MSI K8N NEO4 Extra CPU Voltage +20%!!!

[windwithme]

thanks MSI

1.21 BIOS

Look at this
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/NEO42/N4B1.JPG

http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/NEO42/N4B2.JPG

Thank the personnel that MSI helps windwithme to transmit the suggestion and RD of modification BIOS
very nice :D

[eva2000]

but does it work ?

[pinto]

Woah! Do you have the same bios for the Diamond?

[perry_78]

Finally MSI realized :)

This looks like a great board, bu it seems DFI has stolen all the attention.

And the ATI Bullhead is coming up too :'(

[windwithme]

Woah! Do you have the same bios for the Diamond?

Diamond...Msi is still in the discussion :)

[pinto]

Hope they release it because +8.3% is very small to clock my Fx... It's the only problem with my card everythins else is great!

[DoGMaN]

Tell them to give us more vdimm now too ;) It is a step in the right direction though

[jikdoc]

the board could give me a massage every time i booted and i wouldn't buy another msi. i'm so sick of my neo2.

[Onepagebook]

That'd give you up to 1.85v

[xgman]

but does it work ?

good question. the mods like that on the Neo2 didn't.

[windwithme]

Testing +20%, there is only 1.48~1.5v
Wait for the next bios :(

[IvanAndreevich]

Dude wait for next pcb REVISION. The chip that provides the power to the CPU doesn't physically support that AFAIK.

[OPPAINTER]

Where can I get the bios?

OPP

[Zebo]

ha msi is so back

[Kunaak]

I just broke down bios version 1.1

I see that you can adjust the bios to accept up to 18.3%
is that not normal?
cause from the bios, it looks like it's enabled by default.

[windwithme]

I just broke down bios version 1.1

I see that you can adjust the bios to accept up to 18.3%
is that not normal?
cause from the bios, it looks like it's enabled by default.

bios version 1.21 have +20% :)

[H2OGun]

WindWithMe, where can we download the BIOS?

[windwithme]

Beta version, only consults for testing

NEO4 1.21 BIOS (http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/W7125NMS.121)

[Mrki]

Beta version, only consults for testing

NEO4 1.21 BIOS (http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/W7125NMS.121)


thx wind ... thats like my vapo ;)

[H2OGun]

Beta version, only consults for testing

NEO4 1.21 BIOS (http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/W7125NMS.121)

Thanks. BTW, can I use the BIOS on Diamond?

[windwithme]

Thanks. BTW, can I use the BIOS on Diamond?

can not use on Diamond

W7125=NEO4
W7100=Diamond

bios is W7125NMS.121

[H2OGun]

can not use on Diamond

W7125=NEO4
W7100=Diamond

bios is W7125NMS.121

Oh No. Do you have one for Diamond?

[windwithme]

Oh No. Do you have one for Diamond?

Diamond have not revised CPU Voltage yet

[H2OGun]

Diamond have not revised CPU Voltage yet

Got to wait a while then. Thanks!!

[Kunaak]

according to that bios you showed me... you should have up to 23.3% selectable, it's not hidden or anything.
it's right there, selectable, when I open up the bios to check it out...

I wonder why this doesn't show up in the actual bios?

[legion]

Is the bios on the Platninum SLI the same as the Diamond SLI?

[IvanAndreevich]

No it's not. Are people ignoring my comment of this voltage not being possible with the voltage regulator currently used?

[legion]

Right got a bios for the platinum sli.
Can I still use winflash?
no floppy here.

[A_X]

Can anybody tell me what's the difference between the K8N SLI Platinum and the K8N Diamond except for the fact that the Diamond has Silicon Image's SATARAID and the SLI Platinum doesn't...

Because the Diamond is around 40 euros more expensive then the de SLI Platinum over here. And if that is the only difference it's not worth it imo...

[thebluesgnr]

Diamond has WiFi, Bluetooth and two Gigabit controllers. It also looks (but I can't confirm) that the Platinum only has a heatsink on the voltage regulator for the CPU, the Diamond is a heat-piped with a fan.

