View Full Version : MCP 650 VS MCP 600 rev2 noise review.
idleuser
02-01-2005, 06:12 PM
well I just got my mcp600 rev2 today and I must say it's almost slient, for those of you deciding which pump to get this is the one... it's by far more quiet than my MCP650 (aka D4 12v). Just giving those people a heads up who is looking to get a nice 12v pump to look into the aquaextreme. It's alot more quiet than the mcp650 I can provide short videoclips upon request if you like but I need someone to host :) Very very nice, i'm glad I made the switch! No more annoying noises yay!
MCP600 (http://www.lokaluxagenda.lu/XS/MCP600.avi) DD-D4-mcp650 (http://www.lokaluxagenda.lu/XS/MCP650-DD-D4.avi)
Thanks fallenangel!
MaxxxRacer
02-01-2005, 06:13 PM
idle user: thanks for the info. I was wondering about that. I will deffinetly add it to my pump sticky. Thanks for the info.
idleuser
02-01-2005, 06:17 PM
glad I can help a little :) Let me know if you want little sound clips or videoclips of it :) I got a 3.7m and a 4.2m video of each if someone can host it I can send it for a comparasion. :toast:
FallenAngel
02-01-2005, 07:27 PM
It's the info I needed, thanks, my pump is hurting my ears
MaxxxRacer
02-01-2005, 07:32 PM
hmm, i think i might be able to host it for your on my angelfire website..
idleuser
02-01-2005, 09:24 PM
just let me know if you want it or need it :) i'll be saving it on my computer.
vapb400
02-01-2005, 09:42 PM
i can host both. shoot me an email at chris.hughes89 at cox.net
Oh man, thanx for the review. Gonna switch D4 asap.
Edit: Went for DDC instead :)
idleuser
02-02-2005, 11:05 AM
email sent :) to fallenangel for videohosting and email will be sent to vapb400 as well!
idleuser
02-02-2005, 06:50 PM
sorry fallenangel I sent another one but the email isn't getting through, vap your mailbox rejected it since the attachment was too large.
vapb400
02-02-2005, 06:57 PM
hmm i thought it was a 10mb limit, try sending each individually, if that doesnt work i will hook u up w/ an FTP name for my server.
FallenAngel
02-03-2005, 03:03 AM
sorry fallenangel I sent another one but the email isn't getting through, vap your mailbox rejected it since the attachment was too large.
strange, 'cos for the last email I gave you I got unlimited quota, and I'm already doing what 'vap' said, as soon is finished I will sent you an email with everything
idleuser
02-03-2005, 10:58 AM
got you fallenangle i'm uploading now as we speak :)
FallenAngel
02-03-2005, 11:16 AM
Cool I got it already, just give me some minutes to configure and upload to my online server and then I will post them in this thread or perhaps you could put it in your first post ?
idleuser
02-03-2005, 11:24 AM
NO problem i'll edit it but it would be nice to include it in the pump section :)
FallenAngel
02-03-2005, 11:36 AM
Here it goes :
MCP600 (http://www.lokaluxagenda.lu/XS/MCP600.avi)
MCP650-DD-D4 (http://www.lokaluxagenda.lu/XS/MCP650-DD-D4.avi)
vapb400
02-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Nice Job! But from what I have read, the DD4 gets whinier at higher resistance (ie w/ several blocks/large radiator), so running the DD4 in your loop and the MCP600 just in a tub doesn't really give an accurate idea. Does the new MCP600 whine like that?
idleuser
02-03-2005, 05:41 PM
VAPB400: I will post another video with the blocks installed but as of now I'm a little bit busy trying to figure out with's wrong with my NEO2 but I will have that other video up as well!
MaxxxRacer
02-03-2005, 06:24 PM
idle, did u post in the amd forum.. if u did i will go check it out.. i got a neo2. might abe able to help.. its one hell of a screwy board but a good ocer..
idleuser
02-04-2005, 02:58 AM
Thanks maxxxracer I found out that it was the OCZ Powerstream 520w that didn't like my Neo2 all that much so i'm sending it back for an RMA. The strange thing is that it's a brand new PSU that was just RMA hahah.
