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Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 11:44 AM
Dear All,
Now the Long waited Gskill GH PC3200 2-2-2-5 (winbond UTT) finally is here.
Let's see the Official package and information here.
Again, these results are official.

Let's see the official package and ram IC.

1.the whole package, 1gb dual channel kit:

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/GskillGH01.jpg

2. Label info and IC, Layout is BP-B6u808

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/GskillGH02.jpg

Gskill IC part number, it's L32w8h-5, nothing to do with winbond's IC serial#.

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/GskillGH03.jpg

Got 4 sticks here. Don't hate me. they will be there just a moment.

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/GskillGH04.jpg

************************************************** ******

Now, if you please pardon me, I am so sick this morning and need to get all the
LAB report to my class. So, I just do some tests.

**Be aware of this note:
About previous thread, I don't wanna comment too much about that.
BUT, I do honestly tell you guys. It's impossible that DDR500 can be reached by only
3.0v stable on my case. even old BH-5 can't do that either.
So please IGNORE the DDR600, 2-2-2-5 immatured memtest86+ screen from the other thread.
That is NOT represented by any official GSkill.

Let's see some defauly performance:
Motherboard: DFI NF4 SLI-DR, BIOS:331-2

DDR400 2-2-2-5, I think I got some vdimm inaccurate reading on the smart guardian
I set 2.53v under bios.
PI 1m:

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr400pi1m.jpg

Sis BW:

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr400bw1.jpg

how about the maxium fsb on default voltage (bios 2.6v)

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr426pi.jpg

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr426bw.jpg

************************************************** *********
The voltage using on the below benchmarks are NOT recommanded by GSkill,
those high voltages are only for users to be the reference.:D

DDR500, 2-2-2-5,
3Dmark 2001se completely stable on 3.3~3.4v

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr500pi.jpg

FM official result here:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8514729
not bad huh?:D

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr5003d01.jpg

**DDR520

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr520pi.jpg

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr520bw.jpg

Actually, I am still trying the difference between 310, 331-3, 331-2 and see what's the difference amount them.
please understand that this is the official announce here at the XS. Not personal showing off.

I will definitely give a effort on this new product and get its maxium result out.
Thank you for all your patient.


Kevin Wu(OPB). Gskill

bachus_anonym
04-04-2005, 11:52 AM
Kevin,

Do you have any idea when will they hit the streets and who's gonna get them first? Digi4me, Newegg ?
I suppose, you can't show us any more volts put on that memory, can you?

Nice product :thumbsup:

EDIT: I just re-read the whole thing - you're sick and tight on time... My bad :brick:

SlackeR
04-04-2005, 11:55 AM
Nice mem :toast:

Ashe
04-04-2005, 12:02 PM
looks great, nice review :)

Zeus
04-04-2005, 12:02 PM
Nice RAM, will it come in 2x256mb flavour as well?
Any idea on prices yet?

enzoR
04-04-2005, 12:04 PM
:toast:

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 12:04 PM
True, and no 250Mhz @3v :P

Well, here my results. First European results :p:

BIOS: 331-2 (oskar wu)

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory/Gskill%20PC3200GH/GS_PC3200GH_2.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory/Gskill%20PC3200GH/GS_PC3200_BH5_260MHz.JPG

And stable though 3.25~3.28v

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory/Gskill%20PC3200GH/GS_PC3200_BH5_memtest.jpg

Not alot of tweaks 2-2-5-2 1T Trrd and so on = 2. Tref = 3072. No skew, 8/5ns and 16/7x

Pretty ram for pretty price.


Nice RAM, will it come in 2x256mb flavour as well?
Any idea on prices yet?

205E at icomputers.nl

Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 12:07 PM
Nice RAM, will it come in 2x256mb flavour as well?
Any idea on prices yet?

200+US
won't exceed 210 for 1g kit.

But might Not have 2x256

you wanna do special order bud?:D

setyotomo
04-04-2005, 12:13 PM
:toast:

pricing strategy from gskill would be interesting,

about the setting, why are you using 100 1.95us ( thats 3684 according to THIS (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33537&postcount=10) )?

best regards,

=dion=

Zeus
04-04-2005, 12:15 PM
you wanna do special order bud?:D

Looks tempting mate. ;)

$0m#0n#
04-04-2005, 12:17 PM
about the setting, why are you using 100 1.95us'd also like 2 know :)

perry_78
04-04-2005, 12:19 PM
Nice, but of course the pricing in Europe will be typical 250-300 Euros :(

Kararoto, any idea when OC-WEAR is getting these?

HARDCORECLOCKER
04-04-2005, 12:23 PM
True, and no 250Mhz @3v :P

Well, here my results. First European results :p:

BIOS: 331-2 (oskar wu)
And stable though 3.25~3.28v


Not alot of tweaks 2-2-5-2 1T Trrd and so on = 2. Tref = 3072. No skew, 8/5ns and 16/7x

Pretty ram for pretty price.



205E at icomputers.nl

:D One question, according to OSKAR shouldn't the 331-1 be the right BIOS for low latency RAM ?

Maybe You can give us some clearance about it here..... :toast:

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 12:26 PM
Nice, but of course the pricing in Europe will be typical 250-300 Euros :(

Kararoto, any idea when OC-WEAR is getting these?

Will ask for you tomorrow! I will keep you informed.
1GB GH will be around 200Euros dude, not 300Euros ;)


:D One question, according to OSKAR shouldn't the 331-1 be the right BIOS for low latency RAM ?

Maybe You can give us some clearance about it here..... :toast:

Will test 331-1 soon. I suppose 1, 2 and 3 are almost the same.

krampak
04-04-2005, 12:30 PM
woha! 250 2-2-2 at 3'25V, that's nice :)

1GB GH will be around 200Euros dude, not 300Euros

200 euros would be a very good price... tccd's costs 270-330€ (depends on brand) here in spain.

TEDY
04-04-2005, 12:37 PM
200€ also expensive...I got mine TWINMOS 1A4T for 150€ and less.

n00by
04-04-2005, 12:37 PM
If I remember correctly coolaler had 2gigs of this stuff at 250~260 and 3.5ish v's.... Amazing is all I can say. Notice the BP808 too. OPB are these stuff available in Taipei/Taichung Nova shops?

enzoR
04-04-2005, 01:14 PM
they dont seem to be able to go much higher than 260 they kinda hit a wall it seems. ?

Ashe
04-04-2005, 01:22 PM
Stupid me :slap:

Never heard of UTT doing 2-2-2-5 @2.5V :eek:

georgesod
04-04-2005, 01:24 PM
Are they bh5 or utt then?

Punisher!
04-04-2005, 01:28 PM
Thanks OPB!
List updated: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=796501#post796501

:D

$0m#0n#
04-04-2005, 01:46 PM
Are they bh5 or utt then?bh-5

Jack
04-04-2005, 01:48 PM
Are they bh5 or utt then?
UnTesTed bh-5 :)
so it's the new bh-5, but they call it utt aswell

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 01:50 PM
UnTesTed bh-5 :)
so it's the new bh-5, but they call it utt aswell

You are 100% right :)

Ashe
04-04-2005, 01:51 PM
UnTesTed bh-5 :)
so it's the new bh-5, but they call it utt aswell
And i was wondering about the nice clocks at low voltage?
Do bh5 gain mhz with different timings? (250 2-3-3 @3V)?

cpulloverclock
04-04-2005, 01:55 PM
it exists with 256MB modules?

better ocing

$0m#0n#
04-04-2005, 02:02 PM
And i was wondering about the nice clocks at low voltage?

Do bh5 gain mhz with different timings? (250 2-3-3 @3V)?no, mayb like 3-5Mhz

^don.k's^
04-04-2005, 02:13 PM
As i see, the only difference between UTT-CH and UTT-BH are the latencies at low voltage, isn't? Because at high voltage the results are pretty the same... :confused:

Correct me if i'm wrong... :stick:

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 02:14 PM
it exists with 256MB modules?

better ocing

as far as I know there is only one type available (1Gig)


As i see, the only difference between UTT-CH and UTT-BH are the latencies at low voltage, isn't? Because at high voltage the results are pretty the same... :confused:

Correct me if i'm wrong... :stick:

Manufactures can test their Winbond UTT and rate any speed and timing.
Good ones (DDR400Mhz 2-2-2-5@2.5~2.6v) are named BH-5 and bad (won't do 2-2-2-5) are named as CH-5 or just UTT.

perry_78
04-04-2005, 02:20 PM
as far as I know there is only one type available (1Gig)



Manufactures can test their Winbond UTT and rate any speed and timing.
Good ones (DDR400Mhz 2-2-2-5@2.5~2.6v) are named BH-5 and bad (won't do 2-2-2-5) are named as CH-5 or just UTT.

Finally some insight!

Vandread
04-04-2005, 02:23 PM
Manufactures can test their Winbond UTT and rate any speed and timing.
Good ones (DDR400Mhz 2-2-2-5@2.5~2.6v) are named BH-5 and bad (won't do 2-2-2-5) are named as CH-5 or just UTT.
So whats the thing about:
-CH-5 =0,13µ
-BH-5 /=0,175µ
?

On what micron are the gskill winbond chips manufactured?

Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 02:24 PM
You are 100% right :)


Not 100%

but I can't say it..:D
neither CH or BH.. :)

HiJon89
04-04-2005, 02:28 PM
Not 100%

but I can't say it..:D
neither CH or BH.. :)
That only leaves DH :banana:

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 02:29 PM
So whats the thing about:
-CH-5 =0,13µ
-BH-5 /=0,175µ
?

On what micron are the gskill winbond chips manufactured?

Yes..
Winbond has three types of UTT with different procede. I think the winbond UTT nowadays (OCZ, Twinmos, Mushkin, GS etc..) are 0.175um.

1. 0.11um (the quantity is very high)
2. 0.13um can do ddr400 2-3-2-5 high voltage ddr500 2-3-2-5 or above
3. 0.175um can do ddr400 2-2-2-5 high voltage ddr500 2-2-2-5

OPB? this is correct info right? :D

Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 02:33 PM
Yes..
Winbond has three types of UTT with different procede. I think the winbond UTT nowadays (OCZ, Twinmos, Mushkin, GS etc..) are 0.175um.

1. 0.11um (the quantity is very high)
2. 0.13um can do ddr400 2-3-2-5 high voltage ddr500 2-3-2-5 or above
3. 0.175um can do ddr400 2-2-2-5 high voltage ddr500 2-2-2-5

OPB? this is correct info right? :D


yup, now is 100% already :)

cadaveca
04-04-2005, 02:40 PM
yup, now is 100% already :)

woah...NOW I completely understand.... :slap:


um, you gonna take my order? that's the 808a pcb, right?

edit nevermind,thanks, saw the pic of the BU code.

^don.k's^
04-04-2005, 02:45 PM
Older CH 5 were 13um??didn't? Then, it go past 250 2-2-2 with high voltage, then i think it isn't 100% already yet :p:

:toast:

cadaveca
04-04-2005, 02:46 PM
not bh-5 if you ask me, by the size. BH chips are much larger, and i thought the circles on BH were more oval than anything else. But i could be wrong. :banana:

HARDCORECLOCKER
04-04-2005, 03:00 PM
Will ask for you tomorrow! I will keep you informed.
1GB GH will be around 200Euros dude, not 300Euros ;)



Will test 331-1 soon. I suppose 1, 2 and 3 are almost the same.

