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s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:02 PM
FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)



POST #1 to POST #194

Q: What are the major components being used in the system you are testing this CPU in?
A: A64 3800+ Venice + AMD FX-55 HSF
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (Bios 1.41mod)
G.Skill 4400LE (2x256MB)
Antec EPS12v True 550 (modded 3.3V, 5.0V, and 12V rails) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762587#post762587)

Q: When can we expect to see this CPU in retail channels?
A: You can expect to buy these through retail channels starting first week of April. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762597#post762597)



POST #195 to LAST POST

Q: What are the major components being used in the system you are testing this CPU in?
A: A64 3800+ Venice + Mach 2
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (Bios 1.41mod)
G.Skill 4400LE (2x256MB)
Antec EPS12v True 550 (modded 3.3V, 5.0V, and 12V rails) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=763722#post763722)

Q: What are your loaded and unloaded temperatures?
A: -29C Idle and -15C Load. Measurements were taken from a thermocouple attached to the side of the IHS of the 3800+. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764145#post764145)

Q: How does the 3800+ Venice compare with an FX-55?
A: FX-55 (11x291MHz) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764393#post764393) vs. 3800+ (11x290MHz) (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764397#post764397)

Q: Do you have any results that would give us an idea of how SSE3 affects performance in applications that are capable of taking advantage of SSE3?
A: SSE3 performance screenshots. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764445#post764445)

Q: Have you noticed any peculiarities with regard to the behavior of the 3800+ Venice?
A: This cpu, for some reason, doesn't like its default multiplier (12x) at higher frequencies. It requires much more voltage at 12x to run any kind of benchmark. On the other hand, 11x seems to be much more of a "sweet spot" @ 3.0Ghz and beyond for this chip. It seems to run smoother and with less heat and vcore than both 12x and 10x. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764712#post764712)

Q: What is the default VCORE for the 3800+ Venice?
A: 1.4V. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764874#post764874)

Q: What is the highest frequency you have run 3DMark2001 SE at?
A: Approximately 3100MHz. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766117#post766117)

Q: Are you able to run Prime95?
A: I tried to run P95 blend @ 3.2Ghz, but it could only get to about 1.5 hours and then returned an error. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766402#post766402)

Q: What is the highest frequency you have used to successfully complete SuperPi 1M?
A: 3306.1MHz (12x275.5MHz). (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766503#post766503)

Q: What is the highest frequency you have realized with the 3800+ Venice (suicide screenshot)?
A: 3419.2MHz (11x310.8MHz) @ 1.664V. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766503#post766503)



ALL OF s7e9h3n's SCREENSHOTS

Post #1 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762579#post762579),Post #3 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762587#post762587),Post #7 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762600#post762600),Post #12 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762612#post762612),Post #13 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762616#post762616),Post #28 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762643#post762643),Post #42 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762677#post762677),Post #51 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762690#post762690),Post #58 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762701#post762701),Post #98 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=762805#post762805),Post #195 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=763722#post763722),Post #245 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764145#post764145),Post #251 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764176#post764176),Post #274 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764393#post764393),Post #276 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764397#post764397),Post #282 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764445#post764445),Post #289 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764495#post764495),Post #296 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=764533#post764533),Post #426 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766101#post766101),Post #433 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766146#post766146),Post #435 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766157#post766157),Post #450 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766503#post766503)

-----END OF FAQ-----



I thought that I'd start a new thread for some screenshots of the 3800+ Venice. The original thread can be found here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56192

Note that you're not going to find any 3dmark benches here since I own an old 9800Pro Agp card (yeah, yeah - I was waiting to switch to pci-express). Also, all of the benchmarks were done either with default settings or with very minor tweaks. Therefore they are meant just to give you an idea of what to expect/not expect from the new Venice cores.

OK, here's the system's vital statistics:

Stock FX55 HSF aircooled
A64 3800+ Venice- .09, SSE3, etc.
Msi K8n Neo2- Bios 1.41mod
G.Skill 2x256 4400LE
Antec EPS12v True 550 - Modded 3.3V, 5.0V, & 12V rails

Here is the default clock (Don't mind what CBID says, I realize now that it spits out a bunch of garbage when it doesn't recognize the core): 12x200

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/3360/default1de.jpg

jdogg707
03-16-2005, 12:05 PM
One question, where did you get it? I want one of these to replace my lame overclocking 3200+

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:06 PM
12x220 - Default Vcore......

http://img7.exs.cx/img7/1448/12x2209hs.jpg

marius7
03-16-2005, 12:06 PM
Cmon man, give us the o/c results, you're killing us alive.

Dissolved
03-16-2005, 12:08 PM
Cmon man, give us the o/c results, you're killing us alive.


he did.. a 20fsb oc lol

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:09 PM
One question, where did you get it? I want one of these to replace my lame overclocking 3200+
Let's just say I have my ways... ;) You can buy these through retail channels starting first week of April.

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:11 PM
12x230 - Still default Vcore

http://img7.exs.cx/img7/627/12x2308df.jpg

SIOUX
03-16-2005, 12:12 PM
more!!!!!! :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

madpete
03-16-2005, 12:13 PM
2.76ghz on default volts, now it's getting interesting

Caper
03-16-2005, 12:13 PM
Now it begins to be interesting :)

perry_78
03-16-2005, 12:13 PM
(Jamaican accent) Party Man! :D

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:14 PM
12x240 - This needed a little bump (+3.3%) in Vcore

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/8432/12x240337pi.jpg

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:16 PM
Here's 10x280 @ same Vcore as above

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/4444/10x2807pi.jpg

Ref
03-16-2005, 12:17 PM
Looks awesome :slobber:
2.886 GHz @ 1.4 V :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
I think we will see 3 GHz on air VERY soon :toast:
If AMD has such great yields with Venice and 90 nm then :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
No surprise they are going to release FX-57 so soon ;)

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 12:17 PM
Looks good so far! 250X12 on air would be great!!

**Subscribed for more results**

afireinside
03-16-2005, 12:17 PM
:slobber: niceeeee

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 12:17 PM
looking very very good. i'm impressed by those temps, even if the fx-55 cooler is respectable.
keep em coming :toast:

Cybercat
03-16-2005, 12:18 PM
YOU SUCK!

*jealous*

blueworm
03-16-2005, 12:18 PM
12x240 - This needed a little bump (+3.3%) in Vcore
Bah that just take's up the slack caused by the voltage drop.
:bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows: :bows:

WiCKeD
03-16-2005, 12:19 PM
Do Prime for just a few minutes... Damn I want to know about the mem controller too... What are you running the mem at now?

koei
03-16-2005, 12:20 PM
More! Push it further!!

clockedOut
03-16-2005, 12:20 PM
OMGLMFAO!!!! 2.8 at 1.4vcore!!!

|-jokker-|
03-16-2005, 12:20 PM
Wonderfull chip man :D
I want one , can you test with -xxºC ??
That would be great

congrats

Vapor
03-16-2005, 12:21 PM
Looks good so far....now MORE!:D

matt9669
03-16-2005, 12:21 PM
All we wanna know is - cold bug? :D

Very nice, very nice :up:

Alec
03-16-2005, 12:22 PM
jesus christ that clocks well!!! Awsome stuff man; bang those voltages up and lets see her past 3GHz! :D

WiCKeD
03-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Um, how come in post #13 CPU-Z says 1.4v, but CBI says 1.2v? Does Kunaak have a checker for CBI?

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Ok, 2800 is a breeze for this chip at close to default Vcore, but anything beyond that required much larger voltage increases.....

Here's 10x290 - In bios, I believe it was set to default vcore (1.4) + 5%

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/5968/10x2909pv.jpg

quicksilverXP
03-16-2005, 12:23 PM
Damn... when are these available?

