View Full Version : Ultimate A64 Ram Poll !
hello to you all , xtremers !
Just wanna see what's the best ddr modules out there.
Our Options Will be -
1. TCCD
2. OCZ VX
3. OCZ EB
4. BH-5
we are talking xtreme memory - so dont wanna read here considering it's price and stuff like that .... u can save it to other forums ....
Torin
01-04-2005, 11:25 AM
I voted TCCD... I think VX is better for FX CPUs though.
VX is better for FX , why ? open multi's X relativly "low" fsb comparing to TCCD ?
Torin
01-04-2005, 11:37 AM
Lower FSB than TCCD, but tighter timings. Since non-FX A64s are upward locked, you can hit an OC limit (assuming you are using 1:1) on the memory before the CPU maxes out. With TCCD, you're more than likely going to be able to hit the max CPU OC with lower than stock multi. Since FX have open multi, you can get the max CPU OC with the tight timings.
lol - thats exactly what i was saying ...
open multi of the fx X "low" fsb of the VX , on the other hand non fx - lower multi's but higher fsb on ram ...
besides - ppl - throw in some words about your choice ....
like which socket u r talking about, what cpu's like torin did ...
this info can help a lot of fellows here later ....
craig588
01-04-2005, 11:45 AM
I like BH5 because you just can't kill it. You can throw 4V at it and still get clock speed boosts without comprimising the life of the memory drasticly.
Reflex1
01-04-2005, 11:46 AM
TCCD for normal use and VX for benching... since u need high voltage for VX
but A64 have more advantages with low timings than P4's etc. which is why VX is good. BH-5 is also good, but not many 1 gig sets do well.
Torin
01-04-2005, 11:47 AM
TCCD and VX should run equally well on 754 and 939. You may even be able to get away with VX on a higher multi A64 like a 3500 or higher. 11x250=2750, which would be a fine option for air or water. Other than the whole prime95 fiasco with 0.9nm 939s, a higher multi on the newcastles would work well with VX to eliminate the memory bottleneck.
I'd say if you could hit your max CPU OC in 1:1 with VX, go with VX. Otherwise, TCCD will give you better results.
BTW ppl - this thread is not for finding a ram for me ...
Dont look on my sig. and try to pick something for me ....
Just the best ram for A64 platform ....
Also - I know All the data is spread on many other threads here - but some questions that will help a lot - perhaps even make this one sticky or something like that -
How's VX doing on "LOW" voltage - 3.2-3.4 ?
TCCD at 300mhz, 3-4-4-8 will compare to VX/BH-5 at 2-2-2-5 at what speed ?
Max MHZ for dual channel for BH-5 VS. VX modules ?
Bungo
01-04-2005, 11:54 AM
I would say that bh5 still is the best mem for Xtreme benching.
For what could match bh5 running at 280 with 2-2-2 timings?
Vx,tccd and eb only got one "real" advantage and that is that they oc well "on" 2*512mb packs.
JBREAKS
01-04-2005, 11:56 AM
voted tccd coz ive got it and i like it
skate2snow
01-04-2005, 11:57 AM
TCCD for normal use and VX for benching... since u need high voltage for VX
but A64 have more advantages with low timings than P4's etc. which is why VX is good. BH-5 is also good, but not many 1 gig sets do well. P4 are more Latencies depend then A64 S939.... A64 S939 prefers balanced timings.... I won't enter in much details, but it is because it as an high Bandwidth....
I would say that bh5 still is the best mem for Xtreme benching.
For what could match bh5 running at 280 with 2-2-2 timings?
Vx,tccd and eb only got one "real" advantage and that is that they oc well "on" 2*512mb packs.
that's right only if u r talking about 2X256 modules of course ...
but still - not many ppl can get 280 2-2-2-5 from bh-5 i think - not even with 2X256 ...
mcnbns
01-04-2005, 12:07 PM
I voted for EB because I have it, first of all. :) I bought it with the intention of using it an Athlon 64 at a later date, but right now my old NF7-S can't go as high as my EB wants.
EB is awesome memory because it's been known to go up to 270-290+ with 3.3V and 3-2-2-X, often even with 2x512MB modules. I regret not having bought the full gig now that's it's out of production. :(
Michael
01-04-2005, 12:09 PM
I voted TCCD. But I remember the Ballistix's Micron G's at some times outperforming TCCD.
skate2snow
01-04-2005, 12:12 PM
Micheal is right.
I put the Ballistixs and the TCCD's on the same boat....
