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IRQ Conflict
04-09-2005, 03:02 PM
Greyskull, :stick: any idea if ATI plans an AMR version of this board? I guess ATI will need a different chipset to support more PCIe lanes?

trakslacker
04-09-2005, 04:08 PM
i do believe it has already been said that ATi will/does have an AMR version of this board, but you most likely wont see it right away. Wait 3-6 months(my own guess, nothing more) and check back. ;)

zoom314
04-09-2005, 04:13 PM
i do believe it has already been said that ATi will/does have an AMR version of this board, but you most likely wont see it right away. Wait 3-6 months(my own guess, nothing more) and check back. ;)

Grayskull said earlier that ATi would only be making chipsets, Not motherboards, So unless this has changed, Someone will make one, But not be ATi.

mcnbns
04-09-2005, 07:18 PM
My ESP just tingled a bit, there...

I SPECULATE THAT:
AMR motherboards are probably going to be a little after/at the same time as R520. That way ATi will have some serious new tech to kick some nVidia hiney.

xenolith
04-11-2005, 11:40 AM
Grayskull said earlier that ATi would only be making chipsets, Not motherboards, So unless this has changed, Someone will make one, But not be ATi.

I think that's what trakslacker meant. That ATI has been working on a AMR solution. At least Asus had a sample board for Intel @ Cebit. Don't know why we wouldn't see one pop up very soon for AMD. :toast:

http://www.bit-tech.net/feature/80

Franky 4 Finger
04-11-2005, 02:43 PM
what are the odds that this board even shows up in retail? I say its less than 40% now.

jjcom
04-11-2005, 02:56 PM
what are the odds that this board even shows up in retail? I say its less than 40% now.

Which board, the Sapphire board or the ASUS board?

jjcom

Grayskull
04-11-2005, 06:58 PM
How much you want to wager on that? ;)


what are the odds that this board even shows up in retail? I say its less than 40% now.

zoom314
04-11-2005, 07:03 PM
How much you want to wager on that? ;)

No fair, You have insider knowledge. :slapass:

G0DZILLA
04-12-2005, 02:44 AM
Grrrrr

__TRONIK__
04-12-2005, 09:57 PM
subscribed. :slobber:

Ubermann
04-13-2005, 08:23 AM
Any more news about this chipset ?

perkam
04-13-2005, 08:29 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26367

It has no AMR. It's just for high end enthusiasts who want to pay $250+ for a board without needing to play around with two cards.













YEAH RIGHT ROFL !!!! This board is gonna suck real bad with no AMR. Even the 4v vdimm isnt gonna save it.

Seriously, the price of SLI boards is going down little by little and here are with a super board with no MVP support???

Perkam

Revv23
04-13-2005, 08:37 AM
i doubt it will be $250.

Ubermann
04-13-2005, 10:09 AM
I want to place orders ffs =)
Should i go for DFI and have computer running when i get the Venice.
Or should i wait for X200 to be released and run Venice on that ?
I dont want SLI or AMR, only high clocks.
What is clever in this situation ?

fareastgq
04-13-2005, 10:23 AM
I would wait and see which one is better.

zoom314
04-13-2005, 10:53 AM
I would wait and see which one is better.

Makes good sense to Me, Even though personally I'm inclined towards San Diego. :2cents:

LowRun
04-13-2005, 01:20 PM
Well, i'd wait for the board if it was to show up soon but not knowing how long i'll have to wait is just too much, guess it will be DFI then :rolleyes:

revenant
04-13-2005, 02:30 PM
I wonder if you will be able to add another "equal" class video card to the pcie slot and go MVP with the onboard video being the "primary" and the one in the pcie slot as secondary... how fast is the onboard video chip? They always seem to put sort of "weakish" (something a gamer wouldn't use) onboard video on the integrated boards, but I hope for an "enthusiast's" board they would not do that... or, you would hope they would not...

LowRun
04-13-2005, 03:15 PM
He, at least the Ultra D's price just went down 26€ straight today in the only brick and mortar shop that sells them around here, it will make the decision easier.

Ubermann
04-14-2005, 11:08 PM
I have gooled for 2 days now..and there is nothing new at all about this chipset/motherboard.
Feed me with something. I hate when brain find something interestin and dont get any info. I had some drool over anandtechs bios screens, seems to have exact same bios settings as DFI has.
But what would make this board better ?

Craig
04-15-2005, 05:46 AM
I to would like to know when this board is going to show in retail.

I'm not in a big hurry yet due to no Vinice, San Diego or my G5, but when the G5 gets here I hope it's out. When I have/can get those items, if it's not out then I'll prolly go with a DFI.

I find this board very tempting due to the planning for water cooling of the chipset & mosfets. I think Sapphire deserves some praise for designing for easy advanced active cooling of them, but it still has to release soon if it's going to have good sales.

I hope they arn't planning on waiting for the R520 cards to release it..... :nono:

SLaY3r07
04-15-2005, 01:44 PM
I hope they arn't planning on waiting for the R520 cards to release it..... :nono:

Yeah, that would mean it would release in June :(

brassen
04-16-2005, 12:35 AM
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRL
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307851&cks=PRL

For those of you who don't understand these are confirmed in Sweden now, but I'm not sure which one of these we're discussing in this thread.

Ubermann
04-16-2005, 03:07 AM
I have seen those, but it seems to cheap to be the "good" board.
Will they make several 939 boards ?
And sapphire says the board is 2-3 month away.
According to a user here that mailed them some week ago.

brassen
04-16-2005, 07:38 AM
Exactly my thought, too cheap for a good board :/ Wish we had someone from ATi or Sapphire that could tell us.

uwackme
04-16-2005, 09:03 AM
Whats 929 Kroner's in USD$?

Ubermann
04-16-2005, 09:12 AM
http://xe.com/

131 usd

brassen
04-16-2005, 10:57 AM
Yea and that's with all our Swedish taxes included. So you'll have to pull ~20% off that price, you lucky bastards ;)

Buzz
04-16-2005, 10:57 AM
Whats 929 Kroner's in USD$?

around 130dollars.

in sweden 929kronor is real cheap
a DFI board cost like 1500-2200kronor

a normal motherboard costs 200dollars+ here.

so i think this awesome ATI card is realy realy cheap

Skip
04-16-2005, 02:12 PM
i'm really dying to get my hands on this board. so far my DFI has zapped 3x512MB of twinmos UTT, not sure who exactly is at fault, the board or the ram, but i'm inclined to think its the board. as this is already my 3rd.

uwackme
04-16-2005, 06:42 PM
Ill need a freind in Sweden I guess ;-)

thebluesgnr
04-16-2005, 07:25 PM
I haven't been following the thread, but these boards listed at komplett are probably OEM oriented, not the "Grouper" board.

jagt
04-17-2005, 02:49 AM
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRL
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307851&cks=PRL

For those of you who don't understand these are confirmed in Sweden now, but I'm not sure which one of these we're discussing in this thread.
Neither of those is the Gruper board. I emailed komplett's main office in Norway a couple of weeks ago, and they said they were expecting the Gruper sometime in the middle of may.

brassen
04-17-2005, 03:38 AM
Ok, thanks.

Ubermann
04-18-2005, 08:01 AM
Read this, seem to come 2 more, one with AMR support.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050418A6032.html

LowRun
04-18-2005, 08:13 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59841

trans am
04-18-2005, 10:55 AM
Who had the idea for the white PCB? ;)

G0DZILLA
04-22-2005, 02:50 AM
I think the colors are great.

JackTheLad
04-22-2005, 05:38 AM
anyone knows when this amazing mobo will be out in europe?? if it will as good as it seems it will be my next upgrade after venice..

OC_newbie
04-22-2005, 11:02 PM
Wow very nice mobo. :slobber:

SLaY3r07
04-23-2005, 11:11 AM
I think the colors are great.

Yeah, I really love the colors.

BRiT
04-23-2005, 05:09 PM
What's the holdup with this board? By the time it's available, everyone will be craving an AMR-enabled board.

dippyskoodlez
04-24-2005, 05:52 AM
What's the holdup with this board? By the time it's available, everyone will be craving an AMR-enabled board.


As long as this things as fast, or faster than the NF4, I'll take it anyday :D

Not *everyone* will use AMR.. ;)

I only have an SLI mobo cuz of the mod, and overclocking.. hehe :D (and dfi doesnt offer a non sli capable one.. lol! (yet) )

elec999
04-24-2005, 05:30 PM
Anyone got any news when this board will be released, or any clues on pricing.
Thanks

situman
04-24-2005, 06:40 PM
ATI reps have gone MIA. Does this mean major delays? Even if it was a small delay, ATI reps would probably have entertained us to keep our patience high.

cadaveca
04-24-2005, 06:47 PM
With the current introductions of new tech, the tradeshows, etc, it's not surprising to see no word on this board right now. April and september are two of the busiest months in the industry, so do keep that in mind.

I'd just like to see the board on shelves..i don't need more than that. INfo i can wait for after it hits retail.

Fairydust
04-24-2005, 07:12 PM
In 2 months the R520 cards and RD580 (or whatever the nextgen AMD performance chipset will be called) are expected to be released. I wouldn't be surprised if Sapphire just sits this one out. Sapphire has not given any release date yet or even replied to a thread in their own forum, and would it be smart to release a board for enthusiasts, when the nextgen chipset is just some weeks away? I just hope they pull their thumbs out their :slapass: and at least release the nextgen boards in a reasonable timeframe. The grouped MOSFETs are ingenious, most boards are just not suited for serious overvolting without diy mosfet/cg cooling.

Grayskull
04-24-2005, 09:00 PM
The reps are not MIA. They are simply very busy.



ATI reps have gone MIA. Does this mean major delays? Even if it was a small delay, ATI reps would probably have entertained us to keep our patience high.

bypolar
04-24-2005, 09:13 PM
Busy getting this board to market I hope.

I have all the componets I need for another machine Except for a shiny new Built buy Saphire ATI based board. :comp10:

Nanobot
04-24-2005, 10:20 PM
My guess: Sapphire is taking their sweet time because they just dont want to release a buggy board,ie;DFI nF4's :rolleyes:

Better take the time to make it right than get a boatload of pissed customers.

I say the one thing that really worries me here is Sapphire's seldom update the BIOS for the motherboards they currently produce.
Hopefully this will chage with this sweet looking board.

The Mofo
04-24-2005, 10:35 PM
My guess: Sapphire is taking their sweet time because they just dont want to release a buggy board,ie;DFI nF4's :rolleyes:

Better take the time to make it right than get a boatload of pissed customers.

I say the one thing that really worries me here is Sapphire's seldom update the BIOS for the motherboards they currently produce.
Hopefully this will chage with this sweet looking board.

DFI is not buggy... its the person setting up the board which makes it buggy. Ive had no problems along with a lot of other people :slap:

Nanobot
04-24-2005, 10:43 PM
DFI is not buggy... its the person setting up the board which makes it buggy. Ive had no problems along with a lot of other people :slap:


Well I spent two days trying to get mine to boot,and I'm not alone either.
I'm not a n00b and I followed every thread on the DFI nF4 !
Off topic,my bad...

Ubermann
04-25-2005, 12:09 AM
I rather have it buggy as long as its bios related, then nothing at all.
Even if it does not boot i can at least look at it in the box =)

situman
04-25-2005, 04:14 AM
Sorry Grayskull, just anxious to see what the board can do in the hands of some enthusiasts.

LowRun
04-25-2005, 08:05 AM
Yeah, some infos from Sapphire or ATI would be nice at this point and it wouldn't take so much time for someone there, so beeing busy certainly not explain the blackout :nono:

Pjotr
04-25-2005, 06:13 PM
Confirmed to arrive on Tuesday in Sweden:

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307851&cks=PRL

And that's a bargain price too! That price would appear at under $90 in the US, if you wonder.

cadaveca
04-25-2005, 06:20 PM
that's not the board.


