Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[esdee]

bought them today, tested for 2 hours. What do you guys think?

data on the IC's are

TWINMOS
04514
TMD7608F8Ε50D

The third pic shows that the 166multi works just fine!

will post a pic of the Chips later (now they burn in hell... eeeer my PC)


My setup is

Winch 3500+
MSI Neo2
Twinmos DDR3200 rated cl 2.5 (LOL)

----------------------------------------------------------------


OK So far these are the things we have to look for for those chips!


DIMMS Found With UTT
-----------------------
(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium (04464 production week,a 4 at the end help too)
(*) Twinmos\Twinmos Twinmos\Mtec chips (cheap ones) (04514 ,same as above)

Make sure if you can take a look at the chips of the RAM that there are
---------------------------------------------------------------------
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) Metal Dots (two in each side!)
(*) AA4T (not AADT)
(*) week 0xxx4 (the ending 4 is winbond chips)






AND THE OFFICIAL TWINMOS CHIP/RAM GUIDE!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=774504#post774504

[Nazaar]

twinmoss twister ?

[esdee]

twinmoss twister ?

whats that?

[mcnbns]

Is it just me or does that RAM perform like BH-5?

BTW, esdee, have you read the Fight Club book? It's awesome.

[fragsta]

nice find, i have a pair of twinmoss with 50D chips

[esdee]

Is it just me or does that RAM perform like BH-5?

BTW, esdee, have you read the Fight Club book? It's awesome.


Ι'd say they perform more like VX :D

Haven't read the book! (although i knew there is one)

[Zeus]

That's relabled BH-5 or BH-6 can't be anything else.

[Jamo]

whats that?

its higher grade ram with yellow heatspreaders, from what i heard the twister pro is TCCD, however a while ago standard twinmos was in fact bh-5 chips, but the winbond markings were left on, so i'd hazard a guess its not bh-5 but good ram anyway

[CrimeDog]

yeah twinmos had a good supply of bh5 that they released, i don't think it was usually rebranded though

[tictac]

can you check with CPUZ what production date they got

:)

[MrQ3W]

Wow impressive!
I think I have RAM just like it but one 512mb module and one 256mb module, both are Twinmos PC3200 2.5
the smaller one does about 250MHz but won't do 2-2-2-5 over ~180MHz and the bigger wont do more than 228MHz. Means unfortunately I don't get more than PC3700 3-3-3-8 in this rig. :(

You sure got lucky there if they are non-twisters m8 perhaps some very old newly-rediscovered cache of BH-5 or good TCCD(how much did you pay btw?).

[Andrewv]

Nice

Look its mine 50D

[Firefoxx]

These are the same chips OCZ is using on their VX, that was known a few weeks ago in a german forum http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=92587

[tictac]

Twinmos Mtec 50D = OCZ VX ?

Are you sure? :)

[esdee]

Ill try to answer to you all guys ...

Those mems cost in Greece (where evey computer part is hell expensive) 140euros and thats for 2x512 ...they don't even have heatspreaders LOL!!!

@tictac here are some pics from cpuz and everest !(cpuz is pretty confused :) )
@zeus check out what firefox has to say ;)
@firefox yeap you are right!

[trans am]

I ordered a 256mb stick of twinmos "speed premium" to test. I should have it early next week. I was on the phone with twinmos and they said it's just cheap Winbond utt blank chip with twinmos printed on it. You can get them to print anything on utt blank, I think this is what ocz did. these chips are available at newegg for $39 for 256 and $79 for 512 stick.

[tictac]

Ill try to answer to you all guys ...

Those mems cost in Greece (where evey computer part is hell expensive) 140euros and thats for 2x512 ...they don't even have heatspreaders LOL!!!

@tictac here are some pics from cpuz and everest !(cpuz is pretty confused :) )
@zeus check out what firefox has to say ;)
@firefox yeap you are right!


That is winbond chip

2 big dot in the center

:slobber:

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/BH4-ES.JPG

[trans am]

bought them today, tested for 2 hours. What do you guys think?

data on the IC's are

TWINMOS
04514
TMD7608F8Ε50D

The third pic shows that the 166multi works just fine!

will post a pic of the Chips later (now they burn in hell... eeeer my PC)


My setup is

Winch 3500+
MSI Neo2
Twinmos DDR3200 rated cl 2.5 (LOL)


is this the twinmos speed premium? or the other one?

[esdee]

You can get them to print anything on utt blank, I think this is what ocz did. these chips are available at newegg for $39 for 256 and $79 for 512 stick.

2x256 should be reaaaally interesting ! :D

damn trans am, just how many mem modules you have!?!?


The long road of burn in starts for me now ... Happy new year guys!

[trans am]

I just ordered a cheap single 256 to test for now to see how it would react with 3.4vdimm, if it turns out to react like vx, i'm going to order much more.

[esdee]

That is winbond chip

2 big dot in the center

:slobber:

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/BH4-ES.JPG


that was my clue to start torturing them :-) (i though ΒΗ-4 was a legend!!??)

[tictac]

look like a re-label.... Winbond... :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/BH-4.jpg

[Firefoxx]

@transam The Twinmos Speed Premium doesn't have the VX Chips, Alex, a Twinmos employe said that, he also said, that later Twinmos Speed Premium will have them, but not the current ones.. Just the cheap Twinmos/M.tec have 'em.

[esdee]

they even have that deep little hole in the low left corner!

[IvanAndreevich]

esdee
You mean lower RIGHT corner? Can you take a photo of YOUR chips.

[tictac]

where did you bought that memory? any link? :D

[MrQ3W]

Some info:
TMD7608F8Ε50D 04514 and beyond is the good stuff, earlier is mosel or something else
TTD7608F8E50D which also is in production atm (I have a 0436 one afaik) is Mosel-tec crap

look for those chipsets and dodge the -TT P/N ones, 50D just means 5ns. Gl ram hunting and happy new year. ;)

[tictac]

esdee
You mean lower RIGHT corner? Can you take a photo of YOUR chips.

esdee Chips (Twinmos Mtec 50D)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21890

and winbond chip...

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/BH-4.jpg

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

[tictac]

my bad :(

:slap:

[esdee]

esdee
You mean lower RIGHT corner? Can you take a photo of YOUR chips.

check the prev page!!

@tictac directly from the importer :-( sorry no link

[trans am]

where did you bought that memory? any link? :D

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-059&depa=1

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1

I ordered the 2nd one.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21891&stc=1

[tictac]

wow... Thanks :)

[esdee]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-059&depa=1

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1

I ordered the 2nd one.



here is a pic of the full module to avoid any misunderstandings!

[trans am]

Interesting. I just looked at my vx and there is no sign of the dimples(circles). Either ocz found a way to cover the dimples when the chips were fabed, or it's something different. Is is possible to "blanket" the ics?

[trans am]

here is a pic of the full module to avoid any misunderstandings!

very strange. The ram you are showing has mtec ic's in the newegg photo.

[esdee]

very strange. The ram you are showing has mtec ic's in the newegg photo.

thats why i posted it,

to be clear what chips to look for!

[trans am]

Ok, so you're saying the ones I ordered (speed premium) with the dimple are the "good" ones?

[esdee]

Ok, so you're saying the ones I ordered (speed premium) with the dimple are the "good" ones?


could be!? but i think it's safe to order excactly the same (cheap ones) with me ... haven't seen those chips in any other module.

Maybe twinmos desided to change the chips used on those Dimms from mtec to those new nice chips ... i mean they are pretty new, just 1 week old!

[esdee]

they like tweaking too (i just can't touch the Trfc any more!)

[wicktron]

What kind of voltages do these modules need to run high speed/low latency?
Oh, and where can you buy the "Speed Premium" modules?

[esdee]

What kind of voltages do these modules need to run high speed/low latency?
Oh, and where can you buy the "Speed Premium" modules?

im using 3.5V right now@241MHz... they also seem to like burn in! so i hope to get them around 250, should be awsome for some cheapo 140euro mem!

