View Full Version : Should Futuremark retire 3dmark2001SE ??
perkam
03-14-2005, 03:24 PM
Hey guys, this poll corresponds to OPP's thread here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56115 so basically the topic is on whether 3d01 should stay or not.
Pls feel free to vote any way you want and NO the third choice is NOT a "maybe" lol, its actually a pretty good suggestion from Charlie.
Perkam
VSpecII
03-14-2005, 03:37 PM
A much more intense overall system benchmark is the way to go. If it's not on Futuremark's schedule, and they remove support, I'll keep using 01, simply not with the ORB.
perkam
03-14-2005, 03:41 PM
I'll keep using 01, simply not with the ORB.
We can create our own LIST of the higher marks but yeah it wouldnt be easy. And Kunaak alone cant check to see if ALL of the thousands benchie screenshots are admissable, etc.
Perkam
I think most would agree that 2001se has lived it's life and should probably be let go.
The only problem is we just don't think Futuremark will be able to deliver anything better. Thus bencher's are reluctant to let go of it...
Beat_Slayer
03-14-2005, 03:45 PM
Everything has an end, but they must give us something to our "insomnia"! :p:
afireinside
03-14-2005, 03:53 PM
Only if its relaced...
perkam
03-14-2005, 03:57 PM
Only if its relaced...
Oh yeah thats another alternative, RELACE IT !!! LOL ;)
Yes but replaced with what though ?
Perkam
mdzcpa
03-14-2005, 05:02 PM
Its old DX8 stuff. Although I'm not too happy with 03 and 05, 01 is still lived passed its usefulness. Its a lot like running the Quake3 timedemo now.
megahurtz-oc
03-14-2005, 05:05 PM
trash it! out with the old in with the new. whatever it is:)
Stuperman
03-14-2005, 05:15 PM
NO, it's the only one I get better than 5k with, lol
honestly though it doesn't really reflect any games currently being developed, but it is the most widly known, and most focoused on, so quoting your 3dmark01 score means more to more people than quoting your 03 or 05 score.
KoolDrew
03-14-2005, 05:20 PM
Only if its relaced...
Agreed.
Sentential
03-14-2005, 05:30 PM
Agreed.
Ditto. 03 is not a CPU test. 05 is not a CPU test. Car low IS
Highland3r
03-14-2005, 05:58 PM
It needs to be replaced by a bench that tests the gfx, cpu and mem rather than just the graphics. People with uber graphics cards could easily post top notch scores, with crappy cpu's and memory.
Franky 4 Finger
03-14-2005, 06:09 PM
replace with cinebench
perkam
03-14-2005, 06:30 PM
replace with cinebench
Maybe... o_0 if Cinema4D releases 3d animations that ACTUALLY look even a little good when ur looping them over and over again :rolleyes: gfx in cinebench 2003 are horrible except for the test where render that medieval image with guy under the bridge thing.
Perkam
Napoleonic
03-14-2005, 06:58 PM
give me 3dmark 2003SE or 2005SE that more balanced :)
nebuchanezzar
03-14-2005, 06:59 PM
Like most I would like to see a quality replacement...We all know '01 so well. Lobby high is a good way to see if your extra bandwidth did anything, nature looped is my GPU stress test run about 25 times to see if its stable, and car low for CPU. I still like it but a DX9 version would be nice. I don't run my DFI on the web anyways so I don't post scores and I don't use em as an extension of my _____ but I do use it to test my OCs. 05...I don't really like but '03 is pretty good for heating up my GC, though not as good as..... the rthdsl or whatever its name is :p: .
Its a lot like running the Quake3 timedemo now.
:stick:
Hey, that's tradition you're messing with now!!!
:p: :cool:
Kanavit
03-14-2005, 07:20 PM
I dont think FM will replace 2k1 with another cpu/gpu/mem bench. Because it would kill 3dmark03, and 3dmark05. They invested too much in those benchmarks already to abandon it so quickly. I just think 2k1 will be retired thats it. We can still bench and use it, but it will no longer be supported. Like the 3dmark2000.
SuperDude
03-14-2005, 07:47 PM
Yes, unless they revamp it towards nvidia cards and make it less cpu and more towards both
Geforce4ti4200
03-15-2005, 03:34 AM
keep 2001 alive! Its not much fun to bench when you cant see the orb and the compare bars, screenshots dont mean much :(
zakelwe
03-15-2005, 03:56 AM
I'm thinking 3dmark2006 which has a girl who strips off rendered with 2 million polygons ( if it was good enough for 3dmark 99...)
As well as marks awarded for fps it also has a biometric function where it measures heartbeat and bloodflow to various parts of the body. It also lasts for 5 minutes so all those benchers under 20 have no chance :D :p:
Regards
Andy
reject
03-15-2005, 04:30 AM
I'm thinking 3dmark2006 which has a girl who strips off rendered with 2 million polygons ( if it was good enough for 3dmark 99...)
As well as marks awarded for fps it also has a biometric function where it measures heartbeat and bloodflow to various parts of the body. It also lasts for 5 minutes so all those benchers under 20 have no chance :D :p:
Regards
Andy
oh man! we would try to run with the screen off, but 2 million polygons says watch me...
perkam
03-15-2005, 05:31 AM
oh man! we would try to run with the screen off, but 2 million polygons says watch me...
I dunno, 05 was quick enough in taking all those amazing scores from 03 and transforming them into two digit fps so I'm not too eager to see an R520 get like 20fps in 3dmark2007/6 etc.
