Removing the A64 IHS [Archive] - Page 3

Jumba

10-03-2005, 02:06 AM

Just removed mine on my E3 Venice 3000+, ah nothing beats a nakkid CPU. After remounting my Koolance CPU-300 block (had to place a copper disc between it and the core because of the gap) load temps are down from 54 deg C at 300*9 to 40 deg C! Also, this has allowed me to reduce vcore down from 1.675V to 1.6V. AS5 is still settling so am hoping to get better than this. Overall, I'm very happy. As mentioned before, don't force the razor blade - take your time and everything will work out fine. ;)

menlatin

10-12-2005, 08:18 AM

so, has anyone actually crushed a core yet? I really really want to take the plunge, i'm just scared because my water block mounting bracket does not have any springs. Right now i just tighten it down grdually with both screws until its snug and the block wont slide at all anymore. oh yes i;ve got a x2,3800. OR do you think the core is large enough that i dont really have to worry about crushing it?

IvanAndreevich

10-13-2005, 10:08 PM

menlatin
Sure they have. And scratched the CPU out of existance. And bent the pins to hell.

do you think the core is large enough that i dont really have to worry about crushing it?
Sure you can crush it. If you don't want to worry about then leave the IHS on. This is xtremesystems :) We like to worry and crush cores heh

ocZZ

10-16-2005, 03:02 AM

what type of glue can I use to reapply the IHS?

Revv23

10-16-2005, 08:25 PM

im going to do this to my 2.8c, even with great contact, im seeing the temps shoot up 15c within 2-3seconds after starting prime...

ive always thought i had contact issues but with an xp-90 and an xp-120 i didnt see any improvement at all from the 120, its like the extra mass isnt there... got to be core to IHS contact.

Mr. Tinker

10-17-2005, 05:34 AM

what type of glue can I use to reapply the IHS?
just plain 'ol Elmer's wood glue.

ok, seriously, you can use arctic silver thermal epoxy. But don't call it glue.

Ref

10-17-2005, 06:18 AM

He probably wants to reapply it with the black thing AMD uses to "glue" IHS... what is that?

Revv23

10-17-2005, 09:19 AM

i wouldnt use that as it looks like a goop, might hurt contact, honestly i would either use something like krazy glue or just nothing at all. good TIM contact would hold it in place pretty good imo.

Ugly n Grey

10-17-2005, 09:28 AM

I used RV sealant, basically a silicone based product , just used a dab on the corners and clamped the IHS on.

Revv23

10-17-2005, 09:44 AM

good call UnG

how come you put it back on?

Ugly n Grey

10-17-2005, 02:31 PM

I put it back to stock cooling, reduced the voltage and set it to run 1.2Ghz at low volts with IHS on.

It was the Venice for my Dads HTPC, does 2.7 plus on air with IHS off and a BT. Higher for 3D benchies. Was easier to get the stock cooler to fit with IHS on. (when I say stock cooler, it's the stock cooler off a 4200 so it has two heatpipes).

Anyhow, it worked well, instead of AS5 I used really gooey white Antec stuff between the core and IHS. Worked just as well as it did before I took it off.

menlatin

10-18-2005, 09:09 AM

menlatin
Sure they have. And scratched the CPU out of existance. And bent the pins to hell.

Sure you can crush it. If you don't want to worry about then leave the IHS on. This is xtremesystems :) We like to worry and crush cores heh

I got it off fine and haven't crushed my core, and dont think i really need to worry about it. I made some foam feet that compress to about .027" (fully compressed!!) and the core is about .034" tall. I;ve tightned my water block down pretty darn tight and pulled it off to see a nice grease spread pattern, so i;m no longer worried. It did drop my temps almost 8c at load. and now im prime and mostly super pi stable. i ran 2 instances of super pi and 2 instances of prime 95 and 1 super pi failed, but the other 3 did fine.

Darkenreaper57

11-01-2005, 01:40 PM

Will a stock cooler from a retail venice make proper contact once the IHS is removed?

I want to remove the IHS on my opteron 146 :P. My main worries are bending pins or cutting through the PCB by accident...

k3n.chu

11-02-2005, 05:07 PM

also, how thin shoudl the razor blade be? i already scratched the pcb board and it still works =P

edit: i am also using an xacto knife.

Darkenreaper57

11-03-2005, 11:06 AM

I came across this article http://www.overclockers.com/tips1197/

Has anyone noticed this issue, particularly with a d-tek whitewater?

I'd love to pop the lid on my cpu, but this makes me somewhat hesitant. I suppose I could always sand down the cam, but I would be afraid of cutting through and damaging the lever mechanism.

Zebo

11-04-2005, 05:23 PM

Revv23

11-04-2005, 07:50 PM

good luck working a razor around the proc socket, all those nice caps to rip off.

better off just holding it and being careful imo.

fareastgq

11-04-2005, 07:54 PM

This is definity scary. I would prolly need about 60 stiches after I cut myself. One question though. Should you leave processor in board while doing this so no pins get bent and acts as sorta a "vice" to handle processor a little better? I really big like 13 ring size and could palm a basketball at like 14.. not very nimble person.

use the sponge that came with the cpu and then put that on something spongy, the pins will go into the cpu pad and won't move at all. ;) of course, that doesn't stop u from cutting into the pcb, ehhehe. :slap:

kocsonya

11-08-2005, 01:23 AM

I'll compare the pics in this post.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36295E3 Venice
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37626E6 Venice
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36321E4 SanDiego
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37644E4 FX
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37645E4 Manchester
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36445E6 Toledo

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36295http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37626http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36321http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37644http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37645http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36445

Die Size
E3 Venice = E6 Venice < E4 SanDiego = E4 FX < E4 Manchester < E6 Toledo

Now, I need pics of E6 Manchester and E6 SanDiego.

hi.. e6 venice update
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4650/hpim23820qh.jpg

kocsonya

11-09-2005, 03:45 AM

e6 manchester updete...

e6 manchaster = e6 toledo!! (2*512kb cahce)
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2340/hpim24197oo.jpg

Enz0

11-09-2005, 02:33 PM

Thank you very much, kocsonya.
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1016356&postcount=491

noktekniq

11-12-2005, 03:20 PM

so i have been reading a couple places. i really want to learn how to remove the ihs for a while. from what i read throughout many forums. i realized that removing the ihs is easy and piece of cake as long as i have the right tools such as the blade and the right thermal compounf i should be set to go.
as of right now i have a 4400+ and it's not overclcoking well with high temps. so i decided to take a risk of either selling the 4400+ for a low price or something or remove the ihs. i'm leaning toward the ihs side right now since i haven't got any offers yet.
the only problem that i'm having right now is how to put on the xp90c that i have onto a dfi mobo without crushing the core on the 4400+ after remova of the ihs. from what i know the xp90c is hell of a lot heavier to put on then other hs.
also i heard that you can put on the heatsink attached to the retention bracket and then screw it on to the backplate as a form of a bolt on. i was wondering if this effective. also is there a way for me to do this? is there pictures? do i need foam on the other side of the cpu?fplease fill me in with all the information you have about putting on a xp90c. thanks

Damien

11-15-2005, 08:12 PM

Alright guys I'm currently doing this as I type this to my opty 146 (on a second pc, obviously :P) and I'm really nervous. I taped off roughly 3mm on the blade. I've seen some black foamy stuff come off, but i haven't really pushed too hardm, afraid i'll hit something. How deep should I cut in on these opty's? If I dont cut deep enough I'll never get it off, but I just cant figure out how much I need to do it.

fareastgq

11-15-2005, 10:04 PM

The black sealant is exactly 3 centimeters thick, do NNNNOOOTTTT go past 3 cm or u will cut off resistors. Measure your blade for 3cm thickness and you'll be fine. Make sure you measure correctly.

Damien

11-16-2005, 12:46 AM

so you DO have to use quite a bit of force to get thru that 3mm of thickness though, right?

wait wait, 3mm or 3cm?

Jupiler

11-16-2005, 01:26 AM

I think he means 3mm. ;)
It's 3mm anyway.

fareastgq

11-16-2005, 06:03 AM

sorry, I wrote that kind of quick, yes 3 mm, and no u don't need alot of pressure, just a steady hand

Gogar

12-08-2005, 09:29 AM

w00t i did it :) lol i cut off the IHS of a X2 3800+ (E4)
I used a blade from a disposable razor (tore apart the plastic casing with a wrench) Then i just held it with a folded cotton pad , so pushing on the back wouldn't hurt my index finger ;)

No chipped caps or anything.. Thanks for all the info guys!

Revv23

12-10-2005, 02:00 PM

yeah i removed the ihs on my p4, had to mod the retention retention bracket to make my xp-120 have good contact, dropped the temps by about 7c, load temps are where this helps me most, idle didnt shift that much.

anyways, x2 3800 up next, but once again, i need to figure out a way to mod my retention bracket, im thinking that gringing off the nubs that hold it above the motherboard should drop everything down enough to ensure good cpu contact.

gundamit

12-18-2005, 04:24 PM

I think I made it pretty fool-proof for myself. Covered the blade with enough electrical tape not to cut myself or any of the stuff under the IHS.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6103/firsttry5uv.jpg

coop

12-18-2005, 04:30 PM

That is a fansastic pic., what did you use? Also, that space where there is no sealant, can liquid enter into there like when you clean? Did that core make contact all over the hs or just in the very center?

dutchman.pt

12-27-2005, 08:54 AM

THunDA

12-27-2005, 01:31 PM

I bought a CAA2C with IHS removed but i want to use it with aircooling and i'm afraid of it because the heatsink i use it's very heavy (1kg).
I have the IHS but i read that without it the temperatures are better so i'm not thinking on put it back right now.

