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meateater
03-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Ive recently purchased my geil ultra x 2x512. serial number sn5000073.
They overclock very poorly on my k8n neo 2 motherboard and 3200 winnie.
Reboots past 230fsb 2.5-4-4-7 1T (it also fails at 2T) 2.85v ( overvolts to 2.9 ).
Cas 3 is a no boot even on stock fsb and 2.55-2.85 volts.

I am sure that my motherboard and processor were not the problems, as I can run my ocz pc4200 @ 260 (4xhtt) and 9x multi stock vcore on my winnie memtest and prime stable overnight.

I have not proven that my batch of memory, the new ones are winbond, but judging from mwongs post I think they are, I still gotta get my hands on either a dfi mobo or a ddr booster.

Quoted from mwong


Our UltraX Series uses either Samsung TCCD or Winbond BH5 chips.

Here is a link to the geil forums. Please note mwongs post.

http://www.geilusa.com/forum2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=591&whichpage=2

Punisher!
03-17-2005, 10:59 PM
Yeah, as I wrote in the New RAM List we already received many of them in Italy.

meateater
03-18-2005, 02:00 AM
Yeah, as I wrote in the New RAM List we already received many of them in Italy.

I see, then I have to get my ddr booster then. So I can test this baby!
I really don't want to hope too much though.
But im excited! :YIPPIE:

Jaco
03-18-2005, 02:34 AM
mine are definetly TCCD PN 0746 SN5000092
270Mhz 2,5-3-3-5 at only 2,65v

ooztuncer
03-18-2005, 07:07 AM
Add me to the list... I purchased 2x512 Ultra-X 3200 last week and I was hoping to hit 275 with 2.5-4-4-7, bs... my mobo+cpu+vidcard+ram is with Angry (dfi street) for further testing. As of this morning 6.06am he managed to reach 260 2-2-2-8 at 3.3 volt with 0 memtest errors... He will continue to push them... Thanks to AG+Viper.

THE question: does $260 worth it??? should I try a RMA for TCDD?

ONLY paranoia survives

Punisher!
03-18-2005, 07:55 AM
Add me to the list... I purchased 2x512 Ultra-X 3200 last week and I was hoping to hit 275 with 2.5-4-4-7, bs... my mobo+cpu+vidcard+ram is with Angry (dfi street) for further testing. As of this morning 6.06am he managed to reach 260 2-2-2-8 at 3.3 volt with 0 memtest errors... He will continue to push them... Thanks to AG+Viper.

THE question: does $260 worth it??? should I try a RMA for TCDD?

ONLY paranoia survives

TCCD are out of production. You can't RMA anything because they respect GeIL specifications: 2-2-2-5 @ 200Mhz.

Bye.

Punisher!
03-18-2005, 07:57 AM
Add me to the list... I purchased 2x512 Ultra-X 3200 last week and I was hoping to hit 275 with 2.5-4-4-7, bs... my mobo+cpu+vidcard+ram is with Angry (dfi street) for further testing. As of this morning 6.06am he managed to reach 260 2-2-2-8 at 3.3 volt with 0 memtest errors... He will continue to push them... Thanks to AG+Viper.

THE question: does $260 worth it??? should I try a RMA for TCDD?

ONLY paranoia survives

LOL man, look @ my quote:


We are receiving many of them here in Italy.
Latest PC 3200 Ultra-X are all BH5 on BP PCB (~260 Mhz @ 3,3V with 2-2-2-8).

Your GeIL Ultra-X exactely overclock as I supposed.

My nose works really fine! :D

ooztuncer
03-18-2005, 08:14 AM
My nose works really fine! :D

Unbelievable, you quoted that yesterday huh - if AG saw that he would kill u - he was dealing with this "assumed TCDD" chips for last 3 days hehe!!!

meateater
03-18-2005, 08:21 AM
Well, one thing I suppose, is that GEIL should take out the reviews of the old ultra x pc 3200 in their website.
And they should subject the new batches for review again.
As this is very misleading for us customers.:upset:
As most people ( like me ) expect to see high overclock at low volts. But then they will have to get either a dfi motherboard, or a ddr booster or a vdimm mod.

