Leipzig HUMMER.... me wants.

[charlie]

Was always under the impression that the Porsche Cayenne were available only with V8 and started about 60K USD.... so when shopping at mid-size LUX SUV's lately I have been looking at BMW x5, Infiniti FX, the Cad and the new Land Rover....the most I can hope to afford is like 500-600/mo Lease (40-45K range)...
SO then I discover the Cayenne V6, from 41K USD...
Unfortunately the Cayenne weighs in at a non-svelte 6600lb. or 3000kG for my European friends :D
The V6 weighs in at 247HP and 229 lb/ft of torque.
So the bottom line is.... can this thing get out of it's own way?

Pretty, isn't she?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26210

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D Nice - but I'd buy a lot of FX-57's and 3 stage cascades for that money......... :toast:

[illmatik]

I just saw one of those cruising down W 50th St in the ensuing slush while I grabbed lunch. Sweet ride.

[alexio]

Awsome car, price isn't to bad either (for a porsche :D ).

[Elisha]

go for the infiniti FX45 Charlie.
the birds-eye view navigation is awesome compared to just the 2-D ones in the rest.
plus stock 20" rims.

[Rippthrough]

I prefer the V10 Toureg. And it's definatly not the quickest car ever, I've seen them beat by small shopping cars (dealer nearby).

[Disposibleteen]

I am parttial to the Lexus rx330s myself, consumer reports rates this porsche as a very bad buy, they say reliability is crappy and the dealer charges too much for repairs/maintenence

[charlie]

I am parttial to the Lexus rx330s myself, consumer reports rates this porsche as a very bad buy, they say reliability is crappy and the dealer charges too much for repairs/maintenence

yeah, good call. The BMW has FREE maintenance... but IMHO, and just MY opinion (don't hate me) I just think the RX330 looks feminine. It's a GREAT car, TOYOTA quality and Lexus panache'... but.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26225

[Big Deel]

Quote.......Unfortunately the Cayenne weighs in at a non-svelte 6600lb. or 3000kG for my European friends
The V6 weighs in at 247HP and 229 lb/ft of torque.
So the bottom line is.... can this thing get out of it's own way?.........Quote

I think you answered your own question.

It's a pooch

[2fink]

why is the title of this thread leipzig hummer?
dont understand it.

me likes all the cars you postet, but i think a small car is in a city much better (to good i dont have to choose one of those, because i am too young. would be a really hard selection.)

[Der_KHAN]

check out the touareg before u make ur decision. afaik its based on the same chassis as the porsche but the front looks nicer imho :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26226&stc=1

[2fink]

yes it is the same chassis, but its not a porsche!
a "VolksWagen", like the name says, is a normal car, but a porsche is something, which not everybody owns and i like the front of the porsche more than the front of the VW. (dont take it 100% serious :D)
when you buy a porsche with one of the weak motors, you will have the same motor as it is in the tuareg!

[bias_hjorth]

In terms of machoness: :D
1: Cayenne
2: X5
3: Tourag

In terms of GIRRRLLLINESS [/schwarzenegger]
1: RX330
2: X3
3: come up with something..

[Crankster]

Touareg V10 diesel. Pwnage.
Toyota landcruiser 100 is very nice as well.

[NoX]

IMHO: In terms of reliability

1: Land Rover (can't beat it)
2: Bmw
3: Porsche

[illmatik]

I'm all about the Audi Allroad Bi-Turbo. Too bad they're ending it this year to make room for a full size SUV.. really aggrivating.

[fatfreepork]

FX35 or FX45 pwns them all. They have the same sweet exhaust notes as the G35 coupe and 350z from Borla. I could listen to that motor music all day. :D

[A_X]

http://www.4wd.ru/images/car/cobra/volvo/xc90/xc90_01.jpg
What about the new volvo?

Btw, personally i'd go for X5 without a doubt!

[Rippthrough]

Or the new Merc? Which is supposedly better than the lot of them.

[Elisha]

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/elishajesudason/Infiniti-FX45-002_800.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

this is one sweet baby.

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/elishajesudason/1011599264.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

[Der_KHAN]

and btw the cayenne is not that heavy. unloaden weight is app 5000lbs / 2200kg
0-60 9.1sec for the V6

http://content3.us.porsche.com/prod/cayenne/cayenne.nsf/usaenglish/technical_specification

[charlie]

and btw the cayenne is not that heavy. unloaden weight is app 5000lbs / 2200kg
0-60 9.1sec for the V6

http://content3.us.porsche.com/prod/cayenne/cayenne.nsf/usaenglish/technical_specification


That's better!
So do you ever see Cayenne on Der Aurobahn doing like 200km/h?? Actually on Der Autobahn, it's the white knuckle Grandmothers doing ONLY 200km/h, lol...
That's one reason why I respect cars like BMW/Mercedes/Porsche.... these cars are BUILT, ENGINEERED and ASSEMBLED to run around nice big highways at 200km/h reliably, SAFELY and comfortably. A lot of US cars feel like they're gonna' lose some parts and pieces at those speeds!

C

[charlie]

why is the title of this thread leipzig hummer?
dont understand it.

me likes all the cars you postet, but i think a small car is in a city much better (to good i dont have to choose one of those, because i am too young. would be a really hard selection.)

I nicknamed it the Leipzig HUMMER, as Porsche A.G. built an all new factory/testing grounds in Leipzig just for the Cayenne. And for "HUMMER", I've read the Cayenne is an extremely STRONG off-road performer... ala HUMMER.

C

[Crankster]

http://nlck.toyota.no/dokument/artikler/island04082001/11_8aa.jpg
So you want to go offroad?

[charlie]

http://nlck.toyota.no/dokument/artikler/island04082001/11_8aa.jpg
So you want to go offroad?

hehehehe... yeah, THAT works :D

[olfen]

I saw some cayenne on the autobahn this weekend, but none did run by me then I was doing 210km/h in a lousy rental hyundai

[eddy]

get the Porsche.

[2fink]

I nicknamed it the Leipzig HUMMER, as Porsche A.G. built an all new factory/testing grounds in Leipzig just for the Cayenne. And for "HUMMER", I've read the Cayenne is an extremely STRONG off-road performer... ala HUMMER.

C

ok, thanks for the explanation!