Ref
03-16-2005, 12:24 PM
2.9 GHz @ 1.47 still nice !
Show us some 3 GHz action and max this chip out !
Then test the other one :cool:

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 12:27 PM
you're putting out these benches pretty quick. if the time inbetween posts is how long it takes you to get to that speed, i'm impressed, though concerned with the long term stability :toast:

evetS-
03-16-2005, 12:27 PM
dddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamnn

anyone in on robbing AMD w/ me?? :banana: :banana:

SIOUX
03-16-2005, 12:28 PM
you're putting out these benches pretty quick. if the time inbetween posts is how long it takes you to get to that speed, i'm impressed, though concerned with the long term stability :toast:


Clockgen Perhaps :)

clockedOut
03-16-2005, 12:28 PM
you're putting out these benches pretty quick. if the time inbetween posts is how long it takes you to get to that speed, i'm impressed, though concerned with the long term stability :toast:

Ummmm, I think he did these last night and is just putting the screens online from work.

S&M
03-16-2005, 12:28 PM
s7e9h3n !

can I have your paypal account address ? if i can - just tell me how much $$$ will make you send this baby to me ....

Dissolved
03-16-2005, 12:28 PM
i believe hes on phasechange..

So these results Will more then likely differ on air/water cooling

Im still waiting for prim95/3d testing.. superPI isny to much of a stable test, unless u run the 32m test i guess..

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 12:29 PM
Ummmm, I think he did these last night and is just putting the screens online from work.
yeah, you're probably right.

dissolved: he said he's on the stock fx-55 cooler.

clockedOut
03-16-2005, 12:30 PM
i believe hes on phasechange..

So these results Will more then likely differ on air/water cooling

Im still waiting for prim95/3d testing.. superPI isny to much of a stable test, unless u run the 32m test i guess..

You didnt read when he said he was using a stock FX cooler?

boostdfd3s
03-16-2005, 12:31 PM
Nice results! cant wait to see these hit zzf and newegg :)

NiCKE^
03-16-2005, 12:31 PM
I do like to know in which price range these nice Venice cpus will be in.

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 12:32 PM
i believe hes on phasechange..

So these results Will more then likely differ on air/water cooling

Im still waiting for prim95/3d testing.. superPI isny to much of a stable test, unless u run the 32m test i guess..


*regged* also here

anyway he's on air ;) A64 FX55 stock cooler just with a different fan tho'..not sure :D

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:33 PM
Now I've only got a couple of more screenies. Since I didn't want to take too big of a risk (yet) with this chip, I limited the Vcore I was feeding it. Te highest I used was 1.45 + 8.3% in bios. This was the Vcore used for these last two shots. As I now look at them, I'm figuring I could give the 3800+ ~.1 more vcore and be relatively safe in terms of temps (voltage, on the other hand, may not be as safe.)

SuperPi could not finish 1m at this voltage, but I'm sure it would be fine with a little bump.....

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/5921/10x2955oq.jpg

charlie
03-16-2005, 12:34 PM
:slobber:
This is SOOOOOO awesome!!! However, lets remember my FX55 benched 3D on AIR at 3000mHz++....this is a great improvement over MOST winnies.

C

SIOUX
03-16-2005, 12:35 PM
With those temps, i´m sure 1.6 would not be at any risk....:)

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 12:36 PM
hmm, so it's fine up to a certain speed, then any more voltage is kinda a moot point. seems typical of the 90nm chips i've seen. time to switch the thing over to the phase change.

chunkylover77
03-16-2005, 12:36 PM
How much are these chips going to be?

Ref
03-16-2005, 12:37 PM
I never heard of A64 dieing from too much voltage, if the temperature was right (e.g. under 50°C AIR).

Try to run 250x12, it'll be easier for CPU than 300x10.

And remember that you have 2 chips, not one :toast:

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 12:37 PM
the same as the current ones + vendor price gouging

cpulloverclock
03-16-2005, 12:37 PM
I'm Hoping the 4200+ ca bench at 3.05-3.1GHz on air
I'm dreaming :D

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 12:38 PM
How much are these chips going to be?

i wonder who can answer this question

anyway from some forum..i've heard they selling the 3800+ Venice around 600 euros

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:38 PM
i believe hes on phasechange..

So these results Will more then likely differ on air/water cooling

Im still waiting for prim95/3d testing.. superPI isny to much of a stable test, unless u run the 32m test i guess..

All of these shots are on stock fx55 heatsink. I wanted to go straight to phase, but concensus was to see shots aircooled. I would have run 32M, but just didn't have the time to. Here's the only "stability" test I ran -

http://img97.exs.cx/img97/4199/10x28016m6ab.jpg

neokenzo
03-16-2005, 12:40 PM
s7e9h3n: Have you tried it with a phase change? Do Venice have the sebzero bug too?

blueworm
03-16-2005, 12:41 PM
How much are these chips going to be?
IIRC AMD's pricing did not change from newcastle 3500+ to winchester 3500+.
There is nothing to make me think it will be any different now.
Price gauging by unscrupulous retailers is another story.

Super Nade
03-16-2005, 12:42 PM
Mate,

Can you post a pic of the actual chip? I hope this isn't a souped up special sample.

Ref
03-16-2005, 12:42 PM
Very nice to have 2800 MHz @ 1.4 V.. hopefully lower binned chips will not be like CBBID winnies... but we will have to see

Please test the OTHER chip on air before going PS, please :)
We wanna know how does it perform too :toast:

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 12:42 PM
Mate,

Can you post a pic of the actual chip? I hope this isn't a souped up special sample.


he already did in the original thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56192

cpulloverclock
03-16-2005, 12:43 PM
Do you want to try to take off the HS? :D

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 12:45 PM
And this last one's for all you suicide screenie lovers. I think I just may push the envelope a little when I get back tonight :D

http://img181.exs.cx/img181/8484/12x2505kc.jpg

boostdfd3s
03-16-2005, 12:48 PM
:brick: why did i buy a new newcastle instead of waiting another month?!?!?!

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 12:48 PM
Hummmm maybe we can hope 3ghz rock stable with watercooling :cool:

jinu117
03-16-2005, 12:48 PM
Seems to be worth waiting with lowly 3000+ (keep in mind I was using FX-55 until I heard news of Venice) :P
I find 3ghz about the sweet spot for some of my games @ 1600x1200 and GPU highly overclocked. Looking forward to getting one in my paw.

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 12:48 PM
And this last one's for all you suicide screenie lovers. I think I just may push the envelope a little when I get back tonight :D

[IMG]http://img181.exs.cx/img181/8484/12x2505kc.jpg[/MG]


well done :)

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 12:49 PM
Hummmm maybe we can hope 3ghz rock stable with watercooling :cool:

i hope so

going to sell my 3000winny @2,7ghz 1,5/1,52vcore RS :D :banana:

madpete
03-16-2005, 12:49 PM
s7e9h3n, thanks for the info so far, and post back after that envelope has been pushed man :up:

blueworm
03-16-2005, 12:51 PM
IIRC AMD's pricing did not change from newcastle 3500+ to winchester 3500+.
There is nothing to make me think it will be any different now.
Price gauging by unscrupulous retailers is another story.
Besides overclockers are the only ones to appreciate the subtle difference between cores. As far as the mass market is concerned it is the same product and will therefore have the same price.

Ref
03-16-2005, 12:51 PM
His chip :toast:

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 12:52 PM
His chip :toast:


where's the cpu coming from?

flutie98
03-16-2005, 12:55 PM
awsome :toast:

koei
03-16-2005, 12:56 PM
Is that 3GHz prime stable? 250 on ram only! 11x300 would be sweet!

shuRe
03-16-2005, 12:57 PM
i hope the turion performs similar to this :)

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 12:58 PM
Is that 3GHz prime stable? 250 on ram only! 11x300 would be sweet!

