Custom phase change controller "Golden Froster"

[Ssilencer]

Contact me in the meanwhile for any Controller

UPDATING THE LINE AS FEBRUARY 2007

G-FROSTER CASCADE MENU TEASER (http://img265.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img265/5836/117121333940w.smil)

G-Froster X
Specifications:
Hardware:
• (4) Inputs for temperature sensors.(1 included)
• 1 Alphanumeric LCD port.(20x2 blue lcd)
• 1 PSU power control.
• 1 Motherboard power-on/off control.
• 1Compressor power control.
• 1 Fan port.
• 1 RS-232 comunication port.
• 1 Face plate included

Software:
• Temperature monitoring
• Fan speed, power-on temp, power-off temp configurable .
• Pc power-on delay.
• Automatic pc-shutdown in case of reaching critical temperature.
• Compressor Power on delay to to prevent damage
• Firmware update by serial port

DISCONTINUED, REPLACED BY THE NEW X3 CONTROLLER
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X3 CONTROLLER:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7782/x3cascade011smallvd0.jpg

4 K type thermal probes inputs (probes not included) SENSES UP TO -150C
5 TEMPERATURES SENSING (4 K TYPE PLUS AMBIENT BY EMBEDDED PCB PROBE)
Can set start up on any thermal probes
Start up/shut down by temps; temp in tray; control fan speed
Keyboard included to control start up/shut down temps, setting thermal probes
win soft for control start up/shut down temps, setting thermal probe and fan speed (HIGH, LOW OR AUTO FEATURE, CONTROL BY TEMPS) 1.5AMPS OF FAN POWER (3 PANAFLO H PLUS ANOTHER 120X25 FAN). PLUS CUSTOM COMPRESSOR RESTART SAFETY MEASURE.
20x2 lcd display
Comes in a 5 1/4 bay case, face plate included
Serial connection, firmware upgradeable (future proof, adding features)
Failure control (continuous reading of 5v line)
Accept future daughter board (extra fan control, etc)
Failure control by "temp nurse" *

ALL OPTIONS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, NO FEATURES ON THE SOFT JUST FOR LOOKS , ALL OF THEM WORKING...
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NEW XE 2.0

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8825/xe20batchfi6.jpg

2 K type thermal probes input (probes not included)
3 TEMPERATURES SENSING (2 K TYPE PLUS AMBIENT BY EMBEDDED PCB PROBE)
Can set start up on any/both thermal probes
Start up/shut down by temps; temp in tray; control fan speed
win soft for control start up/shut down temps, setting thermal probe and fan speed (HIGH, LOW OR AUTO FEATURE, CONTROL BY TEMPS) 1.5AMPS OF FAN POWER (3 PANAFLO H PLUS ANOTHER 120X25 FAN). PLUS CUSTOM COMPRESSOR RESTART SAFETY MEASURE.
16x2 lcd display
Serial connection, firmware upgradeable (future proof, adding features)
Failure control (continuous reading of 5v line)
Accept future daughter board (extra fan control, etc)
Failure control by "temp nurse" *

New control pannel and firm update available for the X3 and XE 2.0 controllers

*Updated look of the control panel.

*Added custom text in screen routines:
1_You now have 5 different custom text screens to show whatever you want on them.
2_Every screen has its own delay setting, letting you show each of them for different periods on screen.
3_You can mix with your custom text any of the 3/5 (XE 2.0/X3) temps the controller shows.
4_You can choose to individually enable/disable any of the 5 custom text screens at anytime.

CHECK THE VIDEO OF CUSTOM SCREENS EXAMPLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe6KiwO59ps)
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/-1100270438/GFroster_Xe_2.0__Quick_Instalation_Guide_1.2.pdf
Download quick calibration guide for XE2.0 (http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/-1100270439/GFroster_Xe_2.0__Calibration_Guide_1.0.pdf)
DOWNLOAD THE LATEST CONTROL PANNEL AND FIRM FROM HERE (http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/1268949/GFCP107Xe20.rar)

ALL OPTIONS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, NO FEATURES ON THE SOFT JUST FOR LOOKS , ALL OF THEM WORKING...
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UPDATED G-Froster Xe 1.6

Specifications:
Hardware:
• 1 Input for temperature sensor (included).
• 1 Alphanumeric LCD port.(16x2 blue lcd or green)
• 1 PSU power control.
• 1 Motherboard power-on/off control.
• 1Compressor power control.
• 1 Fan port.
• 1 RS-232 comunication port.
• 1 Face plate included

Software:
• Temperature monitoring
• Fan speed, power-on temp, power-off temp configurable .
• Pc power-on delay.
• Automatic pc-shutdown in case of reaching critical temperature.
• Compressor Power on delay to to prevent damage
• Firmware update by serial port

ALL OPTIONS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, NO FEATURES ON THE SOFT JUST FOR LOOKS , ALL OF THEM WORKING...


G-Froster Xe installaion guide ( http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/-1100744798/GFXE16UM.pdf)
G-Froster Installation manuals and software downloads (http://www.arctic-frost.co.uk/gfroster.htm) thanks to DaBbLe
G-Froster Value and XE 1.6 latest firm and soft (http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/1268679/GFCP270.zip)
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G-Froster value 2.0
• 1 imput for thermal probe
• 1 16x2 LCD display
• 1 PSU power control
• 1 compresor power control


Features:
• Temperature monitoring
• Pc power-on delay.
• Automatic pc-shutdown in case of reaching critical temperature.
• Compressor Power on delay to to prevent damage

Software control, fan control and serial comunication on the value.


Units works independently of the power the Pc (have his own psu)

G-Froster Face plates

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1184/faceplate005small2sg.jpg

G-Froster value unit

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3170/moduloa1025small5vu.jpg


G-Froster Xe

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/5985/xe006small0pi.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1373/xefinal020large8ls.jpg

G-Froster X

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8666/key703303nb.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5248/key703315uh.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/7610/frostersnuevos018large3qq.jpg

G-Froster X control pannel

http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/4/1/413aa076.jpg

G-Froster Xe and Value 2.0 Control pannel

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5981/untitled19aw1medium8do.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5197/trayfeature3ad.jpg

[SoddemFX]

Very nice :)

PIC for control, PWM fan control and A/D for temp sensors, using a Max232 line driver?

edit - also, what are you using to power (on/off) the compressor?

Tom

[runmc]

Nice Work,

That stuffs way over my head :D

[Malachia]

have io got "paints" for realize this project????

[::EVOLUTiON::]

i think this controller is the best :D 'cause features on this are not in any other commercial controller

[wr0x2]

Very nice job! Have you got a schematic or would you prefer to keep the details private?

[froudeg]

Nice! Its great to have a lot of electronics knowledge with overclocking and building of super cooling systems - the combination of both can end up with some awesome kit. Great that was made with no money!....

It's a similar spec to my first controller that i knocked up some years ago.
For my new cascade system that im building i decided to throw a whack of money at it and completely redesign it, ya can take a gander here (i was gonna post the whole lot in this thread but tbh i dont wanna seem like im here to steal ya thunder)

Anyway ya can take a look ere : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49838

[Golden_Eagle]

I rather keep specific information of the sistem in private since I´m going to sell it. I´m working on the user manual so I can give a better description of the controller and it´s way of working.

PD: I apologise for mi english , I´m doing my best...

[sl1m shady]

Good work golden, thats awesome! :D

[Malachia]

price???


i promise that i will never buy one, told this, can you plz post only a paint with:

temp probe
LCD via serial port like usual, mhz oc ecc ecc


my problem is how to see temps in LCD like mach&vapo and what probe use....