[Disposibleteen]

That's better!
So do you ever see Cayenne on Der Aurobahn doing like 200km/h?? Actually on Der Autobahn, it's the white knuckle Grandmothers doing ONLY 200km/h, lol...
That's one reason why I respect cars like BMW/Mercedes/Porsche.... these cars are BUILT, ENGINEERED and ASSEMBLED to run around nice big highways at 200km/h reliably, SAFELY and comfortably. A lot of US cars feel like they're gonna' lose some parts and pieces at those speeds!

C
yea i hear that one, i drove my friends 2001 dodge neon the other day one the highway and at only 65mph i thought the engine was going to explode from the hood in a huge inferno

[Elisha]

the rebadged american cars drive nice tho such as the new Malibu which is actually a Saab.

[Der_KHAN]

That's better!
So do you ever see Cayenne on Der Aurobahn doing like 200km/h?? Actually on Der Autobahn, it's the white knuckle Grandmothers doing ONLY 200km/h, lol...
That's one reason why I respect cars like BMW/Mercedes/Porsche.... these cars are BUILT, ENGINEERED and ASSEMBLED to run around nice big highways at 200km/h reliably, SAFELY and comfortably. A lot of US cars feel like they're gonna' lose some parts and pieces at those speeds!

C

i havent seen many cayennes yet but speaking of smooth 200kmh+ rides i gotta say i love audis.
i remember taking my dads a4 v6 for a ride and this thing got up to 200+ in like no time while giving u a real smooth ride even on the regular "landstrasse"

im a real audi-fanboy since that day :D

[eddy]

http://nlck.toyota.no/dokument/artikler/island04082001/11_8aa.jpg
So you want to go offroad?
Actually, I want something like that to drive on the beach.

[VSpecII]

For a luxury SUV, thats pretty damn good. But if you want preformance, you either have to dish out the cash on a SUV, or go with the truck (where the Lightning is king. The SRT-10 has a 0.1 second ET advantage, with 120hp and $20k more. Thats pretty weaksauce. $1500 blower pully = SRT10's for lunch). If however you want to off-road, (aside from the ugly-as-sin and thirsty Hummer), the G-Wagon is about as good as it gets.

I wish I had $40kUS to play with....I'm having trouble with the 20k for me Cobra.

[Disposibleteen]

why do you need a winch on the front for beach driving, and i wouold want something smalled and lighter, less topheavy

[Crankster]

Oh disposableteen, you shall soon see! :D
That friggin monster of a car is a land crusier from iceland made to be able to trave glaciers with ease. Sand should not prove very difficult :)

[eddy]

why do you need a winch on the front for beach driving, and i wouold want something smalled and lighter, less topheavy
because some places here in New Jersey, you need a winch or they won't let you out on the beach. Or if they find out you don't have one, they make you leave.

[sjohnson]

heck, I could fall asleep in my 75 year-old mothers Pontiac Grand-AM at 200 Km/h. My '93 Grand Prix was the same way. It's all in how you option them. The Patrols are more strict now :( but travelling at 180-200 Km/h in South Dakota used to be rather easy. Though you can still do it and get away with it. And Wyoming isn't so very far from me.

Don't misunderstand me, I also love the small to mid BMW & Mercedes, and Porsche, but don't cut short the current crop of U.S. cars when properly outfitted.

[zakelwe]

The new Mercedes ML gets a good write up in the british press Charlie, better than the X5 they say.

The Porsche is in a different class I would say, the main problem, as you assume correctly, is that it is probably very slow. I think the V6 is the same unit that powers VW's around. Also the car is hideously ugly looking far too heavy all around and ill proportioned. Other Porsche drivers will giggle at you.

The LandRover Discovery is also terribly heavy and goes very very slowly. My mate works for Land Rover in California and I drove one of them before they were launched. Personally I'd wait for the Range Rover Storm or whatever it is going to be called or the Mercedes ML

Regards

Andy

[zakelwe]

By the way, personally I'd go for the new Audi RS4 estate if I needed all that space.

Regards

Andy

[conrad.maranan]

Buy the Infinity FX. I test drove one a month prior to my Bimmer acquisition. The acceleration is snappy and the handling is pretty nimble. If you go with the X5, you're taken care of as far as the maintenance is concerned. I haven't had my 530i long enough to gauge the average costs for typical Bimmer repairs, though. What's strange is that the computer in my car will not alert me to go for an oil change until I hit the 12,000 mile mark (according to the readings for the oil change menu). I don't know if waiting 12,000 miles to change oil is such a good idea. If that alert doesn't set off by the time I hit 5,000 miles, I'm changing the oil myself. Anyone else with a new school Bimmer aware of this?

Test drive the Infinity FX. You'll love it. :D

[Crankster]

zakelwe, you as a brit aught to like the Range Rover.
A very nice car though a bit on the high side cost-wise.

[Rippthrough]

Buy the Infinity FX. I test drove one a month prior to my Bimmer acquisition. The acceleration is snappy and the handling is pretty nimble. If you go with the X5, you're taken care of as far as the maintenance is concerned. I haven't had my 530i long enough to gauge the average costs for typical Bimmer repairs, though. What's strange is that the computer in my car will not alert me to go for an oil change until I hit the 12,000 mile mark (according to the readings for the oil change menu). I don't know if waiting 12,000 miles to change oil is such a good idea. If that alert doesn't set off by the time I hit 5,000 miles, I'm changing the oil myself. Anyone else with a new school Bimmer aware of this?

Test drive the Infinity FX. You'll love it. :D

Supposedly the elctronics can tell when the oil needs changing - but look what happens to our electronics on here, would you trust it :)

[Crankster]

You don't think the CPU in that sucka would pass prime eh? :lol:

[charlie]

I googled the new 2006 MB M-Class and it's NICE. It's STD V-6 packs 272hp and probably is NO dog. Hmmmm.... makes the equation a bit more difficult.

C

[Crow]

nice ride, but I like the porsche the most, all you need is some 24's on it :D

[Elisha]

What's strange is that the computer in my car will not alert me to go for an oil change until I hit the 12,000 mile mark (according to the readings for the oil change menu). I don't know if waiting 12,000 miles to change oil is such a good idea. If that alert doesn't set off by the time I hit 5,000 miles, I'm changing the oil myself. Anyone else with a new school Bimmer aware of this?

Test drive the Infinity FX. You'll love it. :D


12k sounds about right considering it may be using Mobil 1 Synthetic or Amsoil synthetic.
i use mobil 1 for my infiniti and at 10k she does not need changing yet.
but i have to say the parts for Infiniti are costly from the dealership.

