BH-5 vs TCCD @ 300+

[Zeus]

For a long time i've been wondering how TCCD at 300+MHz would do against all tweaked out BH-5 at let's say ~260MHz in benches.

Today i finally found some time to do a little compare. :)

Testbed:
Mobo: DFI LanParty UT NF3 250GB
CPU: 3400+ NewCastle s754 (watercooled)
PSU: Enermax 465watt 3.3V @ 3.5V
RAM: 1x512mb OCZ EL PC3200 rev2 TCCD/ 1x256mb Kingston HyperX BH-5
OS: Windows 2000 SP2

I have tried to keep the CPU speed the same in all benches ~2860MHz.

Let's start with the BH-5, i have to admit this is only one stick of 256mb though.

PiFast @ 11x260 1,5-2-2-5 1T:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23282&stc=1
As you can see, the timings are pretty tight.

SuperPi 1M @ 11x260 1,5-2-2-5 1T:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23283&stc=1
Note the 31.578 seconds in process timer. ;)

Now the TCCD, this is one stick of 512mb.

PiFast @ 317,8x9 2,5-3-3-7 1T:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23284&stc=1

SuperPi 1M @ 316,5x9 2,5-3-3-7 1T:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23285&stc=1

I Haven't done any 3d benches cause at the moment i'm running a crappy GF4 ti4200 :(

[charlie]

that makes quite a statement to the "beat their chest" guys who say BH5/VX + tight timings @ 260 is better than tccd @ 300+
So maybe 270, 2-2-5 is EQUAL to tccd @ 317??

C

[Zeus]

that makes quite a statement to the "beat their chest" guys who say BH5/VX + tight timings @ 260 is better than tccd @ 300+
So maybe 270, 2-2-5 is EQUAL to tccd @ 317??

C

Sounds about right, 10x286 with the BH-5 would have probably killed the TCCD but my BH-5 couldn't do that, who's can?

[perry_78]

Sounds about right, 10x286 with the BH-5 would have probably killed the TCCD but my BH-5 couldn't do that, who's can?

Yeah good point. Good BH5 or good VX would have completely killed the TCCD :)

[bias_hjorth]

guys remember you´re looking at the single channel platform - the results is pretty good - tweak the os etc a write of a sec. pretty good for 2.9ghz :slobber: And its only a 512kb cache cpu - The results are actually very good!

[Ulti]

But then again, who has TCCD that does 317mhz? My OCZ rev2 stops at 288 :rolleyes: My UTT can do 220 2-2-2-5 at 3.1V, waiting for that booster to arrive :toast:

[enzoR]

quite a few have TCCD that can do over 310... Gskill ect. doesnt 256vs512 make a difference?

[Formann]

Nice .. but like some say; Whos got TCCD that can do 317Mhz 2.5-3-3 ?

Most TCCD wont even do 290-300 2.5-3-3

The OCZ Rev2 i tested hit the wall at 260 2.5-3-3. I know thats a bit low, but im guessing the avrage for TCCD is 270-280 somewhere??

If you feel up to it, run the TCCD tests again at 280-290Mhz :)

[Marquzz]

Yeah, it's much more common to see BH-5 doing 260 2-2-2 (or 1.5-2-2) then TCCD (or whatever) do 317 2.5-3-3. As a matter of fact, very few rams can do over 300 with 2.5-3-3. The only ones I've seen doing that is those that OPB and that other guy presents, and well, they have a few to pick from don't they?

[Mag Master 21]

What makes things more interesting is the fact that pifast is partially reliant on the amount of ram the setup has. A 512mb system, all things equal, should yield a lower time than a 256mb system. The small gain the tccd over the bh-5, with double the amount of ram, makes things interesting. I think in 3dmark will show similar results, as Oppainter seems to think his 2x512 VX helped to raise his score..

[Rabbi_NZ]

Im putting my money on VX winning 3D.

Everyone already knew TCCD was better for SuperPI, its very bandwidth dependant.

