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saaya
03-25-2005, 01:15 AM
first of all BIG thanks to s7e9h3n for making this preview possible!
thanks a lot for bringing those chips to XS and letting us freeze and torture them :D
and of course big thanks to our trusty member chunkylover77 for letting us play with his 3500+!
thx a lot guys!
:banana: :bday2: :toast: :bday2: :banana:





after last weeks results of a 3800+ venice from s7e9h3n here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56313)
pc ice now received the 3500+ venice from to s7e9h3n to play with it using his phase change skills :D
and it looks like the low temp bug is gone!!! :banana:
i will keep adding more results here step by step :D




EDIT: bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

now lets hope E4 changes that, so far i only heard that E4 had changes made in the temp probe , thats why it needs a bios update to work on almost all boards.
i really hope the low temp problems dont have to do with the manufacturing process! :(







phase change cooled system specs:

AMD 3500+ 2.2ghz dafault vcore 1.4v 90nm Rev E3 Venice core @-40°C
pc ice single stage phase change cooling
DFI NF4 ultra D bios 3/14
2x512mb G-SKILL PC4800FF @ddr660 2.5-3-3-6 1T
SAPPHIRE X850XTPE 688 / 644
OCZ POWERSTREAM 420w







here are the first results at stock speed (11x200):

................cpu-z............... ......sandra arythmetic....... ........sandra memory........ ...........3dmark 2001......... .........3dmark 2003.......... ..........3dmark 2005.........
http://img236.exs.cx/img236/8536/17jz.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=17jz.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/4587/28nf.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=28nf.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2586/33yi.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=33yi.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/5421/44sr.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=44sr.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2220/52yo.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=52yo.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/8451/67ji.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=67ji.gif)
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the bios undervolts, bump to 1.4v real gives 2850mhz:

.........sandra memory........ ........sandra memory........ ......sandra arythmetic....... ...........3dmark 2001......... ...........3dmark 2001.........
http://img53.exs.cx/img53/3742/72xn.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=72xn.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/4710/86bi.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=86bi.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/9889/97uv.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=97uv.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/8941/109wu.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=109wu.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/774/116ce.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=116ce.gif)
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2950mhz with still the same vcore (1.4v): :D

.........sandra memory........ ......sandra arythmetic....... ............superPI 1M.......... .............the cooling..........
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/5607/123mc.th.gif (http://img130.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img130&image=123mc.gif) http://img130.exs.cx/img130/5562/130ml.th.gif (http://img130.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img130&image=130ml.gif) http://img130.exs.cx/img130/4328/143qw.th.gif (http://img130.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img130&image=143qw.gif) http://img209.exs.cx/img209/7910/155yr.th.jpg (http://img209.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img209&image=155yr.jpg)
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3ghz and still default vcore (1.4v) : :D

........sandra memory........ ........sandra memory........ ...........3dmark 2001......... ............aquamark3.......... ............aquamark3..........
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/9135/165yt.th.gif (http://img76.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img76&image=165yt.gif) http://img76.exs.cx/img76/7181/176ul.th.gif (http://img76.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img76&image=176ul.gif) http://img169.exs.cx/img169/9251/186wz.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=186wz.gif) http://img169.exs.cx/img169/1811/196gc.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=196gc.gif) http://img169.exs.cx/img169/3509/209za.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=209za.gif)
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3100mhz and still default vcore!!! (1.4v) : :eek:

..............cpu-z.............. ..............cpu-z..............
http://img169.exs.cx/img169/6725/213ew.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=213ew.gif) http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8203/222cx.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=222cx.gif)

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320fsb seems to be no problem for this memory controller :

................cpu-z............... ........sandra memory........ ........sandra memory........
http://img77.exs.cx/img77/1729/233vt.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=233vt.gif) http://img77.exs.cx/img77/6921/244it.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=244it.gif) http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8589/252sm.th.gif (http://img208.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img208&image=252sm.gif)
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watercooled system specs:

AMD 3500+ 2.2ghz dafault vcore 1.4v 90nm Rev E3 Venice core
asetek waterchill
DFI NF4 ultra D bios 3/14
2x512mb G-SKILL PC4800FF @ddr660 2.5-3-3-6 1T
SAPPHIRE X850XTPE
OCZ POWERSTREAM 420w






stock 11x200 and 11x220 2420mhz :

...............cpu-z................ ...............cpu-z................ ........sandra memory........ ......sandra arythmetic....... .............waterblock........... ...........idle temps............
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4079/219vq.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=219vq.gif) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4403/311dh.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=311dh.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/6695/325ka.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=325ka.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/5592/337xi.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=337xi.gif) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/7338/249js.th.jpg (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=249js.jpg) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/6007/256do.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=256do.gif)
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11x240 2640mhz :

...............cpu-z................ .......sandra arythmetic...... ........sandra memory........
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/6702/221xt.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=221xt.gif) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/1657/237ho.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=237ho.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/5467/346gb.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=346gb.gif)
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11x260 2860mhz and 11x258 2838mhz :

...............cpu-z................ .......sandra arythmetic...... ........sandra memory........ .......sandra memory......... ...........3dmark 2001......... ...........3dmark 2001........
http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5929/263qy.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=263qy.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/7260/277hd.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=277hd.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/6869/283tz.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=283tz.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/8647/295rr.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=295rr.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5378/2103gr.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=2103gr.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5337/2110dg.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=2110dg.gif)
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memory controller oddities :

..............sandra............... .............sandra...............
http://img127.exs.cx/img127/7985/353qt.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=353qt.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/2237/362ci.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=362ci.gif)
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update:
cpu-z 1.27.2 or the latest CBID couldnt recognize the cpu either, dave will try to use cpu-z 1.27.2 to verify a shot though :)

update:
the superpi version he used was not sse3 patched, but he will test superpi with and without the sse3 patch to see what the difference is and how much sse3 helps those chips to perform :)

update:
the bios incompability issues you have all heard about are about the E4 stepping (san diego 1024kb L2 cache 90nm) not the E3 (venice 512kb L2 cache 90nm) so you dont need a bios update for the venice chips that will be released on april 4th

update:
we will add watercooled and aircooled results later :D

update:
please stop pming pc ice! hes very busy atm pushing this baby even further :D

update:
the screenshot indicates he is running 2GB of memory, this is a bug!
however, he will test with 4 DS 512mb sticks and post results :)

update:
bad news, pc ice hurt his back has the water and air results on a raid array he has problems accessing now. he will post the results asap though.
lets all wish dave to get well again soon :toast:

update:
more than stock vcore barely seems to do anything to this chip :(
lets hope that its just because this is an early chip and that future chips will scale better with more vcore. and 2.8ghz with stock vcore on water is not a bad result by any means :D

update:
pc ice tried it again under his cascade and the chip didnt boot at -90°C either, so theres def a low temp bug. :/
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/2443/dsc003964gl.th.jpg (http://img100.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img100&image=dsc003964gl.jpg) http://img100.exs.cx/img100/5/dsc004079qm.th.jpg (http://img100.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img100&image=dsc004079qm.jpg)


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Alec
03-25-2005, 01:26 AM
woah! Thats a sweet overclock man! :toast:
crank those volts up a bit and lets see 3GHz!

Awsome 3dmark 2k1 scores too.

Richie
03-25-2005, 01:27 AM
Woah! .6ghz improvement with stock volts! nice work man, thats a sexy chip,

really goes to show that 3d mark 2001 is based alot on CPU, as i use to think that 3dmarks were mostly video card related. thats a great improvement,

thanks for pics :p: Good work :toast: :banana: :up:

conrad.maranan
03-25-2005, 01:28 AM
Take note of the 2GB of RAM at 285MHz 2.5-3-3-7. :rehab:

saaya
03-25-2005, 01:30 AM
Take note of the 2GB of RAM at 285MHz 2.5-3-3-7. :rehab:

yeah and dave said it could do 330mhz :o
dont know if thats with 2gb though :D

great work dave! keep pushing that baby :D :toast:

conrad.maranan
03-25-2005, 01:31 AM
yeah and dave said it could do 330mhz :o
dont know if thats with 2gb though :D
I'm pretty sure it is. Those new memory controllers rock! :rocker:

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 01:31 AM
Nice! I believe CPU-Z showing 2048MB is a bug, right?

also...


G-SKILL XXXXXXXX @ddr660 2.5-3-3-6 1T???

conrad.maranan
03-25-2005, 01:33 AM
bachus_anonym - It's not a bug. And about the G.Skill, I'll keep my mouth shut and let pc ice do the talking. ;)

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 01:41 AM
bachus_anonym - It's not a bug. And about the G.Skill, I'll keep my mouth shut and let pc ice do the talking. ;)
are you sure, Conrad ? - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=766131&postcount=430

otherwise, it would be awesome :)

maybe that gskill is FF... let's wait for pc ice...