[Bennah]

the audi RS4 as Zalakwe says is a great car... more of a car than a suv but damn they are fast and look beautiful for an estate car.

bmw X5's dont get one what ever you do... they cant hack anything off road even going over some soft grass or what not... and the X3, well dont get me started on that... it has horride looks and performs poorly on and off road.

porsche cayenne... its a stunning ride... looks great and performs very well but there is something about it that I dont like... maybe that when driving around in one you may get people assuming you are a posh, arrogant tw*t... to me they are designed and built for old men going to golf lol.

vw toureg... well, what a great off roader and cruising ride. it has more torque that anything else around. pulling power is just imense. it doesnt hang around long too. i heard the ride is good, not too much of a soft suspension so when going around a bend it aint gunner roll too much (you americans dont have bends anyways, do you ? :D)

the new disco (landrover discovery) the bold design of this ride appeals to me... the new looks of the 'square' back window and the front headlights, imo its a very nice looking ride. its a nice ride and performs good off road but it does weigh a ton. iirc is has a very powerfull jaguar engine... 4.5 litres I think, turbo charger or something.

a quote from Jeremy Clarkson a motoring journalist from over here, hes a legend btw ;) he said "using this engine in this new disco is like trying to move the moon out of orbit with a food blender motor" always remember that quote lol...

mercedes benz... well do go there. the m-class is poor. the look of it is the 'tired' benz look found on the e-class range, needs a good revamp. performance aint all there either... pretty poor suv.

thiking of other car manufacturers like toyota, lexus, nissan etc... nothing really comes to mind that really stands out.

range rover... the king of comfort in a suv, cant get any better luxury imo in an off roader... the 4.6l vogue's are pretty quick even though they weigh pretty much, but all about luxury and a comfy ride.

anyways after saying all that my top suv would be the vw toureg ;)

[Elisha]

i agree the Benz isn't much of an SUV. more for your soccer mom kinda ride.

[olfen]

just buy the G55 AMG

[conrad.maranan]

just buy the G55 AMG
I believe he stated his budget was around $50,000...not $100,000. ;)

[Bennah]

i agree the Benz isn't much of an SUV. more for your soccer mom kinda ride.

you get the gist ;) associating cars with who might drive them ;)

[mcnbns]

I'm partial to Volkswagen and not even able to drive, yet so take my advice with a grain of salt: the Touareg is a sweet looking car, and it has a really interesting engine if you can get the TDI version (diesel). I wouldn't rule it out if I were you, but anything but the diesel engine defeats the purpose of a Touareg.

[slightly related rant]I really resent the fact that people think Volkswagen is for people who are poor. They've actually turned themselves around that. They design very good and very reliable cars for at least upper middle class income buyers.[/slightly related rant]

[Crankster]

I'll second mcnbns notion and by that also state the same thing twice in this thread.
The toureg V10 diesel has to be the coolest suv out there for resonable money.
553 lbft of tourque. Yes.
308 bhp
2500 kilos of weight

Everything perfectly setup to kick some porche ass.

[eddy]

get the porsche.

[Elisha]

the VW is by no means a poor mans car. it hold up a very good resale value.

[charlie]

here's the new 2006 m-class... longer, wider and they say they've addressed the quality issues.
http://home.comcast.net/~anthoni6/ML001.jpg
C

[Rippthrough]

Yes, new M-class is supposed to be a huge leap above old one.

[Crankster]

Skiing there will destroy the skiis i'm sure.

[charlie]

Skiing there will destroy the skiis i'm sure.

hehehe... lmao

[Bennah]

to me the new m-class looks like the lexus counterpart a bit... me still doesnt like.

VW Toureg ;)

[conrad.maranan]

I'd still take an FX45 over an ML500. The FX45 puts out more horsepower and torque over the ML500 with 0.5L less displacement. It comes stock with dubs and features all-wheel drive. On top of that, it just looks like one hell of an aggressive G-series on steroids.

Feature-wise, you'll get a lot more out of the Infiniti for about $5,000 less. ;)

[H2OGun]

Charlie, go get that Porsche man. I envy you guys who live in US. That car costs around US$100-125K here. FYI, gasoline here costs US$6/gallon.

[Elisha]

Charlie, go get that Porsche man. I envy you guys who live in US. That car costs around US$100-125K here. FYI, gasoline here costs US$6/gallon.


where do you live?

[conrad.maranan]

FYI, gasoline here costs US$6/gallon.
:slobber:
We'll probably see $3.00 per gallon this summer in California, but $6.00 is insane.

[eddy]

they do that every year with the high gas prices in the summer.

Charlie, just get the porsche.

[Disposibleteen]

Skiing there will destroy the skiis i'm sure.
dont people go snowboarding in the sand dunes? I know for sure its dont at dunes in michigan as ive seen it done.

[pAGanO]

Was always under the impression that the Porsche Cayenne were available only with V8 and started about 60K USD.... so when shopping at mid-size LUX SUV's lately I have been looking at BMW x5, Infiniti FX, the Cad and the new Land Rover....the most I can hope to afford is like 500/mo Lease (40-45K range)...
SO then I discover the Cayenne V6, from 41K USD...
Unfortunately the Cayenne weighs in at a non-svelte 6600lb. or 3000kG for my European friends :D
The V6 weighs in at 247HP and 229 lb/ft of torque.
So the bottom line is.... can this thing get out of it's own way?

Pretty, isn't she?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26210

The V6 3.2 was make to increase the buyer in Europe. The V6 is a motor make from Audi.
If you want to drive a really Porsche at the less you buy the V8...
I advise you to drive the X5 4.4 or Volvo V6 turbo.
But, where do you go with this car?? City or all road??

Sorry for my very bad english.

[Elisha]

The V6 3.2 was make to increase the buyer in Europe. The V6 is a motor make from Audi.
If you want to drive a really Porsche at the less you buy the V8...


now this little piece of information might just turn this whole thread around. thanx for sharing.

[A_X]

http://www.compucars.co.uk/carpics/Lg27491-01.jpg

http://www.compucars.co.uk/carpics/Lg27491-02.jpg

http://www.compucars.co.uk/carpics/Lg27491-03.jpg

Obviously this is the way to go! :toast:


Dunno about the price in the US tho...

[Crankster]

In sweden gas is 1.5$ per litre. Diesel is a tad cheaper 1.3$ or something.
Thats why i don't have a license, just too pricy.

[conrad.maranan]

Any updates as to what you're leaning towards now? Or did you already pick up your new ride? :D

[charlie]

this weekend I'm gonna test drive:

cayenne
x5
525i

[conrad.maranan]

You're gonna love the 5 series. :D Get the Sport Package as well. Are you leaning towards automatic or manual tranny?

