venice on ice 2850mhz 1.38v -40°C

[saaya]

first of all BIG thanks to s7e9h3n for making this preview possible!
thanks a lot for bringing those chips to XS and letting us freeze and torture them :D
and of course big thanks to our trusty member chunkylover77 for letting us play with his 3500+!
thx a lot guys!
:banana: :bday2: :toast: :bday2: :banana:





after last weeks results of a 3800+ venice from s7e9h3n here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56313)
pc ice now received the 3500+ venice from to s7e9h3n to play with it using his phase change skills :D
and it looks like the low temp bug is gone!!! :banana:
i will keep adding more results here step by step :D




EDIT: bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

now lets hope E4 changes that, so far i only heard that E4 had changes made in the temp probe , thats why it needs a bios update to work on almost all boards.
i really hope the low temp problems dont have to do with the manufacturing process! :(







phase change cooled system specs:

AMD 3500+ 2.2ghz dafault vcore 1.4v 90nm Rev E3 Venice core @-40°C
pc ice single stage phase change cooling
DFI NF4 ultra D bios 3/14
2x512mb G-SKILL PC4800FF @ddr660 2.5-3-3-6 1T
SAPPHIRE X850XTPE 688 / 644
OCZ POWERSTREAM 420w







here are the first results at stock speed (11x200):

................cpu-z............... ......sandra arythmetic....... ........sandra memory........ ...........3dmark 2001......... .........3dmark 2003.......... ..........3dmark 2005.........
http://img236.exs.cx/img236/8536/17jz.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=17jz.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/4587/28nf.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=28nf.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2586/33yi.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=33yi.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/5421/44sr.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=44sr.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2220/52yo.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=52yo.gif) http://img236.exs.cx/img236/8451/67ji.th.gif (http://img236.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img236&image=67ji.gif)
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the bios undervolts, bump to 1.4v real gives 2850mhz:

.........sandra memory........ ........sandra memory........ ......sandra arythmetic....... ...........3dmark 2001......... ...........3dmark 2001.........
http://img53.exs.cx/img53/3742/72xn.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=72xn.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/4710/86bi.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=86bi.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/9889/97uv.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=97uv.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/8941/109wu.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=109wu.gif) http://img53.exs.cx/img53/774/116ce.th.gif (http://img53.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img53&image=116ce.gif)
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2950mhz with still the same vcore (1.4v): :D

.........sandra memory........ ......sandra arythmetic....... ............superPI 1M.......... .............the cooling..........
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/5607/123mc.th.gif (http://img130.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img130&image=123mc.gif) http://img130.exs.cx/img130/5562/130ml.th.gif (http://img130.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img130&image=130ml.gif) http://img130.exs.cx/img130/4328/143qw.th.gif (http://img130.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img130&image=143qw.gif) http://img209.exs.cx/img209/7910/155yr.th.jpg (http://img209.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img209&image=155yr.jpg)
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3ghz and still default vcore (1.4v) : :D

........sandra memory........ ........sandra memory........ ...........3dmark 2001......... ............aquamark3.......... ............aquamark3..........
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/9135/165yt.th.gif (http://img76.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img76&image=165yt.gif) http://img76.exs.cx/img76/7181/176ul.th.gif (http://img76.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img76&image=176ul.gif) http://img169.exs.cx/img169/9251/186wz.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=186wz.gif) http://img169.exs.cx/img169/1811/196gc.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=196gc.gif) http://img169.exs.cx/img169/3509/209za.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=209za.gif)
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3100mhz and still default vcore!!! (1.4v) : :eek:

..............cpu-z.............. ..............cpu-z..............
http://img169.exs.cx/img169/6725/213ew.th.gif (http://img169.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img169&image=213ew.gif) http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8203/222cx.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=222cx.gif)

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320fsb seems to be no problem for this memory controller :

................cpu-z............... ........sandra memory........ ........sandra memory........
http://img77.exs.cx/img77/1729/233vt.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=233vt.gif) http://img77.exs.cx/img77/6921/244it.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=244it.gif) http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8589/252sm.th.gif (http://img208.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img208&image=252sm.gif)
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watercooled system specs:

AMD 3500+ 2.2ghz dafault vcore 1.4v 90nm Rev E3 Venice core
asetek waterchill
DFI NF4 ultra D bios 3/14
2x512mb G-SKILL PC4800FF @ddr660 2.5-3-3-6 1T
SAPPHIRE X850XTPE
OCZ POWERSTREAM 420w






stock 11x200 and 11x220 2420mhz :

...............cpu-z................ ...............cpu-z................ ........sandra memory........ ......sandra arythmetic....... .............waterblock........... ...........idle temps............
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4079/219vq.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=219vq.gif) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4403/311dh.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=311dh.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/6695/325ka.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=325ka.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/5592/337xi.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=337xi.gif) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/7338/249js.th.jpg (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=249js.jpg) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/6007/256do.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=256do.gif)
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11x240 2640mhz :

...............cpu-z................ .......sandra arythmetic...... ........sandra memory........
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/6702/221xt.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=221xt.gif) http://img110.exs.cx/img110/1657/237ho.th.gif (http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=237ho.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/5467/346gb.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=346gb.gif)
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11x260 2860mhz and 11x258 2838mhz :

...............cpu-z................ .......sandra arythmetic...... ........sandra memory........ .......sandra memory......... ...........3dmark 2001......... ...........3dmark 2001........
http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5929/263qy.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=263qy.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/7260/277hd.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=277hd.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/6869/283tz.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=283tz.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/8647/295rr.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=295rr.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5378/2103gr.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=2103gr.gif) http://img113.exs.cx/img113/5337/2110dg.th.gif (http://img113.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img113&image=2110dg.gif)
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memory controller oddities :

..............sandra............... .............sandra...............
http://img127.exs.cx/img127/7985/353qt.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=353qt.gif) http://img127.exs.cx/img127/2237/362ci.th.gif (http://img127.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img127&image=362ci.gif)
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update:
cpu-z 1.27.2 or the latest CBID couldnt recognize the cpu either, dave will try to use cpu-z 1.27.2 to verify a shot though :)

update:
the superpi version he used was not sse3 patched, but he will test superpi with and without the sse3 patch to see what the difference is and how much sse3 helps those chips to perform :)

update:
the bios incompability issues you have all heard about are about the E4 stepping (san diego 1024kb L2 cache 90nm) not the E3 (venice 512kb L2 cache 90nm) so you dont need a bios update for the venice chips that will be released on april 4th

update:
we will add watercooled and aircooled results later :D

update:
please stop pming pc ice! hes very busy atm pushing this baby even further :D

update:
the screenshot indicates he is running 2GB of memory, this is a bug!
however, he will test with 4 DS 512mb sticks and post results :)

update:
bad news, pc ice hurt his back has the water and air results on a raid array he has problems accessing now. he will post the results asap though.
lets all wish dave to get well again soon :toast:

update:
more than stock vcore barely seems to do anything to this chip :(
lets hope that its just because this is an early chip and that future chips will scale better with more vcore. and 2.8ghz with stock vcore on water is not a bad result by any means :D

update:
pc ice tried it again under his cascade and the chip didnt boot at -90°C either, so theres def a low temp bug. :/
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/2443/dsc003964gl.th.jpg (http://img100.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img100&image=dsc003964gl.jpg) http://img100.exs.cx/img100/5/dsc004079qm.th.jpg (http://img100.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img100&image=dsc004079qm.jpg)


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[Alec]

woah! Thats a sweet overclock man! :toast:
crank those volts up a bit and lets see 3GHz!

Awsome 3dmark 2k1 scores too.

[Richie]

Woah! .6ghz improvement with stock volts! nice work man, thats a sexy chip,

really goes to show that 3d mark 2001 is based alot on CPU, as i use to think that 3dmarks were mostly video card related. thats a great improvement,

thanks for pics :p: Good work :toast: :banana: :up:

[conrad.maranan]

Take note of the 2GB of RAM at 285MHz 2.5-3-3-7. :rehab:

[saaya]

Take note of the 2GB of RAM at 285MHz 2.5-3-3-7. :rehab:

yeah and dave said it could do 330mhz :o
dont know if thats with 2gb though :D

great work dave! keep pushing that baby :D :toast:

[conrad.maranan]

yeah and dave said it could do 330mhz :o
dont know if thats with 2gb though :D
I'm pretty sure it is. Those new memory controllers rock! :rocker:

[bachus_anonym]

Nice! I believe CPU-Z showing 2048MB is a bug, right?

also...