[EDIT]
9x270 (2430MHz) 2.0-2-2
vs
8x304 (2432MHz) 2.5-3-3

would be interesting... but I think SuperPI might still win

[[XC] moddolicous]

How many volta do u have on the BH-5. Also, like someone said if you had good BH-5, than they would probably kill the TCCD.

[quicksilverXP]

In games I've observed that the higher HTT, with alright timings (2.5-3-3-7) was even better than running 270HTT 1:1 at 2-2-2-5 with BH-5s.

[kickassclone]

vx and bh-5 need massive volts to do that though. tccd doesn't need the voltage to do stock timings.

Who runs 3.6 volts through their memory in a system 24/7?

Running 3.0 volts through the mem heats it up like an inferno. I would hate to see how hot 3.6 volts makes it.

[Rabbi_NZ]

who runs 317 2.5-3-3 24/7 though?
a LOT of people run 260+ 2-2-2 24/7...

[Radelon]

To be honest you are putting the BH-5 behind from the start....260htt compared to 317 is a big difference.... to do this adaquately you would need to run the bh5 on a divider which in fact would be somewhere in the 320-330 range.

My OCZ 3500EB will beat my OCZ 4200 EL Plat (TCCD) across the board. My EB will do 266 3-2-2-7 would definitely beat both your tested ram. I have some VX on the way, we'll see how that stacks up.

[Zeus]

Nice .. but like some say; Whos got TCCD that can do 317Mhz 2.5-3-3 ?

Most TCCD wont even do 290-300 2.5-3-3

The OCZ Rev2 i tested hit the wall at 260 2.5-3-3. I know thats a bit low, but im guessing the avrage for TCCD is 270-280 somewhere??

If you feel up to it, run the TCCD tests again at 280-290Mhz :)

I thinks there's more TCCD capable of 300+ around than most people think.
Most often the CPU's memcontroller is the showstopper.

For example, with my old 3400+ClawHammer and this very same stick of TCCD everything over 270MHz was unstable.....go figure. ;)


What makes things more interesting is the fact that pifast is partially reliant on the amount of ram the setup has. A 512mb system, all things equal, should yield a lower time than a 256mb system. The small gain the tccd over the bh-5, with double the amount of ram, makes things interesting. I think in 3dmark will show similar results, as Oppainter seems to think his 2x512 VX helped to raise his score..

Your argument only hold truth if the mobo supports bank interleaving, guess what this mobo does? :D

Guys, i never meant to degrade BH-5 or praise TCCD, i just wanted to show how those compare.

Admittedly, it's very good TCCD against average BH-5.
I could only throw 3.4V at the BH-5, since the PSU shuts down if i try to raise the 3.3V rail over 3.5V :( (which is actually 3.72V according to my DMM)
No booster here.

[Tim]

vx and bh-5 need massive volts to do that though. tccd doesn't need the voltage to do stock timings.

Who runs 3.6 volts through their memory in a system 24/7?

Running 3.0 volts through the mem heats it up like an inferno. I would hate to see how hot 3.6 volts makes it.

----> Xtreme systems.org <----- :D

But I would really want to see some life like benches, like in games. :)

[MarilynMX]

not intend to be silly I'd rather run TCCD during summer and VX with massive volts in winter, it's -20c here and I have to keep my window opened lol seriously addtional fan won't help me surviving heat at all. (yes am talking about people not machine)
anyway much appreciate for the test&time you spent!

[Korpse]

WOW
Jeus are you water cooled? my 3400NC on air does 2.66 its a 0440 - whats urs?


*really starts to consider WCing :p

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D O.K. - here we can compare TCCD with BH-5 in DC on a 939 platform,

both 2 x 256, first the G.SKILL 4800LA:

http://de.geocities.com/hardcoreclocker/Screen3360.JPG

And now the CORSAIR 3200LLPT BH-5:

http://de.geocities.com/hardcoreclocker/Corsair275.JPG

As You can see they perform almost at the same bandwith and SuperPi time,
BH-5 needs 5 MHz less for it. To push up the HTT to 300 or more will give You only an advantage if You don't have to drop the multi, but not many people can do 12 x 300. 11 x 300 will not be faster than 12 x 280 - even slower beacause of losing the timings at that high HTT.

