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Raptor
08-04-2004, 12:33 PM
Asus A8V via k8t800pro

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20033
(pic is a rev2.0 board)

overclocking options
Bus Speed: 200-300mhz in 1mhz steps
Bus Multiplier: 1x-5x
CPU Multiplier: 4x-20x
AGP speed: default, 66/33, 75/37 http://xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif locks dont work on most rev1.xx boards!http://xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif

overvolting options
Vcore: 0.8-1.80 in 0.025v steps
Vdimm: 2.50-2.80 in 0.1v steps
Vagp: 1.60, 1.70
Vlink: 2.5, 2.6

periphals and features
IDE: 3 ATA 133 slots (2 VIA and 1 Promise 20378)
IDE raid: 0,1,0+1,JBOD
SATA: 4 SATA 150 slots (2 VIA VT8237 and 2 Promise 20378)
SATA raid: 0,1,0+1,JBOD
sata+ide drives in raid: no
Firewire: 2 IEEE 1394A ports
LAN: Marvell 88E8001 gigabit ethernet
Sound: realtec ALC850 8 channel

links
mainboard homepage: A8V Deluxe (http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8v-d/overview.htm)
forum discussion: The OFFICIAL Asus AV8 tips, tricks and guide thread (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47232)
review #1: Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128&p=1) revision 2.0 review!
review #2: Hexus.net (http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTU=) revision 1.0 review!
review #3: Hardwareluxx (http://www.hardwareluxx.de/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000059) (german) revision 1.0 review!
vmod #1: vcore (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40378&highlight=a8v)
vmod #2: vdimm (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40378&highlight=a8v)
vmod #3: vht (http://) missing
vmod #4: vdd (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40378&highlight=a8v)


pros
locks are working on all rev2.xx boards
stable and high vcore up to 1.85v
good pcb layout
runs great with bh5
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1runs great with ocz eb
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1runs great with tccd
2x Memory Interleaving?
tracks vtt, ocz booster works up to ~3v

cons
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif locks not working on most rev1.xx boards!
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif generally starts topping out in the 250's htt (bios 1005.021 beta for rev 1.02)
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1http://xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif OVP on VDimm at ~3.15v with a vdimm mod and ~3v with an ocz ddr booster
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif
cpu temperature reading not working correctly


TIPS
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: you have to disable cool n quiet when ocing
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: disable fast writes
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: if you have problems to boot or get your system stable at very low cpu temps try the beta bios 1009.002 or a newer bios version
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: bios 1008 might cause prime95 instability, get the latest bios
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: you need bios 1007.xx or later to get a winchester 90nm cpu working on this board
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: if you have a winchester and your current bios doesnt support it use 1 stick of ram (in slot B1)
then boot from a floppy and flash to 1007 or newer:
1. power down your system
2. Reset cmos
3. boot from a bootable floppy
4. use another floppy with the new bios and the AFUdos.exe program on it
5. type at the A prompt: afudos.exe /ia8v1007.ami
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: 1007 seems to give some people problems with the agp/pci locks, use 1008.002 or later
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: thermaltake xp120 and corsair xl pro wont fit on this board
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: use the promise ide controller when ocing, the via controller is rumored to get unstable when ocing (not locked?)
if you are using the via controller already and want to switch to the promise controller follow this short guide:
1. Copy the PROMISE SATA drivers to a floppy.
2. Turn off your computer and switch your HDD to the PROMISE controller
3. Turn on goto the BIOS ; Advanced > OnBoard Devices Configuration > Onboard Promise Controller [Enabled] > Operating Mode [IDE]
4. In the BIOSchange Boot priority to CD and exit BIOS
5. Pop in your XP CD and press F6 (look carefully for the message at the bottom of the screen)
6. Pop in your Floppy and let XP copy the PROMISE Drivers.
7. Exit install when asked for.
If the above method doesn't work, follow the same steps only let XP repair the existing installation. You should not lose any data.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: you need a fan connected to the cpu fan slot
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: if your having stability problems unplug low speed fans, low rpms are rumored to make the board unstable
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: if your board has no working locks try to enable them with a hacked bios, works for some boards
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: if you have problems booting with one stick try it in slot3 (counting away from the cpu socket)
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: 1007 seems to give some people problems with the agp/pci locks, use 1008.002 or later
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20351&stc=1TIP: bios 1009 beta seems to have coldboot and stability issues above 240fsb (no lock?)





check out the ultimate 939 mobo guide here (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46730) for informations, bugfixes and tips for all 939 mainboards


EDIT:
-saaya

StormPC
08-04-2004, 05:18 PM
Beta BIOS 1005.021 has the locks working too. the newer ones dont have the locks for 1.02 and 1.01 boards


Try DDR in 2 and 4 and the booster in 3. Make sure the 4 pin connectors are plugged in properly to power and to the booster.

Raptor
08-05-2004, 12:51 AM
I tried both 1005.021 and 1005.020 and i liked them both.

I was just wondering if Asus had realeased any oficial or beta bios with PCI-Lock already... guess not :(

As for the Booster, i'll try in a minute! :)


Thanks for the repply!:toast:

Raptor
08-05-2004, 02:54 AM
Both in Slot1 and Slot3, if i pass 2.8v, the system simply refuses to boot!!! :(

Mongoose420
08-05-2004, 03:43 AM
with the 1003 bios that shipped with my board i could run 220mhz htt easy enough 1:1 with my bh-5. With both the 1005.020 and the 1005.021 did over 270htt and 250htt 1:1 with my 3700EB.

Both beta bios and clockgen/setfsb can be found in my sig.

iboomalot
08-05-2004, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by Raptor
Both in Slot1 and Slot3, if i pass 2.8v, the system simply refuses to boot!!! :(

ram in slot 1 & 3??

where is booster at??

Iam thinking about that thing if needed but want more info.


Raptor AMD Athlon64 3500+@2500MHz || Asus A8V Deluxe || XFX Geforce 6800 Ultra 256Mb (470/1250) || Watercooled (Prometeia Mach2 R404a beeing modded.)

what is that getting scores wise??

Mongoose420
08-05-2004, 04:53 AM
most likely his rams in slot 2(dimm_a2) and 4(dimm_b2) like described in the manual. For some reason i got a yellow page that said it needed to be in slot 1(dimm_a1) and slot 3(dimm_b1) for dual channel contricting the manual. Havnt tried mine in slots other than 1&3 however so im not sure how it works there even without the booster.

Have you tried just one stick in slot 1 and the ddr booster in slot 3?

iboomalot
08-05-2004, 05:27 AM
I know when putting together my a8v i put one stick in ram slot 1 and wouldn't boot. It had to be in slot 3. Seems like a very picky board where the ram goes.

let us know what combo works.

xgman
08-05-2004, 06:16 AM
I couldn't get the booster past 2.88v in slot 1 . haven't tried slot 3 yet because it touches the ram cover in slot 2.

xgman
08-05-2004, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by Raptor
Both in Slot1 and Slot3, if i pass 2.8v, the system simply refuses to boot!!! :(

I get the feeling that this board (1.02) has some sort of over voltage protection. :(

xgman
08-05-2004, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by iboomalot
I know when putting together my a8v i put one stick in ram slot 1 and wouldn't boot. It had to be in slot 3. Seems like a very picky board where the ram goes.

let us know what combo works.

slot 2 & 4 runs dual channel fine.

Raptor
08-05-2004, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Mongoose420

Have you tried just one stick in slot 1 and the ddr booster in slot 3?

No, but what's the point of using this board without DualChannel... ;) (i'll try it, don't worry).


Ohh, and by the way, what's the normal score in SisoftSandra Mem Buffered benchmark with default settings? I get 4800MB/s but a user with the exact same system gets 5400...

I get this with some A-Data PC4000 with terrible timings @270MHz FSB:

http://sapp.telepac.pt/raptor/270.jpg


http://sapp.telepac.pt/raptor/270.jpg

quicksilverXP
08-05-2004, 11:13 AM
Is your memory running 1T or 2T? You'll notice a huge performance loss if you're running 2T. On my FX-53 I lost 1000 points by running 2T, although I was able to overclock less..... it's a tradeoff I guess.... less memory bandwidth for more speed.

Raptor
08-05-2004, 11:42 AM
God point... i'm using 2T Enable...

Edit: WOW... that's a huge performance hit! :D Thanks! :toast:

Mongoose420
08-05-2004, 11:50 AM
yea, looks like your use'n 2T . I got like 59xx/59xx at 200x11 on my 3500+ 2-2-2-5.

Hell-Fire
08-09-2004, 07:41 PM
I am aware there are several threads about this board and its mods, but I am in the process of consolidating the many threads into a single point of information.

I will be this to many threads it appears, as I continue to see the same questions asked over and over again on the same components. I aim to post as many threads about mods I work on, and consolidate the many other threads and basically condense them into the actual important information versus making members read thru vast numbers of pages looking for the answers they seek.

This is the mods I performed for pkrew on his A8V board. I did them a little different from the other mods I perform as he has graciously decided to send me some items that are going to be very useful to me. I have done the mods so that he has the option to go back to straight stock if he decides to do so versus only having the option of using the installed VRs.

Onto the mods.

A8V Vdimm Mod:

There are several different posted methods for this mod, and I have choosen the method that I would have done if this were my board. You remove R422 and replace it with either a 5k or 10k VR set to 2.135K-ohms (gets to stock voltages).

Note that you do not have to remove R422 to do this mod. I had previously removed it working a one of the other methods for this mod and decided to leave it off. All you need to do is solder a 50K VR to pin #6 of the Vreg chip and GND.

You can see that I set the mod up so that he can use a jumper to go to stock or run modded.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/pkrew_A8V_Vdimm.jpg


A8V Vcore Mod:

For this mod you remove R167 (near the Vreg), and replace it with a 100-200ohm VR set to 20 ohms.

You can see that I also included a method for him to go to stock using the jumper.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/pkrew_A8V_Vcore.jpg


Before anyone asks the question about why bother adding the jumper to get back to stock when adjusting the VR will allow the same result....the reason is simple, it keeps the user from having to constantly adjust the VRs. Lets say that you get to a voltage that you like to play with, but from time to time you want to run stock plain and simple...then a simple jumper change and all is good.

Now, if anyone can check these FETs and point me to the one reading Vdd we can work on that. If I dont get a response by tomorrow, I will have to go ahead and ship this out to pkrew so he can get his toy back. ;)

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/pkrew_A8V_Vdd-Vagp_Read.jpg

pkrew
08-09-2004, 09:18 PM
Those are absolutely beautiful mods my friend. Thanks for a great job.:toast:

Hell-Fire
08-10-2004, 08:35 PM
Incidently, this board does not require a Vtt mod as it tracks properly.

Tested up to 3.25v and Vtt was dead on 1.625v. ;)

pkrew
08-10-2004, 09:36 PM
Looks great, Hell-Fire, 3.25 vdimm, more than I expected

Hell-Fire
08-10-2004, 09:52 PM
I dont know if the OVP built into the board will limit that or not bud. I ran it that high, and it was still climbing, without a cpu mounted. Some boards will power up with high Vdimm but not post.

Hell-Fire
08-11-2004, 08:10 PM
I need someone with this board to check something for me please.

Possible Vdd Mod:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/pkrew_A8V_Vdd.jpg

Here is a blown up location of the possible mod site:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/pkrew_A8V_Vdd_2.jpg


pkrew, I went ahead with the mod, but please leave it unplugged until we can confirm that it works. Sometimes it sucks to work on these boards without a cpu to test it with. Just unplug the fan header that the VR is connected to and the mod is effectively off.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rwbradl2/Vmods/pkrew_A8V_Vdd_Mod_Test.jpg

Rukee
08-14-2004, 05:52 AM
..anyone figured out how to get it to work yet??
I`ve seen my chip run over 3GHz, but without the PCI\APG lock..
Is there a BIOS or anything that will do what we want??

JNav89GT
08-14-2004, 08:27 AM
www.bleedinedge.com
bios 1005.021

Rukee
08-14-2004, 06:53 PM
Sweet!!!
Thanks a ton man!! I`ve never been able to run this good 1:1.
Who says tight timing are what`s needed for bandwidth??
Check it out...with a 1gig kit OCZ PC3500EBs


http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20422

bh2k
08-14-2004, 07:23 PM
Wow, insane bandwidth!!

AcUaViVa
08-15-2004, 02:12 AM
A8V 2.0 OR 1.02?

Rukee
08-15-2004, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by AcUaViVa
A8V 2.0 OR 1.02?

bewteen the 4 and 5th slots it says A8V rev 1.02

quicksilverXP
08-15-2004, 12:36 PM
Wow... and you are sure the locks are working now with tht bios?

Rukee
08-15-2004, 03:54 PM
How would I tell??
I crap out at about 249-250fsb 1:1, but I was thinking it was the memory seeing as how it`s only PC3500.

