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petervandamned
11-10-2002, 12:32 AM
having a new mobo 2 play with
just check my pics
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 12:46 AM
just trying
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 12:49 AM
still
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 12:50 AM
okay enough :)
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 12:52 AM
have to make me some more bench
but first i have to test my gf4 4200 on this
my new hercukes 9700 pro will arrive this week :)
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 01:21 AM
another screeny
SuSEQ
11-10-2002, 01:39 AM
Who said Rimm was dead? :D
Gr, SuSEQ
Jupiler
11-10-2002, 01:41 AM
Looks nice. How's the performance and stability of the board at that speed?
How high can you go at x4 with the RIMMS?
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 01:46 AM
still testing today
so i will try to be as correct in anyway for al the setting
JCviggen
11-10-2002, 02:54 AM
funny how epox says "Vdimm" in the BIOS for a RIMM board... lmao ;)
RDRAM in 3x mode is a bit weak in performance imho :(
Bushboy
11-10-2002, 08:50 AM
Does that say 81C:eek: Or is it a bug with the temp sensor?
Either way nice results:)
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 11:02 AM
actually is -25 in MBM
TechTones
11-10-2002, 06:32 PM
So again how stable is it?
Prime?
3dMark loops?
SuperPI?
Do you have ANY 4200 rdram you can try in it?
Can you run it at 4x at all?
petervandamned
11-10-2002, 10:57 PM
stable at 168 max now
no i don't have any pc1066 yett but i can test my 3,06 on it this week i hope :)
Tedinde
11-17-2002, 09:44 PM
Any updates??
TechTones
11-17-2002, 09:48 PM
Yeah Ted and I want some damn INFO on this board already!
No reviews yet not one. I'm kinda scared to buy the board now.
I've come to the conclusion no one can get it working right with 1066 [4200]and that's what this board was made for.
Originally posted by TechTones
No reviews yet not one. I'm kinda scared to buy the board now.
I've come to the conclusion no one can get it working right with 1066 [4200]and that's what this board was made for.
OK, I got one 4T4A+ today for a review.... have some BIG problem running 2x256MB PC4200 32bit Samsung and for now I'm only with 1x256MB...
TechTones
11-18-2002, 04:15 PM
Is it stable with 1 265mb stick of 4200? Are you having any problems running 4x at all at any fsb?
Would you say that the board works just fine with one stick of Samsung?
Originally posted by TechTones
Is it stable with 1 265mb stick of 4200? Are you having any problems running 4x at all at any fsb?
Would you say that the board works just fine with one stick of Samsung?
Well I need some more time in order to be sure what I'm talking about.... cos saying "I'm sure it's stable" after 3 hours of playing doesn't sound serious....
Right now I'm running 163FSB/652MHz RDRAM 4x.... so far so good..... but 167MHz FSB is a "NO GO".... it's not the memory, it's not the CPU....
TechTones
11-18-2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by TodB
Well I need some more time in order to be sure what I'm talking about.... cos saying "I'm sure it's stable" after 3 hours of playing doesn't sound serious....
Right now I'm running 163FSB/652MHz RDRAM 4x.... so far so good..... but 167MHz FSB is a "NO GO".... it's not the memory, it's not the CPU....
Why has that rdram done better then 167/4x?
Originally posted by TechTones
Why has that rdram done better then 167/4x?
I didn't understand your question.... :rolleyes:
TechTones
11-18-2002, 05:42 PM
You said the board wouldn't do over a 167 fsb and said it's not the ram or the cpu. How do you know that unless you've run that ram before past 167/4x
Originally posted by TechTones
You said the board wouldn't do over a 167 fsb and said it's not the ram or the cpu. How do you know that unless you've run that ram before past 167/4x
Well it won't run even If I set the RDRAM to 3x and give the CPU more voltage......
It donesn't make any difference........ this CPU is capable of doing 3.1G, and the memory...... well it would handle 167x3, I'm 100% sure about that....
For now 163FSB/ RDRAMx4 seems to be stable....... we'll see how stable....