:D Yep - test would be nice mate, and "almost" can make the difference here........ ;)

:toast:

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 03:03 PM
[/B]

:D Yep - test would be nice mate, and "almost" can make the difference here........ ;)

:toast:

haha, you are good :)

HARDCORECLOCKER
04-04-2005, 03:09 PM
haha, you are good :)

:banana: It's the naked truth dude - we are "extreme" here and each single MHz really counts........ :p:

:toast:

babyelf
04-04-2005, 03:22 PM
Yes..
Winbond has three types of UTT with different procede. I think the winbond UTT nowadays (OCZ, Twinmos, Mushkin, GS etc..) are 0.175um.

1. 0.11um (the quantity is very high)
2. 0.13um can do ddr400 2-3-2-5 high voltage ddr500 2-3-2-5 or above
3. 0.175um can do ddr400 2-2-2-5 high voltage ddr500 2-2-2-5

OPB? this is correct info right? :D

then G.Skill's mostly is on?

kakaroto
04-04-2005, 03:24 PM
then G.Skill's mostly is on?

0.175um offcourse :) see the results in startpost :)

Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 03:44 PM
If I remember correctly coolaler had 2gigs of this stuff at 250~260 and 3.5ish v's.... Amazing is all I can say. Notice the BP808 too. OPB are these stuff available in Taipei/Taichung Nova shops?


I think yes :)

cabojoe
04-04-2005, 05:25 PM
OnePageBook...could you please check your email and pm from me? Thank you sir.

isp
04-04-2005, 06:08 PM
Nice results kakaroto...
These things looks to be directly competing with VX and OCZ's recent release of 3200 gold. Nice performance/price...~$200

It will be interesting to see if 250 2-2-2 @ 3.25-3.3 will be the norm or not.

babyelf
04-04-2005, 06:12 PM
0.175um offcourse :) see the results in startpost :)

thanks :D

deception``
04-04-2005, 06:19 PM
Do you know how soon these modules will be available in the states?

deception``

metro.cl
04-04-2005, 07:00 PM
so no bh5 ram???

i thought they'll do better

Cpt Twitchy
04-04-2005, 07:11 PM
OPB and Kakaroto thank you for your results and official release. It is great to see this set of ram looking so promising and such a beautiful price. :toast:

Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 07:16 PM
whoooo...I am getting better now, I was no energy at all earlier this morning.
Now, Thank you all for support Gskill.

honestly, I think 200 is about the good price, and if you guys really eager to own the better one like DDR500 2-2-2-5 with not really hight voltage, GSkill will also have that as well.

CrimeDog
04-04-2005, 07:39 PM
honestly, I think 200 is about the good price, and if you guys really eager to own the better one like DDR500 2-2-2-5 with not really hight voltage, GSkill will also have that as well.

:slobber: my debit card is ready and waiting.

could you please give us a date to see in stores? pretty please?

Skip
04-04-2005, 07:43 PM
wow. impressive memory. i was wondering when gskill was going to tap the UTT market.

babyelf
04-04-2005, 08:00 PM
honestly, I think 200 is about the good price, and if you guys really eager to own the better one like DDR500 2-2-2-5 with not really hight voltage, GSkill will also have that as well.


wow.... any ETA?

EMC2
04-04-2005, 08:10 PM
Thank you very much for the official results and the time you took to do the testing, even though you felt bad OPB :toast:

Very glad to hear you are feeling better and good luck with your class/lab work :D

SHiRaKaWa
04-04-2005, 11:08 PM
@OPB

Will there be BH5s garanteed at high speeds like ddr500 or ddr600 like ocz's VX?

babyelf
04-04-2005, 11:09 PM
erm... ddr600?

Onepagebook
04-04-2005, 11:36 PM
@OPB

Will there be BH5s garanteed at high speeds like ddr500 or ddr600 like ocz's VX?

What do you mean at high speed? should it be high voltage?
I don't think it can hit DDR600 2-2-2-5, but it did the job at at least DDR540 I think :)

There is no guaranteed in computer hardware especially when you are talking about overclocking. :toast:

OPB

xsky
04-05-2005, 12:59 AM
I guess he wanted to ask if there will be a Gskill product rated PC4000 2-2-2-5 like OCZ offers one...

Vandread
04-05-2005, 01:05 AM
I guess he wanted to ask if there will be a Gskill product rated PC4000 2-2-2-5 like OCZ offers one...

honestly, I think 200 is about the good price, and if you guys really eager to own the better one like DDR500 2-2-2-5 with not really hight voltage, GSkill will also have that as well.
PC4000 aint PC4800 ;)
So if you read this post it seems to say there will be PC4000 2-2-2 ;)

gundamit
04-05-2005, 04:16 AM
I'll be looking for the PC4000 version of the G.Skill BH-5 UTT if the 2x512mb kit comes in at the $200-210 price OPB mentioned. If they come out with a PC3200 version it would have to be priced a lot lower to compete with the Mushkin Blue, Twinmos SP and OCZ value.

If G.Skill decides to follows the model they used on TCCD and bins not only premium PC4000 but also PC4200 guaranteed to run 267 at 2-2-2, I could see a lot of XS members (myself included) paying a lot more. It might be too much to ask for since they'll have to go through a lot of sticks and throw in a warranty to cover 3.5v.

Won't be long now before Mushkin jumps in with their premium version. How long before Corsair, Patriot, Geil, Patriot, PQI and other come out with their own versions?

kakaroto
04-05-2005, 05:50 AM
Here some stress burn-in testing :D

3.26V :) seems 260 ~ 270MHz is only benchable, not for 24/7 use.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory/Gskill%20PC3200GH/GS_PC3200_BH5_memtest.jpg

Sentential
04-05-2005, 06:12 AM
:slobber: my debit card is ready and waiting.

could you please give us a date to see in stores? pretty please?
More interested in 260 or 270 capable UTT, but im sure you guys can pull that off :slobber: .....or atleast i hope :stick:

Onepagebook
04-05-2005, 10:05 AM
I'll be looking for the PC4000 version of the G.Skill BH-5 UTT if the 2x512mb kit comes in at the $200-210 price OPB mentioned. If they come out with a PC3200 version it would have to be priced a lot lower to compete with the Mushkin Blue, Twinmos SP and OCZ value.

If G.Skill decides to follows the model they used on TCCD and bins not only premium PC4000 but also PC4200 guaranteed to run 267 at 2-2-2, I could see a lot of XS members (myself included) paying a lot more. It might be too much to ask for since they'll have to go through a lot of sticks and throw in a warranty to cover 3.5v.

Won't be long now before Mushkin jumps in with their premium version. How long before Corsair, Patriot, Geil, Patriot, PQI and other come out with their own versions?


GSkill will have some ddr500 2-2-2-5 above, but will not cost that much than 3200 2-2-2-5. :)

setyotomo
04-05-2005, 11:12 AM
so.. there will be speed binned GS UTT... nice :D

@kakaroto : nice memtest result... but the bandwidth a little low, what setting do you have? i'm asking this because i can get about 3100 mb/s at ddr500 2-2-2-5

situman
04-05-2005, 11:12 AM
odd that OCZ says their BH5 cant hit ddr500. They might ahve physically limited the overclocking abilities as not to cannibalize their sale of PC4000 VX. OCZ might have to lower prices or change some policies in order to compete

kakaroto
04-05-2005, 12:30 PM
so.. there will be speed binned GS UTT... nice :D

@kakaroto : nice memtest result... but the bandwidth a little low, what setting do you have? i'm asking this because i can get about 3100 mb/s at ddr500 2-2-2-5

Memtest bandwidth is sometimes weird, if very different when chaning Trrd and Tref.

I set 2-2-5-2-9-12-2-2-2-2

SHiRaKaWa
04-05-2005, 03:47 PM
What do you mean at high speed? should it be high voltage?
I don't think it can hit DDR600 2-2-2-5, but it did the job at at least DDR540 I think :)

There is no guaranteed in computer hardware especially when you are talking about overclocking. :toast:

OPB

yeah. I meant like ddr500 @ 3.3v tested and garanteed. just like your le's and la's which are tested and then rated at certain speeds.

Onepagebook
04-05-2005, 05:38 PM
Memtest bandwidth is sometimes weird, if very different when chaning Trrd and Tref.

I set 2-2-5-2-9-12-2-2-2-2


Also the TRTW and TETR ;)

babyelf
04-05-2005, 05:45 PM
GSkill will have some ddr500 2-2-2-5 above, but will not cost that much than 3200 2-2-2-5. :)

er.. when u say above .. it's above ddr500?

[XC] moddolicous
04-05-2005, 06:05 PM
Wow, this ram looks like it needs a new home (my home). Nice results so far OPB, pump 4v in and see if you can get 300 2-2-2-5.

Onepagebook
04-05-2005, 06:55 PM
Wow, this ram looks like it needs a new home (my home). Nice results so far OPB, pump 4v in and see if you can get 300 2-2-2-5.


It's impossible though, honestly. :)

Supertim0r
04-05-2005, 08:47 PM
any results on Intel platform ?
I would like some 250-260 2-2-2-5 with my P4 :)
seems OCZ VX doesn't perform great on Intel board... :rolleyes:

SHiRaKaWa
04-05-2005, 08:55 PM
It's impossible though, honestly. :)

Arrrrrr :cussing:

When will these die manufacturers like samsung or winbond learn?
What we want is a fast RAM no mater what the voltage requirement is.
We don't care about power efficiency, We don't care about A NEW RAM WITH LESS VOLTAGE.
Heck if the ram required 7 volts, 8 volts or even 12 volts to do 800fsb @ 2225 we will buy it. We have a 12 volts line...right?! What's it for? Even the new Sata hardisks are powered with the 3.3 volts line. What will the 12volts line be for then.. fans?!!

But I guess we are just a small fraction of their market. :(

Onepagebook
04-05-2005, 10:23 PM
Arrrrrr :cussing:

When will these die manufacturers like samsung or winbond learn?



The IC is made by Winbond :stick: :D

zeebs
04-05-2005, 10:56 PM
Go G. Skill! Nice looking results OPB & co. Can't wait to see what the speed binned stuff can do, I bet it will be sick.

xsky
04-05-2005, 11:37 PM
any results on Intel platform ?
I would like some 250-260 2-2-2-5 with my P4 :)
seems OCZ VX doesn't perform great on Intel board... :rolleyes:

In my case (875P-T) VX4000 worked much better than really good BH5 (OCZ 3500EL Ldt Ed.)

Supertim0r
04-06-2005, 12:48 AM
In my case (875P-T) VX4000 worked much better than really good BH5 (OCZ 3500EL Ldt Ed.)

what king of results you got ? :eek:
250 2-2-2-5 ? :)

xsky
04-06-2005, 01:12 AM
I had them up to 256MHz 2-2-2-8 for memtest...but then too much cooling is required.