Note: If You can't see the pics, try later again, there will be to much access on my HP sometimes.

:toast:

[MarilynMX]

awesome benches! stock timings at DDR600 are 2.5-4-4-8 right?

[Tim]

:D O.K. - here we can compare TCCD with BH-5 in DC on a 939 platform,
:toast:

Pic's don't work for me?

[bias_hjorth]

Very nice results hardcoreclocker - Are these results on the prommy?

[Marquzz]

People are talking about rasing HTT and running BH-5 with divider. Well, I did that with my BH-5 and DFI DLI-DR.

10x270 2-2-2 1:1 (LDT @ 1080) v 7x385 2-2-2 7:10 (LDT @ 1155)

And 10x270 was faster in both sandra and everest. Didn't take any ss but then again I though that this was common knowledge.

[jikdoc]

my own personal experience with this is that it takes about 30mHz extra for 2.5-3-3 timings to equal 2-2-2. that is 2-2-2 @ 250 is equivalent to 2.5-3-3 @ 280

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

Very nice results hardcoreclocker - Are these results on the prommy?

:D THX bias - yes done with MACH II GT:

IDLE -63°C / Normal load -56°C / full load -52°C

@MarilynMX:

Ya' right, stock timings of G.SKILL 4800LA is 2,5-4-4-8 at 300.

AGAIN for all who didn't read: If pics do not work try later - sometimes to much access on my HP.

:toast:

[Zeus]

WOW
Jeus are you water cooled? my 3400NC on air does 2.66 its a 0440 - whats urs?

*really starts to consider WCing :p

Yes, just with plain water, CPU is a 0434MPMW, a serious kickass one.
Here's some more:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Z3us/Desktopbenches.jpg

@HARDCORECLOCKER,
The BH-5 has a little disadvantage at CPU speed in your benches but good info anyway.
Could you repeat those benches with the same CPU speed and Process Timer running? ;)



People are talking about rasing HTT and running BH-5 with divider. Well, I did that with my BH-5 and DFI DLI-DR.

10x270 2-2-2 1:1 (LDT @ 1080) v 7x385 2-2-2 7:10 (LDT @ 1155)

And 10x270 was faster in both sandra and everest. Didn't take any ss but then again I though that this was common knowledge.

I didn't get that divider thing myself. :confused:
Good you brought it up, i was thinking the same but forgot all about it. ;)

[perry_78]

Ah well. I still like TCCD, i think they're much "safer" to run in a 24/7 rig. Giving those volts to BH5 and UTT sounds rather risky ;)

[Ulti]

Let me explain the reason why i got UTT.
I've a 3200+ C0 claw, it clocks quite well seeing I can run 2600mhz at watercooling. It has a rotten memcontroller so anything above 266mhz fails (yes I've tried TCCD that can do 280+). I had a gig of OCZ rev2 so running 10x263 2.5-3-3-6 1T was okish. I had the opportunity to trade my OCZ for a nice Asus 6800GT 128mb so I could get some UTT. My 44D UTT will probably run 260 2-2-2-5 when I get my Booster here, if not 250mhz shouldn't be a problem. I figured 250 2-2-2-5 is better then 263 2.5-3-3-5. And I also got a nice 6800GT without having to pay anything for it :toast: If your CPU can't do 280+ UTT just looks like the best solution to me.

[Zeus]

Let me explain the reason why i got UTT.
I've a 3200+ C0 claw, it clocks quite well seeing I can run 2600mhz at watercooling. It has a rotten memcontroller so anything above 266mhz fails (yes I've tried TCCD that can do 280+). I had a gig of OCZ rev2 so running 10x263 2.5-3-3-6 1T was okish. I had the opportunity to trade my OCZ for a nice Asus 6800GT 128mb so I could get some UTT. My 44D UTT will probably run 260 2-2-2-5 when I get my Booster here, if not 250mhz shouldn't be a problem. I figured 250 2-2-2-5 is better then 263 2.5-3-3-5. And I also got a nice 6800GT without having to pay anything for it :toast: If your CPU can't do 280+ UTT just looks like the best solution to me.