I'm going to put a 9800pro shim glued to the black rubber circles to gain height,stability and to protect the core.

Correct procedure?
Or anyone has better suggestion?

If that shim is not the same height of the cpu core it will make the temps worse.. IF your worried then try to get little pieces of neoprene (?sp) or foam like the old XP processors had to protect the core..

dutchman.pt

12-27-2005, 05:53 PM

If that shim is not the same height of the cpu core it will make the temps worse.. IF your worried then try to get little pieces of neoprene (?sp) or foam like the old XP processors had to protect the core..
Yes, i have the 4 pieces of foam/neoprene(!?)that are under the IHS around the core.

The cpu is exactly like in this photo...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39563&d=1131301176

---Edit---

Update :

After i glued the 9800 shim to the CAA2C the surroundings of the core stayed exactly with the same height as if it has the IHS mounted on it.

kocsonya

12-28-2005, 03:17 PM

opteron 170 DC coming soon..
[opteron 170 (denmark) e6 = x2 (toledo)]

da-key

12-31-2005, 08:15 AM

Teh Finished Produce..

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/540/finishedproduct8ed.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

30 minutes total work for 8C less at load = :toast2: :party3: :thumbsup:

M.Beier

12-31-2005, 11:30 PM

Its very easy...

My advise:
1) A CPU pretty expensive, so dont do it in a hurry, take your time!!!

2) Use a razorblade, I used a gilette...

3) As advise nr.1 take your time, DONT try'n get all through at once, use 3 rounds around the cpu before having cutt'n the thing apart..

4) Work SLOWLY, that way you can prevent accidents, if you see the blade getting down in the green stuff etc. / hitting core..

5) Using any kinda crap to remove the thermal paste is a :nono: use a freakin' Kleenex or some toilet paper, does the job perfectly and without any risk..

6+7+8+9+10) Did I mention, take your time?? - Dont rush :)

mouawad

01-02-2006, 05:56 PM

just killed my 148 removing the ihs .....knocked a cap

i just removed my 3700+ without drama about 30 mins before this one

it did 3.4 super pi bench with the ihs on

where's my bong :slapass:

tsuehpsyde

01-05-2006, 08:32 PM

Popped mine off tonight after extensively reading this thread and asking alot of advice from Ozzimark. :cool:

http://www.sourcekills.com/albums/tsuehpsyde/DSC00641.sized.jpg

Took a bit longer than most of you guys, and had a really bad mount the first time, but now she's loading between 31-32C, compared to 38-40C before. :woot: Most definately worth the added work. Read about it in more detail here.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1001133

kocsonya

01-06-2006, 04:44 AM

hello..

ADAxxxxDKA4CG new "manchester" core e4 (alias venice)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4138/hpim40508fe.jpg

Enzo, plz update:)

Enz0

01-06-2006, 08:14 PM

hello..

ADAxxxxDKA4CG new "manchester" core e4 (alias venice)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4138/hpim40508fe.jpg

Enzo, plz update:)
Thank you kocsonya.
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1016356&postcount=491

kocsonya

01-07-2006, 05:24 AM

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7768/hpim40493ms.jpg

oqvist

01-07-2006, 05:35 AM

hmm so how about heatsinks like the Scythe Ninja? Will I have to mod it to fit without the IHS? Will it crack the core if I don´t run with the IHS?

Also is the core flat on the Toledos? It looks kind of bulged on some pictures...

Getting an Opteron 170 oem version so no warranty anyway which is the same as the Toledos I guess.

coop

01-07-2006, 08:58 AM

That is a beautiful job. Wthell kind of camera are you using??

dutchman.pt

01-07-2006, 12:47 PM

Great work on the removal of that IHS.
Great photo too.

ReelMonza

01-07-2006, 01:00 PM

Great job indeed, what is your cam kocsonya ?

arctic-k20

01-08-2006, 07:49 AM

how do you guys get all of the black sealant off so well? is there a trick to that???

Budwise

01-13-2006, 09:18 AM

well, lets just say i shed blood for my computer :) This is an Opteron 170 CCBWE 0543TPMW

http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pics/Personal/Naked-2.jpg

http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pics/Personal/Naked-1.jpg

Ready for the Storm!
http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pics/Personal/Naked-3.jpg

Results:

Before
2700 1.49vcore loaded at 38C (max 24/7 OC)
It just wouldnt be happy at 2800 no matter what i tried

After:
2800 1.53vcore loaded at 36C (prime testing and running great)

I would say although i scared myself doing it, it was definately worth it...

:D

WeakSauce

01-14-2006, 12:04 AM

Ok I just decided to do this and it was very scary for me. I ended up breaking off a resistor completely and cracking another one. The one that I cracked I carefully pushed back together. To my amazement the chip still works perfectly!!!! :) I get about 6C cooler idle temps and about 10-12C cooler load temps. I haven't really tested for more OC but that will come soon enough. I am just soooo happy that it still works. I wish I would have taken a picture but I just threw it back in hoping it would work and it did.

THunDA

01-14-2006, 01:24 PM

how do you guys get all of the black sealant off so well? is there a trick to that???

Id like to know that too.. !

I have a venice that I need to put the IHS back on and want to clean it up good..

Does anyone know what type of glue I should use to reapply it ?

Thanks

kiwi

01-15-2006, 01:53 AM

Another IHS removed (4th for me) :D
Load temps are down by ~10C @ 1.7V and they are below 45C TT big Typhoon.

:toast:

187(V)URD@

01-15-2006, 07:27 AM

I cutted the pcb a bit in the corners, will my proc still work? I have no psu to test atm :/

oqvist

01-15-2006, 08:15 AM

I am dead sure now I won´t remove it. to many that mess things up and its not really worth it...

kiwi

01-15-2006, 02:46 PM

I cutted the pcb a bit in the corners, will my proc still work? I have no psu to test atm :/

should be fine, I cut a tiny bit too.

[XC] DragonOrta

01-15-2006, 06:55 PM

UnG said some sort of silicon glue works great. It'll probably be somewhere up in this thread, because I know it's been asked before.

Revv23

01-16-2006, 06:49 AM

marine sealant or something... which is silicon glue... should work nice.

187(V)URD@

01-16-2006, 01:29 PM

My proc is up and running. I was afraid I had killed it. still need to test temperatures and overclock.

flapane

01-17-2006, 03:29 AM

i'd like to remove it from my a64 939 3200+ (only 305x8@1.5v.......).
I use a silencer64 ultra tc heatsink, so how can I permite contact between core and heatsink?
tnx

kiwi

01-20-2006, 03:22 AM

Here is what I would like to share.

CPU: AMD Venice 3000+, 9x300, 1.65V
Cooling: TT Big Typhoon, AS5

100% Load temps

1. Original IHS ~50C
2. Removed IHS ~39-40C
3. Reattached IHS with Silicone and AS5 ~ 41-43C

flapane

01-20-2006, 03:25 AM

how did you do to permit contact between core and bigtiphoon?

kiwi

01-20-2006, 03:34 AM

I put that H-plate (that comes above cpu) on some square metal object to make it a bit higher. That way it is easier to screw. And I also used wingnuts, they are much more better.

kocsonya

01-27-2006, 10:26 PM

Great job indeed, what is your cam kocsonya ?
HP:zombie:

ReelMonza

01-28-2006, 12:27 AM

and what model ?

kocsonya

01-29-2006, 02:02 PM

clear e4 san diego pic & e6 san diego pic
coming soon

bmac11

01-30-2006, 02:07 AM

Just did my 165. Only took 10 minutes. I couldn't find the foam thing the cpu came with so I just left it in the socket to protect the pins. Removing it didn't help my temps though.

Fosco

01-30-2006, 05:13 AM

Opteron 148 , CAB2E 0545 MPMW

With IHS 2900 was max on water

Without IHS 3150 was max on water

Temp drop was 15-16 degrees load..

This is the worst contact i have seen on all the A64 i have removed the IHS on.

http://www.klokking.com/bilder/opt5.JPG

And the bad part, coldbugg kicks inn @ 220HTT with SS cooling.

ChkDsk

01-30-2006, 02:51 PM

and what model ?

HP Photosmart R707
ISO 100
F/2.9
8mm

EXIF guys...

Sorry for offtopic :slap:

ReelMonza

01-30-2006, 03:24 PM

Thanks chkdsk for the tip ;)

kocsonya

01-30-2006, 07:10 PM

HP Photosmart R707
ISO 100
F/2.9
8mm

EXIF guys...

Sorry for offtopic :slap:
lol... nice work:clap:

kocsonya

01-31-2006, 03:44 AM

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2629/hpim50237xs.jpg

san diego e4
enzo...;)

Enz0

01-31-2006, 07:21 PM

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2629/hpim50237xs.jpg

san diego e4
enzo...;)
Thank you kocsonya.
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1016356&postcount=491

kocsonya

02-11-2006, 07:30 AM

san diego e6 stepping
coming soon:)

kiwi

02-20-2006, 07:34 AM

Another removed IHS ,this time on opteron :D (before only venice)
Temps dropped from 50C to 38C load.