EDIT: Just looked at Sandra... "Memory used by test - 512MB"

So it's 1GB ;)

conrad.maranan
03-25-2005, 01:45 AM
You're right. I was just looking at that as well.

googles
03-25-2005, 01:49 AM
at last a 3500+ venice being tested ;)
looking forward to more results...

saaya
03-25-2005, 01:50 AM
EDIT: Just looked at Sandra... "Memory used by test - 512MB"

So it's 1GB ;)

:doh:

should have seen this as well :D

gundamit
03-25-2005, 02:20 AM
EDIT: Just looked at Sandra... "Memory used by test - 512MB"
So it's 1GB ;) Dang! Too late! I saw the same thing well after I had already crapped my pants! Would still like to know if 4x512 will run 1T. Wouldn't mind if it results in slighty lower OC, but don't want the double whammy of lower HTT and 2T timing.

Evil_Spork
03-25-2005, 02:40 AM
woot!

*buys a 3200+*

MaxxxRacer
03-25-2005, 02:55 AM
I just fell out of my chair... stock volts and 2.8ghz.... i think i smell 4ghz on venice!! Dont call me ti4200 but I think we got something here.

Cant wait to get my winnie out of here and grab a venice.

skate2snow
03-25-2005, 02:57 AM
probably he has 4x512Mb and we dont see lower? Because that would be the first time I see CPUZ showing bad memory size.... If it is a bug, it is probably because of the new Memory Controller?

matt9669
03-25-2005, 02:57 AM
Just FYI:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=283&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

It's up on the front page! :up:

skate2snow
03-25-2005, 02:58 AM
I just fell out of my chair... stock volts and 2.8ghz.... i think i smell 4ghz on venice!! Dont call me ti4200 but I think we got something here.

Cant wait to get my winnie out of here and grab a venice.Its doing a while GeForce ain`t connected.... you are replacing him? lol

Mastakilla
03-25-2005, 03:31 AM
in the 3th screenshot (sisoft sandra mem bench) u can clearly see its 2x 512MB

u can also see some of the timings..

does that "2CMD" mean its only running at 2T?

also im wondering why its only using 2 way mem interleaving?
isnt that normally 4 way?

intresting results btw, would love to know how it does at normal temps too though ;)

Th3__W00T_GuY__
03-25-2005, 03:38 AM
omg rocks!!!

saaya
03-25-2005, 03:39 AM
in the 3th screenshot (sisoft sandra mem bench) u can clearly see its 2x 512MB

u can also see some of the timings..

does that "2CMD" mean its only running at 2T?

also im wondering why its only using 2 way mem interleaving?
isnt that normally 4 way?

intresting results btw, would love to know how it does at normal temps too though ;)

if we have enough time dave will also post watercooling and air cooling results :)

Master_G
03-25-2005, 03:55 AM
What's that you say? Cold bug gone?
:banana: Hot diggity damn :banana:
I'm going to see what my LS can do with one of these babys ASAP. Might have to change my :rolleyes: motherboard though.

G

odb
03-25-2005, 04:28 AM
thats pretty damn good results so far, any preorders online anywhere yet? heh

cyph3r
03-25-2005, 04:32 AM
and which is the stepping ?

saaya
03-25-2005, 04:38 AM
ADA3500DAA4BP
CBBLE 0504EPAW

same as the 3500+ from steven i think :)

Hallowed
03-25-2005, 05:48 AM
And to think were still sub 3G's yet.

Badass chips.

[XC] leviathan18
03-25-2005, 05:56 AM
i hope to buy a 3200 an oc to 2.8ghz on water....

agenda2005
03-25-2005, 06:06 AM
Can someone run 4 double sided dimms with this CPU and lets laid the speculation to rest.

perkam
03-25-2005, 06:12 AM
OMG This must have been the fastest Sticky ever !!!

Amazing stuff PC-Ice ! But lets see some 3ghz+ results !

Perkam

saaya
03-25-2005, 06:12 AM
i asked dave already, but i think he locked himself in his hardware lab :lol:
cant blame him though, id do the same with such a sweet chip :D

SLaY3r07
03-25-2005, 06:29 AM
Man that's sweet :rocker:

saaya
03-25-2005, 06:46 AM
update:
1.4v undervolts in bios, bumped up to 1.4v vcore real
how about 2950mhz stock vcore? :D

SIOUX
03-25-2005, 07:01 AM
OMFG...i must be a dream :slobber: :slobber: :rehab:

d@rkn1ko
03-25-2005, 07:05 AM
very nice

it's cpu@-40° or evap @-40?

Bloody_Sorcerer
03-25-2005, 07:07 AM
O_O
thats just beautiful. Maybe now AMD will start clock-scaling like Intel, but actually performing? :)
AMD must come out with higher models of those babies clocked at 2.8GHz+!

NoStra
03-25-2005, 07:08 AM
Nice results.....but I want to see what the venice core does with 1.7V!!!

Cornelious0_0
03-25-2005, 07:12 AM
Good lord, maybe it's a good thing I couldn't get my 3200+ when I wanted.....seems this IS going to be the chip to have...or any other Venice for that matter....fricken amazing. :toast:

Stewie007
03-25-2005, 07:14 AM
Wow, that's clocking beautifully!

*grins* I wonder if the San Diego will do better :)

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 07:15 AM
Nice results.....but I want to see what the venice core does with 1.7V!!!
same here... also, maybe some more benches, please :D

alexio
03-25-2005, 07:19 AM
2950mhz at 1.4V is insane

saaya
03-25-2005, 07:21 AM
very nice

it's cpu@-40° or evap @-40?

since its a single stage cooler by pc ice himself i think its -40°C cpu temp and not evap :)
but im not sure... i asked him already but hes busy benching :D


O_O
thats just beautiful. Maybe now AMD will start clock-scaling like Intel, but actually performing? :)
AMD must come out with higher models of those babies clocked at 2.8GHz+!

you mean fx57? its comming out soon :D


Nice results.....but I want to see what the venice core does with 1.7V!!!
check this thread again tomorrow :D
as i said, i will keep updating the thread :D


Wow, that's clocking beautifully!

*grins* I wonder if the San Diego will do better :)
why should it do better?


same here... also, maybe some more benches, please :D
i forwarded this to dave as well... but as i said... :D

kappa2001
03-25-2005, 07:22 AM
So they perform well at low vcore...
What about high vcore?
you should also give it a run with aircooling so we can have the results of 2 different processors and have an early average :p

saaya
03-25-2005, 07:25 AM
So they perform well at low vcore...
What about high vcore?
you should also give it a run with aircooling so we can have the results of 2 different processors and have an early average :p

dave will test it with phase change cooling first, then water, then air :D
if theres not enough time he might have to ditch the aircooling though...

i think steven who also found an amd venice on his doorstep did some tests with air, no?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56313

d@rkn1ko
03-25-2005, 07:30 AM
-40 cpu on single stage really hard

perkam
03-25-2005, 07:38 AM
Whats its max on air though ? Thats what I want to know :D

Perkam

HousERaT
03-25-2005, 07:39 AM
my mouth is watering so bad for one of these things...... I'm quite sure 3Ghz is reasonable with more voltage..... maybe even possible with a good air cooling setup..... I'll be happy to try.

Cornelious0_0
03-25-2005, 07:44 AM
Same here, I'd like to see some air and water results...as well as higher vcore results......

Alec
03-25-2005, 07:45 AM
OMFG those are some insane clocks man!

Perkam,
I think it will do teh same kinda clocks on air as it is doing under phase change but I think it may require slightly higher volts... When I get one; its going streight under the best watercooling system money can afford! :D

I bet this chip could probs do atleast 3.1GHz...

Alec

perkam
03-25-2005, 07:47 AM
Ty, Alec, but what cooling are these chips on ? and can PC Ice test with a Winnie at the same spec, I want to see the diff between Winnie and Venice at same speed in 01/03, etc.

Perkam

STEvil
03-25-2005, 07:52 AM
I might have to pull from the emergency fund... lol :D

Alec
03-25-2005, 07:53 AM
under phase change...
depends what winchester; go to the winchester oc stickie and see what the top 3500+ winchester clocks are (uner a similar phase change system).

I think the 3500+s do about 2.7 to 2.8GHz at high volts on maybe air and most likelly water.

My winchester does 2.6GHz @ 1.425vcore and 2.7GHz @ 1.575Vcore; so you can definatelly see a big difference in volts required in the two different steppings.


Alec

isp
03-25-2005, 07:56 AM
Nice results with the phase change, no doubt.

Now how about air? :)

cheece2001
03-25-2005, 08:00 AM
omg thats an amazing hcip. I am going to get my hands on those babies right when they hot the market. can't wait. I woun't regret moving from intel to amd now. :)

saaya
03-25-2005, 08:00 AM
-40 cpu on single stage really hard

and pc ice is really good :D


it was cpu temp's.


Ty, Alec, but what cooling are these chips on ? and can PC Ice test with a Winnie at the same spec, I want to see the diff between Winnie and Venice at same speed in 01/03, etc.

Perkam
winnies dont run at -temps :slap: :P

a winnie at 2.2ghz would be cool to compare, but he doesnt have one afaik, and i dont think there would be a difference...