G-SKILL XXXXXXXX @ddr660 2.5-3-3-6 1T???

[conrad.maranan]

bachus_anonym - It's not a bug. And about the G.Skill, I'll keep my mouth shut and let pc ice do the talking. ;)

[bachus_anonym]

bachus_anonym - It's not a bug. And about the G.Skill, I'll keep my mouth shut and let pc ice do the talking. ;)
are you sure, Conrad ? - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=766131&postcount=430

otherwise, it would be awesome :)

maybe that gskill is FF... let's wait for pc ice...

EDIT: Just looked at Sandra... "Memory used by test - 512MB"

So it's 1GB ;)

[conrad.maranan]

You're right. I was just looking at that as well.

[googles]

at last a 3500+ venice being tested ;)
looking forward to more results...

[saaya]

EDIT: Just looked at Sandra... "Memory used by test - 512MB"

So it's 1GB ;)

:doh:

should have seen this as well :D

[gundamit]

EDIT: Just looked at Sandra... "Memory used by test - 512MB"
So it's 1GB ;) Dang! Too late! I saw the same thing well after I had already crapped my pants! Would still like to know if 4x512 will run 1T. Wouldn't mind if it results in slighty lower OC, but don't want the double whammy of lower HTT and 2T timing.

[Evil_Spork]

woot!

*buys a 3200+*

[MaxxxRacer]

I just fell out of my chair... stock volts and 2.8ghz.... i think i smell 4ghz on venice!! Dont call me ti4200 but I think we got something here.

Cant wait to get my winnie out of here and grab a venice.

[skate2snow]

probably he has 4x512Mb and we dont see lower? Because that would be the first time I see CPUZ showing bad memory size.... If it is a bug, it is probably because of the new Memory Controller?

[matt9669]

Just FYI:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=283&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

It's up on the front page! :up:

[skate2snow]

I just fell out of my chair... stock volts and 2.8ghz.... i think i smell 4ghz on venice!! Dont call me ti4200 but I think we got something here.

Cant wait to get my winnie out of here and grab a venice.Its doing a while GeForce ain`t connected.... you are replacing him? lol

[Mastakilla]

in the 3th screenshot (sisoft sandra mem bench) u can clearly see its 2x 512MB

u can also see some of the timings..

does that "2CMD" mean its only running at 2T?

also im wondering why its only using 2 way mem interleaving?
isnt that normally 4 way?

intresting results btw, would love to know how it does at normal temps too though ;)

[Th3__W00T_GuY__]

omg rocks!!!

[saaya]

in the 3th screenshot (sisoft sandra mem bench) u can clearly see its 2x 512MB

u can also see some of the timings..

does that "2CMD" mean its only running at 2T?

also im wondering why its only using 2 way mem interleaving?
isnt that normally 4 way?

intresting results btw, would love to know how it does at normal temps too though ;)

if we have enough time dave will also post watercooling and air cooling results :)

[Master_G]

What's that you say? Cold bug gone?
:banana: Hot diggity damn :banana:
I'm going to see what my LS can do with one of these babys ASAP. Might have to change my :rolleyes: motherboard though.

G

[odb]

thats pretty damn good results so far, any preorders online anywhere yet? heh

[cyph3r]

and which is the stepping ?

[saaya]

ADA3500DAA4BP
CBBLE 0504EPAW

same as the 3500+ from steven i think :)

[Hallowed]

And to think were still sub 3G's yet.

Badass chips.

[[XC] leviathan18]

i hope to buy a 3200 an oc to 2.8ghz on water....

[agenda2005]

Can someone run 4 double sided dimms with this CPU and lets laid the speculation to rest.

[perkam]

OMG This must have been the fastest Sticky ever !!!

Amazing stuff PC-Ice ! But lets see some 3ghz+ results !

Perkam

[saaya]

i asked dave already, but i think he locked himself in his hardware lab :lol:
cant blame him though, id do the same with such a sweet chip :D

[SLaY3r07]

Man that's sweet :rocker:

[saaya]

update:
1.4v undervolts in bios, bumped up to 1.4v vcore real
how about 2950mhz stock vcore? :D

[SIOUX]

OMFG...i must be a dream :slobber: :slobber: :rehab:

[d@rkn1ko]

very nice

it's cpu@-40° or evap @-40?

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

O_O
thats just beautiful. Maybe now AMD will start clock-scaling like Intel, but actually performing? :)
AMD must come out with higher models of those babies clocked at 2.8GHz+!

[NoStra]

Nice results.....but I want to see what the venice core does with 1.7V!!!

[Cornelious0_0]

Good lord, maybe it's a good thing I couldn't get my 3200+ when I wanted.....seems this IS going to be the chip to have...or any other Venice for that matter....fricken amazing. :toast:

[Stewie007]

Wow, that's clocking beautifully!

*grins* I wonder if the San Diego will do better :)

[bachus_anonym]

Nice results.....but I want to see what the venice core does with 1.7V!!!
same here... also, maybe some more benches, please :D

[alexio]

2950mhz at 1.4V is insane

[saaya]

very nice

it's cpu@-40° or evap @-40?

since its a single stage cooler by pc ice himself i think its -40°C cpu temp and not evap :)
but im not sure... i asked him already but hes busy benching :D


O_O
thats just beautiful. Maybe now AMD will start clock-scaling like Intel, but actually performing? :)
AMD must come out with higher models of those babies clocked at 2.8GHz+!

you mean fx57? its comming out soon :D


Nice results.....but I want to see what the venice core does with 1.7V!!!
check this thread again tomorrow :D
as i said, i will keep updating the thread :D


Wow, that's clocking beautifully!

*grins* I wonder if the San Diego will do better :)
why should it do better?


same here... also, maybe some more benches, please :D
i forwarded this to dave as well... but as i said... :D

[kappa2001]

So they perform well at low vcore...
What about high vcore?
you should also give it a run with aircooling so we can have the results of 2 different processors and have an early average :p

[saaya]

So they perform well at low vcore...
What about high vcore?
you should also give it a run with aircooling so we can have the results of 2 different processors and have an early average :p

dave will test it with phase change cooling first, then water, then air :D
if theres not enough time he might have to ditch the aircooling though...

i think steven who also found an amd venice on his doorstep did some tests with air, no?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56313

[d@rkn1ko]

-40 cpu on single stage really hard

[perkam]

Whats its max on air though ? Thats what I want to know :D

Perkam

[HousERaT]

my mouth is watering so bad for one of these things...... I'm quite sure 3Ghz is reasonable with more voltage..... maybe even possible with a good air cooling setup..... I'll be happy to try.

[Cornelious0_0]

Same here, I'd like to see some air and water results...as well as higher vcore results......

[Alec]

OMFG those are some insane clocks man!

Perkam,
I think it will do teh same kinda clocks on air as it is doing under phase change but I think it may require slightly higher volts... When I get one; its going streight under the best watercooling system money can afford! :D

I bet this chip could probs do atleast 3.1GHz...

Alec

[perkam]

Ty, Alec, but what cooling are these chips on ? and can PC Ice test with a Winnie at the same spec, I want to see the diff between Winnie and Venice at same speed in 01/03, etc.

Perkam

[STEvil]

I might have to pull from the emergency fund... lol :D

[Alec]

under phase change...
depends what winchester; go to the winchester oc stickie and see what the top 3500+ winchester clocks are (uner a similar phase change system).

I think the 3500+s do about 2.7 to 2.8GHz at high volts on maybe air and most likelly water.

My winchester does 2.6GHz @ 1.425vcore and 2.7GHz @ 1.575Vcore; so you can definatelly see a big difference in volts required in the two different steppings.


Alec

[isp]

Nice results with the phase change, no doubt.

Now how about air? :)

[cheece2001]

omg thats an amazing hcip. I am going to get my hands on those babies right when they hot the market. can't wait. I woun't regret moving from intel to amd now. :)

[saaya]

-40 cpu on single stage really hard

and pc ice is really good :D


it was cpu temp's.