[Playful_Buffalo]

remember OCZ said that only a small % of the chips the were speed binning actually passed the test

??

[xgman]

I thought I saw someone pot in one of the VX threads that the VX had the dimples also?

[wicktron]

Thats a pretty high voltage :p:

[esdee]

remember OCZ said that only a small % of the chips the were speed binning actually passed the test

??


Actually one of the 2 DIMMS does 'only' 240 @ 2-2-2-5!
the other one does 245 (and still going ...) at 3.4V
I guess the other one was holding me back when run in dual channel


(im in love with that girl in your avatar!)

[wicktron]

Actually one of the 2 DIMMS does 'only' 240 @ 2-2-2-5!
the other one does 245 (and still going ...) at 3.4V
I guess the other one was holding me back when run in dual channel


(im in love with that girl in your avatar!)

If you run lower latencies, can you tone down the voltage?
I was just reading reviews on the Speed Premiums and it seems like they are hitting 240 2.5-3-3-x at 2.8v... Your 3.4v seems ridiculously high

[esdee]

If you run lower latencies, can you tone down the voltage?
I was just reading reviews on the Speed Premiums and it seems like they are hitting 240 2.5-3-3-x at 2.8v... Your 3.4v seems ridiculously high


except that my mem is not Speed Premium ... ill give it a try thou

[Playful_Buffalo]

Actually one of the 2 DIMMS does 'only' 240 @ 2-2-2-5!
the other one does 245 (and still going ...) at 3.4V
I guess the other one was holding me back when run in dual channel


(im in love with that girl in your avatar!)
i see, i may pick up a stick or two then ;)

[esdee]

i see, i may pick up a stick or two then ;)


for 140euros per 2x512 modules it's worth a try!
i can't wait for twinmos to handpick those chips! :rolleyes:

[drunkenmaster]

hand picked = cost goes up, a lot, when its buy>attach ic's to pcb>throw out the door , its cheap, when you test them it increases cost a shedload.

has anyone actually tried 2x512 bh-5 on a newer ath 64 939 board with similar voltages to the VX? i mean, i could hit 245Mhz with mine with 3.3v and i didn't want to voltmod. might have a play with a board, my booster and some bh05 before i sell it all.

[mrlobber]

I was just reading reviews on the Speed Premiums and it seems like they are hitting 240 2.5-3-3-x at 2.8v... Your 3.4v seems ridiculously high

About that "ridiculous high vdimm": OCZ VX (not drawing any parallels here as probably there's way more behind VX than only finding the "right" chips) also need 3.2V to do 2-2-2 at 200fsb.

[yataH]

This is twinmos chips ,ch5 or tccd?

[esdee]

hand picked = cost goes up, a lot, when its buy>attach ic's to pcb>throw out the door , its cheap, when you test them it increases cost a shedload.

has anyone actually tried 2x512 bh-5 on a newer ath 64 939 board with similar voltages to the VX? i mean, i could hit 245Mhz with mine with 3.3v and i didn't want to voltmod. might have a play with a board, my booster and some bh05 before i sell it all.


could be just my bh5 (or board)but with 3.5v i can get 245 2-2-2-5 pretty unstable

happy new year to all 11:59 here (greece)!

[eddy]

is this the same stuff even though it's a 1gig stick?
http://www.memoryx.net/xdc1024.html

[althes]

I MAY HAVE TO PICK UP A COUPLE see how the work out.

[wicktron]

TwinMos for fairly cheap, also with Speed Premium modules (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productlist.asp?linkid=107&submit=manufactory&catalog=147&manufactory=1959)

ResellerRatings (http://www.resellerratings.com/seller6374.html)

[MrQ3W]

Why buy VX, isn't it more expensive than TCCD and pretty much the same performance
plus requires :banana::banana::banana::banana:loads of voltage through it just to reach 2-2-2-5 at 200mhz?

It's like, "oh, we couldn't make any better ram so we are going to pump 50% more voltage into it and beat the living crap out of it so it runs decent" but well, I guess in these post-Winbond days that is the only alternative.

[Playful_Buffalo]

I am suppose to buy the...

Speed Premiums (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1)

or

the normal stuff (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-059&depa=1)

help :confused:

EDIT: seems that the normal ones have M-tec's and the Premiums have Twinmos branded chips...this has been mentioned (i think)

[mcnbns]

MrQ3W, I VX is better than TCCD for people who want 2-2-2-5 timings with 512MB modules at decent speeds (250+). TCCD will get higher overall speeds, for sure, but at much higher latencies. Why do you think people still have BH-5? Voltage doesn't matter as long as a product can perform. This is Xtreme Systems, after all.

[Playful_Buffalo]

I am suppose to buy the...

Speed Premiums (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1)

or

the normal stuff (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-059&depa=1)

help :confused:

EDIT: seems that the normal ones have M-tec's and the Premiums have Twinmos branded chips...this has been mentioned (i think)

i must know the answer soon (sorry bout the spamming though :()

[Scrypt Keeper]

@transam The Twinmos Speed Premium doesn't have the VX Chips, Alex, a Twinmos employe said that, he also said, that later Twinmos Speed Premium will have them, but not the current ones.. Just the cheap Twinmos/M.tec have 'em.

It looks like you want to order the M.tec ones according to Firefoxx.

[dreamworkz]

man after reading this thread its gotten to me too...Im with you playful the SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!!! lol
but which ones??? :/

[Playful_Buffalo]

i dont want to buy the m-tec ones....its m-tec :cry:

[abstrakt]

Ordered TwinMOS 256MB w/ Winbond from Komplett, so cheap I don't care if I fry it in 2 hours :O

[tictac]

dirt cheap

playbuffalo pick the speed premium ......

my instinct :)

[situman]

I doubt vx chips are hand picked. Its too cheap to be hand picked

[//mAr]

Pics of TwinMOS/mTec WINBOND UTT

http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_backt_sm.jpg (http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_backt_big.jpg)
(click to enlarge)

http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_front_sm.jpg (http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_front_big.jpg)
(click to enlarge)

http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_chip_small.jpg (http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_chip_bigl.jpg)
(click to enlarge)


(c) techpowerup.com

Winbond UTT chips belong to the cheapest chips -> Every OEM, LOW COST Ram could be have Winbond UTT. OCZ select the good chips for VX and the "bad" for High Perf rev3.
Winbond UTT could be on TwinMOS Speed Premium, TwinMOS/Mtec, TwinMOS/TwinMOS, Kingston values cl2,5, corsair vaule select, Infineon third

i've tested twinmos/mtec and ocz highperf rev3. The Twinmos reached about 265
http://home.arcor.de/twinmos.support/WB_UTT.JPG
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21024

a friend of mine posted that screen already...
some new:
nice timings ;)
http://www.directupload.net/images/041226/cMMtfWi4.jpg

Some Threads on hwl.de
klick (translation powered by google) (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forumdeluxx.de%2Fforu m%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D92587&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)
klick (german) (http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=93514&highlight=OCZ)




here some kingston with winbond utt
http://www.people.freenet.de/darkcrawler/ram/kingston/5.jpg

[MrQ3W]

That is insane from a 120 euro stick!

[Playful_Buffalo]

Nice results and information mar....unfortunatly for me - the time has come in which i now would feel guilty asking my dad to buy these for me. always happens if i wait to long ;)

[MrQ3W]

Uhh why don't you get a job and buy them yourself instead?

[Playful_Buffalo]

my age does not permit ;)

[persivore]

I've got a stick of twinmos 2700 which I bought about 2 years ago. It will do 240 @ 2,2,2,11 on 3.4v on my DFI infinity. The code on the chips says TMD7608F8Ε60D, which is very similar to the code on the new chips (the only difference is the 6ns speed rating at the end of the code, compared to the 5ns on these new chips) They also have the dimple things that winbond chips have. I don't know if they are the same chips as the ones on this new twinmos, but they perform very similar.

[trans am]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1

I'll have the speed premium on Monday. too soon to draw conclusions based on all these results. The cheaper ones with mtec may be better, so just wait for my results before ordering.