By the way ooztuncer, how high can you overclock your geil if you are on 2.85 volts only?
My motherboard is a k8n neo 2 platinum and only supports 2.85v max.
My ddr booster is yet to arrive so I am just curious.
Thanks :D

ooztuncer
03-18-2005, 08:33 AM
Well, one thing I suppose, is that GEIL should take out the reviews of the old ultra x pc 3200 in their website.
And they should subject the new batches for review again.
As this is very misleading for us customers. :angry:
As most people ( like me ) expect to see high overclock at low volts. But then they will have to get either a dfi motherboard, or a ddr booster or a vdimm mod.

I absolutely agree!!! Yesterday I prepared one page word document especially for GEIL customer service (but didn't send it yet) - if you want I can share it and we can start protesting them. Some part from my document:

QUOTE: I enjoy reading hardware news and reviews. For me, user views and some online hardware review sites are guidelines before purchasing a product. I read nothing but EXTREMELY good comments on Ultra-X modules. Some examples might be Anandtech review published on 08/20/2004, Madshrimps review on 01/17/2005, tons of good comments and overclocking success stories on extremesystems, dfi-street, and other forums. All of them (including reviews) could reach really high fsb’s (>275Mhz) with these modules. Especially those reviews and comments directed me to buy Geil Ultra-X ram, not G.Skill, Mushkin, Corsair, etc.

...If it is not possible, can I return my RAM, because I do not think that the premium on this package matches what you promote? (I am mentioning reviews, comments, and marketing).

Please share this e-mail with your manager before replying me with an answer. And please explain me the situation if you decided not to use TCDD chips in your modules. I am really sorry for this long e-mail; however you can see this as an opportunity to keep touch with customers closely. QUOTE

I think it's a SHAME to use Ultra-X label on Winbond chips because we EXPECT to get TCDD... Ideas - comments?

ooztuncer
03-18-2005, 09:07 AM
By the way ooztuncer, how high can you overclock your geil if you are on 2.85 volts only?
My motherboard is a k8n neo 2 platinum and only supports 2.85v max.
My ddr booster is yet to arrive so I am just curious.
Thanks :D

I have NO idea coze every part is with Angry...

meateater
03-18-2005, 09:31 AM
ooztuncer, the sample from your letter seems cool.
can you email it to me?
I will pm you my email address.
One thing we cannot stress, is the fact that geil did not claim in the website itself that the chips they used are tccd chips.
One thing we can really ask, is for them to remove the old reviews, as they cannot be reproduced or replicated, even with the same specs, since its now bh5 not tccd.

GazC
03-18-2005, 01:46 PM
I never thought I'd see the day when people would complain about recieving BH-5 :D

meateater
03-18-2005, 06:30 PM
I never thought I'd see the day when people would complain about recieving BH-5 :D

Hehe, Actually im fine with the new bh5, its just that I feel that geil somehow fooled me. As I expect high oc on low volts. Thats the reason i got my msi motherboard.
But now, I still have to get a ddr booster to run it.
Im from a third world country so stuff like this matters. As computer parts are expensive.

HiJon89
03-18-2005, 06:35 PM
This the stuff?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-332&depa=1

meateater
03-18-2005, 06:45 PM
hijon, yes that is the stuff alright...
Its a great buy if you have a dfi motherboard, since bh5's can work on both amd and intel.

HiJon89
03-18-2005, 06:49 PM
hijon, yes that is the stuff alright...
Its a great buy if you have a dfi motherboard, since bh5's can work on both amd and intel.
Hmm, I would try some of this stuff out if only OCZ VX didn't exist :p:

SLaY3r07
03-18-2005, 09:44 PM
I never thought I'd see the day when people would complain about recieving BH-5 :D

Same here.

Punisher!
03-18-2005, 11:41 PM
Well, one thing I suppose, is that GEIL should take out the reviews of the old ultra x pc 3200 in their website.
And they should subject the new batches for review again.
As this is very misleading for us customers.:upset:
As most people ( like me ) expect to see high overclock at low volts. But then they will have to get either a dfi motherboard, or a ddr booster or a vdimm mod.