I thought all ballistix are tccd ?
what's that micron you r talking about m8's ?
Bungo
01-04-2005, 12:55 PM
Of C i meant 256mb sticks when i was talking 280MHz. 512mb sticks of bh5 stinks :P
Sure u need some luck to get good sticks but there are a few that can make 280 with enough voltage.
Im really satisfied with my gig of EB and i will prolly keep em for a good while :)
L0$t Pr0PhEt
01-04-2005, 01:09 PM
TCCD because of low mp
Of C i meant 256mb sticks when i was talking 280MHz. 512mb sticks of bh5 stinks :P
Sure u need some luck to get good sticks but there are a few that can make 280 with enough voltage.
Im really satisfied with my gig of EB and i will prolly keep em for a good while :)
Still - VX offers almost on every pair - 270mhz with 2X512 ...
Me happy with my EB as well btw ....
skate2snow
01-04-2005, 01:55 PM
I thought all ballistix are tccd ?
what's that micron you r talking about m8's ? Micron is a Micro Devices manufaturer. Crucial is a division of Micron and carries their chips which are able to do high speeds at 3-2-2-7...
Michael
01-04-2005, 01:59 PM
Micron is a Micro Devices manufaturer. Crucial is a division of Micron and carries their chips which are able to do high speeds at 3-2-2-7...It appears that the Micron G's on the Ballistix are modified either by Micron or Crucial for better performance for the Buffalo PC3200 Micron G (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-150-617&depa=1) doesn't perform anywhere near the levels of the Ballistix.
skate2snow
01-04-2005, 02:02 PM
Crucial, which is a Division of Micron, as the best chips handpicked....
esdee
01-04-2005, 02:22 PM
i voted for VX because im willing to supply high voltage even for 24/7 ... 260 2-2-2-5 is so much better than 280 2.5-3-3-7 (at least for me!)
i voted for VX because im willing to supply high voltage even for 24/7 ... 260 2-2-2-5 is so much better than 280 2.5-3-3-7 (at least for me!)
but .... there's always the slight chance of burning the cpu ....
dont forget the mem controller is inside da cpu on a64 ...
esdee
01-04-2005, 02:51 PM
but .... there's always the slight chance of burning the cpu ....
dont forget the mem controller is inside da cpu on a64 ...
newer CPUs don't seem to have such problem ... and by the way i don't think Vdimm goes thought the CPU die.
Anyway 3.4V doesn't seem to be a problem
newer CPUs don't seem to have such problem ... and by the way i don't think Vdimm goes thought the CPU die.
Anyway 3.4V doesn't seem to be a problem
I've seen some ppl here complaining about dead FX-55 from too much Volts in it - now FX is kinda big lost to burn ....
besides - where will you get VX with 3.4V ? got any answers ? I wanna know also !
esdee
01-04-2005, 03:01 PM
I've seen some ppl here complaining about dead FX-55 from too much Volts in it - now FX is kinda big lost to burn ....
besides - where will you get VX with 3.4V ? got any answers ? I wanna know also !
I know about that FX problems,don't know what to say tho... but no problem with my setup and 3.5V for the last 5 days! (i accidentaly run 4.7V today! PSU fried)
you can check the VX bandwidth in the VX thread ... i don't own such RAM by the way
found out something intresting in local forum here -
A guy bought VX and he saying at 3.5V they can do 330mhz - 3-4-4-8,2t .... what ya say about that ?
enzoR
01-05-2005, 09:43 AM
i dont believe that untill i see a screenshot
here's a link for ya - sorry about the hebrew over there - but ya can all understand cpu-z screens ... it's like inl. language ?
http://www.hwzone.co.il/community/index.php?topic=101039.10
esdee
01-05-2005, 10:54 AM
i can only see 275Mhz @ 2-2-2 on the first thread page
it's the first post on page #2 ....
enzoR
01-05-2005, 11:24 AM
it wants me to sign in to view the pic. can you just post it plz?
ouch sorry ....
lol
will do in a few seconds !
o.k - there ya go - btw - plz dont kill me - just noticed it's a single channel ....
but still - http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/413472257.jpg
Torin
01-05-2005, 11:42 AM
o.k - there ya go - btw - plz dont kill me - just noticed it's a single channel ....
but still - http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/413472257.jpg
1x512 too..
yup, 512mb - but still - havent seen ppl trying to run VX on high FSB - altough I know - tccd can do it with 2.8-2.9 without any problems ...