...:::MadDog:::
03-25-2005, 08:00 AM
wOw... 2950 @ 1.40 its amazing...

crafty
03-25-2005, 08:02 AM
I've got a brand new DFI ultra-d w/ 2x512 OCZ VX 4000 but no processor... I can't wait for one of these bad boys! Looks like my first overclocking experience will be a good one :)

(btw... my first post :))

Master_G
03-25-2005, 08:06 AM
Welcome to the forum crafty! :)
What cooling will you be using?

G

Alec
03-25-2005, 08:10 AM
I've got a brand new DFI ultra-d w/ 2x512 OCZ VX 4000 but no processor... I can't wait for one of these bad boys! Looks like my first xtreme overclocking experience will be a good one :)

(btw... my first post :))
Welcome to XtremeSystems, Crafty. The place where we overclock the hell out of our pcs! :rehab:
Youve got a nice motherboard and RAM there; a 3500+ or 3800+ venis would definatelly make your rig run at its full potential!

What cooling do you think your going to use?

Alec

mcnbns
03-25-2005, 08:11 AM
Yay for Venice!

I'm loving this! These next couple months are going to be fun!

Now all we need is for Sapphire's mobo to come out... :devil: :rehab:

crafty
03-25-2005, 08:13 AM
Thanks for the welcome guys. I'm going to be starting off with an xp-90 and switching to water soon after. I've never built a watercooling kit before so I'm afraid to start off from scratch with a brand new machine :)

chunkylover77
03-25-2005, 08:13 AM
SWEET!!!!!!! Man I hope my 3500 venice chip does as well as this one.
:welcome: to you Crafty. You have just joined the most knowledgeable overclocking forum on the planet

slayer899
03-25-2005, 08:14 AM
Yay for Venice!

I'm loving this! These next couple months are going to be fun!

Now all we need is for Sapphire's mobo to come out... :devil: :rehab:

YES :bounces:

agenda2005
03-25-2005, 08:15 AM
I might have to pull from the emergency fund... lol :D

Me too :)

derubermensch1
03-25-2005, 08:32 AM
I can't wait to hear if that g.skill is FF with the supposed DDR600 1T guarantee or not as well ; ) Good thing I waited to upgrade if both of these are around the corner : )

I am new to the forums as well and am considering the same purchase as crafty with the DFI and VX : ) What concerns me is if we both have the boards and the memory and no cpu and we wait until venice ships, how will we be able to run it if the board needs a bios flash (DFI's are still shipping with 1/25 I believe?) Will it even let you boot with a floppy to flash or will we have to a) wait for a board with a shipping bios that supports venice b) buy a winchester or newcastle just to flash the bios c) something else my newbie a$s hasnt thought of : ) Figured I'd bring this up as crafty is in the same boat as me : ) I posted this elsewhere but no one really got back : ) Feel free to PM me an answer if this is too borderline and considered hijacking, dont want to pi$s anyone off my first day : P

Definitely curious about max oc with good air cooling...the anticipation is killing me, is that g.skill FF???? : )

chunkylover77
03-25-2005, 08:47 AM
I can't wait to hear if that g.skill is FF with the supposed DDR600 1T guarantee or not as well ; ) Good thing I waited to upgrade if both of these are around the corner : )

I am new to the forums as well and am considering the same purchase as crafty with the DFI and VX : ) What concerns me is if we both have the boards and the memory and no cpu and we wait until venice ships, how will we be able to run it if the board needs a bios flash (DFI's are still shipping with 1/25 I believe?) Will it even let you boot with a floppy to flash or will we have to a) wait for a board with a shipping bios that supports venice b) buy a winchester or newcastle just to flash the bios c) something else my newbie a$s hasnt thought of : ) Figured I'd bring this up as crafty is in the same boat as me : ) I posted this elsewhere but no one really got back : ) Feel free to PM me an answer if this is too borderline and considered hijacking, dont want to pi$s anyone off my first day : P

Definitely curious about max oc with good air cooling...the anticipation is killing me, is that g.skill FF???? : )


I'm in the same boat as you with the bios flash. I get venice chip next week and I want to know if it will be recognized by the DFI board in particular. I also dont have another 939 chip laying around.

Magnj
03-25-2005, 09:00 AM
yay, too bad I just bought a Super Castle. Thats ok, I'll let you crazy people find al lthe bugs first :P.

Please bench on Air

Onepagebook
03-25-2005, 09:04 AM
you don't have to put those many "X" after Gskill..:D
I believe the pair of xxxx is the world's first one :rehab:
Nice results.

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 09:07 AM
you guy's havnt seen nothing yet. ;) im droping the chip off to OPP so he can baby sit it while i work today.. :D but i do know 1 thing is when these chip's are in store's im getting more than 1 of them..bad AZZ chip this is..

the -40c unit is used look's like this one.very simple unit.
Would that mean no tests on AIR ??? Only single-stage and cascade benching? I can't say I'm happy now, bud :(

you don't have to put those many "X" after Gskill..:D
I believe the pair of xxxx is the world's first one :rehab:
Nice results.Is that FF then, Kevin or PC5200 ??? :D

crafty
03-25-2005, 09:10 AM
I can't wait to hear if that g.skill is FF with the supposed DDR600 1T guarantee or not as well ; ) Good thing I waited to upgrade if both of these are around the corner : )

I am new to the forums as well and am considering the same purchase as crafty with the DFI and VX : ) What concerns me is if we both have the boards and the memory and no cpu and we wait until venice ships, how will we be able to run it if the board needs a bios flash (DFI's are still shipping with 1/25 I believe?) Will it even let you boot with a floppy to flash or will we have to a) wait for a board with a shipping bios that supports venice b) buy a winchester or newcastle just to flash the bios c) something else my newbie a$s hasnt thought of : ) Figured I'd bring this up as crafty is in the same boat as me : ) I posted this elsewhere but no one really got back : ) Feel free to PM me an answer if this is too borderline and considered hijacking, dont want to pi$s anyone off my first day : P

Definitely curious about max oc with good air cooling...the anticipation is killing me, is that g.skill FF???? : )

Two (3?) Venices have has overclocking results shown on this forum. I'm fairly sure we'll be able to boot with the venice chips and then update the bios. If not, :confused: :slobber: :( :mad:

UCmajewski
03-25-2005, 09:11 AM
hmm looks like I need to wait for venice!

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 09:12 AM
you can be sad if you want..like i have siad a thousand times now..I WILL HAVE AIR / WATER result's..YES I WILL....
Great then! Don't be so nervous, pc ice... ;) (sits back and waits)

Evil_Spork
03-25-2005, 09:14 AM
you don't have to put those many "X" after Gskill..:D
I believe the pair of xxxx is the world's first one :rehab:
Nice results.
:lol:

even you dont have any! :eek: :p:

so far so good. venice looks to be close to what all the hype has been saying. :)

Th3__W00T_GuY__
03-25-2005, 09:28 AM
go 4 water man! :D

SET
03-25-2005, 09:28 AM
Good sounds

Beautiful images.

Very nice Clocks

I want to see results of 3200 +...

enduracell
03-25-2005, 09:29 AM
Great job guys :toast:
Quick question: does E0 need a BIOS update on DFI to run or is it ok w/ last one? Thank you.

ben805
03-25-2005, 09:36 AM
do you guys know what is the going price for these new Venice when they hit the street? I think they'll be a few versions....3000, 3200, 3500, and 3800?

derubermensch1
03-25-2005, 09:41 AM
I hope so crafty : ) I just hoping our shipping bios will work is mainly what im concerned with because I know there's none of them out now shipping with 3/10. I wonder if whoever has these venice chips and a DFI could see how far back in bios revisions on the DFI a venice is compatible with ; )

And I apologize for not checking my other thread first for more responses on the bios thing, I have it set for instant email notification but I only get them every once in awhile for some reason and not after every reply so if I made it seem like others weren't being helpful I apologize : )

Alec
03-25-2005, 09:50 AM
sweet stuff :D
Have you managed to get her to do 3GHz yet?

Alec

derubermensch1
03-25-2005, 09:54 AM
Thanks, I'm glad I had some helpful input being new and all : ) Hope it goes well for you guys. This would greatly alleviate my concerns about purchasing an Ultra-D as I have the feeling they won't revamp the shipping bios until after venice is out and then i would have to wait even longer!

enok
03-25-2005, 10:12 AM
omfg... this newest chips will rock!!! :D
can't wait to see San Diego! :D

shuRe
03-25-2005, 10:14 AM
only 2.75-2.85 on water? :(

i see newcastles doing 2.9 suicide on stock cooling around!

tbone
03-25-2005, 10:18 AM
only 2.75-2.85 on water? :(

i see newcastles doing 2.9 suicide on stock cooling around!
With stock volts it does that.

Alec
03-25-2005, 10:24 AM
yeh... now imagine it at 1.6 - 1.7vcore!!!

blinky
03-25-2005, 10:27 AM
ok... can we see some high vcore results

people dont stay at 1.4v with -40c :p:

uwackme
03-25-2005, 10:32 AM
If one of you guys dont put 4 512M sticks in and test the memeory controller, Im gonna STRANGLE SOMEONE!!!!!