[A_X]

Hmm over here in europe the Diamond isn't shipped with Bluetooth and tho Giabit controllers. Those are both listed as optional.

[windwithme]

My neo4 sample can not 20%
but general neo4(w7125) is ok

[drunkenmaster]

so if i get a neo 4 now i can use up to .1.85v? what mem voltage does the neo have, i've forgotten, i think i can get a gigabyte sli shipped out tomorrow, tempted by that. my asus sli just has so little vcore to play with i'm limited to 2.65ghz. i'm gettina dfi when it comes out but have two pci-e systems so which ever board i get now will go into my home system.

what voltages do the giga boards have, the x4 cheapo version only has +0.2 vdimm but the production ultra/sli boards were supposed to have 3 or 3.1v? what vcore?

[drunkenmaster]

actually, from looking at msi's website i have no clue whats going on, the shops seem to list a neo4 normal, neo 4 sli platinum with the proper sli bridge, and the neo 4 diamond, but on the msi website i see only a neo4 platinum and aneo 4 platinum SLI, no diamond. But shops say they are on their way. will this bios work on the msi neo plat sli? not sure if you have the sli or none sli.

Just checked another version of the msi website, usa and uk versions say 2 boards, global has all three listed. freaking useless.

[windwithme]

K8N Neo4 Platinum=>w7125


K8N SLI Platinum&K8N Diamond=>w7100

w7125.121 bios only foy K8N Neo4 Platinum :)

[OPPAINTER]

My neo4 sample can not 20%
but general neo4(w7125) is ok
I have a Sample Neo4 board here, it doesn't have a x4 slot like the Neo4 mobos you see on the MSI website.
Are you saying that if I try and flash with this bios it won't give me more then 1.61V which I have already with max voltage useing the 8%?

OPP

[windwithme]

I have a Sample Neo4 board here, it doesn't have a x4 slot like the Neo4 mobos you see on the MSI website.
Are you saying that if I try and flash with this bios it won't give me more then 1.61V which I have already with max voltage useing the 8%?

OPP

Retail version of K8N Neo4 can acquire +23% voltage option with V1.21 BIOS, but sample version is not included. PCI-E x4 slot is not available on early sample stage of K8N Neo4.

[xgman]

Has anyone tested this 121 bios vcore on a retail board then? how do you know it will work then?

[xgman]

I just broke down bios version 1.1

I see that you can adjust the bios to accept up to 18.3%
is that not normal?
cause from the bios, it looks like it's enabled by default.

the neo2 was the same, but bios mods showed up to +18%, but they never stuck above 10%.

[DoGMaN]

Hopefully they will allow this type of voltage with the SLI boards (7100). It would make them a viable board.

[OPPAINTER]

the neo2 was the same, but bios mods showed up to +18%, but they never stuck above 10%.
Useing the 1.36b bios on Neo2 the 18% worked great.

OPP

[xgman]

right, but that was the last version that the +% mod worked.

[Skip]

i ordered this board at midnight and had it overnighted, so i hope to have it tomorrow when i get home from school. so i will just put it on air cooling for the first bootup and install of windows, and will tell you how accurate the +20% is. if this is true, then all you need is TCCD and its on a par with the DFI, but with bh-5, or winbond UTT, the DFI board can't really be beat.

But i got tccd, so it doesn't really matter.

[xgman]

please post as soon as you test the bios. thanks.

[Skip]

i sure will, its packaged and sealed at newegg, so i will definitely get it tomorrow. i hope somebody is home when it gets dropped off. or maybe they will leave it at my doorstep, i really don't want to drive to that fedex pickup place. its only 20mins away, but i'd rather have the excitement of getting the box and ripping it open as soon as possible.

[xgman]

What is the deal about using this beta bios and modding the PWM cpu ic? How the heck do you do that and why is that necessary?

[Skip]

where do i get the flash utility for the neo4? can i use the neo2 one? the neo4 isn't yet on msi's bios list...

[Skip]

well using the 1.21 bios i am only able to get 1.66V when i look at hw monitor.

when i raise vid to 1.45 it drops according to +18%, but thats is not actual, it is only 1.66V for me.

