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sxs112
03-03-2005, 10:54 PM
http://img15.exs.cx/img15/2184/12719nz.jpg
present CPUZ is unable to distinguish its edition (the PR value to distinguish wrongly).. But this section CPU supports the SEE3 estimate is 0.09 system regulation

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/3720/12723hy.jpg
quickly takes the news. L2 to use the 1MB design

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/9527/12735rd.jpg
at present uses SAMPLE..

http://img15.exs.cx/img15/7005/pi19mw.jpg
TEST

The test provides
AMD 4200+
XXXXX
512MB*2 to run DDR 400 1T
Hitachi 80G SATA hard disk
GF-5750/128MB

Thank andyhuang0308 to provide the news...

Digital-info Soucre (http://www.digital-info.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=2635)

STEvil
03-03-2005, 11:01 PM
thats pretty quick for that clock, looks good!

=[PULSAR]=
03-03-2005, 11:03 PM
On the AMD RoadMap (http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/) that looks to be a 4000+ Venice Core ;)

2.6Ghz on stock volts looks like were gettin back to the good old days when Winnie's clocked high :D

OC Detective
03-03-2005, 11:06 PM
It has 1Mb of L2 cache so seems like it is a multi crippled 90nm FX55

=[PULSAR]=
03-03-2005, 11:11 PM
Correction it may be a San Diego core :)

Gitsum
03-03-2005, 11:19 PM
Where did it come from?

conrad.maranan
03-03-2005, 11:23 PM
Where did it come from?
That's what I wanna know.

STEvil
03-03-2005, 11:30 PM
I want one :D

=[PULSAR]=
03-03-2005, 11:36 PM
Anyone from XS ever thought of organize a bulk order for chips or cards?

Tirlista
03-03-2005, 11:42 PM
Very nice. Just like everyone, I'll be keen to see how they clock and scale with better cooling and voltage.

Definitely fast times for that clock. My 3200 winnie can do 32s running at ~250x10 with GSkill LEs, so that CPU looks very promising!

texuspete00
03-03-2005, 11:42 PM
It has 1Mb of L2 cache so seems like it is a multi crippled 90nm FX55

I don't mind. Glad to see more 1mb chips. Other than clockspeed and die size wise.... AMD has done nothing to improve A64's. In fact, they have enjoyed the perceived performance lead on intel and done everything to cripple them besides a few clockrate bumps. They want us all to buy 512kb cache chips and now semprons are getting mixed 256->128kb. Anyways... a nice claw from eons ago gives new cpus a run for their money. However small 2mb cache is for P4's, at least their improving thier cpu line. When this die switch is successful I want 1mb cache again... f' it give the FX more.

Geforce4ti4200
03-04-2005, 12:36 AM
Id like to see how high this diego 4200+(multi locked 90nm fx55 basically) overclocks! This I want to see more than anything else.

eva2000
03-04-2005, 12:41 AM
love to see the improved mem controller in action i.e.

4x 256MB @>DDR400 1T
4x 512MB @ >DDR400 1T

Mikael
03-04-2005, 12:42 AM
Looks nice! I wonder, though, what's the stock performance of an FX-55 in SuperPi (I probably should know this...)?

Geforce4ti4200
03-04-2005, 12:51 AM
Looks nice! I wonder, though, what's the stock performance of an FX-55 in SuperPi (I probably should know this...)?


not sure but I hit 34s with my winny at only 2.4GHz so I really hope that 4200+ hits 30s at 2.6GHz cause of the cache. As for ondie controller, I hope this and Venice are capable of over 300fsb easy even with 2x512mb sticks, I can only hit 262 with my winny :stick:

sxs112
03-04-2005, 12:58 AM
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/6922/32m5ai.jpg
PI 32M

Mikael
03-04-2005, 01:00 AM
Thanks, but we need something more than SuperPi results! I'm so eager to se if there will be any performance advantage compared to the older revisions. Something tells me that SuperPi isn't going to show much of these supposed advantages...

conrad.maranan
03-04-2005, 01:06 AM
Here's a Newcastle 3500+ at 10x261MHz with 2x512MB of VX running 1:1 2-2-2-10-1T. Let's see how much of a difference tweaking your memory will do with the same CPU clocks. I'd also appreciate seeing a few other types of benching apps put to use as well. :)

http://webpages.charter.net/conrad-digital/3500VX/261pitests.png

Arseface
03-04-2005, 01:07 AM
Thanks, but we need something more than SuperPi results! I'm so eager to se if there will be any performance advantage compared to the older revisions. Something tells me that SuperPi isn't going to show much of these supposed advantages...

Like...

Geforce4ti4200
03-04-2005, 01:08 AM
who owns this diego cpu? why hasnt he overclocked it yet! thats the big thing everyone is waiting for, has amd's new process allowed for higher clocks vs. 130nm?


"Like..."

overclock the cpu as far as itll go and run a whole suite of benchmarks including 3dmark 2001 :slobber:

Mikael
03-04-2005, 01:14 AM
Like...
:p: The SuperPI phenomenon is so widely spread that people seem to think it's the only performance measure that matters anymore!

Well, I could list a few programs that I personally find more interesting:

Hexus Pifast
WinRAR
ScienceMark
Lame encoding
Maybe even a run of PCMark04

There's nothing wrong with SuperPi, but I don't think that it alone can be used to tell very much about a CPU. I guess I'll get the whole community on my back now...

Arseface
03-04-2005, 02:19 AM
Sorry - I didn't mean to sound like a tool!

I just wondered what people thought were better CPU tests than super-pi, as it is the one thing I would have thought of immediately to test the CPU (rather than the system as a whole).


But yeah - I really want to see how the venice/san-diego cores overclock! I've got a crappy clocking FX here sitting on phase change at only 3Ghz, and I'm looking at getting a 90nm FX55 if they clock as well as I'm hoping they will!

REDKEN
03-04-2005, 03:15 AM
More input..more input!

VVJ
03-04-2005, 04:39 AM
present CPUZ is unable to distinguish its edition (the PR value to distinguish wrongly)
sxs112, Just current BIOS version incorrectly calculates a model number, cpu-z copies it.

Zyklon5
03-04-2005, 05:07 AM
we want oc input :D a nice comparison alongside with a FX55 ClawHammer Vs. 4200+ SanDiego.

Magnj
03-04-2005, 05:21 AM
Looks sweet


=']Anyone from XS ever thought of organize a bulk order for chips or cards?

I second this

Brandybuck
03-04-2005, 05:23 AM
i think its o/c capacity is better than fx 55:toast:

Nube
03-04-2005, 05:32 AM
My winnie @ 2600mhz pr rating is 4150+... i get 32s superpi 1m also..
only 1.5v

they extra 1mb cache doesnt make much of a difference in superpi i guess, but it should overclock :)

Boogotop
03-04-2005, 05:35 AM
My winnie @ 2600mhz pr rating is 4150+... i get 32s superpi 1m also..
only 1.5v

they extra 1mb cache doesnt make much of a difference in superpi i guess, but it should overclock :)

but on the 2k1 it's make a huge difference!!

$0m#0n#
03-04-2005, 05:43 AM
but on the 2k1 it's make a huge difference!!yea, it's like +2k in 01, I imagine how every¹ here has it in 3 monthes @3Ghz boxed ;D

Arseface
03-04-2005, 05:58 AM
i think its o/c capacity is better than fx 55:toast:

:confused:

What are you basing this on? Do you own one as well, or it just speculation?

Super Nade
03-04-2005, 06:40 AM
Mate,

Where did you buy your CPU?

Can we have more pics, of the CPU itself?

OC Detective
03-04-2005, 06:57 AM
These are likely engineering samples you dont buy them when they are first issued out for field testing you are merely lucky enough to receive one to test.