DO IT DAMMIT .... DO IT DO IT DO IT :banana:

JDizzle
03-25-2005, 10:34 AM
How does it respond to higher voltages? 2.95GHZ on stock vcore is great but will it continue to scale this good with higher voltages?

Ackbar
03-25-2005, 10:57 AM
How does it respond to higher voltages? 2.95GHZ on stock vcore is great but will it continue to scale this good with higher voltages?

Same question here. If you guys look at the Clawhammer 3500+ thread you'll notice a common theme that people can do 2600 at around stock voltage, but going to 2700 has no bearing on voltage. So basically 2700 can not be achieved even though 2600 can be done at stock volts! I found this to be very odd... but now that I've seen to be true, I feel that unless someone shows me the max overclock at whatever voltage, I won't feel sure that the CPU can necessarily do more than that.

Korpse
03-25-2005, 11:04 AM
holy crap!!!

i gunna have to save for 1 of these babies now instead of gettin a cheap ass ( but good) winnie

im gettin a cascade from pc-ice which will do -100c so im guessing from a 3500/3800 - ill see WAY past 3ghz :D

EDIT - PCICE you got my pm? cos i pmed you like 3 days ago and no reply yet :P:

MaxxxRacer
03-25-2005, 11:13 AM
Ice, bring it over to my house for some fun on water.. just come by after work....

i warn you though, my mobo has lock jaw and might not give you the chip back :p:

mcnbns
03-25-2005, 11:16 AM
If one of you guys dont put 4 512M sticks in and test the memeory controller, Im gonna STRANGLE SOMEONE!!!!!
Look a little closer at some of the screens, bro. ;)

EDIT: Have a pic link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27376&stc=1

situman
03-25-2005, 11:16 AM
Take note of the 2GB of RAM at 285MHz 2.5-3-3-7. :rehab:

It looks for be 2T command rate

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 11:20 AM
Look a little closer at some of the screens, bro. ;)

It looks for be 2T command rateGuys, this has been said at the beginning of this thread... It is NOT 4x512MB... It seems like CPU-Z reports wrong amount of RAM when running Venice... It was with 3800+ and now 3500+ that pc ice is testing...

situman
03-25-2005, 11:26 AM
i thought the DFI doesnt have a bios that supports the new Venice cores, apparently they do now.

cheece2001
03-25-2005, 12:04 PM
they do have a bios that supports the venice ? (DFI) of so then i am so releaved becuase i am getting a dfi mobo and the venice and i hope dfi ill support the vence and then let me update the bios. caues i don't have any other 939 cihp laying around.

IvanAndreevich
03-25-2005, 12:08 PM
You don't need a special bios to support Venice.

pc ice
1.4V? Awww.. give it hell, would ya?

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 12:14 PM
they do have a bios that supports the venice ? (DFI) of so then i am so releaved becuase i am getting a dfi mobo and the venice and i hope dfi ill support the vence and then let me update the bios. caues i don't have any other 939 cihp laying around.
Pc Ice - Please allow me........
THE NEW REVISION VENICE (E3) CPU'S DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CURRENT NF CHIPSETS!!!!
I had no problems booting the 3800+ with my old MSI Neo2 NF3 mobo and it seems as if PcIce is doing well with the DFI NF4 board. My 3800+ did 3ghz @ default vcore but wasn't stable. These are obviously some awesome cpu's. I'm expecting to see a bench @ 3.4G with this cpu ;) ...............

Bennah
03-25-2005, 12:59 PM
any suicide screenies yet? I wonder what the 3800+ does :D


I love the simple single stage unit :slobber:
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/4988/159ft.jpg

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 01:06 PM
Pc Ice - Please allow me........
THE NEW REVISION VENICE (E3) CPU'S DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CURRENT NF CHIPSETS!!!!
I had no problems booting the 3800+ with my old MSI Neo2 NF3 mobo and it seems as if PcIce is doing well with the DFI NF4 board. My 3800+ did 3ghz @ default vcore but wasn't stable. These are obviously some awesome cpu's. I'm expecting to see a bench @ 3.4G with this cpu ;) ...............
Oh, and I forgot to say....for those that are wondering if these cpu's scale with voltage: They do scale, and very well if I may add. My 3800+ could take up to ~1.75-1.8V and didn't explode. But upping the Vcore didn't help beyond somewhere in the range of 1.65-1.7. Than again, you never know what a cascade could do with these Venices :)

R.Rabbit
03-25-2005, 02:05 PM
whats the max??! including more vcore that is, come on ICE your toying with us!

saaya
03-25-2005, 02:09 PM
holy crap!!!

i gunna have to save for 1 of these babies now instead of gettin a cheap ass ( but good) winnie

im gettin a cascade from pc-ice which will do -100c so im guessing from a 3500/3800 - ill see WAY past 3ghz :D

EDIT - PCICE you got my pm? cos i pmed you like 3 days ago and no reply yet :P:

please give him a break man! hes busy and your not the only one pming him, people, please give him a break!


Pc Ice - Please allow me........
THE NEW REVISION VENICE (E3) CPU'S DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CURRENT NF CHIPSETS!!!!
I had no problems booting the 3800+ with my old MSI Neo2 NF3 mobo and it seems as if PcIce is doing well with the DFI NF4 board. My 3800+ did 3ghz @ default vcore but wasn't stable. These are obviously some awesome cpu's. I'm expecting to see a bench @ 3.4G with this cpu ;) ...............

the bios incompability you have all heard about is with the amd 90nm REV E4 chips, not E3! E4 is san diego (1mb l2 cache 90nm) :)

saaya
03-25-2005, 02:11 PM
update:
3ghz with stock vcore anybody? :D :rocker:

Bennah
03-25-2005, 02:13 PM
please give him a break man! hes busy and your not the only one pming him, people, please give him a break!



here here!

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 02:20 PM
update:
3ghz with stock vcore anybody? :D :rocker:



Wow, that is some serious memory...... ;)

BTW - What resolution is xp set at? The screenies look kinda funny..... Actually, it looks like there are artifacts.....:p:

Always
03-25-2005, 02:22 PM
The wait has been well worth it, 3Ghz@1,4v :slobber:

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.

S0nic
03-25-2005, 02:24 PM
hmm, could u do 300 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 with clawhammer/newcastle/winchester too or is it only possible with venice? does that give better performance than say 265 2-2-2-x with VX?

Jort
03-25-2005, 02:26 PM
Wow, that is some serious memory...... ;)

BTW - What resolution is xp set at? The screenies look kinda funny..... Actually, it looks like there are artifacts.....:p:

set you resolution to 1024 or more and not to 640*480 :p:

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 02:28 PM
The wait has been well worth it, 3Ghz@1,4v :slobber:

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.
You need 100+ posts to view ;)

Jort
03-25-2005, 02:28 PM
The wait has been well worth it, 3Ghz@1,4v :slobber:

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.
MUST have 100 posts to post in here...

edit: lol fast reaction here :D

isp
03-25-2005, 02:31 PM
BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.
You need to meet a certain requirement of posts. I believe it is 100. I am not positive though. If you're really interested just PM pcice and I'm sure you guys can go from there. :)


hmm, could u do 300 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 with clawhammer/newcastle/winchester too or is it only possible with venice? does that give better performance than say 265 2-2-2-x with VX?
That's been a hot topic around here for a while. It would be close. Check Xtreme bandwidth section for threads like this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55318).

metro.cl
03-25-2005, 02:32 PM
awsome chip, ill wait for the air cooled tests, also try some more vcore ;)

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 02:32 PM
Double Jinx :D

Always
03-25-2005, 02:32 PM
Thumbs up to your quick answering m8s. I agree with s7e9h3n, quite good mem sticks there :D . Do the few Venice cores that have emerged have similar steppings? As far as I know they're all week 4 2005, am I right?

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 02:37 PM
Thumbs up to your quick answering m8s. I agree with s7e9h3n, quite good mem sticks there :D . Do the few Venice cores that have emerged have similar steppings? As far as I know they're all week 4 2005, am I right?
0504 isn't the stepping it's only the production date, and to my knowledge, yes, they'll all be similar.....

Merconium
03-25-2005, 02:39 PM
Thanks for keeping us posted!

Always
03-25-2005, 02:43 PM
0504 isn't the stepping it's only the production date, and to my knowledge, yes, they'll all be similar.....