He said suicide shot........ ;)

Hallowed
03-16-2005, 12:59 PM
Now I'm soooo glad I waited for Venice. :D

Thats just ridiculous. 2.8 GHz @ 1.4v, 3.0 GHz on air and ONLY 34C. Good god these things run cold. Would one even need a fan? :p:

Cant wait to pick one up! :)

cpulloverclock
03-16-2005, 01:03 PM
I want a 3000+ and have 3GHz on air :)
I'll look at the step

blueworm
03-16-2005, 01:07 PM
Now I'm soooo glad I waited for Venice. :D

Thats just ridiculous. 2.8 GHz @ 1.4v, 3.0 GHz on air and ONLY 34C. Good god these things run cold. Would one even need a fan? :p:

Cant wait to pick one up! :)
80mm fans that spin at 5000rpm also do >50db. NOT for 24/7 use.

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 01:07 PM
I'll check to see if these Venices suffer from frostbite tonight... ;)

xxmartin
03-16-2005, 01:09 PM
Hummmm maybe we can hope 3ghz rock stable with watercooling :cool:
Yeah, I think so, too. IHS off, watercooling on and up to 1.65V should easily manage the 3 GHz stable.

Can't wait to get my hands on a 3800+ Venice or maybe 4000+ SanDiego. :D

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 01:10 PM
Now we just have to wish that the 3200+ or 3000+ will not be speed binned :worship:

I don't think many here will buy the 3800+ Venice..... For 500$+ I better get something with 1meg cache....like san diego. :cool:

RAndomaN
03-16-2005, 01:11 PM
nice, im waiting for dual cores myself :) more of a bigger step rather than just a few Mhz

eviLRuLeZ
03-16-2005, 01:11 PM
ok, keep us informing ;)

perry_78
03-16-2005, 01:13 PM
Where's my wallet with my card ;)

Ein0
03-16-2005, 01:14 PM
gimmi 3200+ venice plskthnx~, ill be ebaying my cpu as soon as venice comes out :)

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 01:19 PM
I want a 3000+ and have 3GHz on air :)
I'll look at the step

:toast:

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 01:20 PM
Now it could be nice if we can see some mem controller test 4X512MB @ 1T

Sentential
03-16-2005, 01:22 PM
Guess I picked the wrong thread to look at :( Oh well, I still like my 640 :-/ Nice scores

|SiLA|
03-16-2005, 01:23 PM
Guess I picked the wrong thread to look at :( Oh well, I still like my 640 :-/ Nice scores


u can cheer up watching what VGA he's using :D

J-Mag
03-16-2005, 01:24 PM
Now it could be nice if we can see some mem controller test 4X512MB @ 1T

agreed.

Also, I want to see if the improved mem controller can handle higher mem clocks or tighter timings compared to a Winnie or FX...

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 01:29 PM
Now it could be nice if we can see some mem controller test 4X512MB @ 1T
Well, I've only got 4x256 bh-5 kingston ddr, if that would work.....

Ref
03-16-2005, 01:29 PM
where's the cpu coming from?
It's a CPU owned by author of this thread :)

SLaY3r07
03-16-2005, 01:29 PM
w0w, thats a beefy chip.

LowRun
03-16-2005, 01:29 PM
Dammit, i will have to stay up all night long 'cos tomorrow it will be impossible to surf XS due to every news site pointing to this thread

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 01:30 PM
btw- they're all double sided...

Edit: Wow, it's amazing how many other posts can come in between an attempted back-to-back post for me :D I am referring to my bh-5 here.......

Ref
03-16-2005, 01:30 PM
I hope this isn't a souped up special sample.
Wait until he benches his 3500+ Venice :D

Ref
03-16-2005, 01:31 PM
Well, I've only got 4x256 bh-5 kingston ddr, if that would work.....
Yeah, just test it, if it works :)

trakslacker
03-16-2005, 01:31 PM
oh this just makes my day. woot! You know, I'd even be more than content with a Venice that could go 2.8 rock solid on Air.

Man I'm hoping that all Venice cores will be able to at least hit around 2.8, so we dont have to go on a witch hunt for a special week or stepping.

Venice cores that all can hit about 2.8(even the 3000+:)) + R520 + upcoming ATI enthusiast mobo + G. Skill = me being a VERY happy camper when I build a new rig this summer. :D

S0nic
03-16-2005, 01:36 PM
Venice cores that all can hit about 2.8(even the 3000+:)) + R520 + upcoming ATI enthusiast mobo + G. Skill = me being a VERY happy camper when I build a new rig this summer. :D

G.Skill or VX?

krampak
03-16-2005, 01:36 PM
WTF with the bottom left corner of that picture? That's an adhesive?

cupra
03-16-2005, 01:37 PM
deam, its look like a wonderful core to play with :banana:

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 01:45 PM
WTF with the bottom left corner of that picture? That's an adhesive?
Yeah, and all the benchmarks on here are fake too :rolleyes: Here's another shot of the cpu with "adhesive" on all four corners. (Just a FYI, the IHS isn't perfectly flat. The corners on these cpu's tend to be a bit higher - as in many other a64's I've seen.)

http://img219.exs.cx/img219/1205/3800venice25th.jpg

trakslacker
03-16-2005, 01:51 PM
G.Skill or VX?


I'd have to go G. Skill or equivalent TCCD or TCCE or whatever high FSB, low-volt solution is the mainstay in a few months. This is b/c I am a poor college student who cant afford more than one pair of RAM. I know VX are great, but there have been several cases of them dying even within the 3.67v limits. This is where the problem comes in, as I am a CIS minor and I NEED to have my computer up and running every single day. I always have too many programming and analysis projects going to be able to have my comp go down on me, even for a day or two.

While VX may net me a bit better bandwidth overall, I simply cant afford to run the risk of any components dying on me.(yes, i understand that anything can break at any time, especially when OC'ed, but you know what I mean). :)

krampak
03-16-2005, 01:54 PM
Yeah, and all the benchmarks on here are fake too

it wasn't insinuating that :rolleyes:

cheece2001
03-16-2005, 01:54 PM
thats so amazing. I think i will get the 3200+ version of the venice to upgraed. Will it be a big performance bost from 2.6c@3.27 to the venice 3200+? I wan't to make this upgrade worth while.

agenda2005
03-16-2005, 01:55 PM
Very nice and encouraging result! Thank you for the info.

Please keep them coming. Please ..please..please try if those doble sided 4X256MB memory will run at T1. That that is a very important test we need to know.

dippyskoodlez
03-16-2005, 01:57 PM
Wanna know about cold bug!!!

:D

Hopefully that problem is fixed. btw, this an nf4? so I see amd fixed the "venice bug"? :D

S0nic
03-16-2005, 02:01 PM
btw, this an nf4? so I see amd fixed the "venice bug"? :D

he's using a NEO2

cheece2001
03-16-2005, 02:05 PM
I think i will get the 3200+ version of the venice to upgraed. Will it be a big performance bost from 2.6c@3.27 to the venice 3200+? I wan't to make this upgrade worth while.

roscoe211
03-16-2005, 02:12 PM
Assuming the 3200 oc's as well as the 3800, it will be worthwhile.

=[PULSAR]=
03-16-2005, 02:22 PM
Soooo much info in this thread already I might have missed it but ticket price on this chip yet?

Kunaak
03-16-2005, 02:23 PM
if that CPU has no Cold bug, it's a great addition to the AMD64 line.
the winchesters were never of much interest to me, cause anything I can't put under sub zero, really isn't very useful to me.
hopefully, these CPU's solve that issue.
cause the Addition of SSE3 must be nice, and hopefully the updated memcontroller finally supports 4 sticks of ram, at DDR400 speeds.

can you try super Pi with, and without the SSE3 patch.

if you don't have the patch, please email me and I will send them to you.
I been compiling a list of how the SSE2/SSE3 patches effect AMD64's, and prescotts, to evaluate whether or not I consider them a cheat.