Arseface
03-04-2005, 07:02 AM
These are likely engineering samples you dont buy them when they are first issued out for field testing you are merely lucky enough to receive one to test.

Then question, then, should be "How did you get hold of one without having to sign an NDA"?

Stewie007
03-04-2005, 07:11 AM
I'm saving up my money hehe....

=[PULSAR]=
03-04-2005, 08:57 AM
I think alot of people are missing the point of the 1MB of cache. Everyone is posting screenies at 2.6ghz and 32s 1M, what everyone is forgettin is the ram on the 4200+ is running at 200mhz. Everyone posting 32s is atleast a 250mhz and tight timings.

austinbmxnig
03-04-2005, 09:16 AM
yeah i think it has the potential to kick alot of ass

J-Mag
03-04-2005, 09:17 AM
they extra 1mb cache doesnt make much of a difference in superpi i guess, but it should overclock :)

Why would you think a 1mb cache would help overclock?

In my mind the more transistors you have on a chip the LESS ability it will have to overclock because there is more likelihood that one of thoose transistors can't take the strain of increased speed.

Chr0n1c
03-04-2005, 09:25 AM
:eek: Looks very nice, I wonder what it will cost.

nebuchanezzar
03-04-2005, 09:25 AM
I'm happy to see teh 1m cache. thats basically worth an extra 1 or 2 hundred mhz in effect, thats how it affects 3dmark01 so much. Thats why clawhammers are rated the same P ratings as newcastles 200mhz lower in actual clock speed. That new core kicked 32 seconds...stock. That should leave lotsa room for improvement(we all hope)

UCmajewski
03-04-2005, 09:26 AM
so i guess its safe to assume that the FX 57 is coming out soon!

blueworm
03-04-2005, 09:30 AM
If a 4200+ is surfacing this could only mean that its release is imminent. This said I cant see the 4200+ bieng around at the same time as FX55.
IIRC the 4000+ was not released until FX55 came out.
Perhaps they will release 4200+ and FX57 before Q3.
See Roadmap. ( http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2303)

WiCKeD
03-04-2005, 09:37 AM
If a 4200+ is surfacing this could only mean that its release is imminent. This said I cant see the 4200+ bieng around at the same time as FX55.
IIRC the 4000+ was not released until FX55 came out.
Perhaps they will release 4200+ and FX57 before Q3.
See Roadmap. ( http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2303)Tim on EOCF said the retailer he was purchasing from said it would be due out in Q2 if not this quarter! Checkitout: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=159500

Sup3rman
03-04-2005, 09:45 AM
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/6922/32m5ai.jpg
PI 32M
I would like to see your memory timing? Also can you run a bench at 9, 10, or 11 multiple so I can compare to my winchester clock for clock?

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-04-2005, 09:47 AM
Mate,

Where did you buy your CPU?
Can we have more pics, of the CPU itself?

:D Maybe a gift from outerspace.............. :p:

:toast:

blueworm
03-04-2005, 09:48 AM
The plot thickens.
BTW what is the difference between "Venice" and SanDiego" core's?
I imagine its simply "venice" 512Kb L2 cache, and "SanDiego" 1024Kb L2! But is there anything else?

Arseface
03-04-2005, 09:55 AM
The plot thickens.
BTW what is the difference between "Venice" and SanDiego" core's?
I imagine its simply "venice" 512Kb L2 cache, and "SanDiego" 1024Kb L2! But is there anything else?

As far as I know, that's about it :)

Arseface
03-04-2005, 09:56 AM
Sse3.

They both have SSE3 though, don't they?!

drcrawn
03-04-2005, 09:57 AM
who owns this diego cpu? why hasnt he overclocked it yet! thats the big thing everyone is waiting for, has amd's new process allowed for higher clocks vs. 130nm?


"Like..."

overclock the cpu as far as itll go and run a whole suite of benchmarks including 3dmark 2001 :slobber:


Yes, that's what I want to see too. 32 seconds is pretty quick for 200x13 even with 1mb L2. No mention of SSE2 patch or not on this SuperPi.

This is pretty cool nonetheless. Whoever is playing with this chip, can you overclock it please for us? :toast:

2.6ghz @1.4v though, wow.

Sup3rman: I'm sure the chip is multi locked at 13, so you probably wont be seeing 9x, 10x, and 11x runs.

Kanavit
03-04-2005, 10:00 AM
omg that is awesome!

ozzimark
03-04-2005, 10:28 AM
Sup3rman: I'm sure the chip is multi locked at 13, so you probably wont be seeing 9x, 10x, and 11x runs.
why would amd suddenly start locking the downward multi's on their chips? i think it's still unlocked below stock for cool&quiet to work :toast:

jasonkruys
03-04-2005, 10:32 AM
In case anyone is still interested.....Superpi when my system was at stock was 32secs

ozzimark
03-04-2005, 10:39 AM
that's pretty good.. how's the overclocking going?

$0m#0n#
03-04-2005, 10:47 AM
Sup3rman: I'm sure the chip is multi locked at 13, so you probably wont be seeing 9x, 10x, and 11x runs.why 'd they do it? No reason.

situman
03-04-2005, 10:51 AM
he seem to be missing from this thread after the two posts.

Geforce4ti4200
03-04-2005, 12:01 PM
no word from him? this sucks and I now dont believe he even has a 4200+ :mad: otherwise he would have oced by now and activately posting

Paxi
03-04-2005, 12:05 PM
looks quite nice, put this baby under phase or water cooling to get some oc results

xgman
03-04-2005, 12:15 PM
the guy posts this and then disapears. something don't smell right.

trecca
03-04-2005, 12:23 PM
wow good cpu :slobber:

bxa121
03-04-2005, 12:29 PM
wow good cpu :slobber:

or maybe damaged goods... :rolleyes:

NiCKE^
03-04-2005, 12:44 PM
I think he is from Taiwan.
http://www.digital-info.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=2635


That heatspreader looks wierd.

MaxxxRacer
03-04-2005, 12:56 PM
that is an intel chip in the second link man... 775 chiips all look like that

lol

this chip looks very promising.. any word when it will hit retail?

and get us some OCing shots

Revv23
03-04-2005, 01:35 PM
32 at 200x13? damn, sounds like the cache got some latency improvments as well :)

bimmer01
03-04-2005, 01:46 PM
why does the chip name say 2200+?

Revv23
03-04-2005, 01:48 PM
Bios cant read 4200+...as said in this thread

Sentential
03-04-2005, 01:50 PM
What's the max clocks. Dont give a damn about stock benches. FIRE THAT :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: UP! :banana4:

TheJackal
03-04-2005, 01:57 PM
*vader voice* Impressive

I would like to see how it would overclock on a 3 stage cascade :D

saaya
03-04-2005, 02:55 PM
sweeeet :slobber:

have a pic of the heatsink it comes with? does it have heatpipes like the fx55 heatsink? i guess no because it runs much cooler since its a 90nm chip, but maybe were lucky and amd is bundling the same sweet heatsinks of the fx55 chips with them! :D

_Eduard_
03-04-2005, 03:10 PM
sweeeet :slobber:

have a pic of the heatsink it comes with? does it have heatpipes like the fx55 heatsink? i guess no because it runs much cooler since its a 90nm chip, but maybe were lucky and amd is bundling the same sweet heatsinks of the fx55 chips with them! :D

I'm almost sure he got it OEM (that is if he's not faking it). He is a. under NDA or b. he stole it or c. he's faking it.

anyway this is a nice indication that the fx-57 aint far away after all... :banana:

Orthogonal
03-04-2005, 03:23 PM
why would amd suddenly start locking the downward multi's on their chips? i think it's still unlocked below stock for cool&quiet to work :toast:

AMD locking the lower multi's would be the stupidest move they could ever make. Nearly the entire enthusiast community would drop them. Not everyone can afford an FX chip.