[//mAr]

but not every stick of speed premium is winbond utt ...
here's a test ... with no-highvoltage chips
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium/

[MrQ3W]

my age does not permit ;)
How old are you then, 12? because where I live there are 14-15 year olds already working for extra cash in their sparetime.


I've got a stick of twinmos 2700 which I bought about 2 years ago. It will do 240 @ 2,2,2,11 on 3.4v on my DFI infinity. The code on the chips says TMD7608F8Ε60D, which is very similar to the code on the new chips (the only difference is the 6ns speed rating at the end of the code, compared to the 5ns on these new chips) They also have the dimple things that winbond chips have. I don't know if they are the same chips as the ones on this new twinmos, but they perform very similar.
Sounds like BH-6 to me.

[trans am]

but not every stick of speed premium is winbond utt ...
here's a test ... with no-highvoltage chips
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium/


like I said earlier, too soon to tell.

[tictac]

i bought the Plain Twinmos PC3200 256MB on october

but they dont have that 2 dimple

only manage to run it @ 234MHz 2.5-3-3-11 1T with 2.5V

3.2V still no go.. maybe i should try 3.5V that time... my bad :slap:

Week 9 2004 Chip :(

Better get the newer Chip :toast:

[esdee]

i bought the Plain Twinmos PC3200 256MB on october

but they dont have that 2 dimple

only manage to run it @ 234MHz 2.5-3-3-11 1T with 2.5V

Week 9 2004 Chip :(

Better get the newer Chip :toast:

tictac it seems that newer stepping have the UTT chips!

for all you intel guys my DIMMs were tested today over hipro5's house and im sure he will post real soon :D

[Playful_Buffalo]

how does bandwidth compare at stock speeds between bh-x and ch-x? anybody know?




How old are you then, 12? because where I live there are 14-15 year olds already working for extra cash in their sparetime.
not where i live

[tictac]

2 Dimple = Winbond Chip :)

[esdee]

by the way the mems got burned for 8 hourse memtest#5 @3.5V and they remained unusually cool (tornado fan on them).They don't get hot at all!

[tictac]

How about 3.8V :)

Dare to try? :slap:

[esdee]

How about 3.8V :)

Dare to try? :slap:

lol ... booster got crazy ... was testing them for 4 hours at 4V ... nothing happend, (RAM still ok ... even then mem was absolutely cool!!!)

although above 3.5V-3.6V nothing better happens!

(you should see the look in my face when i saw 4.0 in the boosters led)

[tictac]

If it just stuck there below 250MHz

then it is CH5 then :(

[MrQ3W]

how does bandwidth compare at stock speeds between bh-x and ch-x? anybody know?




not where i live
Sounds like a bad excuse to stay spoiled.
Working your way towards something you want is so much more satisfying and rewarding to boot.


Anyway back on topic does anyone know why they are called Winbond UTT, are these just relabeled CH-5 or what?

[enzoR]

lol ... booster got crazy ... was testing them for 4 hours at 4V ... nothing happend, (RAM still ok ... even then mem was absolutely cool!!!)

although above 3.5V-3.6V nothing better happens!

(you should see the look in my face when i saw 4.0 in the boosters led)

sounds alot like my CH-5....

Tictac, my Ch-5 scaled pretty well. Its also one of the first batches 0321 or so. It did 255mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.4v but at 258 it needed 3.8v!

some kind of magical wall for Ch-5 :(


Winbond UTT.... those are just blank dies. Ch-5 is tested to 200mhz, UTT is untested so its like CH-X.... u can have crap chips in them and also good ones..

[thomas66]

@TIC TAC

thats funny i also have 2 256mb sticks of the simple pc3200 twinmos
and mine maxed out at exactly same speed as yours 234 - 2,5-3-3-8
done on simple 2,8v

[MrQ3W]

Burn them in, I had 2x 256mb sticks that did 250ish 2.5-3-3-8 after being run w. 2.9V for about 6 months. Those were the ones sold during the latter 2003 of course, after winbond and before mtec I think.

[esdee]

If it just stuck there below 250MHz

then it is CH5 then :(

good new tictac ... they are not ch5, they can do 2-2-2-5 on intel with pretty high FSB 1:1... i must be doing smth wrong on a64 ...

[Reefa_Madness]

here some kingston with winbond utt
http://www.people.freenet.de/darkcrawler/ram/kingston/5.jpg

I know that this has already been asked but would you mind sharing the info written on those chips in the KVR, such as the date and the Kingston codes? I have a 2x256 set of KVR with chips that look very much like the M.tec, including the dimples and other physical markings and am wondering if they are the right ones.

They are still in the box and I would prefer to not open them if they are anything other than these Winbond chips.

Anybody have this information? I am not at home or I would post the information from the set that I have. I do remember that they have a "U" near or at the end of the last line.

[seldomsean]

like I said earlier, too soon to tell.


Yea and there useing "Brainpower 808" PCB's.. I'm
gonna try a stick too :D

EDIT: @//mAr... Thanks for the link... http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium/

EDIT#2 @ trans am...Just ordered one from your link ;)

[LenniZ]

i got some 50D chips too :)

0409D
TMD7608F8EF50D

it wont boot up at 200 fsb 2-2-2-5 @ 2.8v :( it can do 237 with 2.5-3-3-7 timings 2.8v, (cpu cooler stop me)
someone help me to get 2-2-2-5 timings @ 200 ? i have a 80mm fan blowing some fresh air over it.
edit: for everyday use i have 2-3-3-6 timings @ 2.65 or 2,7v

[cardnut99668]

Anyone willing to try the 512 stick? Sounds pretty tempting.

[LSANTHRAX]

i got some 50D chips too :)

0409D
TMD7608F8EF50D

it wont boot up at 200 fsb 2-2-2-5 @ 2.8v :( it can do 237 with 2.5-3-3-7 timings 2.8v, (cpu cooler stop me)
someone help me to get 2-2-2-5 timings @ 200 ? i have a 80mm fan blowing some fresh air over it.
edit: for everyday use i have 2-3-3-6 timings @ 2.65 or 2,7v

Could it be because you on intel and everyone whos been posting these good results is on amd?

That and i thought intel liked cas 2.5 better than 2 anyway...

[Revv23]

Could it be because you on intel and everyone whos been posting these good results is on amd?

That and i thought intel liked cas 2.5 better than 2 anyway...


good new tictac ... they are not ch5, they can do 2-2-2-5 on intel with pretty high FSB 1:1... i must be doing smth wrong on a64 ...


i think he needs more volts :)

[tictac]

Burn them in, I had 2x 256mb sticks that did 250ish 2.5-3-3-8 after being run w. 2.9V for about 6 months. Those were the ones sold during the latter 2003 of course, after winbond and before mtec I think.

yeah TwinMOS memory need proper burn in for quite sometimes to perform well :toast:

they are not properly burnin in factory :rolleyes: :slap:

[esdee]

i think he needs more volts :)

hipro used his DDR maximizer, i hope it hasn't anything to do with the fact i was using a booster, because i might have to visit his labs with my black uniform midnight and steal it! :D

[LenniZ]

Too early. :stick:

Dimples in the middle?
gonna check later.. but heres the cpu-z spd table..
maybe I will buy a booster, but I dont know if it works on my is7-e
:stick:

[enzoR]

does it do 2-3-2-5 at 200mhz?
the 3 being ras-cas.

[tom_ed]

Hi,

Just read this thread and i have unearthed my old twinmos 256mb chips. Stepping is:

03254
TMD7608F8E50D

Ill test them a little later, but they do have the two dimples on each chip. does that mean they are winbond?

[MrQ3W]

yeah TwinMOS memory need proper burn in for quite sometimes to perform well :toast:

they are not properly burnin in factory :rolleyes: :slap:
Laugh all you want but they only did 230MHz when I got them. Some RAM has been proven to gain from burning in so it is not just a myth.

the_n00b<:o): too early stick.