Usually they run 250MHz 2-2-2-5 with 3.28V. I can turn on things like "Selective CPC", "Fast Chip Selection", "Fine tune Memory Timings" and "Turbo" RAM Settings ;)

With Turbo enabled it's no longer Memtest stable but still Prime and everything else.

The only thing I can't use at this speed is "CPC Adress Control".

But actually that doesn't belong in this thread....

SHiRaKaWa
04-06-2005, 02:47 AM
The IC is made by Winbond :stick: :D

I know. I meant that they should make an ic that has a default voltage of 5 or 6 volts with no heat not 2.6v and be overclocked to 5volts. :D

edit: We should make an xtremesystem's ic.
Default voltage 12v
2225 @ 1000 fsb
I can see it now
Sandra bench 52,323
super pi 6.75 seconds
everest latency 12.8
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

bravoman10001
04-06-2005, 07:46 AM
Nice, but of course the pricing in Europe will be typical 250-300 Euros :(

Kararoto, any idea when OC-WEAR is getting these?

If you go to this url you will find these nice ram:
http://oc-wear.de/pd1112360335.htm?categoryId=25
price is 210 euro.

greetz

Onepagebook
04-06-2005, 05:15 PM
If you go to this url you will find these nice ram:
http://oc-wear.de/pd1112360335.htm?categoryId=25
price is 210 euro.

greetz

It will be available in newwgg and memory-pro 3 days later. 200 or less. :toast:

Jack
04-06-2005, 10:57 PM
It will be available in newwgg and memory-pro 3 days later. 200 or less. :toast:
never mind ;)

gundamit
04-07-2005, 02:50 AM
It will be available in newwgg and memory-pro 3 days later. 200 or less. :toast: Hmmm ... 210 euros = $270 U.S. so that looks like a good price point to start at under cutting the regular OCZ VX. What about the BH PC4000 from G.Skill. Any price point or delivery date for that product yet?

Onepagebook
04-07-2005, 10:26 AM
Hmmm ... 210 euros = $270 U.S. so that looks like a good price point to start at under cutting the regular OCZ VX. What about the BH PC4000 from G.Skill. Any price point or delivery date for that product yet?


I think it will be ready to order by this weekend or tomorrow though, with pretty nice little cell phone strip (and Gskill T-shirt in the future:D)

kakaroto
04-07-2005, 02:12 PM
@OPB: I want that T-shirt :D :D :D

Small update guyes.

Stable at 3.5v.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory/Gskill%20PC3200GH/GS_PC3200_BH5_260MHz_stable.JPG

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/Memory/Gskill%20PC3200GH/GS_PC3200_BH5_260MHz%20_memtest.jpg

For DFI NF4 users

Drive strength at 8
Data strength at 3 or with older bios then 331 at 4.

sandybeach
04-07-2005, 03:48 PM
so OPB?

so we will see the pc4000 2-2-2-5 bh at newegg by this weekend??

is there a model # yet to look for??

thanks

nebuchanezzar
04-08-2005, 06:41 AM
AFAIK the model # is F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH but I can only find it in some place in Asia for 1800 whatever the monetary value is.

clarence
04-08-2005, 11:29 AM
It's HK$1,800, translates roughly to USD230

gundamit
04-08-2005, 02:00 PM
AFAIK the model # is F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH but I can only find it in some place in Asia for 1800 whatever the monetary value is.
Link if you want to take a look. (http://www.pcbulb.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=977) PcTweaker.de also has them (http://www.pctweaker.de/product_info.php?products_id=641&cPath=) of course that does the rest of us who are hitting the refresh button at NewEgg no good at all. :mad: Of course I can't spend the day doing that. I'm hoping someone who is doing that will throw 99 of them in his basket and PM just before he releases them back into stock. Anytime between 9:30PM PST and midnight would be preferred, although PM regardless of the time.

J/King . I'm actually going to pass on the first wave. .... but PM me just in case I change my mind. No ... nevermind ... I shouldn't be buying more memory. But seriously ... PM me ... really.

B5I8
04-11-2005, 02:13 AM
Still no sign of these anywhere in the US.

Craig
04-12-2005, 05:41 PM
OPB,

Will these work in a NF2 board, Infinity to be exact?

Can you also tell me of any web retailers who have them yet, 4000 prefered?

Jeroen
04-12-2005, 06:13 PM
Great memory!!!!
When it will arrive at the stores, in US?

Onepagebook
04-12-2005, 08:04 PM
Well newegg really has that already!! Soon or later they will get it up! No worries!:D

Here are some DDR500+ actions:


testbed
MOBO: DFI NF4 SLI-DR, BIOS 331-2 beta
CPU cooling: Mach 2 Mod R402A
CPU FX55 IHS Removed
GSkill 1GB DC kit(Winbond UTT)
Western Digital wd740GD x2 Raid 0
ATI x850 xtpe
PSU: OCZ powerstream 600w, 3.3v@ 3.4v, 5v@5.16v

DDR510 super pi 8m
CPUZ verified:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=11482

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr510gh8m.jpg

Give some juice:
DDR535, super pi 8m:

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr535gh8m.jpg

3.63v: 273 (DDR546), trtw:2, idle cycle limit:8
CPUZ verfied:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=11516

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/GskillGH/ddr5468m.jpg

Ram burn in? not really!!:D

chunkylover77
04-12-2005, 08:20 PM
Good to see you back OPB. Is this the Ram Pc Ice used with the Venices?

Onepagebook
04-12-2005, 08:40 PM
Thank you.


no, I think Dave got the world 's first GSkill true PC4800 1g DC kit 1t

I also have that DDR600 2.5-3-3-6 , only 2.6v can pass about 40 rounds of memtest86+ Test 5. sounds good?:D

chunkylover77
04-12-2005, 08:53 PM
That is what I want. When is that coming out?

Onepagebook
04-12-2005, 09:01 PM
couple days later;

gundamit
04-13-2005, 01:52 AM
OPB, glad you're back and the rumor that you killed a Honda employee turned out to be false. Makes me sorry I started it. ;)

F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE (TCCD) is back in stock at NewEgg. I was hoping the new stuff would show up with the restocks. Putting voltage/heat issues aside, would you recommend the new BH over the TCCD for the DFI NF4-SLI? Seems like you were always a big fan of BH-5 so I'll guess you would say wait and go with the F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH.

Onepagebook
04-13-2005, 03:49 AM
OPB, glad you're back and the rumor that you killed a Honda employee turned out to be false. Makes me sorry I started it. ;)

F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE (TCCD) is back in stock at NewEgg. I was hoping the new stuff would show up with the restocks. Putting voltage/heat issues aside, would you recommend the new BH over the TCCD for the DFI NF4-SLI? Seems like you were always a big fan of BH-5 so I'll guess you would say wait and go with the F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH.



Ya , I can kill him by just a thumb :p:

Ya, I would say own them both, you guys can start order GH today@ both Newegg and digi4me ;)

Cpt Twitchy
04-13-2005, 08:09 AM
The 1 gig kit of GH is in stock at digi4me for $210.

http://store.yahoo.com/digi4me/gs1gb5ddrduc.html

setyotomo
04-13-2005, 08:26 AM
OPB are you using auto on tref?

Onepagebook
04-13-2005, 08:33 AM
I use eother 166, 1.95us or 100, 1.95us

**btw, digi4me's price is too high, I will tell them get that below 200. :)

kakaroto
04-13-2005, 08:40 AM
Good to hear GH is getting available in USA, Europe still is waiting.. hehe

Very nice results OPB. I only get 265MHz 2-2-2-5 maxed stable. 3.5v :p:

babyelf
04-13-2005, 08:42 AM
any shops ships internationally?

xenolith
04-13-2005, 12:05 PM
I use eother 166, 1.95us or 100, 1.95us

**btw, digi4me's price is too high, I will tell them get that below 200. :)

OPB, you're awesome. :woot:

babyelf
04-13-2005, 03:56 PM
nvm already asked digi4me.. they ship international

when are we seeing it under 200? :P

calcal
04-13-2005, 07:02 PM
can i get link to purchase these from newegg or some other place?

sandybeach
04-13-2005, 07:14 PM
http://store.yahoo.com/digi4me/gs1gb5ddrduc.html

here Calcal

Playful_Buffalo
04-14-2005, 02:23 PM
think i will pick some up, just hope newegg starts carrying them

calcal
04-14-2005, 02:27 PM
hrmm 210, ill have to think about it i thoguht it was gonna be like 110 like the other UTT's

B5I8
04-14-2005, 07:22 PM
They're for sale at Newegg for $197.85

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-013&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE

I already bought a set so I think there are only 4 sets left :bananal:.

Kunaak
04-15-2005, 04:18 AM
yep, only 4 kits in stock... be quick if you want them, nice price for some good ram.

Publ!k En3my
04-15-2005, 06:45 AM
They're for sale at Newegg for $197.85

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-013&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE

I already bought a set so I think there are only 4 sets left :bananal:.

I am gonna have someone in US order these modules for me. I just got one question: is this pair of memory using Winbond BH-5 chips?

I also saw some new series of G-Skill GBLA (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-008&depa=0) which is @ 300 bucks. Which is better between GBLA and GBGH?

xgman
04-15-2005, 07:17 AM
any chance of running these at 270-275 stable on a dfi?

Jack
04-15-2005, 08:22 AM
any chance of running these at 270-275 stable on a dfi?
i don't know, most bh-5 seem to hit a ceiling at ~260MHz (prime stable)

Onepagebook
04-15-2005, 09:07 AM
I think 266 can do prime 95 pretty stable @3.63v:)

xgman
04-15-2005, 09:36 AM
would you run a dfi nf4 with a FX55 24/7 at 3.63v?

Onepagebook
04-16-2005, 11:54 AM
would you run a dfi nf4 with a FX55 24/7 at 3.63v?


no , I won't do it for 24/7
but I tried 3.2v DDR500 for 24/7 :D

xenolith
04-19-2005, 12:27 AM
OPB, do you know when the PC4000 1GBGH kits are going to be available? They're really the ones I want. :toast:

Divine_Madcat
04-19-2005, 02:44 PM
So, (i know this is an ambigous question), what could i expect on this ram, with my modded (3.3v straight to DIMM) Neo2 Plat? Any issues i should be aware of before i order a set?

P_1
04-19-2005, 03:22 PM
whats the max voltage that you would run opb 24/7 with a fan blowing over mosfets and ram?

Onepagebook
04-26-2005, 09:23 PM
whats the max voltage that you would run opb 24/7 with a fan blowing over mosfets and ram?


3.3 will be good enough
BTW, now the price will be around 160 for GH 1g kit.:D

gundamit
04-27-2005, 12:42 AM
Now 4 kits in stock at NewEgg for $180. (http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=0-N82E16820231013)

SAE
04-27-2005, 04:35 AM
Hmm, that ram looks tempting :)

The 4000GH would be even better...

xenolith
04-27-2005, 03:20 PM
Hmm, that ram looks tempting :)

The 4000GH would be even better...

Yeah... I'm still waiting on the PC4000 1GBGH...

OPB? :stick: :p:

danbob
05-06-2005, 06:54 PM
up to what voltage are they still warrantied?