By the way ooztuncer, how high can you overclock your geil if you are on 2.85 volts only?
My motherboard is a k8n neo 2 platinum and only supports 2.85v max.
My ddr booster is yet to arrive so I am just curious.
Thanks :D

Yeah. I agree.

Fortunately I have TCCD ones :D.

Perhaps with 2,85V you don't go past 220.

meateater
03-19-2005, 01:03 AM
Aarrgh, I really envy the people with the tccd chips!
I still havent gotten the ddr booster yet. I will get it tomorrow.
I will post my results when I get it.

perry_78
03-19-2005, 02:40 AM
Hmm, so Intel doesnt like TCCD? Shame, thats what I'm going to be running with my 530 + 915P T12 :(

If you have 260 2-2-2 why are you complaining? Great RAM!

meateater
03-19-2005, 03:46 AM
juliette, I am not able to reach 260 @ 2-2-2-X for now, since I havent gotten my ddr boosters yet.
My motherboard max is 2.85volts.
But still, is about 3.3volts safe for everyday use?

Punisher!
03-19-2005, 04:15 AM
juliette, I am not able to reach 260 @ 2-2-2-X for now, since I havent gotten my ddr boosters yet.
My motherboard max is 2.85volts.
But still, is about 3.3volts safe for everyday use?

If ram likes it yes.

georgesod
03-19-2005, 04:48 AM
Is there a sign or a different serial so as to know which is which?

meateater
03-19-2005, 05:04 AM
Is there a sign or a different serial so as to know which is which?

im afraid not. :(

ooztuncer
03-19-2005, 07:23 AM
Is there a sign or a different serial so as to know which is which?

It looks like new build Geil 3200 UltraX with serial numbes of 500xxxx have Winbond BH5 chips. BTW, here some benchmarks done by AG yesterday: First one is at stock settings and right below it you can find 9x260 2-2-2-8 at 3.4vdimm:

http://www.angrygames.com/nf4_ultra-x3.htm

One question, what is DRAM idle time and what is the consensus on it 16-256,etc?

andL64
03-19-2005, 06:20 PM
last time i got the geil ultra X TCCD only worked to 280 2,5-4-4-8 not 24/7 stable... i would ve been glad if i recieved the good old stuff 2x512 Bh-5 @ 250+ 2-2-2-x

seEn

meateater
03-19-2005, 08:39 PM
last time i got the geil ultra X TCCD only worked to 280 2,5-4-4-8 not 24/7 stable... i would ve been glad if i recieved the good old stuff 2x512 Bh-5 @ 250+ 2-2-2-x

seEn

But you need lots of volts for the bh5, and a ddr booster or vdimm mod if you dont have a dfi motherboard.

dippyskoodlez
03-19-2005, 09:15 PM
You cannot RMA because you got a few sticks of bad oc'ers...

Now, if they went around touting TCCD, and EVERYONES was a bum oc'er, then I'd say have at it...

Most of the reviews, the manf.'s dont *tell them* to overclock it, and overclocks aren't guaranteed. If you want XXX speed for sure, buy XXX speed ram. if you cant afford it, take the chances overclocking.. :P

meateater
03-20-2005, 02:23 AM
You cannot RMA because you got a few sticks of bad oc'ers...

Now, if they went around touting TCCD, and EVERYONES was a bum oc'er, then I'd say have at it...

Most of the reviews, the manf.'s dont *tell them* to overclock it, and overclocks aren't guaranteed. If you want XXX speed for sure, buy XXX speed ram. if you cant afford it, take the chances overclocking.. :P

right. im about to go to the shop and get my ddr booster so I can go to 250fsb and beyond!

quicksilverXP
03-20-2005, 10:13 PM
That's just unfortunate. So now users will have to use high voltages when they think the Ultra-X will run at low voltages. Ohh welll... that's good for us... but for the average consumer, that sucks.

meateater
03-21-2005, 05:26 AM
anyone wanna trade their tccd with my bh5? :)
I just want something for everyday use...

corvus_corax
03-21-2005, 02:09 PM
Have you tried at 230 MHz with 2.85V on 2-2-3-6?, BH-5 works fine with that.
(i think with 240 MHz works too).

tCL= 3 dont work, right?