Check pics out:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1291661&postcount=26

flapane

02-20-2006, 07:41 AM

great man...
my winchester dropped to 50C@2000rpm to 38C@0rpm lol

Xchus

02-21-2006, 02:59 AM

I'm worried about my temps (check sig) on load is 53C with the settings in sig, at stock (1.38v) is the same it idles at 47C and load is 53C.

My friend knows how to remove the IHS, should I go for it, but since I got a XP-90 can I resit the IHS?

Thanks.

SidVicious

02-23-2006, 03:01 PM

Have anyone else made a keychain out of their heatspreader ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/ludivinejuno/X2_Keychain.jpg

Heartfixer

02-27-2006, 02:40 PM

Here (http://www.filehost.ro/98012/IHS_removal_neo_crazypc_ro_avi/) is my removal procedure. Unfortunately, you have to register to download the movie. And prepare for quite some time, it's 75Mb in size :)

And yeah, I wear my IHS next to my flashdrive :D

THunDA

02-27-2006, 02:45 PM

Another movie here .. :)
http://files.filefront.com/IHS_removalwmv/;4763073;;/fileinfo.html

mnewxcv

02-27-2006, 02:47 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/mnewxcv/DSCF2939.jpg

my 3

KILLorBE

02-27-2006, 04:40 PM

Have anyone else made a keychain out of their heatspreader ?
I hate spare change, let alone keys or especially keychains for that matter, so NO I haven't and will not try it.

Let me see:
1) Key to enter the building.
2) Key to enter my apartment.
3) Key to open the gate to my shed (Key #2 fits the shed).
4) Key to open my mail box.
5) Key for my moped.
6) Key for the lock of my moped.
7) Key for the lock of my bike.
8) Key from a friends place.
9) Another key from the same friends place.
10) Key from yet another moped...orso..
And so on and so forth...keys suck, all they do is make holes in your pockets and stick you in places you don't want to.:stick:

**EDIT** mnewxcv WTF happened to the middle one?

mnewxcv

02-27-2006, 05:07 PM

i put downward pressure on the chip trying to pry the ihs up. didnt work. bye bye fx-51. the one on the left is a opteron 140 which was my practice chip so i wouldnt mess up and kill the fx-51. didnt go as planned. anyways the one on the left is also a fx-51 which went sucessfully, but later died, not sure what happened. i thot as5 was conductive and i got some on one of the packets, but another thread says it isnt conductive? well as5 was on a packet and smoked pours from the chip. end of that. proud to be on my 3rd fx-51. :)

Heartfixer

02-27-2006, 11:03 PM

...anyways the one on the left is also a fx-51 which went sucessfully, but later died, not sure what happened.
Did you use shims? Maibe you messed up the die...:slap:

mnewxcv

02-27-2006, 11:04 PM

Did you use shims? Maibe you messed up the die...:slap:

never use shims but i have a hsf that screws down and I do one turn at a time to each side to keep it equal.

Heartfixer

02-27-2006, 11:52 PM

Then that's what you did. You popped the die. Shims are a must, since you can turn the screws one at a time even for 1/4 of a turn at a time, you still have TWO screws and the pressure varies too damn much. This is how i messed up the chipset on my DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-D. Waterblock and no shims => :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: happens.
The four shims you must use on a A64 take extremely much pressure, that's why you have to use hard plastic or even hard cardboard (my own favourite since I drink a lot of boxed milk :D).

Later edit: you can see in my drawing (me no artist :D ) how shims dissipate the dangerous pressure, son that the CPU is not stressed. Mounting a heatsink on a topless CPU and then turning the motherboard in the mounting position (vertical) makes the inferior part of the CPU die to be stressed more.

mnewxcv

02-28-2006, 12:06 AM

idk, i kinda doubt that. I do it all the time on my opteron 140 and did it on my fx-51 while it lasted and nothing ever happened.

Absolute_0

02-28-2006, 01:27 AM

Popped the IHS on my best 146 and put it on water.

On air with IHS it would load around 51c with 1.55v

Currently loading at 38c with 1.61v and 3.2 Ghz clocks
:)

ShoNuff

02-28-2006, 09:05 PM

kocsonya...what did you use to remove the remaining black adhesive material from around the core? Your processor really cleaned up nicely.:toast:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/shonuff66/hpim50237xs.jpg

kocsonya

03-01-2006, 03:17 PM

dz`

03-05-2006, 09:55 PM

Popped the top off my E3 venice today.

Before:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1466/1before9zo.png

After:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1176/2after5is.png

I'm testing it on stock cooling since my xp-120 isn't bolt on. I tried my best to mod the bracket so I could get good contact. Loading at 39 degrees at 2.5GHz on stock vcore. This doesn't seem to impressive to me perhaps I need more pressure (lowering the bracket some more?) on the core. Please advise.

My 146 is next under the knife, don't like these 50+ load temps :nono:

kocsonya

03-10-2006, 05:46 PM

enzo:

3700+ san diego e6 stepping = "half" toledo core!
plz update:)

jcniest5

03-10-2006, 08:40 PM

Is the adhesive soft (like gum/glue/goo) or is it hard (like SuperGlue after dry, etc)?

Enz0

03-10-2006, 09:09 PM

enzo:

3700+ san diego e6 stepping = "half" toledo core!
plz update:)
Do you have picture of it?

kocsonya

03-11-2006, 02:36 PM

Do you have picture of it?

yes:)
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4350/hpim67111mi.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5015/hpim67041fr.jpg

dz`

03-11-2006, 03:36 PM

Is the adhesive soft (like gum/glue/goo) or is it hard (like SuperGlue after dry, etc)?

It's soft like gum/glue. :)

CompGeek

03-11-2006, 05:00 PM

yes:)
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4350/hpim67111mi.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5015/hpim67041fr.jpg
Thats a NICE clean removal.

Enz0

03-11-2006, 05:32 PM

yes:)
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4350/hpim67111mi.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5015/hpim67041fr.jpg
Thank you kocsonya.
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1016356&postcount=491

-.-PhanTom-.-

03-13-2006, 02:00 AM

EvilCloudStrife

03-13-2006, 08:02 AM

Isn't there somewhere one could buy a shim that would fit on a A64 cpu if one decides to cut off IHS? ..Or maybe some of those pads that were on the older AMD cpus would help to evenly distribute the presure on the core caused by the heatsink/waterblock?

I have used the foam pad that comes with the Chip itself in the plastic container. It has worked for me in the past

-.-PhanTom-.-

03-14-2006, 12:06 AM

I have used the foam pad that comes with the Chip itself in the plastic container. It has worked for me in the past

Ahh, you mean "cut" it up into fitting pieces - one for each corner?
Or simply cut a core-sized hole in the middle of it? :)

coop

03-14-2006, 03:25 PM

Not to speak for EvilCloudStrife , but most have been pads for the corners. However a core sized hole is an interesting idea. The pad he speaks of is large enough for the entire top and would afford some protection and potential stability for the HS/fan (waterblock) it would seem.

ChronoDog

03-16-2006, 10:57 PM

Yesterday I removed the IHS on my E6 Venice 3000+, and while this baby still refuses to go beyound 2800mhz, it noticeably dropped the voltage that was required to run 2700 (300x9, my 24/7 clocks), it went all the way down from 1.55V to 1.5V, and still prime stable overnight :woot:

The temps also dropped nicely (even without lowering the volts) from about 51-52C on load to about 44-45C (SLK-948u with a silent 80mm fan).

I was thinking of putting the shim from my old 9700Pro on it... :rolleyes:

jcniest5

03-16-2006, 11:03 PM

Are those mini-houses cache memory? I bet the empty spaces to the left are the remainder 512KB. As much as I would like to try removing the IHS on my Venice 3200, I dare myself not to even raise my hands in trying to do so. I'm too broke to afford another CPU if I accidently damage it. I will have to kill myself if I did.

Absolute_0

03-16-2006, 11:12 PM

Thought i should let you guys know the success i've had with duct tape pads.

for my 170 in the sig, i got some duct tape, and it cut it into little squares, like .75cm^2. Put the squares in the 4 corners, and i made it about 4 layers thick. Perfect height, mounts well, duct tape compresses a little but not too much.

Revv23

03-17-2006, 10:23 AM

good idea, though i crank on my bt with a screwdriver and no screws to the point where the hold down plate is bending, and i have no issues without the pads...

this is on an X2 though, so my core is a bit bigger

Kaffebord

03-21-2006, 11:25 PM

I removed my IHS yesterday. I'm going to test it today, but first I've to find a clever way to secure the core from breaking. I guess I'll use your metod with the duct tape Absolute.
Yesterday I first tried to mount it, but I didn't dare to put much pressure on it, so it didn't make enough conntact to boot up, so I hope it's allright.

Kaffebord

03-23-2006, 03:29 AM

WTF, yesterday I mounted the naked core with perfect contact. But the computer turned off in 2-3sec. I will try to put the IHS back on with some epoxy.

kbtat2

03-30-2006, 11:58 AM

Go to Home Depot or a similiar store and they sell these little self-adhesive pads made to put under the legs of furniture. They are perfect to use as little stabilizers for protecting the core.

The store near me had a pad that's about 4" x 4" and about 1/16" thick but it compresses pretty nicely.

Kaffebord

03-31-2006, 07:21 AM

I tried to remount the IHS, but the problem was still there. So I bought a new cpu, but it seems like the mobo is the problem. I have got the same problems with the mobo before so I guess I have to bite the sour apple and buy a new mobo.