[celemine1Gig]

Hi,

Just read this thread and i have unearthed my old twinmos 256mb chips. Stepping is:

03254
TMD7608F8E50D

Ill test them a little later, but they do have the two dimples on each chip. does that mean they are winbond?

Your Twinmos RAM has Mitsubishi Chips on it. Test it, but it'll never perform like Winbond. ;) I bet it doesn't have the two dimples in the middle, but one half dimple in the middle of the lower edge of the chip. :)

[tom_ed]

well heres a pic:

http://img159.exs.cx/img159/5383/p10100209au.th.jpg (http://img159.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img159&image=p10100209au.jpg)

i think it has 2 large dimples on the chips. testing now...

[Revv23]

gonna check later.. but heres the cpu-z spd table..
maybe I will buy a booster, but I dont know if it works on my is7-e
:stick:


it works but the VVT track gets all out of whack so the more volts dont really help much...

tom: that looks like winbond to me buddy, start cooking them and let us know how it goes.

[hipro5]

Hi there guys and HAPPY NEW YEAR...... :toast:


Now........Testing those two modules I was quit amazed I could say...... :D

They ACT like BH-5 modules BUT COLDER.......on an INTEL rig....... ;)

With 3.2Vdimm(provided by the DDR Maximizer - clean power - :D .....they reached over 240MHz at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2.........NONE CH-5 chips works at those settings on an INTEL rig so I believe that they are NOT equiv. to CH-5 chips........ ;)

Twinmos 2 x 512MB UTT on an ABIT AS8 Mobo with the 865 chipset.......at 3.55Vdimm....

PAT = Disabled

Timings :

2 - 5 - 2 - 2
32M
Auto
Normal
4
Enable
Disable

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_1_png.png

The funny here is that the cpu-z shows "crazy" product date...... :D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_2_png.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_3_png.png


.......and these are 2 x 512MB BH-5 chips for comparison.......at the same config....... ;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/BH-5_512MB_1_png.png


ALL I have to say is : Twinmos with the UTT chips = BH-5 chips........ ;) :)

[TEDY]

so you guys saying

160$ for a GIG of good overclocking RAM ?

[hipro5]

so you guys saying

160$ for a GIG of good overclocking RAM ?

As I know esdee bought them about 140Euros........ ;)

I think I'll get 2 x 256MB ones to see how they will do.......Hmmmm....... :)

[Revv23]

damn hipro...

now i want that maximizer ever more lol.


i need to buy another set of ram for an old computer im selling so ill give these a shot and if they are good then ill keep em and if they are bad then away they go.

[DaGoof]

Is it this:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1

or this?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-059&depa=1

Or am I completely off?

[celemine1Gig]

well heres a pic:

http://img159.exs.cx/img159/5383/p10100209au.th.jpg (http://img159.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img159&image=p10100209au.jpg)

i think it has 2 large dimples on the chips. testing now...


Hmm, interesting. Then Twinmos changed something, as some time ago all Winbond based Twinmos RAMs began with 04xxxx and so on. Yours is 03xxx and is definitely Winbond based. :toast:

Good luck with the sticks. :)

Edit: Well, got it wrong. Now I realized that it's the 4 at the end and not in the beginning. So yours are chips from week 25 in 2003 and the 4 means that it's winbond based. That's it. :D

So yours should basically be CH-5 chips.

[Jessfm]

So would that make this http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601808 the stuff to get ?

Im going to grab a 2x256 on tues if so.

[TEDY]

damn cheap :>

[tom_ed]

well both been tested on my DFI 250gb @ 3.1v. I would have gone higher but im on a crappy 300w psu that has a 3.3v rail @ 3.15v

one stick did 240mhz 2-2-2-5 and the other did 247mhz 2-2-2-5. i feel with more volts they could go higher they scaled well up to there.

Jessfm that is the exact kit that this is, but i dont think they come with winbond chips anymore.

[TEDY]

who could buy this for me in europe and send me ? i could wire the money

got no cc :(

[Jessfm]

I think its worth a look then.

But Hipro5 is reffering to a newer chip thats on these ??

So the chips between BH5 and the new UTT are poor clockers( CH5 or Mitsubishi chips?)

or am I totaly confused now ( to be fair I have had a couple of beers today)

[tictac]

so we should hunt for Twinmos with mtec/Twinmos chip

week 82 2004 or newer

Thanks Hipro5 :)

[MrQ3W]

Week 82 sounds tough...;)

[tictac]

yes it is :slap:

[Revv23]

so which do i buy? :(

[mrlobber]

w00t, I just bought a kit of OCZ VX (still on the way), now I have to buy these as well? :D

[esdee]

so we should hunt for Twinmos with mtec/Twinmos chip

week 82 2004 or newer

Thanks Hipro5 :)

tictac you need to reboot your brain!!!! :toast:

[enzoR]

Hi there guys and HAPPY NEW YEAR...... :toast:


Now........Testing those two modules I was quit amazed I could say...... :D

They ACT like BH-5 modules BUT COLDER.......on an INTEL rig....... ;)

With 3.2Vdimm(provided by the DDR Maximizer - clean power - :D .....they reached over 240MHz at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2.........NONE CH-5 chips works at those settings on an INTEL rig so I believe that they are NOT equiv. to CH-5 chips........ ;)

Twinmos 2 x 512MB UTT on an ABIT AS8 Mobo with the 865 chipset.......at 3.55Vdimm....



PAT = Disabled

Timings :

2 - 5 - 2 - 2
32M
Auto
Normal
4
Enable
Disable

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_1_png.png

The funny here is that the cpu-z shows "crazy" product date...... :D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_2_png.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_3_png.png


.......and these are 2 x 512MB BH-5 chips for comparison.......at the same config....... ;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/BH-5_512MB_1_png.png


ALL I have to say is : Twinmos with the UTT chips = BH-5 chips........ ;) :)


My CH-5 does the same on abit IC7-G 3.55V ;)

i'll post shots tommorow :)

[Revv23]

yeah ive seen newer ch-5 doing that before...

but still, what do i buy!? :(

lol

[LSANTHRAX]

yeah i'm a little confused here as well are we supposed to get the speed premium with the twinmos chips or the cheap ones with the mtec chips?

[Jessfm]

yeah i'm a little confused here as well are we supposed to get the speed premium with the twinmos chips or the cheap ones with the mtec chips?

me 2
:confused:

[Bennah]

Ordered TwinMOS 256MB w/ Winbond from Komplett, so cheap I don't care if I fry it in 2 hours :O

Any Idea when you should get it? I would really appreciate a picture of the ram when you get it or them :D

[situman]

hmmm wonder why the OCZ boyz are so quiet on this one. Perhaps its the same kind of chips they are using? :P

[iddqd]

2 Dimple = Winbond Chip :)
Many companies use the same exact machines to package their ram IC's. The results are similar, as well... You won't tell the difference between an unmarked Wibond, and an unmarked ProMOS chip, for example.

[Jessfm]

Hmm maybe im noty seeing the wood for the tree's here, but what chips are we looking for then, BH5 or ProMos ?

[Reefa_Madness]

Any "value ram" made using the Winbond UTT chips are prime candidates.

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Optoelectronic-Component/a/9000000055550.htm

[Skip]

so can we confirm which ones we buy from newegg? the supreme speed or the cheaper ones?

[esdee]

Any Idea when you should get it? I would really appreciate a picture of the ram when you get it or them :D

check some of the first page posts ... (page 1 or 2) ive posted my chips

but since no one else has chips like those what can we know about what stepping-serial we should look for?
be petient

[TEDY]

esdee where did you get them ?

[esdee]

esdee where did you get them ?

kinda directly from the importer in greece...i will be testing some more chips later this week,and ill update!

[//mAr]

hmmm wonder why the OCZ boyz are so quiet on this one. Perhaps its the same kind of chips they are using? :P
they do ;)

[hipro5]

so we should hunt for Twinmos with mtec/Twinmos chip

week 82 2004 or newer

Thanks Hipro5 :)

There is not such a week..... :D

cpu-z "shows" this week.........Accually it was week 51 - IF I remember well - esdee has post what week where they........ ;)

[tictac]

This one look like a good deal

Twinmos PC 3200 Dual Channel Kit 2x512MB - USD 140 :)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0

[TEDY]

tictac you sure about them ?