And I seriously dont think adult 3d animation would be used by Futuremark because they loop the bench at trade shows and product launches, not to mention it would require a 21+ requirement to download it which would only alienate younger audiences.
LOL i scrolled back up to see who suggested it and then I see OMG ZAKALWE...
Spending too much time "alone" in the shed are we ? ;) LOL
Perkam
mdzcpa
03-15-2005, 05:58 AM
:stick:
Hey, that's tradition you're messing with now!!!
:p: :cool:
I know, I'm a heretic:D
Seriously though. If we followed the "save 3D01" sentiment to its logical end, we'd also have to bring back 3D99 too. It was a full system measure as well.....Not too mention cool as hell (it was close to 3D01 in style and the music was just awesome). But, that doesn't mean its useful today.
But...*sigh*...I sort of miss the old Mad Onion days:(
No as the others are mainly GPU tests.
Gokou
03-15-2005, 07:49 AM
If you dont like it, dont bench with it.
Personally its still my favourite whole system benchmark. No one forces you or reviewers to use it, but its still the most popular.
Democracy and what not :)
W4nK5ta
03-15-2005, 08:15 AM
As the others said... 3DMark03/05 are way too gpu dependent. For me personaly, it's the one and only Futuremark bench cuz u can achieve better reults by raising the bandwidth, tweaking the os, etc. It's a lot more fun than just dropping a nice card in the rig, moving some sliders and getting a great result with a low tweaked sys. :rolleyes: Sure, it gets boring when you see cars, dragos and lobbies again and again... But if Futuremark really kicks 3D01 from the ORB, they have to build a good replacement bench.
SIOUX
03-15-2005, 08:37 AM
I say keep it at any cost. i love that Benchmark.........:)
charlie
03-15-2005, 08:56 AM
Oh and a note for worm/FM... in his FM post he said something about "well haven't you guys heard of PCMark2004??
lol...
I dl'd PC04 last night and ran it a bit and boy does it suck! Talk about boring... it's the "watching the paint dry" benchie, lol... and that CERTAINLY can't be considered an alternative to '01....
Here's what I'D do... I think FM should "freshen up" '01....use the same characters and the same basic scenes, just spice them up with more advanced shaders and effects...
then it would be recognizable and fresh with the features we love :D
C
Kanavit
03-15-2005, 02:14 PM
PCmark04 is the most worthless benchmark ever. even Sandra is more usefull, and it's a synthetic test. I won't use PCmark04 to bench cpu/ram performance at all. all PCmark04 does is measure how many mhz your cpu have. lol
dwwalker14335
03-15-2005, 03:12 PM
The ultimate bench, to me, would encompass all three aspects of system performance, and break them out via resolution changes. Run a nice CPU dependent low res test, followed by a high res test, then , wait.... 01 already does that ;)
I would just like to see a refreshed version of the bench with newer graphics rendering and control options. It would also be nice to have the new bench soon, since the 01 graphics are as exciting as looking at Pong. :D
zakelwe
03-15-2005, 11:24 PM
And I seriously dont think adult 3d animation would be used by Futuremark because they loop the bench at trade shows and product launches, not to mention it would require a 21+ requirement to download it which would only alienate younger audiences.
LOL i scrolled back up to see who suggested it and then I see OMG ZAKALWE...
Spending too much time "alone" in the shed are we ? ;)
Perkam
Probably ;)
They did have a naked woman on 3dmark 99 though, so it's not too far fetched.
I actually posted this idea over a year ago
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9814&highlight=drag+race
along with using dragsters as a game. I hope nobody comes along and claims that dragster idea as their very own, I'd have to report them to the team captain for plagiarism :D :D
Regards
Andy
charlie
03-15-2005, 11:36 PM
Probably ;)
They did have a naked woman on 3dmark 99 though, so it's not too far fetched.
I actually posted this idea over a year ago
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9814&highlight=drag+race
along with using dragsters as a game. I hope nobody comes along and claims that dragster idea as their very own, I'd have to report them to the team captain for plagiarism :D :D
Regards
Andy
whoa..... that's weird. I could have sworn the idea came from my own head, lol.... maybe I posted it earlier in 2003, lol..? Or maybe I read your idea and subconsciously adopted it.... oh I'm dizzy now, need sleep :D
C
funkflix
03-16-2005, 01:51 AM
[x] Only if they replace it with one that gauges CPU+GPU+Mem Performance
reject
03-16-2005, 01:58 AM
if the too cool lobby guy isnt in the new one, ill be soo pissed. that guy kills over 10 guys while slowing down time and doesnt even start sweating. maybe he can be driving the car in the new car test also?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9814&highlight=drag+race
Damn, I don't remember that, but it looks like I liked the idea even back then... :toast:
fatfreepork
03-17-2005, 07:17 PM
Its good for lowend systems that cant run 03 or 05. Some people have l33t systems and a Geforce Fx5200 or something. Those cant handle 3d03. My 9700Pro rendering 3d05 is like watching a damn powerpoint presentation! :D
jjcom
03-17-2005, 07:25 PM
I would rather FM keep 01...but if it has to go, take the basic design. Just make it so it uses DX9 and make the graphics alittle better. But keep the whole hi/low design of it. Know what I mean?
jjcom
Knor31
03-19-2005, 05:08 AM
Almost all other 3D mark bench stuff can be messed up by cheaters etc.
ONLY 3Dmark 2001 is reliable.... i just don't see the point of retirement, its a good bench program.....