[dabomb505]

^^ mines will be coming tomm from newegg. from what im looking at in my tracking number, its status says not scheduled for delivery. i most likely will get it tomm considering i live like 1 hour from newegg shipment place.

still i have no cpu and vid card to test it out yet.. oh well lol. do u guys think my corsair xl tccd rams will work good with this at all ?

[Frost_Bite]

Oh well, look like I'll be modding this board if it doesn't natively support at least 1.85v.

How is the board skip, besides the vcore issue? Stable, good...what? Give us some details here :D

[xgman]

where do i get the flash utility for the neo4? can i use the neo2 one? the neo4 isn't yet on msi's bios list...

it's on thier beta server. you have to search around for it a bit.

[xgman]

well using the 1.21 bios i am only able to get 1.66V when i look at hw monitor.

when i raise vid to 1.45 it drops according to +18%, but thats is not actual, it is only 1.66V for me.

So what happens if you set it to 1.55 +10%? What is the highest +% that works right?

[Skip]

oh, well i will check it, i would assume that wouldever % that give 1.66 is the max% that works.

other than that i think the board is stable. Although i thought there was an nv/ati speedup option? OPB showed it, but maybe i don't have the right bios. i'm using the beta bios that was linked in the thread.

i can screenshot 300tweaked, and take everest benches. but i can't even run superpi 1m at 280 2.5-3-3-10 1T fully tweaked, i haven't tested this chip on other boards, so i can't say for sure if its the board or if its the chip. I am using 2x512MB, so i would guess its the chip before the board. i think the memory is good for 300+HTT.

maybe i'm not giving the NB enough voltage. its 1.5stock, not sure if thats enough or not.

the heatsink isnt even close to being warm.

oh gotta change the sig now that my rig is different.

[Skip]

that bios is very buggy, i can only set the big 4 latencies, and TRD and TRFC, anything else will cause a no-post. i never really used the other bios, so i can't confirm that.

[quicksilverXP]

man... I'll be receiving this board shortly... sounds like I should have stayed with the Gigabyte.

[xgman]

try the 111 bios for comparison and remember the hidden bios settings keystroke, I forget but like Shift-F2 then Alt-F3. Then the Ati/Nvida thingy may show.

I'll probably install this baord tonight. I'll post anything I find. probably try to do the vcore mod first.

[Skip]

how come these things aren't in the manual!

well currently 260HTT is stable, not tweaked really though. still trying to discern whether my mem controller, or my board, or the memory itself is topping out. but 270HTT it can't be the memory. a single stick can run all day long at 300HTT with my DFI skt 754 board.

[xgman]

Did you set the pcie card to 101mhz? Might help lock the pci like when we had to set the NEO2 to 67.

The beat bios 121 scales to different +%'s depending on which cpu is installed and also dependent of whether you set the vcore in bios on auto or whatever the top voltage choice is for your cpu listed in the bios. The %'s do work, but the only way I was able to get in the 1.85 range was in combination with the hardware mod. I used a 20K resistor and tunred it way down before the voltage started going up.


(on a FX55 and bios 121, set at auto gives +13.3% as the top choice. When set to 1.55 it gives 9.9% as the top choice. That 2nd one produces the highest stock bios voltage of around 1.72v, then I have to use the hardware mod from there)

I have noticed the chipset does seem hotter than the NEo2 and I have it set at 1.6.

[quicksilverXP]

XGman... do you have a Winchester to test out the voltages on those?

[xgman]

only a fx55.

[Skip]

my DFi chipset got pretty hot, this one is pretty cool.

when i say 1.66V thats what hw monitor is reporting. it actually is set to 1.69. but all the programs say 1.66

this board is undervolting a little for me. i have to do +3.3% off VID to actually get the true VID.

xgman- i didn't change my pci-e clock to 101, but i figured if i can take screenies of 300HTT, then its locked. but i'll give it a shot.

also if i play a game and monitor temps with rivatuner, when i quit the game it will shut down my computer, this only happens when rivatuner is open though. I don't think this has to do with the board though. any idea what is wrong with that? i'd like a way to monitor temps when i'm playing a game.