ASRaiven
11-18-2002, 08:26 PM
Tod, there is aknoen prb with the 4T4A&Samsung pc1066 rimms, many users posted that there was no stability at all\they couldn't run it@X3\They couldn't run it@X4...try to test it with Kingston moduls.
wicktron
11-19-2002, 02:04 AM
Who sells those Kingston 32-bit modules anyway?
Originally posted by ASRaiven
Tod, there is aknoen prb with the 4T4A&Samsung pc1066 rimms, many users posted that there was no stability at all\they couldn't run it@X3\They couldn't run it@X4...try to test it with Kingston moduls.
Yep, there's a problem allright.... It seem to be stable at first, but now I'm getting BSOD when loading WinXP even at defaults...... this MoBo is piece of junk..... I'm putting 4PEA in.......
TechTones
11-19-2002, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by wicktron
Who sells those Kingston 32-bit modules anyway?
You can actually get it right off Kingstons website. $209 for 256mb :(
That's why I didn't order. Also Computer Giants in the US has them for $200 and $130 for 128 mb.
I'm thinkin' of giving that piece of sh*t another chance...... we'll see tonight.....
TechTones
11-19-2002, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by TodB
I'm thinkin' of giving that piece of sh*t another chance...... we'll see tonight.....
POS? You mean you think the board is a poece of sh*t after running at 164/4x stable?
Does it pass Prime and 3dmark looped OK?
subscience
11-19-2002, 08:35 AM
Interesting results.. I was looking into getting one of them, but I hear there are many problems (but, most can be fixed via BIOS update, I heard..).
TodB, I'm surprised it isn't even stable at default speeds!
ASRaiven
11-19-2002, 08:58 AM
All the O\C\stability probs are coused beacuse of the mem,,test with the Kingsotne pc1066 32 bit.. :)
Originally posted by TechTones
POS? You mean you think the board is a poece of sh*t after running at 164/4x stable?
Does it pass Prime and 3dmark looped OK?
Well it ain't stable at 164/4x.... but for now I can say that 160/4x is running OK without a problem...
I can load WinXP at 164/4x, but 3D MARK2001SE crashes after the first scene...
Anyway, after the new BIOS ( 2a23 ) it seems to be gaining stability.... I do got some system boot up problems, but then again in Windows everything seems to be running good.....
Some more info soon.. ;)
petervandamned
11-19-2002, 11:35 PM
thnkz Todb
for taking over this :)
i will have mushkin 4200 rimms in 2 weeks so maybe i can try this again
at this moment i am pushing a 4pea+ to his max
Well for now it's running stable @160FSB/4x and seems to have no problems running at that speed....
At 163FSB I can run some benchmarks like PC MARK2002 and SANDRA and even FLASK Encoding, but 3D MARK2001SE is a no go, CC Winstone 2002 too....
165MHz FSB is the "last able to boot in Windows" speed and at 165FSB I can only run some Sandra Memory Benches... that's all...
Dog_One
12-02-2002, 09:52 AM
So guys, is the EPoX 4T4A Series board junk or what?
I have a rev 1.2 board and it will run at stock speed but still hangs doing DivX 5.02 encoding. It will run Sandra burn-in and Prime95 for days and days. If I try to push to 141MHz with 4x and the PCI/AGP bus unlocked, I can crash the machine buy playing almost any game.
I got a message back from GamePC and they no longer carry the board and couldn't make it run long enough to even do a review.
The folks at T-Break went through three boards with the EPoX guys before they found one that would even boot.
Is it really a memory issue? Did you guys have to hand pick RIMMs to hit the speeds (160s) you're at?
You guys are my last hope at getting this board to function properly. What's your secret, other than just being darn good at would you do. (-:
cosmogreen
12-22-2002, 02:06 PM
Why not lock the PCI/AGP to 33/67mhz and see if this improves
stability. I think you can do this with the phoenix bios.
Rick2001
12-23-2002, 02:44 AM
I had the 4T4A+ board last week as well and it was the newest revision 2.0. It was really very stable but with only 1 module.
With 2 modules you couldn't run anything at all. If you start memtest86 with 2 modules, you get only errors. With 1 module I could run a 2.4B processor at 160x4 without a hip.