[XC] 4X4N

04-16-2006, 10:22 AM

Here is my latest. This is #4 for ihs removal. Just as the others I have done, only about a 50mhz increase, but for this one temps are much improved. AD0 ultra-d temps are 8-10 degrees low, but still pretty nice temps. Cooling with big typhoon, in a fully closed antec p160. Still running prime for 24 hr. Not bad for less than $150 :D

http://home.comcast.net/~majutsu/144opty.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~majutsu/1443.0prm.jpg

Sparky

04-21-2006, 03:31 PM

NickS

05-05-2006, 04:30 PM

I'm toying with the idea of removing my IHS, however if I break it I don't have another $200 to buy a CPU with. I don't know if it is worth the risk if I'll only drop a few degrees....

I guess if I feel unsure about it I probably should go with my gut feeling and not do it.

Wow dude I felt JUST like you today. Take it easy, buy a brand new blade, and go at it. I'm a fourteen year old in high school, if I can do it successfully, you sure as heck can. Got my Venice up to 2.7GHz under 1.6v, too :D.

Pic: http://upload.nickfire.com//files/1/IHSLESS%20008.jpg

I just used the blade you see there, it was brand new. Some tips, prod around to find the spot where you can insert the blade. Push it in, and start pushing down, it's like cutting butter. Make sure you don't go too far in, though. Once you've gone around 2-3 times, twist the blade a bit and it'll pop right off :D. I'm very glad I did it.

Nick

Grinch

05-08-2006, 08:23 PM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1353094&postcount=3429

Mn3monic

05-12-2006, 12:30 PM

How far do u guys screw the water block to the naked core?
Going to remove the IHS soon but dunno how far/tight i should screw the block to the naked core later...

sealion

05-12-2006, 12:36 PM

With reasonable force. Dont crush the core. My opteron is pretty loose but my 3000 is tight as it'll go with no problems on either. When I say loose I mean it'll wiggle if I move the heatsink but of course it's making proper contact with the core.

MoTiG

05-14-2006, 10:22 AM

i'd like to know the experiences of "A64-IHS off "owners with these Heatsinks:

-XP 90C
-XP 120Bs
-Zalman 9500Led
-Freezer64 Pro

here are the questions:

1: Did you protect the cpu corners with AXP / DURON like rounds?

2: Is the contact between HEATSINK and CPU really good? or is the heatsink slightly swinging?

3: Did you make physical modifications to mobo or socket?

4: what's the temp you get in idle and after a 32M super pi at 1.5v?

thank you, i was thinking about buying a new heatsink because my 7700Cu isn't fitting really good my IHS OFF x2 3800+, it's moving although i couldn't make the screws hold tighter.

Ah, PS: which would you choose between XP90C and XP120?

dz`

05-14-2006, 02:22 PM

coop

05-14-2006, 04:28 PM

dz`

05-14-2006, 10:14 PM

I think there was bad contact somewhere before reapplying. OCCT needed 1.55v and temps were over 50

MoTiG

05-15-2006, 12:32 PM

what did you use to reapply IHS? i am thinking about reapplying mine cause i'm currently at 36Â° w/ 7700Cu - AS5 and 1.19v and that's way toooo much i think..

PS anyone knows how to make the 7700Cu "hold" tighter on the cpu? i screwed at the max but it's still moving..

dz`

05-15-2006, 02:23 PM

Silicone adhesive sealant to glue it back on. Smells really terrible. To physically apply the pressure I used the stock AMD heatsink that was modded for naked cores (bracket was filed down) this allowed me to reattach the IHS with higher pressure/force.

you could prolly go to a hardware store and buy some washers/spacers to get a tighter fit

gianni-gt

06-12-2006, 02:42 AM

here another realy bad example:

http://www.2wire.ch/ripping/bg/octs/cpu_ohne_ihs2.jpg

not mine! :D

CPU dead. R.I.P.

i found nemo

08-18-2006, 07:05 AM

holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:!!!

i did nick one of the lil resistors on accident :( but my venice runs about 3c cooler idle(30c), i'll prime 'er in a few and report back in

well, load is the same temp (44c) but with 0.032 more v's (1.584)

just wanted to add, that i was high when i removed the ihs. it's that easy. lol.

updated!!! the packs that are broken are after alot of remounts, only the nicked pack on the right upper side is what i did, the a64 freezer pro did the rest.

3400+ topless lbble 0521 mpm 2710 @ 1.595v core

NickS

08-18-2006, 07:14 AM

here another realy bad example:

http://www.2wire.ch/ripping/bg/octs/cpu_ohne_ihs2.jpg

not mine! :D

CPU dead. R.I.P.

How do you even manage that. I've popped five IHS now, and either I'm really good or really lucky. Havn't even bent a pin on any of them.

i found nemo

08-18-2006, 08:09 AM

here another realy bad example:

http://www.2wire.ch/ripping/bg/octs/cpu_ohne_ihs2.jpg

not mine! :D

CPU dead. R.I.P.

do you know any of the background on that cpu, does it still work? i mean, all of the caps are still 100% contact. lol what if it did work, that would be insane.

likewhoa

08-20-2006, 10:50 PM

not mine! :D
CPU dead. R.I.P.

Atleast none of the resistors were cut off, lol
wtf kind of blade was used on that? looks like it was cut off with a mini chainsaw.

Rickster_64

08-23-2006, 10:33 AM

I would recommend AGAINST using a Ryobi to pop the top of his next cpu.

halo112358

08-24-2006, 03:23 PM

Has anyone had trouble with their HS or waterblock making contact with the raised lip of the socket? I took a close look at my BT a few days ago and it was slightly tilted (ie: making contact with the core, but not really good contact).

Funny story, I figured I'd take off the BT and fix this but the screw heads are stripped so I can only tighten.

Overtightening into perfect contact FTW, temps are down ~8-10C.

douirc

08-24-2006, 04:54 PM

i've done this before on my old venice and my last X2. I used a razor from an old school shaver and worked well (minus the few cuts on my fingers). without skimming all 600+ posts, is this still the same suggested means of removing the IHS or is there a better way? a simpler way? perhaps a tool that doesn't jeopardize hitting any of the resistors?!?

thanks!

halo112358

08-25-2006, 01:57 AM

Cutting through that silicone seal is pretty straightforward with a straight razor blade (single sided, otherwise you're begging for cuts). Just pay attention and go slow - I started with the corners and then did the sides. Once you figure out how deep you can safely push the blade (ie: until you're through the silicone and into open space) then it's relatively easy.

ps:

Have anyone else made a keychain out of their heatspreader ?
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5946/opteronkeychainnn7.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opteronkeychainnn7.jpg) Funny you should ask ..

Rickster_64

08-31-2006, 05:46 AM

as far as i know xp90c and xp120 both clip on which is dangerous with ihsless cpus.

I have xp-120 and I de-lidded mine to apply as5 between die and spreader and glued it back on.

idle 29-31
32m load 38-40

Opteron 146, 1.525v BIOS 300x10 Ultra-D rev AD0 xp-120 with 120mm 93cfm fan

Do you know if its possible to clip the two clips for the XP-90/120 then screw the clamp down to the heatsink? There is a LOT of force by default i know, but I wonder if the tension is lessened enough by the height difference to let you install the heatsink flat, then screw the two sides down.

dz`

08-31-2006, 06:03 AM

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91661&highlight=naked+xp-120

I did that for both my xp-120 and my newly aquired xp-90.

etherealrhythm

09-03-2006, 08:43 AM

This thread is B-I-G for such a specialist topic. I guess there's just alot of hardcore b*stards out there :).

I'm here cos i'm about to buy an X2 and have read the stories of terrible IHS contact and the resulting limitation of the one core. So to save me reading all 6 hundred posts to get a good idea of how to do this, can anyone link to a guide, or a certain part of this thread where someone talks you through what they did?

All i know so far is to use a 1-sided razor blade and slowly and calmly slice through the glue material until the IHS is loose enough to pop off. Or is that all there is to it?

Also, what kind of situations is doing this NOT recommended? e.g huge, heavy HS/Fs, or anything like that?

Cheers.

douirc

09-03-2006, 09:10 AM

i just did this a few days ago on my new Toledo X2. I went to CVS and bought those double edged razor blades (comes 10 in a pack). I then used the packaging material, taped the razor in place, folded the cardboard over the other side and taped it shut. then i slowly just ran it around the sides, starting with the corners. the biggest advantage to using the cardboard was i could control how deep the razor would enter the lid. in the pic you can see i exposed the razor about 1/2".

the process of cutting took about 10 mins.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1102/toledox2015la7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

etherealrhythm

09-03-2006, 04:04 PM

Hey man, where you get that Toledo?

WoutZoR

09-10-2006, 09:50 AM

*crosspost* (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103786&page=4)

Just finished removing the IHS from my 165 CCBBE 0617FPMW. It's easy to do but omg what was I shaking... :rolleyes:
Some pictures:

http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/PICT2331_resize.JPG (http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/PICT2331.JPG) http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/PICT2339_resize.JPG (http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/PICT2339.JPG) http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/PICT2342_resize.JPG (http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/PICT2342.JPG)
[Click for Highres.]

The shim u see in picture 2, 3 and 4 is one of a X800. Fits perfectly. The shim is glue'ed in each corner with Super Glue.

Some results:
http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/IHS_Remove_Results+Comments_1.GIF

I'm currently running Orthos with 334 x 9 @ 1.450V + 110%. The temperatures don't go above 53Â°C
http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/CCBBE0617FPMW-334x9@1.568V_resize.jpg (http://www.woutzor.herejezus.com/meuk/GOT/IHS_Remove/CCBBE0617FPMW-334x9@1.568V)
[Clickable]

andlcs

09-15-2006, 08:55 AM

anyone has a naked AM2 CPU?

lism

10-31-2006, 04:30 PM

Last sunday i took the chance to remove the IHS.