When you refer to stepping you mean the production date + the next 4 letters(3 sometimes)? I was meaning that in my last post, but just stating after the question that the chips were all from week 4.

danbob
03-25-2005, 02:48 PM
wow, thats crazy. 3.0 ghz on stock vcore

REDKEN
03-25-2005, 02:52 PM
Sheeshh!! You blink for a moment and the BAM!! a 119 thread about the new venice.
Kind of keeps you on your feet:)

P.S: See 3 more posts while I was writing this :p:

Patrickclouds
03-25-2005, 02:54 PM
nice chips,
they seem to oc very well.
i hope they are available soon

LowRun
03-25-2005, 03:02 PM
Hehe, things are getting interesting :D

althes
03-25-2005, 03:19 PM
This is becomingb ton of fun

iboomalot
03-25-2005, 03:21 PM
I wonder how fast a Dual version of this chip would be??? Intel would be hurting badly 3.2 ghz DUAL vs a 3.0 ghz Dual Venice OUCH!!!!!!!! that would be painfull

Nubius
03-25-2005, 03:36 PM
Rather noobish question here, but how would you know if your chip is the E3 revision vs E4?

saaya
03-25-2005, 03:38 PM
Wow, that is some serious memory...... ;)

BTW - What resolution is xp set at? The screenies look kinda funny..... Actually, it looks like there are artifacts.....:p:

check his card clocks :D


hmm, could u do 300 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 with clawhammer/newcastle/winchester too or is it only possible with venice? does that give better performance than say 265 2-2-2-x with VX?

welcome to XtremeSystems :toast: you need 100 posts to be allowed into the for sale and trade section of xs, no spamming allowed! ;)


nice chips,
they seem to oc very well.
i hope they are available soon
april 4th, and they should be available very fast after the launch :)


I wonder how fast a Dual version of this chip would be??? Intel would be hurting badly 3.2 ghz DUAL vs a 3.0 ghz Dual Venice OUCH!!!!!!!! that would be painfull
the dual core chip even has 1mb L2 cache for each cpu ;)
for more details check the dual core preview thread wich is also stickied in the amd section :D
some italian site tested it, their cpu ran at 2.4ghz stock, so yeah, the amd dual core cpus should kick some mayor 4ss :D


Rather noobish question here, but how would you know if your chip is the E3 revision vs E4?
read the first post in this thread :P
E3 is venice 512kb
E4 is san diego 1024kb
:)

_Eduard_
03-25-2005, 03:42 PM
oh just PLEASE put 4x512MB ram in there... and if you don't have that stuff it full with pc66 stuff or whatever you have around :) You have to test that mem controller! That DFI nF4 mobo aint got 4 DIMMs for nothing!

saaya
03-25-2005, 03:50 PM
hes going to test it with 4 512mb sticks :)

saaya
03-25-2005, 03:59 PM
update:

3ghz 2001 and aquamark results :D

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/1876/189zd.th.gif (http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=189zd.gif)

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3679/198zv.th.gif (http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=198zv.gif)

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3466/200bn.th.gif (http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=200bn.gif)

terrace215
03-25-2005, 04:00 PM
Rather noobish question here, but how would you know if your chip is the E3 revision vs E4?

E3 = Rev E 512K L2 (Venice)
E4 = Rev E 1MB L2 (San Diego, Opteron)

Bennah
03-25-2005, 04:11 PM
might want to update your cpu-z version.

she does look good and that shes still got some left in the tank ;)

STEvil
03-25-2005, 04:11 PM
.......WOW.

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 04:12 PM
3.1ghz 1.4v. :) she's still climbing.
I'm still sticking to my orginal guess of ~3.4G @ 1.75-1.8V benchmark stable on one of your cascades :D

Cranox
03-25-2005, 04:13 PM
Woot , thats a nice cpu u got there
I hope they all do 3100 mhz @ 1.408v :)

Bennah
03-25-2005, 04:14 PM
Woot , thats a nice cpu u got there
I hope they all do 3100 mhz @ 1.408v :)

just need the right cooling ;)

_Eduard_
03-25-2005, 04:19 PM
don't forget to do an air/water bench too. also see how far it goes on 1volt.

and also not to forget find out the max memclock with 8 banks!

M3taC0rT3X
03-25-2005, 04:20 PM
Just .. WoW :slobber:


Keep it up PCIce!!

Cranox
03-25-2005, 04:20 PM
just need the right cooling ;)

NP i got a mach 2 ;)

s7e9h3n
03-25-2005, 04:21 PM
might want to update your cpu-z version.

she does look good and that shes still got some left in the tank ;)
Hey Bennah,
Trust me, it doesn't matter if you have the most recent version of cpu-z. It's still gonna look like that with a venice:
http://img119.exs.cx/img119/536/34007gz.jpg

saaya
03-25-2005, 04:22 PM
don't forget to do an air/water bench too. also see how far it goes on 1volt.

and also not to forget find out the max memclock with 8 banks!

calm down dude :D
dont worry, he wont forget to test air water and 4 512mb sticks... calm down :P

saaya
03-25-2005, 04:23 PM
Hey Bennah,
Trust me, it doesn't matter if you have the most recent version of cpu-z. It's still gonna look like that with a venice:
http://img119.exs.cx/img119/536/34007gz.jpg

oohhhh jummy! :slobber: :D

i found nemo
03-25-2005, 04:42 PM
3.4@1.6v wow, tha's gr8

SLaY3r07
03-25-2005, 04:44 PM
Can't wait to see this thing w/ 1.7 VCore :rocker:

Squid_Spit
03-25-2005, 04:50 PM
Amazing :slobber: :slobber: Cant wait to see how well it goes with more vcore!!

IvanAndreevich
03-25-2005, 05:02 PM
pci ice
Can it do a SP 1mi @ 3.1 GHz @ 1.4V, or is that suicidal?

saaya
03-25-2005, 05:08 PM
and some more :D

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8203/222cx.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=222cx.gif)



nice memory controller indeed! :D

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/1729/233vt.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=233vt.gif)

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/6921/244it.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=244it.gif)

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8589/252sm.th.gif (http://img208.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img208&image=252sm.gif)

isp
03-25-2005, 05:18 PM
2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:

matt9669
03-25-2005, 05:24 PM
2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:
update:
the screenshot indicates he is running 2GB of memory, this is a bug!
however, he will test with 4 DS 512mb sticks and post results Hehe, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but bada$$ nonetheless :up:

LowRun
03-25-2005, 05:36 PM
Darn!! It's 4 AM and i just can't go to sleep with this kind of screenies flowing.

Orthogonal
03-25-2005, 05:38 PM
hehe, it's 8 p.m. for me :)

Anyway, I must have missed it, What BIOS version is being used on this DFI board? 3/10 I'm assuming, but I don't think it was ever said.

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Honestly, I think it would have been much wiser for you guys (pc ice and saaya) to wait untill all testing under phase change was done (full range of vcore). Then post results and move to water and air...

But I guess it's too late now :)

In the mean time, I'll go out catch something to eat :D

isp
03-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Hehe, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but bada$$ nonetheless :up:
That isn't cool bro, I just ruined a perfectly good pair of briefs!!! :stick:

S0nic
03-25-2005, 05:53 PM
2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:

I think it's 1 gig, cpuz is misreading it..

EDIT: oops nevermind, didn't see the posts on this page

btw this is a crazy chip, can u get it prime stable at 320 x 9?
I just received my clawhammer 3500+ yesterday :( goal is ~270 x 10 with my PC4000 VX and XP-120 for cooling, I know I have high hopes :(

matt9669
03-25-2005, 05:56 PM
That isn't cool bro, I just ruined a perfectly good pair of briefs!!! :stick::ROTF: :rehab: :toast: :bounces: :sick:

SHiRaKaWa
03-25-2005, 06:03 PM
and some more :D



http://img230.exs.cx/img230/6171/231sp.th.gif (http://img230.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img230&image=231sp.gif)



Your joking :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

Congrats Saya

Edit: Didn't see the following post. That was fast. :p:

bugeyes
03-25-2005, 06:03 PM
less emotion and more updates please

IvanAndreevich
03-25-2005, 06:07 PM
Looks like Venice is a success. Subzero bug and 4 dual-bank chips o/c bugs are SLAUGHTERED :)

saaya
03-25-2005, 06:27 PM
2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:

no, its not 2gb! its a bug! sorry, will edit the pics :D


less emotion and more updates please


sorry, thats all for the next hours, im going to sleep now, and theres nothing nothing new i can post :(

opp will get to play with this little chip tomorrow, cant wait to see what he can get out of this thing under his cascade! :D

bugeyes
03-25-2005, 06:37 PM
no, its not 2gb! its a bug! sorry, will edit the pics :D
sorry, thats all for the next hours, im going to sleep now, and theres nothing nothing new i can post :(
opp will get to play with this little chip tomorrow, cant wait to see what he can get out of this thing under his cascade! :D

....g-night

I like how all the new info is edited into the original post...you just need to bump the thred when there somthing new to see.

saaya
03-25-2005, 06:45 PM
....g-night

I like how all the new info is edited into the original post...you just need to bump the thred when there somthing new to see.

thx, it sure was a lot of work :D

thx everybody for your input! :toast:
i never would have thougt of running 4 512mb sticks, and your other recommendations were also very helpfull to see what you guys wanna see from this chip! :toast:

all this will help to make the final review pc ice and opp will write about this chip even better, and even more fun to read :)

i hope you dont get upset about the slow updates :D

situman
03-25-2005, 06:47 PM
Thanks for the tests and Etc. The test that would be most helpful is on water as there are a lot more folks on water than there are on Freezers. Thanks for the effort guys.