I brought the board back because I wouldn't wanted to work with only 256MB of memory.
To lock the AGP/PCI bus doesn't help. There are not many cards that can't handle an PCI bus from 37 or 38MHz and the same for AGP cards.
It really depends on the memory.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 04:35 AM
What type of rdram did you use Rick,
Samsung 4200 or Kingston? Epox says only Kingston works in it.
Was it really stable at 160/4x? Prime95 OK?
Rick2001
12-23-2002, 09:12 AM
I had 2x256MB SAMSUNG RIMM4200 modules, no KINGSTON.
It was absolutely stable at that speed. (160x4) Had around 4050/4050MB/s with sisoftsandra.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 09:39 AM
Did you try to run Prime95 on it?
What did you think of the board though? Worth it?
Ever have a new Asus P4T533?
Rick2001
12-23-2002, 10:04 AM
Indeed I ran PRIME95 for many hours.
My opinion is that it's a very good board with lots of features and overclocking features. It's definately worth all it's money. If you can choose between the ASUS and the EPOX, I would choose the EPOX if you are not using 2 SAMSUNG modules.
Never tested an ASUS P4T533, but it should be okay as well, just the less overclock options.
TechTones
12-23-2002, 06:00 PM
My Asus P4T533 will only do 145/4x running Prime.
Anything higher and Prime doesn't run. I can do 169/3x though.
I wonder if the Epox will allow me higher?
It could be my rdram.
Rick2001
12-24-2002, 04:39 AM
Does the P4T533 have the option to raise the RDRAM voltage ? That could help.
From the 2 modules that I had only one made it till 160x4, the other had allready problems at default with memtest86.
TechTones
12-25-2002, 06:19 PM
No vdimm option but I modded the board for it. It didn't help at all.
Maybe 1 mhz more. I took it up to 2.92v but nothing.
Still don't know board or ram....
daubry
12-26-2002, 04:29 AM
To Who reads this Thread:
I Have an Epox 4t4au board with two sticks of samsung
and a ge-force 4 with a pentium 4 2.53..
From what I have seen of some threads at T-Break and here looks like a wooly ride to get this mobo going I will be going with the newer bios today and try to get an windows XP on this Machine
Thanks for all the info here It's been a great help.
Rick2001
12-26-2002, 04:38 AM
I really hope for you that you don't get problems with those 2 SAMSUNG modules running stable.
Just try memtest86 at different settings starting with default.
If you don't get any errors, than it should run faultless.
daubry
12-26-2002, 10:36 PM
To Whom Owns this Board..
A) I could not get windows XP to Install with 2 sticks of Samsung 4200 512Mb Memory.. I had to go with one stick. X4setting
B) My best stuff so far is running with the new bios and at 3X 144mhz
one Stick of Ram and a geforce4 I would like to try 1Gig later..And the hdd drive led doesnt work either.
c) The only good thing for this board is a spare board .. I think that the no atx12volt connector messed up this board..I really dont know how it could run a hyperthreading p-4
d) Thank you all for the information on this board Anyone reading this I would recommend to stay away from this Motherboard.
TechTones
12-26-2002, 10:39 PM
What revision is your board?
Yours is a 4T4AU. The ones for sale now are mostly 4T4A+.
I don't think there is a new bios for the 4T4A+ though.
daubry
12-28-2002, 03:01 AM
Rick;
I Tried to find my version number but had no luck..I did manage to get in a gig of samsung memory @ 3X Speed. It seem stable there..Well I will probably retire this board as a spare and try a p4t533 asus
board
TechTones
12-28-2002, 05:44 AM
The revision number is in the lower left corner of the board near the PCI slots.
daubry
12-28-2002, 10:48 AM
Yes, It is Revision 1.1 amd I am now running on 2 sticks of Samsung
Ram 1gig But No Overclock..
daubry
12-28-2002, 10:50 AM
1.1 Revision running @ 133 FSB 2 Sticks Now, 1 Crash so far.
TechTones
12-28-2002, 09:44 PM
Ok I switched rimm slots. I can now do like 144-145/4x Prime stable.
But what gets me is why the board won't boot at over 150 at 3x?