Nice trade man!
I agree 10x250 2-2-2-5 will perform better than 10x263 2,5-3-3-5.
In my case the TCCD was the better choice but if i had some BH-5 that could do 286 there's no doubt which would dominate. ;)

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D It's always a good idea to keep some BH-5 for future - someday You might need 'em.

:toast:

[Rabbi_NZ]

I agree 10x250 2-2-2-5 will perform better than 10x263 2,5-3-3-5.
I highly doubt it...
maybe 10x250 2-2-2 (2500 MHz) would out perform 9x277 2.5-3-3 (2500 MHz), but 10x263 2.5-3-3 has 130 MHz advantage on the CPU... Im pretty sure it would win out every time.

[Zeus]

I highly doubt it...
maybe 10x250 2-2-2 (2500 MHz) would out perform 9x277 2.5-3-3 (2500 MHz), but 10x263 2.5-3-3 has 130 MHz advantage on the CPU... Im pretty sure it would win out every time.

Please, don't make me test it. :D ;)

[Rabbi_NZ]

Please, don't make me test it. :D ;)
hahahahahaha, looks like there's only one way to be sure!

[jumanji969]

vx and bh-5 need massive volts to do that though. tccd doesn't need the voltage to do stock timings.

Who runs 3.6 volts through their memory in a system 24/7?

Running 3.0 volts through the mem heats it up like an inferno. I would hate to see how hot 3.6 volts makes it.

3.0v hardly gets bh-5 hot. :banana::banana::banana::banana: 3.3v with limited air flow over bh-5 is usually fine.

[bachus_anonym]

It would be better to see this kind of comparison:

BH5 @ 286x10 5:6 (divider166) vs TCCD @ 286x10 1:1 (divider200)

48Mhz instead of 57Mhz (238Mhz vs 286Mhz) difference in memory clock would most likely give equal times or very close to it.

BTW: nice TCCD you got there, Zeus :thumbsup:

[felinusz]

What kills me is so many people calling your 260 MHz, 2-2-2, with BH-5 "bad" :D. Pretty decent for only 3.4V if you ask me - those sticks have at least another 10 MHz in them Zeus, at 3.6V, 270 should be possible :).

Interesting comparison here, thanks for posting it Zeus. Would you be able to post some simple game benchmarks with the same settings?


I would like to see an in-depth comparison between 2-2-2 timings, and a "maxed out" set of BH-5 running ~270, with some 2.5-3-3 TCCD doing ~320, at similar clock speeds. The goal being, to find the drop off point, what exactMHz increase, at 2.5-3-3 is needed to overcome 2-2-2.



The new G-Skill DDR600 can do such high speeds fairly consistantly with 2.5-3-3 timings, and with low voltage to boot.


I am a little perplexed with so many people saying that "not many people are running 2.5-3-3 with TCCD, at DDR600+ 24/7", do these people not realize that very very soon, a whole heck of a lot of people will be running such memory speeds 24/7? DDR600 is upon us, and it flies like a bat out of hell.



Originally Posted by kickassclone

Who runs 3.6 volts through their memory in a system 24/7?

I did for a while, as do many others. BH-5 can take this kind of voltage, if you actively cool it.

[Zeus]

Thanks for the kind words guys. :) :toast:

I didn't want to do any divider stuff as this always kills performance, and 1:1 is what most of us run--i know i do. ;)
Neither did i bother with the TCCD running it below 300MHz, imho running TCCD under 300MHz doesn't justify the slack timings, in other words, one would be better off with VX/BH-x.

But, if i can find some time i will do some more tests to find out at what exact speeds both mem will match.

Like suggested by some, i think the TCCD needs some 30MHz extra to match the BiatcH-5 with it's tight timings, give or take a few MHz depending on the benchmark.

Actually, i mainly did this test to show that BH-5/VX isn't always the answer to our quest.
In this specific case the TCCD was the better choice and can only be equaled or topped by some magic BH-5 that runs 286MHz. :eek:

I'm not a fanboy of both, i just like to have the best performance. ;)

[zakelwe]

Do you get much gain with the bh-5 on pifast if you set TrTw to 1 rather than 2 ?