(by the way, after what I seen of AMD64's with the SSE2 patch, comparing them to P4's with the SSE2 patch, I really can't say they are cheats-the results are identical, regaurdless of brand of CPU used... but I will add that to my Anti Cheating post soon ;) with results)

leanintoit
03-16-2005, 02:23 PM
s7e9h3n,

Thanks for taking the time to fill us all in.
Do you have any pics of the 3500+?
Would you mind running the 3500+ on air before you set up the phase change for the 3800+?

xs64
03-16-2005, 02:29 PM
OMG :slobber: :slobber: I cant wait to touch my hands to this amazing CPU ( My Winnie has just broken some pins :bsod: )

Can u show some screenshot of prime stable ? :hehe:

:cord: :toast:

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 02:36 PM
if that CPU has no Cold bug, it's a great addition to the AMD64 line.
the winchesters were never of much interest to me, cause anything I can't put under sub zero, really isn't very useful to me.
hopefully, these CPU's solve that issue.
cause the Addition of SSE3 must be nice, and hopefully the updated memcontroller finally supports 4 sticks of ram, at DDR400 speeds.

can you try super Pi with, and without the SSE3 patch.

if you don't have the patch, please email me and I will send them to you.
I been compiling a list of how the SSE2/SSE3 patches effect AMD64's, and prescotts, to evaluate whether or not I consider them a cheat.

(by the way, after what I seen of AMD64's with the SSE2 patch, comparing them to P4's with the SSE2 patch, I really can't say they are cheats-the results are identical, regaurdless of brand of CPU used... but I will add that to my Anti Cheating post soon ;) with results)

No prob, I don't currently have the patch on file, so I'll e-mail you for it now......

mrbios
03-16-2005, 02:37 PM
NICE! cant wait to hear if the cold bug has been fixed

matt9669
03-16-2005, 02:39 PM
if that CPU has no Cold bug, it's a great addition to the AMD64 line.
the winchesters were never of much interest to me, cause anything I can't put under sub zero, really isn't very useful to me.Ditto, I'm just hoping the 90nm FX's don't suffer from this, though if the Venice cores show no problems it will open up possibilities :D

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 02:41 PM
s7e9h3n,

Thanks for taking the time to fill us all in.
Do you have any pics of the 3500+?
Would you mind running the 3500+ on air before you set up the phase change for the 3800+?

Actually, I do. I'm contemplating whether or not to run the cpu yet. I think that if/when I sell it, it's nicer when one gets something that is "brand new." :) Also, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same stepping as this 3800+ so performance would be similar. That being said, I still may test it for the sake of testing it.

mrbios
03-16-2005, 02:44 PM
Actually, I do. I'm contemplating whether or not to run the cpu yet. I think that if/when I sell it, it's nicer when one gets something that is "brand new." :) Also, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same stepping as this 3800+ so performance would be similar. That being said, I still may test it for the sake of testing it.

test it tbqfh ;) and under some cold temperatures :stick:

S0nic
03-16-2005, 02:45 PM
Actually, I do. I'm contemplating whether or not to run the cpu yet. I think that if/when I sell it, it's nicer when one gets something that is "brand new." :) Also, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same stepping as this 3800+ so performance would be similar. That being said, I still may test it for the sake of testing it.

ya but I'm sure people will be willing to pay more if they know what they're getting for their money..

Caper
03-16-2005, 02:46 PM
Actually, I do. I'm contemplating whether or not to run the cpu yet. I think that if/when I sell it, it's nicer when one gets something that is "brand new." :) Also, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same stepping as this 3800+ so performance would be similar. That being said, I still may test it for the sake of testing it.
Test it, I don´t mind buying it...if it overclocks like the 3800+ :)

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 02:46 PM
test it tbqfh ;) and under some cold temperatures :stick:

tbqfh?

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 02:47 PM
Test it, I don´t mind buying it...if it overclocks like the 3800+ :)
And if it doesn't? :D

matt9669
03-16-2005, 02:47 PM
I certainly understand, some peeps don't like the idea that they're buying a processor that's been overclocked.

That said, I'm sure anyone around here would buy it, including me ;)

mrbios
03-16-2005, 02:48 PM
tbqfh?

its the long version of saying "to be honest" (tbh) q = quite f = ...well cant say that hear lol

(i have a habit of putting tbh on anything i can)

cheece2001
03-16-2005, 02:48 PM
omg tihs is so exciting. I have been with inetl for so long now and i think thats about to change. I am starting to NOTICE AMD now.... sorry..
I am really looking forward to getting the 3200+ and watch it climb the ladder like a mad man.

Nubius
03-16-2005, 02:49 PM
Man that thing seems nice. Look at that low ass vcore on stock! It's gotta stay really cool and get some nice OC's just with stock alone...hmmm delicious

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 02:49 PM
Let's not make this thread into a f/s one. (I don't wanna piss off any mods ;) .) When the time is right, I'll let everyone know......

LowRun
03-16-2005, 02:52 PM
I think you would have no problem selling it on XS, even pretested :D

Caper
03-16-2005, 02:55 PM
And if it doesn't? :D
Then I buy your 3800+ ;)

Seriously, I would´t mind buying a "pretested" cpu to a little higher price.
Done that several times and spared me a lot of time and money to find a cpu that pleases me.

Edit: Enough about selling talk...try out that 3500+ on air and then put them under subzero temps also :)

cheece2001
03-16-2005, 03:01 PM
yes, please we want those babies to freeze. ...Man this thread groes so damn fast. Lets see some 300MHz htt

chunkylover77
03-16-2005, 03:03 PM
I certainly understand, some peeps don't like the idea that they're buying a processor that's been overclocked.

That said, I'm sure anyone around here would buy it, including me ;)
Stand in line buddy. :slap:

matt9669
03-16-2005, 03:06 PM
You're safe s7e9h3n, I'm a mod :up: If peeps start making offers in the thread, let me know and I'll shut them down.

Hmm, rock-paper-scissors Chunky? :ROTF:

situman
03-16-2005, 03:10 PM
reminds of me northwood cores. Massive gains before upping the voltage. But the last 100 or so MHZ requires a massive raise in vcore. Looks impressive so far. 3ghz on suicide runs.

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 03:11 PM
At the rate this thread seems to be going, I'll probably reach the minimum post count to put these up for sale in the trading forum here :p:

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 03:25 PM
You must test the 3500+ too! Do it for the OC science! We must know if 3ghz is possible on 3500+ too ;)

B5I8
03-16-2005, 03:37 PM
I think 3GHz stable is possible with a good heatsink like a Thermalright XP-120 or a Zalman 7700 and some volts. I'd say we can expect some even better OC's as soon as they get the process perfected.

Richie
03-16-2005, 03:55 PM
Yeaahh!! :banana: :banana: :banana: you hit 3ghz :D

nice work here mate, it was worth the exhausting and stranuous wait!

conrad.maranan
03-16-2005, 04:05 PM
I'll just sit back and wait for the sub-zero results. If that puppy can play in the cold, there's no reason why the 90nm FX can't.

matt9669
03-16-2005, 04:06 PM
I'll just sit back and wait for the sub-zero results. If that puppy can play in the cold, there's no reason why the 90nm FX can't.That's what I'm thinking . . .

Kriller
03-16-2005, 04:07 PM
Nice! That chip would be nice, I thought that my 3200+ @260x10 1,57v 1:1 was pretty good, but when I se this, can't find the words :p

trakslacker
03-16-2005, 04:12 PM
Assuming this baby works at subzero temps, I'm gonna say somewhere just north of 3.3Ghz. May be a bit optimistic, but hell, I'm excited1 :)

*DISCLAIMER* - I in NO WAY intend for anything in this post to be taken as a "rumor" or substantiated claim. Rather, everything above is just my mindless blathering. the End.

scrible88
03-16-2005, 04:18 PM
I'm also waiting for subzero temps. If it works well we may see the first FX-55 @ 4ghz, w00t!