[Richie]

X5 for sure!, it puts out more power than the cayanne too,

although the cayanne is a sexy beast, tell us what you go for,

both good choices :)

[charlie]

You're gonna love the 5 series. :D Get the Sport Package as well. Are you leaning towards automatic or manual tranny?

it's a 51% wife-mobile.... so needs auto trans. I was afraid the 525 would be underpowered, but it SHOULD be ok. I kinda wanted suv, but have a thing for the new "5". Will check out fx-35, too...

C

[Crankster]

The 525i is the best car of them, if your not gonna go offroad with the car.

[Bra!nFreeZe^]

My dad has the touareg, and I gotta admit that I really love riding it, its a very nice ride! comfortable, fast, reliable and good looking! and it is the exact same chassie as the Porsche! my dad has the TDI and got it chipped, its fast as well :) I would go for that one

[conrad.maranan]

it's a 51% wife-mobile.... so needs auto trans. I was afraid the 525 would be underpowered, but it SHOULD be ok. I kinda wanted suv, but have a thing for the new "5". Will check out fx-35, too...

C
I'm in the same boat with my 530i. Actually, it's a 57% wife-mobile in my case since she's the pilot from Monday to Thursday. With the six-speed auto tranny, you also have the STEPTRONIC feature that allows you to manually upshift and downshift. It's a nice touch for those with gear-basher tendencies but the shift response is somewhat slow. At any rate, I only drive it in STEPTRONIC mode. I just wish it came with a clutch pedal. :D They also have a paddle shifter option for your steering wheel for some Formula 1 action. I'm not sure if it's available for the 525i, though.

Unless you step up to the 545i, acceleration isn't going to be too exciting. I sure wish we had the money for the 545i, though. I'm trying to talk my wife into allowing me to pick up some tuned headers, a bigger catalytic convertor, a free-flowing exhaust system, and an intake just to give me a false impression that 15 extra horses and higher decibels are making me move faster. :p:

If there's one thing I can appreciate about the 5, it's the handling. Aggressive, yet refined.

[Der_KHAN]

If you want to drive a really Porsche at the less you buy the V8..."real" porsches have 6cyl boxer engines :p:

[hollywood]

I feel compelled to say that the mere mention of "Porsche" and SUV in the same sentence makes me want to vomit...

That is all... :D

[Disposibleteen]

I feel compelled to say that the mere mention of "Porsche" and SUV in the same sentence makes me want to vomit...

That is all... :D
very true, it almost has the likness to ferrari making an suv :mad:

[Der_KHAN]

very true, it almost has the likness to ferrari making an suv :mad:lol yeah, or like lamborghini making a pickup! :lol:


...no, wait...

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/lamborghini/lamborghini_lm002_07802_0006_04_10_01.jpg

[Rippthrough]

Or a tractor perhaps?

[eddy]

I feel compelled to say that the mere mention of "Porsche" and SUV in the same sentence makes me want to vomit...

That is all... :D
I said the same thing when I first saw a Cayenne. That eventually changed and I want one when I get some extra money.

[Crankster]

Der_KHAN, that is the coolest lambo ever! A V12 in a pickup makes me almost pee myself.

[charlie]

I've seen those Lambo before... evil looking........

[Rippthrough]

Lets just say your not the one that backs up in narrow streets with one of those, no matter how many people are wanting to come the other way.

Lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ though.

[antipop]

The lambo is the ultimate oil eater, you have to carry a tanker behind you to fuel it!!!!

The X5 is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty, IMO. I've drove one for a long ride and it wasn't confortable and not very reliable (the AC broke down and there's other issue with it now)

The cayenne is looking nice, i love the design of the touareg and of the volvo

But from all the car posted the serie 5, really rocks and i would get this one. Or the new 3 that has just come out

[scrible88]

I looooove the Cayenne. A man in town has one and it is amazing. The engine just purrrrs. Its a V8 model though. Even if you get the 6 cylinder I don't think you can go wrong with the Cayenne.

[pAGanO]

"real" porsches have 6cyl boxer engines :p:

Ok, for a 911 (935 is the best!!)
But for a Cayenne the best motor is a V8 turbo...

[pAGanO]

lol yeah, or like lamborghini making a pickup! :lol:


...no, wait...

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/lamborghini/lamborghini_lm002_07802_0006_04_10_01.jpg

Great car, the first SUV over 200 km/h!!

[krampak]

There are so many Cayenne's and Toureg's here in catalonia! (spain). Two persons of my town (700 people) owns a cayenne turbo :D

[illmatik]

Has anyone seen the new Lexus Hybrid SUV on a road near you? I'm pretty curious about them. Even though they're puny specs by most standards, the linear acceleration before the gas motor kicks in is pretty impressive (RX400h does 0-60 in 7.3 seconds). Better for city/urban drivers w/ lots of stop and go (I'm in nyc, so there's lots of stop and g.. err stop.)
I nearly got whacked on my block by one of those prius hybrids the other day getting out of my car. I couldn't hear a thing. In silent cruising (<32mph) all I heard was the tires squeaking on the pavement when it went by, couldnt even hear the electric motor over the ambient street noise. Kinda cool. If I had the $$, I would drop it on the Lexus RX400h or GS450h in a second.

[illmatik]

But then again... theres nothing like the sound of a Porsche.. Lex hybrid w/ all the fun stuff is same price as cayenne S

[TheModWiki.org]

02 mustang gt with lots of mods

[Magnj]

fx 35AWD is sweeeeeeeeet

[jaawood]

I would also consider the 06 chevy trailblazer ss, packs a nice punch with 390 hp. It will stick right with that porsche!