[trans am]

When I started to make my custom phase changer, a friend was interested in the electrical part of the system and took the challenge to do a custom controller, something like the chill control unit, but IMHO better :D

This is the list of features:

Basic sistem description:

Especifications:
Hardware:
• (6) Inputs for temperature sensors.
• 1 Alphanumeric LCD port.
• 1 keyboard (6 keys) for config. and browsing .
• 1 PSU power control.
• 1 Motherboard power-on/off control.
• 1Compressor power control.
• 1 Fan port.
• 1 RS-232 comunication port.

Software:
• Temperature monitoring
• Fan speed, power-on temp, power-off temp configurable .
• Pc power-on delay.
• Automatic pc-shutdown in case of reaching critical temperature.
• Compressor Power on delay to to prevent damage
• Firmware update by serial port

It will work with different or no display at all, independently of the power the Pc (have his own 12v psu) and with different probes.

HERE (http://www.hardware4geeks.com/pics/golden_eagle/froster2.wmv) you have a video from a very early version and a pair of pics of the last prototipe.
It was made with no money at all and no chillcontrol or other controller to copy at all.
What do you think?

BTW, my friend Golden Eagle it´s the creator and he would like to answer any question.


I want one! nice job!

[cold_ice]

Awesome work! Im definitely interested in this controller. What would be the price?

[Golden_Eagle]

Te prices is gonna be about u$s100.

malachia: you need any interfase (eg: Golden Froster) so u can measure temperature and send it to the diplay

I don´t understand exactly what paint u are asking me to post...
U can download the temp probe datasheet from this linkhttp://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM135.pdf

The LCD used here is not a serial one, it has a standard interface chip (HD44780 or HD44100)

PD: I almoust forgot about it... SILENCER! thanks for starting this thread.

[bxa121]

is it pic controlled - i havent figured out pic controls yet :(

[Ssilencer]

Update
The prototype was tested in my system and it wokrs like a charm, automatic start and shutdown, firmware update, tested probes, fan starts at full speed and go to 50% after -30c and you can override to 100% when u want to (benchs etc) in ten days the final product will be finished.
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/6/2/62044e97.jpg

[Tyrou]

is it possible to adapt it to a cascade cooler, with a delay between the starts of each compressor ? :)

[pythagoras]

Some really nice work going on in the field of electronic monitoring here lately :toast:

Regards

John.

[Epsilon]

Your damn good at electronics my friend ;)

The LCD stuff i need to find out before i can even think of the kind of controller.

I will make a full hardware controller for my cascade in the future maybe. I like hardware more than software. That's why i study Electronics with specialisation: automation (like PLC etc).

[Ssilencer]

is it possible to adapt it to a cascade cooler, with a delay between the starts of each compressor ? :)

yes, it is possible, just needs better sensors for the greater temps, and a firmware upgrade. It is able to handle 16 AMPs, so you can throw it a pair of compresors without any problem. :)

[Eradicator]

Wow you are really talented Golden Eagle. Just amazing....

[Tyrou]

nice, I would be pleased to put one on my cascade :D

I suppose it requires a PSU, or something giving +5 / +12 ?

[Malachia]

very very nice work!

[pythagoras]

Hi Tyrou:

Ssilencer wrote:


It will work with different or no display at all, independently of the power the Pc (have his own 12v psu) and with different probes.

Regards

John.

[Tyrou]

Thanks :)

It would really fit my needs, no PSU needed, handle two stages... :D

last question, as it has is own psu, is it possible to have a 230V version ?

[Ssilencer]

Thanks :)

It would really fit my needs, no PSU needed, handle two stages... :D

last question, as it has is own psu, is it possible to have a 230V version ?

I dont understand why u need a 230v version? Is it to handle 230v fans?
In order to maintain total independence from the PC psu , froster it uses its own 12v/5v psu connected to 220v.

BTW, thanks Pythagoras

[pythagoras]

Maybe tyrou thought, as I did, that Argentine uses 110v ac supply. ;)

If you use 220v then he has no problem :D

Regards

John.

[Ssilencer]

Yeap, I tought so, anyway, no problem to do a 110v version one. :D

Funny thing we being talking for other people :D we are the advanced diplomatics :D

[Tyrou]

Great, I didn't know that argentina uses 230V ;)

[kayl]

very nice controller there.
if you know what you doing with PIC chips and LCD's you can make a hole lot of things. my last job they designed HF radios they were using some really cool chips, ones where you program the chip to tell it what pin does what, makes routing pcb tracks alot easier, i was only a service tech though, no designing for me, I would like to though.
in a few years i hope to go to university to upgrade me electronics diploma to an engineering degree in instrumentation and control or electrical engineering.

[chilly1]

I want 20 please!

[Golden_Eagle]

I want 20 please!
:eek:
You´ll have to wait a little !! I´m working as hard as I can :up:

[9mmCensor]

It would be awesome if you made a simple temperature monitor like the Crystal Fontz 633.

That would be sick.

[Malachia]

I want 20 please!


one is my birthday present??? :D

[Golden_Eagle]

kayl: keep studuing! it´s the best you can do, if you want to be somebody, just remember! "... knowldege is power"

[Golden_Eagle]

It would be awesome if you made a simple temperature monitor like the Crystal Fontz 633.

That would be sick.
well, it can be done, but I think it wil be better to get wichever you find in the market, just to save some money.

Any other case, just send me a PM ;)

[Golden_Eagle]

Here we go...
This is the Control Card
http://img174.exs.cx/img174/8018/controllq4mv.jpg

This is the Power Card
http://img174.exs.cx/img174/3593/potencialq3td.jpg

[wambas]

And what about something for a 220V fan? :P

[Ssilencer]

Hey wambas, throw that 220v fan to the toilet (not a good idea) :D
You get what you pay for (anything is posibble)

[kayl]

kayl: keep studuing! it´s the best you can do, if you want to be somebody, just remember! "... knowldege is power"
thanxs, the pcb layout looks neat and well planned.

[bmod]

Very well planned and designed guys. cant wait to use this in my system to replace my
prommy controller. Looking foward to add more temp probes.

[Epsilon]

I will try to make one of my own :)
i study electronics (will be going for industrial automation instead of electronics part) so i could make my own :).

[total_assault]

very nice, im just wondering what the electronic component is called attached to the heatsink I've seen it before in pc power supplies cant make out what it is.

[Aphex_Tom_9]

very nice, im just wondering what the electronic component is called attached to the heatsink I've seen it before in pc power supplies cant make out what it is.
MOSFET's?

[Golden_Eagle]

actually they are voltage regulators, transistors and other staff

[Unknown_road]

are those triac's on the power board?

[Aphex_Tom_9]

actually they are voltage regulators, transistors and other staff
arent the things which are bolted to the sinks MOSFET's? that was his Q (as i saw it)

[Unknown_road]

arent the things which are bolted to the sinks MOSFET's? that was his Q (as i saw it)

voltage regulators look a lot like mosfets and mosfets are transistors

[Golden_Eagle]

Unknown_road you are right,, and yes there are some triac´s for the compresor and the pc-psu, Maybe ill start using relays to remove those big hs´s

[Rabbi_NZ]

Very nice work Golden_Eagle, thorough design and tidy work :toast:

I'm in the process of trying to design one for myself too... a few tips (nothing that would give away any specifics) would be greatly appreciated.

1) Do you also supply the power supply for the compressor, or do you just plumb into the existing circuitry to turn it off/on?

2) To maintain a set temperature do you:
* Turn compressor on/off?
* Throttle compressor speed?
* Turn the condensor fan on/off?
* Something else?