Magnj
03-16-2005, 04:18 PM
---guy with new cool ship---
DO you know if the new Chips will be speed binned? Will all 3X00's get similar results?

[XC] leviathan18
03-16-2005, 04:21 PM
omfg 3 on air stock fx 55 cooling just sad about my cpu :( somebody wants a 3500 newcastle and do me a favor in fact i would change it for a 3200 venice :D april is so far :(

pershoot
03-16-2005, 04:27 PM
wow great results! man i cant wait to ditch this winnie (didnt even have it for that long, haha).

Gogeta
03-16-2005, 04:27 PM
Impressive. Looking forward to the cold. Make sure to test your max mem overclock with this chip as compared to an older winny or newcastle.

trakslacker
03-16-2005, 04:31 PM
mm...hopefully stephen will be gracing us with some screenies here shortly.

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 04:42 PM
mm...hopefully stephen will be gracing us with some screenies here shortly.

I wouldn't say "shortly" - I'm still at work. :( It'll be at least a couple of hours before I'd have anything new to post. Hopefully nobody's killing themselves trying to stay awake just to see a Venice on ice :)

Kjaks
03-16-2005, 04:47 PM
Nice screenies, and the cpu seems great! :toast:

ozzimark
03-16-2005, 04:57 PM
I wouldn't say "shortly" - I'm still at work. :( It'll be at least a couple of hours before I'd have anything new to post. Hopefully nobody's killing themselves trying to stay awake just to see a Venice on ice :)
no problems, i've got about 6 hours before i should be asleep. i'm sure i'll see some preliminary stuff at the least. good luck getting it sub-zero :toast:

and welcome to the forums kjaks :banana:

trakslacker
03-16-2005, 04:57 PM
Hopefully nobody's killing themselves trying to stay awake just to see a Venice on ice :)


nah, well I'm not at least. Actually biding my time by doing some Econ. homework. hoo ha for college.

s7e9h3n
03-16-2005, 05:02 PM
nah, well I'm not at least. Actually biding my time by doing some Econ. homework. hoo ha for college.
Man, good ol' college days. I don't know how I got my degree from Berkeley when I spent more time oc'n my 1.6a Northwood than on all of my econ homework combined =)

Cpt Twitchy
03-16-2005, 05:04 PM
3Ghz on air :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: simply amazing. Very nice chip :toast:

Ryan45
03-16-2005, 05:11 PM
:slobber: Thats all I can say....

EMC2
03-16-2005, 05:21 PM
Was thinking about this all day, after the post last night.. well worth the wait s7e9h3n :toast:

Now FLOOR IT! :lol:

IvanAndreevich
03-16-2005, 05:36 PM
Give it 1.65V and bench @ 3+ GHz

Boogotop
03-16-2005, 06:12 PM
nice cpu!!! :D

isp
03-16-2005, 06:12 PM
You put her under phase yet?... she's beggin for it!!!

neokenzo
03-16-2005, 06:20 PM
Cant wait to see her under phase :)

Geforce4ti4200
03-16-2005, 07:13 PM
hmmmm I have some mixed feelings about Venice. Firstly he needed a very expensive 3800+ which is amd's highest speed bin and lots of volts to hit 2.95GHz and it may not be 100% stable either, just stable enough to get to windows and do quick superPI runs, 100% stable may be perhaps 2.9GHz or even less. We still have yet to see a large sample and of 3000+ and 3200+ examples too. A conclusion would be too haste to make based on a single early(engineering sample?) of a 3800+ and for all we know his could be a bad clocker. I am still worried how well Venice will work in existing mobos, especially my gigabyte nf3.

as for those who recently bought a winny, I had suggested you wait for venice in many threads, but winnies still arent that bad if you dont mind losing 200-300MHz performance, better ondie, sse3 and higher IPC but cant wait! You could always ebay your winny and go venice, its simple as that and not the end of the world. I will have to wait and see how well the 3000+ and 3200+ are doing, those speed bins are in my price range before I decide to get one now or keep waiting.

A_X
03-16-2005, 07:25 PM
Give it 1.65V and bench @ 3+ GHz
Yes, what he says! C'mon! you won't kill it that easilly... Those temps are fine.

Stumpjumper5200
03-16-2005, 07:26 PM
If the new design likes to go Antarctic, I can't wait to see a San Diego with a cascade :banana:

If the 3Ghz barrier is easily broken with water on these new cores, the sound of my credit card begging for mercy will be music to my ears. Plus I'll be able to finally use this Storm G4 I have laying around :banana: :banana: :banana:

Rabbi_NZ
03-16-2005, 07:38 PM
Subscribed

terrace215
03-16-2005, 07:42 PM
hmmmm I have some mixed feelings about Venice. Firstly he needed a very expensive 3800+ which is amd's highest speed bin and lots of volts to hit 2.95GHz and it may not be 100% stable either, just stable enough to get to windows and do quick superPI runs, 100% stable may be perhaps 2.9GHz or even less. We still have yet to see a large sample and of 3000+ and 3200+ examples too. A conclusion would be too haste to make based on a single early(engineering sample?) of a 3800+ and for all we know his could be a bad clocker. I am still worried how well Venice will work in existing mobos, especially my gigabyte nf3.

as for those who recently bought a winny, I had suggested you wait for venice in many threads, but winnies still arent that bad if you dont mind losing 200-300MHz performance, better ondie, sse3 and higher IPC but cant wait! You could always ebay your winny and go venice, its simple as that and not the end of the world. I will have to wait and see how well the 3000+ and 3200+ are doing, those speed bins are in my price range before I decide to get one now or keep waiting.


What? The 2.4GHz / 1.35v (!) part runs at 2.76GHz *at stock voltage* *on air*, and hits 2.89GHz at only 1.4v *on air*.

That's excellent.

conrad.maranan
03-16-2005, 07:47 PM
Geforce4ti4200 - You really should check out the screenshots again. His data should be considered preliminary since it is obvious that the time he has put into the testing has been less than brief. Besides, this is barely the first glimpse we're getting on Venice and no one knows if his sample is a bad clocker. We'll see more down the road, and then we can speculate and make assumptions. ;)

Geforce4ti4200
03-16-2005, 08:05 PM
I have already said we cant be too hasty based on one venice being tested. also this is a 3800+ no one yet knows how the 3000+ will do, will it be any better than my 3000+ winny at 2.6GHz? Not everyone has $500 for a 3800+ venice. I am also curious how it likes the cold, test that 3500+ venice too


edit: one more thing, no one knows how stable venice will be on todays mobos, even if it boots, is it stable?

Charloz24
03-16-2005, 08:09 PM
@ Conrad: Let's just hope that Venice will make your sentence in your sig no more true ;)

conrad.maranan
03-16-2005, 08:16 PM
My signature will always be the truth for us average folks. It rarely applies to the OC gods, although sometimes they are subject to some misfortunes as well. ;)

Squid_Spit
03-16-2005, 09:20 PM
Lets hope that it does clock well, so far so good.

Kunaak
03-16-2005, 09:24 PM
winnies still arent that bad if you dont mind losing 200-300MHz performance, better ondie, sse3 and higher IPC but cant wait!.

why would a Venice have a Higher IPC then any other AMD 64?

Rabbi_NZ
03-16-2005, 09:35 PM
why would a Venice have a Higher IPC then any other AMD 64?
Wouldn't SSE3 effect IPC?