JNav89GT
08-15-2004, 05:58 PM
they are working
you wouldn't get that far w/out locks

AcUaViVa
08-15-2004, 09:50 PM
rukee you oc by bios or by clockgent?

this week i have a 3500+ and a a8v 1.02 like you

but my memory its adata 4000

you think tat i can hit 250 1:1 ?

2.5-4-3-10 1T

thanks

Rukee
08-16-2004, 03:15 AM
I boot at 220fsb, then use the setfsb to bump it up from there.

Blaster
08-16-2004, 04:32 AM
whats the difference between 1005.020 and 1005.021?

im testing the 1005.020 now, locks works amd seems rock stable at 2600Mhz still on air

JNav89GT
08-16-2004, 04:37 AM
never used 1005.020, just used the 21 variant. Heard the 21 was better, but I have no basis for comparison.

My locks work. Too bad my memory won't scale as high as Rukee's.

Blaster
08-16-2004, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by JNav89GT
never used 1005.020, just used the 21 variant. Heard the 21 was better, but I have no basis for comparison.

My locks work. Too bad my memory won't scale as high as Rukee's.

After testing both I have to say the 1005.020 is much more stable, and faster the 1005.021.

.... At least on my A8V v1.02 :D

JNav89GT
08-16-2004, 06:55 AM
hrm
I'll have to give it a go :)

Rukee
08-16-2004, 09:52 AM
This is just getting crazzy!!!
Can this be PC3500???
I can`t believe it!!
http://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/260fsb.jpg

AcUaViVa
08-16-2004, 11:13 AM
1005.020 cant oc from bios to 250 fsb?

Blaster
08-16-2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by AcUaViVa
1005.020 cant oc from bios to 250 fsb?

I can on mine :D


Awesome results Rukee :toast:

u running those EBs with 2,8 vdimm ??

Rukee
08-16-2004, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Blaster
I can on mine :D


Awesome results Rukee :toast:

u running those EBs with 2,8 vdimm ??
I duuno what they are at, I have the voltage set to 'auto'
updated screenshot....I can`t believe it myself!!:slobber:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20423

althes
08-16-2004, 02:55 PM
damn can you hit 8k in sandra

Rukee
08-16-2004, 04:02 PM
what`s the highest anyone has seen??
...is this it??

hallowen
08-16-2004, 04:16 PM
Outstanding Rukee :D

Can you run some Super Pi for Us?:toast:

Rukee
08-16-2004, 05:10 PM
I wish I could run SuperPi there! :p
It`ll run Sanda at 262 and 01 at 259.
Strange is it scores the same in SuperPi @ 235 (32secs) as it does at 248fsb (32secs). What would the bottle neck be there??

xgman
08-16-2004, 06:02 PM
superpi's scores have a pretty large spread from point to point as far as mhz and fsb go.

Nekros
08-17-2004, 06:30 AM
Hi Guys,

I am new here. I came here because you guys are the best, and know all the newest hardware on the market and I need a little help.

I am building a CAD system that will be running stock. I need the most reliable motherboard solution on the market. I could go with socket 940 or 939. I like Asus stuff, but Wrench tells me that people have problems with the A8V Deluxe motherboard. I am also looking at MSI and Abit as motherboard suppliers. What is your guys experience with these motherboards? What do you recommend as the most stable, trouble-free board?

Thanks for your input!

- Nekros

iboomalot
08-17-2004, 06:50 AM
if the locks aren't working it sucks for overclocking

solution 1 get a bios with working locks and it OCs pretty good and stable.

solution 2 don't OC the board more than 5% and will be fine.


problems mainly are if the locks aren't working and you OC the board past 220 FSB then the SATA becomes unstable. I have a 1.02 board and loaded bios 1005.21 and it runs nice. I can run 2.6 - 2.7 ghz and stock is 2.2 ghz

Since you are going to run stock speeds you will have NO issues.

get the asus and OC that puppy about 10% should be safe and fine. Just make sure locks are working.

xgman
08-17-2004, 06:51 AM
make sure you get a rev. 2.0 The one with NO Wi Fi card.

Nekros
08-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Thanks iboomalot and xgman.

I really want to go with the Asus solution cause they are my favorite brand. I have built hundreds of systems with them and only a couple have had issues. I really dont want to go with MSI cause almost every motherboard i bought, i had problems! Abit is great stuff too, but I dont know how there 64 bit lineup is in terms of stability.

Blaster
08-17-2004, 09:12 AM
Thanks Hell-fire :)

that I can do ... heheh

Any luck with removing the OVP m8?

I tried that toy from OCZ on my A8V v1.02 and past 2,97v the comp freezes, I believe its the OVP...

some ppl are saying they are reaching 3,15 with the vmod, ill try it tomorrow

man... If i was close to u I would donate a mboard for u to "play" with LOL

:D

Hell-Fire
08-17-2004, 10:46 AM
LOL...I love toys to play with.

GL with the mod...I am sure you will do well.

Blaster
08-17-2004, 02:03 PM
The only prob with the A8V is the low vdimm, even with mods

iboomalot
08-17-2004, 02:07 PM
Asus has voltage limiting thus Vmods don't help.

When the DFI mobo comes out to play the 939s scores will improve across the board including the NC ones.

cowpuppy
08-17-2004, 02:12 PM
Run some 3700 EB in it and you don't need to do a vdimm mod :D
It's a good board teamed up with the .21 bios.


http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20425

iboomalot
08-17-2004, 02:51 PM
thats strange my 3700 EB is lower in bandwidth

what could I improve to get my bandwidth up??

http://hometown.aol.com/iboomalot/images/ram%20shot.jpg

LilGator
08-17-2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by iboomalot

Asus has voltage limiting thus Vmods don't help.

When the DFI mobo comes out to play the 939s scores will improve across the board including the NC ones.


When the DFI comes out, S754 scores will improve as well, look at OPPs score. So what's your point ?

Boogotop
08-17-2004, 03:04 PM
my A8V is a real POS!!!

but he was probably defective....not stable at stock speed....tested with 3 cpu (2x3500+ and 1xFX53) and with Mushkin PC3500Level2...Corsair 3200llpt CH5 and OCZ 3700EB

i'll wait 2 or 3 week before RMA and got a rev 2

Reflex1
08-18-2004, 08:20 AM
So do ALL A8V's have PCI/AGP locks with this new bios (even rev. 1?), or only certain revisions. Since Rev. 2 isn't avaible over here.

iboomalot
08-18-2004, 08:25 AM
suppose to have locks on the rev 2.0 mobos

rev 1.02 should have locks but requires a Bios change(1005.21).


Thats what Bubba told me, he is in the top bunk here at the Attica Correctional Facility. :D

StormPC
08-18-2004, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by a5h
kinda back to topic: So do ALL A8V's have PCI/AGP locks with this new bios (even rev. 1?), or only certain revisions. Since Rev. 2 isn't avaible over here.

Only the 2.0 OFFICIALLY supports locks, but 1.2 has them if you use a BIOS that supports it.

cowpuppy
08-18-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by iboomalot
thats strange my 3700 EB is lower in bandwidth

what could I improve to get my bandwidth up??

You need to run a higher multiplier

iboomalot
08-18-2004, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by cowpuppy
You need to run a higher multiplier


guess Iam SOL for now since Iam not running PC

AcUaViVa
08-20-2004, 09:11 AM
well rukee

i have the same bios but...
you can change de multiplicator of your cpu?

your oc is made with set fsb ?

you cant put up the vcore by bios?

pkrew
08-20-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Rukee
what`s the highest anyone has seen??
...is this it??


Don't know what the highest is, probably higher than this, which is the best one I've had.

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20424

Rukee
08-20-2004, 03:43 PM
details man!! What platform and memory is that?? any MODs done?

Awesome results dude!! :D

pkrew
08-21-2004, 06:27 AM
Its a gigabyte-939 board at 11 x 274 with a FX-53. Vcore and vdimm modded. KHX pc3500(bh-5)

pkrew
09-17-2004, 04:53 AM
I dont know if you got my PM, but the A8V you modded for me was DOA. Luckily, nothing else got fried. Maybe the vdd mod or someting. Let me know if you want it back to look it over

GomerPyle
09-19-2004, 05:46 AM
without a cpu its easy to get for instance 3.50v on the A8V. No post above 3.15v though with cpu though.
btw looks great.

EDIT: spelling :rolleyes:

JNav89GT
09-19-2004, 05:58 AM
pkrew
set the vdimm back to stock via the resistor. it may post then

pkrew
09-19-2004, 05:02 PM
Hell-fire put a jumper on the mod to turn it off. I've tried it both ways, still no post. I'm sure the board is fried.

Hell-Fire
09-19-2004, 11:15 PM
Hey pkrew.

Sure thing man. Send her back to me. I have been so swamped with school projects that I havent had much time to check the forums here lately.

pkrew
09-20-2004, 04:44 AM
No problem bud, thanks for responding. I'll send it back and let you look at it. If you can fix it great, if not things happen. Take your time with it when you get it. Get your other priorities worked out first.

Phil

CamDog
10-26-2004, 06:19 PM
First off, I would like to say thanks so far. I stumbled upon XtremeSystems about a week ago, when searching for the best forums for overclocking, with a community that knows what they are talking about. While waiting for my activation, so I can post, I read hours and hours of topics on overclocking, some making me nervous, and some making me think "this shouldn't be too bad".

I buy a computer system once every 2 years to try to keep on top of things, and keep up on computer systems as much as I can. I run a part time home business from my home, building computers for people for an affordable price. The problem is, I have never dabbled in OC'ing, and see now its not about "click this, enable that, do this", but more a work of art, to achieve a balance between heat and performance. Even after a few days of research, I am still a bit scared to start the OC'ing. I have read the typical 'I burned my :banana::banana::banana::banana: up!' all the way to 'it was fairly easy, smooth going, and machine runs great!'. I am hoping to fall in the middle somewhere :D

Before I start, let me give you guys a break down of equipment.

My System

Motherboard
Asus A8V Deluxe (http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=A8V%20Deluxe&langs=01)

Processor
Athlon 64 3500+ (http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q3/athlon64-3500/index.x?pg=1)

CPU Heatsink
Ultra Vortex KCC-V91 (http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=KCC-V91&other_title=%2BKCC-V91%2BUltra%20Vortex&PHPSESSID=acc2f88700134cb54c0a75edd9be9d92)

Memory
Kingston 512MBx2 PC3200 (HyperX) DDR RAM - CL2 (1 gig) (http://www.techbuy.com.au/products/32370/MEMORY_DDR/Kingston/KHX3200A-512/512MB_PC3200_(HyperX)_DDR_RAM_-_CL2.asp)

Hard Drives
2x 36GB|WD 10K RPM WD360GD 8MB SATA (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-200&depa=0)

Case
Wave Master TAC-T01 (http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=TAC-T01&other_title=TAC-T01Wave%20Master)
(I only give case information, for airflow reason?)

I believe that’s all the information you need. If not, please tell me, and I will post it asap. I have NOT hooked this machine up, its all sitting in boxes at my feet, because I am waiting on my CPU cooler, that should be arriving Friday, but thought I would start my post now, so by then, I am armed with some information.

This post is just a standard "Help me, I am a newb" post, and I guess I am just trying to get some insite as to what I should do first. Am I starting in over my head? And if so, where does one start where the waters shallow! I am fairly computer friendly, I work full time at a Techbench fixing computers all day, and have been in the computer repair field for about 6 years now. I spend upwards of 8 hours a day on my computer, sometimes more, so know my way around. I just have not jumped into the OC'ing bandwagon yet, and with my new system, would really like some guidance to get there.

I'm sure I didn't post all the information I needed to, in that case, only ask, and Ill do my best to help you, help me :)

BTW, I have bookmarked this site, because they discuss similar things that I would like to do.

http://www.digital-daily.com/motherboard/asus-a8v-deluxe/

I have also surfed through about the first 10 pages in the forums that come up under Asus A8V.

Where does a newb start! Even better, someone who has a similar setup, that would give me a basic walkthrough. Thank a ton guys,

CamDog

emtp563
10-26-2004, 06:24 PM
There is some excellent info on overclocking the A8V here: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=332591

It's a forum thread that has all relevant information compiled in to the first post.

I guess you are a "newb", you spelled NooB wrong ;-)

The first thing I would do if I were you would be to confirm that your A8V is a revision 2.0 board. If you want to OC, you need a PCI/AGP on your motherboard that works. The lock on the rev. 2.0 is guaranteed to work.

Things to consider:

1.) HTT frequency must not exceed 1000Mhz. For the 3500+, the "FSB- for sake of simplicity" is 200Mhz, the HTT multiplier is "5". 200 x 5 = 1000Mhz. If you increase the "FSB", ie- over 200Mhz, you need to use a HTT divider to return the HTT bus to < or = 1000Mhz. On the A8V, it's slightly confusing. In the bios, 1000Mhz=5, 800Mhz=4, 600Mhz=3, 400Mhz=2, 200Mhz=1. So if you used a "FSB" of 250Mhz, you would need to use the HTT setting of 800Mhz (250x4=1000).