3) Did you use Thermistors for temp monitoring or something else?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me :)
Rabb

[Golden_Eagle]

1) The compressor is feed by the 220v line; the controller switches the energy when it´s needed.
2) The temp goes free, it reaches a balance between the phase changer´s
and the precessor´s one.
3)I use ic´s for the probes

[FireDragon]

NICE, work Golden_Eagle I am also designing something like this for my chiller I want it for this list of things.

1) Control the compressor to turn on and off with the temps once I find the chillers happy place.
2) Monitor res temps
3) Control condenser fan speed
4) monitor compressor temps and have a fan come on once a set temp is reached then shut off once it is bellow the temp by a certain margin.
5) And a few other various things that I have forgotten at the moment...(did you know that weed gives you short term memory loss...)o nit pick at.

So that is my plain here…once I design it I will put up a schematic for all of you to nit pick at…

[Revv23]

wow, where do i sign?

:toast: great work m8

[Nerm]

I want 20 please!

lol @ Chilly1! You know if you get 20 you will get 40 PM's going "I want one in my unit" hahahaha :p:

[B5I8]

Any updates on this project?

[Ssilencer]

Done. :D
I will update later...

[chunkylover77]

How can I order one?

[Ssilencer]

G-Froster Value ready too :D
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/9/2/924559ad.jpg
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/6/b/6b4769a1.jpg

[B5I8]

G-Froster Value ready too :D
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/9/2/924559ad.jpg
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/6/b/6b4769a1.jpg
What does this do compared to the Golden Froster?

[Golden_Eagle]

G-Froster Value specs:

• 1 Input for temperature sensor (-67 Fahrenheit or -55Celsius )
• Led display , to show basic information.
• 1 Motherboard power-on/off control.
• 1 Compressor power control.
• Fixed settings (-25c(-13f) power on, 0c(32f) power off) (this parameters can be
customised by user request)
• 5 min Restart delay (this parameters can be
customised by user request)

[Chris_F]

Very nice. What controller and lcd did you use?

[B5I8]

Are those G-Froster Value's the ones you sent to Chilly1? I asked him to integrate a froster unit into my phase change cooler. To bad there's no blue LED Display for the value unit, that would've been sweet.

[Ssilencer]

We sent both models to chilly1 to test them.
An lcd disply for the value is overkill, cause it costs near 50% more, and then you have the full G-Froster X

[B5I8]

We sent both models to chilly1 to test them.
An lcd disply for the value is overkill, cause it costs near 50% more, and then you have the full G-Froster X
A blue LED readout, not an LCD. I don't like the standard red LED display.

[Ssilencer]

A blue LED readout, not an LCD. I don't like the standard red LED display.

OK, if you send me blue led readouts, I use them for your exclusive G-Froster value ;)
For more info, send me a pm

[B5I8]

OK, if you send me blue led readouts, I use them for your exclusive G-Froster value ;)
For more info, send me a pm
I'll show you where they sell them. I'm hoping Chilly1 will install the G-Froster X. I personally don't like to buy "value" anything, I like the full deluxe versions :banana:. You pay more but you get more.

Here's the link to the Blue readouts:
http://store.datel.com/cgi-bin/datel.storefront/42706e8900d9869c271d0c9f8942070b/Catalog/1043

[Golden_Eagle]

Hi B5I8, I´m afraid that this thing they sell is not apropiate for the G-Froster value...
We need 7 segment displays, not voltimeters.
Btw we are in Argentina. It wouldn´t be cheap to import a few parts just for one card to sell.

[B5I8]

Hi B5I8, I´m afraid that this thing they sell is not apropiate for the G-Froster value...
We need 7 segment displays, not voltimeters.
Btw we are in Argentina. It wouldn´t be cheap to import a few parts just for one card to sell.
Oh sorry :eek:. I just thought it'd be nice to have a different color display that's all. Nice work BTW.

[jpm8o4]

Nice work Golden Eagle....This what i've waiting for so a Chilly1 unit I've been thinking of ordering :woot:

[B5I8]

Hi B5I8, I´m afraid that this thing they sell is not apropiate for the G-Froster value...
We need 7 segment displays, not voltimeters.
Btw we are in Argentina. It wouldn´t be cheap to import a few parts just for one card to sell.
Just to let you know, I did find some 7 segment displays in blue that I'm pretty sure will work. Here are the links:

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=356322&Row=24001&Site=US
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=356322&Row=24223&Site=US

[Golden_Eagle]

Oh sorry :eek:. I just thought it'd be nice to have a different color display that's all. Nice work BTW.

U don´t have to be sorry, I bet lots of people like that blue leds, the problem is that we thought of Value version as a real cheap controller.
I apreciate your links :)

[chilly1]

I will see what I can find for 7 segment displays in different colors here in the states...

[Marvin]

After remove the small LCD from my case, i found that would fit like a glove :
http://www.forumpcs.com.br/galeria/albums/userpics/10827/P1010009.JPG
http://www.forumpcs.com.br/galeria/albums/userpics/10827/P1010006%7E0.JPG
http://www.forumpcs.com.br/galeria/albums/userpics/10827/P1010008.JPG
Very nice work...

[Golden_Eagle]

Maybe, but not all the 7 segment led displays are the same.

[MaZeR]

Apologies for my ignorance, why is a restart delay important?

[Cr@sh_D1n3r]

it's used as a protection when you shut off the compressor so the pressure on both side (high and low) equilize and make sure the compressor is safe to restart

[danyblasco2]

Do you have these ones for sale, let me know.





DanyBlasco2



Te prices is gonna be about u$s100.

malachia: you need any interfase (eg: Golden Froster) so u can measure temperature and send it to the diplay

I don´t understand exactly what paint u are asking me to post...
U can download the temp probe datasheet from this linkhttp://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM135.pdf

The LCD used here is not a serial one, it has a standard interface chip (HD44780 or HD44100)

PD: I almoust forgot about it... SILENCER! thanks for starting this thread.

[chilly1]

I got one of each in I will be installing both i units this coming week. I will post a follow up. PM me for Pricing I willbe handling them here in the states.


Very good work GE, SSil.

[Ssilencer]

Thanks, maybe you can put a review in the front page... :D

[halcy]

Is there any type of interface for this to windows software?

[Ssilencer]

Is there any type of interface for this to windows software?

Yes, it's almost ready.

[halcy]

Yes, it's almost ready.
Excellent, USB or serial? And can you post any preview screenshots or capabilities? :)

[Master_G]

Yes, it's almost ready.
Wow, looks almost exactly like the vapochill WinCC.

G

[Aviator747]

I would have to say serial. It says com status in the bottom left hand corner of that pic. :D

[Ssilencer]

Wow, looks almost exactly like the vapochill WinCC.

G

Yes, we need to make some cosmetic changes and add some features.
:D

Yeap, it is serial for now, but Golden Eagle is working in a usb version for the future.

[Golden_Eagle]

It´s a serial interface by now, as aviator747 noticed ;)
However we are planing to intruduce the usb interface in the next generation of controllers.

edit: oops, someone answered that already :slapass:

[Aviator747]

This software will work with the current version of the G-Froster X? I have one on the way from Chilly1 along with some other goodies to make my DD setup.

[Golden_Eagle]

I´m developing the software with the current version of G-Froster X, so you´ll be able to use it.

[Aviator747]

Excellent! Could you post a brief summary of what the software will be capable of, please?

[B5I8]

Wait a minute, so that means I can't use it with my DFI NF4 SLI-DR. It has no serial ports.

[Aviator747]

Pretty much so. The only way would be to buy a PCI serial port card. They are pretty cheap.

[halcy]

Ya lets get that usb support up and running asap.. thats a major selling point for me =)

[Ssilencer]

The DFI NF4 SLI-DR has an internal port for serial, you just need to get a brakett.
The lian li you saw with the G-Froster now is running a dfi nf4 mobo with the brakett.