Arseface
03-04-2005, 03:37 PM
I've got a feeling that this will turn out to be one of the new 90nm San-Diego FX55s, rather than the 4200+ (although they should be essentially the same chip). Of course I *hope* it will be a 4200+, as that would imply the imminent release of the FX57, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-04-2005, 03:53 PM
I've got a feeling that this will turn out to be one of the new 90nm San-Diego FX55s, rather than the 4200+ (although they should be essentially the same chip). Of course I *hope* it will be a 4200+, as that would imply the imminent release of the FX57, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

:D Hey AF, share Your hopes but to be realistic the FX-57 will appear in Q3.

But I think we don't have to speculate about it - I bet a monthly income that in the same hour the FX-57 will be released an XS member will post it here so we are all on the safer side here at XS........ :toast:

Tirlista
03-04-2005, 04:27 PM
=']I think alot of people are missing the point of the 1MB of cache. Everyone is posting screenies at 2.6ghz and 32s 1M, what everyone is forgettin is the ram on the 4200+ is running at 200mhz. Everyone posting 32s is atleast a 250mhz and tight timings.

That is what Iwas trying to say in my post. If I get 32s with a winnie oc'ed and these chips do those speeds stock with 200FSB that is a fairly impressive starting point! :)

As said, an FX55 on Neo2 also pulls 32s at stock. The potential for these chips looks good. I'd love to see some 3d01 comparisons between this cpu and a FX55.

Now for the waiting game...

Nanobot
03-04-2005, 05:11 PM
I'm almost sure he got it OEM (that is if he's not faking it). He is a. under NDA or b. he stole it or c. he's faking it.

anyway this is a nice indication that the fx-57 aint far away after all... :banana:

I'm pretty sure he's insider.Who else can be X.I.P here under ~200 post ?

Geforce4ti4200
03-04-2005, 05:21 PM
no word from him. I will go and say hes faking it. fx55 and 4000+ diego are imminent but 4200+ is in q3. Venice has been pushed up too so I may have one in a month or so

conrad.maranan
03-04-2005, 05:51 PM
He's faking it because he hasn't re-visited this thread??? Come on now. Some people do have lives outside of overclocking and community forum membership. Give him the benefit of a doubt and say he's busy tending to more important matters.

shadowing
03-04-2005, 07:22 PM
Did anyone read his title? It says "X.I.P" He could've gotten it from the higher authorities.

omga14
03-04-2005, 09:23 PM
is it dual core? if not i'm not impressed yet. now excuse me, i have to get something to clean up my desk.

sxs112
03-04-2005, 09:40 PM
is it dual core? if not i'm not impressed yet. now excuse me, i have to get something to clean up my desk.

Single core........... :p:

don_vercetti
03-04-2005, 11:54 PM
he says he's under NDA, on those Digital-Info websites. Shame.

I guess he's probably real, but if i got that chip, i'd have overclocked the hell out of it, and posted some results.

c627627
03-05-2005, 12:00 AM
Hello sxs112,

It does not make any marketing sense whatsoever for a 4200+ San Diego to have been produced in the first batch of Venice & San Diego CPUs that are now in the first weeks of production.

4200+ cannot coexist with FX-55, it can only do so with FX-57,
just like 2.4 GHz 4000+ 939 CH and 2.6 GHz Fx-55 939 CH are coexisting.

4200+ San Diego is (well, was earlier this year) a Q4 2005 product with limited availability toward the end of Q3 2005.

That's Fall 2005. Even if it's pushed up, we're just out of February 2005, way too early for any 4200+ San Diego.

Even if you have an Engineering sample, it may may not be as indicative as when multiple sources start reporting OC results from first real batches of them...


First Venice/San Diego CPUs should be here either later this month or early April 2005 which is not bad considering that earlier this year we expected them toward the end of Q2 2005 in limited quantities.

cupra
03-05-2005, 01:07 AM
look like the athlon 64 = fx-55 :|

same clocks

Hallowed
03-05-2005, 01:41 AM
sxs112 was the first here with pics of NF4 boards, I'm more than certain hes from Taiwan, and its pretty widely known that in Taiwan, NDA's are about as powerful as Hondas.

Instead of calling him a faker, Ace, do a bit of research on the person you're bashing.

@sxs:

Thanks for the inside scoop man. I, for one, am glad you posted it here first. :)

If possible, could you run a multimedia suite to show us if sse3 is making any headway?

OC Detective
03-05-2005, 02:38 AM
One of the first with info on Oakvilles too. (July if I remember correctly)

VVJ
03-05-2005, 02:53 AM
sxs112, do you know how many physical cores does your Athlon64 have? By the way, you may use Central Brain Identifier tool to get much more specific information on your AMD processor. I’ve just added for you an option to retrieve a maximum case temperature directly from the processor. Probably, you have already known that this feature was implemented in all D0 and higher AMD64 processors and it represents the highest die temperature. Here’s the link http://cbid.amdclub.ru/files/cbid74t.zip

Arseface
03-05-2005, 02:57 AM
sxs112, do you know how many physical cores does your Athlon64 have? By the way, you may use Central Brain Identifier tool to get much more specific information on your AMD processor.
...

Single core........... :p:

blueworm
03-05-2005, 05:48 AM
Did anyone read his title? It says "X.I.P" He could've gotten it from the higher authorities.
what does X.I.P. mean?
I just looked at a bunch of sxs112 previous post's. This person is definitely very well connected in Taiwan. :toast:

del_fuego
03-05-2005, 06:00 AM
I guess its like V.I.P but a bit more xtreme.

computersmsa
03-05-2005, 07:06 AM
One of the first with info on Oakvilles too. (July if I remember correctly)
Oakville = A64 Mobile LV S754 90nm 512Ko
I can have it since December 2004.

Super Nade
03-05-2005, 12:33 PM
:D Maybe a gift from outerspace.............. :p:

:toast:

Lol. The fellow disappeared! I guess he's conferring with the aliens :D

some_young_guy
03-05-2005, 12:43 PM
Nice numbers. Pretty much exactly the same Super 32M score at 28'33" compared to the Newcastle's 28'26" both at 2.6GHz. Except for the fact that the Newcastle's memory is at 250 1:1 @ 2-2-2 while the 4200+ is at 200 1:1 @ I'm guessing 2-2-2

Cow2kie
03-05-2005, 02:46 PM
he says he's under NDA, on those Digital-Info websites. Shame.

I guess he's probably real, but if i got that chip, i'd have overclocked the hell out of it, and posted some results.


If you're lucky enough to get one of those chips and were under NDA.. why would you want to risk it. You were givin the priv to even test it out.. dont throw NDA out the window or he prob wouldnt get any goodies in the future. :D

IvanAndreevich
03-05-2005, 05:10 PM
Showing the things he showed is breaking NDA so there goes that theory. Somebody under NDA probably gave him this under the condition he can't attract too much attention and release too much information.

dX.
03-05-2005, 11:31 PM
AMD locking the lower multi's would be the stupidest move they could ever make. Nearly the entire enthusiast community would drop them. Not everyone can afford an FX chip. Not to mention that Cool'n'Quiet would be useless! :p:

VVJ
03-06-2005, 03:52 AM
...
It’s interesting to know weather the processor has an Intel’s Hyper-Threading feature? As far as I know all dual core AMD64 CPUs based on revision E4/E0 have set HTT bit. CBId may show it.

saaya
03-06-2005, 07:55 AM
I guess its like V.I.P but a bit more xtreme.

bingo :D

Hombre
03-06-2005, 09:05 AM
If San Diego cores are used on other CPU's other than FX's, which CPU's or PR's will be Venice based? I thought that Venice is for the A64 line, and San-Diego is for the FX line.