[esdee]

This one look like a good deal

Twinmos PC 3200 Dual Channel Kit 2x512MB - USD 140 :)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0

i prefer to go in a store and check my self what chips to getting, newegg might stock up!...

and yes the date stepping is 04514

by the way mine where not a DC kit ... they where just 2 512 sticks with the same stepping-date

[TEDY]

erm here in slovenija i cant really choose....

[trans am]

This one look like a good deal

Twinmos PC 3200 Dual Channel Kit 2x512MB - USD 140 :)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0


I think you may want the speed premium if you are buying new ones. I will have my 1x256 speed premium today, so you will know soon if the new speed premium is one one with winbond utt.

[trans am]

This one look like a good deal

Twinmos PC 3200 Dual Channel Kit 2x512MB - USD 140 :)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0


I think you may want the speed premium if you are buying new ones. I will have my 1x256 speed premium today, so you will know soon if the new speed premium is one one with winbond utt. I wanted to test just 1 256mb stick before throwing down on another 256, or 2x512.

[esdee]

some update info!
same voltage

[TEDY]

esdee: would you get me 2 sticks of 512 ?

[esdee]

esdee: would you get me 2 sticks of 512 ?


i would love to get sticks for everone but i have only 2 at the moment plus i have the guy in the importer to contact me if he comes across any modules like this. I ll have to find some more of them !

/ps please pm me for stuff like these ...

[fatty]

OCZ 4200

http://www.fattass.dsl.pipex.com/stuff/ban.JPG

[esdee]

OCZ 4200

http://www.fattass.dsl.pipex.com/stuff/ban.JPG


i don't get whats so special unless they are 2-2-2-5

[fatty]

Sorry about the size OCZ 4400

http://www.fattass.dsl.pipex.com/stuff/4400.JPG

[trans am]

Sorry about the size OCZ 4400

http://img39.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img39&image=q3k800001.png


yeah, I have some of that too, except I didn't post it here like you did. How is this relavent to the thread? Is it that your $300+ ram is out performed by ram that costs $140?

[esdee]

yeah, I have some of that too, except I didn't post it here like you did. How is this relavent to the thread? Is it that your $300+ ram is out performed by ram that costs $140?

lol!

[fatty]

Sorry didnt read the start of the thread just thought we where posting bandwiths etc some one said the ocz boys where keeping quiet so I posted but yes you are right my ram the 4200 2 x 512 run at 8,4,4,3 which is poo but in my a64 system they are stable and yes they do cost too bloody much

[trans am]

Sorry didnt read the start of the thread just thought we where posting bandwiths etc some one said the ocz boys where keeping quiet so I posted but yes you are right my ram the 4200 2 x 512 run at 8,4,4,3 which is poo but in my a64 system they are stable and yes they do cost too bloody much
I was assuming you were talking about ocz el 4200 platinum TCCD? Yours looks like the older 4200+ (ras-4 at only 270mhz) this can't be tccd.

[fatty]

No the 4200 is just the performance memory I dont know how much it costs in the us but here it is expensive I did have some twinmos ch-5 but you had to throw huge volts through it to overclock and my a64 mem controler didnt like it ??
And dont think it is tccd

[trans am]

No the 4200 is just the performance memory I dont know how much it costs in the us but here it is expensive I did have some twinmos ch-5 but you had to throw huge volts through it to overclock and my a64 mem controler didnt like it ??
And dont think it is tccd


We'll the whole point of the twinmos is that we are trying to see how it reacts to really high volts. So if you don't want to vmod or use a ddr booster, then you are better off with tccd. But for those that have volts to throw at it, this is a serious find.

[fatty]

Sorry will see if I can stick my other foot in ok

My CH-5 I stuck 3.6Volts through it and I think it damaged my fx53 mem controller

[Highland3r]

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=118498&cks=SPK

Is that likely to be the good stuff? or jsut bog standard twinmos?

[fatty]

I bought a matched pair from there and it was m tech chips they do sell windbond chips think they will be ch-5

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=PRL

[esdee]

We'll the whole point of the twinmos is that we are trying to see how it reacts to really high volts. So if you don't want to vmod or use a ddr booster, then you are better off with tccd. But for those that have volts to throw at it, this is a serious find.


problems with early amd64 mem controllers and high volts seems to be disapeared. since i bought those mems they run 24/7 @ 3.5V with a 8cm tornado on the booster and mems

No problems, random reboots or anything so far

[trans am]

I bought a matched pair from there and it was m tech chips they do sell windbond chips think they will be ch-5

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=PRL

not ch5, they are winbond utt blank chips.

[situman]

damn it even puts tccd to shame. Come on guys, find out the truth so I can pick up a gig of this stuff too. Now if only Hipro5 would hurry it up with his maximizer thingy.

[enzoR]

not ch5, they are winbond utt blank chips.


i highly suspect they are untested CH chips

[Rancidelephant]

how about this stuff ?

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115491&cks=PRL

[trans am]

i highly suspect they are untested CH chips

OK, well then Twinmos person I spoke to on the phone is lying to me. Honestly, CH5 would cost too much for these to be budget chips. Look at the price, even if untested, I believe they would cost more money. That is why the utt blank would make more sense. Look at the price, plus, how much CH5 do you see going over 240/250mhz Mhz at 2-2-2? :stick:

[esdee]

i like my instict!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=607700&postcount=139

[pcworks]

The ones you want at komplett.co.uk are the cheaper unmarked sticks. Please note the twinmos serial/product numbers in the links.

These are twinmos 256mb pc3200 sticks serial no. M2G9I08A-MK

Cheap twinmos unbranded (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL)

twinmos 512mb pc3200 serial no.M2G9J16A-MK
should be winbond utt (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112666&cks=PRL)

I have got a stick of the 256mb M2g9108A-mk coming soon. Komplett have despatched via Parcelforce so it should get to me sometime this week.

Rob H

[enzoR]

OK, well then Twinmos person I spoke to on the phone is lying to me. Honestly, CH5 would cost too much for these to be budget chips. Look at the price, even if untested, I believe they would cost more money. That is why the utt blank would make more sense. Look at the price, plus, how much CH5 do you see going over 240/250mhz Mhz at 2-2-2? :stick:

what did the twinmos person tell you?

CH just means the manufacturing process... 0.13
BH is .18

they are exact same design just a process shrink.

why would they design totally new chips...

UTT just means untested. they could be anything but since winbond only produced CH after BH this means they are untested CH....

my CH-5 bought 1 year ago does 260 2-2-2-5 at 3.6v

at 2.8v it would only run 210 max 2-3-2-5 :)

[fatty]

Last time I bought the twinmos windbond from komplett it was the cheapy single 3200 sticks not a matched pair and they where ch-5 not sure what the ones they have now are

[enzoR]

the CH-5 that i have is 0320. they are actually total crap. They dont like ANY divider past 255mhz fsb (208 in 5:4) and even less in 3:2.
atleast they perform a bit in 1:1 with volts.

thats another thing i heard that was in common with VX. the VX also doesnt like dividers or something.

[fatty]

Yeah I knew that about the duel channel kits loool :D

Also can you post some duel channel bandwith scores from your ch-5 running at 240 with tight timmings unrealneo2 cheers

[trans am]

the CH-5 that i have is 0320. they are actually total crap. They dont like ANY divider past 255mhz fsb (208 in 5:4) and even less in 3:2.
atleast they perform a bit in 1:1 with volts.

thats another thing i heard that was in common with VX. the VX also doesnt like dividers or something.

interesting. I had issues with my vx with dividers in the bios on the neo2. only way for a divider to work was use a64 tweaker. I tried all available beta bios for neo2.