Toliman
03-21-2005, 06:09 PM
It looks like new build Geil 3200 UltraX with serial numbes of 500xxxx have Winbond BH5 chips.

My Ultra-X PC3200 are TCCD, because do 300x9 well and more at 2,8v.
SN5000181

Not BH-5, and not UTT.

szukalski
03-21-2005, 08:48 PM
My Ultra-X PC3200 are TCCD, because do 300x9 well and more at 2,8v.
SN5000181

Mine do 290+ @ 2.9v w/ SN5000209

meateater
03-22-2005, 04:31 AM
Have you tried at 230 MHz with 2.85V on 2-2-3-6?, BH-5 works fine with that.
(i think with 240 MHz works too).

tCL= 3 dont work, right?

yes cl3 dont work on mine. it boots on 230mhz 2-3-3-6 (2.85v) but gives super pi errors.

im on a 3200 winnie, I set the vcore to max (1.45), msi k8n neo 2 platinum, enermax 420 noisetaker.

Also question, I get errors after I exit the game star wars republic commando, IRQL not or less equal. This is on stock settings 2-2-2-5 1T, 2.7vdimm.
Does this mean my mems have problems?

ooztuncer
03-22-2005, 06:50 AM
QUOTE: GEIL Ultra-X module used to equip with Samsung TCCD. It was able to overclock with low voltage. People love Samsung TCCD.
Unfortunately, Samsung has stopped making TCCD this February. Therefore, we switch IC from Samsung TCCD to Winbond BH-5.
Winbond BH5 needs higher voltage to raise it's clock speed or overclock; standard clock speed require 2.5 to 2.65v, OC to 260 or 270 require atleast 2.85+. However, there are only few motherboards support 2.85v; most of them are 2.8v top. QUOTE

SOURCE: GEIL usa support forum (http://www.geilusa.com/forum2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=591&whichpage=2)

Well, if yours are using TCDD, good for you :)

meateater
03-23-2005, 08:33 AM
One weird problem now, I am running stock, not overclocked settings 2-5-2-2 1T 200fsb 2.7vdimm. ( this also occurs on AUTO, 2.55, 2.6 volts, also I cannot seem to boot at 2.5 volts. )
When I exit the starwars game after playing for about 1hour or more.(starwars republic commando).
I get irql not or less equal blue screen. then a reboot.

Is this memory related?

YadNom
04-20-2005, 10:03 AM
mine wont do 215 fsb 1:1 at 2.85 volts
sn5000403

maybe my problem is the mobo? (p4p800)
maybe i need to change my BIOS? 1019
because even if i got bh5/utt, it should do at least 240, right?

meateater
04-21-2005, 06:49 AM
now, im using dfi nforce 4 ultra d, and I can even run my mems at 260, 3.6volts!!

Reefa_Madness
04-23-2005, 04:20 PM
It may or may not have TCCD, but right now its for sale at newegg for $162, after $40 rebate. That's a pretty good price for a gig of either TCCD or new BH-5, I think.

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=20-144-332&depa=1

kamui
07-23-2005, 04:28 PM
Hi All ,

I have this 2*512 Ultra Geil ,
http://kamui.kenshiro.free.fr/geil.jpg
PN047X-SN400034X It's TCCD or BH5 or UTT plz help !

ianocean
07-23-2005, 05:53 PM
Let's clear this conversation.PN-1243 is UTT-BH5 ,PN-0746 is TCCD
My system performs faster with BH5 based Ultra X than TCCD Ultra X
:toast:

Sir-Gillespie
09-21-2005, 11:49 AM
mine can do 216 at 2.6v 2-2-2-5

and 240 2.6 2.5-3-3-7

I havent tried more but I think its safe to say that they are with TCCD chips.