[amduser]

Ok, for a 911 (935 is the best!!)
But for a Cayenne the best motor is a V8 turbo...

v10 tdi, but i won't comment way. first you have to drive a diesel, then you know way :slobber: .

mayby a dumb question, but way so many americans go for suv's? this think's are big, heavy and need much gazolin (*diesel*) and look awefull (*may opinion, never saw a good looking suv*). if you need to drive cross country, then get a jeep, a suv is much to expensiv for this and with alu rims cross country is ill ;) . if you need a ride which drives fast from a to b and has much room, buy audi a6 avant. the bmw looks not good (*my opinion*) and the e-klasse spend more time in repair then on street. as much i know, next year in usa will come better quaility diesel and i acutally would go then for a a6 avant 3.0TDI. that engines will survivie under normal circumstances the cars life :D . i have driven a long time a a6 2.5 tdi (c4) and it has gone 120k km's without major technical defects any if i would clean it, it would look like new. that car could only go up to 220, but this to fully load. a suv has not somethink near the comfort as a normal car with 200km/h...., but there must be a reason why peopel buy suv's. i don't get it.

http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/a6avant/a6a006.jpg

[Vandread]

Friend of mine drives a chiptuned Touareg V10TDI with 400hp and 1000nm :banana: And my god its an amazing machine, and that comes from a guy who drove in Subaru STI's and Vette's '05 etc :D
The pure POWER this thing has is just :woot:
But i dono about the price tag in the US
In Holland its about 100.000 euro's ;) (Holland is EXPENSIVE in cars and driving)
Just go and have a test drive.


but there must be a reason why peopel buy suv's. i don't get it.
*cough*compensation*cough*

[amduser]

holland is a nice country, cheep cars for germans :p: . germans don't have to pay high holland VAT (*26% or somethink like that*) but prettys low german (*16%*) and cause of the high hollandish vat real prices are lower then in germany.

[Patrickclouds]

i suggest the vw touareg.

it´s good looking, and you are the king on the road.
everybody turns arround an watchs you.

maybe i can convince you with these pics :toast:

http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/pics/touareg1.jpg

http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/pics/touareg2.jpg

http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/pics/touareg3.jpg

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[trance565]

imho, i would suggest the bmw, or infiniti, cuz the porche, every review u look at, it gets alot of bad notes, and very few good ones, plus the fx 35 and 45 look nicer, and same with the bmw, also, the mercedes, i dont like it to much, the whole card board box on wheels look doesnt seem good, anyways, go with the BMW!

[charlie]

Lotsa' great posts... you know I STILL haven't bought a new car... hehehe.

Every night I'm, watching SPIKETV or something with those AMAZING VIDEO programs and EVERY time I see a car crash and end up on it's roof it's an SUV... every time. I'd rather not end up on MY head, or my WIVES head if someone does something stupid. So we're pretty well agreed on a new 530i... with the possibility of a 330i if it's funner to drive and doesn't feel too small inside.

OH and we'll probably trade in BOTH of our cars and get the BMW AND a MiniCooper (errand runner)

C

[antipop]

Charlie you can't go wrong with a 530, best bmw car imho!
Anyway i'm personnaly going toward a 325 or a z4 but i have to make my calculus before. The audi A3 is also nice. I'm waiting to sign my first job contract before shopping for a car

[Bourne]

http://nlck.toyota.no/dokument/artikler/island04082001/11_8aa.jpg
So you want to go offroad?

LOL did you take this picture by yourself....I know this place Laugardallshöllinn....and that truck is part of Icelands resue opps :)

[computerpro3]

Charlie, Mercedes Benz invited all the local CEO's and other execs to an AMG road ralley and new M series showcase thats at 2:00 EST today. Our family is invited :D

Seeing as how were in the market for two cars, we'll be driving the M and the e55amg, and possibly some others. We get to take them out on a track and in a big empty parking lot with no salesman present and put them through their paces.

I can let you know how the benz is later on today, and IF they let us, take some pics.

[charlie]

Hehheheheeh...

After all these months of thinking and looking and test driving, blah, blah, blah!!

Well it look slike we're finally going to pull the trigger! Trying to decide between the Titanium Metallic and the Silver Metallic.

The Silver is a luxurious color, great for luxury cars... makes the car look big, highlights the lines nicely. However, since the Cayenne has aluminum body accents the Silver looks a little bit MONOCOLOR, but that's kinda' cool, too.

The Titanium color is great becasue it contrasts with the aluminum trin pieces and if you have aluminum roof rails and big fat 20-22" wheels it looks sweet. It may "cheapen" the look of the Cayenne, though... although it's a more "interesting" look with the contrast of colors and trim.

Whatcha' guys think?

some generic piccies, not the actual cars:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35618

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35619

And here's a Titanium Metallic car with the aluminum roof racks, and big 22" wheels...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35620

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35621

[Der_KHAN]

titanium metallic looks nice. does it have a little blue in it or is that my monitor? :D

also the roof racks are a big plus to the looks of the car

what engine are u gonna choose?

[eddy]

good choice charlie.
As long as it's not a dark color. The dark color cayennes look like they are dirty even after they are washed. Keep the rims shiny too.
And yes, roof racks please.

[charlie]

Yes, Der Khan... in both pictures it DOES appear to have a bit of blue. Probably a bit of reflection from the sky. And as far as engine, lol I can only AFFORD the V6!! The difference is close to $15K USD... to go to the 4.5l V8 and $40K USD to get the Turbo. So I will have to make due with 247bHp.

And yes, with the Titanium the aluminum accents are very critical and the roof rails are sweet.

Eddy, black cars look SWEET for the first ten minutes after you wash them, lol... and the dark blue probably wouldn't be much better.
You like those 22" wheels?? Wonder what the young people call them... if DUBS are 20's... what are 22" wheels DUB-A-DUBS?? lol...

C

[diabloII]

You like those 22" wheels?? Wonder what the young people call them... if DUBS are 20's... what are 22" wheels DUB-A-DUBS?? lol...

C


:rolleyes: lol, dub-a-dubs :D

i think the latter 2 looks better b/c of the greater contrast

[antipop]

I like the first one but i seem to be the only one.

You should get it bright orange :D

[diabloII]

You should get it bright orange :D

dunno if charlie would like orange, but my neighbor has an Orange Inifiniti FX-45 and it looks sweet

[charlie]

Porsche doesn't make orange. Just the usual white to black, greys to silver, the gold, the green, the dark red and the couple shades of blue.

C

[fatfreepork]

did you give the FX-45 a shot?

[charlie]

did you give the FX-45 a shot?

Yeah, let me tell you about the FX, they're REALLY nice. They're high quality drive nice and the FX45 hauls a**. BUT, I want the Porsche... well... because it's a Porsche. I like the looks and the cache'. In one hour at lunchtime I'll see 6 BMW x5, 6 MB ML's, 3 FX's and a couple Land Rovers... I may see ONE Cayenne per month. Interestingly enough, it has REAL off-road prowess, big features and some hardcore technology.

C

[eddy]

You might want to check with them about the color. I think I read somewhere on their site that they could paint it whatever color you want. You just have to ask.

The black Cayennes are ok. It's the blue ones I've seen. I've seen a lot of them too and for some reason, they never look clean. Especially the rims.