Ty, Alec, but what cooling are these chips on ? and can PC Ice test with a Winnie at the same spec, I want to see the diff between Winnie and Venice at same speed in 01/03, etc.

Perkam
winnies dont run at -temps :slap: :P

a winnie at 2.2ghz would be cool to compare, but he doesnt have one afaik, and i dont think there would be a difference...

[...:::MadDog:::]

wOw... 2950 @ 1.40 its amazing...

[crafty]

I've got a brand new DFI ultra-d w/ 2x512 OCZ VX 4000 but no processor... I can't wait for one of these bad boys! Looks like my first overclocking experience will be a good one :)

(btw... my first post :))

[Master_G]

Welcome to the forum crafty! :)
What cooling will you be using?

G

[Alec]

I've got a brand new DFI ultra-d w/ 2x512 OCZ VX 4000 but no processor... I can't wait for one of these bad boys! Looks like my first xtreme overclocking experience will be a good one :)

(btw... my first post :))
Welcome to XtremeSystems, Crafty. The place where we overclock the hell out of our pcs! :rehab:
Youve got a nice motherboard and RAM there; a 3500+ or 3800+ venis would definatelly make your rig run at its full potential!

What cooling do you think your going to use?

Alec

[mcnbns]

Yay for Venice!

I'm loving this! These next couple months are going to be fun!

Now all we need is for Sapphire's mobo to come out... :devil: :rehab:

[crafty]

Thanks for the welcome guys. I'm going to be starting off with an xp-90 and switching to water soon after. I've never built a watercooling kit before so I'm afraid to start off from scratch with a brand new machine :)

[chunkylover77]

SWEET!!!!!!! Man I hope my 3500 venice chip does as well as this one.
:welcome: to you Crafty. You have just joined the most knowledgeable overclocking forum on the planet

[slayer899]

Yay for Venice!

I'm loving this! These next couple months are going to be fun!

Now all we need is for Sapphire's mobo to come out... :devil: :rehab:

YES :bounces:

[agenda2005]

I might have to pull from the emergency fund... lol :D

Me too :)

[derubermensch1]

I can't wait to hear if that g.skill is FF with the supposed DDR600 1T guarantee or not as well ; ) Good thing I waited to upgrade if both of these are around the corner : )

I am new to the forums as well and am considering the same purchase as crafty with the DFI and VX : ) What concerns me is if we both have the boards and the memory and no cpu and we wait until venice ships, how will we be able to run it if the board needs a bios flash (DFI's are still shipping with 1/25 I believe?) Will it even let you boot with a floppy to flash or will we have to a) wait for a board with a shipping bios that supports venice b) buy a winchester or newcastle just to flash the bios c) something else my newbie a$s hasnt thought of : ) Figured I'd bring this up as crafty is in the same boat as me : ) I posted this elsewhere but no one really got back : ) Feel free to PM me an answer if this is too borderline and considered hijacking, dont want to pi$s anyone off my first day : P

Definitely curious about max oc with good air cooling...the anticipation is killing me, is that g.skill FF???? : )

[chunkylover77]

I can't wait to hear if that g.skill is FF with the supposed DDR600 1T guarantee or not as well ; ) Good thing I waited to upgrade if both of these are around the corner : )

I am new to the forums as well and am considering the same purchase as crafty with the DFI and VX : ) What concerns me is if we both have the boards and the memory and no cpu and we wait until venice ships, how will we be able to run it if the board needs a bios flash (DFI's are still shipping with 1/25 I believe?) Will it even let you boot with a floppy to flash or will we have to a) wait for a board with a shipping bios that supports venice b) buy a winchester or newcastle just to flash the bios c) something else my newbie a$s hasnt thought of : ) Figured I'd bring this up as crafty is in the same boat as me : ) I posted this elsewhere but no one really got back : ) Feel free to PM me an answer if this is too borderline and considered hijacking, dont want to pi$s anyone off my first day : P

Definitely curious about max oc with good air cooling...the anticipation is killing me, is that g.skill FF???? : )


I'm in the same boat as you with the bios flash. I get venice chip next week and I want to know if it will be recognized by the DFI board in particular. I also dont have another 939 chip laying around.

[Magnj]

yay, too bad I just bought a Super Castle. Thats ok, I'll let you crazy people find al lthe bugs first :P.

Please bench on Air

[Onepagebook]

you don't have to put those many "X" after Gskill..:D
I believe the pair of xxxx is the world's first one :rehab:
Nice results.

[bachus_anonym]

you guy's havnt seen nothing yet. ;) im droping the chip off to OPP so he can baby sit it while i work today.. :D but i do know 1 thing is when these chip's are in store's im getting more than 1 of them..bad AZZ chip this is..

the -40c unit is used look's like this one.very simple unit.
Would that mean no tests on AIR ??? Only single-stage and cascade benching? I can't say I'm happy now, bud :(

you don't have to put those many "X" after Gskill..:D
I believe the pair of xxxx is the world's first one :rehab:
Nice results.Is that FF then, Kevin or PC5200 ??? :D

[crafty]

I can't wait to hear if that g.skill is FF with the supposed DDR600 1T guarantee or not as well ; ) Good thing I waited to upgrade if both of these are around the corner : )

I am new to the forums as well and am considering the same purchase as crafty with the DFI and VX : ) What concerns me is if we both have the boards and the memory and no cpu and we wait until venice ships, how will we be able to run it if the board needs a bios flash (DFI's are still shipping with 1/25 I believe?) Will it even let you boot with a floppy to flash or will we have to a) wait for a board with a shipping bios that supports venice b) buy a winchester or newcastle just to flash the bios c) something else my newbie a$s hasnt thought of : ) Figured I'd bring this up as crafty is in the same boat as me : ) I posted this elsewhere but no one really got back : ) Feel free to PM me an answer if this is too borderline and considered hijacking, dont want to pi$s anyone off my first day : P

Definitely curious about max oc with good air cooling...the anticipation is killing me, is that g.skill FF???? : )

Two (3?) Venices have has overclocking results shown on this forum. I'm fairly sure we'll be able to boot with the venice chips and then update the bios. If not, :confused: :slobber: :( :mad:

[UCmajewski]

hmm looks like I need to wait for venice!

[bachus_anonym]

you can be sad if you want..like i have siad a thousand times now..I WILL HAVE AIR / WATER result's..YES I WILL....
Great then! Don't be so nervous, pc ice... ;) (sits back and waits)

[Evil_Spork]

you don't have to put those many "X" after Gskill..:D
I believe the pair of xxxx is the world's first one :rehab:
Nice results.
:lol:

even you dont have any! :eek: :p:

so far so good. venice looks to be close to what all the hype has been saying. :)

[Th3__W00T_GuY__]

go 4 water man! :D

[SET]

Good sounds

Beautiful images.

Very nice Clocks

I want to see results of 3200 +...

[enduracell]

Great job guys :toast:
Quick question: does E0 need a BIOS update on DFI to run or is it ok w/ last one? Thank you.

[ben805]

do you guys know what is the going price for these new Venice when they hit the street? I think they'll be a few versions....3000, 3200, 3500, and 3800?

[derubermensch1]

I hope so crafty : ) I just hoping our shipping bios will work is mainly what im concerned with because I know there's none of them out now shipping with 3/10. I wonder if whoever has these venice chips and a DFI could see how far back in bios revisions on the DFI a venice is compatible with ; )

And I apologize for not checking my other thread first for more responses on the bios thing, I have it set for instant email notification but I only get them every once in awhile for some reason and not after every reply so if I made it seem like others weren't being helpful I apologize : )

[Alec]

sweet stuff :D
Have you managed to get her to do 3GHz yet?

Alec

[derubermensch1]

Thanks, I'm glad I had some helpful input being new and all : ) Hope it goes well for you guys. This would greatly alleviate my concerns about purchasing an Ultra-D as I have the feeling they won't revamp the shipping bios until after venice is out and then i would have to wait even longer!

[enok]

omfg... this newest chips will rock!!! :D
can't wait to see San Diego! :D

[shuRe]

only 2.75-2.85 on water? :(

i see newcastles doing 2.9 suicide on stock cooling around!

[tbone]

only 2.75-2.85 on water? :(

i see newcastles doing 2.9 suicide on stock cooling around!
With stock volts it does that.

[Alec]

yeh... now imagine it at 1.6 - 1.7vcore!!!

