Ram with Samsung TCCD - Listing

[The Runner]

Dunno if this has been posted already, I know theres alot of threads about different ram with Samsung TCCD chips on, but I thought why not make a thread containing all manufactuers memory which has Samsung TCCD chips on it. :)

Heres what I've found so far

Listed A - Z

Confirmed Samsung TCCD
Adata PC4500 Vitesta
Adata PC4800 Vitesta
Apacer PC4000
Centon Advanced DDR
Corsair PC3200XL
Corsair XMS PC3200C2 Rev4.1 2-3-3-6-1T
Geil UltraX pc3200 ~ Brainpower PCB
Gskill PC4400 (various) ~ Brainpower PCB ~ Not in UK (15/10/04)
Kingston HyperX PC 3200ULK2 ~ Not in UK (15/10/04)
Mushkin PC3200 Rev.2
OCZ PC3200 Rev.2 ~ Brainpower PCB
OCZ PC3700 Platinum
Patriot Extreme Performance PDC5123200+XBLK ~ Brainpower PCB
PQI 3200 Turbo 2-2-2-5 ~ Brainpower PCB
Samsung PC4000 CL3 ~ Not in UK (15/10/04)
Twinmos Twister Pro (ALL BRANDS?)

Possible Samsung TCCD
Corsair XMS PC3200C2 Rev4.2 2-3-3-6-1T
Samsung OEM PC3200

Confirmed Samsung TCCC Memory
Corsair XMSPC3700 Rev1.1

Possible Samsung TCCC Memory
Adata PC4000 (can be Hynix D43, D5)
Kingston HyperX PC4000/K2 (can be Hynix D43, D5)
Kingston Value Ram PC3200 (can be D43, D5, Samsung TCCC, TCC4)
Samsung Original PC3200 (can be TCC4) ~ {Require some input on these}

--- Brainpower PCB

It seems like the TCCDs with Brainpower PCBs overclock aprox 10 Mhz higher than the TCCDs that are sitting on a JEDEC-Reference PCB.
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[RacerX]

Another to your list

OCZ EL PC3700

[The Runner]

added :toast:

edit: Ok changed.

[RacerX]

added :toast:

Actually its the Platinum verison.

[Rabbi_NZ]

"PQI 3200 Turbo 2-2-2-5" :)

[bypolar]

Geil UltraX pc3200

PDP just came out with a 5,2,2,2.0 PC 3200 module have not seen any confirmation but there is a 99% chance it is TCCD.

[The Runner]

perhaps people should post which one performs best on average? Cause sometimes the pcb can make a difference. No fanboy posts though of course :)

btw doesnt the pqi not perform so well on the a64 platform? (according to anandtech review)

[JDizzle]

The new Patriot XBL is supposed to have TCCD. Has anyone tried these out yet?

[WildKard]

From what I have read OCZ and GSkill are neck and neck at the top of the charts for highest quality TCCD both capable of hitting 300! :banana: with ballastix and corsair coming in 2nd, havent read much about the other ones

[Rabbi_NZ]

From what I have read OCZ and GSkill are neck and neck at the top of the charts for highest quality TCCD both capable of hitting 300! :banana: with ballastix and corsair coming in 2nd, havent read much about the other ones
Ballistix is Micron 5B-G tho...

[The Runner]

From what I have read OCZ and GSkill are neck and neck at the top of the charts for highest quality TCCD both capable of hitting 300! :banana: with ballastix and corsair coming in 2nd, havent read much about the other ones

ballistix use Micron afaik, so aren't Samsung TCCD. - Darn beaten to it!

I was thinking of purchasing the Corsair personally as I found a site that was fairly priced and instock, unlike the OCZ pricing where it is instock.

Edit: if people are interested, I can add listings of Samsung TCCC ram as well.

[charlie]

perhaps people should post which one performs best on average? Cause sometimes the pcb can make a difference. No fanboy posts though of course :)

btw doesnt the pqi not perform so well on the a64 platform? (according to anandtech review)

A guy here just posted PQI @ 290, 2.5-3-3-7 1T on A64......
2 x 256mB set.........

[LilGator]

what about 2x512MB results ?

[WildKard]

Ballistix is Micron 5B-G tho...

Well, I guess it doesnt matter that it overclocks so well then! haha :)

[chinabox]

just noticed that one of my favorite stores (swedish even tho im danish)
gets A-Data PC4800 (600ddr) in stock TODAY!
and cheap too
i'd assume they'll be TCCD lol

omg i must have those

gonna cost me but... (not as cheap as a 2x512mb OCZ pc3200 plat rev2 kit but only like 30quid more)

edit:
http://www.adata.com.tw/en/products-d-un-ddr600.htm

[saaya]

hmmm id like to make this a sticky, but xoc is crowded already, so i could only make it a sticky in the memory section.

let me know :)

[Shaman]

just noticed that one of my favorite stores (swedish even tho im danish)
gets A-Data PC4800 (600ddr) in stock TODAY!
and cheap too
i'd assume they'll be TCCD lol

omg i must have those

gonna cost me but... (not as cheap as a 2x512mb OCZ pc3200 plat rev2 kit but only like 30quid more)

edit:
http://www.adata.com.tw/en/products-d-un-ddr600.htm

AData DDR600 is using TCCD allright!I think they're using the Brain Power PCB (the same GSkill and OCZ use).