-twin Silicon Image SI3132 SATA II w/ NCQ chips connected via PCI-E, each chip providing 2 SATA ports. (8 SATA ports total; 4 are SATAI and 4 are SATAII w/NCQ)
-Marvel Gigabit LAN connected via PCI-E
-one general purpose single lane PCI-E slot (provisioned for 1 more single lane general purpose slot if one SI3132 is not populated as a build option)
-Azalia audio support via SB450 using Realtek codec
-POST code LED display
-Firewire support with ViaVT6306
-VGA and DVI outputs via Radeon Xpress 200G (enabling upto 4 monitor outputs using an ATI add in card and ATI Surroundview)
-onboard power and reset switches
-onboard VID code LED display



that board is a "p". I want the red/white, and intergrated graphics, as well as all the overclocking options...you can overclcok without having to buy a vidcard.

Pjotr
04-25-2005, 06:25 PM
that's not the board.

that board is a "p". I want the red/white, and intergrated graphics, as well as all the overclocking options...you can overclcok without having to buy a vidcard.

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRL

This one arrives also tomorrow, with on-board graphics. But it's true, it doesn't come in white. Hmm... are we sure there will be a release of the white board?

cadaveca
04-25-2005, 06:29 PM
different PWM design, so i'd say no.

chefnr1
04-25-2005, 07:03 PM
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRL

This one arrives also tomorrow, with on-board graphics. But it's true, it doesn't come in white. Hmm... are we sure there will be a release of the white board?
thats not the Guper board, what i've heard is that the gruper will be realesed in late may o in june,and it will be the white pcb and sapphires logo on it, so it's just to wait :(

zoom314
04-25-2005, 07:29 PM
thats not the Guper board, what i've heard is that the gruper will be realesed in late may o in june,and it will be the white pcb and sapphires logo on it, so it's just to wait :(
Well It's gone from Grouper(a fish), to Gruper(?), to Guper. I wonder is Gipper next? Or even Goober for that matter? :rolleyes:

trakslacker
04-25-2005, 09:12 PM
^ yep. these magical name changes that keep appearing on the forum are a great way to start misinformation. As far as I know its still the Grouper, as both of the ATi boards seem to be staying in the fish family(bullhead, grouper).

IRQ Conflict
04-25-2005, 10:18 PM
gruper - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Grouper \Group"er\, n. [Corrupted fr. Pg. garupa crupper. Cf.
Garbupa.] (Zool.)
(a) One of several species of valuable food fishes of the
genus Epinephelus, of the family Serranid[ae], as the
red grouper, or brown snapper (Epinephelus morio), and
the black grouper, or warsaw (Epinephelus nigritus),
both from Florida and the Gulf of Mexico.
(b) The tripletail (Lobotes).
(c) In California, the name is often applied to the
rockfishes. [Written also groper, gruper, and
trooper.]
[1913 Webster]

trakslacker
04-26-2005, 07:01 AM
well there ya have it. Guess there is indeed more than one spelling. well, my bad. :)

roto
04-26-2005, 01:12 PM
Definatly going to be my next mobo, even if my dfi board is too much for me to handle =)

Magnj
04-26-2005, 02:14 PM
might be a bit too late as M2 and all that junk is being announced for 2006?

IRQ Conflict
04-27-2005, 12:07 AM
Yup! M2 and R600, then in 2007 we will have........

HaLDoL
04-27-2005, 12:42 AM
The board was announced and tested by anand in november 2004. We're almost half a year further and still no sign of it. After the X800XT PE fiasco, ATi is surely building up a good reputation of launching but not delivering.

To quote anand (article from November 8th, 2004): "... Enthusiast boards based on the RX480 and high-end designs with the RS480 are shipping, as it will still be several weeks until these boards make their way to market.

Obviously ATi still don't know "the way to the market". I'll be glad to show it to you and oh, if you're coming, please bring some XT800XT PE's, some X700XT's, some X850XT PE's, some 512MB cards, and all other paper launched hardware with you. K? Thanks. Bye.

winston64
04-27-2005, 04:25 PM
Obviously ATi still don't know "the way to the market". I'll be glad to show it to you and oh, if you're coming, please bring some XT800XT PE's, some X700XT's, some X850XT PE's, some 512MB cards, and all other paper launched hardware with you. K? Thanks. Bye.

wow harsh lol.

Anywho... has anyone seen results for the ECS xpress200 board? now theres 2 with xpress200 on newegg. The micro MSI and the ECS. The MSI has no overclocking capabilities whatsoever but what about the ECS?

jjcom
04-27-2005, 05:11 PM
I doubt ECS will have many, if any, overclocking options. Just isn't their style, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see just a few

jjcom

bypolar
04-27-2005, 05:12 PM
Looks like Jetway has sone RS480's in the works. You will need Acrobat reader to view specs.

Has one section that Shows "magic bios FSB stepping to assist overclocking" if it had some voltages then :woot: JetWay (http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/mainboard.html#amdk8754)

dippyskoodlez
04-27-2005, 05:15 PM
I doubt ECS will have many, if any, overclocking options. Just isn't their style, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see just a few

jjcom


ECS has been providing quite a few overclocking options recently... nothing compared to the DFI's, but just about as good as Asus's. :)

jjcom
04-27-2005, 05:30 PM
Depends on the board, they had that one A64 board I believe alittle while back that wasn't too bad. I'll hope for another A64 overclocking board from them, :woot:

jjcom

winston64
04-29-2005, 04:11 PM
Any updates on this board? I want to know if I will be able to purches one around the first week of june or so. The earlier the better though :P

btomasie
04-30-2005, 03:45 AM
Yes, I too would like to know what's going on with this board, as the Venice and S.D. are now here, and the AMDX2 and FX57 on the horizon.

Thanks,
Brian

LowRun
04-30-2005, 04:09 AM
Yes, nearly 3 months after the thread creation and about 59 000 views, i guess we're a good bunch waiting for infos :fact:

:slapass: for the "marketease".

Zervun
05-02-2005, 07:16 AM
So many waiting for info on this :confused:

Can't believe they havn't thrown us a bone.

situman
05-02-2005, 08:50 AM
People tend to forget or lose interest in things, if they arent reminded of it once in a while.

nordik
05-02-2005, 08:54 AM
Any updates on this board? I want to know if I will be able to purches one around the first week of june or so. The earlier the better though :P


Ditto :stick:

cadaveca
05-02-2005, 09:44 AM
Wait until after Computex.

nordik
05-02-2005, 09:49 AM
Click me (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22949)

killingspreez
05-02-2005, 09:54 AM
i'm really looking forward to the release of this mobo.
i'hope that it's oc-performance is as good as the dfi nf4 performance.

and hopefully this cool ati-multi-card-feature is already integrated :)
additionally i need to know if the board has any kind of sub-zero problems cuz i#ll change to a vapochill or chill1/ice's cooling unit :)

then i'll go and buy it :)

mfg

cadaveca
05-02-2005, 09:55 AM
Click me (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22949)


That's an RS(Radeon Single) chipset...we want RD(Radeon Dual). :fact:

xenolith
05-03-2005, 10:15 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22988

"Smells like we will see many of those boards at Computex."

"SLI wars will begin during June, we suggest."

:clap:

P_1
05-03-2005, 10:32 AM
well if the news that the inquirer is true then this is gonna suck, since it was rumored that ati's mvp was just driver based and that any board that supports 2 8x pcie slots would work.

perkam
05-03-2005, 11:21 AM
That's an RS(Radeon Single) chipset...we want RD(Radeon Dual). :fact:

Wow...making up abbreviations is SO COOL :eek:

The RS nor the RD have anything to do with single or dual video card support. Here's a rundown on what they mean:

RX480: The first AMD Chipset to be released. Standard Board with SATA, Raid, etc. (Radeon Xpress 200P)
RS480: Variant of RX480 with Directx 9.0-capable Onboard Video (Radeon Xpress 200G)
RS400: ATi's Intel Chipset with DDR/DDR2 memory Controller and two PCI-E slots (may not be mvp capable even with two 16/4 config)
RU/RC400: Value Intel mobo chipsets.
RD400: (As seen on Hexus) MVP Capable Intel Mainboard chipset.
RX482: MVP Capable chipset for AMD based on RX480.
RS482: Based on RX482, MVP Capable, with onboard video.


Perkam

Ubermann
05-03-2005, 11:56 AM
But the Sapphire we are waiting for does not have Multi Rendering right ??
So we can just close this thread and skip it ?
Or am i wrong ?

perkam
05-03-2005, 12:16 PM
But the Sapphire we are waiting for does not have Multi Rendering right ??
So we can just close this thread and skip it ?
Or am i wrong ?

This thing isnt MVP Capable, but that doesnt mean it wont be good. And with the R5xx series of cards, you wont immediately need two of them to break WRs ;)

These are for enthusiasts who wont be going MVP and therefore this board might be cheaper than the MVP alternatives. This was supposed to be an example of the (correct :rolleyes: ) implementation of the ATI Mainboard chipset for AMD, nothing else, but you have to :slobber: at the features though...4v vdimm, sata2...:eek:

Perkam

xenolith
05-03-2005, 02:29 PM
Wow...making up abbreviations is SO COOL :eek:

The RS nor the RD have anything to do with single or dual video card support. Here's a rundown on what they mean:

RX480: The first AMD Chipset to be released. Standard Board with SATA, Raid, etc. (Radeon Xpress 200P)
RS480: Variant of RX480 with Directx 9.0-capable Onboard Video (Radeon Xpress 200G)
RS400: ATi's Intel Chipset with DDR/DDR2 memory Controller and two PCI-E slots (may not be mvp capable even with two 16/4 config)
RU/RC400: Value Intel mobo chipsets.
RD400: (As seen on Hexus) MVP Capable Intel Mainboard chipset.
RX482: MVP Capable chipset for AMD based on RX480.
RS482: Based on RX482, MVP Capable, with onboard video.


Perkam

I've seen several sites call ATI's MVP/AMD solution "RD480" and "RD580" too. :wth: :shrug:

perkam
05-03-2005, 02:40 PM
I've seen several sites call ATI's MVP/AMD solution "RD480" and "RD580" too. :wth: :shrug:

Well there are things I'm unsure about, but...holy !! Where in the world did you get RD580 from ????? lol The only incarnation of xx580 would be the successor of the R520 the R580 (just as there was R420 and R480)...It's quite simple to be confused by these numbers ;) .

Anyway, to my knowledge, the RD/RC and RU will be for the Intel platform, and the RX/RS will for the AMD platform.

The only possibility of a change from my post you quoted is the possible addition of, as you said, RD480, if ATi doesnt go RX482 for MVP chipsets.

I have yet to see this RD480, however, i can say with quite certainty that the D in RD doesnt stand for dual....lol.

Perkam

P_1
05-03-2005, 03:47 PM
Wow...making up abbreviations is SO COOL :eek:

The RS nor the RD have anything to do with single or dual video card support. Here's a rundown on what they mean:

RX480: The first AMD Chipset to be released. Standard Board with SATA, Raid, etc. (Radeon Xpress 200P)
RS480: Variant of RX480 with Directx 9.0-capable Onboard Video (Radeon Xpress 200G)
RS400: ATi's Intel Chipset with DDR/DDR2 memory Controller and two PCI-E slots (may not be mvp capable even with two 16/4 config)
RU/RC400: Value Intel mobo chipsets.
RD400: (As seen on Hexus) MVP Capable Intel Mainboard chipset.
RX482: MVP Capable chipset for AMD based on RX480.
RS482: Based on RX482, MVP Capable, with onboard video.