[blinky]

ok... can we see some high vcore results

people dont stay at 1.4v with -40c :p:

[uwackme]

If one of you guys dont put 4 512M sticks in and test the memeory controller, Im gonna STRANGLE SOMEONE!!!!!

DO IT DAMMIT .... DO IT DO IT DO IT :banana:

[JDizzle]

How does it respond to higher voltages? 2.95GHZ on stock vcore is great but will it continue to scale this good with higher voltages?

[Ackbar]

How does it respond to higher voltages? 2.95GHZ on stock vcore is great but will it continue to scale this good with higher voltages?

Same question here. If you guys look at the Clawhammer 3500+ thread you'll notice a common theme that people can do 2600 at around stock voltage, but going to 2700 has no bearing on voltage. So basically 2700 can not be achieved even though 2600 can be done at stock volts! I found this to be very odd... but now that I've seen to be true, I feel that unless someone shows me the max overclock at whatever voltage, I won't feel sure that the CPU can necessarily do more than that.

[Korpse]

holy crap!!!

i gunna have to save for 1 of these babies now instead of gettin a cheap ass ( but good) winnie

im gettin a cascade from pc-ice which will do -100c so im guessing from a 3500/3800 - ill see WAY past 3ghz :D

EDIT - PCICE you got my pm? cos i pmed you like 3 days ago and no reply yet :P:

[MaxxxRacer]

Ice, bring it over to my house for some fun on water.. just come by after work....

i warn you though, my mobo has lock jaw and might not give you the chip back :p:

[mcnbns]

If one of you guys dont put 4 512M sticks in and test the memeory controller, Im gonna STRANGLE SOMEONE!!!!!
Look a little closer at some of the screens, bro. ;)

EDIT: Have a pic link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27376&stc=1

[situman]

Take note of the 2GB of RAM at 285MHz 2.5-3-3-7. :rehab:

It looks for be 2T command rate

[bachus_anonym]

Look a little closer at some of the screens, bro. ;)

It looks for be 2T command rateGuys, this has been said at the beginning of this thread... It is NOT 4x512MB... It seems like CPU-Z reports wrong amount of RAM when running Venice... It was with 3800+ and now 3500+ that pc ice is testing...

[situman]

i thought the DFI doesnt have a bios that supports the new Venice cores, apparently they do now.

[cheece2001]

they do have a bios that supports the venice ? (DFI) of so then i am so releaved becuase i am getting a dfi mobo and the venice and i hope dfi ill support the vence and then let me update the bios. caues i don't have any other 939 cihp laying around.

[IvanAndreevich]

You don't need a special bios to support Venice.

pc ice
1.4V? Awww.. give it hell, would ya?

[s7e9h3n]

they do have a bios that supports the venice ? (DFI) of so then i am so releaved becuase i am getting a dfi mobo and the venice and i hope dfi ill support the vence and then let me update the bios. caues i don't have any other 939 cihp laying around.
Pc Ice - Please allow me........
THE NEW REVISION VENICE (E3) CPU'S DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CURRENT NF CHIPSETS!!!!
I had no problems booting the 3800+ with my old MSI Neo2 NF3 mobo and it seems as if PcIce is doing well with the DFI NF4 board. My 3800+ did 3ghz @ default vcore but wasn't stable. These are obviously some awesome cpu's. I'm expecting to see a bench @ 3.4G with this cpu ;) ...............

[Bennah]

any suicide screenies yet? I wonder what the 3800+ does :D


I love the simple single stage unit :slobber:
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/4988/159ft.jpg

[s7e9h3n]

Pc Ice - Please allow me........
THE NEW REVISION VENICE (E3) CPU'S DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CURRENT NF CHIPSETS!!!!
I had no problems booting the 3800+ with my old MSI Neo2 NF3 mobo and it seems as if PcIce is doing well with the DFI NF4 board. My 3800+ did 3ghz @ default vcore but wasn't stable. These are obviously some awesome cpu's. I'm expecting to see a bench @ 3.4G with this cpu ;) ...............
Oh, and I forgot to say....for those that are wondering if these cpu's scale with voltage: They do scale, and very well if I may add. My 3800+ could take up to ~1.75-1.8V and didn't explode. But upping the Vcore didn't help beyond somewhere in the range of 1.65-1.7. Than again, you never know what a cascade could do with these Venices :)

[R.Rabbit]

whats the max??! including more vcore that is, come on ICE your toying with us!

[saaya]

holy crap!!!

i gunna have to save for 1 of these babies now instead of gettin a cheap ass ( but good) winnie

im gettin a cascade from pc-ice which will do -100c so im guessing from a 3500/3800 - ill see WAY past 3ghz :D

EDIT - PCICE you got my pm? cos i pmed you like 3 days ago and no reply yet :P:

please give him a break man! hes busy and your not the only one pming him, people, please give him a break!


Pc Ice - Please allow me........
THE NEW REVISION VENICE (E3) CPU'S DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WITH CURRENT NF CHIPSETS!!!!
I had no problems booting the 3800+ with my old MSI Neo2 NF3 mobo and it seems as if PcIce is doing well with the DFI NF4 board. My 3800+ did 3ghz @ default vcore but wasn't stable. These are obviously some awesome cpu's. I'm expecting to see a bench @ 3.4G with this cpu ;) ...............

the bios incompability you have all heard about is with the amd 90nm REV E4 chips, not E3! E4 is san diego (1mb l2 cache 90nm) :)

[saaya]

update:
3ghz with stock vcore anybody? :D :rocker:

[Bennah]

please give him a break man! hes busy and your not the only one pming him, people, please give him a break!



here here!

[s7e9h3n]

update:
3ghz with stock vcore anybody? :D :rocker:



Wow, that is some serious memory...... ;)

BTW - What resolution is xp set at? The screenies look kinda funny..... Actually, it looks like there are artifacts.....:p:

[Always]

The wait has been well worth it, 3Ghz@1,4v :slobber:

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.

[S0nic]

hmm, could u do 300 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 with clawhammer/newcastle/winchester too or is it only possible with venice? does that give better performance than say 265 2-2-2-x with VX?

[Jort]

Wow, that is some serious memory...... ;)

BTW - What resolution is xp set at? The screenies look kinda funny..... Actually, it looks like there are artifacts.....:p:

set you resolution to 1024 or more and not to 640*480 :p:

[s7e9h3n]

The wait has been well worth it, 3Ghz@1,4v :slobber:

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.
You need 100+ posts to view ;)

[Jort]

The wait has been well worth it, 3Ghz@1,4v :slobber:

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.
MUST have 100 posts to post in here...

edit: lol fast reaction here :D

[isp]

BTW, what's needed to acces the thread were PC ICE sells cooling gear?I get a message saying I haven't got enough privileges to acces that thread.
You need to meet a certain requirement of posts. I believe it is 100. I am not positive though. If you're really interested just PM pcice and I'm sure you guys can go from there. :)


hmm, could u do 300 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 with clawhammer/newcastle/winchester too or is it only possible with venice? does that give better performance than say 265 2-2-2-x with VX?
That's been a hot topic around here for a while. It would be close. Check Xtreme bandwidth section for threads like this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55318).

[metro.cl]

awsome chip, ill wait for the air cooled tests, also try some more vcore ;)

[s7e9h3n]

Double Jinx :D

[Always]

Thumbs up to your quick answering m8s. I agree with s7e9h3n, quite good mem sticks there :D . Do the few Venice cores that have emerged have similar steppings? As far as I know they're all week 4 2005, am I right?

[s7e9h3n]

Thumbs up to your quick answering m8s. I agree with s7e9h3n, quite good mem sticks there :D . Do the few Venice cores that have emerged have similar steppings? As far as I know they're all week 4 2005, am I right?
0504 isn't the stepping it's only the production date, and to my knowledge, yes, they'll all be similar.....

[Merconium]

Thanks for keeping us posted!

[Always]

0504 isn't the stepping it's only the production date, and to my knowledge, yes, they'll all be similar.....

When you refer to stepping you mean the production date + the next 4 letters(3 sometimes)? I was meaning that in my last post, but just stating after the question that the chips were all from week 4.

