Thanks guys, glad to be a part of XS!

sounds like your PSU is total :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: or it is dying. also, your mobo could be causing the droop. my bet is the droop is whats causing you to stop at 2.8ghz!

list your PSU brand and specs (rail amperage)

FragTek
05-11-2005, 04:57 PM
sounds like your PSU is total :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: or it is dying. also, your mobo could be causing the droop. my bet is the droop is whats causing you to stop at 2.8ghz!

list your PSU brand and specs (rail amperage)

I've seen this board do some amazing things on other cpu's w/ a different (much better) psu so that's where my suspicions currently lie.

I'm using a 500w Fortron Blue Storm rails are as follows: +3.3V@30A, +5V@28A, +12V1@15A, +12V2@15A, -12V@0.5A, +5Vsb@2.0A.

I don't know of the 12v rails are strong enough for all of the crap I have running on them to start off with... lol

stealth17
05-11-2005, 06:19 PM
I've seen this board do some amazing things on other cpu's w/ a different (much better) psu so that's where my suspicions currently lie.

I'm using a 500w Fortron Blue Storm rails are as follows: +3.3V@30A, +5V@28A, +12V1@15A, +12V2@15A, -12V@0.5A, +5Vsb@2.0A.

I don't know of the 12v rails are strong enough for all of the crap I have running on them to start off with... lol

the 12s arent too bad considering its a atx 2.0 psu... are you sure the 5v is 28A? the 3.3v is good, -12v is good, +5vsb is good but i just can not believe a forton 500watt has a 5v of 28amp!!! :slapass:

you need closer to 50amp to really stabilize things.... :fact:

what all do you have running in the computer?

oh and welcome to XS! :toast:

eva2000
05-11-2005, 10:06 PM
I used air-conditioning last night to drop the temperature in my room to about 15-16C and voila I was able to overclock SD 3700 to 2,830 MHz with 1.62V.
I run 32 MB superpi bench without problem breaking my record with 26 min 28 sec. However I did side by side comparison running Deep Fritz Mark (chess) and my Venice at 2.81 GHz was doing actually a little better than SD at 2.80 GHz. Hard to explain that but again I think it is a drop in performance because of generated heat.

This chip almost certainly requires better than air cooling and can fly with phase change, no doubt. what was the difference between max ocs with or without aircon ?

joe2004
05-12-2005, 12:44 AM
About 80 MHz. I got it today to 2.86 GHz 32MB SuperPi stable using 1.7V. Without air-conditioning I cannot apply anything about 1.6V.

FragTek
05-12-2005, 02:04 AM
the 12s arent too bad considering its a atx 2.0 psu... are you sure the 5v is 28A? the 3.3v is good, -12v is good, +5vsb is good but i just can not believe a forton 500watt has a 5v of 28amp!!! :slapass:

you need closer to 50amp to really stabilize things.... :fact:

what all do you have running in the computer?

oh and welcome to XS! :toast:

Thx for the welcome stealth... And yeah the 5v rail is pretty craptastic and I think that's where my problems are coming from.

The biggest drains are off of the 12v rails from the radiator rans, water pumps, and case fans. Ive got 6 x 120mm Pana M1A's on the rad and 6 x 80mm no name uv orange case fans. 2 Laing D4 pumps, 2 hd's, and 3 legacy drives. And the vid card as well. There's a crapload of stuff going on in there :)

What's the public XS opinion of the 600w PowerStream? That's what I have my eye on to replace this one with and it's got a 46a 5v rail plus some beefier 12v rails.

s7e9h3n
05-12-2005, 02:51 AM
Thx for the welcome stealth... And yeah the 5v rail is pretty craptastic and I think that's where my problems are coming from.

The biggest drains are off of the 12v rails from the radiator rans, water pumps, and case fans. Ive got 6 x 120mm Pana M1A's on the rad and 6 x 80mm no name uv orange case fans. 2 Laing D4 pumps, 2 hd's, and 3 legacy drives. And the vid card as well. There's a crapload of stuff going on in there :)

What's the public XS opinion of the 600w PowerStream? That's what I have my eye on to replace this one with and it's got a 46a 5v rail plus some beefier 12v rails.
If you're running anything other than the DFI + BH5, UTT, etc., go for the Zippy 700W. I love mine, it's an absolute monster. I get a MAX vdroop of .02 on the rails even when pushing my rig to it's limit. 45A @ 12v ;)

Da[]San
05-12-2005, 06:50 AM
We got in some CABHE0511XPMW has anybody have any of these?

ewitte
05-12-2005, 07:05 AM
Thx for the welcome stealth... And yeah the 5v rail is pretty craptastic and I think that's where my problems are coming from.

The biggest drains are off of the 12v rails from the radiator rans, water pumps, and case fans. Ive got 6 x 120mm Pana M1A's on the rad and 6 x 80mm no name uv orange case fans. 2 Laing D4 pumps, 2 hd's, and 3 legacy drives. And the vid card as well. There's a crapload of stuff going on in there :)

What's the public XS opinion of the 600w PowerStream? That's what I have my eye on to replace this one with and it's got a 46a 5v rail plus some beefier 12v rails.

I'd not completely trust the monitoring thats built in. I've had PSU's give me crappy #'s but really great ones when I switch out the MB. For instance my 600W enermax told me my 12v rail was 11.2 or so. On this MB it says 12.2.

eric

mad mikee
05-12-2005, 07:52 AM
(Digital Multi Meter for those going :confused: ) Get one from ratshack
Use it to measure off the PSU connectors when the system is running, and search around here for vmods to get voltage measuring points on the board. We ALL know that the sensors don't report worth :banana::banana::banana::banana:. (Ironically when I measured my vcore and vdimm on me refurb DFI Ultra-d and it was almost exact match to the bios readout :shrug: but @ least I KNOW for sure now). Also useful for measuring battery voltages (are they dead yet?) etc....

easypanic
05-12-2005, 09:44 AM
Those temps sound real low to me too, unless its chilled water or something. I run mine at 1.65v and have a good h20 system (big heatercore with 4x120 cooling it) and temps peak at 45C. At 1.7v I'm guessing I would hit 47C.

easypanic do you plan on running 1.8v 24-7? I dunno if that's a good idea heh.


No, just for benching reasons :D

I'm tryihg to go to 1.7V, gonna let it burn :slapass:

Concorde Rules
05-12-2005, 12:38 PM
- Stepping: ADA3700DAA5BN CABGE 0515SPMW 1237218D50804
- VCORE: 1.425
- Method of Cooling: Xp-12 with 125CFM YS-TECH @ 7V
- Temperatures - 37C load software
- Specifications of System: 6800 Ultra, DFI Sli-DR, G-Skill LE TCCD
- Stability Tests - Super Pi 32Mb Completed.

No screenshot yet, I will post a better speed ;)

stealth17
05-12-2005, 01:19 PM
- Stepping: ADA3700DAA5BN CABGE 0515SPMW 1237218D50804
- VCORE: 1.425
- Method of Cooling: Xp-12 with 125CFM YS-TECH @ 7V
- Temperatures - 37C load software
- Specifications of System: 6800 Ultra, DFI Sli-DR, G-Skill LE TCCD
- Stability Tests - Super Pi 32Mb Completed.

No screenshot yet, I will post a better speed ;)

uhh what clocks? :stick:

Viss
05-12-2005, 02:03 PM
| 3700+ San Diego CABGE @ 2.75GHz - 1.425V - 0515 |

sig is me guess

rick_fx
05-12-2005, 02:25 PM
I like this cpu:)

3700+ San Diego CABGE 0515 SPMW @ 2.88GHz with 1.504V; slk-948u

stealth17
05-12-2005, 02:50 PM
I like this cpu:)

3700+ San Diego CABGE 0515 SPMW @ 2.88GHz with 1.504V; slk-948u

32m pi stable?

joe2004
05-12-2005, 05:48 PM
32m pi stable?

:D

One should actually loop 32MB test at least few times. The ultimate test is the Prime95 anyway.

Crazykooter
05-12-2005, 10:39 PM
These guys getting low volts with their SD's are suprising me. I can post into windows and do just bout everything but Pi or prime it. I need 1.72 just to make it stable at 2940mhz. 294 fsb. on water cooling. Here is a link to what I get at 309 fsb. Wish I could get it run 3ghz but I havent seen but one on wc that will do it.

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8/3092xi.th.jpg (http://img205.echo.cx/my.php?image=3092xi.jpg)

s7e9h3n
05-12-2005, 11:23 PM
These guys getting low volts with their SD's are suprising me. I can post into windows and do just bout everything but Pi or prime it. I need 1.72 just to make it stable at 2940mhz. 294 fsb. on water cooling. Here is a link to what I get at 309 fsb. Wish I could get it run 3ghz but I havent seen but one on wc that will do it.

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8/3092xi.th.jpg (http://img205.echo.cx/my.php?image=3092xi.jpg)
Just curious - are you defining stable as spi1m stable?

joe2004
05-13-2005, 12:16 AM
These guys getting low volts with their SD's are suprising me. I can post into windows and do just bout everything but Pi or prime it. I need 1.72 just to make it stable at 2940mhz. 294 fsb. on water cooling. Here is a link to what I get at 309 fsb. Wish I could get it run 3ghz but I havent seen but one on wc that will do it.


If you cannot get SuperPi stable at 32 MB and Prime95 for few hours then it is not stable. I ordinary use programs that are 100% utilization (science) and if SuperPi isn't stable then these programs crash too. You can maybe use media player or Microsoft Word and such.
The real measure is Prime95 because it tests memory subsystem and CPU like nothing else. If your CPU isn't up to it then it isn't stable.

s7e9h3n
05-13-2005, 12:28 AM
If you cannot get SuperPi stable at 32 MB and Prime95 for few hours then it is not stable.
That's based on personal preference ;) Some consider being able to run spi1m or 3dmark as "stable". Others say P95 for at least 24 hours is stable.

rancid
05-13-2005, 03:23 AM
Peter:

I am really confused how you managed those temps under load b/c myself, and many others "air-cooled" are seeing much higher temps. I average 45-48C under load and that is only 1.55V @ 2.69ghz.

My chip is a complete POS, it will do 2.75ghz but the machine shuts off for no apparent reason. I assume heat b/c it hovers 48-50C under load :( This is with an Xp-90 and a 92mm Tornado+7 case fans. Ridiculious...

Da[]San
05-13-2005, 05:25 AM
Peter:

I am really confused how you managed those temps under load b/c myself, and many others "air-cooled" are seeing much higher temps. I average 45-48C under load and that is only 1.55V @ 2.69ghz.

My chip is a complete POS, it will do 2.75ghz but the machine shuts off for no apparent reason. I assume heat b/c it hovers 48-50C under load :( This is with an Xp-90 and a 92mm Tornado+7 case fans. Ridiculious...
If you look at his screenies, he is running default v core- amazing

OCfreak
05-13-2005, 07:39 AM
I found a tweak that allows me to utilize ram much better with the San Diego

I had previously not be able to acheive even a modest ram overclock while running the CPU at 2.8ghz. But I have found that if I use A64 tweaker to disable the mem clk for banks 2 and 3 (the empty banks, I have 2 x 512 in banks 0 and 1) that I can now run ram at 235mhz 2-3-2-7 while running CPU at 2.8ghz My Sandra bandwidth is now back up around 7000, and I got a new SuperPI 32m personal best of 26m 17s :banana:

This tweak also seems to bring the SD's memory bandwith scores back in line with my Winchester and eliminates the 300+ point difference at the same clocks. I,m guessing it will also help those who are having high temps overclocking the SD's on air.

mad mikee
05-13-2005, 09:22 AM
I found a tweak that allows me to utilize ram much better with the San Diego

I had previously not be able to acheive even a modest ram overclock while running the CPU at 2.8ghz. But I have found that if I use A64 tweaker to disable the mem clk for banks 2 and 3 (the empty banks, I have 2 x 512 in banks 0 and 1) that I can now run ram at 235mhz 2-3-2-7 while running CPU at 2.8ghz My Sandra bandwidth is now back up around 7000, and I got a new SuperPI 32m personal best of 26m 17s :banana:

This tweak also seems to bring the SD's memory bandwith scores back in line with my Winchester and eliminates the 300+ point difference at the same clocks. I,m guessing it will also help those who are having high temps overclocking the SD's on air.

/me plans to yank BH5 for a while and shove GBLE back in to try this :D

Eldonko
05-13-2005, 10:31 AM
I found a tweak that allows me to utilize ram much better with the San Diego

I had previously not be able to acheive even a modest ram overclock while running the CPU at 2.8ghz. But I have found that if I use A64 tweaker to disable the mem clk for banks 2 and 3 (the empty banks, I have 2 x 512 in banks 0 and 1) that I can now run ram at 235mhz 2-3-2-7 while running CPU at 2.8ghz My Sandra bandwidth is now back up around 7000, and I got a new SuperPI 32m personal best of 26m 17s :banana:

This tweak also seems to bring the SD's memory bandwith scores back in line with my Winchester and eliminates the 300+ point difference at the same clocks. I,m guessing it will also help those who are having high temps overclocking the SD's on air.

Oooh, good find, I will try this tonight :toast:

Wingz
05-13-2005, 10:37 AM
make sure u disable the right banks else u get a instant crash, if u use the orange slots then disable banks 0 and 2.

OCfreak
05-13-2005, 11:05 AM
And if your not sure which banks your using, run Sandra memory bandwidth benchmark, and scroll down through the report it will show which memory banks are populated.

uwackme
05-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Im so lost, my first A64 and I have no fking idea what Im doing :rolleyes:

But its fun..... 3700+ Cabbage special in the pot, hope I get some good craut.

ante_ante
05-13-2005, 12:57 PM
What´s the best bios för DFI NF4 + KINGSTON BH5 + SD 3700+ ??

Wingz
05-13-2005, 01:04 PM
What´s the best bios för DFI NF4 + KINGSTON BH5 + SD 3700+ ??

try 414-2

but there are 6 new bioses out :rolleyes:

Linky (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/114)