2.) Memory- I use the 250 x 10 = 2500Mhz. My RAM is PC-3200, which means it was designed for the 200Mhz "FSB." using the 1:1 memory divider (ie, no divider) would run my memory at 250Mhz, which it won't do at the timings I would like it to run at. So I must use a memory divider. I'm on my laptop at the moment, so I can't tell you what divider I used (I think it wasd 5:3- I can't remember- but it is the next step down from 1:1)(but my RAM is running at 208Mhz at CAS2, 2-5-2-1T timings). Faster timings at a slower "FSB" is better (in most cases) than slower timings at a higher "FSB"

3.) voltages- crank up the mem voltage (to 2.8v anyway), I wouldn't go abobe 1.7v on the cpu with air-cooling.

4.) Use the PCI/AGP lock: ie- set it to 33/66Mhz.

Good luck- read that thread, it explains all of this in great detail and it's all in one place.

CamDog
10-26-2004, 06:59 PM
Wow, that post you linked is out of control to say the least. Thank you very much, as I will have a few hours of things to go over.

Also, your generic information on OC'ing my board is EXTREEMLY helpful! Ill come back and post a recap of what happens :)

emtp563
10-27-2004, 02:33 AM
My pleasure CamDog. I just got my A64 setup last week. I bit the bullet this entire time and stuck with my XP cpu/mobo this entire time waiting for S939 to come out. Overclocking the 64 is a lot more indepth than OC'ing the XP, for sure.

Reading this excellent forum and sitting back, relaxing, and watching the pro's be my guinea pig this time around was especially nice. If anyone remembers (or cares) I was one of the guinea pigs when the original AthlonXP was released (along with Oppainter) experimenting with cutting "golden bridges" way back in 2001. I happened to get my XP a week before they were released to the general public. I started a website and posted my results (the website is still up and has not been changed since then, LOL- http://www.oc-athlonxp.com )

Mongoose420
10-27-2004, 02:38 AM
also, its prolly mentioned in one of those other threads. but run your raptors on the VIA raid sata ports and not the promise ports if you want to overclock and not loose your install lol.

look between the 4th and 5th pci slot for your revision number, if its a rev1.02 you will need to click the link in my sig and flash to the 1005.020 or 1005.021 beta bios to get a chance at locks. if you have a rev2 just set it to 33/66.

GL

CamDog
10-27-2004, 08:54 AM
It says version 2.0

Mongoose420
10-27-2004, 08:57 AM
then all you have to do is set it in bios and your good to go.

bigjohns97
10-27-2004, 09:01 AM
you forgot the most important part,

post your results when you are done :D

CamDog
10-27-2004, 09:04 AM
Mongoose420,

can you give me a quick run down of what the programs are in this site?

This site? (http://welloverclocked.com/A8Vstuff/)


you guys rock, thanks again

Rukee
10-27-2004, 09:07 AM
Things to consider:

1.) HTT frequency must not exceed 1000Mhz. For the 3500+, the "FSB- for sake of simplicity" is 200Mhz, the HTT multiplier is "5". 200 x 5 = 1000Mhz. If you increase the "FSB", ie- over 200Mhz, you need to use a HTT divider to return the HTT bus to < or = 1000Mhz. On the A8V, it's slightly confusing. In the bios, 1000Mhz=5, 800Mhz=4, 600Mhz=3, 400Mhz=2, 200Mhz=1. So if you used a "FSB" of 250Mhz, you would need to use the HTT setting of 800Mhz (250x4=1000).


I have a 3500+ and the A8V and run at 249 24\7 and bench at 265fsb and never have changed it from 1000.

buff
10-27-2004, 09:25 AM
one thing.......that Heatsink looks very.....uhm....weak.
Might be a good Idea to get a better oc'n heatink

Mongoose420
10-27-2004, 09:42 AM
I have a 3500+ and the A8V and run at 249 24\7 and bench at 265fsb and never have changed it from 1000.

remember you loose effective x5 ldt with the locks enabled.

CamDog
10-27-2004, 11:28 AM
if that cpu cooler is a bit weak, do you have a recommendation, without going liquid?

CamDog
10-30-2004, 12:02 PM
is 57c to hot to run with my setup? thats what I am at after a bit of tweaking :slobber:

`schr0et
10-30-2004, 12:11 PM
remember you loose effective x5 ldt with the locks enabled.

Huh?

What do you mean? I've run 260x11 with 1000 HTT for over a month, lowering it didn't help or hurt it.

CamDog
10-30-2004, 12:26 PM
I am going to post a couple pictures of my bios, and settings... These memory settings you guys speak of, ie 2-5-2-1t etc, I see nothing like that in my bios.

Also, do you guys think my setup is running to hot? (2 posts up, I posted temprature)

It makes me very nervous, because the first time I messed with my settings, my machine didn't boot, I had to pop the cmos chip out and start at factory settings again. Is that what you guys do when your, errmm, tests don't work out like planned?

thanks again guys :)

-CamDog

emtp563
10-30-2004, 12:36 PM
CamDog- yes, that temp is on the hot side. If you want to overclock- a better heat-sink might be in order. If your machine won't boot due to wrong settings, there is a safety built in- just power off the computer and restart it. if that doesn't work, use the clear cmos CCMOS jumper on the motherboard to reset the bios to default settings. ASUS calls this CLRTC. Go to page 2-18 in your owners manual to find out how to use this.

I don't have time right now, but I will post tomorrow the exact memory timings. The 2-5-2- moniker refers to the most popular settings- I know there are many others in the ASUS bios. I'll post back tomorrow.

Mongoose420
10-30-2004, 02:25 PM
Huh?

What do you mean? I've run 260x11 with 1000 HTT for over a month, lowering it didn't help or hurt it.

check sandra with the locks enabled then check sandra again with the locks disabled. At a sub 220HTT tho. even set to 1000HT you only get 4xldt with the locks enabled on both the 1.02 and rev2 boards.

Hype
11-10-2004, 03:30 AM
I've just gotten an Asus A8V Deluxe rev. 2.0 board and 3200+ Winchester, and I've heard that you HAVE TO flash the bios before the system will boot with the new CPU!?
Well, I've just tried this (a MS-DOS boot disk + bios file + update tool), but nothing seems to happen?! I just get a blank screen! I've also tried to press ALT+F2, but that doesnt help!

Can anyone help me so I can get my system up running?! :)

Kanavit
11-10-2004, 03:31 AM
don't you need to flash the bios first before installing cpu(winny) , how will you do that?

Hype
11-10-2004, 03:34 AM
I've assembled the system and want to flash the bios with a floppy disk! Can't that be done? I've talked to a few people who have done it this way...

Hype
11-10-2004, 03:41 AM
There... I got it up running! I just had to have only 1 stick of ram in the system (in slot B1), and then it would boot from the floppy :)

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-10-2004, 03:59 AM
n1ce! u tried oc'ing??? (4 sure i gues!) post some pics plz

Hype
11-10-2004, 05:07 AM
I havent tried any OC yet, but i'm gonna get to it in a minute! ;)

my stepping is: CBBFD 0433RPMW

Dont know if it's any good!?

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-10-2004, 05:52 AM
g0g0g0 ^^ maximum power XD

Hype
11-10-2004, 08:03 AM
I've posted in the "official Winchester OC thread", but I might as well post in here to ;)

Asus A8V Deluxe rev. 2.0
3200+ Winchester @ 2600Mhz - 1.45 vcore
stepping: 0433RPMW
BOX cooler (gonna get a Coolermaster Hyper6 on it soon)
2 x 512mb Samsung PC3200 @ 3-3-3-7
X800XT PE

http://www.upit.dk/u/2600.JPG

http://www.upit.dk/u/superpi.JPG

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-10-2004, 08:06 AM
so the a8v doesn't seem to suck!

Den Leiw
11-10-2004, 01:23 PM
of course not

at least the revision 2.0 of the board, and I'm stuck with a 1.0 :(((((

YoupY
11-10-2004, 02:02 PM
afaik the asus rev 2 bord has the 1007 bios on it, and in the 1007 bios winchester support has been added iirc.

However the 1007 bios does not seem to lock the agp / pci as I read on the forums here, but the new beta 1008.002 isn't giving my any problems

Th3__W00T_GuY__
11-11-2004, 03:30 AM
However the 1007 bios does not seem to lock the agp / pci as I read on the forums here, but the new beta 1008.002 isn't giving my any problems


wtf no locks? that's impossible dude...!
:stick:

Hype
11-11-2004, 06:19 AM
afaik the asus rev 2 bord has the 1007 bios on it, and in the 1007 bios winchester support has been added iirc.

However the 1007 bios does not seem to lock the agp / pci as I read on the forums here, but the new beta 1008.002 isn't giving my any problems

My rev. 2.0 didnt work with the Winchester out of the box! I needed to flash it to make it work!
And my PCI/AGP lock works fine?!

Cashman
11-18-2004, 12:49 AM
I have been using an MSI Neo2 Platinum (Nforce3 Ultra Chipset) but sold this in order to use the Asus A8V Deluxe Rev2.

After building the system, I powered it on and enetered the BIOS. The was no sign of my SATA HDD. then saved and exited be there was no starting of windows. IF I pressed TAB when prompted by the SATA Boot ROM I could see the HD in the array of one disk but I could not amaend anything. Then the Promise RAID detects the HDD but says bios is not installed. The PC then reboots.

I have tried disabling Promise controller and that does not help. If I try disabling the "onchip SATA BOOTROM" then the system doesnt get to POST before it says "NO HARD DISK DETECTED".

I have tried using SATA sockets 1 and 2. Aswell as SATA RAID sockets 1 and 2... none of them detect the HDD.

1) As I was running the same system on the last motherboard, do I need to reformat all the volume inorder to get rid of the old motherboard drivers??

2) What can I do for the single SATA HDD to be detected in the BIOS??

3) Does this sound like my HDD is damaged? But it is strange how the BIOS cannot see the HDD yet the Promise controller and BOOTROM know what type of HDD i'm using??

Please help me,

Many thanks

:)

Adelon
11-18-2004, 01:21 AM
Well you need to make a raid floppy first check your asus cd en make a floppy drive for the raid controler (there two of them) then when instaling windows xp pro click F6 to instal the drivers for your raid controler

good luck

Cashman
11-18-2004, 01:28 AM
is that the case, even if Im only using one HDD??

I am only using one Sata drive and that is the raptor... so I assume that the RAID thing isnot required??

Adelon
11-18-2004, 01:50 AM
yeah even for only one drive you need to instal the drivers

Cashman
11-18-2004, 03:41 AM
ok, thanx for that mate,

so how exactely do I do it? And do I have to reinstall windows on the HD as I only did it 2 weeks ago!?

Adelon
11-18-2004, 04:02 AM
when you change your mainboard its always wise to re-instal a OS on it because the configuration is probely diffrent from your MSI Neo board

=[PULSAR]=
11-18-2004, 04:09 AM
Cashman boots off the windows cd and at the beginning press F6 when it prompts you to, to install a 3rd party scsi driver. Then after a little bit, it will go into your Floppy Drive and find the correct sata driver that corresponds with your controller and OS being used.

Cashman
11-18-2004, 04:58 AM
thanx mate! So I should have a floppy disk that came with my mobo yeah?? put this into the drive when it asks and it will find the appropriate drivers??

SO I do need to reinstall windows again?? even though its already on the HD?

Why is it that every other motherboard allows me to simply plug the Raptor in without any need for installing the drivers!

Machiavelli
11-18-2004, 05:58 AM
If you look under control pannel/administrative tools/computer management/device manager/ you should see "scsi/raid controlers listed." click on it and update the drivers using your floppy of whereever you store them.

Now go to computer management/disk management and you should see the raptor. Format if necessary and should be good to go.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think I have read that you want to use sata slots 3 or 4 since they are the only ones which are locked for your board.

Cheers

Adelon
11-18-2004, 06:45 AM
If you look under control pannel/administrative tools/computer management/device manager/ you should see "scsi/raid controlers listed." click on it and update the drivers using your floppy of whereever you store them.

Now go to computer management/disk management and you should see the raptor. Format if necessary and should be good to go.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think I have read that you want to use sata slots 3 or 4 since they are the only ones which are locked for your board.

Cheers

yust wondering is the onboard via controler 3 and 4 or the promise controler? yust wondering whits one is locked

proxg
12-06-2004, 01:14 AM
Don't know what the highest is, probably higher than this, which is the best one I've had.

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20424

Here's mine... However, the system is not stable at these settings... 315x9 1:1 (3-4-4-8-1T)..... My A8V Rev.2 seems to make the memory more stable when it's running at 2.7V, not 2.8... Other useful info is in my signature :)

Joor
12-06-2004, 01:25 AM
Here's mine... However, the system is not stable at these settings... 315x9 1:1 (3-4-4-8-1T)..... My A8V Rev.2 seems to make the memory more stable when it's running at 2.7V, not 2.8... Other useful info is in my signature :)
http://proxg.com/OC/20.gif

Plz ohh plz tell me your bios setings.. atm I cant get more than 240 HTTx9.
And yes i treid 245x8= nono, cant boot!
I have 2Xadata pc4500 like u, so i know its not the ram!

proxg
12-06-2004, 01:30 AM
What exactly do you want to know about my BIOS settings ? This is on my A8V board, and you have the MSI...
By the way - it only allows me to boot at 300HTT Max. (no higher setting in BIOS) - I'm pumping it more in Windows....