Specs: AMD Athlon 64+ 3000+ (2GHz), 2.4GHz OC with Asus k8n / 2GB of memory and X800XT
http://tweakers.net/ext/f/987f98783fd7f153f5ce67e7461938a5/full.jpg

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/025ff5b5b1222aa55ae3fce2d7a58620/full.jpg

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/2b4dc6d7c766fad021186e407df46f49/full.jpg

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/5e3e9f03ac848d7cb5fc8f5db777317c/full.jpg

Was'nt so successfull as i thought .. I broke a capacitor but the CPU still works finely, and the cooler woud'nt fit anymore on the Core. I had to lower the bracket by sawing some parts of the bottom from it.

5Degrees difference on Load!

Next thing: Big-ass tec on my A64 Core! :D

kimnkk

11-12-2006, 02:32 AM

Interesting that a little SMD broke off and it still works. I'll post a picture of my A64 3000+ Venice - one of the little SMD got nicked and fell off but somehow the CPU still works.

I'll post a picture as soon as i can find the battery for my camera :p

In the mean time, anyone know what those little SMD things (transistor?) actually does?

buttmud

11-12-2006, 10:48 AM

here's a few of mine. on my 3500+ i nicked the green wafer part, but it didn't hurt performance. runs at 46c @ 1.68v =/ 2.7 GHz max :( keep in mind that i didn't do this until i got hammered ass drunk and thought it would be a good idea

my opty came off just fine. 1.5v it runs 43c @ 3 ghz

my opty
http://www.turbochargersupply.com/dustin/opteron.JPG

my 3500
http://www.turbochargersupply.com/dustin/3500.JPG

NoStra

11-12-2006, 12:10 PM

Sparky

11-12-2006, 12:25 PM

I don't have any pics of mine but I removed my opty IHS and got a 10 degree C drop in temps :eek:

Now running at 2.8GHz with stock voltage :) I need watercooling to get this thing to its max potential though, if I go much higher I need a small voltage bump which in return causes temp rise and it gets to be too much for my zalman CNPS9500.

buttmud

11-12-2006, 01:26 PM

What cooling do you use?

using a TT BT that is lapped and all shiny looking :)

I don't have any pics of mine but I removed my opty IHS and got a 10 degree C drop in temps

Now running at 2.8GHz with stock voltage I need watercooling to get this thing to its max potential though, if I go much higher I need a small voltage bump which in return causes temp rise and it gets to be too much for my zalman CNPS9500.

I can run 2.8 GHz on stock voltage too, its nice :)

kimnkk

11-12-2006, 02:04 PM

using a TT BT that is lapped and all shiny looking :)

I can run 2.8 GHz on stock voltage too, its nice :)

Wow, are you running the CPU without a shim or any foamy bits? I've got a TT BT (non-VX, so i can adjust height) sitting here but i don't want to mount it on the naked 3000+ because i'm afraid it would crush or chip the core once i turn the motherboard on its side to mount it in my case? Or hasn't that happened to you yet? :eek:

buttmud

11-12-2006, 03:02 PM

Wow, are you running the CPU without a shim or any foamy bits? I've got a TT BT (non-VX, so i can adjust height) sitting here but i don't want to mount it on the naked 3000+ because i'm afraid it would crush or chip the core once i turn the motherboard on its side to mount it in my case? Or hasn't that happened to you yet? :eek:

no shims or anything. just straight BT right onto the top of the processor. it'll be fine. if you don't remember, all processors used to come w/o an IHS. i had an old xp 2000 that i gave hell to, and did the same thing w/ an xp 3000. it'll be just fine.

halo112358

11-17-2006, 03:22 AM

no shims or anything. just straight BT right onto the top of the processor. it'll be fine. if you don't remember, all processors used to come w/o an IHS. i had an old xp 2000 that i gave hell to, and did the same thing w/ an xp 3000. it'll be just fine.
I have the same setup, my opteron 148 has no IHS and I've got a BT clamped right on :D works like champ

Sparky

11-17-2006, 04:44 AM

Question:

With the IHS removed and a tower cooler installed (zalman CNPS9500) any extra care needed when moving the computer around, like in a car? I usually have set my computer upright on the floor of the back seat (works the best for me) but I'm wondering if that would now be a bad idea with the IHS removed and all that weight directly on the core bouncing down the road...

NickS

11-17-2006, 04:45 AM

Naw, it should work fine. :) Just don't hit any huge potholes or something.

Sparky

11-17-2006, 04:52 AM

Naw, it should work fine. :) Just don't hit any huge potholes or something.
OK cool. I try to avoid those potholes anyway, trying to make my worn suspension last as long as possible :p:

buttmud

11-17-2006, 07:16 AM

if you want to be safe, get some black electrical tape and make it 4 ply. put 1 pad on each corner. it'll help you get that warm fuzzy feeling that your core is safe :)

Sniper_Merc

11-24-2006, 07:56 AM

Just popped the IHS on my X2 4200

All I can say is

DDD

(didn't do :banana::banana::banana::banana:)

Temps nearly identical to previous readings using Core Temp. Which means I allready had really good contact between the core and the IHS/Shin Estu, that was allready there.

Oh well, guess my waterblock just sucks ass. Will replace it at some point.

Will post up pics in a bit here.

I did use a somewhat novel method to cut the sealant. Initially tried an x-acto blade but found out it was too thick. so tore a schick disposeable razor apart and then took one of the blades and broke it in half, mounted it in the x-acto knife handle and damn did it ever go through that sealant fast, 2 passes on each side (first pass for depth gauging) and she popped right off lickity split. Hardly even needed to push hard due to the razor being so damned thin and extremely sharp.

NickS

11-24-2006, 08:31 AM

Sniper_Merc

11-24-2006, 08:45 AM

Allright, here's the pics, rather large so didn't want to put them inline so just clicky.

The victim, Athlon X2 4200+ 236x11 for 2600 MHz 1.525 Vcore (allready previously lapped the IHS with 0 noticeable difference there either)
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/ihs_removed/cpu_before.jpg

The method
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/ihs_removed/razor_blade.jpg

Popped
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/ihs_removed/ihs_off.jpg

Remaining sealant removed and the x-acto blade depth
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/ihs_removed/ihs_off_razor_complete.jpg

Before and after temps
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/ihs_removed/before_and_after.jpg

Note that there is a 3C drop in the main cpu core temp, and a 1C gain in the Tcase temp, both of which can be attributed to just minor fluctuations in the case/room temps.

One other note, as far as holding onto the cpu while cutting. Took the foam pad from the plastic clamshell that the CPU came in and double back foam taped it to a small piece of aluminum, result, no bent pins.

I am hopefull that once the AS5 has had a chance to cure for a couple of weeks I will start to see some lower temps but who knows.

I Also am starting to think that the waterblock included with my Vantec kit just isn't up to the task of removing the heat from the core fast enough, so it will likely get replaced with a good swiftec or danger den at some point.

I hate computers ;)

Sniper_Merc

11-24-2006, 09:00 AM

Well first off, just use your basic 1-sided razor blade. That's all thats needed, and it works perfect.

Secondly, people have mixed results. Maybe yours isn't tightened down hard enough.

Back to the mixed results, some people claim no drop, while others claim 10*C drops.

On all three of my Venice CPU's that I popped, I got on average 5*C lower temps.

I didn't feel like runnig down to the 24 hour wallgreens just to pick up a 59 cent razor blade at 6:00 AM this morning :P. So, I made do with what I had on hand, it worked out better than I could have ever hoped for, the blade in the disposeable razor is extremely thin and holding it with the x-acto blade holder worked perfectly. (check out the pics I just posted above).

I did compensate for the loss of thickness due to the IHS being removed by adding some double back foam tape between my water block and the clamshell designed mounting bracket that the Vantec Stingray water cooling kit comes with. It's got plently of pressure on the core, probably just a matter of getting a better waterblock that screws down so I could increase the pressure even more. (pic of the wb installed) (http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/redone/side_close_1.jpg), another pic showing the mounting bracket (http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/ihs_removed/cpu_before.jpg)

One thing to consider as far as your venice core is concerned, the X2's core is twice the size of a venice core, which I would have thought could actually cause better heat transfer just due to size but I guess the increased voltages and the simple fact of running two cores produces even more heat that needs to be taken away.

Ahh well, it was fun little project to do in the wee hours of the morning here :)

Sniper_Merc

11-25-2006, 10:02 PM

Secondly, people have mixed results. Maybe yours isn't tightened down hard enough.

Decided to check out that theroy for certain.

Didn't have any way of machining out a proper metal spacer to increase the core tension more, so I did the next best thing, I dug into my MR Yacknfutz (brain on too much coffee) machineries handbook and found a way to do it.

Sata cables and a waterblock, my new best friend. :D

I cut two lengths off of a Sata cable I had laying around, which is actually about .030" thicker than even the origina heat spreader was, and held them in place while I remounted the clamshell bracket.

Lo and behold, I hath seen the light :clap: 13C drop in heavy load temps :woot: , running 2 instances of Stress CPU and the real time HDR lighting demo running.