[Vapor]

Charlie...22"s are called Dub-twos...LOL at dub-a-dubs though, very funny.

I know what you're saying about having a Porsche...IDK which one I'd get, most of the cars I get (or think of getting, or tell my parents to get, or tell my grandparents to get, etc...I only have one car) I make sure will be worth more than they are now in 30 years, not sure if any SUV can do that. I've got a thing about cars lasting...the car I have now is older than I am (it's 20) and I got an offer for it about a month ago for more than the original price.

I think I'd go for the FX-45 (all 1.6GHz worth :D) as Cayennes are a lot more common around here it seems and the FX is flashier.

If you do go the Cayenne route, get the Titanium color....much sleeker.

[fatfreepork]

I think I'd go for the FX-45 (all 1.6GHz worth :D) as Cayennes are a lot more common around here it seems and the FX is flashier.


Overclock it! (bore and stroke) :D

[JasonDTM]

Porsche doesn't make orange. Just the usual white to black, greys to silver, the gold, the green, the dark red and the couple shades of blue.

C


Tangerine is the closes colour you'd get, but I doubt its available anymore.


--Edit... Oh and I'd shoot for the Porsche, properly maintained, they will run forever, the german marque I grew up loving so dearly. :)

[antipop]

I was kidding about orange, actually it might look ice at first but you get easily bored of it after a while. Black is nice but it's a pain to keep it clean and shiny, you touch it and it marks.
Porsche are great dream car, it's not ferrari but i like the look better. It blends more easily into the city. The two car i'd love to buy are the Porsche 911 and the Maserati. Oh and throw a nice bentley flying spur in the lot (a living room moving at 300kmh)

Otherwise, have you seen gas prices? ;)

[JasonDTM]

Atleast they get over 20mpg. :cool:

[antipop]

Atleast they get over 20mpg. :cool:
Is that good? In europe we count in liter per 100 km (the other way around, don't ask why). The lowest the better, a serie 3 is around 7-8l/ 100 km in the city and small VW is like 6, a big car is 10 or more.

[eddy]

did you give the FX-45 a shot?
Aren't the FX's only Nissan Muranos on steroids?

[Unoid]

get the turbo's cayene version, its the fastest :)

[amduser]

Is that good? In europe we count in liter per 100 km (the other way around, don't ask why). The lowest the better, a serie 3 is around 7-8l/ 100 km in the city and small VW is like 6, a big car is 10 or more.

big cars in city waste like freaking 20-30L/100km. thats not nice (*in europe (*specialy in germany*) gasolin is way more expensive then in usa (*1.21€/l for super and 1.09€/l for diesel, don't know how much it would be in usa, but it is that much that peopel who never where in europe wouldn't believe*) and the reason why peopel in europe buy diesel cars. a diesel big diesel engine will need 10-15l/100km and a big gasolin engine needs like 20-30l/100km. that the reason why diesel is nice :D . as much i know in usa there already should be posiblity to get clean diesel and turbo diesel eninges are real nice stuff. the vw tourag v6 3L diesel engine has 225 horsepower and 500nm!!! torsional. if you drive much this is realy nice stuff, otherwise taxes will be to high for this car i think. don't know actually how this is in usa, but as much i know gasolin and diesel engines have the theme norm which could make it pretty expensive. when you drive much in the city and diesel is to expenive (*i don't know, don't life in usa anyway*) a lexus rx 400h might be an alternative. needs only like 7l/100km in the city as much i know. is anyway a hybrid. if you want to drive porsche, then go for the cayenne, but believe me. i see more cayenne then tourags in germany or poland (*however people in poland have many for this kind of cars, i don't get it*). ok, in germany there not much suv's anyway.

[antipop]

Or you could just get a nice sedan an you would be under the 10l/100km :D

[amduser]

and what ist a sedan?

[antipop]

Something like a Serie 3, that kind of car. I don't think that in a normal city use, you go over 10l/100km (i might be wrong)
Anyway, my motto is "if it's empty fill it"

[amduser]

serie3, can't you just show a pic or somethink like that. or brand at least. serie 3 sounds like golf 3, but don't think you mean this car.

[antipop]

no i mean the BMW serie 3
http://www.bmw.com/generic/fr/fr/products/automobiles/showroom/3series/sedan_2005/_img/introduction_front.jpg

[amduser]

ah ok. those cars are small. normaly to small if you want to buy a suv. actually a serie 5 touring would be big enough anyway. too it is saver then a suv. and actually those serie3 stuff cars will take more then 10l/100km with a proper engine (*not the show-off 318i version*) if you don'T take a diesel. with a 330d it would have enough power too, but why on earth aree they called sedan. never heard this an normaly it is a number with e. the old serie 3 hat e42 as much i know.

[antipop]

Sedan is the name of the category, a car with 4 doors and a trunk is a sedan.
The serie 3 uses less than 10l/100km, the 320 is around 7-8. Anyway it wasn't my point to compare a suv to a sedan, and even less bmw vs porsche (unless we're talking about a M6)

[charlie]

the new car's pretty cool, been driving it for a few months now. Now need to OC it with wheels, tires, body kit, etc, etc...

[JasonDTM]

^^^ if anything get champion 20's and some gemballa body pieces for that. :)

http://www.gemballa.com/

http://www.championmotorsport.com/

[eddy]

that's the one you got charlie?

sorry. i dislike Cayennes without the roof rack, or as they call it on the Porsche website, the roof carrying system.

There's a sunroof too?

You definately need new wheels. The ones on there look like they're always dirty.

Good luck with it.

[bullet2urbrain]

yeah def. get some wheels for that ride.. love the car but def. needs some wheels.

Nice Choice Charlie glad your happy with it

[charlie]

that's the one you got charlie?

sorry. i dislike Cayennes without the roof rack, or as they call it on the Porsche website, the roof carrying system.

There's a sunroof too?

You definately need new wheels. The ones on there look like they're always dirty.

Good luck with it.

yeah that's it in front of my office. my short list for mods is:

1) Roof Rails in Aluminum finish

2) Clear Side Marker Lenses

3) Porsche Tequipment Aluminum Grill Inserts

4) H&R Racing springs 1.6" Drop

5) Wheels/Tires... not sure what brand, maybe THESE:

[charlie]

courtesy of Cooper in the Photochop forum!!