EDIT: The first question that comes in my mind right now is did you lower the HTT multiplier to 4x or 3x ? (Not the cpu multiplier, but the HTT one... Its on 5x by default - HTTxHTT Multi should not exceed 1000MHz.....)

Joor
12-06-2004, 01:46 AM
What exactly do you want to know about my BIOS settings ? This is on my A8V board, and you have the MSI...
By the way - it only allows me to boot at 300HTT Max. (no higher setting in BIOS) - I'm pumping it more in Windows....

EDIT: The first question that comes in my mind right now is did you lower the HTT multiplier to 4x or 3x ? (Not the cpu multiplier, but the HTT one... Its on 5x by default - HTTxHTT Multi should not exceed 1000MHz.....)

Sorry didnt change signature, i have the a8V atm :)

saaya
12-06-2004, 09:58 PM
240ht? that sounds like your bus isnt locked...

post your full system specs :)

doctoromeo
12-07-2004, 12:16 PM
my rev 2 is stuck around the 240fsb as well
mine is winchester 3500, mem is rated @ 250fsb but board wont boot @ that.
not even with lower multipiers
and 1t timings dont seem to work with this bios 1009.02 beta got it from asus.de
when im @ 2.65 ish around 140ish on 3d programs the system switchs off.
htt tried @ 600 and it dont make any difference?
btw runs 2.6ghz @ 1.6vcore 1.7 doesnt get me any more fsb at all
is it the board or the bios .
perhaps no locks?

proxg
12-07-2004, 01:26 PM
It MUST have locks...
I'm doing 313x8 - that's 2500MHz @ 1.475 with no problems... I Haven't tried 325x8 yet, but i suppose it'll work fine... That's with the 1009.004 bios, had no problems with the 1008 at all! Just play with the bios, it gotta work ;)

saaya
12-07-2004, 08:24 PM
you have 1009.004 , he has 1009.002, maybe the locks dont work on his bios version since its an earlier beta than yours...

Joor
12-08-2004, 03:30 AM
proxg could u tell us what kind of chip u have on the A8V..i think most cap at 260 tbh...

proxg
12-08-2004, 03:01 PM
Well, it's a 3000+ as you know, week 40... I don't remember the stepping...

Trucker61
12-11-2004, 11:24 AM
Anyone having any luck getting the OCZ memory booster to work with this board? The OCZ compatibility chart states not compatible, I realize there is an OVP circuit (3.1vt?) will this work up until that point? I have a new DC kit of 2 X 512 3700 eb's that do 250 1:1 @ 2.8vdimm, tried 260 but would not work. I am currently running them @ Auto with the FSB at 260 X 10, the memory bus shows up as 217, or 6:5 ratio. (in everest)

I have gotten the CPU to run stabily @ 275 but with higher voltage, but I am not comfortable running @ 1.75 on air cooling.

Edit: Why isn't my siggy showing up here, it shows in my other posts?

donnydorko
12-11-2004, 06:20 PM
Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200

does this ram work for this ?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-305&depa=0

bottle
12-12-2004, 06:51 AM
does this board work ok with all 4 ram slots filled ? how much difference in performance in real world terms is seen between using 1t and 2t command rate ?

Trucker61
12-12-2004, 07:35 AM
With my OCZ PC3700eb's (2 X 512) there was a 1000 point increase from 2T to 1T (sandra bandwidth score)

here is a couple of links to research on:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47232
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3117082&postcount=1

bottle
12-12-2004, 11:57 AM
thanks .. there was a lot of good info there.

i have a pair of 256mb modules of mushkin black memory so am trying to decide between a 3500+ or instead get a 3000+ and another 2 sticks of 256mb

Trucker61
12-12-2004, 12:33 PM
I just switched over recently from Intel, and I remember reading somewhere that the 939 platform didnt care too much for 4 sticks of memory. I breifly had 4 X 512 sticks in mine ok, the only thing was it was limited to latency timings of the weaker set of Adata PC4000.

Enskatus
12-20-2004, 09:10 AM
Have you been able to use BH-5 sticks alright with A8V? I have, besides A8V, 3000+ winchester and 2x256mb KHX3200 BH-5. I can't run the system stable even at 200mhz on the memory. When memory speed is 200mhz, it won't even go to windows. 166mhz works fine. What could be the problem? :confused:

Cashman
12-21-2004, 04:25 AM
really glad I just found this thread, im having a few problems getting stabilty.

I have:

FX53, Ocz Platinum 3200 Rev2, 74gb Raptor, A8V Deluxe Rev2, 6800 Ultra, Antec 550w.

I was running the system with the 1009.002 bios and at 245fsb I was getting random BSOD and reboots or not rounding errors on SuperPi. (2.5-3-3-10 1T 2.8v) at 200fsb 2-2-2-5 it worked without probs. It seems from this thread that the 1009 early bios (oo2) has problems over 240htt?

I think I will try finding the 1009.004 beta bios and see if that helps. When trying 2T everything seems to be ok but I could really do without the 1000pts loss.

Also is the HTT freq best left at 800mhz, 1000mhz or 600mhz? I know on the Neo2 is HAS to be 3x (600mhz) in order to get any overclock at all.

Could anyone please post screen shots of their "memory configuration" under the Bios... many thanx :)


ps.... is there any reason to upgrade my PSU from an Antec Truepower 550w to either a PCP&C 510 Turbo Deluxe or OCZ powerstream 520w ??

j0j0
12-22-2004, 12:54 PM
How can i increase The Vdimm in bios without this Vdimm-Mod ? and where can i set Vcore in Bios?

Mrki
12-24-2004, 02:10 AM
htt max. is still 300?

Mrki
12-24-2004, 02:45 AM
have somebody a link for 1009-003 bios?

Probmaker
12-25-2004, 05:14 AM
Hi, im new to this forum and in my other forum nobody could help me.... so here's my system

A8V Wireless Edition Rev2.0
A64 3200+ Winchester
2 x 256MB Corsair Platinum Edition PC4000

my problem is that i cant go over 230MHz FSB :( this is because i cant put the vcore over 1.450 volts... it dusnt matter how much i set, i always get 1.45! how can i change this? I got the BIOS 1008.003, if I flash it, will it go higher?


greetz

Mrki
12-25-2004, 08:45 AM
bios 1009.006


http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/Asus%20A8V%20Deluxe/8x300_2.5_3_3_7_35sekpi.jpg

scragley
12-26-2004, 06:09 PM
What settings have you changed from default in the bios to achieve 300fsb? andy mods at all? I can only get around 280 to be stable, anything above that and i just get random lockups. I also know I am not cpu limited so I am pretty sure it is the mobo :) Thanks for the help.

sotr
12-27-2004, 06:16 PM
I'm having problem running even at default speeds (loose timing) at 1T. Totally unstable..blue screen and/or prime fail immediately.

Using double sided samsung tcc5's which are supposed to be DDR466 (Adata brand)

Don't have another pair of ram to test. It's ok though running single channel on a piece of D43.

Do you guys think it's the board, rams or the winnie?

Cashman
12-28-2004, 03:46 AM
am I likely to have the stability problems using a MAch II GT on this board with the 1009.006 Bios and an FX53?

Are the cold issues solely with the Winchesters?

Cashman
12-28-2004, 03:51 AM
By the way... the 1009.007 BEta's are out :) Just got mine but cant tellt he diffeence just yet

Super Nade
12-28-2004, 06:07 PM
Folks, I'm looking to expand the Case Files and the memory compatability sections in this thread at OCF:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=332591

Please send me a pm or email me at: super_nade at yahoo dot com. with the format in this post:-
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3265300&postcount=8

Any contributions will be appreciated.

Probmaker:
AFAIK No Rev 2.00 boards are wireless edition ones (Please correct me if I'm wrong).
Usually you would have to flash to the 1005.002 or 1005.003 BIOS to get the PCI/AGP locks working. No other BIOS version seems to have helped (again, I'm not too sure).
You may have to reset the CMOS to solve your voltage problems. It is surely a BIOS error. Try flashing to a 1009.xxx beta and see if that helps before you rest the CMOS, as it could save you some time.

Cashman:
Are you facing any problems with the x.007 ? Any changes in the settings?

Super Nade
12-28-2004, 06:20 PM
I'm having problem running even at default speeds (loose timing) at 1T. Totally unstable..blue screen and/or prime fail immediately.

Using double sided samsung tcc5's which are supposed to be DDR466 (Adata brand)

Don't have another pair of ram to test. It's ok though running single channel on a piece of D43.

Do you guys think it's the board, rams or the winnie?

ADATA 4400's have problems with this MoBo. A few guys @ OCF have complained about this. Same symptoms. Somebody was talking about spurious ADATA modules @ OCF (mainly about the PCB's used) but this was in the context of a shady reseller.

Test your MoBo with some other RAM. Also, are you @ 2.8V VDimm?

Super Nade
12-28-2004, 06:23 PM
does this board work ok with all 4 ram slots filled ? how much difference in performance in real world terms is seen between using 1t and 2t command rate ?

You may find this interesting:-
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=352040

sotr
12-28-2004, 06:55 PM
ADATA 4400's have problems with this MoBo. A few guys @ OCF have complained about this. Same symptoms. Somebody was talking about spurious ADATA modules @ OCF (mainly about the PCB's used) but this was in the context of a shady reseller.

Test your MoBo with some other RAM. Also, are you @ 2.8V VDimm?

I've actually RMA'ed (swap) my rams before this with a new pair from Adata taiwan themselves. Both has the same result. So I suppose this is a case of components not liking each other.

Also tried all the vdimm settings but no luck as well.

On bios 1008.3 now...maybe I'll give the 1009.7 a try.

Any suggestions? Should I rid the rams or the board?

Edit: I'm using these but as opposed to the crappy pic. The chips on these are revision E Samsung TCC5 that nobody seems to be using
http://www.adata.com.tw/en/products-d-un-ddr466.htm#

Super Nade
12-28-2004, 08:42 PM
I'd get rid of the RAM.

I'm not saying ADATA is a flaky company, but sadly in this case there seems to be an incompatability. I must say that 2 or 3 people reporting problems isn't a definitive cause for panic (more data is required) it does mean that you guys were stuck with a problematic batch.

This is the thread I was referring to:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=347893

Read the posts by Joor. We tried different things (communicated by pm) but nothing worked.

Hope this helps!

S.N

sotr
12-28-2004, 09:09 PM
Thanks for the help..

For reference sake.. these rams are Adata DDR466 with Samsung K4H560838E-TCC5 chips.

Edit: Any suggestions for budget rams? Would Kingston D43's do for a moderate 240htt? It's in Asus's recommended list?

funkymonkey
12-29-2004, 02:35 AM
is there any way you can get rev 1.02 to work with winchester and still have pci lock?
I know clawhammer can be used with 1005.002 with PCI lock.
But what about winchesters?

choseone214
12-29-2004, 02:38 AM
Any solutions for winchester users?
I am about to drop this on the road below my apartment.

msi neo2 or one of the new nf4 boards that are showing up.

funkymonkey
12-29-2004, 02:51 AM
well i would rather buy one more new rev 2.0 A8v than go for MSI K8N neo2( I have 2 A8V dlx for my 2 A64 systems. 1 is 1.02 and other is 2.0).
I have gone through MSI board with headache and its a lot more expensive in India than a8v dlx.
I was asking about solution for A8V deluxe rev1.02

Super Nade
12-29-2004, 07:56 AM
funkymonkey:
Clawhammers and Newcastles work with the 1005.002 BIOS.
I don't think there is a solution to your problem. Again, you may have to run through all the BIOSes >1007.xx (betas included) to see what works. AFAIK none of the final versions work. You may get lucky with a beta. I'm curious to know what ASUS Tech support say abt this?

sotr:
I would recommend any ram with TCCD chips i.e the PQi Turbo or Corsair XMS series.
Also, GSkill 4400 guarentee 275MHz. You may also want to check this place out:-
http://www.komusa.com/ddr.html

Finally,
BH-5 would be pretty useless IMHO because you cant feed it the Volts it needs to really shine.

Good Luck!

S.N

Super Nade
12-29-2004, 07:58 AM
msi neo2 or one of the new nf4 boards that are showing up.

If you are willing to wait for a few months, go with DFI. It is worth the wait and you won't regret it :)

OneyedK
12-30-2004, 01:43 AM
Hi Folks, a few days ago, I stepped from Intel PIV2.8E (3.8GHz) to this AMD64 (winchester 3200+ A8V deluxe setup).