Oy, now I get to come up with a more permanant way of increasing the core tension, I don't think the sata cables should stay there ;) Pics coming in next post

NickS

11-25-2006, 10:20 PM

Haha, told ya man! Glad to hear of your good results, and glad to be of help. :up:

Sniper_Merc

11-25-2006, 10:42 PM

Haha, told ya man! Glad to hear of your good results, and glad to be of help. :up:

I had forgotten that I actually turned off my radiator fan and main system fan to get the temps up faster, temp drop is more like 15C and that should increase even further once the AS5 has had a decent chance to settle in.

Christ, I been kinda ticked off at the temps I was seeing with this water cooling, up untill now, the only real advantage I saw was in the quieter system.

It does make me wonder if increasing the core tension with the heat spreader on there would have made a difference or not, my guess would probably be not.

At any rate, just got through takin some pics, will post em in a few min.

NickS

11-25-2006, 11:04 PM

Sounds good, cant wait!

Sniper_Merc

11-25-2006, 11:16 PM

Sounds good, cant wait!

Ok hwg, not going to put them inline cause I'll probably get :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ed at so just clicky ;)

Can see the two green strips of SATA cable i put under each side of the waterblocks hold down mechinisim. (note that there is a third strip along side the block cause the block scoots around on the core a lot more without the surface tenstion area of the heat spreader)
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/uggh/sata_waterblock_1.jpg

Here's the results.
http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/uggh/increased_core_tension_2.jpg

As much as 15C drop, oy, maybe I can get this damn thing to 2800 MHz like I allways intended to now ;)

NickS

11-25-2006, 11:19 PM

Nice :) Good temps for just a Vantec Stingray kit.

@ 2.81GHz, 1.63v I get about 54*C/56*C in Core Temp, Socket AM2 w/IHS Lapped (Soldered onto Die)

Sniper_Merc

11-25-2006, 11:48 PM

They started soldering the IHS down? I know Intel was doing that, didn't know the new AM2's were.

NickS

11-25-2006, 11:52 PM

Yeah some of teh new AM2's are.

Heres my temps after about 30 mins of WCG.

http://upload.nickfire.com//files/1/temps%281%29.jpg

Not bad for IHS still in tact, with two vModded 7600GT's in the loop.

http://www.nickfire.com/public/ihs-lap/ihslap%20022.jpg <thats my IHS

Sniper_Merc

11-26-2006, 12:31 AM

Those temps look damn near identical to mine (crosses fingers for another 200 MHz).

Went the extra mile with that IHS I see lol.

Did quite a bit of reading before I lapped mine and found out that basicly anything over a 600 grit finish was likely just overkill so thats where I stopped at. Edit: heres what mine looked like when it was done. http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/redone/cpu_done.jpg

Oh and as far as your earlier coment about the stingray kit, I researched that damned thing from one end of the internet to the other, and basicly it allways came within 1-2C of the Astek kit that I had been looking at for quite some time and the Astek kit was $100 more.

As I commented earlier in the thread I thought that maybe the waterblock was just junk so I went out and found even more reviews, one inparticular caught my attention. It compared several of the leading waterblocks including the one from the Vantec kit and it came in second place for temps, the only one that beat it was the Swiftec Storm at $85 bucks just for the friggin block!!! ;)

Overall the stingray kit is a decent starter kit, which is kind of what I wanted, it does have some fit and finish problems that were not noted in any of the reviews I read, like the screws that hold the chipset spring arms on the nb, sb and gpu waterblocks all stick up above the surface of the contact area, thus you gotta file off the tops of the screws or run the countersinks deeper.

At any rate, I'm just glad I finally got the damnable temps to where I thought they should be, thanks in part to you ;).

NickS

11-26-2006, 12:46 AM

Yeah the Vantec kit doesn't seem to be bad at all. Only thing bad about it I can tell is that the block is clip-down, not bolt-down.

As for the lap job, I also read that over 600 grit doesn't really help, but I wanted a mirror finish bad. BTW, what voltage are you running your CPU at? I wouldn't expect your temps to be too pretty after going as high as ~1.63v like me, sadly. Especially with a single 120MM rad handling CPU, GPU, and Chipset. (May be wrong on that one, having trouble recalling your exact setup.)

Anyway, glad to help! :)

Nick

Sniper_Merc

11-26-2006, 12:58 AM

1.50 Vcore 236x11 for 2600 MHz, ram is 4x512 sticks of corsair 1:1 @ 2.9 Vdimm, Northbridge is at 1.8 volts. 7900 GS 575/730. and a buch of other stuff.

Sniper_Merc

11-26-2006, 01:33 AM

Kicked it up a notch.

1.625 250x11 for 2750 1:1 with ram, backed off the ram timings to 10,4,4,3 for now and will dial it back up later, temps very very similar to yours.

New temps, http://snipershide.us/images/sniper/new_puter_oct_2006/uggh/2750_yabbadabbado.jpg :bday2:

One thing I did just notice when I brought up CPUz, friggin cool and quiet must be enabled cause it keeps dropping back to 1.350 volts, but so far appears to be stable, at least stable enough to run stress cpu for 10 min.

Dunno why its enabled, it shouldnt be, even bios says its disabled, hrrumph, oh well, if its stable, who cares!!! ;)

Edit: ACKKKKK that didnt werk lol, backed off the ram to 4/5 works fine now :) I really need to get pair of 1 gig sticks vs 4x512.

granulf

11-26-2006, 07:26 AM

Wow, great improvement there Sniper_Merc :D . Makes me want to pop the IHS off my x2 3800+, but I'm afraid I'll crush the core when mounting it. Any tips to mount it as securely as possible?

Will I be able to mount my Storm water block without any modifications to the mobo? The reason I want to remove the IHS, is that one of the cores peeks 60c during load, while the other one keeps a lot cooler. Not sure if it's due to the IHS though.

I have a razor blade next to me, so it's hard to control :D

NickS

11-26-2006, 08:09 AM

Yeah, the storm will mount fine. :)

GO FOR IT!

granulf

11-26-2006, 09:14 AM

Yeah, the storm will mount fine. :)

GO FOR IT!

I just started on it, but gave up halfway. I accidentally cut of a tiny tiny piece of the edge of the green pcb. I just tried it, and it worked just fine though :) . Not sure if I'm going to finish it or not. Maybe I'm scraping the pcb all the way? I won't find out until I've chopped it off :p . I used a extremely thin and flexible two edged razor blade. It seemed to cut through the black rubber thingy pretty easily.

But the worst thing was that my hands were shaking like a leaf... Didn't make it any easier lol :D

granulf

11-26-2006, 12:21 PM

Arrgh... I've been cutting for at least 45 minutes now, still won't seem to come off :( . It's not soldered, it's a socket 939 x2 3800+ from 2005 week 43. Any good tips?

NickS

11-26-2006, 12:53 PM

Kasparz

11-26-2006, 01:09 PM

Removed today IHS of my sandy 3700+
old 0515SPMW 20c drop
new 0542FPMW 10c drop
This time removed IHS very fast and clean. First one removed with shaking hands and so.

granulf

11-26-2006, 01:48 PM

Go around the edges slowly a few times. Push in fairly deep, and you'll feel the surface mounted SMD's. Pull out a bit and keep going around, being careful not to hit them. If you stop at something hard, its prolly an SMD. Pull out a bit and continue. Once you're finished, grab the IHS and twist fairly hard. The paste can get brittle. Tada.

Oh, I want pix of the finished thing too :p:

Ok, thanks for the tips. I accidentally chopped of a piece in the edge though :( . I panicked for a second so I threw it into my computer and it appears to still be working just fine :)

granulf

11-26-2006, 02:40 PM

Ok, job finished :) . I was happy to see that none of the capacitors were damaged. However, it has got a small scratch. I do believe that happened in the start when I didn't quite managed it :p: . If it happened in the beginning, it should still be functional, as I tested it 2 times before I was finished. I'll test the cpu tomorrow, finally my Storm will come to live! (hopefully :p: )

Tha equipment and job finished :woot:
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1774271/0/nouser_1774/T1_-1_1774271.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=1774271)

As you can tell, there's a scratch in the corner there :( . But as a said, I think it still works!
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1774260/0/nouser_1774/T1_-1_1774260.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=1774260)

I'll test it tomorrow and hopefully it works :) . Btw, to help prevent uneven distribution of pressure on the core, thus not crushing the crushing the core, will it be sufficient enough to just apply a few layers of black electrical tape in each corner?

NickS

11-26-2006, 02:48 PM

Yes, but I never did that when I mounted anything on my naked dies. Didn't need to.

If you feel more comfortable doing so though, go right ahead. :)

Sniper_Merc

11-26-2006, 03:36 PM

I'll test it tomorrow and hopefully it works . Btw, to help prevent uneven distribution of pressure on the core, thus not crushing the crushing the core, will it be sufficient enough to just apply a few layers of black electrical tape in each corner?

One thing you want to check after you get it remounted is to make damned certain your heatsink doesn't hit the zif socket at the cam block, I got lucky in the fact that mine didn't but different motherboard manufacturers may use different parts.

Easiest way to tell is just lay your case down and set your sink so it's balanced on just the core and see if you can slide a piece of paper under the sink but over the zif socket cam block. If it hits, you have two choices, mod the heatsink using a milling machine and cut a small ledge in the sink, or put the heat spreader back on. If you put the IHS back on, can likely find some high temp silicone sealant down at home depot to do the job.