Onepagebook
05-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Yeah... I'm still waiting on the PC4000 1GBGH...

OPB? :stick: :p:


Actually the recent GH is already capable of doing pc 4000 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v :toast:

shadowing
05-06-2005, 07:45 PM
Actually the recent GH is already capable of doing pc 4000 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v :toast:

Don't tempt me. :D

xenolith
05-06-2005, 10:07 PM
Actually the recent GH is already capable of doing pc 4000 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v :toast:

So I guess that means there probably won't be a GH PC4000?

Don't get me wrong, the current GH looks very, very attractive for the price. But the chance that maybe 1 in 10 sticks won't do 250mhz 2-2-2 is still too high for me. I already have way too many sticks of various UTT-BH and CH that are capable of 230~245mhz @ 3.2~3.3V.

Agent-JCDenton
05-18-2005, 05:29 AM
Nothing spectacular, but my VX needs 3.4v minimum to reach the same speeds

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-skill_GH_250MHz_3.2vDimm.jpg

I'll try lower vDimm as i continue to test these modules.

NajZ
05-18-2005, 08:40 AM
wow 3.2v at that speed is well above average

Agent-JCDenton
05-18-2005, 09:17 AM
They don't seem to be breaking sweat yet, once i get back to testing these sticks i'll try them at 3.1v and 3.0v. This is my first G-Skill product and i'm very happy with them so far. My target is to get them running above 260Mhz at 2-2-2 atleast.

enzoR
05-18-2005, 09:27 AM
give em 3.8

Agent-JCDenton
05-18-2005, 09:37 AM
lol, not jus yet. I'm saving that for my new mushkin redlines (xp4000).

Onepagebook
05-18-2005, 09:38 AM
They don't seem to be breaking sweat yet, once i get back to testing these sticks i'll try them at 3.1v and 3.0v. This is my first G-Skill product and i'm very happy with them so far. My target is to get them running above 260Mhz at 2-2-2 atleast.


I think not just 2-2-2, Gskill is not like some Cherry pick pair ..you will now know it. :toast:

Onepagebook
05-18-2005, 09:54 AM
So I guess that means there probably won't be a GH PC4000?

Don't get me wrong, the current GH looks very, very attractive for the price. But the chance that maybe 1 in 10 sticks won't do 250mhz 2-2-2 is still too high for me. I already have way too many sticks of various UTT-BH and CH that are capable of 230~245mhz @ 3.2~3.3V.

I can officially say that there is not necessary to get the different product name to waste customer's $$. Not 1 in 10, 9 out of 10 can at least do 3.3v DDR500 :toast:

Agent-JCDenton
05-18-2005, 10:10 AM
I think not just 2-2-2, Gskill is not like some Cherry pick pair ..you will now know it. :toast:

Hello OPB,

A quick question, will i void the warranty if i put heatspreaders on these sticks? They are actively cooled with a 80mm fan at the moment, but adding heatspreaders would allow heat from all the ICs to be cooled more effeciently (the fan is cooling the center of the sticks ok, its just the ends it can't get to well enough).

I'm using the same timings as in your official run at 273Mhz and they are working a treat on the yellow slots :clap:

Onepagebook
05-18-2005, 10:18 AM
Hello OPB,

A quick question, will i void the warranty if i put heatspreaders on these sticks? They are actively cooled with a 80mm fan at the moment, but adding heatspreaders would allow heat from all the ICs to be cooled more effeciently (the fan is cooling the center of the sticks ok, its just the ends it can't get to well enough).

I'm using the same timings as in your official run at 273Mhz and they are working a treat on the yellow slots :clap:


Very good result indeed, now , you might need to have right idea about the heat-spreader,
It's really just eye candy and holding you back. It will just void the warranty as well.

Agent-JCDenton
05-18-2005, 10:22 AM
Very good result indeed, now , you might need to have right idea about the heat-spreader,
It's really just eye candy and holding you back. It will just void the warranty as well.

Darn! Just when i was beginning to think gold heatspreaders would look so pretty on them, lol :slap:

Onepagebook
05-18-2005, 08:02 PM
Darn! Just when i was beginning to think gold heatspreaders would look so pretty on them, lol :slap:


Haha, it's very tricky thinkg though. :slap:

jiff
05-19-2005, 12:41 AM
Actually the recent GH is already capable of doing pc 4000 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v :toast:

Mines not, mine takes 3.43. does 260 (2.2.2.8)with 3.7volts and very lose timings :slapass:

Interesting that SPD says default timing is 2.2.2.5, but default timing on my DF4 are 2.3.2.5 and it needs 2.8 volts to do this

GazC
05-19-2005, 01:37 AM
Mines not, mine takes 3.43. does 260 (2.2.2.8)with 3.7volts and very lose timings :slapass:

Interesting that SPD says default timing is 2.2.2.5, but default timing on my DF4 are 2.3.2.5 and it needs 2.8 volts to do this

I'm wondering if it is a DFI issue because my Geil deaults to 2-3-2-5 if I leave it at auto even though the SPD tab shows 2-2-2-5?

jiff
05-19-2005, 01:43 AM
I'm wondering if it is a DFI issue because my Geil deaults to 2-3-2-5 if I leave it at auto even though the SPD tab shows 2-2-2-5?

yeah I would concur its the bios not the Ram, I have given up with UTT.
I so wanted 265 but alas a set of VX and Gskill BH couldnt. I have ordered some Gskill FF now

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 03:15 AM
Tested lower voltages earlier, it looks like 3.2v is my minimum at 250Mhz

Here's 255Mhz @ 3.3v, i'm estimating 3.45v or 3.5v for 260Mhz. Strange how the latency has gone up from 36 @ 250 to 38 @ 255. Hmmm....will look into this later.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill_1GB_GH_255Mhz_2-2-2-5_3.3V.jpg

esdee
05-19-2005, 04:00 AM
can you do trfc 12?

bh5 can do that

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 04:12 AM
I'd set the wrong tref, hence the higher latencies at 255Mhz.

Here's 260Mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.4v. Now don't get me wrong, the OCZ VX is great, but my sticks wouldn't get past 255Mhz even at very loose timings, so I'm really happy with the G-Skill GH.

Hello esdee,

I'll try trfc @ 12 jus now and see how that goes.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill_1GB_GH_260Mhz_2-2-2-5_3.4v.jpg

esdee
05-19-2005, 04:25 AM
its worth tryin trtw = 1 too, gives more b/w too

thanks :toast:

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 05:11 AM
can you do trfc 12?

bh5 can do that

Trfc @ 12, better everest latency and faster time in SuperPI. The idle timer was also changed, from 8clks to 256 clks.

Thanks esdee, now to change trtw to 1,...a little heads up would have been nice while i was in bios, esdee. lol :D

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill_260Mhz_2-2-2-5_Trfc_12.jpg

esdee
05-19-2005, 05:43 AM
Trfc @ 12, better everest latency and faster time in SuperPI. The idle timer was also changed, from 8clks to 256 clks.

Thanks esdee, now to change trtw to 1,...a little heads up would have been nice while i was in bios, esdee. lol :D


:toast: keep up idle cycle @ 256 is useless btw try 16

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 05:44 AM
its worth tryin trtw = 1 too, gives more b/w too

thanks :toast:

trtw = 1 is a no fly zone for me :p: i couldn't get into windows with that set

esdee
05-19-2005, 06:01 AM
trtw = 1 is a no fly zone for me :p: i couldn't get into windows with that set


it's propably the IMC, ive seen this several times,

let me guess, the unbuff under memtest was >3300MB/s?

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 09:21 AM
Yeah, when trfc = 1 I get >3300 unbuffered in memtest. I couldn't boot into windows with that set even with my VX.

Here's 260 1.5-2-2-5 @ 3.45v not much difference from 2-2-2-5, Trrd has been changed to 1.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill_1GB_GH_260Mhz_1.5-2-2-5.jpg

esdee
05-19-2005, 09:28 AM
nice!

i think they are tweaked down as much as they can get (stupid IMCs)

now go bench :D

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 09:47 AM
Jus tried some mushkin xp4000 redlines at the same speed and the sucked. they were only memtest stable at 2-2-2-5, with the rest of the settings left similar to the GH, and they were only stable at that speed with trfc at 3 (and you can guess how ugly the unbuffered bandwidth looked).

I'll continue tweaking the GH, its still got a lot of life in it.

I haven't tested FSB at 3.5-3.6v. Hopefully those voltages will allow for 265Mhz+.

But i'll work on that 2moro :D

esdee
05-19-2005, 10:16 AM
Jus tried some mushkin xp4000 redlines at the same speed and the sucked.


remember that Mushkin Redline use UTT Ch5, thus trfc MUST be set to >14

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 03:34 PM
remember that Mushkin Redline use UTT Ch5, thus trfc MUST be set to >14

i tried it at 15 and nothing, i'll give it another shot this weekend, the GH is keeping me entertained.

250Mhz 1.5-2-2-0, trrd set to 0 as well. I still can't get trtw = 1 and boot into windows.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill_250Mhz_1.5-2-2-0.jpg

charlie
05-19-2005, 03:36 PM
Nice... that's my experience as well. These GH are holding tighter timings, VERY tight timings in fact.... considerably tighter than other UTT out there!

C

Agent-JCDenton
05-19-2005, 03:59 PM
Thanks Charlie,

The GH is certainly performing well even at "low" voltages, jus tested 1.5-2-2-0 at 3.2v and that was stable too. a quick question, does read preamble and idle cycle limit have a huge effect on the overall bandwidth? i'm only getting 7.2K in sandra at the moment...trying to bump that up.

BobyTT
05-19-2005, 04:08 PM
Is this RAM gonna be AMD oriented as Mushkin REDLINE? becouse i saw only test with AMD?

goatman
05-19-2005, 04:42 PM
as far as I know there is only one type available (1Gig)



Manufactures can test their Winbond UTT and rate any speed and timing.
Good ones (DDR400Mhz 2-2-2-5@2.5~2.6v) are named BH-5 and bad (won't do 2-2-2-5) are named as CH-5 or just UTT.
I thought CH-5 has less pins.

charlie
05-19-2005, 11:18 PM
Hmmm... BRUTAL mem b/w for 9x multi and "only" 271mHz!!!

These G.Skill GH hold their timings REALLY tight!!! Nice stuff.

3.7Vdimm
DFI nF4 Ultra-D
BIOS 0510-2
Yellow Slots

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30803

Agent-JCDenton
05-20-2005, 11:18 PM
Nice clocks charlie.

Jus testing the mushkin redlines and i reckon i almost have them stable at 270Mhz...jus need a few more tweaks and i'll be happy. i've learnt a few more tricks to try on the G-Skill GH from using the mushkins. I've found a few more trefs that my winnie likes :D. will report back soon.

Agent-JCDenton
05-22-2005, 04:02 PM
For some strange reason, after testing my Mushkin's and sticking my GH back in i can't get 260Mhz stable even at the settings i'd used before :rolleyes:

But i was able to get 1.5-2-0-0 a try and was able to boot into windows at 200 x 11. those timings were good until 210Mhz (very unstable, but could post and run memtest). 1.5-2-0-0 seems to show 100MB of more bandwidth than at 1.5-2-2-2. Tried 1.5-1-0-0 and 1.5-1-1-1 but no post.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill_1.5-2-0-0.jpg

Now to try and get 260Mhz stable again....