I scratched my head, flashed the bios to 1009.006 (after reading all these very useful posts) and got this baby running 2750Mhz with a nice 32seconds SuperPI result (I needed 3800Mhz on the Intel to achieve 35s).

Temp readings seem rather low...
Case is Lian-Li, intake: 120mm titan@5V (sidepanel) and papst 80mm@12V (1500rpm). Outtake: 120mm titan @5V (top) and papst 80mm@12V (1500rpm).
PSU is OCZ Powerstream 520W
Watercooling consists of (external from case), reservoir 5liters, Eheim 1250, X2 radiator with 2x Enermax120mm (lowest speed) and Zalman ZM-WB2.
The only mod I did to the mobo is placing an old Zalman Northbridge cooler on the northbridge.

The screenshot is taken with f@h running at 100% for three days (24/7)...
I just started superPI with process-priority to realtime... (did not close f@h)
No stability issues (played FarCry, Doom3 and UT2004 for several hours)...

Strange thing is, room temperature 20.5°C, air from outtakes is absolutely cold, watertemp also... I went to the shop to buy a few temp-probes from CompuNurse to make sure the temp-readings are correct...

(gpu is FX5700 atm, 9800XT rma :s)

I'm using OCZ lld ed. PC3200 2-2-2-5 @ stockspeed atm, asynchronous with cpu... Will try some OCZ PC4000 EL Dual CH Gold ltd's 2.5-4-4-8 when I find some time too check if I gain some performance by running them synchronous with this cpu.

If anyone has more tips and tricks to get optimum performance, please post them... (I know, I should try to go higher, but right now, I need the rig, so I cannot push it and work at the same time :-()

http://users.pandora.be/kastaar/HO/275x10_async_3_2_HTTx4_32s.JPG

OneyedK
12-30-2004, 02:08 PM
Damned OCZ PC 4400 EL Dual CH Gold Limited edition 2.5-4-4-8 doesn't go over 250Mhz 1:1 ...

Still using bios 1009.006 ...

Get strange spd readings too (cpu-z): 2.5-6-6-11, 277Mhz

I tried these mothers on an Neo2 in august, they ran 295 and they did 270 on my Intel rig :-( -->2.8Volts

Sollution anyone???

Joor
12-30-2004, 02:17 PM
temps look ok.. here is mine http://web50.dk/joor/39grader.JPG
39 right after i did superPI

sotr
12-30-2004, 06:20 PM
Anybody tested their stock PI 1MB results with 3000+ winnie, A8V, dual channel running default everything (as in stock clock, loose timing and 2T)

I need some reference to troubleshoot. Thanks.

ps: I'm getting an OMFG 48sec with 3-4-4-8 2T :cry:

OneyedK
12-31-2004, 12:52 AM
@Joor: thanks for posting your results, I verified my temps and in reality they are 2 or 3° higher than what the asusprobe reports, so I can live with that ;-)
? Can you tell me the biosversion you are using ?

@sotr: 48 seconds for those lousy timing is pretty normal on a winnie 3000+
You should gain at least 1 second by changing from 2T to 1T (set the 2T thingy in bios to "disabled") and gain maybe another second when changing to the latest bios (changing from 1008.002 to 1009.006 sure helped me)...
When I booted the winnie 3200+ for the first time I got a 44second superPI score, so no worries, this baby will live up to you expectations.

:confused: Anyone knows about the differences between 1009.006 beta and 1009.007 beta :confused:

Joor
12-31-2004, 02:46 AM
Im using 1009.004 atm
The 1009 final is out btw: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket939/a8v-deluxe/A8V1009.zip

OneyedK
12-31-2004, 02:50 AM
Sweet! Thx man!
Funny thing is, I checked the site one hour ago and it still said 1009.007 beta until then :D

OneyedK
12-31-2004, 03:14 AM
Humz... just flashed to 1009 final...
Nothing seems to have changed :(

Well yes, there is a change, bios vcore reading is as wrong as in 1008.003...
Was correct in 1009.006... strange...

Will do more testing next year...

cubanyayo
01-07-2005, 06:46 PM
tell me if i'm right i was using 1008 bios on the a8v with my fx-53 939 pin was clocking to 2.9 ghz with 200 fbs and 14.5 multiplier and i noticed that my system woudl crash when i leave it on i had a vapo also . at -48c . is this random lockup's due to condensation in the pins becaue i have not put any dilectric greese on the pins. i was wondering is this beacuse of agp locks or the vapo condecation. and for some reason i cant seem to boot up at 3.0 ghz i think its agp lock i sent my board back to asus for repair on the memory controller i messed up recently. will they give me rev2.0 board or will they give me the same 1.02 board ? :stick: :confused:

Cashman
01-09-2005, 03:11 AM
tell me if i'm right i was using 1008 bios on the a8v with my fx-53 939 pin was clocking to 2.9 ghz with 200 fbs and 14.5 multiplier and i noticed that my system woudl crash when i leave it on i had a vapo also . at -48c . is this random lockup's due to condensation in the pins becaue i have not put any dilectric greese on the pins. i was wondering is this beacuse of agp locks or the vapo condecation. and for some reason i cant seem to boot up at 3.0 ghz i think its agp lock i sent my board back to asus for repair on the memory controller i messed up recently. will they give me rev2.0 board or will they give me the same 1.02 board ? :stick: :confused:


Mate... I have this same board, FX53 and a Mach II GT (instead of your Vapo).

The problem is because you are using the 1008 Bios. This BIOS only has a max vCore of 1.75v and to get 2.9ghz or 3ghz you will need 1.8v to 1.85v. This is what I need! if you go get BIOS 1006 final (1005.027) then you have a max vCore of 1.8v and will clock higher :)

All bios revisions are here mate... ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket939/a8v-deluxe/

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-16-2005, 04:47 PM
http://users.pandora.be/kastaar/HO/275x10_async_3_2_HTTx4_32s.JPG

Hey Im hoping you can help me. I have an A8V Deluxe Rev2. I have tried alot of diffrent things trying to pass 2.2ghz stable. Let me start off with my specs. Sorry about the long post ...........


--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003, 2004 Lavalys, Inc.

Version EVEREST v1.51.195
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/


Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2005-01-16
Time 20:50
CPU Properties:
CPU Type AMD Athlon 64 3200+
CPU Alias Winchester S939
CPU Stepping DH7-D0
CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
CPUID Revision 00010FF0h
CPU Speed:
CPU Clock 2002.43 MHz
CPU Multiplier 10.0x
CPU FSB 200.24 MHz (original: 200 MHz)
Memory Bus 200.24 MHz
CPU Cache:
L1 Code Cache 64 KB (Parity)
L1 Data Cache 64 KB (ECC)
L2 Cache 512 KB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)
Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 63-0907-000001-00101111-122204-ATHLON64$A0036001_BIOS Date: 12/22/04 19:53:52 Ver: 08.
Motherboard Name Asus A8V Deluxe (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset VIA K8T800Pro, AMD Hammer
Memory Timings 2-2-2-5 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Command Rate (CR) 1T
SPD Memory Modules:
DIMM1: Corsair CMX512-3200XL 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-2-2-5 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Corsair CMX512-3200XL 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-2-2-5 @ 200 MHz)
BIOS Properties:
System BIOS Date 12/22/04
Video BIOS Date 06/07/04
DMI BIOS Version 1009.007
Graphics Processor Properties:
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Video Adapter nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
GPU Code Name NV40GT (AGP 8x 10DE / 0045, Rev A1)
GPU Clock 399 MHz
Memory Clock 552 MHz
Sensor Properties:
Tsystem 24 °C (75 °F)
Tcpu 29 °C (84 °F)
Fcpu 2033 RPM
Fcase 3444 RPM
Fpowersupply 3709 RPM
Vcore 1.46 V
Vio 3.41 V



Now, I have tried turning off fast writes, upping the vcore and ram voltage. As well as loosening the timins. I achieved 2.2 stable windows boot at 2-2-2-5. I passed 3dmark 10times. However playing my game RTCW, wolfenstein, I get alot of crashes. I had some of the same crashes in Half Life2. Where its either a blue screen with a memory error or just the screen freezes and the sound freezes as well. A long beep most of the time. Coming off a long Intel fanboy tour of duty, i find Overclocking this platform very confusing. I was hoping that one of you Using an A8V+3200 939 + 1GB of Corsair XMS LL 2-2-2-5 rated memory could give me some settings to achieve a solid OC as well not have to use timings that are tooo loose. Im seeying many ppl achieve crazy OCs with this board on air and with my memory. Please help. Im an enthusiast, but I cant seem to grasp the whole, ratio and timings this platform. Thanks in advance!
:confused:

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-16-2005, 04:52 PM
Oh yeah at stock I run %100 stable. No problems whatsoever. On my OC Prime 95 stops at like 15mins. Same crashes happen at 3-4-4-6, 1T and fast writes off. Memory 2:1.

This is my post on other forum. If it helps.
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86977

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-17-2005, 03:45 AM
Is the gentleman above getting above 2.6 hitting that because his multiplier is 196 X 14? Is that the magical equation. Lower the memory speed and use a higher multiplier? If so please let me know if I should use same timings and ratio as above.

OneyedK
01-18-2005, 09:44 AM
I'm sorry, I wasn't reading about AMD anymore since I sold the winnie...
I happen to be a HT-addict and needed an Intel rig again ;-)
i560 on the way :banana:

Problem with the A8V deluxe (even rev.2) is the poor 1:1 performance... (with bios 1009)
So that's the reason why I needed to use that strange divider...
Other people here seemed to reach higher 1:1 frequencies with bios 1008, so you might try that...
By the way, you upped the vcore, I guess?!
All the info you need should be in the screenshot ;-)
Nothing fancy about it... running 1T...

soki
01-18-2005, 09:55 PM
Hey Im hoping you can help me. I have an A8V Deluxe Rev2. I have tried alot of diffrent things trying to pass 2.2ghz stable. Let me start off with my specs. Sorry about the long post ...........



Now, I have tried turning off fast writes, upping the vcore and ram voltage. As well as loosening the timins. I achieved 2.2 stable windows boot at 2-2-2-5. I passed 3dmark 10times. However playing my game RTCW, wolfenstein, I get alot of crashes. I had some of the same crashes in Half Life2. Where its either a blue screen with a memory error or just the screen freezes and the sound freezes as well. A long beep most of the time. Coming off a long Intel fanboy tour of duty, i find Overclocking this platform very confusing. I was hoping that one of you Using an A8V+3200 939 + 1GB of Corsair XMS LL 2-2-2-5 rated memory could give me some settings to achieve a solid OC as well not have to use timings that are tooo loose. Im seeying many ppl achieve crazy OCs with this board on air and with my memory. Please help. Im an enthusiast, but I cant seem to grasp the whole, ratio and timings this platform. Thanks in advance!
:confused:


The problems in games is because of the via agp driver. You must install that one provided my microsoft in service pack 2. Look this how to do it : http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=62007&highlight_key=y&keyword1=agp%20AND%20driver

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-19-2005, 03:12 AM
The problems in games is because of the via agp driver. You must install that one provided my microsoft in service pack 2. Look this how to do it : http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=62007&highlight_key=y&keyword1=agp%20AND%20driver


But the thing is Im getting these crashes with my overclocks. Not on standard settings. I hate this memory. I see people all over the place hitting atleast 2.2 and exactly my specs. I loosen the timings a bit and nothing, same crashes in game. I think this memory is only able to do 2.2.2.5 on standard settings. It does achieve what it promises. But on this platform it seems you have to tweak the hell out of all the settings to walk away with nice OC. On intel, you just get high rated ram, UP the bus and loosen the timings and Bam, super OCs. I ran my old prescott 2.8 to 3.7 on air using Kingston HyperX PC4000 @ 3-4-4-6. Im having NO luck with this board. Dont get me wrong, by no means is this a crappy computer. This baby is fast, I just want to push its envelope and squeeze the goodies out of it. You know? :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

Lola
01-19-2005, 07:26 AM
First, to use a higher memory bus, drop the HTT in Bios to 4 instead of 5.
Second, drop the menory timings to 2.5 3 3 10 1T (by disabling 2T command)
third putmemclock on Limit 2:1 400 instead of auto
Raise memory voltage to 2.7 instead of auto (2.8 volts do not work on some memory combination?)
Raise cpu voltage to 2.5 to start. You can go up to 2.60 if needed later on.
first try at 220FSB and 10 multiplier.
You slould be able to boot at these settings.
By using CPUZ and clockgen program, check if the memory is working at 220FSB divider 10 with CPUZ.
Use clock gen to up the FSB slowly to find the limit. You should be able to go much higher.Use SuperPi to check stability at each step.
You can also change the multiplier in Windows with clockgen.
Monitor your cpu temperature, stay below 55C.
Have fun.
Once you find your max, change the settings in BIOS to the required freq.