[Golden_Eagle]

we can offer u a wire with the proper header to connet directly on the motherborad so you don´t have to buy that extra bracket.

[B5I8]

we can offer u a wire with the proper header to connet directly on the motherborad so you don´t have to buy that extra bracket.
Well Chilly1 is supposed to be using a G Froster full version for my single phase change that he's building. He said he's just waiting for the controller unit from you. If you could send that wire to him along with the controller that'd be great.

[chilly1]

I have the G froster full now for yours. And I am also finishing up the case and wiring the unit..

[B5I8]

I have the G froster full now for yours. And I am also finishing up the case and wiring the unit..
Would you know how I can some how wire that thing to my mobo for the serial connection to work?

[Ssilencer]

G-froster Value FR4 production line :D

http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/c/7/c7f82983.jpg
Controller:
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/0/8/0824e3a3.jpg

Display:
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/6/0/60c1e36b.jpg

And the little movies of G-Froster X in action
video 1 (http://evilrulez1.free.fr/frosterdivx.avi )
Video 2 (http://evilrulez1.free.fr/frosterdivx1.avi )

[halcy]

That is dang sweet =) Lets see some video of the windows software!!

[Ssilencer]

Some more pics


Circuit boards
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/0/f/0f2fe1ba.jpg




7 Segment displays in the values

http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/9/a/9afc55f9.jpg

[bachus_anonym]

Awesome! You guys are doing excellent job there :thumbsup:

[MeTsU]

Well done guys, these are looking really good. I know I'll be interested in a couple. :D

[Ssilencer]

I hope so :D

[masterofpuppets]

Is there any chance of making a Linux kernel module for th G-Froster, and a little application for it? Linux users need extreme cooling too!!

[Ssilencer]

As any linux user knows, you can do your own programs for it :D, if you are willing to buy a unit and do it yourself, count on our help

[masterofpuppets]

I'm not gonna spend time just to write a serial driver for it, and a program to interface it. It will require me to have the internal programming of the gfroster, to see what functions it uses.

[Ssilencer]

Well, that was an idea, we offer our help, but if we have to do software for any OS available, the controllers would be too much expensive.

[Bergo]

I disagree, I think that if you (or someone) would create a program so that you could have linux compatibility, you could use it as a major selling point, and since the linux comunity is for the most part open source and volunteer effort, I"m sure you could find someone to give you a hand. writing a program for compatibility with other OS's shouldn't raise the price, it opens up new markets for you, creating mosre ciustomers to buy your product :)
that said, it's a personal choice, your controller, your software, your choice, if you would prefer to jsut sell to the windows-using comunity, and not bother with other os's that don't have as much of a customer base, thats your decision :)

[Ssilencer]

I dont want to argue with you
It's simple, there you have a Linux user, we offer our help, but he dont want it.
The controller is fully configurabble with or without software, cause it has his own front pannel. there arent a big market for controllers, nobody is gonna be rich with this, and is more like a hobby, so yes, we dont have time to do a linux soft, I think Asetek or promie maker neither, and they are fully commercial companies.
we do our best effort to bring a good product, if anyone wants to invest money in this, then we will see linux, win 3.1 or whatever the investor wants :D.

[gclg2000]

I dont want to argue with you
It's simple, there you have a Linux user, we offer our help, but he dont want it.
The controller is fully configurabble with or without software, cause it has his own front pannel. there arent a big market for controllers, nobody is gonna be rich with this, and is more like a hobby, so yes, we dont have time to do a linux soft, I think Asetek or promie maker neither, and they are fully commercial companies.
we do our best effort to bring a good product, if anyone wants to invest money in this, then we will see linux, win 3.1 or whatever the investor wants :D.

Much commends on your work.

Lima in 7 days.

Needs more pics of the initiation rituals.

[Ssilencer]

Much commends on your work.

Lima in 7 days.

Needs more pics of the initiation rituals.

Hey!
I dont have pics of the initiation ritual, I just have a pic of an ex-friend after that...
:D

http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/2/5/2538aefd.jpg

[gclg2000]

I'd hit it..

[zbogorgon]

I didn't noticed to be posted allready, but what are the outer diametres of LCD, i am doing the case now and want to know how big of a hole do i have to do, really planing on buying this later. (i mm please)

[Ssilencer]

I didn't noticed to be posted allready, but what are the outer diametres of LCD, i am doing the case now and want to know how big of a hole do i have to do, really planing on buying this later. (i mm please)

I will send you a pm later, with the diameter of the LCD (X version) and 7 segments (value)

[Ssilencer]

New G-Froster X front pannel and my Single stage front pannel


http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/b/c/bc176f6d.jpg
http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/4/d/4df47c0a.jpg

[Waus-mod]

I like the way you get everybody crazy on youre nice lcd's.... Man what a piece of art. If i get my custom phch i really want a g-froster!

[MeTsU]

Oh boy, this project is looking awesome. I'll see if there's any interest in South Africa, I might buy a couple, ontop of mine :) to send home for my mates.

Looking good and keep it up!

[Ssilencer]

First step finished, 2 final and reliable products.
Second step, to do a new G-Froster Xe controller: USB, change to K type probes, and other surprises already in development.
It would be great to count with any kind of economical support :(
Well, maybe if you buy them. :D

[chilly1]

beautiful fronts...

NO worries I am sure that there will be a demand once we get teh controllers out there.
I will need a few right off for a couple projects I am working on.

[adamwinn]

any idea what the expected price range will be? you could start taking deposits now to help fund the manufacturing of these

[Ssilencer]

any idea what the expected price range will be? you could start taking deposits now to help fund the manufacturing of these

10 frosters value are in transit to Chilly1, and a pair of frosters X (full version) being made , if you want a quote on them, send a pm to Chilly1 or me.

[Mr. Manka]

any news as of late?

[Ssilencer]

What do you want to know Mr Manka?

[Mr. Manka]

how soon till they are released to the general public
how stable is the software

thanks

[Ssilencer]

Frosters are already released to general public
Software will be released in ten days, we are testing stability and features.

[Ssilencer]

Incoming...
:D

http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/4/1/413aa076.jpg

[n00b 0f l337]

*drool*

[halcy]

Looks great, couple questions:
Any further development on a USB interface?
How many thermal probes can the unit monitor?
Can it control more than 1 fan?

[Ssilencer]

It will take a while for the USB interface, but it is in development.
The "X" version can monitor up to 4 thermal probes (comes with one, but you can order the extra probes).
The "X" version can control 2 fans. (2 120mm panaflos for ex.)

[Golden_Eagle]

Can it control more than 1 fan?
It can handle up to 12w

[Revv23]

^so if your running a tornado youll be pushing it hard hehe

[Golden_Eagle]

If you need such a powerful fan, you can always ask for a custom controller.

[Ssilencer]

^so if your running a tornado youll be pushing it hard hehe
Yeap, and your ears too hehehe
If you need to run a tornado, I recommend you to buy a better condenser, but yes, you can order a custom (more powerfull) controller.

[halcy]

Is the fan control based on PWM or turning the voltage up and down?
Can you control the fans based on temp ranges of specific temp probes?

This could be a very useful controller in the watercooling world too... ie if you can get a temp probe into the water loop and control the fans on your rad based on the temp of the water.

[Golden_Eagle]

The fan is controlled by PWM.
The incoming firmware will have an option to set the fan speed based on the evap temp.

We are thinking of making controllers for WC... as always the main obstacles are time and money.

[halcy]

The fan is controlled by PWM.
The incoming firmware will have an option to set the fan speed based on the evap temp.

We are thinking of making controllers for WC... as always the main obstacles are time and money.

Isn't that the truth. Well my hat is off to you guys on your work, very impressive.