STEvil
03-06-2005, 10:24 AM
It’s interesting to know weather the processor has an Intel’s Hyper-Threading feature? As far as I know all dual core AMD64 CPUs based on revision E4/E0 have set HTT bit. CBId may show it.

It doesnt.

A: Its intel.
B: AMD will be using dualcore.

AMDnewbie
03-06-2005, 02:42 PM
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=1829&s=1
according to this roadmap...not just the 4200+ but also 4400+ in Q2 that is very interesting...and venice starts at 3200+

edit: seems like FX-55 been down to 4400+

Cpt Twitchy
03-06-2005, 02:57 PM
Its very nice to have you here posting all the goods so we know what is to come. Thanks for all of your info.

Gitsum
03-06-2005, 03:47 PM
So are we going to see E-core FX-55 this month or not?

isp
03-06-2005, 04:52 PM
Thanks for the heads up look... :cool:

I think 32" sounds pretty good for a bone stock cpu/mem :D... this should be spot on with fx55 performance then shouldn't it?

saaya
03-06-2005, 07:30 PM
It doesnt.

A: Its intel.
B: AMD will be using dualcore.

steven, he knows that! hes the author of CBID ;)
he was referring to the HT related instructions in SSE3 wich have been speculated to get adopted by amd to regulate/control the two physical cores like intel controls the two virtual cores in ht with them.


So are we going to see E-core FX-55 this month or not?

if you wait a week you should know :D
SAE just got a confirmation that the fx55 he ordered in a german shop finally arrived and was sent out to him, i hope its an e3 core, very likely though as i dont think that shop ordered old 130nm stocks from somewhere.

Chr0n1c
03-06-2005, 07:40 PM
Well since there have been ppl getting like 0507 130nm FX-55's I'd say the chance of getting a 90nm now are rather slim.

computersmsa
03-06-2005, 10:52 PM
steven, he knows that! hes the author of CBID ;)
he was referring to the HT related instructions in SSE3 wich have been speculated to get adopted by amd to regulate/control the two physical cores like intel controls the two virtual cores in ht with them.



if you wait a week you should know :D
SAE just got a confirmation that the fx55 he ordered in a german shop finally arrived and was sent out to him, i hope its an e3 core, very likely though as i dont think that shop ordered old 130nm stocks from somewhere.
FX-55 = 130nm
90nm = FX-57 = 90nm E0

sxs112
03-07-2005, 01:15 AM
http://img25.exs.cx/img25/4638/030316434ns.jpg
CPU Picture

STEvil
03-07-2005, 01:41 AM
steven, he knows that! hes the author of CBID ;)
Oh, woops :P


he was referring to the HT related instructions in SSE3 wich have been speculated to get adopted by amd to regulate/control the two physical cores like intel controls the two virtual cores in ht with them.
Thats funny.. donnie and saratoga couldnt stop telling me that doing something similar (ie: the exact same, in hardware) is wrong..




if you wait a week you should know :D
SAE just got a confirmation that the fx55 he ordered in a german shop finally arrived and was sent out to him, i hope its an e3 core, very likely though as i dont think that shop ordered old 130nm stocks from somewhere.

That'd be nice ;)

ozzimark
03-07-2005, 07:41 AM
http://img25.exs.cx/img25/4638/030316434ns.jpg
CPU Picture
if that the heatspreader?
looks a lot different :stick:

sxs112
03-07-2005, 08:16 AM
if that the heatspreader?
looks a lot different :stick:

http://img188.exs.cx/img188/9203/030316464ig.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/1631/030316459bj.jpg

ozzimark
03-07-2005, 08:29 AM
nifty. i like the new box. :toast:

krille
03-07-2005, 08:58 AM
http://img25.exs.cx/img25/4638/030316434ns.jpg

i think you need to remove the dust there, you should be more careful with your CPUs...

Ackbar
03-07-2005, 09:02 AM
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/9203/030316464ig.jpg
http://img188.exs.cx/img188/1631/030316459bj.jpg

Excuse me... I need to go change... umm, seems like a release is imminent just a matter of how many weeks.

Revv23
03-07-2005, 09:09 AM
thats just awesome, thanks very much sxs, are those both 4200+'s?

Sentential
03-07-2005, 09:19 AM
Looks great. Any overclocking results yet?

terrace215
03-07-2005, 01:24 PM
Hello sxs112,

It does not make any marketing sense whatsoever for a 4200+ San Diego to have been produced in the first batch of Venice & San Diego CPUs that are now in the first weeks of production.

4200+ cannot coexist with FX-55, it can only do so with FX-57,
just like 2.4 GHz 4000+ 939 CH and 2.6 GHz Fx-55 939 CH are coexisting.

4200+ San Diego is (well, was earlier this year) a Q4 2005 product with limited availability toward the end of Q3 2005.

That's Fall 2005. Even if it's pushed up, we're just out of February 2005, way too early for any 4200+ San Diego.

Even if you have an Engineering sample, it may may not be as indicative as when multiple sources start reporting OC results from first real batches of them...


First Venice/San Diego CPUs should be here either later this month or early April 2005 which is not bad considering that earlier this year we expected them toward the end of Q2 2005 in limited quantities.



No, the 4200+ is not a Q4 product. It was shown on older roadmaps as an early Q3 product. Moved forward perhaps due to success with Rev E 90nm parts.

GRAFiZ
03-07-2005, 02:26 PM
nifty. i like the new box. :toast:

Nah... that's the packaging AMD gives out to employee's and testers for their "beta" chips.

I used to know a guy who'd get a trunk load from of them from AMD and give them out to people as kind of a promotion.

That was way back when though... it appears the package them the same though.

Orker
03-07-2005, 03:02 PM
Will this cpu have a newer, improved revision of the memory controller? that is better then whats with the winnies?

Dumo
03-07-2005, 03:16 PM
Heres fx57 which will be available from this Canadian retailer next week (only 6 pcs.) Price still TBD...

Orthogonal
03-07-2005, 03:17 PM
Will this cpu have a newer, improved revision of the memory controller? that is better then whats with the winnies?

That is of course, what we are all hoping for. I'm fairly certain they will, but you never know. :toast:

off-topic, what's with 400+ veiwers on this board, I've never seen it that high.

ozzimark
03-07-2005, 03:32 PM
other sites are probably linking to this thread.. i know there's one on the forums at [H], but that probably accounts for like 2 of those people :stick:

either way, i'm getting really anxious to see overclocking results of this and the turion

quicksilverXP
03-07-2005, 03:57 PM
How much do you think the FX57 will retail for? Or will it retail around 899 and the price of 55s will drop? I'm anxious to buy, but not anxious to pay well above 1k for it...

Orthogonal
03-07-2005, 04:03 PM
How much do you think the FX57 will retail for? Or will it retail around 899 and the price of 55s will drop? I'm anxious to buy, but not anxious to pay well above 1k for it...

I'm willing to bet it will play out like when the FX-55 came out. The FX-55 will be rebadged the 4200+, but with locked multi, and the FX-57 will be the lone FX chip in production. (This is assuming the FX-55 comes out in 90nm form before the FX-57 release, I doubt the 4200+ will be clawhammer)

terrace215
03-07-2005, 04:39 PM
Heres fx57 which will be available from this Canadian retailer next week (only 6 pcs.) Price still TBD...

That retailer has the "FSB" (i.e. Hypertransport) speed wrong. FX parts have been 1GHz since 939 launched, and the FX-57 will be no exception.

Ackbar
03-07-2005, 06:23 PM
That is of course, what we are all hoping for. I'm fairly certain they will, but you never know. :toast:

off-topic, what's with 400+ veiwers on this board, I've never seen it that high.