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-19-2005, 08:07 AM
First, to use a higher memory bus, drop the HTT in Bios to 4 instead of 5.
Second, drop the menory timings to 2.5 3 3 10 1T (by disabling 2T command)
third putmemclock on Limit 2:1 400 instead of auto
Raise memory voltage to 2.7 instead of auto (2.8 volts do not work on some memory combination?)
Raise cpu voltage to 2.5 to start. You can go up to 2.60 if needed later on.
first try at 220FSB and 10 multiplier.
You slould be able to boot at these settings.
By using CPUZ and clockgen program, check if the memory is working at 220FSB divider 10 with CPUZ.
Use clock gen to up the FSB slowly to find the limit. You should be able to go much higher.Use SuperPi to check stability at each step.
You can also change the multiplier in Windows with clockgen.
Monitor your cpu temperature, stay below 55C.
Have fun.
Once you find your max, change the settings in BIOS to the required freq.



Sweet. Finally I understand. You my friend are a genious. I want to have your babies. I have read a million post everywhere but they were from ppl that have a better grasp of this platform. Thanks for the help
:toast: :banana: :banana: :banana4:

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-20-2005, 07:17 AM
My memory topped out at 225mhz 2.5-3-3-6 (i tried 10) I wont go a drop over 225. I did pass SuperPI 32M, and 3dmark looped. Now, that I have found this out, Would i be able to push this any further with better memory. Also, How much does lowering the HTT to 800 effect the performance. If i do my math right...... now that Ive lowered it to 800, my memory running at 225 X 4 would give me a 900mhz bus. Is that right? My everest benchmarks are way up after i lowered the HTT and did my overclock. Please explain if i am taking a hit on performance by doing so. I couldnt get my CorsairXMS stable with HTT1000 and the memory running anything past 205mhz.

scorp
01-21-2005, 02:22 AM
new BIOS out : ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket939/a8v-deluxe/1010-002.zip

Can't wait to get home and try it :D

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-22-2005, 02:09 PM
By the way I give up on this motherFunken board and platform. From the get go its been nothing but a pain. I had to try 4 motherboards in order to get my baby to boot. All that after i had to do weird shat to get it to boot. I cannot get this board stable past 2.2ghz. That blows. Sure I settled on this only because this was the only one to post with my 3200+ 939 proc. But still. I pass ALL benches and it crashes on crappy ET. Im going back to Intel. I never had a Proc not boot, I could easily push the bus to OC, and I never had to worry about getting the voltage, timings, ddram voltage, fast writes, and all this other crap in sequence just to get stable. F that. Sorry Ive ranted, I know that alot of you have had good experiences but Im fed up. Peace. :p:

enzoR
01-22-2005, 02:12 PM
u sure its the mobo? 5 boards is alot...

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-22-2005, 02:20 PM
u sure its the mobo? 5 boards is alot...

I think this was the only board with a recent bios at the time that could boot. USing the place the dimm in the third slot trick and than using afudos. None of the other boards even booted. Nothing. No post. I will admit, that this is a fast platform, But when you want to push it,,,,,.... just even a tad. I cant get it to go anywhere. I checked all my voltages etc and have used all the tweaks possible. I even took out this ram, took out the hyperX 4000 from my prescott 2.8 build out. The hyperX (higher speed rated memory) still gets crashes even though passing all test, with the timings of 3-4-4-8. I took the Corsair 2-2-2-5 Rated Memory and it ran my 2.8 to 3.4 with no problems at 3-3-3-6 without having to do anything. It passed all benchies and played my game without any crashes. I even have a cheaper thermaltake 420psu in there. I just dont get it.

Obi-wan Kenobi
01-22-2005, 03:50 PM
Plus on stock i can play every single game in my collection and no crashes. I up the memory 5mhz and crash. I het this. Bye.

HighLife
01-23-2005, 11:18 AM
I just got a v2.0 A8V and a 044 3000+ winnie. New machine i built to replace my barton 2500 @ 218x10. I went with a VIA chipset instead of a Nforce to give VIA a chance again. I havent had a VIA board in AGES.

Whats the deal with the AGP drivers in the 4 in 1? I have installed the 4.51 drivers and find them to run pretty good. If i dont run with them , i get a tad less performance in benches.

So far im prime stable at 238x9 @1.5v my ram is running 8-3-3-2.5 @ 2.7v. Im running Sync with FSB....HT is 1000 (x5). I do have a few strange questions though.

In regards to HT@1000 vs 800, is there anything to be lost of gained from either?

*EDIT* I got the USBs working...for some STUPID reason...my Coolermaster case has the 1394 connector in BLUE....yes the same BLUE that the USB headers on my board has. I had them plugged in backwards. I guess i didnt cause any damage to the board, it seems to be working now. Even though doing it, says it will damage the mother board in the manual.


I cant remeber stepping of my chip, but it seems to me that i might be able to run higher then this. I have got into windows at 245 x 9 but get all sorts of weird BSOD shortly after.

Specs listed below are correct for new machine

OneyedK
01-24-2005, 12:42 AM
HT 800 with an fsb of 250Mhz equals HT 1000 with an fsb of 200Mhz...
So on the HT-side, there is no difference in performance between the two...

When overclocking, x4 (HT800) is the setting to go for.
People with very good memory who are able to do more than 275fsb will have to swich to x3 (HT600)...

On most boards, 1100Mhz on the HT side is no problem (HT800, x4, 275Mhz fsb). Some will reach even 1200, but I couldn't keep the A8V stable at 1200...
--> 245*5 = 1225Mhz (that's what you tried) seems to be too high for your board (causing those bsod's)
--> switch back to HT 800, up the fsb to 250Mhz and feed the vCore 1.55Volt
Ah yes, the TCCD-chippies will be happy with 2.8V, 2.5-3-3-7 should work fine until 260-280Mhz, depending on the quality...

Last thing, don't forget to set the AGP/PCI fequency fixed to 66.66/33.33...

scorp
01-24-2005, 02:04 AM
OneyedK : How did you manage to get to 1200 HT ? Because I have noticed that if I leave HT 5x (1000) and I pass a certain fsb (~210-220 MHz I think) it will auto-drop to 4x (it will not show in the BIOS, but if you check CBID or any other utility that shows you the HT freq. you'll notice that you are running at 4x HT).

HighLife : Have you tried a little more vcore ? The A8V undervolts by ~0.05V and the vcore is not that stable as well. So your 1.5v will in fact give you some 1.40v-1.45v, depending on the quality of your PSU. As a general advice you should lower your HT to always keep it under 1000 MHz (but somehow my board seems to lower it automatically from 5x to 4x ... not sure if any board does that).

OneyedK
01-24-2005, 12:21 PM
HT speed was set to 800 in bios...
so actually that's x4
so with 300Mhz fsb you get an actual 1200Mhz HT
--> wich I could not get stable :(
--> 1100Mhz or 275Mhz fsb was no problem at all...
the autodrop from x5 --> x4 works, but it stays there afterwards, so if you get to high in fsb x 4, the thing simply crashes or gets unstable...

HighLife
01-24-2005, 10:03 PM
I set it to 1000 and bench/prime.....ran fine at 240x9 1.55v in bios (speedfan and asus show 1.55-1.6). 7 3 3 2.5 timings.

I turned it down to 800 and rebooted, set to 245 and it wasnt stable =(

Im using pretty good ram...TCCD seems to have high rating for overclocking. Im using PQI PC3200 Turbo 2x512.

I think im limited to my chip....oh well.....369mhz overlock isnt bad for a chip that cost me 100$ used. =)

OneyedK
01-24-2005, 11:48 PM
Still running 1:1, are you???
A8V maxes out at that speed... (around 240Mhz)

You will get better results if you run is asynchronous with your ram at 2-2-2-5...

Dynasty
01-25-2005, 12:21 AM
I just installed my A8V back in,till I get my DFI NF4 sli board.
I got the A8V upto 280 x 10, 1:1 on my ram. :cool:

OneyedK
01-25-2005, 12:38 AM
:eek: No :banana::banana::banana::banana:! That's awesome! Guess you achieved that with bios 1008???
--> memory was not the problem (did 275 2.5-3-37 on P4C800 E deluxe)
Was actually OCZ PC3200 plat.rev.2 tccd
--> cpu did 280 async
My conclusion was that it only could be the board/bios...

But someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse and I sold the whole rig before I could test some more... Exploring lga-limits atm :banana4:

Dynasty
01-25-2005, 09:11 AM
Yep, I am currently using bios 1008.
My A8V seems solid now that I did the droop & vddr mods to it.

faior
01-25-2005, 11:29 PM
how much have u managed to get HTT ?

346HTT (http://www.miumau.net/~faior/HTT.jpg)
this is mine ;)

btw, this is a great mobo, i just have problems with Twinmos 2x256MB and A-Data 512MB memory.. they wont work(doesnt boot :( ) together, i think its because the A-Data is double sided and twinmos single sided.. have to change those to get 1GB ..

ps. 512MB of memory sucks!

pss. greetings from finland =) (new on this board..)

OneyedK
01-26-2005, 12:00 AM
Never got over 300, it's at 275 I got the highest corespeed...
Pushing HTT left me with lower corespeed and worse performance...

m@d-m@x
01-27-2005, 01:54 PM
I got my A8V system a month ago along with my winchester 3200+.
Im using bios ver. 1009 final.
Also i have a pair of Corsair twinX XMS4000pro 1Gb dualkit.
I cant however get them to run 1:1 (or in the bios 2:1). It just goes black. not even bios screen. And thats at 250MHz FSB.
I can however get my FSB up to 260 (more would be great but nooooo :-(..) and then set my ram to auto. Then they run at 216MHz. the system runs fine at this point.
But im disapointed that i cant run my RAM at 1:1 and with my watercooled rig i cant get the FSB over 260MHZ either...
Anyone got any ideas??

OneyedK
01-27-2005, 10:00 PM
It's the bios... Flash it back to 1008 and get some nice 1:1 performance back...

m@d-m@x
01-27-2005, 10:55 PM
Well i couldnt go 1:1 before 1009 so i dont think that will help. But i'll give it a shot.
But another thing just came up. Suddenly after i got my geforce 6800 i cant get the the FSB any higher than 250MHz :confused:
The system crashes randomly at 260MHz and some of my programs actually died and needed to be reinstalled.

HighLife
01-27-2005, 10:59 PM
has anyone tried 1010.02?

I was wondering something myself. Its not a .AMI file....so basically do i have the change the extention to read av1010.ami ?

scorp
01-27-2005, 11:08 PM
1010.003 is already out ... I've tried 1010.002, but didn't noticed any dfferences .. the same goes for 1010.003

EDIT : ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_939/VIA_Chipset/K8T800Pro/A8V_Deluxe/1010__03.zip

HighLife
01-28-2005, 11:24 AM
thanks, do i have to rename this to .ami before i flash it?

thebluesgnr
01-29-2005, 03:41 AM
Well i couldnt go 1:1 before 1009 so i dont think that will help. But i'll give it a shot.
But another thing just came up. Suddenly after i got my geforce 6800 i cant get the the FSB any higher than 250MHz :confused:
The system crashes randomly at 260MHz and some of my programs actually died and needed to be reinstalled.

I would suspect your PSU is a little too weak for the new video card. Also, did you do a fresh install of the OS?

scorp
01-30-2005, 11:16 AM
Nope, you don't have too :D ... just write it. I usually use the Asus Update from Windows. Just select "Update BIOS from a file" and select the BIOS you want to write.

It is recommanded to leave the "Clear CMOS" checkbox on :D ... After a flash to 1010.002 from 1009 final, my 1.50vcore jumped to 1.70vcore, while in BIOS I still had the same 1.50V slected. After selecting another value (1.525v), rebooting and selecting again 1.500v, the vcore "problem" was solved.

HighLife
01-30-2005, 11:21 AM
Nope, you don't have too :D ... just write it. I usually use the Asus Update from Windows. Just select "Update BIOS from a file" and select the BIOS you want to write.

It is recommanded to leave the "Clear CMOS" checkbox on :D ... After a flash to 1010.002 from 1009 final, my 1.50vcore jumped to 1.70vcore, while in BIOS I still had the same 1.50V slected. After selecting another value (1.525v), rebooting and selecting again 1.500v, the vcore "problem" was solved.

kewl thanks, i never knew you could pick the file to update with the ASUS updater. I thought it always had to pull it off the web. Kewlness....i dunno if i should do this or not....i mean, 1009 working fine i guess....and you say there is no difference between them...so maybe just wait and see. Im getting a MSI Neo2 to play with tomorrow. I wanted to test out both VIA and Nforce for a fair comparison of each.

HighLife
01-31-2005, 02:03 PM
Is everyone hear using the Promise controller? Anyone using the Via controller and have a FSB above 240?

Update- I sucessfully moved to the Promise controller from the via. Also all of the walk throughs dont tell you to use the drivers mark IDE instead of the RAID drivers in the Promise folder on the disc. I downloaded the RAID driver off Asus's site and it DOES NOT include these drivers. I did notice that with Sandra File System benchmark, that i dropped 3 megs. I scored a 47mb with VIA controller and 44 with the promise, could this prove that the VIA isnt locked?

