New Liquid For Submerging PC Parts??

[Kunaak]

today I was reading the november 29th 2004 issue of Time Magazine.
about 3/4ths of the way through the magazine was something that really caught my attention.
I did go research it online and unfortunatly I can't find anything that would clearly let me know I could play with this stuff for sumberging computer parts.

heres some quotes from the exact article.
it's a picture that looks like someones pouring water on a laptop, but the laptop is fine, apparantly this liquid, is nothing like water, and once you remove whatever you submerge in this fluid, it's not wet, at all...

Quote.

From Time Magazine, Nov. 29 2004.


"it looks like water, it pours, flows and sloshes like water. But it doesn't get things wet. it's name is 3M Novec 1230 Fire Protection Fluid, and it's chemical formula looks like alphabet soup. (it's technically a flourinated ketone, whatever that means) But you can dunk a laptop computer in it, and it will come out bone dry and working fine. That makes this wonder fluid perfect for putting out fires in offices, computer rooms and museums. Just don't try drinking it"

well, I went to Google and enterd 2 phrases.

3M Novec 1230 and Fire Protection Fluid.

I couldn't find anything other then really non specific information, and made it sound more like this stuff was a new gas meant for phase change systems or something...

but in this article, it's clearly a liquid. it's also being talked about in the article as a liquid, not a gas, so the stuff I read on the 3M site wasn't really helpful.

but it is interesting enough to pass on here for some more curious about submersion cooling.
anyways, heres some links I found.

www.tycofireandsecurity.com

apparantly they have something to do with this fluid, and this link is given from the article, however, I found absolutly nothing about this on thier site. maybe you can get a better idea of what to look for.

Heres the 3M Link. (http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/safety/-/node_X3J6GVKMT1be/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_JK2H54P6GNge/gvel_FPHS1L88FDgl/command_AbcPageHandler/theme_us_fireprotectionfluid_3_0)

[Butcher_]

Some discussion here (from last april): http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=9364

[JSU]

http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebserver.dyn?KKKKKKtrCWZKdnLK8nLKKKXWRvGjjjj i-

looks like awsome stuff. freezes at -108c :)

[Jayfaas]

thats awesome!

[dippyskoodlez]

check out the opti-cool, alpha-1, alpha-2 from DSI fluids... I'm thinking about trying some.. charlie used opti-cool with his ln2 project..

would like to see how well it would take a submerged PC. :D

($190 for 5 gal pails ) :)

[charlie]

My next experiment will be with the "lack" of air to condense.... maybe a chamber I can purge with N2 or Helium.

C

[JSU]

you can do that thing that those people from argentina or whtvr did. they had the ln2 evaporate inside a closed bog with some compressors pulling n2 out so the box was filled with only n2

[bxa121]

ok did some searching....

some info from fox tv
http://www.foxchicago.com/dynamic/story.asp?category=62

"Novec is stored in liquid canisters, and is designed to be used with the company's special sprinkler system. It takes up less space, but is about a third more expensive that traditional water or gas systems, costing around $30 to $40 a square foot. The company says it's currently being used in some hospitals, libraries and telecommunication centers. To find out more, visit 3M and enter Novec as your keyword, or call Ansul at 1-800-TO-ANSUL."

phone him i guess... lol

another news linky: http://hackinthebox.org/article.php?sid=12939

http://www.chemikalien.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=26096
heres a link of some german chemists talking about it--- i think. only transelated it using google, not much use tho. maybe a german dude can get more out of it???

used this in google.com and got some of this info... “chemical search engine 3M Novec 1230”

some info onis properties http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4487

properties of novec from 3M (mnuacturer) :
http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/safety/-/node_X3J6GVKMT1be/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_JK2H54P6GNge/gvel_FPHS1L88FDgl/command_AbcPageHandler/theme_us_fireprotectionfluid_3_0