MaxxxRacer
02-04-2005, 11:46 AM
yah some of hte neo2's dont do well with the ocz psu or the other way around. I was lucky and got both of them to work well. You should note that it wanst the psu and was infact that the board is fuxxored. its nothing big but has grounding issues. The ocz psu and the high end antecs have ground sensing that makes them shut down or not even turn on so that the system isnt running ungrounded..
jkabaseball
02-04-2005, 08:00 PM
I watched both. So is this one of the quitest pumps? Is there one quiter? I'm looking for a super quite pump. That sounded pritty faint. I havn't watercooled before, but am in the process or researching.
iboomalot
02-04-2005, 08:17 PM
want dead silent
get a 1048 and place it ontop of some bubble wrap (the large bubble type).
MaxxxRacer
02-04-2005, 09:10 PM
iboomalot, the 1048 is a good quality pump but highly not reccomended for performance watercooling. If you just going for silent and no so much for the OC, its fine, but it does not have the head pressure of flow to be truly effective in a watercooling loop.
btw, have you made any decisiosn after your wmd-15 incident?
iboomalot
02-05-2005, 06:21 AM
not yet one thing that I might consider is Iam using a MCW6002 and I might not need a huge pump due to it tappering off at higher pressures.
just seemed weird that with the WMD_15 my temps were 2c higher than the 1048.
wanting silence vs couple degrees cooler.
I figure right now iam 6c cooler than before 40c vs 46c thinking the weapon HC will drop that some more. Might try out another pump and see if it drops the temps.
SO what is silent when sitting on some bubble wrap / foam ??? if you hold the pump in your hand can you hear it??? Is it loud????
FallenAngel
02-05-2005, 08:11 AM
SO what is silent when sitting on some bubble wrap / foam ??? if you hold the pump in your hand can you hear it??? Is it loud????
I wanted to know that too, my Hydor L30 II is loud even in my hand or foam, from what I hear from the video, I imagine the MCP600 is better, 'cos my pump is louder than the MCP650
Jupiler
02-05-2005, 08:40 AM
Oh crap,
And I just ordered the DD12V-D4 pump from Dangerden. Has already shipped and should be here by monday.
Never thought that pump would be so loud. :(
qberrt95
02-05-2005, 09:04 AM
Ugh i get shivers when I hear that D4 pump. I had one for 6months and hated every second of its spine tingling pitch that seems to penetrate all other sounds.
MaxxxRacer
02-05-2005, 11:54 AM
jupiler you might want to return it and get the AquaExtreme 50z (mcp600). I thought I told you to get the mcp600 and not the mcp650? Did I not?
Jupiler
02-05-2005, 02:25 PM
jupiler you might want to return it and get the AquaExtreme 50z (mcp600). I thought I told you to get the mcp600 and not the mcp650? Did I not?
Nope, you didn't. ;)
Don't know if I'm gonna return it.
Shipping it back to DD would cost me around 30€. Damn'
idleuser
02-05-2005, 03:15 PM
The video of the mpc650 is an actual representation of the pump noise with the mcp650, I will have a clip up soon with the waterblocks installed on my system with just the waterblocks and mcp600 (aquaextreme 50z) I will update it soon sorry for the infair comparasion. I will have another clip of the mcp650 with just the same equal length tubing of the mcp600 I had and a bucket of water posted as well.
iboomalot
02-05-2005, 03:30 PM
do one with the pump in your hand so its not touching anthing and let us know how loud it is?
idleuser
02-05-2005, 05:41 PM
Iboomalot: I will do that when my other mcp600 arrives :) along with the mcp650.
iboomalot
02-05-2005, 05:46 PM
sweet thanks
FallenAngel
02-06-2005, 04:05 AM
:off:
@Iboomalot
I really like your name and your avatar, though I google "Anna Black" and all I had it's nothing about that gorgeous
MaxxxRacer
02-06-2005, 11:35 PM
angel, she does pr0n mainly... that pic is one of her pr0n shots...
jupiler its not woth 30 euros to get the mcp600.. its not THAT much better... dont worry about it..
FallenAngel
02-07-2005, 03:17 AM
angel, she does pr0n mainly... that pic is one of her pr0n shots...
A little bird told me already, thanks :D
iboomalot
02-07-2005, 07:08 AM
tweet tweet :D
MaxxxRacer
02-07-2005, 09:50 AM
Rofl
idleuser
02-09-2005, 10:49 PM
got my pump today I will test it soon enough.
FallenAngel
02-10-2005, 02:40 AM
If you need to host it, shoot me a pm or email
Jupiler
02-16-2005, 12:37 AM
Got the pump up and running.