[Master_G]

Lol, took a little inspiration from the Vapochill WinCC did we? Looks pretty nice.

G

[sin0822]

does hte value use software?

[Golden_Eagle]

no, G-Froster value has no communications port.

[sin0822]

ok, how much is one? around 100?

[Golden_Eagle]

Please PM chilly1 for a quote if you are in USA
PM Ssilencer or me from other countries.

[sin0822]

i already talked with chilly1, i just wanted to know how much it would cost if i wanted to put one into my case.

[Ssilencer]

i already talked with chilly1, i just wanted to know how much it would cost if i wanted to put one into my case.

We cannot give you quotes here (against the rules), if you talk with chilly1, he can give you a price quote by pm.

[sin0822]

alright, i already talked a little with him about it.

[Aviator747]

Is it a typo on the first page that it can handle 6 thero sensors for the X version? I still have to get my controller from chilly.

[Ssilencer]

Well, the first page was a long time ago, in a galaxy far away...

[Rabbi_NZ]

Could you update the first post to have specs and pictures relating to each version please?

Thanks

[Ssilencer]

Dont worry, that is the only difference, I will update the first post now

[leejsmith]

I have a value unit on it's way from chilly1 to the uk.
Do they come with install instructions as i will have to install it my self.
Does the value unit include a probe ?
if not will it require calibration

[Ssilencer]

The value unit comes with thermal probe.
I will post installation diagrams later for all of you G-Froster customers ;)

[sin0822]

yess btu chilly1 ussualy instals the probe before hand into the evap. wrapping.

[leejsmith]

Thanks Ssilencer, after thinking about it i guess it's not that difficult but it would be good to be sure.

Is there any way to power a 12v fan on the value unit and then just use a fan controller.
How do you set the defaults on the start temp ect.is there any way it can be changed later if i had the correct equipment.

[chilly1]

To use a 12 V fan you can use a relay to start/stop the fan wihtthe unit.. If you need as relay PM me and I will send oyou one I got bunch from a company I bought out.. used but working.. ice cube relay///

[Ssilencer]

The value doesn't controll fans, the X model control fans by evap temp, or you can set it in windows soft.

[leejsmith]

I know it does not have a fan controller but is there 12v on the value card i could use to power a fan.

thanks chilly1 but i have a relay i used to switch a water pump on if not can get them local.

I do have a 240v papst typ 4650n fan i could use but it's a bit of a beast.

on a side note the compressor arived tuesday :toast:



The value doesn't controll fans, the X model control fans by evap temp, or you can set it in windows soft.

[Golden_Eagle]

I wouldn´t advice to load the value psu whith a 12v fan.
btw the settings for the value version are fixed, and set before shiping.

[leejsmith]

NO problem thanks Golden_Eagle :)


I wouldn´t advice to load the value psu whith a 12v fan.
btw the settings for the value version are fixed, and set before shiping.

[jinu117]

I am starting to wonder if the fan control should be controlled by not evap temp but hiside condensor temp (of course, this means the setting need to be modified by individuals depending on gas used, etc). Might be more efficient method...

[Golden_Eagle]

that can be done. but you are gonna need an extra temp probe to do so.

[leejsmith]

Golden_eagle can you do a quick connection guide to the froster value.
My unit arrived today from chilly1 :woot:

edit: dont worry chilly sent them via email :toast:

[Ssilencer]

Good
I'm not in my pc, cause is being worked on the new single stage "MCT, the mother of all singles", the beauty beyond your words, the master of disaster, etc etc etc :D

[Golden_Eagle]

Good
I'm not in my pc, cause is being worked on the new single stage "MCT, the mother of all singles", the beauty beyond your words, the master of disaster, etc etc etc :D

I hope we can make it run at least for a wile :p: LOL

[Ssilencer]

I hope we can make it run at least for a wile :p: LOL

:stick:

[REBEL900]

Hi Golden and ssilencer, i go my unit today from chilly1, and in one of his pm's

he said you guys have a firmware update for my G-froster unit to fix the

short time out when refiring the unit. Also something about software for the

windows interface.

Much appreciated :)

[Ssilencer]

I'm not in my pc right now, you can contact me at msn msporta@cvtci.com.ar, and we can talk about it and send you the firmware update tomorrow.
Are you having trouble the 3 minutes restart? I'm using 3 minutes in my own build without trouble, but with the new firm and sioft you can change it to whatever you want.
Also, make sure you have a 12v fan, so you can control the fan speed with the froster X.
Do you have any pics or you can share with us your experience with the controller

[REBEL900]

Hi Ssilencer. i haven't installed anything yet, i am just following what Chilly1 said in one of his PM's to me about the G-froster unit. The 3minute start is no problem, but what is a good enough low temp. to start the computer? Is -10c acceptable? I believe this is the same as the Vapochills.

[halcy]

It probably depends on what your chip needs to perform the overclock you want.

[Ssilencer]

It probably depends on what your chip needs to perform the overclock you want.
Yes, sure
We are finishing my own unit righ now, I will test the software and tomorrow I hope I can upload or mail it to you

[jinu117]

Hi Ssilencer. i haven't installed anything yet, i am just following what Chilly1 said in one of his PM's to me about the G-froster unit. The 3minute start is no problem, but what is a good enough low temp. to start the computer? Is -10c acceptable? I believe this is the same as the Vapochills.

I would go by -5c from hottest temp of evap the system will ever see :P Gives you some room while compressor is working up to temp and you won't crash in middle of booting up :)

[chilly1]

Hi Ssilencer. i haven't installed anything yet, i am just following what Chilly1 said in one of his PM's to me about the G-froster unit. The 3minute start is no problem, but what is a good enough low temp. to start the computer? Is -10c acceptable? I believe this is the same as the Vapochills.
it starts automatically at -25C

[sin0822]

sometimes my system needs time to go low, and if it has heavy load on it first it takes much longer to hit lower temps. Thats why i run the system stock for 10 mins then go directly to ocing.

[leejsmith]

Golden , SS or chilly,

The value froster i have does not match the instructions chilly sent.
on the instructions it shows on the left side the probe , 5v monitor and 9-12vac connections but on the one i have it only has 2 connections.

the right side has pwr switch and mobo switch plus compressor on in the instructions and mine has a 3rd 2 pin conector.

is this the 5v monitor ?.

what is the jumper for and the 5 pin header.

i have a 12v ac 250ma transformer is this ok to power the froster.

What is the best way to attach the probe to the evap head drilling a small hole.

sorry for all the questions just want to make sure i dont damage it.

[halcy]

How exactly is the GoldenFroster controlling powering up/down the machine? Are you plugging the PSU's AC cable into the back of chilly's unit? Or is it running a wire up inside the machine to where the psu connects to the mobo?

Thanks

[Ssilencer]

Golden , SS or chilly,

The value froster i have does not match the instructions chilly sent.
on the instructions it shows on the left side the probe , 5v monitor and 9-12vac connections but on the one i have it only has 2 connections.

the right side has pwr switch and mobo switch plus compressor on in the instructions and mine has a 3rd 2 pin conector.

is this the 5v monitor ?.

what is the jumper for and the 5 pin header.

i have a 12v ac 250ma transformer is this ok to power the froster.

What is the best way to attach the probe to the evap head drilling a small hole.

sorry for all the questions just want to make sure i dont damage it.


This is the correct value instalation

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5523/gfvalueinstalation6xt.jpg

The jumper is for select Centigrades or Farenheit

A 12v ac 250ma is not apropiate, you need a 9v AC 500mA
Forget about the 5 pinheader, it was just to program.

Any other question, you can contact Golden by PM

That is a good way to attach the thermal probe, you can also stick the probe with a thermal epoxy.