Perkam

didnt hexus also write that mvp will be driver based and not chipset based, although there will be ati chipsets that support it?
:confused:

perkam
05-03-2005, 03:53 PM
didnt hexus also write that mvp will be driver based and not chipset based, although there will be ati chipsets that support it?
:confused:

Most likely driver based, but that wont negate the need for a different high-end chipset ;) ...dont expect MVP mobos to be cheap or to have IDE slots lol ;)

Perkam

dippyskoodlez
05-03-2005, 03:58 PM
Most likely driver based, but that wont negate the need for a different high-end chipset ;) ...dont expect MVP mobos to be cheap or to have IDE slots lol ;)

Perkam

No IDE? :(

cadaveca
05-03-2005, 04:07 PM
Wow...making up abbreviations is SO COOL :eek:

The RS nor the RD have anything to do with single or dual video card support. Here's a rundown on what they mean:

RX480: The first AMD Chipset to be released. Standard Board with SATA, Raid, etc. (Radeon Xpress 200P)
RS480: Variant of RX480 with Directx 9.0-capable Onboard Video (Radeon Xpress 200G)
RS400: ATi's Intel Chipset with DDR/DDR2 memory Controller and two PCI-E slots (may not be mvp capable even with two 16/4 config)
RU/RC400: Value Intel mobo chipsets.
RD400: (As seen on Hexus) MVP Capable Intel Mainboard chipset.
RX482: MVP Capable chipset for AMD based on RX480.
RS482: Based on RX482, MVP Capable, with onboard video.
Perkam



Sources revealed that ATi is planning to launch their RD400 chipset next month to compete against NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Intel Edition chipset. ATI RD400 is going to paired up with ULi M1573 southbridge that supports Pentium 4, Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition processors, 1066Mhz FSB, Dual Channel DDR2-667, 6 SATA RAID and Azalia Audio.

Certainly, the most anticipated feature of RD400 is the support for Multi VPU technology or previously known as AMR (ATI Multi Rendering) where two different PCIe graphics cards can work hand in hand without a need for SLI-like bridge. ATi RD480 that supports Multi VPU as well will come in the near future for AMD processors. The 2nd generation of RD400 chipset coming second half of the year will allow SMA (graphics onboard) to run in conjunction with an external PCIe graphics card. Certainly the onboard graphics will not be wasted if an external graphics card is plugged in and both will run in dual GPUs mode.

Source: VR-Zone



also read:

http://www.hardware-mag.de/news.php?id=37916

and:

http://mb.zol.com.cn/2005/0415/163585.shtml


Both are believed to be 110nm die-shrinks of the existing RS480 and RC400 chipsets, respectively. Like those parts they feature ATI's RV370 integrated graphics engine.

The chipsets may also support ATI's bridgeless answer to Nvidia's SLi, allowing two graphics engines to co-operatively render 3D images. Both chipsets will certainly support PCI Express.

Even if the RS482 and/or the RC410 don't support multi-rendering, ATI's RD400 chipset will. This part is targeted at Intel's dual-core Pentium Extreme Edition part, which begin shipping yesterday, and will go head-to-head with Nvidia's nForce 4 SLi Intel Edition chipset. It's being claimed by some that the ATI part will ship with a ULi South Bridge which will add HD audio and six-port Serial ATA RAID to the North Bridge's 1066MHz frontside bus and dual-channel 667MHz DDR 2 SDRAM support.

It looks like the RD400 will be launched this quarter, possibly next month, though some reports suggest it won't ship until Q3. An AMD-oriented version, the RD580, is apparently scheduled to ship soon after. ®
- http://www.theregister.com/2005/04/19/ati_chipset_update/

and then, here's another, where the rd480 chipset was announced in asian countries, with a picture, of this chipset you think does not exist:

Other day, ATi used the RD480 chip group's motherboard product official exposure which it soon promoted. Formerly we gave everybody report ATi soon promoted two " the trump card " - RD400 and RD480, these two section chips group supported double PCI-E reveals the card, supports ATi Multi the VPU technology prepares people's attention.
About the RD400 chip group, formerly greatly unfolded in CecBit2005, the Chinese large company once displayed uses this chip group the motherboard product, moreover at the end of May will be able to see this chip group officially went on the market. Chip group and the RD400 chip group equally all supports double PCI-E in view of AMD the platform design RD480 reveals the card, all supports Mulit the VPU technology, platform is in vogue facing now AMD the K8 market present situation, people to RD480 chip group's anticipation degree as if higher somewhat. Under we give everybody look ATi uses the RD480 chip group the motherboard project model product picture:


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29722



RD480 integration demonstration core, if does not have the accident, should be integrates RADEON the X300 demonstration core. South the bridge aspect may choose south ATi oneself SB450 the bridge chip, also may select south ULI M1573 the bridge chip, actually this section RD480 chip group also may say is the RS480 chip group's promotion edition.

Under take above this section ATi the RD480 motherboard project model as the example, detailedly introduces RD480 motherboard to everybody the technical specification! This section motherboard supports AMD Socket939 Athlon64/64 the FX processor; Supports the double channel DDR400 memory, the board carries 4 memories slots, most greatly supports 4gb; South this section project model embarkation SB450 the bridge chip, supports 4 SATA connection, supports the RAID 0/1/0+1 function; The expansion aspect quite is also rich, provides two PCI-EX16 slot, supports Multi the VPU technology, moreover also has one PCI-EX1 slot, two PCI slot and two CNR slot; In addition this section motherboard also supports 1000000000000000 ether networks, 8 sound tracks sounds effect output, 8 USB2.0 connection and so on.

Generally speaking, let is RD480 chip group motherboard finally this present existence which the person was happy, at present, still had several questions is not very clear, what pattern was that the double PCI-EX16 slot work under? Whether or not can does the integrated demonstration core compare on the X300 one scale? The integration demonstrates whether or not can the core does meet with outside reveals the card carries on parallel exaggerates? Must make after understands these questions look at a sample want when ATi Multi the VPU technology official issue, only then can truly completely understand.
- http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.3qit.com/2005/4-20/13590641423.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dati%2Brd480%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3 DGGLD,GGLD:2004-49,GGLD:en

Perk, try as hard as you may to make people look wrong, you only make yourself look childish. Please do not try to argue with me, unless you can back it up. Here, in this post, is backup for my earlier post. What do you have?

perkam
05-03-2005, 04:15 PM
also read:

http://www.hardware-mag.de/news.php?id=37916

and:

http://mb.zol.com.cn/2005/0415/163585.shtml

- http://www.theregister.com/2005/04/19/ati_chipset_update/

and then, here's another, where the rd480 chipset was announced in asian countries, with a picture, of this chipset you think does not exist:
- http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.3qit.com/2005/4-20/13590641423.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dati%2Brd480%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3 DGGLD,GGLD:2004-49,GGLD:en

Perk, try as hard as you may to make people look wrong, you only make yourself look childish. Please do not try to argue with me, unless you can back it up. Here, in this post, is backup for my earlier post. What do you have?

There is nothing in those links that I havent already accounted for in my prevoius responses. I have already stated that the RD480, because I saw the RD400 Intel MVP solution, may be the MVP solution for AMD and that ATI may be abandoning the originally reported **482 chipset name.

Other than that, I've covered my points pretty well. I myself did not merely post without looking at a few articles ;) and I'm sure you found articles that verified at least some of my info as dead on ;) . Where exactly have I given misleading info, Cadaveca?? ...and btw, might I suggest you take a glass of cold refreshing water before you post or correct me outright cos at the end of the day, its not worth blowing a fuse over ;)

Perkam

cadaveca
05-03-2005, 04:16 PM
There is nothing in those links that I havent already accounted for in my prevoius responses. I have already stated that the RD480, because I saw the RD400 Intel MVP solution, may be the MVP solution for AMD and that ATI may be abandoning the originally reported **482 chipset name.

Other than that, I've covered my points pretty well. I myself did not merely post without looking at a few articles ;) and I'm sure you found articles that verified at least some of my info as dead on ;) . Where exactly have I given misleading info, Cadaveca?? ...and btw, might I suggest you take a glass of cold refreshing water before you post or correct me outright cos at the end of the day, its not worth blowing a fuse over ;)

Perkam

You said i made up abbreviations, an obvious flame. I, on the otherhand, posted my sources. Where are yours? If you are indeed right, you should share the info with us all, rather than having the condescending attitude you do. :fact:

perkam
05-03-2005, 04:16 PM
No IDE? :(

Ofcourse not omg why would i try to confirm anything, i meant it'll have like SATA2 and what not so dont expect JUST traditional IDE lol

This is where I said you where making them up:


That's an RS(Radeon Single) chipset...we want RD(Radeon Dual).

And saying you're making up abbreviations is not a flame...and I could give you recent examples too of real flames ;)

Perkam

cadaveca
05-03-2005, 04:19 PM
This is where I said you where making them up
Perkam


Maybe i know something you don't, maybe? Oh, you are the utmost authority on this issue, i forgot! :slap: Oh so sry...i'll let you get back to that. :toast:

perkam
05-03-2005, 04:26 PM
Maybe i know something you don't, maybe? Oh, you are the utmost authority on this issue, i forgot! :slap: Oh so sry...i'll let you get back to that. :toast:

My bad then. Its just really new to me, and I was thinking you used the coincidence that they had those letters in them to say that RS meant Single and RD meant Dual...I could be wrong, and so could you, because its yet to be released and most of us are in the fog for it...

Getting back to this thread...omg :rolleyes: lol you throw a pebble into the water and you're expected to dodge torpedoes lol. This isnt an MVP board but shows the capabilities of the AMD ATI chipset at its best.

Would be nice to finally see benchies on these though :(

Perkam

cadaveca
05-03-2005, 04:32 PM
No offense, Prek, but to call me wrong when you cannot be sure, well, is wrong. If your choice of words was a bit better, maybe things would be different.

The board featured in the beginning of the thread is an RS-based board.

Along with the article i linked with the picture of the "RD480", has been a slew of other info to OEM's, and integrating the chipsets into thier boards. From what they say, it WILL be RS and RD for naming of these chips, for the reasons i mentioned. ATI has never had off-base naming schemes for thier products. Best i can tell, the other "labels" were pre-production names for the revisions of these chipsets.

perkam
05-03-2005, 04:40 PM
No offense, Prek, but to call me wrong when you cannot be sure, well, is wrong. If your choice of words was a bit better, maybe things would be different.

The board featured in the beginning of the thread is an RS-based board.

Along with the article i linked with the picture of the "RD480", has been a slew of other info to OEM's, and integrating the chipsets into thier boards. From what they say, it WILL be RS and RD for naming of these chips, for the reasons i mentioned. ATI has never had off-base naming schemes for thier products. Best i can tell, the other "labels" were pre-production names for the revisions of these chipsets.

I've been caught off guard by ATI's MVP stuff twice now (stinged once too) ;) so please do excuse my attitude in that manner. It was a harmless statement really. If you had proof of where it said that S meant single and D meant dual...in words...I would have put this :owned: right next to my name in my own post and would have put :worship: whenever addressing you for a month lol.

Anyhoo, yes these are labels and it may not be entirely ATI's fault for the confusion. The partners who make the boards use their own names for the chipsets at times, but based on the boards out RIGHT now in retail...and I've been following the retail boards quite closely, I've seen a pretty consistent naming scheme, which I posted in my first response to you ;).

Perkam

xenolith
05-03-2005, 08:08 PM
Well there are things I'm unsure about, but...holy !! Where in the world did you get RD580 from ????? lol The only incarnation of xx580 would be the successor of the R520 the R580 (just as there was R420 and R480)...It's quite simple to be confused by these numbers ;) .


Perkam

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050418A6032.html

Charles Chou may have been confused, but I remember seeing "RD580" in roadmaps at other places too.