What do you guys think? I think I'll order them on Monday, 22" Kahn RSC Monoblocks!!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=44006&stc=1&d=1140954179

[eddy]

no.
first
Cayenne's aren't big, so, to me, putting 22s on them ruins the whole thing.
second
the color of the Cayenne. why not black? fancy shiny rims don't look good on cars that aren't black or almost any other dark colors.

[charlie]

wife vetoed black... nuff' said. Black was my first choice. It was either a non-black cAYENNE or a lexus rx330 in white, lol you know what I mean?

[conrad.maranan]

Slap some Lowenharts (http://www.racinghart.com/wheels_low.asp) on that puppy. :cool: I'm not sure how much they cost nowadays, but I dropped $4,000 on chrome 19" LD1s (without tires) for my Maxima when they first came out. If the X1Rs came in a chrome 20", that would look pretty sweet on your Cayenne. :up:

[eddy]

wife vetoed black... nuff' said. Black was my first choice. It was either a non-black cAYENNE or a lexus rx330 in white, lol you know what I mean?Well ok fine a lexus or a porsche. Smart choice there. But why not red or even blue?


Slap some Lowenharts (http://www.racinghart.com/wheels_low.asp) on that puppy. :cool: I'm not sure how much they cost nowadays, but I dropped $4,000 on chrome 19" LD1s (without tires) for my Maxima when they first came out. If the X1Rs came in a chrome 20", that would look pretty sweet on your Cayenne. :up:
:toast: Exactly what I thought about the X1Rs. Either those or the BR5s

[charlie]

Well ok fine a lexus or a porsche. Smart choice there. But why not red or even blue?


:toast: Exactly what I thought about the X1Rs. Either those or the BR5s

yeah I know what you mean. Well they had a carmon red car, bu that's a deep red that honestly looks brown in most light other than bright sun, and they had a dark blue that wasn't optioned right... and the prosecco was the one on the lot at the time and he made me a great deal. Plus I like the color, pictures just don't do justice to the color.

C

[eddy]

I know what the color looks like.
But please, no 22s and make sure they aren't too shiny. That'll just ruin it.

[d94]

thats a very sexi porsche :D

[ToxicBug]

I am parttial to the Lexus rx330s myself, consumer reports rates this porsche as a very bad buy, they say reliability is crappy and the dealer charges too much for repairs/maintenence
The RX330 is ok for an SUV but its so slow...

[zabomb4163]

why hasnt anyone mentioned the M-class mercedes? that thing has a VERY good drive train. i've been out on the test track with it. A single wheel will pull the car up a 60 degree slope. (rollers on the slope so 3 of the wheels dont get traction)

The car can also go down the 60 degree slope with only a single wheel braking. the electronics are top of the line. bar none.
http://www.forbesautos.com/reviews/2006/mercedes_benz/m_class/feature.html

If you guys want to know anything about it's design ask me. i talk to lead engineers for the car almost every day.

"Don't give in to the sportier BMW X5, either. If you need more handling than the M-Class offers, buy a conventional sedan."
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0506_2006_mercedes_benz_m_class/index2.html


http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/sport-utility-vehicles/mercedes-benz/m-class/2006/index.html
"The seven-speed automatic offers a manual-shift mode and is one of the strongest and most flexible automatics ever built.

The completely revised suspension is very good at keeping the truck's attitude nice and flat in high-speed corners, and it will hop over rocks and dip into potholes as though they weren't really there. The AirMatic air suspension system we drove in France, which will be optional on U.S. models, is downright supple, which trucks aren't supposed to be."



*edit* forgot to mention the speed. I have personally driven the car at 155MPH for an hour straight on the interstate. it rides comfortably at high speeds.


TEST DRIVE IT!!!! they are selling them so quickly that suppliers are having a very difficult time meeting demand. I.e they expected to sell 10-15 per day to japan but they are selling 150+ per day now. (suppliers of right side :banana::banana::banana::banana:pit parts were not happy). Factory runs 24/7 364 days a year. thats almost 50,000 M-class's going to right side steering wheel markets alone.

[charlie]

why hasnt anyone mentioned the M-class mercedes? that thing has a VERY good drive train. i've been out on the test track with it. A single wheel will pull the car up a 60 degree slope. (rollers on the slope so 3 of the wheels dont get traction)

The car can also go down the 60 degree slope with only a single wheel braking. the electronics are top of the line. bar none.
http://www.forbesautos.com/reviews/2006/mercedes_benz/m_class/feature.html

If you guys want to know anything about it's design ask me. i talk to lead engineers for the car almost every day.

"Don't give in to the sportier BMW X5, either. If you need more handling than the M-Class offers, buy a conventional sedan."
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0506_2006_mercedes_benz_m_class/index2.html


http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/sport-utility-vehicles/mercedes-benz/m-class/2006/index.html
"The seven-speed automatic offers a manual-shift mode and is one of the strongest and most flexible automatics ever built.

The completely revised suspension is very good at keeping the truck's attitude nice and flat in high-speed corners, and it will hop over rocks and dip into potholes as though they weren't really there. The AirMatic air suspension system we drove in France, which will be optional on U.S. models, is downright supple, which trucks aren't supposed to be."



*edit* forgot to mention the speed. I have personally driven the car at 155MPH for an hour straight on the interstate. it rides comfortably at high speeds.


TEST DRIVE IT!!!! they are selling them so quickly that suppliers are having a very difficult time meeting demand. I.e they expected to sell 10-15 per day to japan but they are selling 150+ per day now. (suppliers of right side :banana::banana::banana::banana:pit parts were not happy). Factory runs 24/7 364 days a year. thats almost 50,000 M-class's going to right side steering wheel markets alone.

I actually test drove a new ml350... it felt "tippy" and a little "floaty"... not my cup of tea.

C

[zabomb4163]

I actually test drove a new ml350... it felt "tippy" and a little "floaty"... not my cup of tea.

C

2006 model?

[Newbie_User]

So, we have :

45.000 USD price range
AWD
SAV ? (or SUV??) category

Brands and models :

Versatile cars (pretty much outperform anything on both offraod and onroad ;)
Similar (same chassis and engine)
Porsche Cayenne (V6 250 hp's and 229 ibs)
VW Touareg (starting from 37.410 $ ;) (V6 240 hp's and 228 ibs)

Best peformer on road :
BMW X5 3.0 from 42.500 $
(old definiton of the engine : 6 cyl. 231 hp's (europe) and 225 (US)..)
Up to date, this engine roars out 258 hp's on later models
BMW engine sound :)

Best reliable car :
Lexus RX 400h ECVT starting from 46.755 $ (hybrid technology.....this rocks...outperforms a V8 @ same combined power....) and clean tech ;)

Others, well there is Volvo, quite good but not my choice :

XC90 : (starting from 36.075 $) (FWD...and 2.5 l 5 cyl. engine...same as XC70)
(XC90 V8 AWD : starting from 46.400$ and 311 hp's and 325 ib :)

XC70 : (from 36.135 $) (AWD 2.5 liters turbocharged 5 cyl. engine..208 hp's and 236 ib)

Others, i'm open to suggestions....