We got linked by theINQ: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21646

Sorry, I couldn't help making this thread recursive... enjoy reading an article that is a summary of this thread!

saaya
03-07-2005, 07:49 PM
there are also 90nm fx55 chips afaik, am i wrong? :confused:


FX-55 = 130nm
90nm = FX-57 = 90nm E0

STEvil
03-07-2005, 08:24 PM
nobody has seen a 90nm FX55 yet... just lots of talk when the supply dried up.

Spion
03-07-2005, 09:05 PM
wow... looks to be a very good chip. i know what im getting in my new system at the end of summer :D

OC Detective
03-07-2005, 10:17 PM
Monarch is no longer showing a listing of any FX55 (not even saying out of stock ETA etc)! Something is about to happen.......lol

Ackbar
03-07-2005, 10:47 PM
Monarch is no longer showing a listing of any FX55 (not even saying out of stock ETA etc)! Something is about to happen.......lol

Also note that Monarch preemptively lowered the price of 3800+ and 4000+ CPUs... a release is imminent. Although... I'm just not sure what the release will be of yet at this point.

Ratax
03-08-2005, 04:07 AM
Also note that Monarch preemptively lowered the price of 3800+ and 4000+ CPUs...

Not monarch.... AMD lowered 3800+ and 4000+ prices for a limited time.

Ackbar
03-08-2005, 05:23 AM
Not monarch.... AMD lowered 3800+ and 4000+ prices for a limited time.

How can you be arguing with me when they say they lowered their price on their website? LOL I'm sure they lowered as a response to new prices from AMD, but that doesn't change the fact that they lowered them in the first place which was all that I was saying. Note that Monarch lowering their prices is not mutually exclusive to AMD doing so. :D

_Eduard_
03-08-2005, 05:32 AM
I hope this will push down the prices of the other FX chips, i mean the FX-51 still is 750 euro here :(

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-08-2005, 06:25 AM
I hope this will push down the prices of the other FX chips, i mean the FX-51 still is 750 euro here :(

:D Hm - seems to be a really good shop keeper then......... :p:

:toast:

Chris85
03-08-2005, 06:27 AM
I hope this will push down the prices of the other FX chips, i mean the FX-51 still is 750 euro here :(

Prolly the prices will stay the same here, cause they are no longer made, so no need to lower the prices (Or to buy them for that case ;) )

I wonder what chip will appear, if AMD speeds everything up, there might not come an FX-55 .09nm right? :rolleyes:

isp
03-08-2005, 07:23 AM
The store prices might not go down that much, but you can be sure guys will probably be selling their FX55s etc to recoup the high costs of being an early adopter of the FX57. Might be best to get one that way. :thumbsup:

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-08-2005, 07:40 AM
The store prices might not go down that much, but you can be sure guys will probably be selling their FX55s etc to recoup the high costs of being an early adopter of the FX57. Might be best to get one that way. :thumbsup:

:D You can be sure of that - wait a while till FX-57 will be released and You can buy mine...... :toast:

I(illa Bee
03-08-2005, 08:24 AM
why would amd suddenly start locking the downward multi's on their chips? i think it's still unlocked below stock for cool&quiet to work :toast:

The only reason the downward multiplyers were unlocked was for "Cool and quite" Right? Everything i have read was in C&Q, is it dosnt work too well, and there no point to use it, as most A64s run pretty cool at full clocks, (stock speed) so why use it? Mabey AMD is going to drop cool and quite, thus not needing any multiplyer expect the stock one.

jsut a shot in the dark...

the 4200+ looks sweet... ohh my 3800+ seems so week... (it was free, AMD RMAed it to me to replace a 3500+ 90nm, i still feel ripped) ohh well...

ozzimark
03-08-2005, 08:28 AM
yeah, i doubt they'd drop that though.. i know i use a form of it. it's nice to be able to have a 28c idle sometimes :toast:
(though that temp is most likely off as the bios reports 38c no matter what the clock/voltage/air temp is)

though, i'm beginning to think that the turion will be a much 'better' chip than these high end a64's purely because they'll be a lot cheaper and still overclock like mad.

terrace215
03-08-2005, 10:24 AM
Everything i have read was in C&Q, is it dosnt work too well, and there no point to use it, as most A64s run pretty cool at full clocks, (stock speed) so why use it? Mabey AMD is going to drop cool and quite, thus not needing any multiplyer expect the stock one.


Everything you have read is wrong, then. :)

C&Q works very well, and far from dropping it, it is being enhanced. It makes a big difference when idling/running low-stress applications (think: Word).

I(illa Bee
03-08-2005, 12:02 PM
Everything you have read is wrong, then. :)

C&Q works very well, and far from dropping it, it is being enhanced. It makes a big difference when idling/running low-stress applications (think: Word).


Hmm thats cool, i dont use C&Q my self as overclcoking with it is no good, but well have to see, if a fully locked core comess out then i would have to say C&Q probely wont work correctly lol

saaya
03-08-2005, 12:03 PM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55393

more fx57 infos! looks like it might come soon but in q2, so amd will release the 4200+ before the fx57! thats the first time they dont do a double release like they did with all former fx chips (55 4000 53 3800 ...)

terrace215
03-08-2005, 12:36 PM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55393

more fx57 infos! looks like it might come soon but in q2, so amd will release the 4200+ before the fx57! thats the first time they dont do a double release like they did with all former fx chips (55 4000 53 3800 ...)

That will be very odd, to not release them in a pair.

Just read the link... ehhh. Xbit quoting "some sources" which are obviously confused.

More of that vr-zone error spreading around, I think.

There is no way they release a 4400+ in Q2. That would be the FX-57 equivalent, requiring an FX-59 on the market. Makes no sense at all.

Given that error, one doubts the rest of it.

If the pictured part here was an engineering sample, Q2 (April, say) may actually be the likely launch for the 4200+ (and probably also the FX-57 at the same time.)

thomasxstewart
03-08-2005, 04:55 PM
:banana4: WOW, Well I'm sure everybody noticed that amd 64 4200+ was not listed as such, it is listed in post as 2200+. xsx states bios carries on error to display wrong reading, if I read that post correctly. However, when bios gives lower read out than actual unit its because something is very wrong, usually clock rate is set way too low.(as it won;t display number above actual processor model, that & only lower numbers display). Are you sure thats really true test read out & not some "imaginative" forward looking towards amd 64 4200+. Or that what you had is not working correctly, however its frequency is at correct ~reading, so whats explanation, make bios read 4200+ if it is one or maybe you got hucked too. I think you just cann't trust entire test.
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M. :slobber: D.

andyhuang0308
03-08-2005, 05:30 PM
:banana4: WOW, Well I'm sure everybody noticed that amd 64 4200+ was not listed as such, it is listed in post as 2200+. xsx states bios carries on error to display wrong reading, if I read that post correctly. However, when bios gives lower read out than actual unit its because something is very wrong, usually clock rate is set way too low.(as it won;t display number above actual processor model, that & only lower numbers display). Are you sure thats really true test read out & not some "imaginative" forward looking towards amd 64 4200+. Or that what you had is not working correctly, however its frequency is at correct ~reading, so whats explanation, make bios read 4200+ if it is one or maybe you got hucked too. I think you just cann't trust entire test.
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M. :slobber: D.