[danbob]

wow, thats crazy. 3.0 ghz on stock vcore

[REDKEN]

Sheeshh!! You blink for a moment and the BAM!! a 119 thread about the new venice.
Kind of keeps you on your feet:)

P.S: See 3 more posts while I was writing this :p:

[Patrickclouds]

nice chips,
they seem to oc very well.
i hope they are available soon

[LowRun]

Hehe, things are getting interesting :D

[althes]

This is becomingb ton of fun

[iboomalot]

I wonder how fast a Dual version of this chip would be??? Intel would be hurting badly 3.2 ghz DUAL vs a 3.0 ghz Dual Venice OUCH!!!!!!!! that would be painfull

[Nubius]

Rather noobish question here, but how would you know if your chip is the E3 revision vs E4?

[saaya]

Wow, that is some serious memory...... ;)

BTW - What resolution is xp set at? The screenies look kinda funny..... Actually, it looks like there are artifacts.....:p:

check his card clocks :D


hmm, could u do 300 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 with clawhammer/newcastle/winchester too or is it only possible with venice? does that give better performance than say 265 2-2-2-x with VX?

welcome to XtremeSystems :toast: you need 100 posts to be allowed into the for sale and trade section of xs, no spamming allowed! ;)


nice chips,
they seem to oc very well.
i hope they are available soon
april 4th, and they should be available very fast after the launch :)


I wonder how fast a Dual version of this chip would be??? Intel would be hurting badly 3.2 ghz DUAL vs a 3.0 ghz Dual Venice OUCH!!!!!!!! that would be painfull
the dual core chip even has 1mb L2 cache for each cpu ;)
for more details check the dual core preview thread wich is also stickied in the amd section :D
some italian site tested it, their cpu ran at 2.4ghz stock, so yeah, the amd dual core cpus should kick some mayor 4ss :D


Rather noobish question here, but how would you know if your chip is the E3 revision vs E4?
read the first post in this thread :P
E3 is venice 512kb
E4 is san diego 1024kb
:)

[_Eduard_]

oh just PLEASE put 4x512MB ram in there... and if you don't have that stuff it full with pc66 stuff or whatever you have around :) You have to test that mem controller! That DFI nF4 mobo aint got 4 DIMMs for nothing!

[saaya]

hes going to test it with 4 512mb sticks :)

[saaya]

update:

3ghz 2001 and aquamark results :D

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/1876/189zd.th.gif (http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=189zd.gif)

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3679/198zv.th.gif (http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=198zv.gif)

http://img120.exs.cx/img120/3466/200bn.th.gif (http://img120.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img120&image=200bn.gif)

[terrace215]

Rather noobish question here, but how would you know if your chip is the E3 revision vs E4?

E3 = Rev E 512K L2 (Venice)
E4 = Rev E 1MB L2 (San Diego, Opteron)

[Bennah]

might want to update your cpu-z version.

she does look good and that shes still got some left in the tank ;)

[STEvil]

.......WOW.

[s7e9h3n]

3.1ghz 1.4v. :) she's still climbing.
I'm still sticking to my orginal guess of ~3.4G @ 1.75-1.8V benchmark stable on one of your cascades :D

[Cranox]

Woot , thats a nice cpu u got there
I hope they all do 3100 mhz @ 1.408v :)

[Bennah]

Woot , thats a nice cpu u got there
I hope they all do 3100 mhz @ 1.408v :)

just need the right cooling ;)

[_Eduard_]

don't forget to do an air/water bench too. also see how far it goes on 1volt.

and also not to forget find out the max memclock with 8 banks!

[M3taC0rT3X]

Just .. WoW :slobber:


Keep it up PCIce!!

[Cranox]

just need the right cooling ;)

NP i got a mach 2 ;)

[s7e9h3n]

might want to update your cpu-z version.

she does look good and that shes still got some left in the tank ;)
Hey Bennah,
Trust me, it doesn't matter if you have the most recent version of cpu-z. It's still gonna look like that with a venice:
http://img119.exs.cx/img119/536/34007gz.jpg

[saaya]

don't forget to do an air/water bench too. also see how far it goes on 1volt.

and also not to forget find out the max memclock with 8 banks!

calm down dude :D
dont worry, he wont forget to test air water and 4 512mb sticks... calm down :P

[saaya]

Hey Bennah,
Trust me, it doesn't matter if you have the most recent version of cpu-z. It's still gonna look like that with a venice:
http://img119.exs.cx/img119/536/34007gz.jpg

oohhhh jummy! :slobber: :D

[i found nemo]

3.4@1.6v wow, tha's gr8

[SLaY3r07]

Can't wait to see this thing w/ 1.7 VCore :rocker:

[Squid_Spit]

Amazing :slobber: :slobber: Cant wait to see how well it goes with more vcore!!

[IvanAndreevich]

pci ice
Can it do a SP 1mi @ 3.1 GHz @ 1.4V, or is that suicidal?

[saaya]

and some more :D

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8203/222cx.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=222cx.gif)



nice memory controller indeed! :D

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/1729/233vt.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=233vt.gif)

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/6921/244it.th.gif (http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=244it.gif)

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/8589/252sm.th.gif (http://img208.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img208&image=252sm.gif)

[isp]

2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:

[matt9669]

2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:
update:
the screenshot indicates he is running 2GB of memory, this is a bug!
however, he will test with 4 DS 512mb sticks and post results Hehe, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but bada$$ nonetheless :up:

[LowRun]

Darn!! It's 4 AM and i just can't go to sleep with this kind of screenies flowing.

[Orthogonal]

hehe, it's 8 p.m. for me :)

Anyway, I must have missed it, What BIOS version is being used on this DFI board? 3/10 I'm assuming, but I don't think it was ever said.

[bachus_anonym]

Honestly, I think it would have been much wiser for you guys (pc ice and saaya) to wait untill all testing under phase change was done (full range of vcore). Then post results and move to water and air...

But I guess it's too late now :)

In the mean time, I'll go out catch something to eat :D

[isp]

Hehe, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but bada$$ nonetheless :up:
That isn't cool bro, I just ruined a perfectly good pair of briefs!!! :stick:

[S0nic]

2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:

I think it's 1 gig, cpuz is misreading it..

EDIT: oops nevermind, didn't see the posts on this page

btw this is a crazy chip, can u get it prime stable at 320 x 9?
I just received my clawhammer 3500+ yesterday :( goal is ~270 x 10 with my PC4000 VX and XP-120 for cooling, I know I have high hopes :(

[matt9669]

That isn't cool bro, I just ruined a perfectly good pair of briefs!!! :stick::ROTF: :rehab: :toast: :bounces: :sick:

[SHiRaKaWa]

and some more :D



http://img230.exs.cx/img230/6171/231sp.th.gif (http://img230.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img230&image=231sp.gif)



Your joking :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

Congrats Saya

Edit: Didn't see the following post. That was fast. :p:

[bugeyes]

less emotion and more updates please

[IvanAndreevich]

Looks like Venice is a success. Subzero bug and 4 dual-bank chips o/c bugs are SLAUGHTERED :)

[saaya]

2gigs @ 320 2,5-3-3-7 damn. :worship:

no, its not 2gb! its a bug! sorry, will edit the pics :D


less emotion and more updates please


sorry, thats all for the next hours, im going to sleep now, and theres nothing nothing new i can post :(

opp will get to play with this little chip tomorrow, cant wait to see what he can get out of this thing under his cascade! :D

[bugeyes]

no, its not 2gb! its a bug! sorry, will edit the pics :D
sorry, thats all for the next hours, im going to sleep now, and theres nothing nothing new i can post :(
opp will get to play with this little chip tomorrow, cant wait to see what he can get out of this thing under his cascade! :D

....g-night

I like how all the new info is edited into the original post...you just need to bump the thred when there somthing new to see.

[saaya]

....g-night

I like how all the new info is edited into the original post...you just need to bump the thred when there somthing new to see.

thx, it sure was a lot of work :D

thx everybody for your input! :toast:
i never would have thougt of running 4 512mb sticks, and your other recommendations were also very helpfull to see what you guys wanna see from this chip! :toast:

all this will help to make the final review pc ice and opp will write about this chip even better, and even more fun to read :)

i hope you dont get upset about the slow updates :D

[situman]

Thanks for the tests and Etc. The test that would be most helpful is on water as there are a lot more folks on water than there are on Freezers. Thanks for the effort guys.