Cpt Twitchy
03-25-2005, 06:52 PM
Amazing clocks :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: not to mention on stock volts. :up: I can't wait to see the extent of this testing.

This thread deserves a wave :YIPPIE:

conrad.maranan
03-25-2005, 06:54 PM
I like how all the new info is edited into the original post
Me, too. Now I don't have to make a FAQ similar to the one I did in s7e9h3n's 3800+ thread. :D

Thanks, saaya. You rock! :rocker:

MaxxxRacer
03-25-2005, 07:00 PM
wow.. this keeps getting better and better and better... 3.2ghz on stock vcore... even if its suicidie its stilll insane...

i found nemo
03-25-2005, 07:00 PM
btw dude this chip sure does clock but i still wanna see any amd hit 7.2ghz as we've seen before, and i do understand it won't happen any time soon, but a guy can dream right?? lol

agenda2005
03-25-2005, 07:12 PM
WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

matt9669
03-25-2005, 07:17 PM
WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?Bro, CHILL. PC ICE is doing his thing, he certainly knows what he is doing and all test results will be posted in time. This is merely a preview of the full review, as clearly stated by me on the front page.

conrad.maranan
03-25-2005, 07:21 PM
agenda2005 - Those who are testing will test as they please. Consider the information before you as privileged as you will be hard pressed to find this data elsewhere.

pc ice is not at your beckon call. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOTHING IN TERMS OF MOTIVATING USERS TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST.

bobmanfoo
03-25-2005, 07:21 PM
jesus chill man, remember that these guys are doing US a favor, don't get it twisted

bobmanfoo
03-25-2005, 07:21 PM
agenda2005 - Those who are testing will test as they please. Consider the information before you as privileged as you will be hard pressed to find this data elsewhere.

pc ice is not at your beckon call. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOTHING IN TERMS OF MOTIVATING USERS TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST.
right, all it does is annoy

bachus_anonym
03-25-2005, 07:26 PM
hopefully no more people goes on vacation over this thread, please...

so, let's just all sit tight, wait and be patient... :toast:

MaxxxRacer
03-25-2005, 07:29 PM
guys turning into an angry mob will only get you banned.... think twice before acting inappropriately.

chunkylover77
03-25-2005, 07:37 PM
Guys lets not go crazy. This thread has already gotten one person banned. Let Pc Ice do his thing and then OPP will have a run at it. I'm just happy to see any results whatsoever. Remember that Pc Ice is benching and also writing a full review of this chip. That takes time.

saaya
03-25-2005, 07:45 PM
WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

read the first post of this thread, yes, he will test with higher vcores and yes he will test on air and water, and yes he will test with 4x512mb...

if you have any recommendations post them :)


right chunky, this is a just a preview of the review hes writing :D
we thougt it was a good idear to post some results on the fly already, i dont get why some people get so upset about this :confused:

if somebody else complains please close the thread until tomorrow when we have new results :D :lol:

agenda2005
03-25-2005, 08:02 PM
I'm not trying to be offensive or annoy anyone. I apologize if it appear so. I'm only reasoning aloud! I will join others and wait to see what the result will turn out to be. Hope that explain my intention.

metro.cl
03-25-2005, 08:05 PM
could be posible for these chip, to almost beat a fx-55??? i mena you still have like 0.40v to give and you are already 3.1ghz (on stock)

matt9669
03-25-2005, 08:07 PM
I'm not trying to be offensive or annoy anyone. I apologize if it appear so. I'm only reasoning aloud! I will join others and wait to see what the result will turn out to be. Hope that explain my intention.Thanks agenda :up:


could be posible for these chip, to almost beat a fx-55??? i mena you still have like 0.40v to give and you are already 3.1ghz (on stock)I won't lie, been thinking the same thing :hehe:

chunkylover77
03-25-2005, 08:09 PM
Now I just need Pc Ice to send me one of his little units so I can get my chip to these levels. :toast:

Raybo
03-25-2005, 08:25 PM
I've been waiting to jump on the A64 bandwagon, I think my wagon has arrived!

:banana:

Nubius
03-25-2005, 08:40 PM
read the first post in this thread :P
E3 is venice 512kb
E4 is san diego 1024kb lol whoops, and it was because of that post that I asked...wow...complete brain fart :stick: :brick:

Nice clocks he's got going indeed.

airwolves
03-25-2005, 08:45 PM
Anyone find the street price for these yet??

Thanks

Lestat HWL
03-25-2005, 09:21 PM
Wow, not too bad from the first batch of Venice cores. I'm guessing that the first batch of cores will do on average 2.7-2.9GHz with standard air cooling...I know we'd all like to see 3GHz, but I'm thinking that may have to wait until some new steppings get launched, and once the core is getting better yields, etc...

Well it looks like I have two new CPUs to get now...Turion and Venice...haha :toast:

Vincentvega18
03-25-2005, 10:07 PM
Nice clocks f/volts. Wheres geforce, i wann hear some predictions. :D

gundamit
03-25-2005, 10:25 PM
Wildly entertaining thread. Saaya, good thing you edited the bugged CPUZ shots. I thank you and my diaper thanks you. :p:

R.Rabbit
03-25-2005, 11:05 PM
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: this is just plain amazing!!! way to go, the venice and ICE are trully xtreme! :worship:

Orthogonal
03-25-2005, 11:20 PM
Does anyone know what BIOS is running on that DFI board? I looked through this whole thread and didn't see. Stock? 3/10's?

ArcTan
03-25-2005, 11:27 PM
:slobber:

damn and I'd just gotten my 3000+ winnie to 2700mhz stable with 1.525v on air

Hombre
03-26-2005, 12:01 AM
OMFG, 3.1Ghz @ 1.4V, Amazing!

shuRe
03-26-2005, 12:09 AM
lets hope it responds to vcore increases, or i can see some people crying :(

drewmister
03-26-2005, 01:06 AM
damn and i just bought a 3500+ winchester because i couldn't stand to wait any longer... Everything but prime 95 stable at 10x260 and that is CBBID....

I don't know if i'll chip out the dough for one of these and sell my winchester we'll see...

HolyAk
03-26-2005, 01:27 AM
gotta sold my new newscastle for this chip :p
might try water cooling@226w peltier hehehe

Malachia
03-26-2005, 01:32 AM
i think i will return on amd this turn :D

cAsio
03-26-2005, 01:40 AM
HAVY! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

verry nice :slobber: :slobber:

b|gf|sh
03-26-2005, 01:48 AM
CPU-Z v1.28 (http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-128.zip) just out, no venice support stated in the changelog, but turion and opteron 252 support added, so worth a shot :)

(p.s. nice cpu, me wants :cool: )

matt9669
03-26-2005, 01:52 AM
Hmm, the Opteron 252 is 90nm sSOI, so I'd say there's a definite possibility 1.28 will recognize the Venice :D

Rabbi_NZ
03-26-2005, 02:47 AM
Looking good man... Hopefully San Diego and Turions will be as good if not better

Thanks for testing PC_Ice, and cheers for posting saaya :toast:

MRBIGSHOT
03-26-2005, 04:31 AM
looks like we have a winner on our hands. just might have to dump the 3000 for one of these, 400mhz is to much to give up

Karl Norris
03-26-2005, 05:07 AM
Hey all,

Just curious, and prone to doubting :D.

How sure is the results on the cold-glitch not effecting the Venice cores?

How many cores and how many boards have really been tested.

It would seem at this point that not enough information is available to know.

Am I missing something on this...

____________________

All that being said, these very early results are... stunning! I've been able to get my Winchester (3500+) to 2.75ghz at 1.82V on LS. But that's starting to sound lame :D.

matt9669
03-26-2005, 05:14 AM
We've tested two Venice cores (3800+ and 3500+) on multiple motherboards. I think it's safe to say there is no cold bug.

Rezag1000
03-26-2005, 07:14 AM
Did the venice work with the original bios that came with your board, or did you have to flash it?

Ackbar
03-26-2005, 07:47 AM
We've tested two Venice cores (3800+ and 3500+) on multiple motherboards. I think it's safe to say there is no cold bug.

Two CPUs and you're ready to make a generalization about the whole lot of CPUs not having a cold bug? I have no information one way or the other, but let's see what happens when these chips come out. I wouldn't be surprised if these CPUs were not typical of the lot of chips. Until I hear from several users, I'm going to hold out judgement about how well these things do in general.

Orthogonal
03-26-2005, 08:00 AM
Did the venice work with the original bios that came with your board, or did you have to flash it?

I've asked that question 2 times already in this thread and noone seems to know :mad:, or atleast won't answer. I'd like to know as well

IvanAndreevich
03-26-2005, 08:05 AM
You two are blind. 3800+ was ran on Neo2 with 1.37mod bios which is very old. Bios is only required so that the chip is detected properly but it will WORK FINE.