Regards

Andy

[blinky]

picking two numbers and comparing performance doesnt allow us to draw any conclusions at all except that in that exact setup, or in the same extremes (less bh5 clocks, more tccd clocks) the same results are true.... but that doesnt tell us anything

could someone run extensive tests and find teh equilibrium point (approximately) where bh5 @ 2-2-2, is equal to tccd @ 2.5-3-3, and what i would use as a benchmark is 300mhz on the tccd, seeing as most people can hit around that, but most cant hit much more on 2.5-3-3,

if someone wants to do lots of work they could see where 2.5-4-3 matches bh5, prolly a couple mhz higher than 2.5-3-3

[NapalmV5]

Anyone run 2 gigs 4x512 of TCCD @ 300/300+ ?

[saaya]

Sounds about right, 10x286 with the BH-5 would have probably killed the TCCD but my BH-5 couldn't do that, who's can?

i know a guy who has a 256mb bh6 stick that does 280 with 3.6v :D
but yeah, thinking about the average oc tccd beats low latency memory... :/

[Formann]

i know a guy who has a 256mb bh6 stick that does 280 with 3.6v :D
but yeah, thinking about the average oc tccd beats low latency memory... :/

I know one to :D

A Twinmos 256mb 280 @ 3.6v and a Twinmos 256 280 @ 3.75v .. need 3.78v for 280 DC tight.

280 2-2-2-5-7-12-2-2-1-1 .. need some SERIOUS kickass TCCD to beat that.

[[XC] serlv]

But then again, who has TCCD that does 317mhz? My OCZ rev2 stops at 288 :rolleyes: My UTT can do 220 2-2-2-5 at 3.1V, waiting for that booster to arrive :toast:

A little OT, but have been looking for an answer to this, as I've seen it a lot lately - What, exactly, is UTT?

BTW, nice OC's, Zeus.
Very informative comparison., too

[Marquzz]

I didn't get that divider thing myself. :confused:
Good you brought it up, i was thinking the same but forgot all about it. ;)

Well, first I ran 10x270 with ram 1:1 with 2-2-2 timings, 4xLDT then I lowered the multi and raised the FSB and ran 7:10 ram divider so 7x385 and LDTx3, because of the ram divider of 7:10 the ram was clocked at almost the same speed as scenario 1 (270), 385/10 * 7 = ~270. And the cpu was also at the same speed, 385*7 = ~2700. So in both scenarios cpu and ram had the exact same settings, only the fsb and htt was raised. So even with fsb and htt much higher I still got lower scores in both sandra and everest.

Hoped that cleared things out :)

Summery:
Scenario 1:
10x270 (2700), 2-2-2 (270), 1:1 4xLDT

Scenario 2:
7x385 (2695), 2-2-2 (269.5), 7:10 3xLDT

[Ulti]

A little OT, but have been looking for an answer to this, as I've seen it a lot lately - What, exactly, is UTT?

BTW, nice OC's, Zeus.
Very informative comparison., too

The newest WinBond chip, it stand for UnTesTed. It's revised CH5 if I'm correct.

[eva2000]

can you add 3d2k3 benchies to the original comparison ?

[Zeus]

Do you get much gain with the bh-5 on pifast if you set TrTw to 1 rather than 2 ?

Regards

Andy

To be honest, i don't know, i never used anything but 2.


I know one to :D

A Twinmos 256mb 280 @ 3.6v and a Twinmos 256 280 @ 3.75v .. need 3.78v for 280 DC tight.

280 2-2-2-5-7-12-2-2-1-1 .. need some SERIOUS kickass TCCD to beat that.

Lucky b@stards :D i can't shove more than 3.4V up mine. :mad:


can you add 3d2k3 benchies to the original comparison ?