HighLife
02-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Is everyone hear using the Promise controller? Anyone using the Via controller and have a FSB above 240?

Update- I sucessfully moved to the Promise controller from the via. Also all of the walk throughs dont tell you to use the drivers mark IDE instead of the RAID drivers in the Promise folder on the disc. I downloaded the RAID driver off Asus's site and it DOES NOT include these drivers. I did notice that with Sandra File System benchmark, that i dropped 3 megs. I scored a 47mb with VIA controller and 44 with the promise, could this prove that the VIA isnt locked?


Well it didnt help my overclock at all. I still only able to hit 240, must be my chip. I know this ram will do 260. Oh well, will have my NEO2 here to test on friday...

and btw for those who dont know....

RAZER DIAMONDBACK IS THE BEST EVER!

scorp
02-01-2005, 09:22 PM
Is everyone hear using the Promise controller? Anyone using the Via controller and have a FSB above 240?

Update- I sucessfully moved to the Promise controller from the via. Also all of the walk throughs dont tell you to use the drivers mark IDE instead of the RAID drivers in the Promise folder on the disc. I downloaded the RAID driver off Asus's site and it DOES NOT include these drivers. I did notice that with Sandra File System benchmark, that i dropped 3 megs. I scored a 47mb with VIA controller and 44 with the promise, could this prove that the VIA isnt locked?

Running 250 FSB 24/7 with SATA on VIA. And I had absolutely no problems.

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-02-2005, 06:35 PM
Ok back from the dead boys. I sold my 3200XL 1GB Corsair kit and traded it in for PDP Patriot 3200+XBL and that did the trick. I new it had to be the memory because I went on a ton of diffrent forums and performed every trick that was advised to me. The revision on that corsair memory was 1.1. I dont know if that matters. I think that both versions are based on the TCCD chips. I wonder how come they couldnt run stable on any OCs on my baby. Im now happily pushing 2.3ghz at 2-3-3-6 1T 2.7volts, 5.25 core. HTT 800. I passed Prime95 torture test as well I now can play all meh games. This puppy is blazing fast. Im sure I could push it much further, but this is good for now. I dont see another 100-200mhz giving much of a gain in my games. I have my 6800GT OCed to ultra speeds, and I havent had any slow down in games yet. Ok end of my crappy rant. Im glad I didnt give up on this board, and give it a bad name. It is solid. Peace out.



PS
Thanks for all the help.


Hey what does the HTT effect? I ran benches on 1000HTT and 800HTT and I dont see any diffrence. What does it do as far as performance goes. On intel I notice going fron 533mhz bus to 800mhz bus was huge(least I noticed)

scorp
02-03-2005, 11:55 PM
The HTT has a very minimal impact on performance. Basically the HT bus is used only to communicate with the PCI cards or with the AGP card, as the memory controller is placed on the CPU.

On Intel platforms however the bus is used for transfers with the memory. So an increase in FSB, will also give you more available bandwidth for memory transfers and the P4 is a very bandwidth-hungry architecture.

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-04-2005, 03:31 AM
The HTT has a very minimal impact on performance. Basically the HT bus is used only to communicate with the PCI cards or with the AGP card, as the memory controller is placed on the CPU.

On Intel platforms however the bus is used for transfers with the memory. So an increase in FSB, will also give you more available bandwidth for memory transfers and the P4 is a very bandwidth-hungry architecture.


Dam youre good. Thanks! Hey Scorp, How much higher do you think I could push this baby on air?

scorp
02-05-2005, 03:03 AM
Not sure. It depends on luck. I have a very bad winnie. And I still reached 2300 @ 1.550v (keep in mind that A8V undervlots and the voltages have a tendancy to "jump" around as well ... I usually have ~1.520v, but on ocasions it drops to 1.502v or jumps to 1.550v). As a general rule I try to keep my CPU temperature (in full-load ... I get that by running 4 x BURNK7 at the same time) under 50C. And keep the HTT under 1000 MHz. If you go beyond 260 MHz it would be wise to chose 600MHz for the HT multiplier.

You will most likely have to set higher timings for your RAM in order to go 1:1.

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-07-2005, 03:53 AM
Not sure. It depends on luck. I have a very bad winnie. And I still reached 2300 @ 1.550v (keep in mind that A8V undervlots and the voltages have a tendancy to "jump" around as well ... I usually have ~1.520v, but on ocasions it drops to 1.502v or jumps to 1.550v). As a general rule I try to keep my CPU temperature (in full-load ... I get that by running 4 x BURNK7 at the same time) under 50C. And keep the HTT under 1000 MHz. If you go beyond 260 MHz it would be wise to chose 600MHz for the HT multiplier.

You will most likely have to set higher timings for your RAM in order to go 1:1.


Ok I cant get past 2.3ghz -----> 2.8V memory/1.55 vcore/2.5-3-3-7 1T(memory rated to do 1T up to 533mhz) Disabled AGP fast writes/HTT 800
Have my memory set to 2:1 DDR 400. Any ideas guys/gals

What can I do now to go higher :stick:

scorp
02-07-2005, 04:07 AM
You might have a very bad Winnie as I do. Disabling AGP Fast Writes doesn't seem to do anything for my OC. With or without it the results are about the same for me.

Your PDP is TCCD baset, so you should try setting the voltage to only 2.7v and maybe try a higher TRAS (8 instead of 7). Also I have red about people who had problems with this memory on the A8V. Maybe try HTT600 as well.

And I don't really know how you got to 2.3 GHz (what multi were you using ? 9.0 ?).

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-07-2005, 01:06 PM
You might have a very bad Winnie as I do. Disabling AGP Fast Writes doesn't seem to do anything for my OC. With or without it the results are about the same for me.

Your PDP is TCCD baset, so you should try setting the voltage to only 2.7v and maybe try a higher TRAS (8 instead of 7). Also I have red about people who had problems with this memory on the A8V. Maybe try HTT600 as well.

And I don't really know how you got to 2.3 GHz (what multi were you using ? 9.0 ?).


I am at 10 X 230. Super solid. Once I raise the memory with ClockGen it wont pass Prime95 past 230.

scorp
02-07-2005, 10:15 PM
You could try to go with 9.0 multiplier. And to eliminate the memory issue set the 3:2 divider. That way you'll get 200 MHz for the memory only when you'll reach 2400 MHz with the CPU. See if this way you can push the CPU further. If not ... than you probably hit the limit of the CPU.

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-13-2005, 05:38 PM
I made it to 2.37 GHZ with these settings. This memory must have a grace period before the loosen up or something. I say this because I tried the same settings when I first bought them and couldnt go over 2.3.


10 X 237
DDR 400 setting (2:1 in A8V bios)
800HTT
2.7Volts
AGP fast writes on
1.525 VCORE

Passed 24hour Prime95 stress test.
Everest Read 6900 Write 2800 Latency just below 40NS.


I dont think I can get it any higher. Using a lower multiplier I dont think i would be able to push it past 2.4 because this memory is only rated to do 533mhz(PC4200) so......................... 266 X 9 = 2394

scorp
02-14-2005, 01:27 AM
Ratings are done to be broken :D ... afterall the OCZ Platinum Rev.2 with TCCD chips is rated at only PC3200 ... and there are people who run it at ~280-290 :D .. so you'll never know unless you try. If it will be able to work 1:1 with a high FSB than you'll gain more performance from the same CPU frequency.

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-16-2005, 03:51 PM
Ratings are done to be broken :D ... afterall the OCZ Platinum Rev.2 with TCCD chips is rated at only PC3200 ... and there are people who run it at ~280-290 :D .. so you'll never know unless you try. If it will be able to work 1:1 with a high FSB than you'll gain more performance from the same CPU frequency.

I tried that, and meh memory wont go over 268. Oh well. I do think my processor is topped off thought. As fast as the price has dropped on these bad boys, Ill pop in a 3800+ in a few months and see how high i can go. WOooooT. Im sure my memory will enable meh to reach for the stars. On my old 2.8 prescott system, my max stable OC with some HyperX was 3.4ghz. With this PDP Patriot memory I was able to puch it to 3.6ghz on AIR(thermalright HS and Large fan) WOW! I cant say enought about this memory. It rocks, and so do these processors.
:toast:

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-19-2005, 03:52 AM
Ratings are done to be broken :D ... afterall the OCZ Platinum Rev.2 with TCCD chips is rated at only PC3200 ... and there are people who run it at ~280-290 :D .. so you'll never know unless you try. If it will be able to work 1:1 with a high FSB than you'll gain more performance from the same CPU frequency.


Scorp, what if its just this motherboard? I see alot of ppl going way much higher on a MSI NEO2 PLAT. What do you think?
:slobber: :slobber: :stick: :slobber: :slobber:

Pelias
02-19-2005, 10:18 AM
I have a problem - when I run games, mouse keybord/music playback slows down to unbearable levels(on old drivers), or just produces tons artifacts(on newest, hacked ones) or tons of BSODs. Prime95 and memtest are totally stable, I excluded faulty drivers (been reformating with different combinations for over a week). I also tried three different graphic cards, all have similiar problems, but only on my board (same drivers works perfectly on other computers). that would rule off faulty graphic card, Tested both 1009 Final and 1010.03 beta bioses aswell. Mobo doesn't have any physical damages.
Any suggestions to fix the problem?
Except trashing that f%&%&## piece of junk of course.....

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-19-2005, 11:30 AM
I have a problem - when I run games, mouse keybord/music playback slows down to unbearable levels(on old drivers), or just produces tons artifacts(on newest, hacked ones) or tons of BSODs. Prime95 and memtest are totally stable, I excluded faulty drivers (been reformating with different combinations for over a week). I also tried three different graphic cards, all have similiar problems, but only on my board (same drivers works perfectly on other computers). that would rule off faulty graphic card, Tested both 1009 Final and 1010.03 beta bioses aswell. Mobo doesn't have any physical damages.
Any suggestions to fix the problem?
Except trashing that f%&%&## piece of junk of course.....


Have you tried a fresh install of Windows. Several games? Try 3dmark2001SE bench also. That prob sounds wierd. Are you using the same memory and video card from previous builds?

scorp
02-19-2005, 12:37 PM
Scorp, what if its just this motherboard? I see alot of ppl going way much higher on a MSI NEO2 PLAT. What do you think?
:slobber: :slobber: :stick: :slobber: :slobber:

It is possible. A8V tops out at ~280-290 MHz. I am waiting for the DIF nf3 for s939 to appear and depending on the results I might change the A8V :).

Have you also tried 8.0x multi an see how far you can go with the FSB ?

Obi-wan Kenobi
02-20-2005, 02:54 AM
I have a problem - when I run games, mouse keybord/music playback slows down to unbearable levels(on old drivers), or just produces tons artifacts(on newest, hacked ones) or tons of BSODs. Prime95 and memtest are totally stable, I excluded faulty drivers (been reformating with different combinations for over a week). I also tried three different graphic cards, all have similiar problems, but only on my board (same drivers works perfectly on other computers). that would rule off faulty graphic card, Tested both 1009 Final and 1010.03 beta bioses aswell. Mobo doesn't have any physical damages.
Any suggestions to fix the problem?
Except trashing that f%&%&## piece of junk of course.....



Try this forum also


http://www.abxzone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=91


PM Sierra. He used to frequent here and is pretty knowledgeable about 939 platforms. I dont see alot of traffic through this puppy. Its your best bet.

Cashman
02-27-2005, 08:29 AM
Lads...

I cannot seem to get stable on this board when I set the memory to run any higher than 220/225 ? ? I have OCZ Platinum 3200 Rev.2 that have done 275 in a Neo2.

WHenever I set the tiimings to 2.5-3-3-10 (2.7v) at anything above 220ish I get BSOD or errors in Test #6 on Memtest (OCZ Support Forum tells me thats Mobo related).

I am using a SATA drive (Raptor) plugged into the "SATA_RAID 1" slot and have the BIOS set to Promise IDE MODE. Have I got the HD in the right slot or should it be in another one?

Whenever I get the BSOD, when I reboot, Windows tells me about my serious error and then conforms that it was a "Device Driver Error"?

Is this just the worst overclocking motherboard or does it just not like my RAM? Either way its annoying and means I cannot wait for the DFI Nforce3 AGP 939 board to arrive.. if its half as overclockable as the Nforce4 illbe happ :)

It sounds as though I dont have working locks or summat?

yaska
03-02-2005, 02:04 PM
A8V have some memory compatible

scorp
03-08-2005, 05:19 AM
New BIOS available : ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_939/VIA_Chipset/K8T800Pro/A8V_Deluxe/1011__02.zip

Will give it a try right now :)

EDIT : The first beta bios that I am not going to use :). It doesn't boot in dual channel mode :stick: . No problems encoutnered in single channel mode.

yaska
03-09-2005, 08:03 AM
Already try 1011_3 mem cant 200mhz

scorp
03-10-2005, 11:21 AM
1011.004 seems to have problems with Winnies as well. I can't set the memory to work at 400 MHz from the BIOS.

yaska
03-16-2005, 08:30 PM
new bios 1011.005

scorp
03-18-2005, 09:24 AM
this one seems to set the Timing at 2T, regardless of what you set in the BIOS. If you set the Timing at 1T from A64Tweaker it will work fine.