Dear all:
the whole test was done on a sample MB, which Bios version was not even over 1.XX yet, there was no options in bios that he can adjust for OC. The CPU fan used in the test was for P4 3.0EG (Sanyo Denki, 0.44A) . All I know is that the CPU stays at very low temperature during the whole test. I'm just happen to be a person who knows the tester. BTW, he just had it on hand for very short time, that's another reason why no other test done. Please just read the information but don't.... I hope you guys can realise it. Thanks :)

Dumo
03-08-2005, 05:35 PM
@Andy.....Thanks for the clarification and welcome to XS Thomasxstewart and Andyhuang0308 :toast: Now, when is the ETA for this cpu? ;)

Tim
03-08-2005, 09:42 PM
@Andy.....Thanks for the clarification and welcome to XS Thomasxstewart and Andyhuang0308 :toast: Now, when is the ETA for this cpu? ;)

Yes I would love to have an ETA :D

andyhuang0308
03-08-2005, 10:25 PM
In fact, when he 1st time got that CPU on hand, the tester had no idea what he had.... lol it's because of the strange CPU-Z that made him want to ask sxs122 for help.... XD
So an ETA?.... I will have to say, sorry O_Q

Dumo
03-08-2005, 11:14 PM
Well, at least if 1 already out then 1k more on the way :D

Rabbi_NZ
03-08-2005, 11:41 PM
sxs112, do you know how many physical cores does your Athlon64 have? By the way, you may use Central Brain Identifier tool to get much more specific information on your AMD processor. I’ve just added for you an option to retrieve a maximum case temperature directly from the processor. Probably, you have already known that this feature was implemented in all D0 and higher AMD64 processors and it represents the highest die temperature. Here’s the link http://cbid.amdclub.ru/files/cbid74t.zip
That version says my Mobile 754 has SSE2... is that right?

zA.Gosu
03-09-2005, 12:35 AM
Yeah, a64 has sse2

andyhuang0308
03-09-2005, 06:40 PM
there is a new test on http://forum.coolaler.com/....
with lower Volt at SPD speed, and an OC result.
if any one interest in that, can go on & see for yourself.

OC Detective
03-09-2005, 06:51 PM
How we supposed to know what thread to click on!

andyhuang0308
03-09-2005, 06:54 PM
How we supposed to know what thread to click on!
the title is this:"xxU亂亂測~"
look for the above words should can help you on this :)

OC Detective
03-09-2005, 06:56 PM
On the main page that you provided the link for?
OK found it - thread started by Jeffchen right?

andyhuang0308
03-09-2005, 07:15 PM
On the main page that you provided the link for?
OK found it - thread started by Jeffchen right?
that's right, sir :)
the right direction is:
look for "新品測試區" <---which means "new stuff test"
then look for "xxU亂亂測~" <--thread started by Jeffchen
above.

isp
03-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Here:
http://www.coolaler.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=43303
:cool:

OC Detective
03-09-2005, 07:30 PM
2.85Ghz at 1.4V, 2.6GHz at 1.25V - not bad at all - looks like Smartguardian or him have got the temps/probes out of whack as he shows a greater RPM for his fan on the chipset than his cpu yet much higher temps.

perkam
03-09-2005, 07:32 PM
Whats up with the ppl's avatars in the forum lol, its either dogs or gundams. At any rate, it would nice to see some sandra cpu runs at stock ;) I have a feeling no one's going to buy the 57 this time around if the 4200+ is looking this good :O

Perkam

Dumo
03-09-2005, 09:48 PM
I talked to a 'PR' person @AMD Sunnyvalle today...and yes 4200 and FX57 release is imminent. Off course he can't give ETA :)...And no comment on FX55 90nm...
Probly they still busy with this...http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2005/3/9&pages=PR&seq=202

OC Detective
03-09-2005, 10:09 PM
If the FX57 is imminent then there cant be a FX55 90nm.

Dumo
03-09-2005, 10:16 PM
OC, Yes you're right and come to think about it...4200 will replace 55 like 4000 to 53.

OC Detective
03-10-2005, 12:06 AM
Exactly - obviously upping the ante after Intels developer forum to try and get back some publicity.

Orthogonal
03-10-2005, 09:43 AM
OC, Yes you're right and come to think about it...4200 will replace 55 like 4000 to 53.

I agree with that as well, but what about the 4400+ due out later this year? It certainly won't replace the FX-57... will it :confused:

terrace215
03-10-2005, 10:07 AM
I talked to a 'PR' person @AMD Sunnyvalle today...and yes 4200 and FX57 release is imminent. Off course he can't give ETA :)...And no comment on FX55 90nm...
Probly they still busy with this...http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2005/3/9&pages=PR&seq=202

April 4th is the Venice launch date. April 15 for San Diego.

J-Mag
03-10-2005, 10:52 AM
2.85Ghz at 1.4V, 2.6GHz at 1.25V -

I wonder if this is with stock cooling... I am sure it could take 1.6v on air no prob... that should net 3000 maybe 3100

Obvously next step is to see if it likes phase...

thomasxstewart
03-10-2005, 01:26 PM
:stick: At least some partners of chipmaker Advanced Micro Devices have received AMD Athlon 64 4200+ microprocessor which is made using 90nm process technology and sports numerous enhancements over currently available Athlon 64 4000+ and FX-55 models.

A Chinese web-site’s forum member has posted what he claimed to be a benchmark result of the AMD Athlon 64 4200+ processor as well as a screenshot from a microprocessor identification program which could not correctly determine the brand-name of the product, but could reveal its specifications. At press-time the pictures were available over XtremeSystems.org and Digital-Info web-sites.

AMD’s Athlon 64 4200+ processor is clocked at 2.60GHz, contain 1MB of L2 cache and sport dual-channel PC3200 memory controller, copying major specs of the currently shipping AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 processor for Socket 939 infrastructure. However, the Athlon 64 4200+ is made using 90nm fabrication processor, sports SSE3 instructions as well as minor memory controller enhancements. Potentially, the chip may also fit into lower thermal envelope than the FX-55 model. AS GHZ DIDN'T INCREASE LETS GUESS ITS FX-57 AT 90NM. IN OTHER WORDS GETTING MORE FROM SMALLER SCALE AS STATED BY ALLEN (above from tech connect yesterday), YET IS IT? OR IS IT REALLY HAVE FEW MORE MULTIPLIERS (ASSEMBLY LINES) WAITING TO BE TURNED ON? ALSO I'VE NOTICED POST OF STOLEN/COUNTERFEIT PROCESSORS FROM AMD SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE NEW PROCESSOR WAS ANNOUNCED.AMD SPOKESPERSON DOES CLAIM FX-57 IS "IMMINANT" IN ANOTHER NEWS ARTICLE TODAY WHERE SOMEONE CALLED AMD (MAYBE FROM THIS THREAD). :cool:
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D.

Ackbar
03-10-2005, 01:55 PM
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D.

Thanks for putting your credentials in your post! :up:

Just so everyone knows, I've got a M.D., 2 PhD's, 3 MS's, and a JD. :toast:
BTW- working on the 3rd PhD right now, but this is not to gloat. I just wanted everyone to know how smart I am.

Mikael
03-10-2005, 02:06 PM
I just wanted everyone to know how smart I am.
Thanks, man. I think I speak for everyone when I say that we all appreciate our new knowledge! :D ;)

Cathar
03-10-2005, 06:25 PM
So if it's 90nm, and so very small as 90nm chips are, does anything think AMD is going to release a 2MB L2 cache FX CPU soon?

Super strokey
03-10-2005, 07:29 PM
Thanks for putting your credentials in your post! :up:

Just so everyone knows, I've got a M.D., 2 PhD's, 3 MS's, and a JD. :toast:
BTW- working on the 3rd PhD right now, but this is not to gloat. I just wanted everyone to know how smart I am.

i have 2 cats... does that count?

Rabbi_NZ
03-10-2005, 10:07 PM
Just so everyone knows, I've got a M.D., 2 PhD's, 3 MS's, and a JD. :toast:
BTW- working on the 3rd PhD right now, but this is not to gloat. I just wanted everyone to know how smart I am.
What subjects and how old are you man?!!