I could but i don't think you would want to see them, done with a GF4ti4200 :D

[saaya]

%age is %age... whether the number is small or huge :P

[k|ngp|n]

the high htt is giving the tccd an advantage.
Do some comparisons with 340-350x10 and 166div with bh-5(270-280) and max a64 tweaker settings. It stomps tccd :)

[Zeus]

the high htt is giving the tccd an advantage.
Do some comparisons with 340-350x10 and 166div with bh-5(270-280) and max a64 tweaker settings. It stomps tccd :)

And run the TCCD at 340-350 1:1? :confused:
No way this TCCD can do that.
Neither can my watercooled CPU do 3400-3500MHz so i cannot test what you just said.

What makes you think BH-5 on a divider will stomp TCCD?
Did you try?

I'm not trying to argue that BH-5 at 270-280 is real fast but taking for granted it will annihilate all is a bit BH-5 biased, don't you think?

From the comparisations i've seen or done myself i can conclude that TCCD at 300MHz 2,5-3-3-7 1T can keep up with BH-5 at 270MHz 2-2-2-5 1T, perhaps you should give TCCD a little more credit?

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

And run the TCCD at 340-350 1:1? :confused:
No way this TCCD can do that.Neither can my watercooled CPU do 3400-3500MHz so i cannot test what you just said.

What makes you think BH-5 on a divider will stomp TCCD?
Did you try?

I'm not trying to argue that BH-5 at 270-280 is real fast but taking for granted it will annihilate all is a bit BH-5 biased, don't you think?

From the comparisations i've seen or done myself i can conclude that TCCD at 300MHz 2,5-3-3-7 1T can keep up with BH-5 at 270MHz 2-2-2-5 1T, perhaps you should give TCCD a little more credit?

:slobber: Never say never...............:

TCCD 1:1 -----------> 345,9 MHz !!! (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50407&page=1)

:explode:

[Zeus]

:slobber: Never say never...............:

TCCD 1:1 -----------> 345,9 MHz !!! (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50407&page=1)

:explode:

LOL, i was just talking about giving TCCD some more credit. :D

[k|ngp|n]

And run the TCCD at 340-350 1:1? :confused:
No way this TCCD can do that.
Neither can my watercooled CPU do 3400-3500MHz so i cannot test what you just said.

What makes you think BH-5 on a divider will stomp TCCD?
Did you try?

I'm not trying to argue that BH-5 at 270-280 is real fast but taking for granted it will annihilate all is a bit BH-5 biased, don't you think?

From the comparisations i've seen or done myself i can conclude that TCCD at 300MHz 2,5-3-3-7 1T can keep up with BH-5 at 270MHz 2-2-2-5 1T, perhaps you should give TCCD a little more credit?

Your right. 300x10 vs 270x10 is comparable, but the tccd still is using the higher htt on the mobo which gives it an advantage. In other words, 270mem speed max timings and 300mem speed max timings puts bh5 at a slight disadvantage. Run 340htt with 166 div and ram at 270 or so, and the bh5 scores benefit from running the higher htt, even on the 166div.

I'm purely talking from standpoint of 270 vs 300 forget the cpu divider and 1:1 to 1:1 comparison for now.
and you dont have to have 3400mhz cpu speed to run at 340htt with 166div and 270mem speed on bh5 ;). Keep in mind this wasnt with any ram timing tweaks, just 6-2-2-1 in bios. If there were, the score would be better no doubt about it as these and most bh5 can run much better using a64 tweaker.
Is there any ram period that can match these results?? Not 100% sure, but i dont think so. Tccd at 340 1:1 would have to have horrible timings im thinking and not come close. I am also not 100% sure if using 8 divider does anything to ram, but the fact that they still needed 3.5v to run that pifast tells me they were running full tilt.
fx55, neo2, hyperx3200 bh5
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/2517856/82964880.jpg

Maybe for the average user tccd is a viable option, but for top scores in benches and 3d mainly, bh5 still ownz IMO.

I still enjoyed your post very much tho :) I love comparisons like this and I know how much testing goes into it. thx.

[Zeus]

Hehe, thanks man. ;)

I understand your argument about the TCCD benefit from the higher HTT but don't you think using a divider kills the advantage of the higher HTT?