NickS
05-22-2005, 04:25 PM
OMG this stuff OWNZ. amd shld never adopt to DDR2 cos it sucks.

Agent-JCDenton
05-22-2005, 04:36 PM
OMG this stuff OWNZ. amd shld never adopt to DDR2 cos it sucks.

If they have to i wonder if they'll offer CPUs in two flavours, DDR & DDR2, coz i still can't see any reason to go for DDR2 at the moment. I think they should skip the entire generation and go DDR3.

Onepagebook
05-22-2005, 04:57 PM
I hate you guys get the better GH tan mine. :slapass:

deception``
05-22-2005, 05:55 PM
Are all of these sticks guarunteed to run 250 @ 3.3 volts? I was trying to decide between these and some OCZ Bh-5, as I need some low latency goodness and am looking to do it with as little voltage as possible. Also, if I can hit 250 @ 3.3 then do I still need active cooling? Thanks.

deception``

Onepagebook
05-23-2005, 04:03 PM
Are all of these sticks guarunteed to run 250 @ 3.3 volts? I was trying to decide between these and some OCZ Bh-5, as I need some low latency goodness and am looking to do it with as little voltage as possible. Also, if I can hit 250 @ 3.3 then do I still need active cooling? Thanks.

deception``


most likely yes, they will do very tight timing on 250 3.3v :)

jcniest5
05-23-2005, 04:23 PM
I have a dilema. I got a DC kit from another user and I can't seem to run mine at all. I've tried all kinds of vdimm voltage and even at stock 200 and everything at default. I tried tweaking up to 250 at looser timing 2.5-4-3-7 and still not able to get anything going. I've tried the 4V option and raised the vdimm all the way to 3.6V. Here's what I've tried so far. BIOS: 310, 414-3, 510-2 and Hellfire's mod 510-2. Voltage: 2.6V all the way thru 3.6V. Timing: 2-2-2-5 to 2.5-4-3-7. Got BSODs, PC keeps rebooting as soon as it start Windows. Memtest show a lot of errors.

What BIOS are you guys using? What board rev. are you using? Mine is: R.AB0. Could it be my board? Not having any luck whatsoever. Help!

Agent-JCDenton
05-24-2005, 01:23 AM
I have a dilema. I got a DC kit from another user and I can't seem to run mine at all. I've tried all kinds of vdimm voltage and even at stock 200 and everything at default. I tried tweaking up to 250 at looser timing 2.5-4-3-7 and still not able to get anything going. I've tried the 4V option and raised the vdimm all the way to 3.6V. Here's what I've tried so far. BIOS: 310, 414-3, 510-2 and Hellfire's mod 510-2. Voltage: 2.6V all the way thru 3.6V. Timing: 2-2-2-5 to 2.5-4-3-7. Got BSODs, PC keeps rebooting as soon as it start Windows. Memtest show a lot of errors.

What BIOS are you guys using? What board rev. are you using? Mine is: R.AB0. Could it be my board? Not having any luck whatsoever. Help!

Check your Dram Drive strength, Dram Data Drive Strength and Tref. For me, those are the big three. I can't pass test 2,3 & 5 when I use a "bad" tref, regardless of how much voltage. I've also noticed that when using the wrong tref, increasing the voltage on these sticks gives me more errors.

With Dram Drive strength set to 5,6 & 7 I'm stable at 250 with 3.2v and i can set Data Drive Strength to 1,2 or 3. At 260 Mhz 3.5v only Drive Strength 5 with Data Drive Strength set to 2 or 3 will work. Dram Drive Strength set to 6 & 7 would also work but I need more voltage (3.6v) at that the same FSB to be stable.

Tref. I've played with all sorts of settings here and i've found one of the best ways to find your ideal settings for Tref and Drive Strength is find timings that give you just a few errors (around 10-20) at whatever frequency in test 5. Yes thats right, for once in you should be happy to see errors in memtest :D .
Now start playing with Dram Drive strength, Data Drive Strength and Tref - one at a time. I'd start with Dram Drive strength then Data Drive Strength and finally Tref. If you finally find a good combination of Data Drive Strength and Dram Drive Strength and you're able to get rid of the errors in memtest 5 with those settings, note them down (you might end up with several good combinations) and then change back to settings that would give you 10-20 errors again.
Now try and find the most stable tref, you might find several once again, note all of them down.

Once you can pass without errors increase the frequency again and work with only the trefs and Drive Strength combinations you found. You'll be able to narrow everything down to just a few settings.

My working settings:

Tref = 2560, 3120 and 3684
Dram Drive strength = 5 & 6 Depending on FSB, 5 is the most stable at higher FSB
Data Drive Strength = 2 & 3 at 255+ FSB with Dram Drive strength @ 5

With the GH i'm able to throw very tight timings at them and they'll be pretty happy, if i get Tref or Drive Strengths wrong I ran into all sorts of problems and no amount of voltage seems to help then.

Hope this helps.

Here's a screenie of 1.5-2-2-0 @ 260Mhz with AGGRESSIVE timings, I shed off 2 secs in SuperPi and everest read jumped from 7100 to 7400 from my previous 260Mhz settings. Now, if only i could get my winchester stable at 260 x 11 i'd b well happy :D i've topped out at @ 2750mhz (250 x 11) prime stable

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/G-Skill-260Mhz-1.5-2-2-0-3120-tref.jpg

GazC
05-24-2005, 02:52 AM
^ an excellent post!

Pseudic
05-24-2005, 11:10 AM
What do you think is the max voltage you can run the G.Skill 3200 GBGH at without using active cooling on the RAM and mosfets?

jcniest5
05-24-2005, 03:15 PM
Agent, you somehow describe what I'm experiencing. I also noticed that increase voltage to the memory have more errors. So, I think my culprit may be what you are describing.

You didn't mention the BIOS you are using. Could you please tell me which one you are using? I'm back to 217, which is the only one that I can get a stable system at up to 220. One I up it 230 and up, Memtest for Windows starts to toss errors at me. I'm going to play with the settings you said and see if I can OC my system higher.

Also, no matter which BIOS I use, Memtest (built-in the BIOS) seems to give me the same address 0002a425ba0. Could this be a sign of a bad/defected memory? If I use only one stick, that particular error doesn't show up. But as soon as I put two in Dual channel, the error starts showing up again, even when doing it at stock (200 - no OCing at all).

Thanks for your help. You at least gave me a lead to start I've never had this hard time doing OCing. I'm basically pulling my hair now. Hope I'm not going bald soon.

Agent-JCDenton
05-25-2005, 12:43 AM
Hello jcniest5,

If you are getting errors at the same address i'd try OCing one stick at a time and compare how high they go. I've got a "bad" stick, its the only one that gives me errors at 265+ in memtest test 5. However the most critical FSB to test is 200Mhz at 2-2-2-5, if that can't pass without errors speak to OPB, he's started a G-Skill Support forum here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55229)

But i'd try and identify if its one of the sticks thats holding you back.

I've updated my sig, i'm using 510-2, and using the yellow slots. I haven't had any bad things to say about the 510 bios, it seems to work best for me.

jcniest5
05-25-2005, 01:21 AM
I found out that if I use only one stick, I can OC up to 260@2-2-2-5, but the PC is not stable as SuperPI crapped out on me. I haven't tried the other stick and now I can't remember which one I tried by itself. One more finding is if I use both sticks, Memtest starts giving me errors (address) 0002a225ba0. It's always this same address every time. If I test only one stick, the error doesn't show up. I'll have to try the other stick now, too, and see if I can duplicate a no error test (with one stick only).

I've PMed OPB and we are in the process of info gathering.

Agent-JCDenton
05-25-2005, 03:23 AM
What Vcore were you using at 260, 2-2-2-5? What multiplier were you using? Did you get any errors with that stick in memtest at the same FSB?

Try this, using the same stick you were able to run 260Mhz 2-2-2-5 at, run atleast 30 passes of memtest test 5. Set the multi to 260 x 9 = 2340Mhz at default 1.4v - 1.45v vCore Add the second stick at without changing the timings. See if you get errors and try noting the addresses if they appear to be similar.

If you get a lot of errors reduce the FSB to 230Mhz, which is just above your stable FSB with two sticks i believe, set the multi to 230 x 10 = 2300Mhz at default 1.4v - 1.45v vCore. Run memtest test 5 again to check for the errors with the "good" stick. Add the second stick again if you don't get any errors and run test 5 again.

The aim of this is to check and see if its just one of the sticks causing this or a mem controller issue (more to do with bios settings).

If adding the second stick gives you errors at the same address, swap the slots, and if you still get errors at the same address then its most likely to be more related to the CPU as there won't be any good or bad stick. If you are able to clearly identify the stick which runs well then its all due to the other stick holding you back

Hope that helps eliminate a few things

B5I8
05-25-2005, 04:33 PM
Check your Dram Drive strength, Dram Data Drive Strength and Tref. For me, those are the big three. I can't pass test 2,3 & 5 when I use a "bad" tref, regardless of how much voltage. I've also noticed that when using the wrong tref, increasing the voltage on these sticks gives me more errors.

With Dram Drive strength set to 5,6 & 7 I'm stable at 250 with 3.2v and i can set Data Drive Strength to 1,2 or 3. At 260 Mhz 3.5v only Drive Strength 5 with Data Drive Strength set to 2 or 3 will work. Dram Drive Strength set to 6 & 7 would also work but I need more voltage (3.6v) at that the same FSB to be stable.

I just have to give a big thanks for that info. Using Dram Drive strength set to 5 and Data Drive Strength to 2, I'm now 24/7 prime stable at 250x11 with my current setup. I just couldn't get it 100% stable above 240fsb. Using your suggested setting, I'm now a happy overclocker :woot:.

jcniest5
05-25-2005, 09:26 PM
I'm having just a slightly better luck. Am now up to 246 semi (95%) stable. The reason for saying that is because now I can run SuperPI 32MB with no error. Memtest with no errors. But when I run a Demo of 3DMark2001SE, PC crashed in the middle of it. Still playing with more TREF and other timings.

What I really don't understand why I can't relax the timing at all. Anytime I relax the timing to something like 2.5-4-3-7, my PC would repeatedly reboots (before starting Windows). I want to go all the way to 260 and relax the timing a little to get the higher Ghz out of my Sandy 3700. But no, I can't!

For me, TREF is the key. I tried many of them, 2560, 3120, 3684 and many others , but none were not stable so far. I research around for any TREF threads and I got some hints to use 4672 (not stable) and I came down to 1168, which is where I'm at now.

Got my RMA setup with G.Skill (OPB). Not sure if I should continue playing around some more or send it back so OPB can send me two sticks that work better. Any opinions will greatly be appreciated (about the RMA or not to).

Thanks in advance...

Agent-JCDenton
05-26-2005, 12:22 AM
I just have to give a big thanks for that info. Using Dram Drive strength set to 5 and Data Drive Strength to 2, I'm now 24/7 prime stable at 250x11 with my current setup. I just couldn't get it 100% stable above 240fsb. Using your suggested setting, I'm now a happy overclocker :woot:.