I have to agree that it's pretty loud. The whining noise is driving me nuts.
DD's site states that the pump needs at least 6V to operate.
Maybe I can try to have it running at 7V through the molex', but it might take a big performance hit.
MaxxxRacer
02-16-2005, 08:31 PM
at 7 volts it will be a BIG performance hit... for having it at that voltage you might as well go with a different pump.
Jupiler
02-17-2005, 04:31 PM
Bwa, I'll leave it like it is and put some plugs in my ears.
iboomalot
02-17-2005, 05:05 PM
get the 350 unit and do the flow mod
anyone know how to tell the diffrence of a rev1 or rev2 Swiftech MCP600?
MaxxxRacer
02-19-2005, 10:12 PM
Fei, Let me be the first to welcome you to Xtreme Systems, where we kill hardware with Xtreme effeciency.
As to your question, I will ask BillA of swiftech, but to be honest, there arnt a whole lot of the rev1's in circulation. They have either failed (died due to usage) or are in someones rig. they are not for sale at retail outlets anymore, only the rev2 AquaExtreme 50Z's from cooltechnica are available now.
that said, I will ask bill.
RaptorRaider
02-20-2005, 12:42 AM
Could you also ask him why they replaced the MCP600 rev.2 for the MCP650?
The MCP650 seems to perform less, cost more and make more noise. The only reason I can think of is that the MCP650 has a longer MTBF.
MaxxxRacer
02-20-2005, 02:01 AM
actually if you look at the MTBF on laings website its 10k hours not 50k... (for the 650)
The reason it was changed was becuase of the bad rap the mcp600rev1 had.. ppl knew that the mcp600 was bad but wouldnt take the time to learn that the updated version didnt have the problems. So they moved on to a different pump altogether.
Ancient_1
02-20-2005, 07:01 AM
anyone know how to tell the diffrence of a rev1 or rev2 Swiftech MCP600?
The serial number of the rev2 mcp600 pumps start with an S is how you can tell the difference.
MaxxxRacer
02-20-2005, 03:24 PM
why thankyou ancient. Bill handt responded yet....
Phew, i'm glad i went for the 50Z instead of the mcp650. :)
MaxxxRacer
03-08-2005, 12:49 AM
lol.. I wont lead you astray.
FallenAngel
03-08-2005, 03:28 AM
and where can i find that 50Z in europe?
ed.howell
03-08-2005, 05:50 AM
Just replaced my DD 12v pump (MCP650) with a MCP600 and all I can say is WOW it is WAY quieter than the 650!!! That buzz of the 650 was getting annoying!!
and where can i find that 50Z in europe?
You can't. ;)
I ordered mine at cooltechnia.com
voigts
03-08-2005, 09:20 PM
I have the MCP 650 and with have it wrapped in sound foam and have the inside of my computer desk lined with sound foam so I really don't hear the whine thankfully. If I would have known about the sound issue I would have gone for the 50z when I bought it, but you know if it works, I'm not gonna fix it!
jinu117
03-08-2005, 09:24 PM
I have the MCP 650 and with have it wrapped in sound foam and have the inside of my computer desk lined with sound foam so I really don't hear the whine thankfully. If I would have known about the sound issue I would have gone for the 50z when I bought it, but you know if it works, I'm not gonna fix it!
Dumping more heat onto water? I don't know... (wrapped = no airflow to cool pump really well)
FallenAngel
03-08-2005, 11:53 PM
You can't. ;)
I ordered mine at cooltechnia.com
Thanks, I will pay them a visit
mouawad
03-09-2005, 01:27 AM
cooltechnica are great, my 50z took only 5 business days to get to the UK with USPS ....so no beefy courier charges either.
cooltechnica are great, my 50z took only 5 business days to get to the UK with USPS ....so no beefy courier charges either.
Great news!
Can't wait to get mine. :)
etekberg
03-09-2005, 08:48 AM
My aquaextreme 50z (MCP 600) is too loud for me. It makes my case rather noisy (it might be the vibrations more so than the actual noise from the pump). I have a Laing DDC (MCP 350) coming tomorrow to replace it. I really want a very quiet, but good to excellent performing system.