"In addition, ATI will introduce two high-end chipsets supporting its dual graphics card Multi-Rendering platform to compete with Nvidia’s nForce4 SLI (scalable link interface) platform, motherboard makers indicated. The RD400 for the Intel platform will be available by the third quarter of this year, said the makers, adding that ATI will launch its RD580 for the AMD platform soon after that."

Really, all this speculation as to what's named what is an act in futilility until we actually see working boards with these new chipsets.

Grayskull
05-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Enough of the speculation. The RS and RX series of chipsets support single GPU. If there was to be a chipset that supports dual GPU it would be labelled RD. The "D" in "RD" would stand for dual. The "S" in "RS" stands for shared as in shared memory architecture.

Some other points to straighten out, IDE will be included on all boards. As for an RD580, there is no such piece of silicon. It is named properly as a next generation part, but doesn't exist.

Now please, let's stay on topic here.



I've been caught off guard by ATI's MVP stuff twice now (stinged once too) ;) so please do excuse my attitude in that manner. It was a harmless statement really. If you had proof of where it said that S meant single and D meant dual...in words...I would have put this :owned: right next to my name in my own post and would have put :worship: whenever addressing you for a month lol.

Anyhoo, yes these are labels and it may not be entirely ATI's fault for the confusion. The partners who make the boards use their own names for the chipsets at times, but based on the boards out RIGHT now in retail...and I've been following the retail boards quite closely, I've seen a pretty consistent naming scheme, which I posted in my first response to you ;).

Perkam

Grayskull
05-03-2005, 09:37 PM
Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?


i'm really looking forward to the release of this mobo.
i'hope that it's oc-performance is as good as the dfi nf4 performance.

and hopefully this cool ati-multi-card-feature is already integrated :)
additionally i need to know if the board has any kind of sub-zero problems cuz i#ll change to a vapochill or chill1/ice's cooling unit :)

then i'll go and buy it :)

mfg

conrad.maranan
05-03-2005, 09:40 PM
Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?
That's good news, Grayskull. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. :toast:

cadaveca
05-03-2005, 10:13 PM
The "S" in "RS" stands for shared as in shared memory architecture.
As in onboard video w/ Hypermemory? RX =Radeon Xpress?

gundamit
05-04-2005, 12:49 AM
Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested? That's of course a rhetorical question around here. Can we get the guys in the lab to "leak" a few screenshots in the interests of marketing so some ATI friendly fans can put off buying yet another Nvidia chipset motherboard? :D

Ubermann
05-04-2005, 01:55 AM
Gray we have been ready to order over a month now =)

LowRun
05-04-2005, 02:02 AM
Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

To be honest i'd be more interested by an ETA.

perkam
05-04-2005, 02:05 AM
Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH !!!!!! INFO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9k in 05 :D omg !!!! Nice !!!!!

...and I guess the D meant dual, but the RS thing was pretty dumb...Shared ??? oh well, might mean shared video cos I have yet to see an RX board with onboard video.

At the very least, all this speculation at least summons Grayskull to the forums for some more yummy tid bits of info :D lol

Perkam

gundamit
05-04-2005, 02:49 AM
9k in 05 at stock :D omg !!!! Nice !!!!! He didn't say stock, I believe its just no tweaks or tricks on the drivers or OS. At stock any combination CPU or video card wouldn't reach 9K unless they have traveled into the future and retrieved a motherboard that has technolgy lifted from a crashed alien spacecraft and employed that technology in their new chipset. Of course if that is the case, feel free to hyperventilate and/or soil yourself. :D

perkam
05-04-2005, 03:07 AM
He didn't say stock, I believe its just no tweaks or tricks on the drivers or OS. At stock any combination CPU or video card wouldn't reach 9K unless they have traveled into the future and retrieved a motherboard that has technolgy lifted from a crashed alien spacecraft and employed that technology in their new chipset. Of course if that is the case, feel free to hyperventilate and/or soil yourself. :D

EDIT: Xtreme Cold...hmmm...could mean a LOT of things.

At any rate, its worth considering the possibilities :D ...and this board all of a sudden seems promising :D I just hope they make sub $120 version of it :(

Perkam

P_1
05-04-2005, 03:41 AM
Most likely driver based, but that wont negate the need for a different high-end chipset ;) ...dont expect MVP mobos to be cheap or to have IDE slots lol ;)

Perkam

nf4 sli isnt high end? If its driver based then hopefully it will work on these boards

gundamit
05-04-2005, 03:50 AM
9K while they were testing it "at extreme cold" and it seems unlikely they were testing extreme cold without an extreme overclock. I do agree that regardless of how you get there, 9K on 3DMark (single GPU) is impressive and more than enough to pique my interest again on this motherboard.

Regarding price point ... yes it would be very cool to have a basic (aka inexpensive) version that includes all the OC goodness, while leaving out multiple raid controllers, premium sound, extra serial connectors, glow in the dark cables, panels, and lanparty gear. It wold be amazing it the ATI board (right out of the gate) became the default board for OC'ers looking for single video card rigs.

perkam
05-04-2005, 03:57 AM
9K while they were testing it "at extreme cold" and it seems unlikely they were testing extreme cold without an extreme overclock. I do agree that regardless of how you get there, 9K on 3DMark (single GPU) is impressive and more than enough to pique my interest again on this motherboard.

Regarding price point ... yes it would be very cool to have a basic (aka inexpensive) version that includes all the OC goodness, while leaving out multiple raid controllers, premium sound, extra serial connectors, glow in the dark cables, panels, and lanparty gear. It wold be amazing it the ATI board (right out of the gate) became the default board for OC'ers looking for single video card rigs.

Didnt see the xtreme cold part ;) ...but doing it consistently at 9k says a lot about the mobo. Me thinks they can even break OPPs one card score if they were allowed to post at ORB lol.

I'd love an inexpensive board...for single cards...many ppl, including me, dont need mvp, but we also dont need the kind of boards that are out right now based on the chipset.

As for the driver thing, lol no I'm quite sure you wont be able to use MVP with Nvidia based chipset...cos that'll open a huge pot of questions...BUT if Nvidia's drivers begin to support supertiling, or have the option of using it, only then can there be a chance, but again, HIGHLY unlikely, since ATI doesnt use a bridge ... SLI IS a tad Hardware based as well.

Perkam

LowRun
05-04-2005, 04:24 AM
doing it consistently at 9k says a lot about the mobo.
Perkam

It doesn't tell me a lot about the mobo, as i have no clue what hardware they were using at the moment, could as well have been using a r520. Numbers alone don't give any infos, they just lead to speculations.

bypolar
05-04-2005, 04:49 AM
I'm not convinced that ATI has that much control over the release of the actual boards.
Like Greyskull said it is up to the MB makers to assume production and intergrate all the overclocking features that have been developed.

I dought Saphire Motherboard division is up to the task of supporting a highly overclockable motherboard Via costomersupport.

And I do not see the other no name board makers that have shown preproduction models supporting a highly tweakable production board.

A company like DFI or MSI,ASUS or alike needs to pickup this chipset. And produce the board we are all waiting on.

Grayskull
05-04-2005, 09:39 AM
X850XT PE @ 770E/685M
OCZ VX
FX CPU

CPU and GFX under cascade.


It doesn't tell me a lot about the mobo, as i have no clue what hardware they were using at the moment, could as well have been using a r520. Numbers alone don't give any infos, they just lead to speculations.

Grayskull
05-04-2005, 09:41 AM
That's correct. We do not directly control any product shipment dates for mobo vendors.


I'm not convinced that ATI has that much control over the release of the actual boards.
Like Greyskull said it is up to the MB makers to assume production and intergrate all the overclocking features that have been developed.

I dought Saphire Motherboard division is up to the task of supporting a highly overclockable motherboard Via costomersupport.

And I do not see the other no name board makers that have shown preproduction models supporting a highly tweakable production board.

A company like DFI or MSI,ASUS or alike needs to pickup this chipset. And produce the board we are all waiting on.

Grayskull
05-04-2005, 09:42 AM
You need to ask the mobo vendor for that.


To be honest i'd be more interested by an ETA.

perkam
05-04-2005, 09:42 AM
X850XT PE @ 770E/685M
OCZ VX
FX CPU

CPU and GFX under cascade.

VERY nice wow...:eek: ...You guys should try 01 run with that :p: ...it'd get 40k too easily. But thx for the info....I know ATI isnt an overclocking lab lol, they're a company that makes these amazing chips...but nice to see they test them this way, too :eek: even when its only for less than 1% of the market.

Perkam

Grayskull
05-04-2005, 09:44 AM
To be clear, no tweaks or tricks to the OS. Superpi at 22 seconds without any OS tweaks or tricks (i.e. shutting down all non essential services etc) is pretty difficult to get.

9K was attained with both CPU and GFX overclocked.


He didn't say stock, I believe its just no tweaks or tricks on the drivers or OS. At stock any combination CPU or video card wouldn't reach 9K unless they have traveled into the future and retrieved a motherboard that has technolgy lifted from a crashed alien spacecraft and employed that technology in their new chipset. Of course if that is the case, feel free to hyperventilate and/or soil yourself. :D

Grayskull
05-04-2005, 09:50 AM
Actually over 40K, quite easily.

You are correct, we are not an overclocking house and don't intend to be. However, running a board like this does have some limited use for us. Not much though.


VERY nice wow...:eek: ...You guys should try 01 run with that :p: ...it'd get 40k too easily. But thx for the info....I know ATI isnt an overclocking lab lol, they're a company that makes these amazing chips...but nice to see they test them this way, too :eek: even when its only for less than 1% of the market.

Perkam

P_1
05-04-2005, 11:46 AM
grayskull can you tell us if ati multi rendering will work on any chipset that supports 2x pcie 8x slots?

s7e9h3n
05-04-2005, 11:54 AM
To be clear, no tweaks or tricks to the OS. Superpi at 22 seconds without any OS tweaks or tricks (i.e. shutting down all non essential services etc) is pretty difficult to get.

Unless, of course, if your cpu is running @ 3.9G :D

radeonman
05-04-2005, 12:24 PM
This mobo sound great, but i aint gonna sell my ultra-d off when it work great for me, maybe in the next 2+ or something. i know for sure i keeping my mobo.

nordik
05-04-2005, 01:16 PM
I'll be buying one :D

trakslacker
05-04-2005, 03:11 PM
i tell you what. If vendor can get a good OC board based on this chipset out by the beginnning of July, I will be ALL over this. :D If I could get my hands on an MVP board, that be a awesome bonus, but any board would do.

LowRun
05-04-2005, 04:24 PM
X850XT PE @ 770E/685M
OCZ VX
FX CPU

CPU and GFX under cascade.

Now this is infos, thank you for this Grayskull.

LowRun
05-04-2005, 04:46 PM
You need to ask the mobo vendor for that.

Yeah, i know but as you know probably better than me i wouldn't get an answer but don't get me wrong, i'm glad you brought this all to us. It's just that the excitement that this brings comes along with the frustration of not even knowing if the product will make it to market or when.
Really looking forward for that promising piece of work, please hurry up :D

bypolar
05-05-2005, 06:03 AM
Ok, here is some hope.
I do not remember reading this article anywhere, but if there time frame is correct the boards should be comming out anytime now.

The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21583)

bypolar
05-05-2005, 06:09 AM
Looks like ECS is on the band wagon.
Elite Bastards (http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=9783&head=1&comments=1)


Shuttle too!! The Tech report (http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/shuttle-st20g5/index.x?pg=1)

MsB
05-05-2005, 10:43 PM
Looks like ECS is on the band wagon.
Elite Bastards (http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=9783&head=1&comments=1)


Shuttle too!! The Tech report (http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/shuttle-st20g5/index.x?pg=1)
Yeah I just saw that board and am wondering if it will oc at all cause If it will I would jump on it. I want to make a sff unit for lanning but man I just gotta be able to at least squeeze a couple hundred mghz out of my sys o r it just dont feel right. What about ECS RS480-M motherboard Grayskull?