My tadpole turned into a frog today... does that count for something? :D

Ackbar
03-10-2005, 10:12 PM
What subjects and how old are you man?!!

My tadpole turned into a frog today... does that count for something? :D

Guys... I was kidding... :D

If I did have all those degrees, I definitely wouldn't be advertising it, just the way I am.

I've got a few upper level degrees... but not that many! :eleph:

Hallowed
03-11-2005, 02:20 AM
So if it's 90nm, and so very small as 90nm chips are, does anything think AMD is going to release a 2MB L2 cache FX CPU soon?

As long as their performance lead goes unchallenged (as it is now), I doubt they will add cache.

Usual supsects: larger die, less cores per wafer, slightly larger thermal envelope, etc...

thomasxstewart
03-11-2005, 05:15 AM
:) Well I just read that 5april '05 will be day of introduction of new amd processors from AMD & fx-57/4200+ is believed to be amoung them. It is clearly admitted that new units will need bios update from mainboard 939 pin manufacurer, so i am confidant that first test pages show are accurate & true, I kind of figured that, yet as I too stated, bios dosn't report unknown (more modern than bios) processors correctly.
Study of mediciene is most important art to civilazation, oh sure there are millions of nvr'do wells who have ideas of self importance, Hon means killing with smile, phd means "cheatring is possible, I have no idea about subject", Rev. means I found new group of suckers, JD means i got caught at mediciene & want that hon. Judges ass. etc. So I'm use to profane comments. I am MEDICAL DOCTOR by GOVENORS' SIGNATURE. Its little differnt than you think, yet spare cats & tadpoles may go together, CHEMISTRY is prime subject of mediciene.I could go on, yet put L word on those who hate.
FX-59 is believed to be end of line for fx series, as dual core is so near. So fx-57 is mainly moving to 90 nm process & basicly entire fx series is about to retire from forefront within 6 months or so.I am glad sxs112 shared very confidential information.Keep letting us know so we can all keep count of whole trading bin of "DOCTOR" stuff, people.
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D. :toast:

andyhuang0308
03-11-2005, 06:01 AM
Thx for your support, Thomas. BTW, road news I just heard today, Tyan already testing the dual-core 940 CPUs with their NV Dual CPU MB in their office, TPE. The testing goes well with 32bits/64bits XP, Unix and others. softwares is well to run under O/S too. the MB using two NV chips as I heard. 8131 & 8XXX I couldn't remember well. sorry about that.

Mikael
03-11-2005, 09:58 AM
:) Well I just read that 5april '05 will be day of introduction of new amd processors from AMD & fx-57/4200+ is believed to be amoung them. It is clearly admitted that new units will need bios update from mainboard 939 pin manufacurer, so i am confidant that first test pages show are accurate & true, I kind of figured that, yet as I too stated, bios dosn't report unknown (more modern than bios) processors correctly.
Study of mediciene is most important art to civilazation, oh sure there are millions of nvr'do wells who have ideas of self importance, Hon means killing with smile, phd means "cheatring is possible, I have no idea about subject", Rev. means I found new group of suckers, JD means i got caught at mediciene & want that hon. Judges ass. etc. So I'm use to profane comments. I am MEDICAL DOCTOR by GOVENORS' SIGNATURE. Its little differnt than you think, yet spare cats & tadpoles may go together, CHEMISTRY is prime subject of mediciene.I could go on, yet put L word on those who hate.
FX-59 is believed to be end of line for fx series, as dual core is so near. So fx-57 is mainly moving to 90 nm process & basicly entire fx series is about to retire from forefront within 6 months or so.I am glad sxs112 shared very confidential information.Keep letting us know so we can all keep count of whole trading bin of "DOCTOR" stuff, people.
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D. :toast:
It might just be that english isn't my first language, but that post was damn confusing...

jikdoc
03-11-2005, 10:05 AM
i'm a physician, but i'm not as weird as thomasxstewart. while i was reading that post, a few bars of the 'twilight zone' jingle kept repeating in my head. please keep posting, i'm intrigued.

back on topic, i think the major thing everyone on this site is interested in with the fx57 is it's compatibility with subzero cooling. if the price on these chips weren't so outrageously high, i'd take a chance to test one out.

LowRun
03-11-2005, 11:14 AM
It might just be that english isn't my first language, but that post was damn confusing...

At least i'm not the only one :D

sabrewulf165
03-11-2005, 10:30 PM
So has AMD just given up on the whole "939 A64's will be 512k parts" philosophy?

When (if at all?) will we see cheaper 2.6ghz / 512k parts?

blueworm
03-11-2005, 11:31 PM
So has AMD just given up on the whole "939 A64's will be 512k parts" philosophy?

When (if at all?) will we see cheaper 2.6ghz / 512k parts?
I dont think we will see these pieces until 2600mhz becomes "mid-range" which is not going to be before the shrink to 65nm. Just speculation!
AMD's road map seems to fall of the face of the earth after 2005. Could this mean the end of the world? :stick:

sabrewulf165
03-11-2005, 11:47 PM
I dont think we will see these pieces until 2600mhz becomes "mid-range" which is not going to be before the shrink to 65nm. Just speculation!
AMD's road map seems to fall of the face of the earth after 2005. Could this mean the end of the world? :stick:
As long as I can get my hands on a cheap Venice and they OC like I've heard they can, I don't really care :D

Ferry82
03-12-2005, 02:49 AM
As long as I can get my hands on a cheap Venice and they OC like I've heard they can, I don't really care :D

Nobody has a venice sofar i have seen so you cant now how the oc?

sabrewulf165
03-12-2005, 05:53 AM
Nobody has a venice sofar i have seen so you cant now how the oc?
I don't know, I'm just going off of hearsay and rumors.

Tim
03-13-2005, 05:25 AM
I just heard from my supplier that I will get an FX55 on tuesday (while there are 50 in backorder) How can this be?

:confused:

Geforce4ti4200
03-13-2005, 03:03 PM
well amd's roadmap shows Venice going to at least 2.8GHz so its natural we can assume those to overclock to at least that with subsquent batches only improving from there and hitting over 3GHz. as for that fx55, it may be 130nm, avoid it, get a fx57 shortly!

terrace215
03-13-2005, 03:40 PM
What tells you that this is a Rev E A64 4200+, as opposed to a Rev E FX-55?

Did AMD indicate this was a sample for the former?

They have the same characteristics, other than overclocking locking.

I ask because a 4200+ part implies an FX-57 part at the same time,(to keep up the FX "fastest part" reputation) but if this is just the 90nm Rev E FX-55, there is no such implication.

OC Detective
03-13-2005, 09:52 PM
Terrace, the cpuid value for the Rev E San Diegos is finalised at 20F71 this ES is 20F70 so I guess it could be either as it is clearly an early sampling.

Arseface
03-14-2005, 02:44 AM
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lol - words...