Earlier I mentioned Infineon, but now I think Infineon has nothing to do with this stuff. Winbond and Infineon have an agreement. Winbond makes the chips for Infineon. In exchange, Infineon gives them some technology and money. I'm not sure what technology though. So you are saying CH5 = UTT (un tested ch5?)

[enzoR]

well what i'm saying is that these UTT are based on CH wafer/technology/and design. Winbond didnt make anything new after they stopped producing CH half a year ago. all they are doing now is just fireing up the machines for infineon i think. Youve got CH-5/6/7 this UTT is all that + failed chips all jumbled up :)

[esdee]

what did the twinmos person tell you?

CH just means the manufacturing process... 0.13
BH is .18

they are exact same design just a process shrink.

why would they design totally new chips...

UTT just means untested. they could be anything but since winbond only produced CH after BH this means they are untested CH....

my CH-5 bought 1 year ago does 260 2-2-2-5 at 3.6v

at 2.8v it would only run 210 max 2-3-2-5 :)


highly possible but they performe hella nice for ch-5 + their price! don't you think? ;)

[Rancidelephant]

The ones you want at komplett.co.uk are the cheaper unmarked sticks. Please note the twinmos serial/product numbers in the links.

These are twinmos 256mb pc3200 sticks serial no. M2G9I08A-MK

Cheap twinmos unbranded (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL)

twinmos 512mb pc3200 serial no.M2G9J16A-MK
should be winbond utt (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112666&cks=PRL)

I have got a stick of the 256mb M2g9108A-mk coming soon. Komplett have despatched via Parcelforce so it should get to me sometime this week.

Rob H

are they actually winmoss tho ?

may buy 2 x 512Mb sticks :)

[trans am]

My girlfriend called me, twinmos Speed Premium just came from newegg. She said it's from week 0446 and it has the dimples. I'll be home soon...

[Revv23]

give her a big kiss for me lol transam



what did the twinmos person tell you?

CH just means the manufacturing process... 0.13
BH is .18

they are exact same design just a process shrink.

why would they design totally new chips...

UTT just means untested. they could be anything but since winbond only produced CH after BH this means they are untested CH....

my CH-5 bought 1 year ago does 260 2-2-2-5 at 3.6v

at 2.8v it would only run 210 max 2-3-2-5 :)

BH-6 is .18, BH-5 is .16 IIRC, CH-5 was a whole new die, a crippled BH-5 designed to be cheaper...

[pcworks]

are they actually winmoss tho ?

may buy 2 x 512Mb sticks :)

Those serial numbers are actual Twinmos serial numbers. My stick of 256mb has been dispatched to tonigh via Parcel force24. Will post up some pictures when it arrives.

Rob H

[DaGoof]

cant wait for results

[trans am]

OK, guys I'm home. Here are some pics in the meantime while I'm testing...

[Playful_Buffalo]

whewt, i await results

[trans am]

OK guys. Max stable with minimal burn in time was 267mhz 2-2-2-10 1T 3.5vdimm
this is in single channel dfi ut nf3 250GB.

1x256 Twinmos Speed Premium ddr400

$39 at newegg lol!

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22026&stc=1

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22027&stc=1

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22028&stc=1

[cardnut99668]

Do you guys think the 512 is worth a shot? This is REALLY tempting, but I want a gig.

[pcworks]

That same memory with the exact same Twinmos serial number is in stock at komplett.co.uk for £22inc Vat

Winbond UTT memory by Twinmos (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL)

Just a £1 more then the price I paid for my stick. They only have 50-99 sticks left instock.

Rob H

[cardnut99668]

If you order LMK.

[Jessfm]

If you order LMK.

Im going to buy a couple fo sticks

[Highland3r]

Check out the sn on this twister, either its not changed or its teh same mem maybe?
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120095&cks=PRL

<edit>
as does this....
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120022&cks=PRL

the w/winbond stuff has a different s/n tho... </edit>

[Bennah]

Thanks Trans AM, will be grabbing some of these sticks to test :toast:

pcworks, so you ordered some of these (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL) or these (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=PRL) ?

[Jessfm]

Check out the sn on this twister, either its not changed or its teh same mem maybe?
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120095&cks=PRL

<edit>
as does this....
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120022&cks=PRL

the w/winbond stuff has a different s/n tho... </edit>

Hmmmmmmmm thats all very confusing, especialy the Cas2 twister is the same price. :confused:

[pcworks]

Neither of those Benneh. Have order a stick of these:

unbranded sticks with Twinmos serial number!!

Unbranded sticks with Twinmos serial number!!!! (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL)

Will post pics on arrival

Just hope ocuk get my RMAed OCZ booster back asap.

Rob H

[Jessfm]

Neither of those Benneh. Have order a stick of these:

unbranded sticks with Twinmos serial number!!

Unbranded sticks with Twinmos serial number!!!! (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL)

Will post pics on arrival

Just hope ocuk get my RMAed OCZ booster back asap.

Rob H

when did yo uorder them ?
Might hold off till you get urs as we may need to try a different type.

[enzoR]

give her a big kiss for me lol transam




BH-6 is .18, BH-5 is .16 IIRC, CH-5 was a whole new die, a crippled BH-5 designed to be cheaper...


lol no. BH is all the same manufacuring process. you also have CH-6.... exact same die.

[_Eduard_]

:brick: Damn it. Why can't online stores just show actual pics of the RAM they're selling? the same for cpu's. I'm getting sick of emailing every store asking if they have ram with code x or cpu with stepping y...

anyways this twinmos stuff seems really promising, might get some myself if i can find it cheap

[dreamworkz]

I am temped to order a stick of 512 to see if it's the same. $70 for 1x512 is not bad, but it's a gamble. I gambled on 1x256 and I won.

Thanks TRANSAM for the update man... I think Im gonna order a 512 from newegg to see if they will be the same....or almost the same :)

[Skip]

you can email newegg and they will tell you cpu steppings and what the codes on the ram?

if thats the case then i'll order me 2x512 of the twinmos that transam got, the speed premium series i believe.

[DaGoof]

Trans am, how did it act with lower voltages?

[trans am]

Trans am, how did it act with lower voltages?

I never tried low volts. Basically I had my vx in already, and popped them out and then popped in the twinmos and left the settings the same and booted straight into memtest86. When I saw they were passing at the same speed as my vx, I just kept increasing the speed 5mhz at a time. then I tried 270 and got 100 errors on the first pass. I increased the vdimm to 3.6 and tried again, but pretty much got same results. I backed it down 1mhz at time until it would pass test5 12 times with no errors. I think once these are burned in they will easily do 270mhz. ROFL! I just checked newegg so I could order another 256 stick, but they are already sold out! Damn you guys! Word travels fast on XS. I ended up getting 2x512 sticks of the speed premium. Let's hope it's the same stuff. :toast:
$156 after shipping.

nevermind. I just checked again and the 256mb sticks are back on, but now the 512 sticks are sold out lol

[seldomsean]

My girlfriend called me, twinmos Speed Premium just came from newegg. She said it's from week 0446 and it has the dimples. I'll be home soon...

OH BOY !!!

Mine will be here thursday(Allready Shipped) and i just know that
it's gonna be fun... :D

I sure hope your instincts were right trans am :cool:

-Sean

EDIT: I'm glad i started readin this thread when it first started... :banana:
You know they have been "Selling like Hotcakes" since this thread
started(SOLD OUT)... "trans am" you are the man :toast:

-Sean

[Jessfm]

I never tried low volts. Basically I had my vx in already, and popped them out and then popped in the twinmos and left the settings the same and booted straight into memtest86. When I saw they were passing at the same speed as my vx, I just kept increasing the speed 5mhz at a time. then I tried 270 and got 100 errors on the first pass. I increased the vdimm to 3.6 and tried again, but pretty much got same results. I backed it down 1mhz at time until it would pass test5 12 times with no errors. I think once these are burned in they will easily do 270mhz. ROFL! I just checked newegg so I could order another 256 stick, but they are already sold out! Damn you guys! Word travels fast on XS. I ended up getting 2x512 sticks of the speed premium. Let's hope it's the same stuff. :toast:
$156 after shipping.