3M™ Novec™ 1230 Fire Protection Fluid
Typical Physical Properties (Not for specification purposes)
Chemical formula CF3CF2C(O)CF(CF3)2
Molecular weight 316.04
Boiling point @ 1 atm 49.2°C (120.6°F)
Freezing point -108°C (-162.4°F)
Density, sat. liquid, 25°C 1.60 g/ml (99.9 lbm/ft3)
Density, gas @ 1 atm, 25°C 0.0136 g/ml (0.851 lbm/ft3)
Specific volume @ 1 atm, 25°C 0.0733 m3/kg (1.175 ft3/lb)
Liquid viscosity @ 0°C/25°C 0.56/0.39 centistokes
Heat of vaporization @ BP 88.0 kJ/kg (37.9 BTU/lb)
Solubility of H2O in Novec 1230 fluid <0.001% by wt.
Vapor pressure @ 25°C 0.404 bar (5.87 psig)
Relative dielectric strength @ 1 atm (N2=1.0) 2.3

maybe someone beat us to it.....not sure if its the same chemical tho...
http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?caller=articles/submersion/submersion.html

maybe we can improve on the above???

[musk]

If its this stuff (http://www3.3m.com/search/ww/en001/keywordsearch.do?searchValue=flourinert&filters=ca%2F1%2Fcat%2Fproductweb&filters=ca%2F1%2Fcat%2F3m)

I have put my finger in it. Its really bizarre. I think its $bling$

musk

[Aphex_Tom_9]

If its this
I have put my finger in it. Its really bizarre. I think its $bling$

oh, and did you lick your finger after and go "mmmmm" ? ;)

[Sike]

I think thats some kind of liquid with the water propreties and without conducting energy.

[Tha SmokaH]

My son poured a Mt Dew. down my fan hole in my P4C800 deluxe..it got all over the mobo and my 9800pro video card..being freaked and not knowing what to do..i stuck the motherboard and 9800pro in my dishwasher..on high heat water with no soap..afer it was done washing i let it dry out for two days and put it back together..and it worked fine..the cool thing is..it still works now..2 years later.

[Aphex_Tom_9]

My son poured a Mt Dew. down my fan hole in my P4C800 deluxe..it got all over the mobo and my 9800pro video card..being freaked and not knowing what to do..i stuck the motherboard and 9800pro in my dishwasher..on high heat water with no soap..afer it was done washing i let it dry out for two days and put it back together..and it worked fine..the cool thing is..it still works now..2 years later.
1- why did he do that!?
2- was the thing on?
3- i dont believe you
4- really?
5- c'mon...dishwaser...?

[NeGe0]

That sapphire stuff is old...

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/bown/2004/generalinnovation/article/0,22221,768056,00.html

It's chemical formula is very interesting. It's a carbon based liquid.

[[XC] moddolicous]

Can you cool a hard drive and stuff in here? I was thinking of trying this, but instead I would put my hard drive & PSU in the liquid as well. I know you can’t do it with a CD drive and floppy, but maybe a hard drive? Also, would it pay off to put like a device in the back spot on each (i.e. fill the USB slots with USB cables that lead nowhere) stuff like that.

[dippyskoodlez]

Can you cool a hard drive and stuff in here? I was thinking of trying this, but instead I would put my hard drive & PSU in the liquid as well. I know you can’t do it with a CD drive and floppy, but maybe a hard drive? Also, would it pay off to put like a device in the back spot on each (i.e. fill the USB slots with USB cables that lead nowhere) stuff like that.


HDD= NO NO

PSU maybe.. id imagine it might be OK...

I'd put an extender on all of the i/o ports to an outside port, so it'd be easy to plug/unplug things.

[AcEmAsTr]

HDD has a hole in, getting anything in there is not good at all, psu would be fine, maybe best keeping it out though

[[XC] moddolicous]

Ok, so hard drive is a no-go, and PSU is a possibility. Is there anything else that I might be able to put in the liquid, and would I gan anything from putting the PSU in the liquid. I thought about this since most PSU'd have a peak output at lower temps, maybe it would work.

[dippyskoodlez]

Ok, so hard drive is a no-go, and PSU is a possibility. Is there anything else that I might be able to put in the liquid, and would I gan anything from putting the PSU in the liquid. I thought about this since most PSU'd have a peak output at lower temps, maybe it would work.

You probably would-- if you submerged a pc like I would, and basicly use thw submersion liquid as the resevoir of a waterchiller.. :slobber:

My SL350 does great with room temps.. when its cold it stays just as nice! :)