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Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D. :toast:

Well - the arrogance is strong with this one.

edit - you would think, being a doctor, that you might be able to correctly spell 'medicine'. Once, and I'd take it as a typo - but twice? :confused:

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-14-2005, 02:48 AM
:) Well I just read that 5april '05 will be day of introduction of new amd processors from AMD & fx-57/4200+ is believed to be amoung them. It is clearly admitted that new units will need bios update from mainboard 939 pin manufacurer, so i am confidant that first test pages show are accurate & true, I kind of figured that, yet as I too stated, bios dosn't report unknown (more modern than bios) processors correctly.
Study of mediciene is most important art to civilazation, oh sure there are millions of nvr'do wells who have ideas of self importance, Hon means killing with smile, phd means "cheatring is possible, I have no idea about subject", Rev. means I found new group of suckers, JD means i got caught at mediciene & want that hon. Judges ass. etc. So I'm use to profane comments. I am MEDICAL DOCTOR by GOVENORS' SIGNATURE. Its little differnt than you think, yet spare cats & tadpoles may go together, CHEMISTRY is prime subject of mediciene.I could go on, yet put L word on those who hate.
FX-59 is believed to be end of line for fx series, as dual core is so near. So fx-57 is mainly moving to 90 nm process & basicly entire fx series is about to retire from forefront within 6 months or so.I am glad sxs112 shared very confidential information.Keep letting us know so we can all keep count of whole trading bin of "DOCTOR" stuff, people.
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D. :toast:

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Nv11
03-14-2005, 05:04 AM
low votle

terrace215
03-14-2005, 10:04 AM
Yeah, the CPUID isn't going to help here, as really, there is NO DIFFERENCE (but for overclocking locked/unlocked) between the 4000+ and the FX-53, the 4200+ and the FX-55, and the 4400+ and the FX-57.

They are the same parts.

So the question is, did the sample come with any documentation that suggested how AMD was going to label it?

If they are sampling it as a 4200+, it implies they have an FX-57 about to launch with it.

If they are sampling is as the Rev E 90nm FX-55, it doesn't imply that.

We've been assuming it is the 4200+. I was hoping there was some basis for that assumption, and that sxs might comment.

andyhuang0308
03-14-2005, 06:17 PM
it is a revE K8-939 CPU (F13140 D43NK00) .....that's all I can tell....

Dexter
03-16-2005, 04:39 AM
I need a bigger wallet

MrQ3W
03-16-2005, 04:41 AM
I need a bigger wallet
Don't we all? ;)

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-16-2005, 06:41 AM
i have 2 cats... does that count?

:D lol :D

computerpro3
03-29-2005, 03:12 PM
:) Well I just read that 5april '05 will be day of introduction of new amd processors from AMD & fx-57/4200+ is believed to be amoung them. It is clearly admitted that new units will need bios update from mainboard 939 pin manufacurer, so i am confidant that first test pages show are accurate & true, I kind of figured that, yet as I too stated, bios dosn't report unknown (more modern than bios) processors correctly.
Study of mediciene is most important art to civilazation, oh sure there are millions of nvr'do wells who have ideas of self importance, Hon means killing with smile, phd means "cheatring is possible, I have no idea about subject", Rev. means I found new group of suckers, JD means i got caught at mediciene & want that hon. Judges ass. etc. So I'm use to profane comments. I am MEDICAL DOCTOR by GOVENORS' SIGNATURE. Its little differnt than you think, yet spare cats & tadpoles may go together, CHEMISTRY is prime subject of mediciene.I could go on, yet put L word on those who hate.
FX-59 is believed to be end of line for fx series, as dual core is so near. So fx-57 is mainly moving to 90 nm process & basicly entire fx series is about to retire from forefront within 6 months or so.I am glad sxs112 shared very confidential information.Keep letting us know so we can all keep count of whole trading bin of "DOCTOR" stuff, people.
Signed:Physician Thomas Stewart Von Drashek M.D. :toast:

Obviously your M.D. isn't anything remotley relating to the English language

saaya
03-29-2005, 03:56 PM
the 4200+ and fx57 will be san diego rev E4 and i think they will be released around april 15th, sorry if this is not news, but the last posts of this thread look like you didnt know it was a san diego rev E4. :D

computerpro3
03-29-2005, 04:14 PM
thnk the 4200 will hit 3.2 under a mach1 or should I go for the fx-57?

saaya
03-29-2005, 04:43 PM
"hit" meaning max screenshot speed? the 3800+ venice already did 3.5ghz on a mach2 gt for a screenshot :D

HARDCORECLOCKER
03-30-2005, 07:01 AM
"hit" meaning max screenshot speed? the 3800+ venice already did 3.5ghz on a mach2 gt for a screenshot :D

:confused: Where ??? :toast:

saaya
03-30-2005, 07:54 AM
:confused: Where ??? :toast:

steven posted a screenshot in the 3500+ preview thread, maybe also in the 3800+ thread, not sure about that.

Impaqt
03-31-2005, 08:21 AM
Yeah, the CPUID isn't going to help here, as really, there is NO DIFFERENCE (but for overclocking locked/unlocked) between the 4000+ and the FX-53, the 4200+ and the FX-55, and the 4400+ and the FX-57.

They are the same parts.
.

THe 4200+ is 90nm. The FX-55 is 130nm. thats NOT the same processor in any sense of the term.

Its mor likely thatthe 4200+ will be a FX-57 thats been downclocked on multi.

terrace215
03-31-2005, 08:55 AM
Sigh. The *90nm* FX-55, which showed up on disti lists as a future product last month.

That's the question: Is the sample a 4200+, or a 90nm FX-55? That is, how will it be branded? The former *implies* AMD will launch the FX-57 (at 2.8GHz) at the same time as the 4200+. If it is merely to be launched as the 90nm Rev E FX-55, no such implication is there, and it will probably be Q3 before we see the FX-57.

a.p.versteeg
04-04-2005, 12:38 PM
Like this one? :D

http://home.wanadoo.nl/a.p.versteeg/AMDEcore.JPG

charlie
04-04-2005, 12:41 PM
Like this one? :D

http://home.wanadoo.nl/a.p.versteeg/AMDEcore.JPG

ok :D you have our undivided attention, now how's it clock?

C

a.p.versteeg
04-04-2005, 12:43 PM
ok :D you have our undivided attention, now how's it clock?

C
Wait and we will see when we are alowed to show. :)

EvilWhiteDragon
04-04-2005, 01:20 PM
apversteeg I hate you :P ... why do you have to post pictures of it and you don't/can't OC it yet ?

trakslacker
04-04-2005, 03:18 PM
I believe he has OC'ed it and knows just waht it can do. However he cant tell the rest of us that just yet. ;)

Just get us the results as soon as you are allowed to. :toast:

Orthogonal
04-04-2005, 03:47 PM
a.p.versteeg do you really own that chip? Or did you just take the pic from someone who posted the same thing on that Dutch board someone referred to earlier. Are you the same person?

krampak
04-04-2005, 04:11 PM
He has the same nick, so I guess he is the same person... :p:

Thorry
04-05-2005, 02:18 AM
a.p.versteeg do you really own that chip? Or did you just take the pic from someone who posted the same thing on that Dutch board someone referred to earlier. Are you the same person?

He really has it...

Actually he has 2... :stick:

Viss
04-07-2005, 04:43 PM
According to himself this is a pic of its performance http://home.wanadoo.nl/a.p.versteeg/3300lowVcore.JPG

Concorde Rules
04-10-2005, 04:00 AM
Oooh thats looks soooo goood!

Im stuck here with my 5th rubbish winnie at 290x9, 166 divider :(

Im waiting for the 3700+ San Diago. Now that should be good :slobber: :slobber: :toast:

Concorde

GoriLLakoS
04-10-2005, 06:21 AM
when they will be finally out, ready for buy the 4200 chips??

Vincentvega18
04-10-2005, 11:49 PM
3.3 on stock volts...........and since when has cpu-z recognised the new cores?

a.p.versteeg
04-11-2005, 07:38 AM
3.3 on stock volts...........and since when has cpu-z recognised the new cores?

CPU-Z 1.28 is new and will recognice like you can see ;) .

groovetek
04-16-2005, 02:56 PM
hahah well your secret is out now... so much for that...

3.3g @1.4vcore is nuts though

cupra
04-17-2005, 10:05 PM
that is nice, but i think that we need to wait and see more benchmarking programs :D

Silvermirage
01-05-2007, 04:53 PM
Some of these things can be deleated, can't they?