Geforce4ti4200
03-16-2005, 09:43 PM
why would a Venice have a Higher IPC then any other AMD 64?


amd may do tweaks to the cache, ondie controller and what not. I already saw benchmarks where a winny was 3-5% faster than a newcastle(both s939) and I hear venice will once again raise this

Snowman89
03-16-2005, 09:44 PM
omg!
is there any improvment in performance clock for clock against a winnie?
a winnie at 2.6ghz vs a venice at 2.6ghz which wins?
is the venice gonna be 3200 to?

conrad.maranan
03-16-2005, 09:46 PM
amd may do tweaks to the cache, ondie controller and what not.
They may do tweaks, they may not. We'll see.

I think we won't be seeing some subzero action/results until tomorrow. I hope s7e9h3n is successful freezing that puppy. :)

Dumo
03-16-2005, 09:49 PM
With these new cpu, especially fx57 the oc results are predictable....
sandra mem bw/cpu arith @ 10k/16.5k, superpi 1M @ 24 and below, 3d01 @ 40k and up....and Aquamark probly shattered 120k(with sli)... :D

(sin)morpheus
03-16-2005, 10:10 PM
Yes, I can't wait to see the subzero clocks as well. My winnie doesn't get much more from the cold temps than it does on air.

mcnbns
03-16-2005, 10:11 PM
I really hope they don't do massive speed binning. I'd love to buy a 3000+ and overclock it to 2.8-3GHz on water. :slobber: As has been previously stated, not everyone here has $500 waiting to be tossed on the counter for a new CPU. Some of us barely have $200. :p:

THANK YOU FOR THE RESULTS S739H3N! :toast:

CTKP
03-16-2005, 10:14 PM
Lets not hope that they dont speed bin, lets hope that all the chips are uniform and all will rocket. :D

OjorisO
03-16-2005, 10:33 PM
WOW :slobber:

[butthead voice]Come to Joris :p: [/butthead voice]

corvus_corax
03-16-2005, 10:37 PM
Only i want a strong/robust memory controller :) More than Winnys.
SSE3 would be a plus :)

waiho2k1
03-16-2005, 10:46 PM
Really hope that Venice would have better memory controller than that of Winni... So far I don't any different except it can clock really high...

trakslacker
03-16-2005, 10:47 PM
i believe its been largely confirmed that Venice cores will benefit from upgraded mem controllers. the whole IPC increase and such is all speculation AFAIK.

MaxxxRacer
03-16-2005, 10:49 PM
wow.. just wow... as soon as the prices are reasonable and supply is reasonable my winnie is getting the boot out of here... 2.35ghz and barely stable... POS.

Ackbar
03-16-2005, 10:52 PM
wow.. just wow... as soon as the prices are reasonable and supply is reasonable my winnie is getting the boot out of here... 2.35ghz and barely stable... POS.

You must've gotten the same batch of Winchester I did! I got a 3200+ CBBID 0451CPBW and could only get to 2.35... barely.

TimoneX
03-16-2005, 11:03 PM
If you saw the screenies he's already posted it looks like venice is about 3% faster than a winchester clock for clock.

MaxxxRacer
03-16-2005, 11:08 PM
sounds good. ackbar. mine is an 0506.. so not the same batch. but it sucks hardcore just like urs... i keep thinking to myself this cant be and there must be some other way to get it up higher... but no.. nothing.

reject
03-16-2005, 11:33 PM
512k is not fast enough for me...
staying 754, newark turion 64s will 0wn

shuRe
03-16-2005, 11:59 PM
the turions look nice, but i only seen them 1.8 on 1.2vcore, and you cant really compare that to 2.4 on 1.175 with dc, even when they have the extra cache. :(

redgoo
03-17-2005, 12:02 AM
Yay, no more teasing ;) Can't way to see more.

zt_lee
03-17-2005, 12:09 AM
where's the cpu coming from?
from my hometown malaysia... rocksssss

mr_knowitall15
03-17-2005, 12:24 AM
His chip :toast:
lol cbble???like the counter strike map??? :rotf:

STEvil
03-17-2005, 12:31 AM
wow.. just wow... as soon as the prices are reasonable and supply is reasonable my winnie is getting the boot out of here... 2.35ghz and barely stable... POS.

been lots of talk of the problem being the VID settings.

Ad Rock
03-17-2005, 12:35 AM
This chip looks amazing and I cant wait to see it frozen.

Looks like I may finally make the jump from my trusty AXP-Mobile. Now I just want to see some more stable mobo's out....

mrlobber
03-17-2005, 01:51 AM
been lots of talk of the problem being the VID settings.

Didn't help my CBBID 0451 crap at all.

Waiting to be rescued by Venice :D

uiboliit
03-17-2005, 02:05 AM
How high can it go with a 9x multiplier? the cheapest venice should be 3000+ 9x200 ?

Tim
03-17-2005, 02:20 AM
*ahum FLOOR IT *cough

Air cooled + 1.65v = ?!

Venice + Subzero + X.XX volts = ???? !

I'm dying here :slobber: :D

(greetz to curious EOCF people :D )

s7e9h3n
03-17-2005, 02:52 AM
Hello all,
Man it's been a long night with this Venice. You cannont even begin to comprehend how quarky this cpu is. I've managed to get a few more screenshots and I'll have to post them tomorrow since I'm dead on my feet. It's almost 4:00AM here and I need to get some sleep for work tomorrow. I know you all are wondering what's the deal with venice and sub zero....well here's the answer:

http://img63.exs.cx/img63/4923/cpuz30000xe.jpg

-47C on stock Mach2 Display
-31C from Type K Thermocouple mounted to the side of the IHS

Move over Winchesters, cause Venice has arrived...... ;)

neokenzo
03-17-2005, 02:52 AM
Sweet :D

reject
03-17-2005, 03:04 AM
is that like 24 hours stable? cuase it seems a bit low compared to 2.9 on stock air

andL64
03-17-2005, 03:05 AM
thats exactly what we were finally waitin for :D

:thumbsup:

Ailleur
03-17-2005, 03:16 AM
Okay ill think ill be getting rocks thrown at me but i really dotn see what the big deal is.
First, its already a 3800+, a 450mhz overclock (and thats only superpi 1mb stable) isnt anything to write home about. Hell if it stops at 2850mhz (he said it didnt finish a 2900, so thats less than 30 seconds of stability), a good 3000+ can already do that.

Then 3000mhz at -47? Sure he didnt throw 1.70volts at it but im not sure these will even TAKE 1.7v, theres always a threshold where upping the voltage actually does anything, and if the stock voltage is lower, then the upper voltage will follow.

I guess im gonna have to see what a 3000 or a 3200 can do cause a 18% overclock (that we dont know is stable) on air isnt really blowing my pants away.

Hombre
03-17-2005, 03:29 AM
3Ghz @ 1.36v :slobber: Is that stable (ofcourse not, what am I thinking)? If not, what is the voltage required to get 3ghz rockstable?

pazza316
03-17-2005, 03:31 AM
Anyone seen any San Diego Cores Clocked on Vapo yet?

DrJay
03-17-2005, 03:37 AM
but winnies still arent that bad if you dont mind losing 200-300MHz performance, better ondie, sse3 and higher IPC but cant wait!

:confused: ? :confused:


why would a Venice have a Higher IPC then any other AMD 64?
My thoughts exactly. :lol: Geforce, where did you hear that. I dont think SSE3 support and optimizations = IPC.

Ad Rock
03-17-2005, 03:43 AM
Okay ill think ill be getting rocks thrown at me but i really dotn see what the big deal is.
First, its already a 3800+, a 450mhz overclock (and thats only superpi 1mb stable) isnt anything to write home about. Hell if it stops at 2850mhz (he said it didnt finish a 2900, so thats less than 30 seconds of stability), a good 3000+ can already do that.

Then 3000mhz at -47? Sure he didnt throw 1.70volts at it but im not sure these will even TAKE 1.7v, theres always a threshold where upping the voltage actually does anything, and if the stock voltage is lower, then the upper voltage will follow.

I guess im gonna have to see what a 3000 or a 3200 can do cause a 18% overclock (that we dont know is stable) on air isnt really blowing my pants away.