Semi-unrelated side note: With the MCP 600 and my HDPE reservoir the water splashes in the reservoir. That noise also drives me nuts. I've got a DD fill port coming to replace the reservoir as well.
jinu117
03-09-2005, 11:18 AM
My aquaextreme 50z (MCP 600) is too loud for me. It makes my case rather noisy (it might be the vibrations more so than the actual noise from the pump). I have a Laing DDC (MCP 350) coming tomorrow to replace it. I really want a very quiet, but good to excellent performing system.
Semi-unrelated side note: With the MCP 600 and my HDPE reservoir the water splashes in the reservoir. That noise also drives me nuts. I've got a DD fill port coming to replace the reservoir as well.
No pump will be quiet without proper vibration mounting. MCP600 is very quiet and not readily detectable vs MCP350 in cases deemed quiet. How is MCP600 mounted? If you followed the instruction given... bad. No metal should contact case, no screws in unless you grometted (even that is not good enough). Put big sponge type thing or... sorbothane (if you can find it) underneath pump. Make sure you don't make tubing so tight that it transmits all vibrations. You will have same problem with MCP350 unless above steps are taken.
etekberg
03-09-2005, 12:36 PM
No pump will be quiet without proper vibration mounting. MCP600 is very quiet and not readily detectable vs MCP350 in cases deemed quiet. How is MCP600 mounted? If you followed the instruction given... bad. No metal should contact case, no screws in unless you grometted (even that is not good enough). Put big sponge type thing or... sorbothane (if you can find it) underneath pump. Make sure you don't make tubing so tight that it transmits all vibrations. You will have same problem with MCP350 unless above steps are taken.
Thanks for the advice. I mounted the pump per the instructions with the supplied piece of foam like insulation and 2 screws with plastic nuts and washers. So you are saying the pump should not be screwed to the case. If yes, then what prevents it from sliding around and shorting out the motherboard or a pci card?
The MCP 350 is already on its way, so I will try that out also. I'll report back if it's significantly quieter.
jinu117
03-09-2005, 12:49 PM
Just use the doublesided tape. Key factor here is "isolating" the vibration from case. By tightning the screw you effectively joined the thing. Making whole case vibrate. One quick way to test is touch the furthest away part of case from pump and if you can feel it, that's guaranteed noise. MCP350 vibrates slightly lesser amount but without proper isolation, it will.
(I've got 3 watercooled rigs atm. 1 with 2 mcp600, 1 with single mcp600, 1 with mcp350, the ones with single pumps are for quieting the system more than anything else and they do sound similar about a foot or two away... not noticeble beyond that distance due to the fact they are in kitchen and living room which do have fridge in same open evnironment... loudest thing around there)...
idleuser
03-09-2005, 01:03 PM
Jinu117: you're wrong on the vibration... I mounted my mcp650 and mcp600... with 2 screws.. the reason why it doesn't vibrate is because the bottom plate is paded with a soft foam to absorb the vibration that the pump will gives out. I don't know about you but I like my things secure...
Psyche911
03-09-2005, 04:55 PM
jinu117 & etekberg,
I'm still not entirely set on MCP350 or 50z. I want quiet. That is the #1 goal. What are your experiences, jinu, with both pumps concerning sound?
etekberg, same question once you get the 350. :)
TIA
etekberg
03-12-2005, 01:21 PM
Well, my dangerden order came in. I opened up the pump box and surprise, it's a Laing D4 pump, and not the DDC I ordered. The also left out the tee i had ordered (bad DangerDen bad...) but I bought one from Home Depot instead.
So I did a side by side comparison of the 50z and the D4 outside the case similar to the video. As expected, the D4 definitely has a potentially annoying whine to it. Suprisingly, I noticed that that the 50z vibrates a lot more than the D4. When I held the 50z in my hand it vibrated my arm up to my elbow. The D4 in comparison vibrated very little. Maybe the D4 is better balanced?
I wound up suspending the 50z inside the case with some ghetto zip ties and I ditched the reservoir in favor of the fill port and tee line. The tee line fixed the splashing noise from the reservoir. The suspending of the pump got rid of the vibration noise entirely. The only unwarranted noise left is the noise from the air in the lines resulting from the tee line. I'm hoping it goes away after a few days. Even if it doesn't it is still a lot quieter than the splashing water in the reservoir it replaced.
I also switched to the McMaster 7/16 inch ID hose. A much tighter fit and easier bending than the 1/2 inch ID clearflex I used before. Not to mention a much better price :)
All in all I'll probably just keep the 50z in place. I can't imagine the DDC being appreciably quieter.