STEvil
05-05-2005, 11:00 PM
that shuttle board looks fun...

Ubermann
05-06-2005, 05:06 AM
Some info.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23060

AMD-me
05-06-2005, 05:51 AM
Some info.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23060
I almost dont want to upgrade yet now :slobber:

perkam
05-06-2005, 05:53 AM
Some info.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23060

Thats great and all...but we have yet to confirm if ALL X800/X850/X700 PCI-E will be Multi GPU capable or will there be special versions of these cards we have to buy :(

Perkam

mcnbns
05-06-2005, 06:06 AM
Thats great and all...but we have yet to confirm if ALL X800/X850/X700 PCI-E will be Multi GPU capable or will there be special versions of these cards we have to buy :(

Perkam
Do we need special 6800s to run in SLI? No. As long as they're PCI-E everything's happy.

I really doubt ATi would be stupid enough to make people buy special cards to run in multi-GPU configs. I'm guessing any PCI-E ATi card will be able to do it, right from the X700 Pro to R520. That way ATi will be able to compete with nVidia on the low end dual card arena and on the high end.

:2cents:

Ubermann
05-06-2005, 06:06 AM
I got a new sapphire x850xt pe here but no motherboard.
I hope they will work with AMR and maybe they drop in price when R520 is released so i can buy another one.
If amr will be good that is, if its same performance as nvidia sli i will skip it.
I read about master and slave cards today, with dongle back like voodoo had.
Inq had that info i think.

uwackme
05-06-2005, 08:05 AM
Dont know what to think now. Mentions 'external adapter"....as I said long ago, you can easily "SLI" two ATI cards by using a DVI dongle with some circuitry in it and a tweak to the driver SW to have 1/2 frame done on each board, and the "master" board setting the V/Hsync timings.

I was hoping ATI would use the power of PCIe to unleash a no dongle equivalent function. The PCIe bus is fast enough to allow some of the x16 lanes to be used for CARD-to-CARD transfer of the completed frame buffer work from the slave over to the master.

IE: x16.... means 16 lanes of data, SLI splits it to x8 and x8 for two 6800's, and further uses a bridge board to connect the framebuffer output of the slave to the master. But you could easily do x6 and x6 leaving x2 (from each card, tied together) lanes for this bridging function right on the current SLI motherboards.....only difference would be the NVidia "dimm" board (or for DFI boards, a different set of "JUMPER BLOCKS" to assign the x16-to x?? scheme).

Perhaps a bios flash might be needed to tell the X800-PCIe board about the new x6/x2 or x4/x4 arrangement for proper bootup. But most of the work would be done in a driver change.

Each PCIe lane is good for 100 Mbps transfer rate. So 1/2 a 1920x1200 frame would be the max amount of data being sent (the other 1/2 frame buffer is on the master already). So dedicating x4 lanes from each card would yeild 400Mbps connection between cards, x2 would yeild 200Mbps.

PCIe is x16 lanes to the video, SLI breaks it into (2) x8 lanes, ATI could further divide it into (2) x4 [from CPU/NB to videocard] and (2) x4 [from videocard to videocard, tied together so its really only x4 total].

Just a thought.

AMD-me
05-06-2005, 09:25 AM
I'm getting worried, my time to upgrade is soon approaching, and I want this board!!

Ubermann
05-06-2005, 10:03 PM
More info:
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMTY1

politenessman
05-10-2005, 09:28 PM
Looks like ECS is on the band wagon.
Elite Bastards (http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=9783&head=1&comments=1)


Shuttle too!! The Tech report (http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/shuttle-st20g5/index.x?pg=1)

ordered that board from newegg ($82) will be showing up tomorrow (5/12) to put in aspire cube case. matched with 3500 venice (or 3500 winny if it doesnt recognize my venice core) 2x 512mb pqi turbo and either 6800gt or x850xt(have both, havent decided yet) tv tuner and maxtor 300gb 16mb cache ncq drive. hope wimpy psu that comes with case can handle it. might have to back off to evga 6600gt i have laying around here. case comes tomorrow also. i hear might just be enough space for small atx psu. hopefully this is true. let you know how it works out.
btw the elite b*stards link doesnt mention that this is a microatx board.

very truly yours,
politenessman


edit - gone from newegg!! but mine definitely on the way, shipped 5/9 with the venice core. they are still selling an msi radeon xpress 200 microatx board tho.

XTCgr
05-10-2005, 10:26 PM
Looks like ECS is on the band wagon.

this board is already in stock for sale in japan,

MsB
05-11-2005, 06:36 AM
ordered that board from newegg ($82) will be showing up tomorrow (5/12) to put in aspire cube case. matched with 3500 venice (or 3500 winny if it doesnt recognize my venice core) 2x 512mb pqi turbo and either 6800gt or x850xt(have both, havent decided yet) tv tuner and maxtor 300gb 16mb cache ncq drive. hope wimpy psu that comes with case can handle it. might have to back off to evga 6600gt i have laying around here. case comes tomorrow also. i hear might just be enough space for small atx psu. hopefully this is true. let you know how it works out.
btw the elite b*stards link doesnt mention that this is a microatx board.

very truly yours,
politenessman


edit - gone from newegg!! but mine definitely on the way, shipped 5/9 with the venice core. they are still selling an msi radeon xpress 200 microatx board tho.

Im anxious to hear your results.

politenessman
05-11-2005, 07:48 AM
got it!! came 1 day early with my oem 3500 venice -
ADA3500 DAA4BP
LBBLE 0515FPBW
Z634434D5xxxx

aspire case wont be here until tomorrow (unless that comes early too )
but wil put it on bench and fire it up a little later. not expecting great things - probably not an overclocker's bios, butthe 11x multi on the 3500 should help out. let you know how it works out.

very truly yours,
politenessman

nordik
05-11-2005, 08:31 AM
I'm getting worried, my time to upgrade is soon approaching, and I want this board!!


Same here :stick:

Ubermann
05-11-2005, 08:39 AM
I waited and waited, then ordered an DFI.

trakslacker
05-11-2005, 08:48 AM
I waited and waited, then ordered an DFI.

hehe. Yeah thats the same boat I'm in. The time to start ordering everything for my new rig is drawing near(early June), and I'd honestly like to run this ATi mobo assuming the performance is there. But it really doesnt look like its gonna make it in time, and I'll probably end up ordering a DFI Ultra-D.

Still holding out a bit of hope that Computex will bring forth the release(no paper launch, please) of the full production versions, although that seems doubtful. :(

FiNcH64
05-11-2005, 09:35 AM
wooow!!!!!!

if xzibit also could pimp pc's this is the mobo to choose

so niceeee , faboulous abosolut the pimp of pimp's hehe LOL

:pimp:

perkam
05-11-2005, 09:43 AM
hehe. Yeah thats the same boat I'm in. The time to start ordering everything for my new rig is drawing near(early June), and I'd honestly like to run this ATi mobo assuming the performance is there. But it really doesnt look like its gonna make it in time, and I'll probably end up ordering a DFI Ultra-D.

Still holding out a bit of hope that Computex will bring forth the release(no paper launch, please) of the full production versions, although that seems doubtful. :(

Looks like June will be the months for these and MVP, it seems. The Inq says the R520s been delayed for these boards, we better be getting something other than the warm summer breeze this June/July :mad:

Perkam

Zervun
05-11-2005, 11:54 AM
I waited and waited, then ordered an DFI.

did the same time - the time this thing has taken to be released is just ridiculous

Likely when an AMR version of this comes out I might sell my sli dfi and get it

Alot of people were still lugging around thie 2.4c's heavily overclocked and switching to AMD ;), then waiting for venice, then waiting for this and r520 ;)

too much waiting imo - everyone is jumping on the DFI wagon

buff
05-12-2005, 11:28 AM
results of the Shuttle board?

MsB
05-12-2005, 02:05 PM
Politnessman any results yet, on the SFF? I really wanna get something sff soon.

politenessman
05-14-2005, 12:01 AM
yes, got them both the other day with a 3500 venice from newegg. put them together real quick last night and didnt boot. put in a 3500 winny and booted right up. needed new bios that supports venice. flashed, put venice back in and booted right into windows on an old install using nforce drivers! uninstalled nforce and installed ati stuff. no monitoring software included but the aspire case has a couple of temp probes that maybe i can do something with. love this board! has some oc options BUT VDIMM TO ONLY 2.7v. i am running 2x256mb corsair pc3500 rev 1.1 bh5 and running ok. but if you are going to bump it up i would say definitely use tccd.
board has 4x sata (sata2?) slots on a native controller. manual sux. vcore to 1.55v. multis, htt from 200-250mhz. ldt from 1x to 5x no .5. many raid options across sata/pata but NO FLOPPY OR IMAGE ON CD INCLUDED THAT WOULD LET YOU INSTALL WINDOWS WITH SATA RAID(F6). will call ecs tech support.
btw check out ecs web site- they have a converter that will let you run, on a socket 775 board, either a dothan, turion, or socket 754 amd!!!
really like this board and will put in some g.skill and oc a bit, post some benchies/screenies.
aspire case great too. does not have the blue windows shown in advertising. does not come with a manual, but one on web site. i am using a liteon dvd/r/ drive, which is very short, leaving me space to put in a larger power supply.
but included one, 420w/13 amp on 12v rail doing ok so far (little light on 12v rail but 5v and 3.3v ok) running 2x 80g pata jb, dvd/r, 120mm fan, 70mm fan, couple ccfl and an evga 6600gt. i am using a tt venus 12 hs but low clearance forced me to take off 80mm fan and substitute a 70mm from amd retail hs/f. this is a not really that tall hs/f but i will look around for a shorter one that i can use a 25mm tall fan on. looks to be decent clearance on mainboard for hs/f, but forget about xp90s and the like in this case. psu has exhaust fan, and the 120mm exhaust fan is right next to it, but no intake fan. i am thinking about turning the 120mm around, and cutting blowhole in one or more of the windows for exhaust. right now, as configured, runs 11x220mhz @ 1.5 vcore, temps around 45c idle, very quiet.
case is much nicer than i thought with a lot more room than i thought.
board is much nicer than i thought with better bios than i thought and great features. cant be beat for $82. has built in x300 grafix, but i like games so using the 6600gt for now.
i will yank board out tomorrow, attach better psu, better hs/f better ram, put in the x850xt and run some benchies outside the case. cant now, my kid came home and copied over 5 or ten thousand mp3s, ripped the bootleg revenge dvd we picked up today and hauled ash with the box. will post pics tomorrow also.
if you can get one, get this board (newegg not carrying anymore) if you can get this case (newegg out, got mine from xoxide) get one.


very truly yours,
politenessman

kraggy
05-14-2005, 06:37 AM
To bad you had to ge the ECS, I would expect those kinds of limits or probs from them. Here is a MSI version of the ATI 200express RS480 mATX (http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/329802/MSI_MICROSTAR/RS480M2IL/MATX_MOTHERBOARD_ATI_X200_PCI_IEEE) for $89. Could you post some pics of your setup politenessman? I am planning to build a Aspire 939 SFF for my office. What did you sau was the highest v-dimm on that board? I have a gig of value VX that needs high v-dimm to get to 250-260.

politenessman
05-14-2005, 08:32 AM
then forget it man. highest vdimm THIS BIOS is 2.7v maybe better in the future. have had really bad luck with msi, have really cheesy feel. just me i guess. chose the ecs over the msi in spite of bios because of ecs great quality. out of 50-60 cheap pcs i built using ecs, not one ever had hardware problem, versus the dozens of abits, gigabytes and msi back for service. just my experience. i did not mean to imply i had any probs with the board. stoked right up, overclocks both my 3500 winny and rev e, runs reasonably cool even with passive (but giant) heat sink on northbridge. no compatiblility issues with pqi turbo 512mb x2 (tccd), corsair bh5 or g.skill pc4800 la (tccd)
bh5 craps out at 220mhz at the low vdimm. this is in sff case, not using it to break any records. with the pqi turbo, at 1.55vcore the winny does 11x240 with reasonable temps, took out the rev e ecause it overclocks for absolute shiz. so this sff, with 1gb tccd, wd 80g x2 raid 0, x850xt connect3d oem i just ordered, hauppage pvr500 will do it for me, at least for the next few weeks when i will swap out the winny for dual core. that will be an ok sff.

very truly yours,
politenessman

ps trying to borrow a cam, left my camedia on the table with strap hanging down and my cat, tennisball head, grabbed it, pulled it off and the lens got bashed back into the camera. i may have to use web cam, but thats the way it goes.