Obi-wan Kenobi
03-21-2005, 04:53 AM
this one seems to set the Timing at 2T, regardless of what you set in the BIOS. If you set the Timing at 1T from A64Tweaker it will work fine.

But then you would have to do it every single time............ right? I hit 2.38 with my 3200+ FYI. Heres my findings..................

1T, 2.5-3-3-7, 2.7V, 1.5vcore, 4X HTT.

faior
03-21-2005, 04:57 AM
that newest bios does definitely help with memory problems, if certain memory doesn't work with the board, this bios may help U :)

it helped me too, but it did still something wrong because i did have to reinstall windows after i put the same settings which was with the 1010.003 bios.

and well.. its going to the right way i think :)

ps. sorry for bad english :/

scorp
03-22-2005, 10:47 PM
Not necessarly. You can set A64tweaker to make the settings each time you start windows. And anyway I never stop my PC ;)

IvanAndreevich
03-24-2005, 08:44 PM
I just bought one of these suckers real cheap to try out. Will it run something like 275x10 with TCCD and a good Winnie which does it on other boards? I am under impression 1008 bios is the best?

scorp
03-24-2005, 10:07 PM
From what I know A8Vs and TCCDs aren't always the best friends. Theoretically this boards can go up to ~290 MHz, but not 1:1.

IvanAndreevich
03-25-2005, 10:50 AM
Too bad. No TCCD-optimized bios?

scorp
04-08-2005, 12:13 PM
New BIOS out : 1011.007
ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_939/VIA_Chipset/K8T800Pro/A8V_Deluxe/1011__07.zip

Still seems to have a problem : if you disable 2t Command Rate from the BIOS (at least on Winnies) you are still stuck with it :D ... so 2T is there to stay unless you use A64 Tweaker :)

yaska
04-23-2005, 08:36 AM
New bios 1011 final release!

Lola
04-25-2005, 08:38 AM
I am wondering if some of you are getting some weird freeze in win xp pack 2.
I am using the via sata controller not in raid. I have 2 drives.
Once in a while, about every 2 weeks or so, the system gets me a message like "Writing to drive r: failed" which is part of the second drive, then nothing else works, when i close the system, it takes forever and gives me many many messages stating again that writing to drives has failed.
After shutting down all power to reset the computor, when i boot the system, it does not see the 2 sata drives anymore or sees the second one as a corrupted name. After many many resets, it finally does, but then it gives me the message "overclocking error" even though i am not overclocking and the system takes many tries to finally enter windows as it stalls on that message. When it finally enters windows, my wireless mouse does not work anymore and the only way to make it work again is to install a wired mouse and reboot (the resets buttons on the mouse does not do anything). After that, if i change back to the wireless mouse, it works again and finally all is fine. This sometimes takes an hour to get the whole thing working again.

After the system is finally working, it will then work for a couple of weeks without a single hickup, until i get the same problem.

What do you think, does this problem comes from the via sata controller beeing unstable or intermittent?
Should i try to switch to the promise controller?
I generally do not overclock.

yaska
04-26-2005, 01:28 AM
Try update bios

Lola
04-26-2005, 02:44 AM
thanks for the answer, but i tried 1008.final. 1009.final, 1010.002, 1010.003,1011.005,1011.007 and 1011.final.
There is no change to speak of.
It happened again last night, after an hour of unsuccessfull reboots, i resetted the bios with the clear cmos jumper on the mobo, the next boot was immediately ok. At least i now know how to fix it fast, it is just a pain in you know where.
In the manual, it says that closing the machine completely resets the BIOS, and that there is no need to reset with that jumper, it is a bit false apparently.

mech3
04-29-2005, 02:53 PM
I have a weird problem with my a8v-deluxe. I am using the 1011 final bios, although I have tried others. Whenever I kick my fsb over 262 my hard drive performance on my raid 0 array (promise controller) drops dramaticly. I can run my fsb al the way to 300 with no stability issues, prime stable etc, but the drive perfomance always drops. I run my memory sync with my fsb. I tried different memory timings, a looser memory divider, lowered the htt multi, but nothing makes a difference. I was thinking of switching my array over to the via controll er to see if it makes any difference.
Basicly i am wondering if anyone else has had this issue. I really would like to run a faster fsb (htt). Is this just an issue of the lock not working correctly, I do have a revision 2 board.

faior
05-01-2005, 11:30 PM
i think that this board is a :banana::banana::banana::banana:, with a memory over 512 megs. It works only on stock clocks. Cant overclock none, it just crashes or jamms in 3D, prime will work for hours.

i thought that it could be the processors memory controller too. not sure though. Memtest86 will too run for hours with the same overclocking than with the 2x256MB memory.

any ideas?

2x512MB HyperX wont work at all. :( kinda crappy to play with 512MB(2x256MB Twinmos, 2.5GHz etc.)

now i'm running with stock clocks and 1.5GB memory...
oh and the bios is 1010.003 Beta.

ps. sorry for bad english

Boble76
05-02-2005, 01:59 AM
Change your memories :)
Only thought I*ve..

*sorry about my bad English too.. :rolleyes: *

faior
05-02-2005, 03:21 AM
Change your memories :)
Only thought I*ve..

*sorry about my bad English too.. :rolleyes: *

heheh sehan tassa onkin ku vaihoin twinmossista ja a-datasta hyperx:aan, muttei vielakaan toimi :/

and same in english:

yup, i have tried twinmos and a-data, and both didnt work, and now same is happening with kingston hyperx, only that it does start with that memory ;)

Lola
05-04-2005, 02:44 AM
I have a weird problem with my a8v-deluxe. I am using the 1011 final bios, although I have tried others. Whenever I kick my fsb over 262 my hard drive performance on my raid 0 array (promise controller) drops dramaticly. I can run my fsb al the way to 300 with no stability issues, prime stable etc, but the drive perfomance always drops. I run my memory sync with my fsb. I tried different memory timings, a looser memory divider, lowered the htt multi, but nothing makes a difference. I was thinking of switching my array over to the via controll er to see if it makes any difference.
Basicly i am wondering if anyone else has had this issue. I really would like to run a faster fsb (htt). Is this just an issue of the lock not working correctly, I do have a revision 2 board.

According to many reviewers this board normally tops between 250 to 260 fsb, it rarely works higher than that. Mine tops at 252, take whatever it gives you. 262 seems very good. What memory are you using? Is it working at 1:1?
I am using the VIA controller but it seems to give me some weirdness also, but you can try yours.

mech3
05-04-2005, 04:25 AM
According to many reviewers this board normally tops between 250 to 260 fsb, it rarely works higher than that. Mine tops at 252, take whatever it gives you. 262 seems very good. What memory are you using? Is it working at 1:1?
I am using the VIA controller but it seems to give me some weirdness also, but you can try yours.
I am using mushkin level 2 pc4400 2x512mb in dual channel. Yes I am running 1:1. It stinks because the board will do 300 1:1, but whats the use if it loses performance. Thanks for the reply

scragley
05-04-2005, 05:22 PM
If it is any help, I had three of these boards. First one hit a wall at 265Mhz, second one did 335Mhz fine, couldn't take the memory 1:1 (BH-5), and the third did 257mhz. This was all with same cpu, memory, psu, everything the same, just different mobo. I guess the 2nd one was a freak :D

mech3
05-05-2005, 03:23 PM
I switched from to the promise raid controller, to the via raid controller. My hard drive benches went up a little, and so did my fsb wall. Now its @ 267. I dont seem to see any difference in bios revisions pertaining to this situation either.

Lola
05-09-2005, 03:46 AM
I am wondering if some of you are getting some weird freeze in win xp pack 2.
I am using the via sata controller not in raid. I have 2 drives.
Once in a while, about every 2 weeks or so, the system gets me a message like "Writing to drive r: failed" which is part of the second drive, then nothing else works, when i close the system, it takes forever and gives me many many messages stating again that writing to drives has failed.
After shutting down all power to reset the computor, when i boot the system, it does not see the 2 sata drives anymore or sees the second one as a corrupted name. After many many resets, it finally does, but then it gives me the message "overclocking error" even though i am not overclocking and the system takes many tries to finally enter windows as it stalls on that message. When it finally enters windows, my wireless mouse does not work anymore and the only way to make it work again is to install a wired mouse and reboot (the resets buttons on the mouse does not do anything). After that, if i change back to the wireless mouse, it works again and finally all is fine. This sometimes takes an hour to get the whole thing working again.

After the system is finally working, it will then work for a couple of weeks without a single hickup, until i get the same problem.

What do you think, does this problem comes from the via sata controller beeing unstable or intermittent?
Should i try to switch to the promise controller?
I generally do not overclock.

Got fed up with this :banana::banana::banana::banana:, so i bought another a8v mobo, the problem seems to be gone. I will RMA the first board for repair.

Anti_Pjerrot
05-09-2005, 12:45 PM
I got the rev. 2.0 and uses 1008.003 bios, the raid sata controller (red) but not in raid, for my raptor 36 gb.

When i tried for fsb 270, i couldnt boot, and i got the post "no harddrive detectet". I had to clear cmos, to get into bios after that.

Is there still a problem with the locks, or could it be something else...

(This is my first post at xtremeforums, so cheers guys!) :toast:

mxa
05-09-2005, 05:06 PM
I switched from to the promise raid controller, to the via raid controller. My hard drive benches went up a little, and so did my fsb wall. Now its @ 267. I dont seem to see any difference in bios revisions pertaining to this situation either.

I'd like to know more about your system or special settings/tweaks you may have done to get to 267? I've been kind of stuck at 260 with loose mem timings so I think it's the cpu or the motherboard. I'm thinking it's the motherboard becasue I can prime for couple of hours and more at 280 if I boot from something called the Ultimate Boot CD and run prime from there rather then windows. Just looking for suggestions.

scorp
05-09-2005, 11:19 PM
I got the rev. 2.0 and uses 1008.003 bios, the raid sata controller (red) but not in raid, for my raptor 36 gb.

When i tried for fsb 270, i couldnt boot, and i got the post "no harddrive detectet". I had to clear cmos, to get into bios after that.

Is there still a problem with the locks, or could it be something else...

(This is my first post at xtremeforums, so cheers guys!) :toast:


Try a newer BIOS. The latest one is 1012.002 BETA or if you prefer final versions : 1011.

Anti_Pjerrot
05-10-2005, 06:39 AM
How do i update bios... The newest from asus is the 1011, in zip format. Do I unzip it ?(Then i get a AMI)
or just uses it as it is - on a blank floppy. With EZ flash?

Dont wanna crash the board....

(By the way, when i checked Cpu-z, it said my motherboard was rev. 1.xx , but on the board is printet 2.0. Is cpu-z wrong or is it the board?)

Lola
05-10-2005, 07:32 AM
How do i update bios... The newest from asus is the 1011, in zip format. Do I unzip it ?(Then i get a AMI)
or just uses it as it is - on a blank floppy. With EZ flash?

Dont wanna crash the board....

(By the way, when i checked Cpu-z, it said my motherboard was rev. 1.xx , but on the board is printet 2.0. Is cpu-z wrong or is it the board?)


CPU-Z is wrong, it does that on my board too and i have rev. 2.0

The best way to update the bios is within windows with the software from the cd of the asus a8v, i think it is called update or something.
You have to unzip it first and put the file in the same folder as that software.

yaska
05-10-2005, 07:32 AM
Use asusupdate , unzip/unrar the file if u cannot located choose all files , cpu-z is wrong

Lola
05-10-2005, 07:38 AM
I got the rev. 2.0 and uses 1008.003 bios, the raid sata controller (red) but not in raid, for my raptor 36 gb.

When i tried for fsb 270, i couldnt boot, and i got the post "no harddrive detectet". I had to clear cmos, to get into bios after that.

Is there still a problem with the locks, or could it be something else...

(This is my first post at xtremeforums, so cheers guys!) :toast:

Before trying fsb270, do not forget to put the graphic bus at 66 or you may destroy the card. This is a must. It is changed in the bios.

Anti_Pjerrot
05-10-2005, 07:43 AM
Before trying fsb270, do not forget to put the graphic bus at 66 or you may destroy the card. This is a must. It is changed in the bios.

its at 66.66/33.33

nevertheless ... I tried to use the Asus Update... with the 1011 bios AMI file on my harddrive... but the program crashed, when i chose the file... (Could it be because im overclocked 25 % ?)

Lola
05-10-2005, 08:31 AM
its at 66.66/33.33

nevertheless ... I tried to use the Asus Update... with the 1011 bios AMI file on my harddrive... but the program crashed, when i chose the file... (Could it be because im overclocked 25 % ?)

Possibly, just update the file at stock speed.