The ram can do 133/4x so that means it can do up to 177/3x with no problems. The 2.8 I have can do a fsb of 170.
So, it has to be the board itself that won't allow me to boot at 165/3x like with the P4T533.
Doesn't make sense.
daubry
12-28-2002, 11:46 PM
TechTones; Would you kindly tell me what your Rimm Config Was?
I have found to run two sticks at 4X I turned on the ECC even though
I dont have ECC Rambus..Much Stabler with that! At this point I am happy with X4 but i cannot get much overclocking out of the board unless i am at 3X or 4X
With only 1 C-rimm. Again, Thanks for your help everyone.:confused:
Cpu @ 1.625 Volts, agp @=+10 Ram at 2.92 volts
TechTones
12-28-2002, 11:49 PM
One 256mb stick Samsung in the lower first slot, CRIMM at the top slot.
Set to 144/4x, default voltage
Fan blowing on the ram.
TechTones
12-31-2002, 09:01 AM
**Update**
Now, in the beginning the Epox would only run stable at 140/4x while the same stick ran 145/4x at default vrimm.
But now, after buring in the rdram, I can do 151/4x but it's not Prime stable at all. I keep it at 149-150/4x with vrimm at 2.82v.
I find this board undervolts the Vcore only by a lot. Setting 1.85v in the bios which is tops, results in 1.76v.
Now, the Epox is nice and stable, BUT, I can't boot past say 154 at 3x. My 2.8 can do it too. On the new Asus wit the changes they made, I can boot at 170/3x. The Asus board Overvolts the Vcore my a lot. Setting 1.82v in the bios gives like 1.92v.
My take is that the 850E chipset is terrible at oveclocking CPU's.
I mean you can OC, yes, but the cpu needs more vcore and doesn't go as high as on other chipsets.
I'm deciding on which board to keep. The Epox undervolts vcore but has Rdram adjustments and Highpoint Raid.
The Asus Overvolts on the Vcore, but no Vrimm adjustments even though I modded the board for it, plus it uses Promise Raid.
I'm leaning toward the Asus cause i think it's made better and it boots fine at high FSB and 3x. I'd rather use 4x of course but this sticks sucks as you can see.
I'm not sure yet what board to keep.
daubry
01-01-2003, 05:29 AM
:banana:
Techtones; I have retired this mobo as a spare for it will only run 1 gig of samsung at 3X FSB and the hard drive IDE light does not work..The raid and onboard Lan was ok but i want to use PC 1066 Memory at X4 without reboots all of the Time..
So it will be a spare board for I have gotten an Asus newest revision
P4T533 Installed and posting..But Thanks for your help and all the other pc users on this Forum..Happy new Year.:banana:
TechTones
01-01-2003, 05:47 AM
Same to you man!
Let's hope the Asus takes a liking to you :cool:
Let us know how the 1gb of ram does in X4 mode on the P4T533.
daubry
01-02-2003, 02:34 AM
Gentlemen;
I Can run up to 145 with X4 with the Asus p4t533 a bettter deal than what I had with the Epox Board.
No problems with installing Software Etc.
TechTones
01-02-2003, 03:56 AM
That's exactly what my Asus does 145/4x for Prime95.
I can go 148/4x but its only stable in some games, but NO Prime.
Dog_One
01-05-2003, 08:45 PM
I just got my RMA'd board back... No dice.
They said they added chip C209, but it did nothing to solve the problem. She still hangs trying to encode video with VirtualDub. Vcore is low and choppy.
I've added cooling fans to my Antec enclosure. A RIMM fan as well. I doubled-up wires going to the main power connector in hopes of sinking more current on the 12v line. I've tried many combinations of BIOS settings. She just won't run stable under heavy load, even at stock settings.
I guess I'll put it on eBay and see if anyone wants it cheap. In the meantime I'll see about an ASUS board.
Thanks for all your comments guys--only wish I could have read them all BEFORE I bought the board. EPoX doesn't have a money-back guarantee I suppose. hehe.
TechTones
01-05-2003, 08:47 PM
I have my Asus running at like 152/4x now. Much better but I want more :)
My Epox is going back too. Crappy board.