Vapor
03-26-2005, 08:06 AM
I've asked that question 2 times already in this thread and noone seems to know :mad:, or atleast won't answer. I'd like to know as wellIIRC, didn't he say he already had 3/10? Someone gave the idea of going back in the BIOS updates to see at what point they stop working and he thought it was a good idea...so maybe that's to come?

saaya
03-26-2005, 08:10 AM
Two CPUs and you're ready to make a generalization about the whole lot of CPUs not having a cold bug? I have no information one way or the other, but let's see what happens when these chips come out. I wouldn't be surprised if these CPUs were not typical of the lot of chips. Until I hear from several users, I'm going to hold out judgement about how well these things do in general.

i heard of only very few winchester chips that dont have a low temp bug, and actually they still have a low temp bug, they just boot at low temps, but not really low temps. from what ive heard they only go down to -30°C max and dont work at lower temps, while now we have a pair of cpus that works flawlessly at low temps down to -40°C so i think its very promising... :)

isp
03-26-2005, 08:14 AM
i heard of only very few winchester chips that dont have a low temp bug
Looks like venice is the same, OPP said it wouldn't play nice in -90s :eek:

Is -40c the coldest you can take these?

Formann
03-26-2005, 08:22 AM
i heard of only very few winchester chips that dont have a low temp bug, and actually they still have a low temp bug, they just boot at low temps, but not really low temps. from what ive heard they only go down to -30°C max and dont work at lower temps, while now we have a pair of cpus that works flawlessly at low temps down to -40°C so i think its very promising... :)

I have had 3 or 4 winnies. All bootet up and ran just fine at low temps. At boot -50c and load -44c on evap. All from different weeks. (week42, 45, 47 and 50)

I still thinks its a mobo issue cause if I start it up and then start the cooler it locks up when it hits 0c.

saaya
03-26-2005, 08:43 AM
Looks like venice is the same, OPP said it wouldn't play nice in -90s :eek:

Is -40c the coldest you can take these?

its single stage! lol, yes -40°C is the lowest his single stage unti can pull i think, but hes getting his cascade ready (-100°C load temps :D)


I have had 3 or 4 winnies. All bootet up and ran just fine at low temps. At boot -50c and load -44c on evap. All from different weeks. (week42, 45, 47 and 50)

I still thinks its a mobo issue cause if I start it up and then start the cooler it locks up when it hits 0c.
really? now thats interesting... you tried them on the dfi board, right?

Oc-cba
03-26-2005, 08:43 AM
I have had 3 or 4 winnies. All bootet up and ran just fine at low temps. At boot -50c and load -44c on evap. All from different weeks. (week42, 45, 47 and 50)

I still thinks its a mobo issue cause if I start it up and then start the cooler it locks up when it hits 0c.

I tested 3 different winnies, 1 3200 and 2 3000 on gigabyte k8ns (plain, not ultra) and DFI Ultra - d and all of them booted @ ~ -30c @ evap... plus al overclocked far higher than with air.... 3200 and 1 3000 cbbid plus 1 3000 cbbhd. I also think it might be something on the mobos (not all mobos off certain brand / model but some).

saaya
03-26-2005, 09:11 AM
hmmm very interesting then...

Orthogonal
03-26-2005, 09:16 AM
You two are blind. 3800+ was ran on Neo2 with 1.37mod bios which is very old. Bios is only required so that the chip is detected properly but it will WORK FINE.

I realized that, but that has nothing to do with this thread :stick:. I was asking about his 3500+ on the DFI Board. I've heard things on DFI-Street that the 3/10's are known to work on the new chips but they weren't sure about older BIOS's, so I wanted to know if he was perhaps using an earlier version

Oc-cba
03-26-2005, 09:33 AM
hmmm very interesting then...
this week i have 2 more 3000 and a different gigabyte mobbo to try (thing is they all go to customers, and if something goes wrong, i should pay for them (the chips, that's it....) but... hell all goes in name of overclocking sience
:D

bass
03-26-2005, 09:51 AM
Superb, I can't wait to get me one of those :toast:

saaya
03-26-2005, 09:53 AM
bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

now lets hope E4 changes that, so far i only heard that E4 had changes made in the temp probe , thats why it needs a bios update to work on almost all boards.
i really hope the low temp problems dont have to do with the manufacturing process! :(

Ackbar
03-26-2005, 10:02 AM
bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

now lets hope E4 changes that, so far i only heard that E4 had changes made in the temp probe , thats why it needs a bios update to work on almost all boards.
i really hope the low temp problems dont have to do with the manufacturing process! :(

My guess is that the "low temp bug" has to deal with the size of the core. I've been thinking about this a little, and I have a theory about why 90nm and smaller may not do well with the cold, but it's rather unsubstaniated.

MaxxxRacer
03-26-2005, 10:03 AM
well if it is about the diode i know of a fix... the two pins that read the diode temp on the mobo are on the outside edge of the cpu. just bend them outwards.. if you want to read the temps you can make some hardware to read the temps.. or if you dont care what the cpu says its temp is you can just plain cut the pins off.. no harm done.

Malachia
03-26-2005, 10:08 AM
My guess is that the "low temp bug" has to deal with the size of the core. I've been thinking about this a little, and I have a theory about why 90nm and smaller may not do well with the cold, but it's rather unsubstaniated.


and why prescott go crazy with LN2 at -190° ??:stick:

i think is amd that is doing/doing wrong on something...

Ackbar
03-26-2005, 10:20 AM
and why prescott go crazy with LN2 at -190° ??:stick:

i think is amd that is doing/doing wrong on something...

Well, like I said, it's all just an idea that I have. But I'm guessing that it's partly to do with the low power envelope of the AMD 90nm, not necessarily innately to do with the core size, but it's a consequence of it obviously.

isp
03-26-2005, 11:00 AM
bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(That's what I was sayin earlier...damn cold bug :mad: :(

We need to find out what the coldest they can go before they start flaking out

R.Rabbit
03-26-2005, 11:01 AM
this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?

R.Rabbit
03-26-2005, 11:06 AM
well if it is about the diode i know of a fix... the two pins that read the diode temp on the mobo are on the outside edge of the cpu. just bend them outwards.. if you want to read the temps you can make some hardware to read the temps.. or if you dont care what the cpu says its temp is you can just plain cut the pins off.. no harm done.
maybe some one with a winchester could try this? the solution would be the same if this is the cold bug problem, so if someone with a winnie tried this instead of venice(much to valuable at this point) that would be great

bachus_anonym
03-26-2005, 11:14 AM
Somehow I have a feeling that "Venice" core is not gonna bring more hope to cascade users than "Newcastle" and "Winnie" do now. We have seen some Winnies doing benches at 3.0-3.1GHz on phase change, though. Venice might be good for moderate-low temps but looks like too much cold renders them useless. Unless, there IS something that can be done to make it work. Let's wait for more information from OPP...

On the side note from what we see here now... I hope I'm REALLY wrong but I wouldn't be surprised when FX-57 will not match speeds FX-55 now does under cascade... Hopefully, I'm seriously OFF!

EDIT: Not that Winchester or Necastle were ever chips of choice for cascade users...

Malachia
03-26-2005, 11:18 AM
i am quite interested to know the difference between air and phase change...

saaya
03-26-2005, 12:00 PM
and why prescott go crazy with LN2 at -190° ??:stick:

i think is amd that is doing/doing wrong on something...

intel 90nm =! amd 90nm ;)


That's what I was sayin earlier...damn cold bug :mad: :(

We need to find out what the coldest they can go before they start flaking out it varies from chip to chip it seems...


this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?

never heard that they became unstable, they just didnt clock higher...
2ghz air and 2.2ghz ln2 was something common for the first a64 chips :D

nothing from opp yet... hope he posts some infos soon :)

Formann
03-26-2005, 12:12 PM
really? now thats interesting... you tried them on the dfi board, right?

Nope. Haven´t tried any in my DFI yet. Just in the Neo2 0411 Korea.

No problems what so ever. They all overclocked average. 2500-2600 on air/water, and 2900-2950 with the CPU cooler (-44c load)

Anyone got a Winnie that cant handle the cold? Give me a fair price, and Ill buy it just to prove my self wrong :)

Would be nice to get it confirmed. That its/its not just mobo issues i mean.

jinu117
03-26-2005, 01:28 PM
Well, like I said, it's all just an idea that I have. But I'm guessing that it's partly to do with the low power envelope of the AMD 90nm, not necessarily innately to do with the core size, but it's a consequence of it obviously.