Lithan
05-14-2005, 09:54 AM
What's your max HTT possible? Hows performance?

politenessman
05-14-2005, 11:12 AM
still in the box, with not too good hs/f. soon as i can get it away from my kid, i will yank mainboard, put on xp90, put in g.skill la, put in x850xt and run some benchies. right now, with 3500 winny @ 1.5 vcore, not too good hs/f,
bh5 ram, it is running @240x11. htt only goes from 200-250 in bios. no prob running 5x ldt @ 240mhz. when my kid gets tired of showing it off and watching revenge on it, i will swap out the hardware and bench it outside the box.
as far as i can tell, performance is nice. far cry and hl2 running great with 6600gt. no monitoring software came with board so i cant know temps while running. i will do the above as soon as i can.

very truly yours,
politenessman

MsB
05-14-2005, 01:15 PM
240 fsb is very good for as far as Im concerned. sheesh some mushy red pc3200 and a SD 4000+ @240 x12 would be just great for a lan rig IMO . my rigs are wc'ed so .... Im sure I get a 4000+ to that, on it. wow now if they just made one with sli Id be in heaven. and did i read right your getting it to run 5x on htt at 240?? thats really great

politenessman
05-14-2005, 08:09 PM
yea thats right 240 x5. no prob. hopefully board will get a little more distribution and some folks can open up the bios a bit and maybe a voltage mod or 2.


very truly yours,
politenessman

politenessman
05-15-2005, 09:11 PM
first problems - board not liking pqi turbo 512mbx2. blue screens. no posts, etc. strangest thing, sticks of pqi turbo were much much hotter to the touch when i took them off the board than they ever were on ultra d, even at much higher vdimm. bh5 back in, 230x11, cas 2, 2.7v vdimm. still have not done clean install. will get that done and other stuff in a day or 2. can anyone recommend decent, short hs/f good for mild oc on 3500 winny? venice back on ultra d for now. thanx.

very truly yours,
politenessman

NickK
05-15-2005, 10:24 PM
I'm in the waiting boat too. My current system is a Barton XP2500 and a gf3ti200. All that stuff is going become a storage server.

Waiting for Dual core, waiting for a system that can handle 2-4Gb properly and waiting for a PCI-E graphics card (R520).

The two reasons I will buy this machine are for Java development and for playing BF2.. currently I have one reason, the next is due about July time.

ettis
05-15-2005, 10:58 PM
I really hope this mobo will support AMR/MVP... otherwise ATI has made a big marketing mistake.

Ubermann
05-15-2005, 11:54 PM
Did they ever market it as AMR board ?

saaya
05-16-2005, 05:24 AM
what ever happened to this board? :confused:
its been 2 months...

Revv23
05-16-2005, 05:28 AM
i dont think its coming out...

i think it was a publicity thing and they are going to hold it back waiting for AMR chipset, unfortunatly...

of course id love to be wrong, ive been putting off my 939 rig since the day this board was announced, but that DFI looks better every day.

trakslacker
05-16-2005, 05:31 AM
yeah, My new 939 build is coming up at the end of June now, which gives them even more tiem to get this thing out to the public, but its just not gonna happen. I'm just gonna wind up getting a DFI(which is not a bad thing, perse ;)) and ATi will lose yet another sale of this board due to terrible timing.

Oh well.

Minnyboy
05-16-2005, 05:41 AM
Why are we waiting??

Man, this thread got so many ppl going... Especially the ATI & NVIDIA Fanboyism...

Finally a product from ATI that was in the same league as Nvidia that didn't have anything to do with GPUs...

Oh well, guess I'll have to stick with my DFI NF4 SLI-D while I wait that bit longer for this board to finally show up in retail... If at all...

Wait a sec... It's available!!! You too can get the "RADEON Xpress 200" board in stores right now...

As much Vcore & vDimm as you want as long as it's no higher than 1.6v/2.8v... MSI have them... ECS have them... Sapphire are still gonna release them... When the NF6 (dreams) comes out we will be able to get our hands on an ATI Xpress 200 mainboard with anything similar to the options shown to us by Sapphire...

/Rant Mode Off...
Minnyboy
P.S. As is always the case these days... Something special shows up, gets everyone going & fades like the wind before you know it...
Anyone remember how easy it was to get an X800XT PE 2 months after it was released??... Even now it's still hard to get a hold of an X800XT PE let alone an X850XT PE... Goodnight

dippyskoodlez
05-16-2005, 06:43 AM
Why are we waiting??

Wait a sec... It's available!!! You too can get the "RADEON Xpress 200" board in stores right now...

As much Vcore & vDimm as you want as long as it's no higher than 1.6v/2.8v... MSI have them... ECS have them... Sapphire are still gonna release them... When the NF6 (dreams) comes out we will be able to get our hands on an ATI Xpress 200 mainboard with anything similar to the options shown to us by Sapphire...


No, the board that WE want, is not available. If you knew what you were ranting about, you would know the MSI and ECS dont offer enough, or any of the options that we are wanting.

kraggy
05-16-2005, 06:50 AM
Why are we waiting??

Wait a sec... It's available!!! You too can get the "RADEON Xpress 200" board in stores right now...

As much Vcore & vDimm as you want as long as it's no higher than 1.6v/2.8v...


WoooooooHHHOOOOOOOOOO! The last statement is the funniest! :clap: :banana: :D "As much Vcore & vDimm as you want as long as it's no higher than 1.6v/2.8v... "

Dang bros, thats some overclockin' voltage options fo shooooe! :cheer: :cheer: :down:

trakslacker
05-16-2005, 06:54 AM
lol, thorw in some UTT and see how well that works. Granted, TCCD would work to an extent, but I dont eve know if those boards have unlocked multis, locked PCIe lanes, detailed memory timings, etc.

needless to say, the MSI Xpress200 board is NOT what we are looking for...

nordik
05-16-2005, 06:56 AM
WoooooooHHHOOOOOOOOOO! The last statement is the funniest! :clap: :banana: :D "As much Vcore & vDimm as you want as long as it's no higher than 1.6v/2.8v... "

Dang bros, thats some overclockin' voltage options fo shooooe! :cheer: :cheer: :down:

hahaha :toast:

Revv23
05-16-2005, 07:54 AM
lol i think you guys missed the joke.

yeah they could have sold tons of mainboard if they released this thing when the hype was up, but it seems like most poeple that wanted it are with DFI now, itll have to be a significant amount better to get people to switch, and the people who are waiting havent even seen results at all yet. merely pictures and a list of features.

situman
05-16-2005, 08:41 AM
dont forget to mention that Abit is coming out with their AN8 SLI with 3.55vdimm. Competition just went up and we havent even seen a preview of any sort from any website. in addition, DFI is releasing their "value lanparty" with 3.2vdimm and wat seems like a great overclocker from Initial tests.

dippyskoodlez
05-16-2005, 10:21 AM
dont forget to mention that Abit is coming out with their AN8 SLI with 3.55vdimm. Competition just went up and we havent even seen a preview of any sort from any website. in addition, DFI is releasing their "value lanparty" with 3.2vdimm and wat seems like a great overclocker from Initial tests.

I haven't seen any impressive results from the abit nf4 boards yet, and I still dont think it'll be able to match the ultra-d. it has colors, an SLI mod, and 4v vdimm. The Abit has "fatal1ty" :P

Competition? hah! :P

situman
05-16-2005, 02:02 PM
I haven't seen any impressive results from the abit nf4 boards yet, and I still dont think it'll be able to match the ultra-d. it has colors, an SLI mod, and 4v vdimm. The Abit has "fatal1ty" :P

Competition? hah! :P

either you are right or you are wrong. no one knows until the board comes out. :slap: :nono:

Minnyboy
05-16-2005, 02:26 PM
No, the board that WE want, is not available. If you knew what you were ranting about, you would know the MSI and ECS dont offer enough, or any of the options that we are wanting.

Sorry n00b here that don't know what i'm talking about...

Of course I knew that the MSI/ECS boards were p.o.s...

Haven't you ever been sarcastic before :rolleyes:

dippyskoodlez
05-16-2005, 03:14 PM
Sorry n00b here that don't know what i'm talking about...

Of course I knew that the MSI/ECS boards were p.o.s...

Haven't you ever been sarcastic before :rolleyes:

<-- proud owner of 3 ECS k7s5a. They arent "crap". QUite awesome boards for $30 at the time. Hit 300fsb on the sucker. :stick:

Zebo
05-16-2005, 06:18 PM
Yeah I miss the cheap AMD days:( Now they charge like intel.

Minnyboy
05-17-2005, 01:51 AM
<-- proud owner of 3 ECS k7s5a. They arent "crap". QUite awesome boards for $30 at the time. Hit 300fsb on the sucker. :stick:

I see that you're still not getting my point... Oh well...

Read this thread from the start & then maybe you'll get what I mean...

Advertising (well I call it that) that you've got a board that can do that much volts etc & then not releasing it within a 2 month timeline...

Oh well, good for you that you got an ECS up to 300fsb :clap:...

Then again, I wonder why this tyhread isn't titled "ECS ATI board @ 300HTT/FSB"??

BTW what's the max volts for Vcore/vDimm on that sucker??

Enough of the sarcasm... I was saying that this whole thread that had so many views over the last 2 odd months but still nothing but that 1 (well maybe 2-3 boards that were displayed at that show)... Nothing but thin air...

jrw
05-17-2005, 01:57 AM
No big deal.

DFI only took ~1 year from announcement to release for their sockt 939 AGP board...

:rofl:

dippyskoodlez
05-17-2005, 06:53 AM
I see that you're still not getting my point... Oh well...

Read this thread from the start & then maybe you'll get what I mean...

Advertising (well I call it that) that you've got a board that can do that much volts etc & then not releasing it within a 2 month timeline...

Oh well, good for you that you got an ECS up to 300fsb :clap:...

Then again, I wonder why this tyhread isn't titled "ECS ATI board @ 300HTT/FSB"??

BTW what's the max volts for Vcore/vDimm on that sucker??

Enough of the sarcasm... I was saying that this whole thread that had so many views over the last 2 odd months but still nothing but that 1 (well maybe 2-3 boards that were displayed at that show)... Nothing but thin air...

Ive been in the thread from the begining. :rolleyes: The K7s5a was not the uber overclocking board, but that isnt always necessary. Vmods are for when you dont have the options. The ECS however, would give me plenty of bios options, as I was a beginner when I started with it, and still to this day love the board.

Max vcore? stock :P Vmods are your friend. Any mobo can overclock.. you just have to treat it right :D (cept for the ones where they dont give you squat for a bios :P )

As much as I wish this board was out, it seems most other manufacturers either dont wanna make a board with this chipset, or its just not ready enough? :stick:

Rolle2k
05-17-2005, 08:24 AM
If the board don't come to stores soon i will probably join every other "i waited and waited, and waited, and bought an nForce4 board"-people .. especially now when abit seem to have better vdimm on their newer nForce4 boards. i Just want the regular "AN8 Fatal1ty Ultra" board with the new vdimm settings and stuff (mostly cus i want the expansion sound card). also cus i don't feel ready for DFI yet, after my Lanparty Ultra Rev-B.