[leejsmith]

thanks Ssilencer that covers everything.
I have a small 12v dc psu pcb that i am going to use for a 12v fan and will get a 9v 500ma ac transformer for the value froster.

[kayl]

can we have some pics of the Lm335 probe, and its construction.
How are you insulating it, i dont want the probes legs to rust in time hehe

is that a beab probe, or an ic page, to memory they come in a few different forms/packages

[jinu117]

can we have some pics of the Lm335 probe, and its construction.
How are you insulating it, i dont want the probes legs to rust in time hehe

is that a beab probe, or an ic page, to memory they come in a few different forms/packages

Lemme make guess... TO-92 :P

[Tyrou]

can you make a special version of the g-froster ? I need something to control a cascade cooler :D

Thanks

[Golden_Eagle]

can you make a special version of the g-froster ? I need something to control a cascade cooler :D

Thanks

Yes, it can be done. Send pm with your requirements.

[Golden_Eagle]

about the temp probes...

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/2663/lm3352ca.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

G-Frosters comes with one LM335H IC probe.
This is the package (http://www.national.com/packaging/folders/h03h.html)

More info in the manufacturer datasheet (http://www.national.com/ds.cgi/LM/LM135.pdf)

PD1: Im working on the new firmware. I´ll let you know when it´s ready.
PD2: We are open to suggestions and comments.

[sin0822]

ssilence and golden eagle i jsut wanted to thnak you guys again for an awsome controller! :)

[Golden_Eagle]

You are wellcome.
I´m glad you like it

[Ssilencer]

ssilence and golden eagle i jsut wanted to thnak you guys again for an awsome controller! :)

Thanks man!

[REBEL900]

Hi Ssilencer or GoldenEagle, I am wondering if you got the software and

firmware going.

Also do you have a manual or instruction booklet on how to connect the

unit's wiring to the mobo. I have a some gray wires coming out the unit, one

is a serial port, the other is a 2pin male connector i ground to start the count

down on the unit. The molex i believe is for the fan, but the others i'm lost.

I send pic to show. Thank you for any info on this, i think ur Golden -Froster

rivals that from ASETEK. :)

Sorry for the newbness :rolleyes:

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunitwiringforgoldenfroster4dl.jpg

[Ssilencer]

Hi Ssilencer or GoldenEagle, I am wondering if you got the software and

firmware going.

Also do you have a manual or instruction booklet on how to connect the

unit's wiring to the mobo. I have a some gray wires coming out the unit, one

is a serial port, the other is a 2pin male connector i ground to start the count

down on the unit. The molex i believe is for the fan, but the others i'm lost.

I send pic to show. Thank you for any info on this, i think ur Golden -Froster

rivals that from ASETEK. :)

Sorry for the newbness :rolleyes:

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunitwiringforgoldenfroster4dl.jpg

Molex goes to any molex on your psu, it gets the reading of the 5v to protect your computer.
the 2 pin male conector goes to the 2 pin female conector for the power button on your Pc case.
The 2 pin female conector goes to the pwr on on your motherboard.
the last one is the serial port, well, conect to yopur serial port so you can upgrade firmare and get and send info to the froster.

my msn is msporta@cvtci.com.ar so you can get the beta software and firmware update.

[REBEL900]

Hey thanks for your response Ssilencer i have another wire i forgot to snap.

It's blue and white, pic shown. Is this ur e-mail or messenger, i couldn'r get

either. Will try tomorrow again. Thanks! :)


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1984/chilly1sunitwiringforgoldenfro.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chilly1sunitwiringforgoldenfro.jpg)

[Ssilencer]

Hey thanks for your response Ssilencer i have another wire i forgot to snap.

It's blue and white, pic shown. Is this ur e-mail or messenger, i couldn'r get

either. Will try tomorrow again. Thanks! :)


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1984/chilly1sunitwiringforgoldenfro.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chilly1sunitwiringforgoldenfro.jpg)

thats my messenger, not my mail

[REBEL900]

i'm on!

[Ssilencer]

i'm on!

I'm waiting... add me

[REBEL900]

i did I'm rebel900rr@hotmail.com

[chilly1]

Hey thanks for your response Ssilencer i have another wire i forgot to snap.

It's blue and white, pic shown. Is this ur e-mail or messenger, i couldn'r get

either. Will try tomorrow again. Thanks! :)


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1984/chilly1sunitwiringforgoldenfro.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chilly1sunitwiringforgoldenfro.jpg)
That is the 12 V from the fan port on the controller So if you wanted to connect an additional fan it is there..

[s7e9h3n]

How about for my new little toy? ;)
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/6457/stock5is.jpg
It's a Polycold Autocascade modded by Chilly for DOD use. I don't have any info on the unti basides the fact that it's 240V, but it was previously owned by Charlie and Chilly did all the work on it. A controller would be awesome since this is basically a switch-on-and-go unit right now. I'd be interested in the full version of course....PM me if we can do this :toast: Thanks.

[Ssilencer]

How about for my new little toy? ;)
It's a Polycold Autocascade modded by Chilly for DOD use. I don't have any info on the unti basides the fact that it's 240V, but it was previously owned by Charlie and Chilly did all the work on it. A controller would be awesome since this is basically a switch-on-and-go unit right now. I'd be interested in the full version of course....PM me if we can do this :toast: Thanks.

We can do whatever you want ;) just do a list of features and send it to me by pm.

Man, we are astonished, we was honored with a sticky here, I have no words to thanks.

[Ssilencer]

G-Froster windows controll running

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2530/venice33524fr.jpg

[serial_killer]

How about for my new little toy? ;)
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/6457/stock5is.jpg
It's a Polycold Autocascade modded by Chilly for DOD use. I don't have any info on the unti basides the fact that it's 240V, but it was previously owned by Charlie and Chilly did all the work on it. A controller would be awesome since this is basically a switch-on-and-go unit right now. I'd be interested in the full version of course....PM me if we can do this :toast: Thanks.

I want that autocascade :) Looks kinda cool! How cold can that cascade go?? :confused:

[chilly1]

How about for my new little toy? ;)
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/6457/stock5is.jpg
It's a Polycold Autocascade modded by Chilly for DOD use. I don't have any info on the unti basides the fact that it's 240V, but it was previously owned by Charlie and Chilly did all the work on it. A controller would be awesome since this is basically a switch-on-and-go unit right now. I'd be interested in the full version of course....PM me if we can do this :toast: Thanks.
Hey THe fulls version will do that autocascade fine.. IT is withing the temperature range of its operation and will provice fan and compressor control you will need to ues a relay because the compressor has too high a run amp.. I can set the whole thing up as soon as the new units come in...

[s7e9h3n]

I want that autocascade :) Looks kinda cool! How cold can that cascade go?? :confused:
It's gonna look very cool by the time I'm done with it ;) It'll drop down to about -65C evap and hold my fx55 diego @ 1.75 @ -50C Evap loaded.

@chilly: I'll get in touch with you when I'm ready to do this......Thanks!

[sin0822]

It's gonna look very cool by the time I'm done with it ;) It'll drop down to about -65C evap and hold my fx55 diego @ 1.75 @ -50C Evap loaded.

@chilly: I'll get in touch with you when I'm ready to do this......Thanks!

Isnt htat warm for a cascade?

[Ssilencer]

Isnt htat warm for a cascade?

AUTOcascade...

[s7e9h3n]

AUTOcascade...
TY Ssilencer ;) - yes an autocascade is a SINGLE compressor.....

[sin0822]

gotcha, i didnt read it correctly.

[serial_killer]

It's gonna look very cool by the time I'm done with it ;) It'll drop down to about -65C evap and hold my fx55 diego @ 1.75 @ -50C Evap loaded.