[Cpt Twitchy]

Amazing clocks :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: not to mention on stock volts. :up: I can't wait to see the extent of this testing.

This thread deserves a wave :YIPPIE:

[conrad.maranan]

I like how all the new info is edited into the original post
Me, too. Now I don't have to make a FAQ similar to the one I did in s7e9h3n's 3800+ thread. :D

Thanks, saaya. You rock! :rocker:

[MaxxxRacer]

wow.. this keeps getting better and better and better... 3.2ghz on stock vcore... even if its suicidie its stilll insane...

[i found nemo]

btw dude this chip sure does clock but i still wanna see any amd hit 7.2ghz as we've seen before, and i do understand it won't happen any time soon, but a guy can dream right?? lol

[agenda2005]

WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

[matt9669]

WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?Bro, CHILL. PC ICE is doing his thing, he certainly knows what he is doing and all test results will be posted in time. This is merely a preview of the full review, as clearly stated by me on the front page.

[conrad.maranan]

agenda2005 - Those who are testing will test as they please. Consider the information before you as privileged as you will be hard pressed to find this data elsewhere.

pc ice is not at your beckon call. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOTHING IN TERMS OF MOTIVATING USERS TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST.

[bobmanfoo]

jesus chill man, remember that these guys are doing US a favor, don't get it twisted

[bobmanfoo]

agenda2005 - Those who are testing will test as they please. Consider the information before you as privileged as you will be hard pressed to find this data elsewhere.

pc ice is not at your beckon call. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOTHING IN TERMS OF MOTIVATING USERS TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST.
right, all it does is annoy

[bachus_anonym]

hopefully no more people goes on vacation over this thread, please...

so, let's just all sit tight, wait and be patient... :toast:

[MaxxxRacer]

guys turning into an angry mob will only get you banned.... think twice before acting inappropriately.

[chunkylover77]

Guys lets not go crazy. This thread has already gotten one person banned. Let Pc Ice do his thing and then OPP will have a run at it. I'm just happy to see any results whatsoever. Remember that Pc Ice is benching and also writing a full review of this chip. That takes time.

[saaya]

WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

read the first post of this thread, yes, he will test with higher vcores and yes he will test on air and water, and yes he will test with 4x512mb...

if you have any recommendations post them :)


right chunky, this is a just a preview of the review hes writing :D
we thougt it was a good idear to post some results on the fly already, i dont get why some people get so upset about this :confused:

if somebody else complains please close the thread until tomorrow when we have new results :D :lol:

[agenda2005]

I'm not trying to be offensive or annoy anyone. I apologize if it appear so. I'm only reasoning aloud! I will join others and wait to see what the result will turn out to be. Hope that explain my intention.

[metro.cl]

could be posible for these chip, to almost beat a fx-55??? i mena you still have like 0.40v to give and you are already 3.1ghz (on stock)

[matt9669]

I'm not trying to be offensive or annoy anyone. I apologize if it appear so. I'm only reasoning aloud! I will join others and wait to see what the result will turn out to be. Hope that explain my intention.Thanks agenda :up:


could be posible for these chip, to almost beat a fx-55??? i mena you still have like 0.40v to give and you are already 3.1ghz (on stock)I won't lie, been thinking the same thing :hehe:

[chunkylover77]

Now I just need Pc Ice to send me one of his little units so I can get my chip to these levels. :toast:

[Raybo]

I've been waiting to jump on the A64 bandwagon, I think my wagon has arrived!

:banana:

[Nubius]

read the first post in this thread :P
E3 is venice 512kb
E4 is san diego 1024kb lol whoops, and it was because of that post that I asked...wow...complete brain fart :stick: :brick:

Nice clocks he's got going indeed.

[airwolves]

Anyone find the street price for these yet??

Thanks

[Lestat HWL]

Wow, not too bad from the first batch of Venice cores. I'm guessing that the first batch of cores will do on average 2.7-2.9GHz with standard air cooling...I know we'd all like to see 3GHz, but I'm thinking that may have to wait until some new steppings get launched, and once the core is getting better yields, etc...

Well it looks like I have two new CPUs to get now...Turion and Venice...haha :toast:

[Vincentvega18]

Nice clocks f/volts. Wheres geforce, i wann hear some predictions. :D

[gundamit]

Wildly entertaining thread. Saaya, good thing you edited the bugged CPUZ shots. I thank you and my diaper thanks you. :p:

[R.Rabbit]

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: this is just plain amazing!!! way to go, the venice and ICE are trully xtreme! :worship:

[Orthogonal]

Does anyone know what BIOS is running on that DFI board? I looked through this whole thread and didn't see. Stock? 3/10's?

[ArcTan]

:slobber:

damn and I'd just gotten my 3000+ winnie to 2700mhz stable with 1.525v on air

[Hombre]

OMFG, 3.1Ghz @ 1.4V, Amazing!

[shuRe]

lets hope it responds to vcore increases, or i can see some people crying :(

[drewmister]

damn and i just bought a 3500+ winchester because i couldn't stand to wait any longer... Everything but prime 95 stable at 10x260 and that is CBBID....

I don't know if i'll chip out the dough for one of these and sell my winchester we'll see...

[HolyAk]

gotta sold my new newscastle for this chip :p
might try water cooling@226w peltier hehehe

[Malachia]

i think i will return on amd this turn :D

[cAsio]

HAVY! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

verry nice :slobber: :slobber:

[b|gf|sh]

CPU-Z v1.28 (http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-128.zip) just out, no venice support stated in the changelog, but turion and opteron 252 support added, so worth a shot :)

(p.s. nice cpu, me wants :cool: )

[matt9669]

Hmm, the Opteron 252 is 90nm sSOI, so I'd say there's a definite possibility 1.28 will recognize the Venice :D

[Rabbi_NZ]

Looking good man... Hopefully San Diego and Turions will be as good if not better

Thanks for testing PC_Ice, and cheers for posting saaya :toast:

[MRBIGSHOT]

looks like we have a winner on our hands. just might have to dump the 3000 for one of these, 400mhz is to much to give up

[Karl Norris]

Hey all,

Just curious, and prone to doubting :D.

How sure is the results on the cold-glitch not effecting the Venice cores?

How many cores and how many boards have really been tested.

It would seem at this point that not enough information is available to know.

Am I missing something on this...

____________________

All that being said, these very early results are... stunning! I've been able to get my Winchester (3500+) to 2.75ghz at 1.82V on LS. But that's starting to sound lame :D.

[matt9669]

We've tested two Venice cores (3800+ and 3500+) on multiple motherboards. I think it's safe to say there is no cold bug.

[Rezag1000]

Did the venice work with the original bios that came with your board, or did you have to flash it?

[Ackbar]

We've tested two Venice cores (3800+ and 3500+) on multiple motherboards. I think it's safe to say there is no cold bug.

Two CPUs and you're ready to make a generalization about the whole lot of CPUs not having a cold bug? I have no information one way or the other, but let's see what happens when these chips come out. I wouldn't be surprised if these CPUs were not typical of the lot of chips. Until I hear from several users, I'm going to hold out judgement about how well these things do in general.

[Orthogonal]

Did the venice work with the original bios that came with your board, or did you have to flash it?

I've asked that question 2 times already in this thread and noone seems to know :mad:, or atleast won't answer. I'd like to know as well

[IvanAndreevich]

You two are blind. 3800+ was ran on Neo2 with 1.37mod bios which is very old. Bios is only required so that the chip is detected properly but it will WORK FINE.

[Vapor]

I've asked that question 2 times already in this thread and noone seems to know :mad:, or atleast won't answer. I'd like to know as wellIIRC, didn't he say he already had 3/10? Someone gave the idea of going back in the BIOS updates to see at what point they stop working and he thought it was a good idea...so maybe that's to come?

[saaya]

Two CPUs and you're ready to make a generalization about the whole lot of CPUs not having a cold bug? I have no information one way or the other, but let's see what happens when these chips come out. I wouldn't be surprised if these CPUs were not typical of the lot of chips. Until I hear from several users, I'm going to hold out judgement about how well these things do in general.

i heard of only very few winchester chips that dont have a low temp bug, and actually they still have a low temp bug, they just boot at low temps, but not really low temps. from what ive heard they only go down to -30°C max and dont work at lower temps, while now we have a pair of cpus that works flawlessly at low temps down to -40°C so i think its very promising... :)

[isp]

i heard of only very few winchester chips that dont have a low temp bug
Looks like venice is the same, OPP said it wouldn't play nice in -90s :eek:

Is -40c the coldest you can take these?