I think the point of that last screenshot that he showed us was to let us know that the Venice core can run stable in the -'s. Seeing as how the Vcore is so low he has not pushed the chip yet, just simply showing us that it will run with the superlow temps.

isp
03-17-2005, 03:47 AM
So, phase change only got you 100mhz? :( or maybe you haven't finished pushing it...I hope :)

I think the point of that last screenshot that he showed us was to let us know that the Venice core can run stable in the -'s.
I don't see any stability?

The Coolest
03-17-2005, 03:54 AM
:confused: ? :confused:


My thoughts exactly. :lol: Geforce, where did you here that. I dont think SSE3 support and optimizations = IPC.
The E revision chips have a redesigned memory controller and erreta fixes that increase the performance.
The erreta fixes usually increase performance in any application that needs raw CPU power, but the affect of erreta is really negligible. But apps with need for memory bandwidth and especially games will probably see a gain of a few % when comparing Venice and Winchester at the same speed.
Its the same story as it was when we went from NewCastles to Winchesters, there was a very little, but consistant increase in performance on the Winchester.

krille
03-17-2005, 04:06 AM
woooot!! can't wait for san diego on ice :banana4:

DrJay
03-17-2005, 04:12 AM
Its the same story as it was when we went from NewCastles to Winchesters, there was a very little, but consistant increase in performance on the Winchester.

Right. Very little because they were optimizations, which is what you are speaking of. I'm not an expert in this field but to the best of my knowledge, to change the instructions per cycle, you'd need to alter the architecture of the cpu.

TysonM
03-17-2005, 04:14 AM
is that like 24 hours stable? cuase it seems a bit low compared to 2.9 on stock air

24 hours??? Lol. We've all been jumping on him to check out phase change every few minutes, we certainly haven't given him 24 hours to play with!!!

I see that he can reach 3gig with lower volts than he needed on air...

-47c? I don't see no cold bug here!!!!

Things are looking gooooooooooooood...

S7e9h3n... :worship: :worship: :worship: THANK YOU!

The Coolest
03-17-2005, 04:38 AM
Right. Very little because they were optimizations, which is what you are speaking of. I'm not an expert in this field but to the best of my knowledge, to change the instructions per cycle, you'd need to alter the architecture of the cpu.
Yeah, you're right. But its not optimizations, its errata fixes. Errata is basically a bug in the CPU, so when it gets fixed, performance increases by a small margin as the CPU doesn't have to deal with the consequences of these "bugs".
In the first post I wanted, but forgot to say "He (Geforce4ti4200) probably meant increased performance and not actually higher IPC".
errata fixes increase the efficiency of the chip, they do not increase the IPC of a chip.

EMC2
03-17-2005, 04:52 AM
Hello all,
Man it's been a long night with this Venice. ,,,, It's almost 4:00AM here and I need to get some sleep for work tomorrow. I know you all are wondering what's the deal with venice and sub zero....well here's the answer:

-47C on stock Mach2 Display
-31C from Type K Thermocouple mounted to the side of the IHS

Move over Winchesters, cause Venice has arrived...... ;)

No cold bug :D Now the only Q is how the mem controller tweaks do.

Thank you s7e9h3n for your efforts! :toast:

Ref
03-17-2005, 05:03 AM
:slobber:
3 GHz @ 1.36 V ;)

nice, test it more, we wanna see moore :toast:
and remember to test 4x256 MB RAM 1T and your other Venice :D

[XC] leviathan18
03-17-2005, 05:03 AM
come on friday arrive soon plz so our friend s7e9h3n can play with that cpu and show to us how far can OC it with sub 0 temps (give the poor man a rest 4am and his awake)

esdee
03-17-2005, 05:12 AM
:confused: ? :confused:


My thoughts exactly. :lol: Geforce, where did you hear that. I dont think SSE3 support and optimizations = IPC.


that clock per clock advantage of the Venice should be true considered the new SOI process the venice has, i doudt it's because of the SSE3 support

[XC] leviathan18
03-17-2005, 05:19 AM
venice has sSOI process? or that is just reserved for the fx 57?

WiCKeD
03-17-2005, 05:24 AM
24 hours??? Lol. We've all been jumping on him to check out phase change every few minutes, we certainly haven't given him 24 hours to play with!!!I'd settle for 10 minutes on Prime or maybe even a 3DMark run... I want to know what these things can actually run at.

krille
03-17-2005, 05:24 AM
hey, what time is it over there in Happy Land? :banana:

I wanna know how long till WEEEK-END!! :toast:

clockedOut
03-17-2005, 05:31 AM
I'd settle for 10 minutes on Prime or maybe even a 3DMark run... I want to know what these things can actually run at.

Well your not gonna get 3D from him soon.... he only has a crappy PCI graphics card.

I think thats what I read.... :shrug: :wierd: Way toooooo much info in these threads.

Snowman89
03-17-2005, 05:49 AM
is the venice gonna be cheaper or expensiver than the winchester?

[XC] leviathan18
03-17-2005, 05:50 AM
yes he has a 9800 pro

krille
03-17-2005, 05:54 AM
is the venice gonna be cheaper or expensiver than the winchester?

Most certainly the same MSRP from AMD. Then the retailer can of course gauge the price quite a bit, if he finds fit. Pretty soon, though, prices will be as relaxed as they're now on the winchies. All speculations though.

Sentential
03-17-2005, 06:00 AM
Very very nice :toast: Glad AMD worked the bugs out

dippyskoodlez
03-17-2005, 06:02 AM
Very very nice :toast: Glad AMD worked the bugs out


As am I... I just "inherited" 4 air conditioners... :D

fagin
03-17-2005, 06:11 AM
I really don't see any negatives with 3 Ghz at only 1.36. Thats very impressive to me - even non stable - give the guy some time to post his results! A bit of patience. Thanks for your efforts s7e9h3n :toast:

BTW - my winnie is suprisingly robust as far as vcore is concerned. I accidently left it at 2.60 on 1.8vcore. Using water cooling. I was running F@H. I came back 8 hours later, and it was still running at a CPU temp of 64C - this was also putting 3.6v through my BH6. I mention this just to illustrate than my winnie isn't a fragile little flower, so I hope the Venice isn't either :toast:

Levish
03-17-2005, 06:49 AM
good job!

i found nemo
03-17-2005, 07:14 AM
holy ba jeebus

krille
03-17-2005, 07:33 AM
I really don't see any negatives with 3 Ghz at only 1.36. Thats very impressive to me - even non stable - give the guy some time to post his results! A bit of patience. Thanks for your efforts s7e9h3n :toast:

BTW - my winnie is suprisingly robust as far as vcore is concerned. I accidently left it at 2.60 on 1.8vcore. Using water cooling. I was running F@H. I came back 8 hours later, and it was still running at a CPU temp of 64C - this was also putting 3.6v through my BH6. I mention this just to illustrate than my winnie isn't a fragile little flower, so I hope the Venice isn't either :toast:

Well, someone had his FX-55 running for weeks with severe condensation problems - there was water all over (he realized this when he checked twice, but fortunatley had been using dielectric grease on the pins). The system got quite unstable at times, but the mobo and FX-55 survived. That's what I call robust.

MrQ3W
03-17-2005, 07:37 AM
My Newcastle has survived 2.16V pumping through it for an hour with only the stock cooler to protect it. :D

DrJay
03-17-2005, 08:00 AM
In the first post I wanted, but forgot to say "He (Geforce4ti4200) probably meant increased performance and not actually higher IPC".