As for your previous question about the storm block, I don't have any clue as if it will work after remounting, it's pretty much up to you to figure that one out.

granulf

11-26-2006, 03:56 PM

Yeah, I'm aware of that problem. But I don't think my dfi expert is affected. If it is I'll throw the crap out off the window and buy a laptop first thing :)

andlcs

11-26-2006, 04:07 PM

What do you use to "re-glue" the IHS after lapping it and applying new thermal paste?

Sniper_Merc

11-26-2006, 04:12 PM

What do you use to "re-glue" the IHS after lapping it and applying new thermal paste?

I didn't remove the IHS when I lapped it, just held it with the plastic clamshell that the processor came in with the piece of foam double back foam taped inside so it wouldnt keep falling out.

Point is rather moot now tho, IHS gone :)

NickS

11-26-2006, 04:19 PM

One thing you want to check after you get it remounted is to make damned certain your heatsink doesn't hit the zif socket at the cam block, I got lucky in the fact that mine didn't but different motherboard manufacturers may use different parts.

Easiest way to tell is just lay your case down and set your sink so it's balanced on just the core and see if you can slide a piece of paper under the sink but over the zif socket cam block. If it hits, you have two choices, mod the heatsink using a milling machine and cut a small ledge in the sink, or put the heat spreader back on. If you put the IHS back on, can likely find some high temp silicone sealant down at home depot to do the job.

As for your previous question about the storm block, I don't have any clue as if it will work after remounting, it's pretty much up to you to figure that one out.

If you're feelin real risky people have sanded down their actual cams. :p:

Sniper_Merc

11-26-2006, 05:23 PM

If you're feelin real risky people have sanded down their actual cams. :p:

LMAO!!! Hadn't heard that one yet, but I suppose that there is probably a good .020 to .030 worth of plastic there before hitting anything that would affect the cam mechinisim.

Just glad I don't have to personally find out ;) got a goot .010 worth of clearance on mine.

Edit: BTW, haven't happend to know how to stop XP from downing my CPU voltage to 1.35 when it's not under load do yah? I been doing some more testing and got into windows and ran some benches at 2.9 GHz but that damn core voltage is i think holding me back cause it keeps ticking down, prime fails right off the bat at 2.9 but 2.75 works fine. Though I may just be hitting the limits of my chip here too.

I allready removed the dual core hotfix, amd driver, deleted the throttle entry in registry and removed the /usepmtimer from boot.ini, but damn thing still drops to 1.35 (hell its supposed to be a 1.4 chip anyway)

wedfighter

11-26-2006, 06:49 PM

my naked Venice and Clawhammer both died since the IHS removed
it died after 3 months naked...:D
the venice runs @ 3ghz daily, n the Claw run 2,95ghz daily :D

granulf

11-27-2006, 02:39 AM

my naked Venice and Clawhammer both died since the IHS removed
it died after 3 months naked...:D
the venice runs @ 3ghz daily, n the Claw run 2,95ghz daily :D

I've heard of several cpus die after some time for no apparent reason.

NickS: You seem to have removed many. Have any of your cpus died?

Sniper_Merc: If it hasn't already been done; disable cool & quiet.

Sniper_Merc

11-27-2006, 03:18 AM

Sniper_Merc: If it hasn't already been done; disable cool & quiet.

Already did. No effect. :(

NickS

11-27-2006, 03:41 AM

I've heard of several cpus die after some time for no apparent reason.

NickS: You seem to have removed many. Have any of your cpus died?

Sniper_Merc: If it hasn't already been done; disable cool & quiet.

Removed three of my own, and two friends'.

I've sold all mine working cept one which died because I kind of shorted out my motherboard, so that was my fault. My friends' are still alive and kickin' too. :)

granulf

11-27-2006, 03:48 AM

Removed three of my own, and two friends'.

I've sold all mine working cept one which died because I kind of shorted out my motherboard, so that was my fault. My friends' are still alive and kickin' too. :)

Ok, sounds good :) . I just booted up with the cpu now(without IHS), and everything looks good. Dual priming at stock speed, temps 22-23c :D . Yes, I know the sensors are a bit off, but it's still darn good. core 1 is about 30c and core 2 about 24c. Still some difference though, but not too much. Now it's time to start the overclocking :woot:

granulf

11-27-2006, 07:37 AM

So far the lower temps doesn't seem to help at all. I can't seem to overclock any further :( . Core temp is about 15-20c lower on one core than earlier, the sensor called "CPU" isn't changed much. A bit frustrating, but I'll try to burn in at lower speeds and gradually increase. If it won't go any higher at all, I might have to attack my other x2 3800+ :D

granulf

11-27-2006, 12:39 PM

I've decided to reassemble the IHS again tomorrow :( . I obviously chose the wrong cpu. This old x2 3800+ doesn't clock as far as my new x2 3800+. So I thought I would put a dab of thermal paste on the core, put some epoxy along the "rubber line" and then just put the IHS back on. That should work ok, right? It's not really needed with great temperatures, it's going to be run at stock speed. Any advices with the reassembling?

Btw, I doubt I'll remove the IHS from the other cpu, as it gave me absolutely NO gain(overclocking wise). Although the core temp dropped a fair bit :)

buttmud

11-27-2006, 01:41 PM

you should take the top off of the AM2. i bet its just like taking the top off of the core2 procs. just cut the silicon around the IHS, then torch the top :) off she comes.

NickS

11-27-2006, 02:25 PM

you should take the top off of the AM2. i bet its just like taking the top off of the core2 procs. just cut the silicon around the IHS, then torch the top :) off she comes.

Easier said then done. :rolleyes:

Sometimes the solder between the core and the IHS melts BEFORE the solder between the core and the CPU PCB, too.

granulf

11-28-2006, 04:41 AM

you should take the top off of the AM2. i bet its just like taking the top off of the core2 procs. just cut the silicon around the IHS, then torch the top :) off she comes.

Who have got an AM2? I haven't seen anyone mentioning AM2 :slap:

granulf

01-06-2007, 09:12 AM

I just popped the lid off my other x2 3800+ with great results indeed. Chopped off about 20-25c during load! (core temp)

Btw, the second time everything went perfect. Last time I scratched off a bit of the green pcb material, but this time it was just a clean cut through the rubber :)

NickS

01-06-2007, 10:10 AM

granulf

01-06-2007, 01:10 PM

Grat'z :)

Ta, now I'm just waiting to receive my Corsair HX620W, so I finally can reveal what this chip is capable of. :banana:

HmmmDonut

01-09-2007, 08:00 PM

Eh..I just popped the IHS off my 165, and I am running into a lot of problems. With the IHS on I was hitting the low 60's with both the AMD heatsink, and my Zalman 7000B. I used several different installs of AS5, and I assure you it was appiled right.

So I knocked off the IHS, except my temps are exactly the same. I've tried multiple mounts, and used silly putty, and electric tape to try to get a more stable mount with the 7000B. It seems that no matter what I do at this point I can't bring my temps below 60c. My lidless Venice ran everyday at 2.8/1.6v, and never once hit above 50c.

There are a couple of things. When I took off the IHS I completely tore off a capictator from the core. The chip still works, but something tells me that broken capicatotor is causing more voltage to be sent cpu. This would explain the high temps, and that fact that the 7000B "seems" to making good contact with the core. I can't be to sure however, and after 6 hours of testing I'm to tired to even realize it anyway.

The chip has potential too. I got a 3.0ghz validation screen just before 80c temps crashed the system. :(

What I need for you guru's is someone expriences with the 7000B, and a lidless X2. Also if the broken cacpitotir is the cause of my problems. I'm really thinking that the problem is just I can't get a good mount with the cpu.

I think the best option is to just replace the HSF, but the lack of bolt-through heatsinks limits my options. I'd love some help.

NickS

01-09-2007, 08:22 PM

Well one, of course the chip's gonna run hotter, it's dual core. :doh:

Second, the 7000B is an Athlon XP era heatsink. I suggest investing in a Thermaltake Big Typhoon. :)

Third, I honestly don't know how people take off SMD's when they pop IHS'. Idk if some peoples are loose or what but if your blade stops, pull it out a bit and try to continue.

All in all, I'm glad to hear the chip still works. Good job dude :up:. I doubt the SMD you took off increased vcore BTW.

Good luck in finding a heatsink! The TT Big Typhoon IS bolt throu btw, and is quite easy to mount.

HmmmDonut

01-09-2007, 08:39 PM

[XC] DragonOrta

01-09-2007, 09:37 PM

granulf

01-12-2007, 01:43 PM

I have never damaged any SMDs, and I don't really see how so many people do it... :confused: If you're unsure about how deep you can cut, look at a picture or a diagram to get an idea. When you find out just how deep to cut, it's only a matter of firmly pushing it around the IHS. Just watch out for the small gap on one side.

halo112358

01-20-2007, 01:10 AM

Just popped the IHS off my 165, before I wasn't able to run more than 1.425 vCore without overwhelming my cooling. Now I'm able to run 1.575 :D trying for 3.0ghz stable now.

granulf

01-20-2007, 09:39 AM

Just popped the IHS off my 165, before I wasn't able to run more than 1.425 vCore without overwhelming my cooling. Now I'm able to run 1.575 :D trying for 3.0ghz stable now.