Godd Luck Charlie

[eddy]

When you get down to how much money you want to spend, you have to be crazy to buy a Lexus RX400h. Unless you drive maybe 50k miles a year, it's a terrible investment.

[Newbie_User]

@ eddy :
Well....if i had 45.000 $ to spend.....

I would go for the RX 400h...

Why..because i'm a tech addict....and those cars are reliable...
I think it's the way we're used to drive....with petrol..it's simple...stick the key in the column...push...and kick the pedal....anytime...everyday....

With RX 400h (from a magazine road test), there is pleasure AND respect (that's a ecologically friendly car..)

I'd appreciate to run silent during a traffic jam....no sound...no pollution...
and i would aprreciate the kick of the electric engine...when he helps to push the engine....

There is, however, one drawback,...as the CVT gearbox gives the impression that the engine is on the same rpm everytime (it's not beautiful and not very cool....)

What were you thinking when refering to a terrible investment ??

i might be interested caus' this could aplly to all hybrids......

[Vapor]

How's this for another reason to avoid it?

It's buggy and can't get up hills from a stand still :fact:

Not only that, but MANY owners are reporting actual fuel consumption some 50% lower than EPA with the A/C turned on.

Hybrids have yet to impress me on a totalitarian front....there isn't a hybrid out there that can maintain 'normal' levels of overall performance and have an improvement on the gas used. Fact is that they are also less safe for other drivers and rescue workers (more mass on impact and a massive electrocution risk) and are still largely an unproven technology on the longevity front (not to mention disposal!).

The RX400h is the first good looking hybrid (the Prius is ugly and the Civic has way too many aero-minded changes and the Escape has a dated look anyway).

They only seem to be a giant bumper sticker saying "I care more about the environment than you"

....and the technology *cannot* be widely adapted as a long-term solution to fuel usage. I won't get into that though....


I'd like to say congrats to Charlie on his new Porsche....such a great vehicle you've got there man, can't wait till you get the new wheels, it'll really make it sizzle :)

[eddy]

@ eddy :
Well....if i had 45.000 $ to spend.....

I would go for the RX 400h...

Why..because i'm a tech addict....and those cars are reliable...
I think it's the way we're used to drive....with petrol..it's simple...stick the key in the column...push...and kick the pedal....anytime...everyday....

With RX 400h (from a magazine road test), there is pleasure AND respect (that's a ecologically friendly car..)

I'd appreciate to run silent during a traffic jam....no sound...no pollution...
and i would aprreciate the kick of the electric engine...when he helps to push the engine....

There is, however, one drawback,...as the CVT gearbox gives the impression that the engine is on the same rpm everytime (it's not beautiful and not very cool....)

What were you thinking when refering to a terrible investment ??

i might be interested caus' this could aplly to all hybrids......First, thank you. My next 30 minute project. I'll find out how many miles a year you have to drive so that you save money by buying a hybrid. I'll use the rx400 and rx400h for obvious reasons.
They are terrible investments for most people because they cost more to begin with and it takes maybe 5 to 10 years (depending on how much you drive) before you start saving money by using less gas.

I'll even ask for your help so we can have no disagreement with numbers used. What I need from you is a website that has specs from both vehicles. The standard RX400 and the hybrid version. Have the price there, miles per gallon (highway or city - your choice), and approximate price of gas in the area you live in, and how many miles you drive a year.

[amduser]

The RX400h is the first good looking hybrid (the Prius is ugly and the Civic has way too many aero-minded changes and the Escape has a dated look anyway).

the first good looking hyrid was anyway a audi duo. the car was based on a a4 and avaible in the late 90th's, but actually no one did buy them, so audi canceled the production ...

ps. the car had no major technical problemes anyway. i think, especial the japanese version of hyprid cars should not have big technical problemes, because japanese cars are anyway famous for beeing reliable.

[Patrickclouds]

the vw touareg has a new engine
3,6l with 280hp and coasts 46.200 euro
take a look to the german homepage and the car configurator
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/touareg/ausstattungslinien/touareg_v6.html

but at the moment i would recommend the new audi q7.
i had the chance for a test drive and i was very impressed.
it is nearly as expensive as the vw touareg and is on a higher technical level (mmi system, bluetooth mobile phone connection, side assist.....)

[charlie]

I'd like to say congrats to Charlie on his new Porsche....such a great vehicle you've got there man, can't wait till you get the new wheels, it'll really make it sizzle :)

thx... I decided on 20's... I figured 22's on a daily driven SUV is a bit silly.

[MaxxxRacer]

charlie, the Cayenne begs to be dropped. the first pictures I ever saw of it was a spy photo from R&T of a track prepped Cayenne tha was slammed. It looked WAY better than any other Cayenne Ive seen since. That car just looks silly at stock ride height.

Tis a shame you couldnt get the V8... its a monster from what I hear.

[Vapor]

Yeah, I've seen those pics as well and love the look....but 20s + a lowered ride height is gonna get rough on his ass unless he gets an uber-expensive suspension upgrade (like more than enough to bump him up to the V8).

Anyway, as great as I've also heard the V8 is, I've ridden in a Cayenne that had the V6 and the V6 has a surprising amount of pep (well, I was surprised considering the heft of the ute).

[charlie]

Yeah, I've seen those pics as well and love the look....but 20s + a lowered ride height is gonna get rough on his ass unless he gets an uber-expensive suspension upgrade (like more than enough to bump him up to the V8).

Anyway, as great as I've also heard the V8 is, I've ridden in a Cayenne that had the V6 and the V6 has a surprising amount of pep (well, I was surprised considering the heft of the ute).

Yeah, it goes pretty good once it gets going... if you're on an onramp doing 35-45 and you go WOT, you're doing 75+ pretty quickly.

[Vapor]

Yeah....my buddy, who was driving his dad's, was going 35 at the beginning of an onramp and by the end of it had to slow down to 70 or so to merge and stay under the speedlimit (radar detector was going off). Definitely enough power to get you where you're going in a hurry and feel like it.