Ubermann
05-17-2005, 11:46 AM
We will se plenty of them at Computex according to ATI.
I guess Gruper went with AMR also else i see no point of the delay.

Rolle2k
05-17-2005, 12:15 PM
yes, but then how long will it take to get to the swedish shops, oh my.. it will probably take another two months :( well i'll how i will do later.

MsB
05-17-2005, 02:50 PM
I couldn't wait I ordered a new dfi sli dr last night, I also have a gig of mushkin redline, two 6800 gt's and an aerocool 550 turbo PS on the way. :banana:

Ubermann
05-17-2005, 08:16 PM
yes, but then how long will it take to get to the swedish shops, oh my.. it will probably take another two months :( well i'll how i will do later.

Dont you just love living in Sweden when you want to buy new released stuff
:mad:
CPU's goes around europe and finally come to sweden when new modells are released in US.
UK that is not that far away gets it alot faster.
I really hope the new ati boards are to be find in stores right after computex.
Its suppose to be the official launch of AMR.

Rolle2k
05-19-2005, 06:12 AM
Dont you just love living in Sweden when you want to buy new released stuff
:mad:
CPU's goes around europe and finally come to sweden when new modells are released in US.
UK that is not that far away gets it alot faster.
I really hope the new ati boards are to be find in stores right after computex.
Its suppose to be the official launch of AMR.

Oh yes, but if it will take long time, i'll probably will order one board from the US, so i won't have to wait that long. Anyway i think it will be a really nice board to my 2GB's of BH-5 (that i bought from you :p: )

Ubermann
05-19-2005, 09:52 AM
God damn the world is to small =)
Had no idea it was you who bought a few of them, but i do know your nick on internet cuz you use to put toghether driver mixes.
Oh well back to topic.
Wonder if that gruper board is already running on E3 ? No news yet ?

hchu
05-19-2005, 11:40 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23364

Looks like the grouper now has mvpu (aka crossfire)!!!
But the 2 pcie x16 slots are far too close to each other!

SlackeR
05-20-2005, 01:08 AM
well. LOOK!
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=90350&page=2&pp=20
He got one ;)
He either put his gfx in the bottom slot or no mvpu.
Of course there may be different versions. now thy just need to show up..
an honestly, i'm glad that it seems the tuned down the red stuff a bit with black slots..

IRQ Conflict
05-20-2005, 01:22 AM
I actually prefer the red and white, every board out there has black slots = boring.

But it is the performance and stability that matters most.

cadaveca
05-20-2005, 04:43 AM
Here's the boxshot, and a pic of the board running sapphire's "liquid metal" cooling:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30815
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30816

photo's thanks to xbit labsHERE (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editorial/display/e3-2005.html)

Arkangyl
05-20-2005, 06:25 PM
that boards looks WAY better than the one on page one. All silver with some black >>>> red & white

AMD-me
05-20-2005, 07:25 PM
dammit whens this board arrive??!! I could give a damn about multi VPU!

IRQ Conflict
05-20-2005, 09:07 PM
that boards looks WAY better than the one on page one. All silver with some black >>>> red & white

Dood! thats not silver, It's a white PCB with red silk screen and white PCI slots and some blech...I mean black thrown into the mix.

Whats not to like of the red and white pics with the water blocks? :confused:

SlackeR
05-21-2005, 03:34 AM
Dood! thats not silver, It's a white PCB with red silk screen and white PCI slots and some blech...I mean black thrown into the mix.

Whats not to like of the red and white pics with the water blocks? :confused:

I really don't like it either. It looks very... weak or something. I don't know. It is just not me. Not that i wouldn't buy it if they perform :)
But i think this is better too. The waterblocks are cool.

Ubermann
05-21-2005, 09:56 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23364

Looks like the grouper now has mvpu (aka crossfire)!!!
But the 2 pcie x16 slots are far too close to each other!

That pic is fake. Notice photoshop on second PCI-E
I even mailed the writer of the story on inq and he told me when i said it was fake picture:

"I noticed but its used for one of the upcoming product boxes
so it is a proof and news for me "

:eek2:

IRQ Conflict
05-21-2005, 01:05 PM
Dood! you got a reply? damn they must hate me, mabey the way i worded it? :)

I also accused it of being faked, but got no response.

kraggy
05-21-2005, 01:34 PM
That pic is fake. Notice photoshop on second PCI-E
I even mailed the writer of the story on inq and he told me when i said it was fake picture:

:eek2:

Wheeeewww! I was beginning to think ATI was dropping the ball and I would have to stay with NV. My dual head SLI phase cooler won't fit between those slots.

Tony
05-21-2005, 01:40 PM
I have seen both the standard board and the dual "SLI" version, I even touched them both and yes both were working.

Hopefully not long to wait now ;)

SlackeR
05-21-2005, 02:27 PM
I have seen both the standard board and the dual "SLI" version, I even touched them both and yes both were working.

Hopefully not long to wait now ;)

Well then.. How much room do we have between the graphics cards? :)

Ubermann
05-21-2005, 08:20 PM
Dood! you got a reply? damn they must hate me, mabey the way i worded it? :)

I also accused it of being faked, but got no response.

You mailed fudo ?
I didnt expect an answer from him =)
What does he mean with "used for upcoming product" ?
They gonna photoshop stuff on their product boxes from now ?
Then why not make 8 PCI-E slots and say its for upcoming products =)

Ubermann
05-21-2005, 08:26 PM
I have seen both the standard board and the dual "SLI" version, I even touched them both and yes both were working.

Hopefully not long to wait now ;)

I heard grouper was on E3 but they say it wasnt running there ?
I GUESS they are real close to release both version, single and some SLI version but then why use photoshop on a box ?

perkam
05-22-2005, 06:27 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63351 :hehe:

Perkam

Ubermann
05-22-2005, 07:12 AM
http://www.sapphiretech.com/pressrelease/Pure.pdf

IRQ Conflict
05-22-2005, 12:35 PM
You mailed fudo ?
I didnt expect an answer from him =)
What does he mean with "used for upcoming product" ?
They gonna photoshop stuff on their product boxes from now ?
Then why not make 8 PCI-E slots and say its for upcoming products =)

No I hit the 'Flame Author' button at the bottom of the article, I suppose it went to Faud, or thier complaint dept. aka paper shreder ;)

I suppose if Sapphire were responsible for the pic (I doubt it) it may have been they didn't have an multi vid board on hand and had to mock it up for E3. Purley my speculation though.

I use Paint shop, eisier to fake stuff ;P

Why not 12 32x PCIe and we'll call it a day :)

AMD-me
05-22-2005, 06:44 PM
When is the ETA, i need to know if i can survive w/o a real computer for much longer...my new case/psu is waiting! :D

perkam
05-22-2005, 06:59 PM
When is the ETA, i need to know if i can survive w/o a real computer for much longer...my new case/psu is waiting! :D

What's your price range for one of these?

Perkam

AMD-me
05-22-2005, 09:25 PM
What's your price range for one of these?

Perkam
So long as the PURE board (single gfx) is under 150 bux ill be game.

I could care less about AMR, jes get me that sexy board :D

Ubermann
05-23-2005, 01:23 AM
Will be avaible within coming weeks according to Sapphire.

muzz
05-23-2005, 08:37 AM
lol i think you guys missed the joke.

yeah they could have sold tons of mainboard if they released this thing when the hype was up, but it seems like most poeple that wanted it are with DFI now, itll have to be a significant amount better to get people to switch, and the people who are waiting havent even seen results at all yet. merely pictures and a list of features.

Actually it only has to have similar performance and NO boot/dead hardware issues.
If it does it will get alot of attention even though it's behind.
I will say for certain, that if this thing runs close ( or better, we don't know) to a DFI NF4, I will certainly buy 1 just to save the headaches.
And my guess is alot of other folks will also.

JMO

AMD-me
05-23-2005, 09:44 AM
:banana::banana::banana::banana:..i might have to wait for my upgrade then :(

but this board will kick some ass :evil:

Revv23
05-23-2005, 09:55 AM
Actually it only has to have similar performance and NO boot/dead hardware issues.
If it does it will get alot of attention even though it's behind.
I will say for certain, that if this thing runs close ( or better, we don't know) to a DFI NF4, I will certainly buy 1 just to save the headaches.
And my guess is alot of other folks will also.

JMO


this is true, but for every 1 that have a DFI with dead hardware issues, there are 25 happy customers.

but it is true when you ssay that most people still looking to go for 939 will get this over a dfi if it performs similar with no hardware issues. however i dont think that too many will switch from DFI.

muzz
05-23-2005, 10:09 AM
this is true, but for every 1 that have a DFI with dead hardware issues, there are 25 happy customers.

but it is true when you ssay that most people still looking to go for 939 will get this over a dfi if it performs similar with no hardware issues. however i dont think that too many will switch from DFI.

As we all know here the DFI NF4 is an EXCELLENT clocking board, when it's running.
I do NOT believe that this board is a really big seller OUTSIDE of the enthusiast community(I could very well be wrong), so IF what I think is true, to me that means most of whats going with this board is being discussed in the community ( unlike other boards that EVERYONE buys).
1 out of 25?
I dunno about that #, I see thread after thread after thread regarding cold boot issues with this board.
I am USUALLY of the thought that only folks with problems come to these boards to sort them out, but thats regarding the average board....
Not this one.
JMO
Great board when it's running, but there ARE issues here, no doubt in my mind.

AMD-me
05-23-2005, 01:25 PM
My FSP Blue Storm, and Lian Li pc-7plus SE are crying for some hardware :D

dippyskoodlez
05-23-2005, 03:17 PM
As we all know here the DFI NF4 is an EXCELLENT clocking board, when it's running.
I do NOT believe that this board is a really big seller OUTSIDE of the enthusiast community(I could very well be wrong), so IF what I think is true, to me that means most of whats going with this board is being discussed in the community ( unlike other boards that EVERYONE buys).
1 out of 25?
I dunno about that #, I see thread after thread after thread regarding cold boot issues with this board.
I am USUALLY of the thought that only folks with problems come to these boards to sort them out, but thats regarding the average board....
Not this one.
JMO
Great board when it's running, but there ARE issues here, no doubt in my mind.

For every post in this forum with a problem, which is USUALLY user error (i was once one of them too), there are at LEAST 50-60 boards sold.

1 in 25 is a very low number IMO. I know 4 friends that all have one, along with me, and they all have worked 100% perfectly out of the box, even using a venice. :stick:

DFi's QA is doing great now. Now we just gotta hope sapphire can keep up :D

AMD-me
05-23-2005, 07:59 PM
So a dfi lanparty is a good enough board i guess. I guess, I'll give up and buy a DFI :(

Revv23
05-24-2005, 05:07 AM
when i said 1 in 25 i waws giving a very low #, i am sure the number of happy customers is far greater then this.

muzz
05-24-2005, 06:25 AM
For every post in this forum with a problem, which is USUALLY user error (i was once one of them too), there are at LEAST 50-60 boards sold.

1 in 25 is a very low number IMO. I know 4 friends that all have one, along with me, and they all have worked 100% perfectly out of the box, even using a venice. :stick:

DFi's QA is doing great now. Now we just gotta hope sapphire can keep up :D

Was once one of what?
I agree that problems with boards/hardware have a very high tendency to be user error ( barring hardware issues of course), and have stated this many times over the years.
The polls that I see are alot worse than 1 in 25, and thats in the enthusiast community, where a better % of folks actually know what they are doing.
My board ran mint until I decided to take out my VCard, and then reinstall it, so maybe folks that build it, get it running, and leave it are having better luck.
I dunno man, as I stated it runs great when it feels like booting, it is THE board for AMD performance as of right now period....., but there are alot of folks having issues with it not booting.