[Frost_Bite]

This is a bit encouraging that the Fx chips can get a little more voltage. 1.72v isn't great, but its better than 1.66v.

XG: What mod did you use? I'm Octane over on XS, and VO_Nuclear on MSI forums. Did that one mod work out for you?

Thanks

[xgman]

Yes the mod is simple. 20K turnable pot to the sodder point on that pciture near the chip, to ground. If you set the 20k to 20k, you are still at stock. I turned up the bios as far as it would go and then started turning the pot screw. I turned it almost all the way down and then the vcore in the monitor started going over 1.8v After 1.85 the computer powered off from in the bios so I backed it down around 1.80-1.82v and it seems to be fine there. The beta bios is crucial to get anything going though. Op had done the same mod on his sli without the beta bios and could only get to around 1.72.

[Frost_Bite]

Thanks for the info, I'll go pick up some VRs tonight, and see what I can do.

[Skip]

you are circling two points xgman? but you said only one solder point. i'm guessing you solder the two points, and the third leg of the VR goes to ground right?

[xgman]

sodder the circle to the left. The one on the chip is too small to sodder to. So the left one to ground.

I am finding that when voltage is pushed above 1.75 even, the board starts getting flakey at boot. Once in windows it runs perfect at any speed, but then very frequently on startup or reboot, it goes straight to "windows config missing" errorn screen and I have to restore to get back into windows and then all is fine for hours in windows, so maybe the voltage thing is doing something naughty at first boot. I alos went back to bios 110 and it didn't seem to effect the vcore at all even though max vcore was limited to +8.3%. In any case I am looking forward to the DFI next week where a mod is unnecessary.

[Skip]

i don't think i'm going to mod it, i took a look at the sodder point, and its pretty damn small, and i don't plan on keeping the board, i plan on selling it off to a friend.

well i found that before i thought my max stable DC was 260HTT, but i guess at 265x4 the HT starts getting funky, so i dropped it down to 3x and now 285 is very stable. just played sid meiers pirates for about 4 hours and not a single hiccup, and also ran about 20 super pi 1m's. so i think thats pretty good for 2x512MB sticks.


edit: i was thinking xgman, why don't you keep the +% as high as it goes, and just drop down the VID into safe booteable voltage. and then once in windows raise the VID with clockgen. That might work out good.

[xgman]

I've also been running at 4x which was stable on the Neo2, but maybe a switch at 266 to 3x is needed.

[Dumo]

Any news for Neo4 PLatinum SLI / MS7100 bios?.....

[Skip]

i found that 285HTT is stable as a rock in prime blend and in a full S&M run. but at that HTT the nforce4 sata is corrupted. my windows is really buggy right now. and at barely any oc, the Sil3114 won't even detect a drive. not very happy with the board.

[viddax^2]

I tried the bios today in my Neo 4 platinium, and this is what i achieved:

http://img117.exs.cx/img117/9063/nf4msineo4178ed.th.jpg (http://img117.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img117&image=nf4msineo4178ed.jpg)


CPU VID: 1,450
Overvolt in bios 16%

With Corecenter Vcore +5% -->

and all this gets 1.68-1.7 Vcore.

Dont Know if 8% would give sthg else because i am with stock cooling :stick: :stick:

But i have a problem, dont know what causes it, but no matter any of the ram dividers i use, i cant get the HTT any further than 270. i can get 269, but not even 270.

I dont think its the CPU coz, its achieving 2.6 Ghz at 1.6 Vcore... I was nearly paying my gskill pc4800LA, do u think 1:1 i could solve the problem???
I hace stinky geil Ultra pc3200 2-3-3-6 that doesnt go any further than 220.

Thanks a lot.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:confused: Any working BIOS now with 1,85 Vcore without hardware mod ?