[Formann]

i heard of only very few winchester chips that dont have a low temp bug, and actually they still have a low temp bug, they just boot at low temps, but not really low temps. from what ive heard they only go down to -30°C max and dont work at lower temps, while now we have a pair of cpus that works flawlessly at low temps down to -40°C so i think its very promising... :)

I have had 3 or 4 winnies. All bootet up and ran just fine at low temps. At boot -50c and load -44c on evap. All from different weeks. (week42, 45, 47 and 50)

I still thinks its a mobo issue cause if I start it up and then start the cooler it locks up when it hits 0c.

[saaya]

Looks like venice is the same, OPP said it wouldn't play nice in -90s :eek:

Is -40c the coldest you can take these?

its single stage! lol, yes -40°C is the lowest his single stage unti can pull i think, but hes getting his cascade ready (-100°C load temps :D)


I have had 3 or 4 winnies. All bootet up and ran just fine at low temps. At boot -50c and load -44c on evap. All from different weeks. (week42, 45, 47 and 50)

I still thinks its a mobo issue cause if I start it up and then start the cooler it locks up when it hits 0c.
really? now thats interesting... you tried them on the dfi board, right?

[Oc-cba]

I have had 3 or 4 winnies. All bootet up and ran just fine at low temps. At boot -50c and load -44c on evap. All from different weeks. (week42, 45, 47 and 50)

I still thinks its a mobo issue cause if I start it up and then start the cooler it locks up when it hits 0c.

I tested 3 different winnies, 1 3200 and 2 3000 on gigabyte k8ns (plain, not ultra) and DFI Ultra - d and all of them booted @ ~ -30c @ evap... plus al overclocked far higher than with air.... 3200 and 1 3000 cbbid plus 1 3000 cbbhd. I also think it might be something on the mobos (not all mobos off certain brand / model but some).

[saaya]

hmmm very interesting then...

[Orthogonal]

You two are blind. 3800+ was ran on Neo2 with 1.37mod bios which is very old. Bios is only required so that the chip is detected properly but it will WORK FINE.

I realized that, but that has nothing to do with this thread :stick:. I was asking about his 3500+ on the DFI Board. I've heard things on DFI-Street that the 3/10's are known to work on the new chips but they weren't sure about older BIOS's, so I wanted to know if he was perhaps using an earlier version

[Oc-cba]

hmmm very interesting then...
this week i have 2 more 3000 and a different gigabyte mobbo to try (thing is they all go to customers, and if something goes wrong, i should pay for them (the chips, that's it....) but... hell all goes in name of overclocking sience
:D

[bass]

Superb, I can't wait to get me one of those :toast:

[saaya]

bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

now lets hope E4 changes that, so far i only heard that E4 had changes made in the temp probe , thats why it needs a bios update to work on almost all boards.
i really hope the low temp problems dont have to do with the manufacturing process! :(

[Ackbar]

bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

now lets hope E4 changes that, so far i only heard that E4 had changes made in the temp probe , thats why it needs a bios update to work on almost all boards.
i really hope the low temp problems dont have to do with the manufacturing process! :(

My guess is that the "low temp bug" has to deal with the size of the core. I've been thinking about this a little, and I have a theory about why 90nm and smaller may not do well with the cold, but it's rather unsubstaniated.

[MaxxxRacer]

well if it is about the diode i know of a fix... the two pins that read the diode temp on the mobo are on the outside edge of the cpu. just bend them outwards.. if you want to read the temps you can make some hardware to read the temps.. or if you dont care what the cpu says its temp is you can just plain cut the pins off.. no harm done.

[Malachia]

My guess is that the "low temp bug" has to deal with the size of the core. I've been thinking about this a little, and I have a theory about why 90nm and smaller may not do well with the cold, but it's rather unsubstaniated.


and why prescott go crazy with LN2 at -190° ??:stick:

i think is amd that is doing/doing wrong on something...

[Ackbar]

and why prescott go crazy with LN2 at -190° ??:stick:

i think is amd that is doing/doing wrong on something...

Well, like I said, it's all just an idea that I have. But I'm guessing that it's partly to do with the low power envelope of the AMD 90nm, not necessarily innately to do with the core size, but it's a consequence of it obviously.

[isp]

bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(That's what I was sayin earlier...damn cold bug :mad: :(

We need to find out what the coldest they can go before they start flaking out

[R.Rabbit]

this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?

[R.Rabbit]

well if it is about the diode i know of a fix... the two pins that read the diode temp on the mobo are on the outside edge of the cpu. just bend them outwards.. if you want to read the temps you can make some hardware to read the temps.. or if you dont care what the cpu says its temp is you can just plain cut the pins off.. no harm done.
maybe some one with a winchester could try this? the solution would be the same if this is the cold bug problem, so if someone with a winnie tried this instead of venice(much to valuable at this point) that would be great

[bachus_anonym]

Somehow I have a feeling that "Venice" core is not gonna bring more hope to cascade users than "Newcastle" and "Winnie" do now. We have seen some Winnies doing benches at 3.0-3.1GHz on phase change, though. Venice might be good for moderate-low temps but looks like too much cold renders them useless. Unless, there IS something that can be done to make it work. Let's wait for more information from OPP...

On the side note from what we see here now... I hope I'm REALLY wrong but I wouldn't be surprised when FX-57 will not match speeds FX-55 now does under cascade... Hopefully, I'm seriously OFF!

EDIT: Not that Winchester or Necastle were ever chips of choice for cascade users...

[Malachia]

i am quite interested to know the difference between air and phase change...

[saaya]

and why prescott go crazy with LN2 at -190° ??:stick:

i think is amd that is doing/doing wrong on something...

intel 90nm =! amd 90nm ;)


That's what I was sayin earlier...damn cold bug :mad: :(

We need to find out what the coldest they can go before they start flaking out it varies from chip to chip it seems...


this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?

never heard that they became unstable, they just didnt clock higher...
2ghz air and 2.2ghz ln2 was something common for the first a64 chips :D

nothing from opp yet... hope he posts some infos soon :)

[Formann]

really? now thats interesting... you tried them on the dfi board, right?

Nope. Haven´t tried any in my DFI yet. Just in the Neo2 0411 Korea.

No problems what so ever. They all overclocked average. 2500-2600 on air/water, and 2900-2950 with the CPU cooler (-44c load)

Anyone got a Winnie that cant handle the cold? Give me a fair price, and Ill buy it just to prove my self wrong :)

Would be nice to get it confirmed. That its/its not just mobo issues i mean.

[jinu117]

Well, like I said, it's all just an idea that I have. But I'm guessing that it's partly to do with the low power envelope of the AMD 90nm, not necessarily innately to do with the core size, but it's a consequence of it obviously.

Maybe maybe not.
Problem more likely is diode location inside the chip or how it is programmed. Different board will impact bootability (prime example is MSI vs Asus A8V or something 939). I've had (dis)pleasure of finding out Asus booting maybe 10-20c colder temp than MSI on same chips. Also, each winnie has different behavior on same mob. Some will boot till -20c, some till -30c, some till -50c, some will last till -60c (all evap temp) and few of them won't do anything below 0 (had 1 that actually I couldn't really find out how low as my single phase unit didn't go below -70c on evap). Now all these temps are about 5-10c off from actual evap temp is my guess even for heavily tuned Mach II unit with baker evap but there it is. Maybe venice plays nicer but who knows. There were few FX-55 that couldn't handle cascade as well. Only time will tell.