Maybe maybe not.
Problem more likely is diode location inside the chip or how it is programmed. Different board will impact bootability (prime example is MSI vs Asus A8V or something 939). I've had (dis)pleasure of finding out Asus booting maybe 10-20c colder temp than MSI on same chips. Also, each winnie has different behavior on same mob. Some will boot till -20c, some till -30c, some till -50c, some will last till -60c (all evap temp) and few of them won't do anything below 0 (had 1 that actually I couldn't really find out how low as my single phase unit didn't go below -70c on evap). Now all these temps are about 5-10c off from actual evap temp is my guess even for heavily tuned Mach II unit with baker evap but there it is. Maybe venice plays nicer but who knows. There were few FX-55 that couldn't handle cascade as well. Only time will tell.

odb
03-26-2005, 02:35 PM
this doesnt look good for my future chilly1 unit, i might have to pick up a 3500+ clawhammer or something

s7e9h3n
03-26-2005, 03:11 PM
WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?
Hey bro,
I don't know if you've read through my thread about the Venice 3800+, but I CLEARLY stated that I DID try to boot 4x256 bh5 and it DID NOT WORK. I then tried only 2x256 and could boot then. BTW, the 256 sticks were all double sided. Hope that settles that.... :rolleyes:

EMC2
03-26-2005, 03:34 PM
bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

IF you get the chance and don't mind Saya... which PS and MB is Opp doing his testing with, and is it a "doesn't work at all" @-90C, or just doesn't boot, or ??? Thanks for the thread and the info in it :toast:

I suspect reset/pwr up current demand may be the issue.

bachus_anonym
03-26-2005, 03:46 PM
IF you get the chance and don't mind Saya... which PS and MB is Opp doing his testing with, and is it a "doesn't work at all" @-90C, or just doesn't boot, or ??? Thanks for the thread and the info in it :toast:

I suspect reset/pwr up current demand may be the issue.
Daniel,

That's all OPP wrote in another thread... I think he was trying that on MSI SLI, not sure though... He haven't provided any other info on the open forums as far as I searched. Still waiting :)

I Need an update like crack-head on withdrawal :D

I have the 3500 running now, it can't handle -90s, it freezes up in windows.
OPP

reject
03-26-2005, 04:19 PM
wat is sSOI?
ive only heard of SOI (silicon on insulator) SS (strained silicon) and SSDOI (a combination)
winchester doesnt have SS so that theory doesnt work :)


this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?

GuGaCoSa
03-26-2005, 04:24 PM
Any price prevision?
PS:Kick ass score @ -40c and 1.38v,i think I'll wait to catch one of these over a 3000+ winchester.

Lifthanger
03-26-2005, 05:48 PM
wat is sSOI?
ive only heard of SOI (silicon on insulator) SS (strained silicon) and SSDOI (a combination)
winchester doesnt have SS so that theory doesnt work :)

should be "strained silicon on insulator"

s7e9h3n
03-26-2005, 06:01 PM
this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?
No, it can't be sSoi. If that were the case, FX-55's would have the cold bug as well and most of them don't.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/5484/ssoi3pt.jpg

IvanAndreevich
03-26-2005, 07:30 PM
Why the hell do people assume that CBI is correct? :stick: Get your info from PDFs not from software that has been programmed by somebody who may very know less about the issue than you ;)

matt9669
03-26-2005, 08:01 PM
The FX-55 is and always has been strained silicon-on-insulator or sSOI, AMD publicly declared that at launch :up:

As for the cold bug - there are a number of theories but I personally believe it has something to do with the thermal diode reporting incorrectly, not inherent limits of the chip - AMD changed the diode with Winchester, they changed it again with Venice AFAIK and since we haven't seen new BIOSes for the chips yet (they haven't been officially launched, go figure) it's quite possible this issue could be resolved for all Venice core CPUs.

I remain optimistic! :rehab:

R.Rabbit
03-26-2005, 08:04 PM
No, it can't be sSoi. If that were the case, FX-55's would have the cold bug as well and most of them don't.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/5484/ssoi3pt.jpg
yeah i didn't think about that... hmmm, well its gotta be the diode, i wouldn't be surprised if this cold bug is an anti overclocking issue made by AMD. it would make sense becuase they designate the FX line as their enthusiest proc and conveniently(spell?) it has no cold bug... similarily as we all know its mult is unlocked
but if this where true if then logically there would be a specific temp in which the procs would stop working and all would have the same bug, not just some :shrug:

bugeyes
03-26-2005, 08:57 PM
I CLEARLY stated that I DID try to boot 4x256 bh5 and it DID NOT WORK. I then tried only 2x256 and could boot then. BTW, the 256 sticks were all double sided. Hope that settles that.... :rolleyes:

Those 256MB sticks might have had chips on both sides of the memory module
but are in fact single "banked" alot of people get confused between double banked and double sided DDR SDRAM...

To test the memory controller they will need to use 4x 512MB ram modules, these will be double banked.

wfarid
03-26-2005, 09:52 PM
wow that was awesome, :slobber: keep up the good work and THANK YOU!
can't wait to see the results on water and air...

MsB
03-26-2005, 10:04 PM
yeah i didn't think about that... hmmm, well its gotta be the diode, i wouldn't be surprised if this cold bug is an anti overclocking issue made by AMD. it would make sense becuase they designate the FX line as their enthusiest proc and conveniently(spell?) it has no cold bug... similarily as we all know its mult is unlocked
but if this where true if then logically there would be a specific temp in which the procs would stop working and all would have the same bug, not just some :shrug:
Hey everyone! Im new to the forums. i agree and wouldn't put it past amd to have put the bug in intentially. I too remain optomistic and from the results I've seen I am looking forward to seeing what the san diegos can do since that was my next proc to upgrade to. I dont really care a bout a cold bug myself as I use water, As long as I can get a reasonable oc say 4ghz to 6 ghz Id be happy as a peach seed in a field of manure. I just want to be able to do it with 4 sticks of ddr.

reject
03-26-2005, 10:36 PM
no way amd has nothing againt overclockers, in fact the reason that they superlocked athon xps was to stop unscrupulous resellers increasing multi and then charging for a better cpu in prebuilt computers

Ackbar
03-26-2005, 10:58 PM
Kinda off topic... but I just want to say that Saaya has been doing a good job of posting this topic to other forums! I'm sure a lot of people in other forums that don't post on other forums are VERY interested in the happenings of the Venice and don't always know where to get the best info. :toast:

Ferry82
03-27-2005, 02:08 AM
Any new results?????????????

kiwi
03-27-2005, 02:28 AM
I haven't read all posts but when do we see Venice core cpus in stores?

pancake
03-27-2005, 02:44 AM
nice results. april 4th for venice i beleive

joe2004
03-27-2005, 08:44 AM
Crank that voltage up man, what the heck you have phase change for! :D
I wanna see maximum overclock not the low voltage. :toast:

Vassili
03-27-2005, 09:15 AM
PCICE, nice job. I have bookmarked this topic, hoping that you're update comes soon. :bows:

isp
03-27-2005, 09:22 AM
Did he get it back from OPP yet to test it some more?

trakslacker
03-27-2005, 09:32 AM
Hey everyone! Im new to the forums. i agree and wouldn't put it past amd to have put the bug in intentially. I too remain optomistic and from the results I've seen I am looking forward to seeing what the san diegos can do since that was my next proc to upgrade to. I dont really care a bout a cold bug myself as I use water, As long as I can get a reasonable oc say 4ghz to 6 ghz Id be happy as a peach seed in a field of manure. I just want to be able to do it with 4 sticks of ddr.

First off, Welcome to XS! :toast:

Second, there is no way that you are gonna see any AMD chips hitting 4Ghz on water anytime soon, let alone 6Ghz. That is Intel territory.

I do believe 4Ghz may be attainable for a San Diego core under a -100C Cascade, but not water. And even then, I'd consider $Ghz on any AMD proc to be far better than a "reasonable OC", as right now that is basically the holy grail for everyone here. Anywho, welcome again and enjoy yourself! This is without a doubt the most knowledgeable and helpful overclocking community on the net. Make yourself at home. :)

MsB
03-27-2005, 11:05 AM
First off, Welcome to XS! :toast:

Second, there is no way that you are gonna see any AMD chips hitting 4Ghz on water anytime soon, let alone 6Ghz. That is Intel territory.

I do believe 4Ghz may be attainable for a San Diego core under a -100C Cascade, but not water. And even then, I'd consider $Ghz on any AMD proc to be far better than a "reasonable OC", as right now that is basically the holy grail for everyone here. Anywho, welcome again and enjoy yourself! This is without a doubt the most knowledgeable and helpful overclocking community on the net. Make yourself at home. :)

LOL Actually, I misspoke I was half asleep when wrote that, doh, I meant 400 mghz to 600 mghz. I now get extra 460 mghz out of my winnie 3500+ on water. I was hoping with a san diego I should be able to 3.0-3.4 ghz on water. With 1 mgb of cache that should be a very nice performer, expecially if it could be done on 4 x 512 mb sticks of ddr.

winston64
03-27-2005, 11:14 AM
Hey :d its like a week till april 4th already. haven't they given prelim prices on these?

Fairydust
03-27-2005, 11:53 AM
I don't think AMD will change the prices, as it is simply a revision change. Of course most dealers will charge a small premium in the first few weeks to get rid of the old stock.

Hallowed
03-27-2005, 12:35 PM
This chip has been tossed around for what... 4 days and noone has bothered to test 4x512 1T yet?

Its the burning question we all have. :stick: :(