;) Good to see you're whipped those stickes into shape. 250Mhz x 11 is my fastest setup too. Now squeeze everything out of them at that 250Mhz.

Try:

TrTw = 1 - Gives a nice boost in bandwidth
Max Async Latency = 6ns - This can shed off 1 or 2 seconds in Everest Latency times.
Trc = 7 & TrFc = 15 anything lower might not please your Mushkins (CH5)

jcniest5,

I was able to kind of recreate what you were expirencing there. I reduced the vDimm at 250Mhz and tried using a tref which i've notice a lot of people using, 3120, and I started getting lots of errors in memtest 2 & 3 - But only at addresses 00022977a04 -> 553.4MB & 000244291a8 -> 580.5MB. The cure was pretty simple, setting Tref = Auto got rid of all the errors in tests 2 & 3 straight away - increasing vDimm or running 2-3-2-5 didn't work. I checked the tref in memtest and it had defaulted to 7.8uS. Which means it could have been one of these settings:

0908= 100mhz(7.8us)
1032= 133mhz(7.8us)
1168= 166mhz(7.8us)
0016= 200mhz(7.8us)

Test 5 was still giving around 10-12 errors with Tref set at auto, increasing vDimm by .07 from 3.2 to 3.27 fixed that. Drive strengths were kept at 5 for DRAM Drive Strength & 2 for DRAM Data Drive Strength.

What vCore are you using for 240Mhz+ FSB? I'm assuming you're using x10 Multi.

About the RMA, I'd try the settings above and see if they are atleast able to reduce errors at 250Mhz+. But i'd let OPB give more advice on whether RMA would be the better route to take. If you decide to stay with the sticks i'll try and see what other settings I can use to recreate your errors and come up with a few more solutions.

Hope that helps.

charlie
05-26-2005, 07:33 AM
;) Good to see you're whipped those stickes into shape. 250Mhz x 11 is my fastest setup too. Now squeeze everything out of them at that 250Mhz.

Try:

TrTw = 1 - Gives a nice boost in bandwidth
Max Async Latency = 6ns - This can shed off 1 or 2 seconds in Everest Latency times.
Trc = 7 & TrFc = 15 anything lower might not please your Mushkins (CH5)

jcniest5,

I was able to kind of recreate what you were expirencing there. I reduced the vDimm at 250Mhz and tried using a tref which i've notice a lot of people using, 3120, and I started getting lots of errors in memtest 2 & 3 - But only at addresses 00022977a04 -> 553.4MB & 000244291a8 -> 580.5MB. The cure was pretty simple, setting Tref = Auto got rid of all the errors in tests 2 & 3 straight away - increasing vDimm or running 2-3-2-5 didn't work. I checked the tref in memtest and it had defaulted to 7.8uS. Which means it could have been one of these settings:

0908= 100mhz(7.8us)
1032= 133mhz(7.8us)
1168= 166mhz(7.8us)
0016= 200mhz(7.8us)

Test 5 was still giving around 10-12 errors with Tref set at auto, increasing vDimm by .07 from 3.2 to 3.27 fixed that. Drive strengths were kept at 5 for DRAM Drive Strength & 2 for DRAM Data Drive Strength.

What vCore are you using for 240Mhz+ FSB? I'm assuming you're using x10 Multi.

About the RMA, I'd try the settings above and see if they are atleast able to reduce errors at 250Mhz+. But i'd let OPB give more advice on whether RMA would be the better route to take. If you decide to stay with the sticks i'll try and see what other settings I can use to recreate your errors and come up with a few more solutions.

Hope that helps.

great tips... I managed to get my GBGH sticks up to 269.

Agent-JCDenton
05-26-2005, 09:52 AM
great tips... I managed to get my GBGH sticks up to 269.

Thanks c. I've been able to get to 265Mhz but i need 3.75v, a bit too much vDimm for me. :D

TheMeatFrog
05-26-2005, 11:50 AM
I should be getting my GH sticks sometime next week! But since I only have a 20pin power supply I can only use the 3.2v rail for now. How high are these things getting on 3.2v? I need 255-260 so how much vdimm should I be looking at?

Agent-JCDenton
05-26-2005, 12:22 PM
I should be getting my GH sticks sometime next week! But since I only have a 20pin power supply I can only use the 3.2v rail for now. How high are these things getting on 3.2v? I need 255-260 so how much vdimm should I be looking at?

I've been able to get 250Mhz @ 3.2v 1.5-2-2-5, and 255Mhz @ 3.3v 1.5-2-2-5. Those extra 4 power supply pins would really come in handy here for your BH5 :) .

But you can also try this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61632) to get 3.3v on your board. Its said to work with any PSU ;)

Rhymers
05-26-2005, 01:32 PM
Do you have any idea how this memory performs on Nforce2 board (Leadtek K7ncr18d proII DL or NF7s2 in particular), especially the 2-2-2-5 Timings at a low voltage, up to 2.8v with a FSB at 200 or a little more? :stick:
I just went to the G.Skill homepage forum and there were people having big trouble with running that memory on a NF7s2!

TheMeatFrog
05-26-2005, 04:05 PM
I've been able to get 250Mhz @ 3.2v 1.5-2-2-5, and 255Mhz @ 3.3v 1.5-2-2-5. Those extra 4 power supply pins would really come in handy here for your BH5 :) .

But you can also try this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61632) to get 3.3v on your board. Its said to work with any PSU ;)
I will probably just break down and get a Powerstream 520 from the egg :slapass: That should do the trick right?

charlie
05-26-2005, 04:34 PM
that'll work well... OCZ PSU's are some of the best!

C

TheMeatFrog
05-26-2005, 06:45 PM
Would just a 20 to 24pin adapter do for my Antec PSU? Because looking at the OCZ it's just a 20pin with an adapter...

Onepagebook
05-26-2005, 07:26 PM
;) Good to see you're whipped those stickes into shape. 250Mhz x 11 is my fastest setup too. Now squeeze everything out of them at that 250Mhz.

Try:

TrTw = 1 - Gives a nice boost in bandwidth
Max Async Latency = 6ns - This can shed off 1 or 2 seconds in Everest Latency times.
Trc = 7 & TrFc = 15 anything lower might not please your Mushkins (CH5)

jcniest5,

I was able to kind of recreate what you were expirencing there. I reduced the vDimm at 250Mhz and tried using a tref which i've notice a lot of people using, 3120, and I started getting lots of errors in memtest 2 & 3 - But only at addresses 00022977a04 -> 553.4MB & 000244291a8 -> 580.5MB. The cure was pretty simple, setting Tref = Auto got rid of all the errors in tests 2 & 3 straight away - increasing vDimm or running 2-3-2-5 didn't work. I checked the tref in memtest and it had defaulted to 7.8uS. Which means it could have been one of these settings:

0908= 100mhz(7.8us)
1032= 133mhz(7.8us)
1168= 166mhz(7.8us)
0016= 200mhz(7.8us)

Test 5 was still giving around 10-12 errors with Tref set at auto, increasing vDimm by .07 from 3.2 to 3.27 fixed that. Drive strengths were kept at 5 for DRAM Drive Strength & 2 for DRAM Data Drive Strength.

What vCore are you using for 240Mhz+ FSB? I'm assuming you're using x10 Multi.

About the RMA, I'd try the settings above and see if they are atleast able to reduce errors at 250Mhz+. But i'd let OPB give more advice on whether RMA would be the better route to take. If you decide to stay with the sticks i'll try and see what other settings I can use to recreate your errors and come up with a few more solutions.

Hope that helps.

Hey buddy, great info..I think someone 's gonna doubt you're one of Gskill..lol

Agent-JCDenton
05-27-2005, 03:17 AM
Hey buddy, great info..I think someone 's gonna doubt you're one of Gskill..lol

Ok, you got me Kev, my previous job applications were unsuccessful - thought i may as well try a different approach, lol :p:

I think i've given these sticks just about all the settings I can think of and they are holding up really well. My first pair of G-Skill and a damn good experience so far!


Do you have any idea how this memory performs on Nforce2 board (Leadtek K7ncr18d proII DL or NF7s2 in particular), especially the 2-2-2-5 Timings at a low voltage, up to 2.8v with a FSB at 200 or a little more?
I just went to the G.Skill homepage forum and there were people having big trouble with running that memory on a NF7s2!

I haven't tried them on any NF2 board, tho i can't see why they'd not work as they are rated at 2.7v - 2.9v @ 200MHz

TheMeatFrog
06-01-2005, 03:01 PM
I got these babies yesterday and the first impression was good. 230MHz a 3v tight timings right out of the box.

I seem to be having a problem with the dividers :( Until I get my new PSU I can't run the 5v rail so I limited to about 3v since anything above my rails aren't solid on this PSU. I can boot into windows just fine with the 180 divider at say something like 10x250 that's puts my ram at just under 230MHz. This will be ideal once I get my new PSU and can give these things the juice the need for 255-260MHz. So when I put the 166 divider as soon as windows loads BSOD/reboot. Guess these are the divider problems I've been hearing about but never encountered since I was running high end TCCD before this. :(

Also what should I change here...
http://img223.echo.cx/img223/5919/ram1dr.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Agent-JCDenton
06-01-2005, 05:18 PM
You can also try this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61632) to get 3.3v on your board. Its said to work with any PSU ;). 3.2-3.3v should be good for 250 which i was able to reach with these settings (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=870682#post870682)

Btw, nice wallpaper, where did you get that?

TheMeatFrog
06-01-2005, 05:24 PM
Thanks for the reply! I got the wallpaper from http://www.parkoz.com/zboard/skin/parkoz_wallpaper.php lots of really cool high resolution wallpapers :)

Edit: Also what drive and data strength were you using with those settings?

jcniest5
06-01-2005, 05:52 PM
;) Good to see you're whipped those stickes into shape. 250Mhz x 11 is my fastest setup too. Now squeeze everything out of them at that 250Mhz.

Try:

TrTw = 1 - Gives a nice boost in bandwidth
Max Async Latency = 6ns - This can shed off 1 or 2 seconds in Everest Latency times.
Trc = 7 & TrFc = 15 anything lower might not please your Mushkins (CH5)

jcniest5,

I was able to kind of recreate what you were expirencing there. I reduced the vDimm at 250Mhz and tried using a tref which i've notice a lot of people using, 3120, and I started getting lots of errors in memtest 2 & 3 - But only at addresses 00022977a04 -> 553.4MB & 000244291a8 -> 580.5MB. The cure was pretty simple, setting Tref = Auto got rid of all the errors in tests 2 & 3 straight away - increasing vDimm or running 2-3-2-5 didn't work. I checked the tref in memtest and it had defaulted to 7.8uS. Which means it could have been one of these settings:

0908= 100mhz(7.8us)
1032= 133mhz(7.8us)
1168= 166mhz(7.8us)
0016= 200mhz(7.8us)

Test 5 was still giving around 10-12 errors with Tref set at auto, increasing vDimm by .07 from 3.2 to 3.27 fixed that. Drive strengths were kept at 5 for DRAM Drive Strength & 2 for DRAM Data Drive Strength.