Congratz :D . Even though I lowered my temps 20-25c, it didn't bring my 24/7 100% stable overclock any further. When it comes to benching it got me a LOT further. In your case you should be able to get further I reckon :toast:

halo112358

01-21-2007, 11:38 PM

:woot: 3ghz stable on air with 1.525v and some room to spare :D hopefully I'll be able to do 3.1+ on water.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/91/3ghzvalid0bt.png

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9083/32m203ghz6hk.png

IHSremover

01-27-2007, 05:39 PM

what the hell? i went to remove the IHS on my a64 3700+ and managed to. Guess what? Instead of getting lower temps they sky rocketed to around 60c and now i cant keep it at 2.6 ghz @ 1.52v anymore. I'm running @ stock or it gets too hot (im using a zalman 9500 cps) my advice is to ignore everyone here and never remove the IHS on your cpus. Nice, now my cpu runs hotter.

korby

01-27-2007, 06:11 PM

Well, theeeee...
I'm more than sure that the contact with the HS it's not very good. :slap:

IHSremover

01-27-2007, 06:23 PM

Well, theeeee...
I'm more than sure that the contact with the HS it's not very good. :slap:

probaly not but i can't make it better than what it is with the zalman cps 9500.

Spacehead

02-12-2007, 07:06 AM

Great!

I cut IHS off today and it brought 10 degrees cooler 100% load temps!

Now priming at 3 Ghz (which previously was no go)

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9752/ihsremovedcacae3500zc2.jpg

nick2crete

02-13-2007, 07:09 AM

I could not resist and i popped mine as well...all went good ...the temp is now 2-3C lower in idle and 5-6C in load..not bad...

The problem is that i tried remount the Ihs this morning...i put AC5 on the core and i used superglue ...temps over 40C in idle and the pc restarts...i tried again with no name thermal paste putting a little more for better contact but it was worse...bsod and high temps...:(
Now i took out again the Ihs and its like before ..ok
The thing is that i would like to sell this Opty after some time ,so if you could give me a tip about remountaining the Ihs and get the normall temps back ..:)

halo112358

02-26-2007, 04:58 PM

probaly not but i can't make it better than what it is with the zalman cps 9500.

So put a dab of thermal paste on the die and stick the IHS back on.

duh :P

lism

05-29-2007, 01:00 AM

lol. i fried my cpu.

Basicly the A64 is protected against overheating right? When u turn your computer on it just switches off when u don't apply a heatsink?

Well i had my first run with watercooling, dual 120MM radiator, Enheim pump, dangerden waterblock etc, i had to make some serious adjustments to make the block fit cause the IHS was removed. I made it work and it runned just fine for a week, when i removed all the parts to check my watercooling-setup for dirt. When i plugged that stuff back on it somehow did not make good contact with the CPU-core (yet the stupid adjustment i made..) and when i turned it on i could hear a static noise / same sound when u make some sparks with electricity.

Basicly my CPU was fried. Everything else worked perfectly but the CPU died lol.

I've learned now that only with a good reason, i'll remove the IHS. That Protection with overheating will not work nomore without a IHS, proberly cause a IHS offers a small amount of time for the CPU to shutdown.

I ordered other stuff btw :cool: X2 3800+ Am2, 2GB Corsair ddr2 dc (pc6400 CL4), x1950pro and a Nforce 5 motherboard.

Jimmer411

06-02-2007, 07:40 AM

Im thinking of removing my IHS right now as well :D Does anyone know if the classic apogee will need any modifications to fit right? Someone said the storm didnt, and Im hopin that Im just as lucky with my apogee

Jimmer411

06-05-2007, 06:12 PM

Just popped the top on my 4400 X2! Will post pics once I get it installed and running :D disposable razor blades make it sooo easy. I destroyed a mach3 replacement just to learn they are not wide enough! My moms cheap pink leg razor did the trick tho :D Shoulda seen her face when I told her what I was gonna do with it haha

*Idle temps dropped 4C and load temps have dropped 14C so far. Tryin to find cable so I can upload pics :/

Poser

06-12-2007, 12:04 AM

I popped the lid on my opty175 (ccbbe 0617EPMW), and I shaved 4 degrees off of idle temps (31*C now...my ambient is about 27), but was able to clip almost 15*C off of load temps (41*C). I had no way of hitting 3ghz on air.... but now that I can jump the voltage, I am OCCTing at 3.0 and its looking like I'll make the half hour mark with temps @ 49*C @ 1.52v...prime is up next and if I can pass 12hrs...I will try backing the voltage down a lil bit at a time.

cooling is a TR120 ultra with FM121 (at 12v) and as5...

Janchu88

06-18-2007, 02:41 AM

Hi, i removed the IHS on a San Diego some time ago 3700+... At the Moment i have an X² 3800+ Toledo but i don´t wanna finally take the IHS off, only to swap the thermal paste . Does it make sense to put some AS5 thermal paste under my IHS?

TEDY

06-26-2007, 12:08 AM

question:

would infinity fit ok on ASUS M2N SLI DLX on my BRISBANE X2 3600+ ??? naked of course...

rintamarotta

07-03-2007, 07:19 AM

Hello Xtreme Systems!

Just removed my IHS from my A64 3200+, and well it gives in idle only 4'c lower temps than ihs in cpu but load temps wont go over old idle temps..

IHS in CPU (2201Mhz, 220FSB, 1.45v) :
- Idle : 37'c
- Load : 45'c

IHS removed from CPU (2201Mhz, 220FSB, 1.45v)
- Idle : 33'c
- Load : 37'c

Max Overclock IHS Installed :
- 2400Mhz, 240FSB, 1.6v

Max Overclock IHS Removed :
- 2500Mhz, 250FSb, 1.50v

I could not get more far because my motherboard is the limiting factor and it sucks anyway for overclocking ( MSI K8N SLI-FI )

Also i dont know why but my Kingston KVR400X64C3A/512 memory runs fine at 470Mhz DDR memory speed with settings of 2.5 3 3 7, anything over it starts give memory errors in memtest and in many programs, maybe i got lucky sticks!

EDIT : Oh yeah forgot my cpu exact id is ADA3200DAA4BW LBBWE 0550FPMW

Exal

07-13-2007, 12:05 PM

So I finally got the balls to remove my amd 3800x2 IHS...

idle temps = 70 degs

Guess who forgot to buy thermal paste :shrug:

i found nemo

08-08-2007, 06:04 AM

Pisu87

01-14-2008, 07:05 AM

Thread revival :D

I mean to remove the IHS from my 165 but I won't if I can't find a way to mount the XP-90C without crushing it.

I have a shim I popped off a Radeon 9500 or 9700 back in the days, I've checked the size and it will fit my CPU just right and I'm thinking of glueing it onto my 165. I should remove the black stuff under the IHS first, then what could I use to stick the shim? Generic superglue? Silicone? Hotglue? The less thick the better, because I don't know how tall the core is.

Do you think it's doable?

OCN_pariah

01-24-2008, 02:11 AM

Took about 5 minutes and a steady hand.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/mighty_whitey_138/nakedBrissyX236001.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/mighty_whitey_138/nakedBrissyX236002.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/mighty_whitey_138/nakedBrissyX236003.jpg

Pisu87

01-24-2008, 03:08 AM

Oh by the way I eventually did take out the IHS and put the shim on, here are a couple of pics :D

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_200801/th_20080116194037_1.jpg (http://www.pctunerup.com/up/image.php?src=_200801/20080116194037_1.jpg)

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_200801/th_20080116194152_4.jpg (http://www.pctunerup.com/up/image.php?src=_200801/20080116194152_4.jpg)

In the second picture there is normal Ceramique on the core, now I use liquid metal paste on it. Thanks to the mod I've turned the vcore down from 1.475 V to 1.4 V, temperatures are about 12° C lower, that leaves more room for overclocking :eek: :D

lism

04-19-2008, 03:32 PM

Geezus reading this thread again makes me wanna pop the hood of my X2 3800+ :D

I might do some serious adjustments before i pop off.... Lowering the bracket for example.

paganini

05-04-2008, 04:47 AM

Is removing IHS can help coldbug problem?

Sunfire

05-04-2008, 07:14 AM

Is removing IHS can help coldbug problem?

No, it can't.

lism

07-29-2008, 01:33 PM

People in here are trying to remove the IHS and replace the paste with some AS5. Let me tell you that AS5 wont fit the IHS noways. You can test this by putting something on it, and fit the IHS without glue back on. See if it left any Paste at all on your IHS, if not, you know what i'm talking about.

Since i coud'nt hit 2800MHz for some reason, but hit 340MHz HTT and 550MHZ / 3-3-3-9 speeds (DDR2) my CPU stuck at 2.6GHz is kinda whack. I'm considering to remove the IHS, but i've got a pretty much old batch (65W / 3800+ X2) and i saw some doompics in here on soldered IHS onto the core, and with removal it destroyed it totally. Would i be safe? And i saw putting loadbalancers on your die-package would smaller the chance of your core getting chrused, i have a zalman 9500 LED n stuff. When the case is in it's side, it would defenitly crush the core by hanging on the side, u know?

Pisu87

07-30-2008, 08:18 AM

i saw some doompics in here on soldered IHS onto the core, and with removal it destroyed it totally. Would i be safe? And i saw putting loadbalancers on your die-package would smaller the chance of your core getting chrused, i have a zalman 9500 LED n stuff. When the case is in it's side, it would defenitly crush the core by hanging on the side, u know?
I don't know about cores being ripped off the PCB, the only one I saw was maybe an old socket 754 CPU.

A shim will totally reduce the risk of crushing the core, I've had it that way for more than six months by now without issues. I have a XP-90C with a 92 mm Tornado, a 9500 LED is definitely lighter, if the heatsink is well tightened you shouldn't crush stuff unless you start kicking the case :D