To be honest i haven't tried any 3d benches so i cannot speak for that but i saw OPB doing a compare with BH-5 @ 11x273 vs TCCD @ 10x300 and Lobby high was about equal.

About your PiFast score, i definately wouldn't bet my virginity that TCCD @ 9x311 (=2800MHz) 1T 1:1 won't match or even top that score. :D

Like i said TCCD needs about 30 more MHz to match BH-5, so it will be a close call... :)

I'm glad you enjoyed the thread and thanks for your input.

[k|ngp|n]

I just thought of a scenario where tccd might have a chance :P
If you were to run say 360+htt with 166div and max timings on tccd or around 340htt with 183div on tccd. that would put it around 300-310 with tight timings, no? Is it possible to run some benches like that? You'll prolly need around 2.9ghz with lower divider I think.

[Zeus]

I just thought of a scenario where tccd might have a chance :P
If you were to run say 360+htt with 166div and max timings on tccd or around 340htt with 183div on tccd. that would put it around 300-310 with tight timings, no? Is it possible to run some benches like that? You'll prolly need around 2.9ghz with lower divider I think.

Unfortunately, no.
I just tried to boot at 320 1/2 divider, a no-go. :(
Now i understand why i could do 2.9GHz easy with BH-5 at 11 multi and anything over 315 with a 9 multi are unstable, it's just the CPU not liking anything over 315. :mad:

It's not the board, i've booted up till 420 on this board with a ClawHammer.

Time to explore the max of the CPU i guess. :)

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

LOL, i was just talking about giving TCCD some more credit. :D

:D Good idea - it mostly depends also on the board - my NEO2 does not go much above 300 1:1 even with the G.SKILL LA so my hopes are on DFI NF4.

Ya see it also in my BH-5 tests, I used MUSHKIN & CORSAIR and both maxed out exactly at the same speed of 275 MHz with 2-2-2-5, not 274 or 276, both exactly at 275.

This indeed is a sign for board is maxing out, not RAM so it it always important to check all the other components before blaming the RAM.....

:toast:

[Mag Master 21]

Do you get much gain with the bh-5 on pifast if you set TrTw to 1 rather than 2 ?

Regards

Andy

You know it's funny because I tried out the different settings..

With cas=2, twr, trrd, twtr, trtw all at 2, with 8x and 6x I ran pifast.. Then, I put cas 1.5, and put everything else as tight as possible.. pifast was marginally lower.. It wasn't really that big of a difference.. I'm talking, practically nothing really worth noting..

[AMDfan]

:D Good idea - it mostly depends also on the board - my NEO2 does not go much above 300 1:1 even with the G.SKILL LA so my hopes are on DFI NF4.

Ya see it also in my BH-5 tests, I used MUSHKIN & CORSAIR and both maxed out exactly at the same speed of 275 MHz with 2-2-2-5, not 274 or 276, both exactly at 275.

This indeed is a sign for board is maxing out, not RAM so it it always important to check all the other components before blaming the RAM.....

:toast:

If ya don't mine, write it down your Memory voltage, for more precision, because it's good to see the frequence & timing but with-out the voltage I can't really make any difference and tell witch mémory is better than other. :confused: Thank you for understanding :toast:

[kakaroto]

And run the TCCD at 340-350 1:1? :confused:
No way this TCCD can do that.
Neither can my watercooled CPU do 3400-3500MHz so i cannot test what you just said.

What makes you think BH-5 on a divider will stomp TCCD?
Did you try?

I'm not trying to argue that BH-5 at 270-280 is real fast but taking for granted it will annihilate all is a bit BH-5 biased, don't you think?

From the comparisations i've seen or done myself i can conclude that TCCD at 300MHz 2,5-3-3-7 1T can keep up with BH-5 at 270MHz 2-2-2-5 1T, perhaps you should give TCCD a little more credit?

I already hit 340MHz 2.5-4-3-7 1T, imagine what this will do with 2.5-4-4-8.
DDR690-700MHz is possible with some tweaking.

BH5 is faster and more efficient then TCCD, everyone knows that.
The fact is that TCCD tramples BH5 with the very HTT close to DDR700.