[odb]

this doesnt look good for my future chilly1 unit, i might have to pick up a 3500+ clawhammer or something

[s7e9h3n]

WHY IS EVERYONE WITH THIS CHIP HIDDDING AWAY OF SHYING AWAY FROM RUNNING 4 MEMORY DIMMS AT 1T CMD AND DDR400.
All other benchmarks shown here are not new or innovative in anyway. No offence intended.
PLEASE RUN DOUBLE SIDED 4 X512MB RAM at DDR400 and 1T CMD SHOWING ALL DIMMS IN SANDRA SHOT SINCE CPU-Z IS BUGGY. HOW LOUD DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO SOUND ABOUT THIS ISSUE?
Hey bro,
I don't know if you've read through my thread about the Venice 3800+, but I CLEARLY stated that I DID try to boot 4x256 bh5 and it DID NOT WORK. I then tried only 2x256 and could boot then. BTW, the 256 sticks were all double sided. Hope that settles that.... :rolleyes:

[EMC2]

bad news! opp cant get it to work under his cascade, seems there is still a low temp bug :S :(

IF you get the chance and don't mind Saya... which PS and MB is Opp doing his testing with, and is it a "doesn't work at all" @-90C, or just doesn't boot, or ??? Thanks for the thread and the info in it :toast:

I suspect reset/pwr up current demand may be the issue.

[bachus_anonym]

IF you get the chance and don't mind Saya... which PS and MB is Opp doing his testing with, and is it a "doesn't work at all" @-90C, or just doesn't boot, or ??? Thanks for the thread and the info in it :toast:

I suspect reset/pwr up current demand may be the issue.
Daniel,

That's all OPP wrote in another thread... I think he was trying that on MSI SLI, not sure though... He haven't provided any other info on the open forums as far as I searched. Still waiting :)

I Need an update like crack-head on withdrawal :D

I have the 3500 running now, it can't handle -90s, it freezes up in windows.
OPP

[reject]

wat is sSOI?
ive only heard of SOI (silicon on insulator) SS (strained silicon) and SSDOI (a combination)
winchester doesnt have SS so that theory doesnt work :)


this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?

[GuGaCoSa]

Any price prevision?
PS:Kick ass score @ -40c and 1.38v,i think I'll wait to catch one of these over a 3000+ winchester.

[Lifthanger]

wat is sSOI?
ive only heard of SOI (silicon on insulator) SS (strained silicon) and SSDOI (a combination)
winchester doesnt have SS so that theory doesnt work :)

should be "strained silicon on insulator"

[s7e9h3n]

this could have something to do with sSOI itself, i think i read a the begining when sSOI was first being theorized(atleast by us) that it may have a problem with colder temps and would become unstable, but this problem doesn't exists with prescott.. maybe its just AMD's sSOI..?
No, it can't be sSoi. If that were the case, FX-55's would have the cold bug as well and most of them don't.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/5484/ssoi3pt.jpg

[IvanAndreevich]

Why the hell do people assume that CBI is correct? :stick: Get your info from PDFs not from software that has been programmed by somebody who may very know less about the issue than you ;)

[matt9669]

The FX-55 is and always has been strained silicon-on-insulator or sSOI, AMD publicly declared that at launch :up:

As for the cold bug - there are a number of theories but I personally believe it has something to do with the thermal diode reporting incorrectly, not inherent limits of the chip - AMD changed the diode with Winchester, they changed it again with Venice AFAIK and since we haven't seen new BIOSes for the chips yet (they haven't been officially launched, go figure) it's quite possible this issue could be resolved for all Venice core CPUs.

I remain optimistic! :rehab:

[R.Rabbit]

No, it can't be sSoi. If that were the case, FX-55's would have the cold bug as well and most of them don't.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/5484/ssoi3pt.jpg
yeah i didn't think about that... hmmm, well its gotta be the diode, i wouldn't be surprised if this cold bug is an anti overclocking issue made by AMD. it would make sense becuase they designate the FX line as their enthusiest proc and conveniently(spell?) it has no cold bug... similarily as we all know its mult is unlocked
but if this where true if then logically there would be a specific temp in which the procs would stop working and all would have the same bug, not just some :shrug:

[bugeyes]

I CLEARLY stated that I DID try to boot 4x256 bh5 and it DID NOT WORK. I then tried only 2x256 and could boot then. BTW, the 256 sticks were all double sided. Hope that settles that.... :rolleyes:

Those 256MB sticks might have had chips on both sides of the memory module
but are in fact single "banked" alot of people get confused between double banked and double sided DDR SDRAM...

To test the memory controller they will need to use 4x 512MB ram modules, these will be double banked.

[wfarid]

wow that was awesome, :slobber: keep up the good work and THANK YOU!
can't wait to see the results on water and air...

[MsB]

yeah i didn't think about that... hmmm, well its gotta be the diode, i wouldn't be surprised if this cold bug is an anti overclocking issue made by AMD. it would make sense becuase they designate the FX line as their enthusiest proc and conveniently(spell?) it has no cold bug... similarily as we all know its mult is unlocked
but if this where true if then logically there would be a specific temp in which the procs would stop working and all would have the same bug, not just some :shrug:
Hey everyone! Im new to the forums. i agree and wouldn't put it past amd to have put the bug in intentially. I too remain optomistic and from the results I've seen I am looking forward to seeing what the san diegos can do since that was my next proc to upgrade to. I dont really care a bout a cold bug myself as I use water, As long as I can get a reasonable oc say 4ghz to 6 ghz Id be happy as a peach seed in a field of manure. I just want to be able to do it with 4 sticks of ddr.

[reject]

no way amd has nothing againt overclockers, in fact the reason that they superlocked athon xps was to stop unscrupulous resellers increasing multi and then charging for a better cpu in prebuilt computers

[Ackbar]

Kinda off topic... but I just want to say that Saaya has been doing a good job of posting this topic to other forums! I'm sure a lot of people in other forums that don't post on other forums are VERY interested in the happenings of the Venice and don't always know where to get the best info. :toast:

[Ferry82]

Any new results?????????????

[kiwi]

I haven't read all posts but when do we see Venice core cpus in stores?

[pancake]

nice results. april 4th for venice i beleive

[joe2004]

Crank that voltage up man, what the heck you have phase change for! :D
I wanna see maximum overclock not the low voltage. :toast:

[Vassili]

PCICE, nice job. I have bookmarked this topic, hoping that you're update comes soon. :bows:

[isp]

Did he get it back from OPP yet to test it some more?

[trakslacker]

Hey everyone! Im new to the forums. i agree and wouldn't put it past amd to have put the bug in intentially. I too remain optomistic and from the results I've seen I am looking forward to seeing what the san diegos can do since that was my next proc to upgrade to. I dont really care a bout a cold bug myself as I use water, As long as I can get a reasonable oc say 4ghz to 6 ghz Id be happy as a peach seed in a field of manure. I just want to be able to do it with 4 sticks of ddr.

First off, Welcome to XS! :toast:

Second, there is no way that you are gonna see any AMD chips hitting 4Ghz on water anytime soon, let alone 6Ghz. That is Intel territory.

I do believe 4Ghz may be attainable for a San Diego core under a -100C Cascade, but not water. And even then, I'd consider $Ghz on any AMD proc to be far better than a "reasonable OC", as right now that is basically the holy grail for everyone here. Anywho, welcome again and enjoy yourself! This is without a doubt the most knowledgeable and helpful overclocking community on the net. Make yourself at home. :)

[MsB]

First off, Welcome to XS! :toast:

Second, there is no way that you are gonna see any AMD chips hitting 4Ghz on water anytime soon, let alone 6Ghz. That is Intel territory.

I do believe 4Ghz may be attainable for a San Diego core under a -100C Cascade, but not water. And even then, I'd consider $Ghz on any AMD proc to be far better than a "reasonable OC", as right now that is basically the holy grail for everyone here. Anywho, welcome again and enjoy yourself! This is without a doubt the most knowledgeable and helpful overclocking community on the net. Make yourself at home. :)

LOL Actually, I misspoke I was half asleep when wrote that, doh, I meant 400 mghz to 600 mghz. I now get extra 460 mghz out of my winnie 3500+ on water. I was hoping with a san diego I should be able to 3.0-3.4 ghz on water. With 1 mgb of cache that should be a very nice performer, expecially if it could be done on 4 x 512 mb sticks of ddr.

[winston64]

Hey :d its like a week till april 4th already. haven't they given prelim prices on these?

[Fairydust]

I don't think AMD will change the prices, as it is simply a revision change. Of course most dealers will charge a small premium in the first few weeks to get rid of the old stock.

[Hallowed]

This chip has been tossed around for what... 4 days and noone has bothered to test 4x512 1T yet?

Its the burning question we all have. :stick: :(