N00B question re; what pump to use???

[onesaint]

Hey all


I'm am putting together my first water cooling set up, cooling an amd 64 3500+. So far ive collected a D-tek white water CPU water block, D-tek pro-120 radiator, and ½ inch Tygon tubing. I am curios as to what pump I should acquire to use with the set up. I'm under the impression that the whitewater water block has restrictive flow and so I should get something with a little more head. I also at some point would like to cool my Geforce 6800 and a WD raptor drive and need to factor that in.

I am under the impression as for an all around pump for water cooling the AquaExtreme 50Z / MCP600 Rev2.0 cant be beat, unless you have two or an Iwaki Z series. I also am curios as to weather a Blueline HD20 would be advisable.

Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

[Nubius]

All I ever hear suggested around here is the 50z considering the iwaki Z series I believe is basically in a whole other class of it's own.

The only other one that would be up for consideration is the D4 pump but that suggestion will be shot down rather quickly because everyone here says

"Its quieter, it's better, puts less heat into the water" buuuut as far as 'quieter' goes I can't even hear the D4 pump over a heatercore with two 120mm fans, or even a couple regular 80mm case fans would make it unnoticable.

As far as heat into the water, well I guess you'd have to have a thermal probe right after the output and two systems with each pump in identicle rooms to get a good estimate on that.

[RaptorRaider]

The AquaXtreme 50Z will do fine.
Because of your small rad large Iwaki/Blueline pumps won't do you any good.

@ Nubius
Don't worry, it's been calculated precisely. :p:
And if you'll lend me your D4, I'll test it too.

[onesaint]

thank you both for the fast reply.

so the only reason to get a larger pump would be if i was using a larger rad with more fans on it. what in the event that i can find a blueline for alot cheaper than the 50Z / MCP600?

[RaptorRaider]

I highly doubt you can find an Iwaki/Blueline cheaper than a 50Z/MCP600.
But, if you can, the Iwaki/Blueline would perform less, and you'd be obligated to tell me about this deal. :D

[d3birth]

My 50z is doing great with a black ice pro and an RBX. Very nice for $80

[EnJoY]

The 50z is all you would need, it'd perform quite well with your setup. However, for reference...the Blueline HD20 as well as their other pumps are fantastic quality and equal or best Iwaki's on all fronts.

[Nubius]

And if you'll lend me your D4, I'll test it too. lol it won't even be here until tomorrow. The reason why I always suggest D4 even though I know I'll basically get jumped on is because I have a friend who has one and it seems to be a great pump to me, nor can I even hear at all over the slightest ambient sounds.

But since he doesn't have a 50z he can't compare temps ;)

[onesaint]

So basically the Blueline would be a waist even if it where cheaper?

[nikhsub1]

the Blueline HD20 as well as their other pumps are fantastic quality and equal or best Iwaki's on all fronts.
You can't be serious? There is no better built pump than the Iwaki's. Yeah yeah Blueline was started by an Iwaki engineer bleh bleh bleh. Diamler owns Chrysler too, you gonna tell me that the Chryslers are every bit as good as a Mercedes?

[EnJoY]

No, I guess I may have exxagerated a bit. But Blueline's are very very close to iwaki in every way and identical on some fronts. And in terms of cool and quiet, the HD series actually bests Iwaki's MD series.

[onesaint]

also the Blueline is designed by the Iwaki Japanese engineer...

[MaxxxRacer]

Go with the 50Z. a larger pump wouldnt be beneficial with ur smaller radiator.

[onesaint]

funny, its actually your thread, Maxxx that got me interested in the larger pumps... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41495&page=1&pp=25

what would be the occasion to use a larger pump like the iwakis or blueline?

[EnJoY]

If you have a larger more restrictive radiator, and/or a restrictive flow loving cpu block.

[situman]

a 20z is more than anyone would need in their cooling setup. 50z is total overkill.

[MaxxxRacer]

well just a larger radiator would call for it..


suitman, no offense but that is not the case. the 50Z does not even get to the flow rates where the TDX, RBX, storm, whitewater, etc. perform their best.

I think what ur thinking is that the 50Z is an iwak pump which it isnt. it is actually a pump sold by cooltechnica and is a small mag drive pump.

But regarding the 20Z (from iwaki) it is not overkill if you pick your components to match its performance. everything is relative in this game.

[onesaint]

So question, what pumps do get the flow rates where a TDX, RBX, storm, whitewater, etc. would perform their best? does it take 2 120mm rads and a iwaki or can you achieve this with a single 120mm rad and a good smaller output pump?

[EnJoY]

Overall, with a 50z, and a 120mm heatercore or BIP, you could probably get acceptable flow rates for a RBX/TDX to perform. However, if you had a 2x120mm rad or a 3x120mm rad, your temps overall would be lower obviously from the added cooling capacity, but they would be even better if you used say...an Iwaki MD20RZT with that dual/triple rad as then you'd still be giving your RBX/TDX the flow is desires to perform. Sorry if I explained that in a confusing way...I'm tired and busy.

[onesaint]

no no, thanks for the reply. and not confusing at all. so what would give great flow rates from a whitewater? also in the loop with a single rad and what pump?