@chilly: I'll get in touch with you when I'm ready to do this......Thanks!

sounds great. maybe we next see your 2 or 3 state cascadecooler. BTW haw U built that autocascade by your self or is chilly or fugger or someone else helped U?

[s7e9h3n]

sounds great. maybe we next see your 2 or 3 state cascadecooler. BTW haw U built that autocascade by your self or is chilly or fugger or someone else helped U?
Nah, I actually could have bought a dual compressor cascade, but I always wanted to play with an autocascade. Charlie had originally obtained a Polycold autocascade and had it modded by Chilly for DOD use. I bought it from him when he decided he didn't need it, PM me if you want more info because we're way off topic here ;) .....Sorry SSliencer and Golden Eagle :(

[Weee]

Send these things to Chilly1 as fast as you can!!! =P

[Ssilencer]

Send these things to Chilly1 as fast as you can!!! =P

Yes Sir!!

Lol

[Weee]

That's what I like to hear ;)

[Batt[o]]

Yes Sir!!

Lol


Owned

LOL :P

[BlueAqua]

Ok, I was just messing around with it and plugged in a dummy power switch and the molex connector to running power supply and of course plugged the main power cord in. After the 5 minute wait I start it up(just with the evap in the air) and it starts great, says On.... PC On.... then gives me what I think is an error code of E7C I believe. The evap gets nice and cold but I dont' know how cold. Do I have to connect it to the motherboard power on switch to let this work correctly just for testing it out? Overall I really like this and am very impressed.

Any suggestions?

[Golden_Eagle]

Check the coneccion of the temp probe.

Is the temp reading ok till you guet the "pc on" screen??

[BlueAqua]

This is a quck video I took. It starts with the unit off, then pushing the power on button and then after I get the reading of -E7C I push the power button again and get ---.

The unit gets nice and cold. I checked the wire from the Gfroster to the temperature probe and it's intact and connected but I didn't check continuity.

So I assume it's supposed to work like this:
Power button on
Screen says "On"
Temperature starts to lower but is displaying some temperature
Once temp hits -25 then "Pc On"
Then displays temp the whole time and continues to display this.

http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=8252794

Please any help you would be would be great. Thanks

BlueAqua

[boostedevo]

My G-Froster Value just started acting up in a similar way not even 2-3 days ago (after a couple of months of working just fine). Instead of starting at like 24-25C ("room temp"), cooling off to ~ -23C and turning the PC on, the temp reads low on initial start-up (like -87C, which my be your "-E7C") and slowly climbs up. Difference between yours and mine is that it will still read temp instead of --- and that temp seems to be about normal after 5 min or so of the PC being on. CPU temps are the same as before so it's either the controller or the temp probe.

The problem is, instead of waiting to turn the PC on, it starts it right away because the temp reading is so cold. The first time it happened, mine did a thermal shutdown because the evap didn't have enough time to cool off before it powered up the mobo.

I have my 5V lead from the G-Froster connected to a spare PSU and I turn the unit separately, let it cool off for about 5 min. and then power the PC on manually.

I thought it was just me having a fluke, but maybe there's more to it if I am not the only one...

[Golden_Eagle]

There are 2 presets on the controller, they are used for calibration purposes. If any of you have made any adjustment to them, let me know so I can tell you how to correct it.

If that´s not your case...
boostedevo:
I think the temp probe isn´t working ok, but i´m not completely sure.
I´d like you to unplug the temp probe from the board, and tell me what do you get on the display while the phase is cooling down.
It´s a really weird failure, that the temp reading becomes normal after a while.
The voltage between the temp probe terminals should be 2.98v at 25ºc (it has to be attached to the controller) I´t would be great if you can test that.
BlueAqua, your problem could be a shortcircuit in the temp probe, can you unplug the probe and check it with a continuity tester?

[boostedevo]

Golden_Eagle, I haven't touched anything on the controller at all.

1) Unplug temp probe w/ unit on, it reads "HI".
2) Unplug temp probe w/ unit off and then turn on, it reads "E8C".
3) Voltage at the pins when LED reads ~ 0C = 2.75V
4) Voltage at the pins when LED reads ~ -42C = 2.30V.

I'll test the voltage again the next time I do a cold boot and the evap is up to "room temp". According to the temp probe, that may be 24-26C or -85 to -90C :)

[boostedevo]

I left the unit off for about an hour and fired it up with the DMM leads on the pins and the probe connected. Oddly enough, I now get the exact same error that BlueAqua does (E7C) and voltage is way down on the probe (.46-.50V). I restarted it a few times, but the error and voltage remains unchanged.

[BlueAqua]

Ok I've taken a resistance reading from the load side of the temperature probe that connected to the circuit board and got about 45 ohms with the probe somewhat less than ambiant (21C). It wasn't acutally connected at this time when I did the measurements. This to me sounds about right, what do you think?

Also I took a resistance reading of the 2 pins on the circuit board and got infinite, so that sounds right.

[s7e9h3n]

Ok I've taken a resistance reading from the load side of the temperature probe that connected to the circuit board and got about 45 ohms with the probe somewhat less than ambiant (21C). This to me sounds about right, what do you think?

Also I took a resistance reading of the 2 pins on the circuit board and got infinite, so that sounds right.
Ummm....you can't test for resistance when something's connected in a circuit......

[BlueAqua]

Ummm....you can't test for resistance when something's connected in a circuit......

I disconnected it and that's why I have 2 different readings.

[Carlz0r]

Just wondering, what PICs are actually used in that?

[Golden_Eagle]

boostedevo:
All the voltage readings seems to be acurrate, but not the last one.
Could you separate the temp prob from the evaporator and redo the last test? "...left the unit off for about an hour and fired..."
If the problem persists, I´d try with a new temp probe. You could probably get a cheap LM335Z in a local store, it will be fine to do the test.

BlueAqua: I get a reading of ~40 Kohms in a new temp probe. If you are getting 45 Ohms you definitely need another temp probe. Contact chilly1 and see if he can change your´s for a newone.
Btw the resistence measurement will not tell you the temperature of the probe.

[BlueAqua]

Ok, I have it figured out. It turns out that when I received the unit the 2 wire cable was off and I hooked it up like you were supposed to, but it turns out that the 2 wires were swapped and it didn't work. So I swapped them around and now all works as designed. Man, that was quite a relief. It's now awesome to see -57C. That was with no load and just in open air but quite awesome to see. I can't wait to get it hooked up and get it all going. One question though.

Is there a shutdown function associated with this and how does that work? I didn't have it hooked up to my motherboard but when I shutdown windows will that turn the unit off or do I have to hook up some kind of a power switch. When I press the power button all I get is ---. I don't know if this is right or now but we're making good progress.

I ended taking another resistance reading and got 40Kohms this time. I think I was on the wrong scale or something. I just use an old analog radio shack model so it's not all too accurate but gets me by until I get my Fluke.

[boostedevo]

G_E: I'l try to get around to that this week...I have a Fry's local that usually has a decent selection. Oddly enough, ever since doing that voltage test, I shut it down for a couple of hours and when I came back to the "room temp" turn-on test, all I've gotten since is the E7C code.

I am waiting for Chilly1 to finish up something else and this unit is going to be sent back to him at some point anyway, so I'll let him deal with it if I haven't figured it out by then ;) I'll keep you posted if/when I swap the probe though...

[Golden_Eagle]

BlueAqua: I´m glad you figured out. It was driving me crazy hehehe.
The pahse changer will be turned off when you shotdown windows, after the 5v on the psu are gone. That´s when the "---" screen goes away.
If you press the power botton, the whole system will be shot down ( the power button should be set in the BIOS, to the option that shots down windows)
To do a complete test, you should connect the controller to the mobo, an to the PC-PSU.
G-Froster will take care of the whole system, so you can use your pc like a fan-cooled one.