:toast:

[AllBrain]

So last night I flashed my Neo 4 with this new beta bios. I go into the bios and now I see the max VID is 1.45 and at that setting the max Overvolt is 16.6%. Cool, so I boot into windows and CoreCentre reads 1.69. From reviews that sounds about right for the max vCore on this board. But now I go into the voltage section in CoreCentre. There I see the vCore sitting on 3.3%, but there is still 5% and 8.8% left. Not thinking that it will actually work, I apply the 5% option. To my surprise the vCore goes up. Ok, next I try 8.8% and it goes up again. So at the end of the day, I ended up with 1.82 Volts on the core. Not bad? :D

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

So last night I flashed my Neo 4 with this new beta bios. I go into the bios and now I see the max VID is 1.45 and at that setting the max Overvolt is 16.6%. Cool, so I boot into windows and CoreCentre reads 1.69. From reviews that sounds about right for the max vCore on this board. But now I go into the voltage section in CoreCentre. There I see the vCore sitting on 3.3%, but there is still 5% and 8.8% left. Not thinking that it will actually work, I apply the 5% option. To my surprise the vCore goes up. Ok, next I try 8.8% and it goes up again. So at the end of the day, I ended up with 1.82 Volts on the core. Not bad? :D

:D Good news - I need 1,8 for my FX and if the RMA'd DFI will not work again I switch to MSI NEO4.

Please report this in a PM to windwithme, maybe he's got an idea how to get it to work straight from the BIOS.

1,82 is a very nice number but it's not rally satisfying to change the Vcore everytime in core center after booting rig with a lower speed.

:toast:

[Skip]

oh, so corecenter misreports and then in turn goes to like +30% vcore.

so thats 1.8 for winnies. which means that fx-55 will get like 1.9 because the VID switches to where 1.55 is the highest i think.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

oh, so corecenter misreports and then in turn goes to like +30% vcore.

so thats 1.8 for winnies. which means that fx-55 will get like 1.9 because the VID switches to where 1.55 is the highest i think.

:D Very good - I forgot about that. On my NEO2 it's the same, VID with the FX-55 is 1,55 and adding 20% should be 1,86. But would be nice to find an option to set it in BIOS.

:toast:

[A_X]

I tried the new Neo4 SLI bios with 19,2% overvid option and it does not work... :( 1.56V max for me.. :(

[windwithme]

Diamond have new bios
CPU+44% :)

[A_X]

And it actually works without the Vmod? If so, plz send it to me! :)

or link?

[AllBrain]

Well if CoreCentre can take me to over 1.8 vCore, then there must be a way to do it in the bios?

[A_X]

Well if CoreCentre can take me to over 1.8 vCore, then there must be a way to do it in the bios?
I tried changing it with CoreCentre and it doesn't seem to be working on the SLI version of the board..

Which version of CC are you using?

[AllBrain]

I am using the latest one on the MSI website. Maybe it just works on the ultra version of the board?

[A_X]

Hm ok, thanx

Just tried the lastest version of CC and it seems so that this only works on the Ultra versions of the board. To bad... :(

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D O.K. - but what's up now, can someone report that the new BIOS works with the higher voltage option ??? :toast:

[H2OGun]

Well, I flashed the 214 BIOS for Diamond and while it does have up to 3.1v VDIMM (and probably working too since my OCZ VX can boot at 2-2-2-5 while it couldn't before flashing BIOS) but vCore is only up to 19.2% and it did not seem to work for me. I set 1.45v and 19.2% which was supposed to give around 1.7v but both cpu-Z and CoreCenter reported 1.55v. The rumour is that there will a new revision of the board to support these extra voltages.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

Well, I flashed the 214 BIOS for Diamond and while it does have up to 3.1v VDIMM (and probably working too since my OCZ VX can boot at 2-2-2-5 while it couldn't before flashing BIOS) but vCore is only up to 19.2% and it did not seem to work for me. I set 1.45v and 19.2% which was supposed to give around 1.7v but both cpu-Z and CoreCenter reported 1.55v. The rumour is that there will a new revision of the board to support these extra voltages.

:D O.K. - nice info so. Time will tell......... :toast:

[gfa3]

Well, I flashed the 214 BIOS for Diamond and while it does have up to 3.1v VDIMM (and probably working too since my OCZ VX can boot at 2-2-2-5 while it couldn't before flashing BIOS) but vCore is only up to 19.2% and it did not seem to work for me. I set 1.45v and 19.2% which was supposed to give around 1.7v but both cpu-Z and CoreCenter reported 1.55v. The rumour is that there will a new revision of the board to support these extra voltages.