What vCore are you using for 240Mhz+ FSB? I'm assuming you're using x10 Multi.

About the RMA, I'd try the settings above and see if they are atleast able to reduce errors at 250Mhz+. But i'd let OPB give more advice on whether RMA would be the better route to take. If you decide to stay with the sticks i'll try and see what other settings I can use to recreate your errors and come up with a few more solutions.

Hope that helps.

My RMA went through and OPB is sending me two new sticks (so he said). I will definitely play with what you recommended (did) and see how the new sticks will do. I haven't receive them just yet.

How do you raise the voltage from 3.2V to 3.27V? There isn't really a .7V increase, is there? All I see is something about .2V option (or is it .4V?), so basically a 3.2V becomes 3.22V (or 3.24V), whichever is the correct format as I have forgotten.

Also, regarding the 7.8us, all the memory modules I have, Everest is reporting that all of the are 7.8us, how reliable is this info anyway?

I'm waiting patiently for my RMA, which hopefully will be here on Thur or Fri.

OPB, can you confirm that (my RMA's ETA)?

TIA...

Playful_Buffalo
06-01-2005, 06:18 PM
last time i checked these were no longer on newegg :(


will they come back?

jcniest5
06-01-2005, 06:22 PM
last time i checked these were no longer on newegg :(


will they come back?

GH memory, you mean? Probably not as BH-5 UTT is being phased out as well. They already starting making the CH-5, and Samsung TCC5, pretty soon UTT BH-5 and TCCD all will just be nothing but faded memory of the past.

TheMeatFrog
06-02-2005, 12:13 AM
So why does only the 180 divider work for me? Is this the case with everyone else or just me? I can rn 10x260 with a 180 divider just fine but when I try to use the anything below 180 I get a BSOD/reboot as soon as windows trys to start. What's upw with this?

Agent-JCDenton
06-02-2005, 04:58 AM
Also what should I change here...
http://img223.echo.cx/img223/5919/ram1dr.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

You can try:
Max Async Latency - 6.0ns
Read Preamble - 4.0ns
Idle Cycle Limit - 0 Clocks
Trfc - 13 or even 12
Trrd - 0

You might need to loosen Max Async Latency back to 7.0ns @ >250Mhz, the same thing might apply to Trfc (12 - 14) and Trrd (2 Clocks).

My other findings:
DRAM Drive Strength : DRAM DATA Strength
The 5 : 2 combination was the most stable
5 : 3 & 6 : 2 also worked but stable only to arround 255Mhz
View this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=877256#post877256) post for a few other tips on Drive Strength.


I got the wallpaper from http://www.parkoz.com/zboard/skin/parkoz_wallpaper.php lots of really cool high resolution wallpapers :)
That link has some great wallpaper :cool: thanks!


So why does only the 180 divider work for me? Is this the case with everyone else or just me? I can rn 10x260 with a 180 divider just fine but when I try to use the anything below 180 I get a BSOD/reboot as soon as windows trys to start. What's upw with this?
Several people are experiencing the same thing with dividers on DFI nF4 boards hence i tend not to work with dividers myself, but there's a thread on here somewhere about it.


How do you raise the voltage from 3.2V to 3.27V? There isn't really a .7V increase, is there? All I see is something about .2V option (or is it .4V?), so basically a 3.2V becomes 3.22V (or 3.24V), whichever is the correct format as I have forgotten.

My board seems to overvolt when it comes to vDimm, e.g. 3.27 vDimm setting in bios is actually 3.2 with +0.3 enabled and JP17 set to use the 5V rail. 3.2 was achieved by setting the JP17 set back to normal (3.3v Rail). I've modded my PowerStream to give 3.37V on the 3.3V rail tho so i shouldn't be complaining.


Also, regarding the 7.8us, all the memory modules I have, Everest is reporting that all of the are 7.8us, how reliable is this info anyway?
I've never used everest to check tref, i've always done it either in memtest or by using A64 Tweaker.

doctorg
06-02-2005, 10:47 AM
what is the highest FSB without void the warranty? :) (so 3.1V i think)
latency: 2.5-4-3-8 or something else? but 2.5..

Thank you!

Agent-JCDenton
06-02-2005, 11:28 AM
Hmmmm....now that's a good question....no idea how high these modules will go. I guess that just leaves one thing - i'll be testing that 2moro to find out :)

mad mikee
06-03-2005, 08:13 AM
Usually vdimm will be overvolted .5 - 7 volts for a given setting, so for example 3.1 = 3.17 real (go search for the dfi volt readout points so you can measure yours w/ dmm and know what it is for sure).
The new biosi allow the '+.3vdimm below 3.2' option below vdimm selection.
So if you're set @ 3.1 and enable the +.3, you usually end up w/ about 3.2 Vdimm. Turning that off and going to 3.2 will get the 3.27 probably.

I've been upping mine slowly (I limit myself to 3.3 Vdimm on general principle :D ) but I am up to 247 or 248 x 1.49vcore 3.2vdimm(?)(I fergit :hrhr: ).

Next time I reboot (over teh weekend) I will post my current settings here. (These gotta run OCCT w/ 900+ meg selected to test for 12+ hrs b4 I move on).

I got some wicked memtest results w/ TCCD and a venice on another machine so I GOTTA try on here and see if I can do it again!

Jack
06-03-2005, 09:15 AM
Usually vdimm will be overvolted .5 - 7 volts for a given setting, so for example 3.1 = 3.17 real (go search for the dfi volt readout points so you can measure yours w/ dmm and know what it is for sure).
The new biosi allow the '+.3vdimm below 3.2' option below vdimm selection.
So if you're set @ 3.1 and enable the +.3, you usually end up w/ about 3.2 Vdimm. Turning that off and going to 3.2 will get the 3.27 probably.

I've been upping mine slowly (I limit myself to 3.3 Vdimm on general principle :D ) but I am up to 247 or 248 x 1.49vcore 3.2vdimm(?)(I fergit :hrhr: ).

Next time I reboot (over teh weekend) I will post my current settings here. (These gotta run OCCT w/ 900+ meg selected to test for 12+ hrs b4 I move on).

I got some wicked memtest results w/ TCCD and a venice on another machine so I GOTTA try on here and see if I can do it again!
The most right pin in the dimm slot is the Vdimm.
I plugged one wire of the multimeter in a molex and the other one in the dimm slot.
With bios 510-2 and the +.3 option on, Vdimm overvolts 0.9V.

Agent-JCDenton
06-03-2005, 05:52 PM
what is the highest FSB without void the warranty? :) (so 3.1V i think)
latency: 2.5-4-3-8 or something else? but 2.5..

Thank you!

I just managed to get the GH to 280Mhz @ 2.5-4-4-8 with 3.45v, I'm sure others can get them to go higher. Thats almost the same timings as my OCZ Plat Rev. 2s. I'll try see how far i can get with 3.1v. Will post a pic shortly.

jcniest5
06-05-2005, 04:30 PM
I just managed to get the GH to 280Mhz @ 2.5-4-4-8 with 3.45v, I'm sure others can get them to go higher. Thats almost the same timings as my OCZ Plat Rev. 2s. I'll try see how far i can get with 3.1v. Will post a pic shortly.


Agent, can you provide some screenshots of your setting and let me duplicate it/them to see if I can OC my GH memory as well? I got my RMA back from OPB, but still not able to OC it to anywhere near what it can do according to many users' success story.

I would like a screenshots of your A64Tweaker, SmartGuardian and any others that you think will help me.

Thanks...

Agent-JCDenton
06-06-2005, 07:00 AM
Agent, can you provide some screenshots of your setting and let me duplicate it/them to see if I can OC my GH memory as well? I got my RMA back from OPB, but still not able to OC it to anywhere near what it can do according to many users' success story.

I would like a screenshots of your A64Tweaker, SmartGuardian and any others that you think will help me.

Thanks...

Try these: 255 @ 3.3v using the vDimm mod (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61632) and relaxed timings.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmuddin.patanwala/TheArk/255_1.5-2-2-5_Relaxed_timings.jpg

I'm trying really hard to get 280 stable at 3.5v i'll post pics if i get good results. so far i'm only memtest stable, superPi & prime fail at the moment.

gulp35
06-06-2005, 09:04 AM
How much of a difference is there between Cas2 and CAS 1.5?

ben805
06-06-2005, 09:18 AM
How much of a difference is there between Cas2 and CAS 1.5?


Zero for me, I've ran pcmark04, everest, superpi, sandra, aquamark, 3dmarks and didn't gain squat to go from 2 to 1.5, I'd also compare 1.5-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-6 on my Redline and didn't see any difference either!

Agent-JCDenton
06-06-2005, 10:08 AM
Zero for me, I've ran pcmark04, everest, superpi, sandra, aquamark, 3dmarks and didn't gain squat to go from 2 to 1.5, I'd also compare 1.5-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-6 on my Redline and didn't see any difference either!

I agree, there's hardly much difference between them, even when it comes to stability.

Onepagebook
06-06-2005, 05:37 PM
Agent, you are doing the very good job, I gotta try that vmod.

3.4g pi 1m
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/0516wpmwfx55bn/fx55bn34gpi1m.jpg

3384mhz, 1.58v same setting pi8m..
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/0516wpmwfx55bn/fx55bn3384pi8m.jpg

wanna see 32m?no prob!!

http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/0516wpmwfx55bn/fx55bn3384pi32m.jpg

gulp35
06-07-2005, 12:23 AM
So 1.5 CAS is just so you can say stuff like : OMG!!!11!! L00K @ m3 i beat teh 1337 CAS2 : if you like *I would*

Agent-JCDenton
06-07-2005, 10:10 AM
Nice clocks opb! When are u gonna get the cascade up and running? 4Ghz doesn't look impossible with that chip :cool:

The vDimm mod is one way of avoiding the 5v rail and damaging memory as some have experienced. 255Mhz @ 3.3v is handy for those with X11 multi to test thier CPUs at 2.8ghz 1:1 and still keep the memory in the "safe" zone in terms of voltage.


So 1.5 CAS is just so you can say stuff like : OMG!!!11!! L00K @ m3 i beat teh 1337 CAS2 : if you like *I would*

Errr...yeah :)

Dumo
06-11-2005, 02:18 AM
Heres...
http://img74.echo.cx/img74/3025/screenshot0586fj.jpg
http://img74.echo.cx/img74/1873/screenshot0597vg.jpg

Dumo
06-11-2005, 02:28 AM
270 out of the box... :toast:

SIOUX
06-11-2005, 02:39 AM
Nice there Dumo. How much V for the 270 ????:)

Dumo
06-11-2005, 02:55 AM
Nice there Dumo. How much V for the 270 ????:)3.6V...
Heres 4x512 @ 270/2T and 3.6V with GH and Redline combo...
http://img152.echo.cx/img152/2092/screenshot0602sr.jpg

187(V)URD@
06-11-2005, 03:10 AM
nice dumo :toast:

Agent-JCDenton
06-11-2005, 07:34 AM
Nice clocks Dumo!

I'll be getting my Redlines back soon (RMA - Burnt on the 5V rail) and i'll try see if i can get anywhere close.