NOT MORE MEMROY :)
At this rate you will need a forum of your own, never mind a seperate memory forum :)

Great info Trans Am thanks for the work..
:toast:

[LSANTHRAX]

looks like all the speed premium except the sigle 256mb sticks are sold out allready

[trans am]

looks like all the speed premium except the sigle 256mb sticks are sold out allready

This is really good. We just cleared newegg's entire supply of Speed premium. 99.9999% chance the next shipment of speed premium will be the latest and guaranteed to be the new stuff. Mine was week 46 and order was placed last week so this is a good sign for people living in the US. As for the others in other countries, I am not sure what you guys are going to end up with.

Man I'm glad I don't have a Mac.

[Reefa_Madness]

This is really good. We just cleared newegg's entire supply of Speed premium. 99.9999% chance the next shipment of speed premium will be the latest and guaranteed to be the new stuff. Mine was week 46 and order was placed last week so this is a good sign for people living in the US. As for the others in other countries, I am not sure what you guys are going to end up with.

Man I'm glad I don't have a Mac.


Not quite...they are back in stock, or at least they just sold me 4 sticks.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1

[dreamworkz]

Word does travel fast. I was working taking a call and after the call I was gonna place and order but they were all sold out of the 512mb sticks!!! ahhaha funny... Guess Ill wait until the new shipment arrives now...thanks again transam for your wonderful test...

[dreamworkz]

ohhha and ESDEE too you guys ROCK!!!!

[Reefa_Madness]

Keep checking, a little while ago they were showing the 256 sticks as sold out and now they are back in stock. Same thing might happen with the 512.

I guess maybe they have to send someone out to the warehouse to do a count or something???

That or they have one hell of a re-supply system.

[DaGoof]

as long as there's enough for me, everything's ok

[666]

how good does this ram work at lower voltages? say 2.85

[Revv23]

^dont waste your time.

[HMB]

Then what about 3.2V?

[Revv23]

3.2 might get you somewhere, but you need something closer to a stable 3.4 to make this fly, if not, id stick with tccd.


lol no. BH is all the same manufacuring process. you also have CH-6.... exact same die.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43707&highlight=BH-5+legend


AH-6 180nm
BH-6 166nm
CH-6 166nm
AH-5 (doesnt exist?)
BH-5 150nm
CH-5 130nm
BH-4 130nm

both, bh5 and bh6 oc to amazing speeds of 300mhz and more with very high vdimm voltage (4v+). the newest and last winbond ic is the ch-5, its a "crippled" bh5. the design was simplified to reduce the production costs yet again, unfortunatly it reduced the performence of those chips a bit, even though the newest ch5 chips seem to be able to run at 2-2-2 as well, their performence is still lower than bh5 or bh6 running at 2-2-2 timings.


this is not CH-5, and CH-5 is not the same as BH-5, else it would perform the same, or better because of the smaller process. this is a new design imo, i am thinking this because of a few things..

#1 the voltage wall people are hitting
#2 the terrible performance at default voltages
#3 the fact that its performing much better then CH-5...

[cardnut99668]

I just hope if the results are good that we don't end up w/ crap sticks. LOL. It always manages to happen to me. ;)

[Jessfm]

I just hope if the results are good that we don't end up w/ crap sticks. LOL. It always manages to happen to me. ;)

Yeah me 2 :stick:

[Revv23]

yeah its definetly more risky without ocz's testing, something tells me these are somehow different then ocz's IC's though, just look at how well they are doing on intel compared to VX.

[esdee]

:toast: :toast: to trans am !!!

nice pair you have there man! one more of these sticks and you will have 270MHz @ 2-2-2-5

im glad that you verified my findings! :toast:

[tictac]

:) Happy Hunting & Good Luck on the chips :)

Lucky ..... Mr TwinMOS :)

[trans am]

Esdee, how long have you had this theory about the UTT blank? I have been hearing rumours all over the place right around the same time ocz released vx. I heard here and other forums some very vague info about Twinmos and some names like Winbond and Infineon and really inexpensive ram that does 2-2-2 @240mhz+ at crazy volts. I called all of the 3 aforementioned companies on the phone. I've been holding off on the Twinmos for a while because they said they were going to be using the winbond utt on the newer speed premium. I figured waiting would allow some time for the older stock to clear. It looks like it was worth the wait. I just hope ocz doesn't get pissed off about this. Who knows? maybe it's just a coincidence that it performs like VX and ocz uses something completely different? I don't have those round circles on my ocz vx, so either ocz found a way to hide the circles during fab. or it's just different ics altogether. The point is both companies have great ram that does 2-2-2 timings at high speeds and we have everything to gain. I wonder how that dude feels who bough my Mushkin level II Bh-5 on ebay that only did 2-2-2@235mhz for $360 feels when he finds out about this? :D

[tictac]

I'm sure they feel the impact

Lucky TwinMOS :)

[tictac]

Anybody in SE Asia can get the TwinMOS Speed Premium here... :)

Dual-Ch PC3200 512MB 256MBx2 (Speed Premium)- Singapore Dollar 155.00

Dual-Ch PC3200 1GB 512MBx2 (Speed Premium)- Singapore Dollar 299.00

http://www.twinmos.com.sg/ebuy/prodView.asp?idproduct=91

[trans am]

http://www.hardwarezoom.com/viewcontent.jsp?ReviewID=228&PageNo=9

interesting review. I wonder if I would have same results if I used 2.8v like in the review. I wonder if they would have better results if they pumped 3.5v into those during their testing.


@transam The Twinmos Speed Premium doesn't have the VX Chips, Alex, a Twinmos employe said that, he also said, that later Twinmos Speed Premium will have them, but not the current ones.. Just the cheap Twinmos/M.tec have 'em.

Are you sure man? Week 46 looks pretty current to me. :D

[__TRONIK__]

aha - so its the speed premiums with the good chips? figures, they are totally sold out. 256/512, whatever. boo...

[Reefa_Madness]

I just hope ocz doesn't get pissed off about this. Who knows? maybe it's just a coincidence that it performs like VX and ocz uses something completely different? I don't have those round circles on my ocz vx, so either ocz found a way to hide the circles during fab. or it's just different ics altogether.

Why would you worry about OCZ being pissed? After all, weren't you among the first ten to buy retail VX? You have no obligations to them do you?

As for the circles...you've stated that yours don't have the "dimples" but no one else has made that comment. The picture of the OCZ VX that was in one of the other threads had the dimples...I wonder why yours don't. Does anyone else have OCZ VX without dimples/circles (or with for that matter)?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22041&stc=1

ignore "thumbnail", use link.

[trans am]

Why would you worry about OCZ being pissed? After all, weren't you among the first ten to buy retail VX? You have no obligations to them do you?

As for the circles...you've stated that yours don't have the "dimples" but no one else has made that comment. The picture of the OCZ VX that was in one of the other threads had the dimples...I wonder why yours don't. Does anyone else have OCZ VX without dimples/circles (or with for that matter)?

Picture from one of the other threads:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22039&stc=1


link no worky..

[Reefa_Madness]

Yeah, I know. I've spent the last 10-15 minutes doing it over and over. I'm tired so I'm going to quit trying. It was just that picture of the OCZ VX module showing the chips with the dimples.

edit:
OK, got the link to "work" even though its not the intended way.

[TEDY]

i want 2*512 ...this newegg's link ?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

?

[gulp35]

*sevant*
Anyone else notice that trans am's chips are TMD7608F8E44D while the original poster's was TMD 7608F8E50D? Is this a major difference?

Another thing I noticed was that chips that had a 4 after the date (i.e. 04514, 04464) did better than ones with a D. Again does this matter? I am just a lurker that likes finding patterns in things
*/sevant??*

Otherwise great!!! I just need to find a 939 board that has a high Vdimm adjustment like the DFi 754 board (4.0v with new bios and slight boost of 3.3v rail :slobber: )

[tictac]

44D = 4,4ns

:)

They turning ON Winbond BH4 Machine?