Makes sense. Higher performance but most likely not higher IPC. :banana:

Tekdemon
03-17-2005, 08:09 AM
dammit I was all set to buy a Winchester 3000+ but now I'm tempted to wait for Venice to come out in 3000+ trim...
Although I guess we don't really know how the yields are going to be yet.

krille
03-17-2005, 08:12 AM
What's up with the benches? We're waiting :D

No, really, take your time... and blast the thing to HELL!! :devil:

trakslacker
03-17-2005, 08:21 AM
yeah, I'm almost certain his screenie was just to show that Venice has no subzero boot issues. give the man time, I'm sure he'll give us what we want to see.

And as much as I hate to say this, stephen, go get some sleep! :)

clockedOut
03-17-2005, 08:25 AM
dammit I was all set to buy a Winchester 3000+ but now I'm tempted to wait for Venice to come out in 3000+ trim...
Although I guess we don't really know how the yields are going to be yet.

I really dont see why anybody wants to buy a winchester??? The newer ones seem to be poor clockers and have weak mem controllers.
UNLESS you can find the MAGIC cpu.

terrace215
03-17-2005, 08:32 AM
Right. Very little because they were optimizations, which is what you are speaking of. I'm not an expert in this field but to the best of my knowledge, to change the instructions per cycle, you'd need to alter the architecture of the cpu.

No, you certainly aren't. :)

Improved performance at the same clock = more instructions per cycle. The global architecture does not need to be changed. Optimizations "count" too.

TommyW
03-17-2005, 08:44 AM
than can we buy this amaizing cpu :slobber: :slobber:

i think i wait and only buy a new mobo , video card , memory , case

and after that i buy me new vanice 3200+ :slobber: :slobber:

Kunaak
03-17-2005, 08:58 AM
amd may do tweaks to the cache, ondie controller and what not. I already saw benchmarks where a winny was 3-5% faster than a newcastle(both s939) and I hear venice will once again raise this

the reason why this happend is not cause of anything being tweaked or really changed in any signifigant way.
it's cause they moved from the .13 process to the .09.
thats all.

TommyW
03-17-2005, 09:00 AM
less heat more pref... :D

shuRe
03-17-2005, 09:12 AM
i agree with Ailluer. So it can do 3g underphase which is OK. It does 2.9 on air stable? (maybe) which is about a 2.7g fx55.

fx55 will do 2.7 on air easy, prolly 2.8-2.9 if ur lucky, and seeing that this is a 3800+ i cant see it being that cheaper than a 130nm fx55..

If the 3500+ could do 3g stable on air then i would be impressed.

Caper
03-17-2005, 09:16 AM
look at this
already avaible? (http://www.stegpc.ch/details.asp?prodid=amd-64-35v)

:stick:

Nope, just because it´s listed doesn´t mean it´s available.
They have none at stock.
A company here in Sweden has also listed it and expect it to be available April 26.

s7e9h3n
03-17-2005, 09:17 AM
Okay ill think ill be getting rocks thrown at me but i really dotn see what the big deal is.
First, its already a 3800+, a 450mhz overclock (and thats only superpi 1mb stable) isnt anything to write home about. Hell if it stops at 2850mhz (he said it didnt finish a 2900, so thats less than 30 seconds of stability), a good 3000+ can already do that.

Then 3000mhz at -47? Sure he didnt throw 1.70volts at it but im not sure these will even TAKE 1.7v, theres always a threshold where upping the voltage actually does anything, and if the stock voltage is lower, then the upper voltage will follow.

I guess im gonna have to see what a 3000 or a 3200 can do cause a 18% overclock (that we dont know is stable) on air isnt really blowing my pants away.

Hey, if you cared to read the thread, you'd understand that the "big deal" doesn't concern pure clock speed as opposed to basic characteristics of the new Venice core. Show me your Winchester that can boot at -30C and we'll talk, otherwise just continue to read and you may get a better understanding of why this thread is here in the first place. Btw, I DID throw 1.7V+ at the cpu - I just haven't posted the results.....yet.... :)

DrJay
03-17-2005, 09:17 AM
No, you certainly aren't. No need for that. We can agree to disagree,.......at least until one of us is proven wrong.



Improved performance at the same clock = more instructions per cycle. The global architecture does not need to be changed. Optimizations "count" too.

I think improved performace can be achieved by things like more efficient handling / routing of data. It seems like such things could result in increased performace to you, the user of the computer without actually increasing the internal IPC of the cpu.

Caper
03-17-2005, 09:18 AM
Btw, I DID throw 1.7V+ at the cpu - I just haven't posted the results.....yet.... :)


What are ya waiting for??
:)

andL64
03-17-2005, 09:21 AM
yeah but none in stock its also listend @ geizhals 3x 3800+ 1x .13 2x .09 cores one is a venice with BP stepping not really available.
Still one shop has it listend in .de they also got listend a 4000+ "winchester" but with 1024kB? maybe/4sure? its an error because the shop listend only one 3800+ which is a "winchester".

gonna know moa bout in some days also whats about 4200+ and so on

pretty nice times for AMD it has already done cores that finally really really rocks!

seEn

RAndomaN
03-17-2005, 09:33 AM
getting better, show us what this thing can really do stephen :p

s7e9h3n
03-17-2005, 09:35 AM
What are ya waiting for??
:)
Hold up real quick - you ever had one of those long OC'ing nights where you wake up the next day and everything wasn't as clear as you had thought it was the night before? Well if you think that sounds stupid, then you'll really like the fact that I can't find where I saved some screenies I was sure that I'd taken :rolleyes: Excuse me while I search a little bit, but here's a little something to look at. If you guys don't hear from me for an hour or two, it's because I'm going to work and I find it kind of tough to post from my laptop while driving 80+ Mph...please be patient. :)

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9630/11x275m29153qe.jpg

Oh, BTW: this is at -29C Idle, -15C Load. Measurements were taken from a thermocouple I attached to the side of the IHS of the 3800+.

terrace215
03-17-2005, 09:40 AM
I think improved performace can be achieved by things like more efficient handling / routing of data. It seems like such things could result in increased performace to you, the user of the computer without actually increasing the internal IPC of the cpu.

It's very simple. If you replace the CPU with a different CPU that runs at the same frequency, and the system performance improves ( = faster = same instructions were processed in less time), the new CPU has better IPC than the old one, by definition.

And that's just what the mentioned optimizations accomplish.

alexio
03-17-2005, 09:44 AM
Nice results !!!

You can atleast tell us if it likes high volts right?

Caper
03-17-2005, 09:50 AM
If you guys don't hear from me for an hour or two, it's because I'm going to work and I find it kind of tough to post from my laptop while driving 80+ Mph...please be patient. :)


Drive carefully, no rush.
And ya better get some sleep tonight, don´t spend all night at the rig :)
We are all curious about the Venice but do not mean to rush you.
Take your time and post when you feel to :)

stealth17
03-17-2005, 09:58 AM
looks like there will be a 3000 venice :banana: :banana:

ADA3000ASBOX 1800MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3200ASBOX 2000MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3500ASBOX 2200MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3800ASBOX 2400MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 89W 70° C Venice 0.31

MrQ3W
03-17-2005, 09:59 AM
looks like there will be a 3000 venice :banana: :banana:

ADA3000ASBOX 1800MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3200ASBOX 2000MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3500ASBOX 2200MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 67W 70° C Venice 0.31
ADA3800ASBOX 2400MHz 512KB 1.40V 90nm 89W 70° C Venice 0.31
Sweet. :D

s7e9h3n
03-17-2005, 09:59 AM
Nice results !!!

You can atleast tell us if it likes high volts right?
Yeah, it can handle a decent amount of Vcore, but performance scales oddly in terms of vcore with this chip. I'll explain later when I get to work, but check the v-core here :D And YES, I did try higher....

http://i137.exs.cx/img137/8564/10x310m3zm.jpg

I don't recall the exact temps for this shot, but I'm thinking ~ -25C idle, ~ -12C load

stealth17
03-17-2005, 10:01 AM
i cant wait to see one of these on a DFI nF4...it will pwn