Zero for me, I've ran pcmark04, everest, superpi, sandra, aquamark, 3dmarks and didn't gain squat to go from 2 to 1.5, I'd also compare 1.5-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-6 on my Redline and didn't see any difference either!

I came across Geil's upcoming Ultra-X memory on Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2443&p=4) today - Rated at DDR400 1.5-2-2-5

"The new DFI nForce4 boards support CAS 1.5 as a BIOS choice, and possibly a few other high-end boards. CAS 1.5 sounds impressive, but AMD tells us that they do not support CAS 1.5 in their on-chip memory controller."

So CAS 1.5 is not of much use :slap: , not for the time being anyway on AMD, but I can't help wondering if/when they'll support it. I sure hope Geil know what they are doing tho. :)

ianocean
06-11-2005, 08:06 AM
I came across Geil's upcoming Ultra-X memory on Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2443&p=4) today - Rated at DDR400 1.5-2-2-5



Got these babies in my orange memory slots ATM running them at 260 Mhz 1.5-2-2-5 3.3VDimm.BTW the memory is 2Mhz faster at CAS 1.5(272Mhz maxed stable 3.6v) than CAS 2.0(270 maxed).May be is CAS 1.5 optimized :stick:
http://img235.echo.cx/img235/9674/geil158nl.jpg

TEDY
06-11-2005, 08:27 AM
really not fair ...when this GEIL is gonna be available ?

Agent-JCDenton
06-11-2005, 08:37 AM
Got these babies in my orange memory slots ATM running them at 260 Mhz 1.5-2-2-5 3.3VDimm.BTW the memory is 2Mhz faster at CAS 1.5(272Mhz maxed stable 3.6v) than CAS 2.0(270 maxed).May be is CAS 1.5 optimized :stick:

260Mhz 1.5-2-2-5 @ 3.3v is impressive :toast: . I wanna see how the 2x512Mb modules will perform. How about benchmarks results between CAS 1.5 and 2 at 260?

ianocean
06-11-2005, 08:59 AM
Running SuperPi 1M CAS 1.5 and 2.0 -exactly same condition and processes
running
1.5

http://img254.echo.cx/img254/2616/15pi8yl.th.jpg (http://img254.echo.cx/my.php?image=15pi8yl.jpg)
and 2.0

http://img254.echo.cx/img254/4360/20pi1uk.th.jpg (http://img254.echo.cx/my.php?image=20pi1uk.jpg)

1.5 is nanoseconds faster :stick:

Jack
06-11-2005, 10:04 AM
Nice results Dumo :toast:
i got 270MHz out of the box with my Redlines

But what bios are you using?
Which memory slots (yellow/orange)?
And what dram and data drive strength settings?

Thanks :)

charlie
06-11-2005, 10:13 AM
G.Skill BH-GH work well on Dothan, too!! The BH5-UTT will run on the i875/i865 chipset whereas the CH5-UTT will NOT.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32301

Agent-JCDenton
06-11-2005, 10:55 AM
G.Skill BH-GH work well on Dothan, too!! The BH5-UTT will run on the i875/i865 chipset whereas the CH5-UTT will NOT.


Another impressive result charlie :toast:
what cooling are you using on the Dothan?

charlie
06-11-2005, 12:09 PM
Another impressive result charlie :toast:
what cooling are you using on the Dothan?

That's a -65C chilly1 AUTOCASCADE.

Unfortunately the GBGH topped out at 255ish on the i875, so I had to run the 13x multi, giving only 238fsb.

:D

TheMeatFrog
06-11-2005, 05:49 PM
Wow you guys are having some grest results with these sticks! I was wondering are you guys having better luck with the yellow or orange slots and which bios 510-2 or the Hellfire 510-2?

Agent-JCDenton
06-12-2005, 04:52 AM
Wow you guys are having some grest results with these sticks! I was wondering are you guys having better luck with the yellow or orange slots and which bios 510-2 or the Hellfire 510-2?

I've only been using 510-2 and the yellow slots.

burningrave101
06-13-2005, 07:04 AM
How would you guys say these G. Skill UTT-BH sticks compare to the OCZ Gold UTT-BH sticks? Do they overclock about the same or is the OCZ more hit and miss? I dont plan on using any more then the 3.3V jumper on my DFI board so i'm trying to figure out which would clock the best with that amount of voltage.

Does the G. Skill warranty only cover up to 2.9V? How come they dont support the higher voltages in their warranty like OCZ does?

burningrave101
06-13-2005, 12:06 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=20-231-013&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE

The price just dropped on Newegg to $150.87. I just ordered a set.

Agent-JCDenton
06-13-2005, 02:02 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=20-231-013&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE

The price just dropped on Newegg to $150.87. I just ordered a set.

$150?! Lucky u. mine cost £140 approximately $252. Doh! :slapass:

I had a set of the OCZ gold before the GH. They only went to 251Mhz prime stable. Eva2000 has some good sticks which are hitting 268 with an SD. I have to say, $150 for 1GB GH is an awesome price! I don't know about the warranty on them in regards to anything over 2.9v. I've ran mine all the way to 3.7v but i'm currently using only 3.3v. i'm hoping i won't need that warrany :)

burningrave101
06-13-2005, 08:59 PM
Well, i'd really like to know what voltage their rated up to and how good G. Skills warranty support is in comparison to OCZ.

SAE
06-14-2005, 07:29 AM
$150?! Lucky u. mine cost £140 approximately $252. Doh! :slapass:


Ordered me a set of those GH as well... I am anxious to see how they perform like? :D

Mine cost me about 210euro though... Germany's shop trust sucks :(
Overpriced everywhere I found them. :slapass:

jcniest5
06-14-2005, 07:47 AM
Let us know how yours performs as I'm not having any luck whatsoever with my pair. Not even 240 at super relaxed timings (2.5-4-3-7!). I am so very mad, I think I'm gonna stomp them under my feet. Crap! :mad: :mad: :mad:

burningrave101
06-14-2005, 08:37 AM
You dont want to relax the timings like that on BH-5 memory. It will just perform like crap. Keep the timings around 2-2-2-5. How much voltage are you using? You may just need to burn them in or up the voltage more or get some cooling on them.

Agent-JCDenton
06-14-2005, 08:45 AM
You dont want to relax the timings like that on BH-5 memory. It will just perform like crap. Keep the timings around 2-2-2-5. How much voltage are you using? You may just need to burn them in or up the voltage more or get some cooling on them.

Yeah, i get all sorts of problems with CAS 2.5, especially with these sticks and relaxing a few other timings tends to give the same results. You want to use 2-2-2-x, find a good tref and optimal drive strength combinations - I'm assuming you're using a DFI nF4 board.

mad mikee
06-14-2005, 04:54 PM
Send them to me instead :D (I'd even pay shipping :hrhr: )



Let us know how yours performs as I'm not having any luck whatsoever with my pair. Not even 240 at super relaxed timings (2.5-4-3-7!). I am so very mad, I think I'm gonna stomp them under my feet. Crap! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Dumo
06-14-2005, 07:09 PM
No cold boot with this GH :toast: ...
Heres...
http://img195.echo.cx/img195/7760/fx55bn125jc.jpg
http://img195.echo.cx/img195/1835/fx55bn114ex.jpg

jcniest5
06-14-2005, 08:44 PM
Send them to me instead :D (I'd even pay shipping :hrhr: )

DON'T!!!!! You have PM - edited by bachus_anonym.

Dumo
06-14-2005, 08:51 PM
Let us know how yours performs as I'm not having any luck whatsoever with my pair. Not even 240 at super relaxed timings (2.5-4-3-7!). I am so very mad, I think I'm gonna stomp them under my feet. Crap! :mad: :mad: :mad:Try with 3.2V@240-2-2-2-5 and if you run with 5V pin mod on your dfi, make sure the psu can supply enough juice...

jcniest5
06-14-2005, 09:12 PM
Try with 3.2V@240-2-2-2-5 and if you run with 5V pin mod on your dfi, make sure the psu can supply enough juice...

I've been trying that combo for weeks, no luck. The conclusion was that maybe my particular board, a REV.AB0 doesn't like this memory for some unknown reason. I can OC my G.Skill value memory ZX better than this GH memory. AngryGames and RGone are not able to offer any useful hints. I wanted to RMA this board but they said I can't do that just because my board doesn't OC as well as I expected. I'm out of luck, but to sell my board. If anyone is interested in buying DFI board, go here and check out my For Sale thread: http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94170

burningrave101
06-15-2005, 05:08 AM
You should of bought your board from Newegg and then you could of RMA'd it without any problem if you were having issues with it.

jcniest5
06-15-2005, 07:37 AM
You should of bought your board from Newegg and then you could of RMA'd it without any problem if you were having issues with it.

Yes, I did buy it from Newegg (the DFI). I tried to RMA it, they said I have to go thru manufacturer on the mobo. It's stated clearly on the sub-description, too.

gulp35
06-15-2005, 09:21 PM
newwegg seems to have taken the F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH out of their catalog.... crap 150$ was a great deal...

jcniest5
06-15-2005, 09:51 PM
newwegg seems to have taken the F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH out of their catalog.... crap 150$ was a great deal...

Reference post - edited by bachus_anonym

burningrave101
06-16-2005, 12:36 PM
newwegg seems to have taken the F1-3200BWU2-1GBGH out of their catalog.... crap 150$ was a great deal...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Suggested&Description=20-231

Thats strange, i wonder why Newegg no longer has it listed? Do they not expect to get any more in stock?

SAE
06-16-2005, 04:58 PM
Actually the recent GH is already capable of doing pc 4000 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v :toast:


Mine ain't :(

Mine ain't even capable of 240 it seems... tried hundreds of different TREFs and driving strength settings...

And I should know how to set it up ;) Furthermore there's enough screenies around (in this thread for example).

I am not impressed I must admit... :nono:

burningrave101
06-16-2005, 05:58 PM
Its back in stock at Newegg for $150.87 now.

I got mine today and i'm currently testing them out at just 2.9V 220Mhz 2-2-2-5. I start getting Memtest errors at 225Mhz at that vDDR.

FLDQUY157
06-17-2005, 11:18 AM
Its back in stock at Newegg for $150.87 now.

I got mine today and i'm currently testing them out at just 2.9V 220Mhz 2-2-2-5. I start getting Memtest errors at 225Mhz at that vDDR.

Let's say @ 2.9V and you could do 220MHz error free in Test 5 that's real good already, not to mention 2.9 at 225 2-2-2-5.

BH-5 needs V to fly. My OCZ Value VX (BH-5) does 240 2-2-2-5 at 3.1-3.2 on DFI LP B.

0DIGy
06-17-2005, 03:42 PM
my Gskill GH:

260@3.6V 1.5-2-2-5 1T dual 2x512

burningrave101
06-17-2005, 08:07 PM
Price drop again at Newegg. Their down to $147 now.

What burn-in process are you guys using on these sticks? Do you just set a certain voltage and let Memtest test #5 run 6-8 hours at a time? Do you recommend using low or high voltages to burn-in? I dont plan on using more then the 3.3V jumper on my DFI Ultra-D.