Where did u find that bios?Can i have a link for download?I'm trying a Diamond mobo right now and this might be a good reason to keep it. :toast:

[darkeyed]

Can anyone tell me if the beta bios allows for more mem voltage. I am using OZC gold series and I certainly can use over 3 volts.

Also at 1.55 vcore my system is still very cool with my xp-90. Is heat the best indicator for long term life of the cpu. Can I get higher and still not risk killing it if temps are low?

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

Can anyone tell me if the beta bios allows for more mem voltage. I am using OZC gold series and I certainly can use over 3 volts.

Also at 1.55 vcore my system is still very cool with my xp-90. Is heat the best indicator for long term life of the cpu. Can I get higher and still not risk killing it if temps are low?

:D Forgot where but read the latest BETA allows 3,1 Vdimm. :toast:

[A_X]

Well, I flashed the 214 BIOS for Diamond and while it does have up to 3.1v VDIMM (and probably working too since my OCZ VX can boot at 2-2-2-5 while it couldn't before flashing BIOS) but vCore is only up to 19.2% and it did not seem to work for me. I set 1.45v and 19.2% which was supposed to give around 1.7v but both cpu-Z and CoreCenter reported 1.55v. The rumour is that there will a new revision of the board to support these extra voltages.
Hmm that would be enough reason for me to sell my current board and get a new revision, because other then the very low Vcore option I kinda love this board! :)

[darkeyed]

Awsome cause I know I can safely use it. Heard many problems with it at all?

Also do you know the best way to be sure I dont fry my cpu by pumping too much into it?

[Rabidmoose171]

think that once these get the extra voltage working they will give the dfi board a run for its money?

[A_X]

Awsome cause I know I can safely use it. Heard many problems with it at all?

Also do you know the best way to be sure I dont fry my cpu by pumping too much into it?

As long as you keep it below 65 degrees you should be fine... Don't worry, you won't fry it that easily.


think that once these get the extra voltage working they will give the dfi board a run for its money?
Definatly! :cool:

[darkeyed]

ok thats what I thought. I will give the new BIOS a try tonight. I know my memory has more in it if I can push the memory.

I also have the vcore up with BIOS 1.1 as high as I can and running prime95 overnight all i got was 35c.

[A_X]

I also have the vcore up with 1.1 as high as I can and running prime95 overnight all i got was 35c.
Yup... Same here. Max 36c after a couple hours of prime on max Vcore (1.55V).

[darkeyed]

What is the most reliable software for monitoring and changing clock settings under windows. I have been using CPU-Z for info and NvTune to make changes but I dont care for NvTune and some information shows incorrect.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

What is the most reliable software for monitoring and changing clock settings under windows. I have been using CPU-Z for info and NvTune to make changes but I dont care for NvTune and some information shows incorrect.

:D ClockGen :toast:

[A_X]

Ok, I just fried my SLI Platinum by accident when I was trying to put a fan on 7V... :(

Got a Neo4 Ultra + SB Audigy 2 ZS instead...

[RAINFIRE]

Ouch! :( You double checked it all?

[A_X]

Well I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I either touched my case with one of the wires from a molex or I touched another wire in the molex...

The second it happend, my system shut down and when I tried to start it again ther was no POST.... Alle my fans and HD's do spin up, so I don't think it's my PSU.

D-Bracket gives 4 red leds, so I'm thinking the board is dead. :( I'm just praying I didn't fry my X850XT or G.Skill... :(

New board should arrive tomorrow!

[A_X]

Ok, just installed my Neo4 Ultra and everything seems to be working again.

First results: Around 6Mhz HTT higher OC then the SLI Platinum.

I'm still using the original bios, but do these new bios versions really give you higher Vcore? Or are the options only there in the bios without them actually working for real? (like the new MS-7100 bios').

I heard there was a bios version that allows you to set your Vcore higher the max in the bios by using CoreCenter. Which version is this?

Thanx! :)