Boostedevo: Stay touch. i´m still wondering what happend to your controller. I supose a probe replacement will be enough.

[Gray Mole]

I PM'd Ssilencer but he hasn't been online so I'll just ask here.

I've got a Mach1 I just modded and it's working great but the controller is pretty awful, and it looks like the hold reset is just holding so unless i can sort that out, and mod the temp probe resistance, it's just too awkward to work with.

Can the golden froster (basic version) just be wired in? I mean can I use the existing temp probe with it to avoid having to strip down the head?

Could I use the one fan controller for the fans, and the other for the evap heater? Or does the basic version come with dual fan control?

I can wire things up without a problem if some small changes were needed, but it's the controller itself I just wonder about. Mainly the temp probe. Also can I use my fluke to read the temps and calibrate the readout with it? The full version I'd assume yes, but was wondering about the basic just to keep the switch inexpensive.

Also if you could PM me a price for UK shipped that would be great :)

Cheers

Gray

[jinu117]

Since I haven't been able to track down ssilencer myself, I will chime in for you Gray.
#1. NTC Thermistor is used on mach I while LM335 is used on froster.. incompatible. Maybe some software rewrite could be done but it would be a lot of work with table and equation on their end.
#2. Fan controller probably could be reprogrammed. But I doubt it can handle much power. What is resistance of heatpad?

[chilly1]

I PM'd Ssilencer but he hasn't been online so I'll just ask here.

I've got a Mach1 I just modded and it's working great but the controller is pretty awful, and it looks like the hold reset is just holding so unless i can sort that out, and mod the temp probe resistance, it's just too awkward to work with.

Can the golden froster (basic version) just be wired in? I mean can I use the existing temp probe with it to avoid having to strip down the head?

Could I use the one fan controller for the fans, and the other for the evap heater? Or does the basic version come with dual fan control?

I can wire things up without a problem if some small changes were needed, but it's the controller itself I just wonder about. Mainly the temp probe. Also can I use my fluke to read the temps and calibrate the readout with it? The full version I'd assume yes, but was wondering about the basic just to keep the switch inexpensive.

Also if you could PM me a price for UK shipped that would be great :)

Cheers

Gray
The basic controller can be used the temp probe is of a different type but you can attach teh probe to the suctionline under the neck of the suctionline and get emps somewhere near.. closer than most mach display's. The temps are close to accurate.. and you can adjust them a little..

[jan]

Does anybody have a manual or diagram which describes how to wire the golden froster x & value up?

[dward3]

Here's the G-Froster Value diagram :)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8238/gfvalueinstalation6xt5su.jpg

[Golden_Eagle]

Does anybody have a manual or diagram which describes how to wire the golden froster x & value up?

It looks like you finally got the package.
I´m really sorry about the delay, only god knows where the 1º package is.
BTW, I´m sending you a pm right now.

[jan]

thx for the answer. :)

[Sneil]

Im curious as to how far out the lcd screen sticks our from the green board its attached to. my cooler's in an acrylic box with 1/4" thick walls that i'd like to cut to fit an xe in. I'd like the screen to stick out at 1mm or at the very least, be flush with the wall.. can someone give me an idea of the thickness?
thanks

[Golden_Eagle]

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6947/lcd16x27yy.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Sneil]

thanks! wow, for some reason i didnt know the screen was so small. guess i was assuming the Xe version was the X. so there are two rows for digits in the Xe, not 4 like the X? i don't remember reading anywere in the thread what the Xe version offers. is it just that it supports 2 fans and 2 thermal probes instead of 4? thanks again :)

[B5I8]

So when's the software going to be ready for the Golden Frosters? My temp sensor is off by 10°C so it needs to be calibrated.

[Rabbi_NZ]

Hi,
Is there a list of features for each of the models somewhere?

Sorry if I've missed it... this is a massive thread now.

Also, who do I contact about the pricing?

Good work guys :toast:

[Carlz0r]

Wish I could afford one of these. Ssilencer or Golden, think prices will drop at all in the near future?

[Sneil]

Hi,
Is there a list of features for each of the models somewhere?

Sorry if I've missed it... this is a massive thread now.

Also, who do I contact about the pricing?

Good work guys :toast:
chilly1 for north america, Ssilencer/Goldeneagle for anywhere else i believe

[Ssilencer]

Hi guys, I'm moving to a new house, and I'm recicling it right now, I don't have phone or internet yet, so I'm in a ciber cafe :(
There will be good news about the controllers soon, so, stay tunned :)

[Sneil]

There will be good news about the controllers soon, so, stay tunned :)
is this good news for the current controllers, ie software update, or for new versions? im wondering so as to see if i should wait to place an order with chilly1
So when's the software going to be ready for the Golden Frosters? My temp sensor is off by 10°C so it needs to be calibrated.
I really don't want to purchase and have this problem if its unfixable... Is this a problem? how acurate to the +/- C are the sensors?
thanks if i hopefully get a reply to this :(

[Weee]

I'd like to get the full documentation for mine GFroster Full I got with my Chilly1 Unit, could I get a PM where to download it from ?

[Sneil]

yeesh where's the customer service? is this thread supposed to be dead or what? :mad:

EDIT: sorry sSilencer, forgot you dont have a house just yet.. im still staying tuned...

[chilly1]

ssilencer is moving and is without internet other then when he goes to an internes cafe... Golden is asslepp I will contact him and we will ge t the software uploaded and I will stickie a link. We has some ssues with the latest version of the firmware and I want to get it fixed first...

[chilly1]

Bryce I will send you a new controller when they arrive.. Wee Njkid has a copy now so when he gets up PM him ...

[Levish]

could I trouble you to post the frosterX diagram? (full version)

I inadvertedly yanked out the ones that lead to turn on the mobo/molex/power on switch

[B5I8]

Bryce I will send you a new controller when they arrive.. Wee Njkid has a copy now so when he gets up PM him ...
No need for that. Golden sent me firmware version 3.2 along with the software. While I can't get the software to install properly, I did get it to run so I changed the temp reading. Thanks for the offer though. Everything is running fine and dandy with the unit so I'm happy now :D.

[chilly1]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40602


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40603


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40604

[Levish]

thank you chilly! that's perfect

[Sneil]

are the first two pics of the Xe and the last of the full X version? if so then there's no keypad for the Xe? I want to program my units name onto the lcd.. hrmm u getting the fullX version in anytime soon chilly?

[jinu117]

are the first two pics of the Xe and the last of the full X version? if so then there's no keypad for the Xe? I want to program my units name onto the lcd.. hrmm u getting the fullX version in anytime soon chilly?

No, it is latest verison of X and early version of X.
XE looks significantly different and not available yet.

[Sneil]

I think the XE is available, i pm'd chilly1 and he said all he had was the values and XEs in his stock. i was assuming the XE was a dummbed down version of the full. I don't want a dumbed down version of anything! hehe
i could be wrong tho..

[jinu117]

I think the XE is available, i pm'd chilly1 and he said all he had was the values and XEs in his stock. i was assuming the XE was a dummbed down version of the full. I don't want a dumbed down version of anything! hehe
i could be wrong tho..

You could probably still order X if you asked and deal with wiring... I prefer new interface of XE myself after using one X. Functionality wise, they are same thing really. :woot: And much cleaning wiring from what I can see.

[Golden_Eagle]

sneil you can program your name in the LCD an much more, by using the windows sofware either in X´s or Xe´s controllers; No need of keyboard.

btw, as Jinu117 said Xe is a new version of controller, NO dummbed version.
We improbed many things that make it easyer for the user to do the installation process.