[MaxxxRacer]

the WW needs an iwaki to get geat flow rates.

[onesaint]

so an iwaki and 2 or more 120 mm rads...ok

[Disposibleteen]

does iwaki make a DC 12v pump or are they all ac?

[onesaint]

But regarding the 20Z (from iwaki) it is not overkill if you pick your components to match its performance. everything is relative in this game.

so Maxxx, what are the right components?

[onesaint]

does iwaki make a DC 12v pump or are they all ac?

i recall reading some place that there weren’t any as of yet. but not certain

[MaxxxRacer]

there are a few that they make. but u have to special order them. expensive as HELL!

onesaint, the right components would be a large radiator 120.3 or 302 (or monstercore), cpu block such as a storm, cascade, tdx, rbx (list goes on) and a gpu block...

[onesaint]

ok youve scared me off with the 302. i googled it and started looking at 1971 Caprice heatercores! LOL thats serious cooling... so then what can i do to maxamize flow with a single 120 rad gpu and cpu block?

[EnJoY]

What scares you about the 302?

For a single 120mm rad, just use a 50z, it'll be more than adequate.

[onesaint]

i think car rad i think big black thing sitting next to my ( soon to be purchased) c3 acrylic! like a 4' X 6' rad from a truck or something...how much do the 3 120mm fan rads like the 120.3 cool the water is the improvement that great over the smaller rads?

also, does sizing down the fittings from say 3/4 to 1/2 damage the pump over a period of time?

[nikhsub1]

You guys should REALLY read this thread.... http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10825&page=1&pp=25

A snippet from it from Cathar:

+20.7C => Iwaki RD-30 @ 18.0v
+20.8C => 2 x Swiftech MCP600 @ 13.8v (series)
+20.9C => Swiftech MCP600 @ 13.8v
+21.1C => Iwaki MD-20RZ @ 60Hz
+21.1C => 2 x Swiftech MCP600 @ 12.0v (series)
+21.2C => Iwaki MD-20RZ @ 50Hz
+21.4C => Swiftech MCP600 @ 12.0v
+21.4C => 2 x Eheim 1048 (series)
+21.5C => Iwaki MD-15R @ 60Hz
+21.6C => Laing DDC @ 13.2v
+21.6C => Swiftech MCP650 @ 12.0v
+21.6C => Iwaki MD-30RZ @ 50Hz
+21.7C => Iwaki MD-30RZ @ 60Hz
+21.9C => Eheim 1250
+22.1C => Laing DDC @ 12.0v
+22.3C => Eheim 1048
+23.3C => Eheim 1046

[MaxxxRacer]

lol... dont know how many times ive seen that list.. but it always puts a smile on my face when i do see it.

[onesaint]

so how do i kick the 50Z up to 13.8v (im in n. america)?

[RaptorRaider]

Buy a powersupply which is able to provide voltages of 13.8V like a Mean Well S-25-15.

But since he doesn't have a 50z he can't compare temps ;)
But I've got one. :p:

You guys should REALLY read this thread.... http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10825&page=1&pp=25
There's still stuff he can add like a modded MCP350, different rads, etc. :p:
I really hope he's going to finish the article soon though. Can't wait. :D

[EnJoY]

so how do i kick the 50Z up to 13.8v (im in n. america)?

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=129-068

Is 13.5 close enough? The answer is yes for that price. ;)

[onesaint]

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=129-068

Is 13.5 close enough? The answer is yes for that price. ;)

nice, but "This item has been discontinued." so basically im looking for a power converter for the pump. interesting.

anyone had any experience with the iwaki md10 or mag pumps? are they any good for a smaller WC setup?

[Wang]

No xperience with Iwaki. (Danner)Mag pumps are powerfull but you have to seal the front cover with silicone, and they vibrate "alot".
Do you have a system set-up? If you want "inexpensive" a CSP-Mag seems good if reliable.

[EnJoY]

The MD10 is under powered. The MD15-R is nice, not too expensive either, around $100 iirc. About 11ft of head, and ~ 5.0GPM. Better than a 50z for performance, but about twice the heat dump.

[Necromonger]

You guys should REALLY read this thread.... http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=10825&page=1&pp=25

A snippet from it from Cathar:

+20.7C => Iwaki RD-30 @ 18.0v
+20.8C => 2 x Swiftech MCP600 @ 13.8v (series)
+20.9C => Swiftech MCP600 @ 13.8v
+21.1C => Iwaki MD-20RZ @ 60Hz
+21.1C => 2 x Swiftech MCP600 @ 12.0v (series)
+21.2C => Iwaki MD-20RZ @ 50Hz
+21.4C => Swiftech MCP600 @ 12.0v
+21.4C => 2 x Eheim 1048 (series)
+21.5C => Iwaki MD-15R @ 60Hz
+21.6C => Laing DDC @ 13.2v
+21.6C => Swiftech MCP650 @ 12.0v
+21.6C => Iwaki MD-30RZ @ 50Hz
+21.7C => Iwaki MD-30RZ @ 60Hz
+21.9C => Eheim 1250
+22.1C => Laing DDC @ 12.0v
+22.3C => Eheim 1048
+23.3C => Eheim 1046



nikhsub1, good find, lots of good info, thanks.