[enzoR]

nah they got rid of the BH machines

[blinky]

the same machine is used by many companies, hell... winbond probably sold theirs to another company when they stopped making dram, or... whoever took them over (infineon?) is using those machines.

[//mAr]

difference between speed premium and twinmos/twinmos is only that speed premium are rated 4,4ns and twinmos/twinmos 5ns ;) but exactly the same chips...

alex from hardwareluxx.de working for twinmos said there that all new speed premium should be winbond UTT.

[enzoR]

the link in your sig is down :(

[tictac]

difference between speed premium and twinmos/twinmos is only that speed premium are rated 4,4ns and twinmos/twinmos 5ns ;) but exactly the same chips...

alex from hardwareluxx.de working for twinmos said there that all new speed premium should be winbond UTT.

very nice info there

Thanks m8 :toast:

[enzoR]

id like to know if these UTT chips work with any divider past 265fsb on intel chipsets?

[esdee]

Esdee, how long have you had this theory about the UTT blank?

just noticed the similarities in the two chips (Winbonds Vs VX) ... nothing more. Then Hipro5 said something about Winbond UTT (UnTesTed?) chips.That's all, when i had the change i just put them under serious voltage ... !

:toast:

[hipro5]

Why would you worry about OCZ being pissed? After all, weren't you among the first ten to buy retail VX? You have no obligations to them do you?

As for the circles...you've stated that yours don't have the "dimples" but no one else has made that comment. The picture of the OCZ VX that was in one of the other threads had the dimples...I wonder why yours don't. Does anyone else have OCZ VX without dimples/circles (or with for that matter)?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22041&stc=1

ignore "thumbnail", use link.

The photo you have attached is with Winbond ICs for sure........ ;)

[Reefa_Madness]

Over at OC Forums, where I mostly hang out, there was a thread in which one of the OCZ guys kept saying that the VX chip was not a Winbond chip, but many of us kept thinking that the physical similarities were difficult to overlook. It was stated by OCZ's rep that they had previously tried to get Winbond to start production again but had been unsuccessful and that in fact, the machines to manufacture, as well as the plans for the machines had been "lost" and that not even Winbond's engineers knew how to make them again. Those statements where a little difficult to accept.

Well, I guess that they (the machines) have been "found"...maybe in the back corner of their manufacturing plant or possibly in a box in the janitor's utility closet. :)

In any event, the bottom line is that there is Winbond to be played with again. Which brings up a related topic...hipro, what's the status of your Maximizer?

I think the demand for that product has just gone up!

[enzoR]

well their Infineon chips made on winbonds old machines ;)

[trans am]

Exactly, Winbond is making chips for Infineon. So why wouldn't Winbond make chips for others? ;) And that picture of the vx ic's. that has the circles. I can assure you mine doesn't have the circles, so something is very strange there. I was one of the 1st to get the VX, and no dimples, is this a later stick maybe? It has the same date as the twinmos I bought. How would some have the circles and some do not? Maybe they were trying to blanket the circles in the begining, but the price and hassle wasn't worth it so they stopped? Anyway, it doesn't matter, what really matters is that the 512 sticks we ordered do just as good.

[enzoR]

i think OCZ was trying to hide the circles as thats classical winbond ;)

[gulp35]

Another thing I noticed is that the OCZ VX shown in the last Link ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22041&stc=1 ) has 0446 as a date (same as trams am) and has a 50 at the end of the chip code (like esdee's 50D chips). Again this might only be a coincidence, but it could also mean that trans am's memory is rated faster than the OCZ VX. However, OCZ may be being conservative with the ratings.

I've heard alot saying that the 2 dimples are not only found in windbond chips but also several others (can't name any right now I just woke up) because they are a marking given by a certain type of chip-making machine (sort of like the cicles of flashing found on plastic army men).

[trans am]

I just noticed that we are in a new thread catagory. "Xtreme Bandwidth" cool thanks for new long overdue memory overclocking catagory!!! :toast: it's about time

[enzoR]

Another thing I noticed is that the OCZ VX shown in the last Link ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22041&stc=1 ) has 0446 as a date (same as trams am) and has a 50 at the end of the chip code (like esdee's 50D chips). Again this might only be a coincidence, but it could also mean that trans am's memory is rated faster than the OCZ VX. However, OCZ may be being conservative with the ratings.

I've heard alot saying that the 2 dimples are not only found in windbond chips but also several others (can't name any right now I just woke up) because they are a marking given by a certain type of chip-making machine (sort of like the cicles of flashing found on plastic army men).

i think thats jsut coincidence. maybe winbond puts the date on UTT chips but no ns rateing or anything. thats up to the people that test them.

[Reefa_Madness]

I have always heard that Infineon bought out Winbond's DRAM business and got their equipment but the level of confirmation on that was always just hearsay, never actually read anything verifiable, but now that appears to either be incorrect or Infineon just bought a portion or some of their equipment. Does anyone have information on this? Clearly, based on that news release linked below, Winbond is now making ICs FOR Infineon and selling the excess. This release was dated back in August of 2004 so it appears that these chips are now making their way into production or at least working their way into the spotlight.

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Optoelectronic-Component/a/9000000055550.htm

Edit - Mostly already posted by others by the time I found the link.

[trans am]

I have always heard that Infineon bought out Winbond's DRAM business and got their equipment but the level of confirmation on that was always just hearsay, never actually read anything verifiable, but now that appears to either be incorrect or Infineon just bought a portion or some of their equipment. Does anyone have information on this? Clearly, based on that news release linked below, Winbond is now making ICs FOR Infineon and selling the excess. This release was dated back in August of 2004 so it appears that these chips are now making their way into production or at least working their way into the spotlight.

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Optoelectronic-Component/a/9000000055550.htm


I called Infineon yesterday and Winbond, I mentioned what the deal is earlier in the thread.

[//mAr]

id like to know if these UTT chips work with any divider past 265fsb on intel chipsets?
running fine 5:4 @ ai7 @ 320 FSB ;)
FSB:RAM
320Mhz FSB : 256Mhz Ram


winbond isn't dead, winbond is only obligated that they don't use their prints/logos on the ram and produce for infineon with infineon technology ;)

;)

[enzoR]

5:4? ive never heard of a mobo that can run 5:4 past 300fsb. not even hipro's ic7

[bias_hjorth]

Say has anyone seen some kickass results yet or are the 260mhz around max :(

[esdee]

Say has anyone seen some kickass results yet or are the 260mhz around max :(

not yet ... ;) i hope ill have more than 10 sticks and a maximizer at the end of the week to test

btw my PSU (stock not modded) freaked out! 12V rail was 13.7V 5Vrail 5.7V. (who needs psu volt mods!!!:p: )and when the booster was showing 3.5V actual voltage was 4.7 (yep i said four point seven) for more than an hour!!! ... RAM-CPU-BOARD remained undamanged !

[gulp35]

There was a post showing some kingston memory a little while back that said it had these chips, what did kingston relabel them as?

[trans am]

Say has anyone seen some kickass results yet or are the 260mhz around max :(


Why? Is 270mhz @2-2-2 1T for $39.00 not kickass enough for you? Seriously, what are you expecting man?

[enzoR]

the final test to see if this is the same chips as VX it to test on an intel platform and see how far they get at 2-2-2-5. if they dont go very far 220-235, try at 3-2-2-5 if they reach speeds of 250 and above then these are the same chips :)

[esdee]

the final test to see if this is the same chips as VX it to test on an intel platform and see how far they get at 2-2-2-5. if they dont go very far 220-235, try at 3-2-2-5 if they reach speeds of 250 and above then these are the same chips :)


check the previous hipro5's posts..!

[bias_hjorth]

Why? Is 270mhz @2-2-2 1T for $39.00 not kickass enough for you? Seriously, what are you expecting man?


Simple - Something that beats EB´s and BH5 - 1gb btw.
270mhz 2-2-2-5 or what have you, has been around for ages. Usually I like technology to evolve. Not just to get another replacement if you catch my drift.