Here's to a quick and awesome debut of the Sapphire, they have the cards stacked against them though thats for sure.

cadaveca
05-25-2005, 10:06 AM
Back on topic....here's a press release on the board(s):

http://www.sapphiretech.com/pressrelease/Pure.pdf


PURE Performance!
Developed primarily for the PURE Performance enthusiast, the specifications for the Sapphire
PURE mainboard line have been chosen to give the user maximum flexibility in performance
optimisation. Built using high quality components to provide stability, providing support for high end
hardware options such as Dual VPU support hardware and offering the capability for BIOS
performance tuning, the PURE product family reaches new heights in desirability for the PC
platform. Equipped with the latest ATI Express-200 chipsets it offers support for the latest socket
939 AMD Processors.

AMD-me
05-25-2005, 11:58 AM
Back on topic....here's a press release on the board(s):

http://www.sapphiretech.com/pressrelease/Pure.pdf
repost
:wierd:

:D But yea this board does look impressive, but i broke down and purchased a DFI.

cadaveca
05-25-2005, 12:27 PM
repost
:wierd:

:D But yea this board does look impressive, but i broke down and purchased a DFI.

Only becuase of the dual vpu support part. We want this board why? dual maybe...

ettis
05-26-2005, 12:29 PM
I think they used the word "pure" once or twice too often heh :zombie:

AMD-me
05-26-2005, 01:15 PM
Only becuase of the dual vpu support part. We want this board why? dual maybe...
Because ATI > Nvidia :D

LostInTennessee
05-30-2005, 01:18 AM
FYI-TuL AX480A-GF Socket 939 RADEON XPRESS 200P ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813190003

bennovb
05-30-2005, 04:39 AM
FIY - message above is about the "old" or regular board, NOT the enthusiast board this thread is about

Have a look here at the new ATI based boards which will be on display at Computex

- VR-Zone article (http://vr-zone.com/?i=2237&s=1)
- Sapphire Computex Invite with product info (http://www.sapphiretech.com/pressrelease/computexinvite.jpg)
- DFI has an Lanparty UT RD480 board on display here (http://www.firingsquad.com/features/computex_2005_graphics_preview/page3.asp)

where the RD400 is intended for Dual Graphics MB and the RX480 is for the OC/Enthusiast in shiny white color

http://vr-zone.com/newspics/May05/26/PureInnovationMB.jpg

cadaveca
05-30-2005, 05:01 AM
FYI-TuL AX480A-GF Socket 939 RADEON XPRESS 200P ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813190003



From newegg:


South Bridge ATI SB400


From first post:

-Azalia audio support via SB450 using Realtek codec
not the right board.

Afterburner
05-30-2005, 11:39 AM
OMG....... :slobber: Count me in, with crossfiring of coz......... :D

AMD-me
05-30-2005, 07:01 PM
Crossfire = :cool:

Now i hope it works better than SLi :D

IRQ Conflict
05-31-2005, 03:47 AM
Guys, there's no comparison between the qualification that happens on a big OEM's motherboard as opposed to a retail channel motherboard. The big OEM boards are tested much more thoroughly.

Also, there is a difference between "buggy" and performance. There are many situations where others have flaunted performance numbers but have many skeletons in the closet when it comes to compatibility and robustness. I can't tell you how many SATA drives I've wiped out on another vendor's platform wheras to date I haven't wiped out any on SB400.

*Cough (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2432&p=8)*

perkam
05-31-2005, 04:15 AM
where the RD400 is intended for Dual Graphics MB and the RX480 is for the OC/Enthusiast in shiny white color

EDIT: Meow.

Perkam

mike
05-31-2005, 08:16 AM
Does anyone know if the title of this thread can be changed by now???
To something along the lines of:
Sapphire Ships Radeon Xpress 200 Enthusiast Board @ Computex?

IRQ Conflict
05-31-2005, 01:59 PM
Wait till next year and we'll be able to slap a 'computex 2006' sticker on it. :fact:

cadaveca
05-31-2005, 02:50 PM
Uh...wasnt it like a couple of pages ago I corrected someone about this.
Perkam


uh, no, we were both wrong. you tried to say i made up that RD meant radeon dual and RS radeon single. Greyskull said i was right, but wrong about RS meaning radeon single, as RS means radeon shared. RX stands for radeon xpress.

Boy, you're what, 18, maybe? Must be to let that make your head so big. :fact:



Enough of the speculation. The RS and RX series of chipsets support single GPU. If there was to be a chipset that supports dual GPU it would be labelled RD. The "D" in "RD" would stand for dual. The "S" in "RS" stands for shared as in shared memory architecture.

Some other points to straighten out, IDE will be included on all boards. As for an RD580, there is no such piece of silicon. It is named properly as a next generation part, but doesn't exist.

Now please, let's stay on topic here.


I've been caught off guard by ATI's MVP stuff twice now (stinged once too) so please do excuse my attitude in that manner. It was a harmless statement really. If you had proof of where it said that S meant single and D meant dual...in words...I would have put this right next to my name in my own post and would have put whenever addressing you for a month lol.

Anyhoo, yes these are labels and it may not be entirely ATI's fault for the confusion. The partners who make the boards use their own names for the chipsets at times, but based on the boards out RIGHT now in retail...and I've been following the retail boards quite closely, I've seen a pretty consistent naming scheme, which I posted in my first response to you .

Perkam


and you said this:
RX480: The first AMD Chipset to be released. Standard Board with SATA, Raid, etc. (Radeon Xpress 200P)
RS480: Variant of RX480 with Directx 9.0-capable Onboard Video (Radeon Xpress 200G)
RS400: ATi's Intel Chipset with DDR/DDR2 memory Controller and two PCI-E slots (may not be mvp capable even with two 16/4 config)
RU/RC400: Value Intel mobo chipsets.
RD400: (As seen on Hexus) MVP Capable Intel Mainboard chipset.
RX482: MVP Capable chipset for AMD based on RX480.
RS482: Based on RX482, MVP Capable, with onboard video.

which was not entirely right either.

the first chipset released was the rs480, not the RX, and the chipset in this white board is the RS480,not the rx, as you can see by this bios shot posted earlier by bigtoe.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31691

pls don't jump down peoples throats if they make a mistake. it's impossible for anyone to know EVERYTHING. :fact:


:toast:

__TRONIK__
05-31-2005, 09:13 PM
from what I am reading about the crossfire cards - you can only run an x800 master with an x800, and only an 850master with x850? that true? if so - suck! I have a good XL (check sig heh heh) but when I saw that x850 master cards would be well above $500, and x800xl masters $300, I grabbed an x850xt since I found one really cheap, planning to go with x850+x800xl in crossfire. So now it is looking like I would need to get the $500 master card - or sell the x850 soon as it gets to my door, keep the XL I have, and get an XL master. sheesh, I just wanna plan!

Erasmus354
06-05-2005, 08:58 AM
from what I am reading about the crossfire cards - you can only run an x800 master with an x800, and only an 850master with x850? that true? if so - suck! I have a good XL (check sig heh heh) but when I saw that x850 master cards would be well above $500, and x800xl masters $300, I grabbed an x850xt since I found one really cheap, planning to go with x850+x800xl in crossfire. So now it is looking like I would need to get the $500 master card - or sell the x850 soon as it gets to my door, keep the XL I have, and get an XL master. sheesh, I just wanna plan!

Now why would you go buy an x850xt non master card if you already knew that you would need a special mastercard in order to run crossfire? Seems a little ignorant to me.

Sell the XT, wait for XL mastercard.

__TRONIK__
06-05-2005, 03:24 PM
because when the master cards were first announced, no one said anything about them only working with specific cards. IE no one said you needed and x800 master to use an x800 slave, and so forth. that announcement came later. I didnt want to go with 2xXL and didnt want to pay $500+ for an x850 master, so getting the Xl master and a slave x850 made the most sense - until it came out you could not use them ogether, days after I got the 850.
and I bought my x850 when I did because I expected, and still expect, that crossfire compatible slave cards will spike in price, just like SLI capable cards did when SLI was imminent. and the x850 was $350, which was the lowest I have seen yet and the lowest I expect it will be for a long time.

and don't go calling me ignorant. I've probably forgotten more about overclocking than you'll ever know about it. .

situman
06-05-2005, 07:10 PM
soooo since i have a x800xl, i can only buy a x800xl master card? I thought one of the advantages of AMR was that we can use any combination of ATI master and slave cards.

__TRONIK__
06-05-2005, 07:48 PM
that's the word, though crossfire news has often been premature and contradictory. either that, or you are ignorant. one of the two.

Afterburner
06-05-2005, 10:50 PM
I hope Sapphire designs their Crossfire offering with the kind of generosity DFI and ASUS has. Primarily, plenty for space between the Crossfire slots and 3 x PCI slots :p:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Reheat/DFI.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Reheat/Asus.jpg

__TRONIK__
06-05-2005, 10:58 PM
I agree, I hope they do, and I hope it is a killer board, but with DFI in for ati chipsets now, how likley is it sapphire, a n00b in making mobos, delivers a board that outclocks DFI's? I say not very, and expect the DFI to be my next motherboard

perkam
06-05-2005, 11:03 PM
From all of what I've heard, we might have to wait at least a month for these :( ...and in that time, more will go Ultra-D when they lose patience. Which I cant blame them for, but its a shame.

I just hope some of non-crossfire versions of these boards are priced around the ultra-d price structure...which was brilliant :)

Perkam

Afterburner
06-05-2005, 11:44 PM
I dont think they are entirely noobs. I judge them based on their outstanding graphics cards. Sapphire has always been my choice. Since they are one of ATI's biggest ally, I am sure they worked very closely together to come out with a kick ass mobo that would benfit all 3 parties - ATI, Sapphire, Consumers. This way, ATI and Sapphire will have a flying and highly recognised start........ :D

LowRun
06-06-2005, 04:52 AM
From all of what I've heard, we might have to wait at least a month for these :( ...and in that time, more will go Ultra-D when they lose patience. Which I cant blame them for, but its a shame.

I just hope some of non-crossfire versions of these boards are priced around the ultra-d price structure...which was brilliant :)

Perkam

I'll be more patient and will wait the 2 months it will probably take the boards to hit the shelves. DFI burned me once in the NF2 days with their craptastic boards and so bad Euro support. Now seeing their NF4 boards are still plagued by the same old probs aka cold boot and sudden death, plus they now kill ram :rolleyes:
No DFI for me :nono:

dippyskoodlez
06-06-2005, 05:03 AM
I'll be more patient and will wait the 2 months it will probably take the boards to hit the shelves. DFI burned me once in the NF2 days with their craptastic boards and so bad Euro support. Now seeing their NF4 boards are still plagued by the same old probs aka cold boot and sudden death, plus they now kill ram :rolleyes:
No DFI for me :nono:
:stick:
They;ve sold 4x as many NF4's as NF2's, and most boards, are without a single issue...

I too was burnt with the NFII's... 4 infinitys and a LP A... :stick: I absolutely love, and wouldnt hesitate to get another NF4, though. 3 mobos without a single issue so far. :D

dragonle87
06-10-2005, 11:01 AM
I am very interested in this Sapphire board. Does anyone know whether this board is matx size? I have an Antec Aria collecting dust that I want to install this mobo in. But from glancing at the mobo pics it's not matx size. This mobo has 5 pci expansion slots as opposed to the standard 4 expansion slots of a matx mobo. Any clarification is greatly appreciated. I do hope they make a matx mobo version though.

BRiT
06-10-2005, 12:05 PM
So still no retail availability of the enthuesiast board? :slapass: