Ultimate WC!

[Thomas FJ]

Hi

I'm helping a friend making the ultimate WC system for this setup:

AMD FX 55
DFI lanparty nF4 SLi DR
2x. Gainward 6800 ultra sli
Enermax 600W
OCZ PC 5000 EL Platinum DFI n4 special
2x Raptor 74 gb
2x Seagate 7200.8 400 gb

Limits:
Max 2 dual rads
Everything shall be cooled (- PSU and RAM of course)
Must be very quite
No budget, but he is a european, so if you would please have that in mind :)

I'm thinking 2 weapon cores and a G4, but what ells?

Thanks!
/Thomas

[Disposibleteen]

trying to water cool the ram adds more restriction to the loop than its worth. It also carries the added risk of the ram water block corroding as most of them are made out of aluminum. Water cooling the PSU is also unnecesary as it will add a ton of restriction to the loop and possibly corrosion. Just get a quiet PSU and you will be ok. Maybe instead of running dual rads get a monster, that should take care of all of your heat dissipation needs. For the pump im thinking something Iwaki, im sure Maxxx will be along soon to give his thoughts.

[Thomas FJ]

Limits:
Max 2 dual rads
Everything shall be cooled (- PSU and RAM of course)
Must be very quite
No budget, but he is a european, so if you would please have that in mind :)


;)
/Thomas

[Holst]

commercial ram and psu coolers are not worth buying.

www.zerofanzone.co.uk should help you out.

Are you trying to build a silent fanless system?

Are you overclcoking?

If you just want overclocking performance then dont bother with PSU ram and HDD watercooling, a quiet fan is all you need.

If you want to make the PC almost silent... then this is a much bigger challenge.

[boshuter]

LMAO..... I guess no one actually read your original post...... you know, the part where you said you didn't want to cool the ram and psu.:rolleyes:

[Brandon_Tyler]

If your gonna go big. might as well PM Wepon to see if he can get you a "Monster" core. Spatman just finished a rig with one and its a freakin awesome looking rad.

-Brandon

[Disposibleteen]

oo i thought that he meant that the PSU and ram would be included in the loop, sorry for the misunderstanding.

[jellybeard999]

ultimate....

Storm G5
Maze4-1 172w pelt x 2
DD 12v x 2
biggest rads u can fit in ( 2 x thermochill 120.2s ? / BIX2 ? )
Find a NF4 northbridge block...

[EnJoY]

Ultimate cooling? Dual loop.

Loop 1: Storm G5, Weapon 302 core, Iwaki RD30 @ 18volts
Loop 2: 2xSilverprop Fusion SL's w/ 172w TEC's, Weapon 302 core, Aqua Xtreme 50z

[jinu117]

I've long decided silence <> heatercore. Due to air restriction it causes, you do need decent fan. Grab something that is thinner by default and custom case with sound in mind. Layout of fan and opening vent alone can reduce noise level by half from my experiences. I just started buidling my own custom case (waiting for venice and san diego got me bored enough and i think i will sit out on those till i get my custom case ready)...

[HiJon89]

Definitely do dual loop if you have the money. My vote goes for:

Loop 1:

FX-55: Phase Change, but if you're really set on water cooling, then:

Storm G5 is best, but Storm G4 is a close second, but both take a long time to make

Weapon 302 Core with shroud if silence is not an issue, if it is, then BIP3

Iwaki MD-20RZT

Loop 2:

6800's: 2xSilverprop Fusion SLT's with 172W Pelts

Weapon 302 Core with shroud if silence is not an issue, if it is, then BIP3

Iwaki MD-20RZT

[pcboarder]

www.zerofanzone.co.uk

I have never seen so many tubes in one case
http://zfz.com/largepic.asp?pic=xp750wc078l&ext=jpg

[HiJon89]

I have never seen so many tubes in one case
http://zfz.com/largepic.asp?pic=xp750wc078l&ext=jpg
I don't think I've ever seen a less effective water cooling setup :p: I mean, that guy has got to be getting AT LEAST .05GPM

[KJ_DK]

Is it possible to get some links to the different products?

[nikhsub1]

I don't think I've ever seen a less effective water cooling setup :p: I mean, that guy has got to be getting AT LEAST .05GPM
Dont be dissin BladeRunner. He has different goals than you and I, he goes (or that setup anyway) was to achieve total fanless silence. Blade Runner is a master WB craftsman and was watercooling LONG LONG before any of you. OK, rant over.

[Holst]

Dont be dissin BladeRunner. He has different goals than you and I, he goes (or that setup anyway) was to achieve total fanless silence. Blade Runner is a master WB craftsman and was watercooling LONG LONG before any of you. OK, rant over.

If you look at the way that BR sets his system up, all those thin tubes run in paralell, and he uses the CPU block as a 5 way manifold (1 in 4 out)
So flowrate should be pretty good overall.

Even I learnt watercooling from bladerunner over at tekheads forum many years aggo :)

[CrazyXP1700]

it's sick he's got a modded propane tank 8ft underground to keep it nice and cool... thats a little much lol but probably works out well

[mad mikee]

I don't think I've ever seen a less effective water cooling setup :p: I mean, that guy has got to be getting AT LEAST .05GPM

He has been so ineffective that the President of Nvidia asked him for one of his Vidcard coolers awhile back, look in Procooling forums, should still be out there.

The man is an artisan.

(Of course I like Cathar's tinkerins even more, which is why I have money in paypal for when he says pay up for the finished G5 :D )

[KJ_DK]

Don't you think we should get back to the original tread?

Doesn't anybody has a solution on #0 question?

[MaxxxRacer]

Sorry I didnt respond earlier.. been bizy.

ok..
WEll if budget is no option then here goes
Weapon monster core with 4x panaflow 38mm thick 120mm fans (you can get those anywhere)
Storm G4 or G5
Maze4gpu x2 ( www.dangerden.com )
1/2inch tygon ( www.dangerden.com )
Iwaki RD-30 (sorry no link, ull have to google it and find a retailer and special order it)
24volt meanwell psu that is adjustable (dont have a link but google will help)
Reserviour of your choice

that comes out to be around 700 dollars or somethign crazy.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

why an RD30 over MD20RLZT or MD30RL(Z)T? how much heat does an RD30 dump in comparison to those 2?

[MaxxxRacer]

heat dump is relatively low.. its got mot head pressure by a mile too.. and its setup for half inch fittings already..

the RD 30 is the ultimate pump..

[EnJoY]

I'm pretty sure the heatdump of an RD30 is almost exactly that of an MD30RZT. The RD30 has a much smaller footprint in a case though, however, which is why they are reccomended as the ultimate pump over the MD30. However, I think with a monster core, the MD30RZT may outperform the RD30. I have no testing to back this up, just my opinion.

[MaxxxRacer]

alot of math went into the performamnce numbers of the RD30 slaughtering the MD30...

trust me when i say that it was not hte smaller footprint that they considred when calling it the best pump for watercooling..

[KJ_DK]

Thanks Maxxx

[Thomas FJ]

Sorry I didnt respond earlier.. been bizy.

ok..
WEll if budget is no option then here goes
Weapon monster core with 4x panaflow 38mm thick 120mm fans (you can get those anywhere)
Storm G4 or G5
Maze4gpu x2 ( www.dangerden.com )
1/2inch tygon ( www.dangerden.com )
Iwaki RD-30 (sorry no link, ull have to google it and find a retailer and special order it)
24volt meanwell psu that is adjustable (dont have a link but google will help)
Reserviour of your choice

that comes out to be around 700 dollars or somethign crazy.

What about the setup then?! Serie or parrallel?

Why a 24V PSU?
/Thomas

[MaxxxRacer]

series always...

24v psu for the pump.

[Thomas FJ]

series always...

24v psu for the pump.

Why always series? :)

Can't it run from a 220V power connector?
/Thomas

[MaxxxRacer]

not that pump unless you plan on buying another 250dollar pump...

parallel splits up the flow which ='s lower performance. and u cant ever split the flow equually so one component will get more flow.. and its usually the gpu or the nb as they are less restrictive blocks in most systems.

[Thomas FJ]

not that pump unless you plan on buying another 250dollar pump...

parallel splits up the flow which ='s lower performance. and u cant ever split the flow equually so one component will get more flow.. and its usually the gpu or the nb as they are less restrictive blocks in most systems.

Ok!

If you go:
rads-->pump-->G5--> maze 4--> maze 4--> NB--> hds-->rads-->

My concern comes to the Hdd cooler which highly unlikely will be 12mm... 10 or 8 is the most common because it's EU made...
Wouldn't they kill the flow for the G5 i an series setup?
/Thomas

[Craig]

The RD30 has almost exactly the same heat dump as a MD20Z, yet it's flow and head rates are much closer to the MD30Z, not a exact match, but close. And due to it's lower heat dump to head/flow ratio it will beat out both the MD30Z & MD20Z for performance.

But almost impossible to find & extremly expensive if you do find one.

Main thing to remember when running really large pumps, match them with equally large and high performance rads & fans. Provided this is done right some really Xtreme pumps can and have been used.

But pumps larger than the MD20 series pumps cost increasingly more & continue to cost as they run up your electric bill for very little further reduction in temps regardless of the rad & fans used. The law of deminishing returns really kicks in when in regard to pumps like the MD30 ect.

Just depends on what you're willing to pay & what performance level you want.