[PnoT]

Nice post :slobber:

[The Runner]

hmmm id like to make this a sticky, but xoc is crowded already, so i could only make it a sticky in the memory section.

let me know :)

I'd be honoured to have this as a sticky saaya :)

Just as long as people didn't forget about it in the memory section! :D

edit: btw, Adata PC4800 from what I have seen, is Hynix B not Samsung TCCD. Unless someone owns a pair and can confirm otherwise, I'll put them up as unconfirmed.

[Mrki]

i don't know u know the list from //mar

http://mar.h0sted.org/ramliste250804.htm

[The Runner]

I used a list simular to that for some of the more obscure memory yeah :)

For most of it, it was simply my brain :D

[mcnbns]

A lot of the Samsung OEM PC3200 has Samsung TCCD chips in it. The other ones are TCCC. It's about a 50-50 chance to get TCCD chips. Might wanna add this one to your "Possible Samsung TCCD" section. They're pretty cheap, though (about $100 CDN for 512MB).
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=9545&vpn=SAMSUNG3200-512M&manufacture=Samsung

[Shaman]

[QUOTE=The Runner]
edit: btw, Adata PC4800 from what I have seen, is Hynix B not Samsung TCCD. QUOTE]

Where did you see the AData PC4800 reported as HynixB?I think their DDR500 uses Hynix chips.
AData DDR566 use TCCD so it's normal for the DDR600 to be TCCD as well.

Found this:
http://www.ocworks.com/memory/adata600.html

I've also read somewhere - unfortunately can't remember where - that they use the Brain Power PCB which is used in TCCD memories (like GSKill, OCZ Platinum Rev2 and PQI Turbo).

[The Runner]

[QUOTE=The Runner]
edit: btw, Adata PC4800 from what I have seen, is Hynix B not Samsung TCCD. QUOTE]

Where did you see the AData PC4800 reported as HynixB?I think their DDR500 uses Hynix chips.
AData DDR566 use TCCD so it's normal for the DDR600 to be TCCD as well.

Found this:
http://www.ocworks.com/memory/adata600.html

I've also read somewhere - unfortunately can't remember where - that they use the Brain Power PCB which is used in TCCD memories (like GSKill, OCZ Platinum Rev2 and PQI Turbo).

added to confirmed :toast:

anyone think these have TCCD/TCCC on them?

click me (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=52595)

[Walrusbonzo]

The new Patriot XBL is supposed to have TCCD. Has anyone tried these out yet?

Yep, just reviewed them.... Although I can't 100% confirm they are TCCD as I have not looked under the heatspreader, I think I may just do that tonight and see if it helps them clock a bit better.

[Walrusbonzo]

Yep, Patriot PC3200XBL is defo Samsung TCCD, both sticks I have here have them :)

My Corsair PC3200XLs are the same, shame they don't clock as well as the Patriot stuff :(

[STEvil]

samsung original tccc and tccd may clock well also.

i've a pair of 256 tccd's that i bought quite a while back and they were able to post and run stable in the bios at 250mhz 2.5-3-3-7 2.5v

Forget board model though.. aleady took it back due to the fact it sucks ;) ga-8vt800 or something.

[The Runner]

samsung original tccc and tccd may clock well also.

i've a pair of 256 tccd's that i bought quite a while back and they were able to post and run stable in the bios at 250mhz 2.5-3-3-7 2.5v

Forget board model though.. aleady took it back due to the fact it sucks ;) ga-8vt800 or something.

Other than Gskill at a possible £150 ish notes, the samsung would be super value for money at £124 for a 1gb set.

[JDizzle]

Yep, Patriot PC3200XBL is defo Samsung TCCD, both sticks I have here have them :)

My Corsair PC3200XLs are the same, shame they don't clock as well as the Patriot stuff :(

Where can I see your review at? Where did you buy from?

[dav]

hmmm id like to make this a sticky, but xoc is crowded already, so i could only make it a sticky in the memory section.

let me know :)

i have posted such thread about TCCD before there in "storage and memory" forum... but not much people reading... :confused:

[Geforce4ti4200]

corsair pc3200XL now uses TCCD chips? didnt they use a different chip type before that maxed out at like 240-250fsb at 2.5-3-3-7 and like 210fsb at 2-2-2-5

[CTKP]

corsair pc3200XL now uses TCCD chips? didnt they use a different chip type before that maxed out at like 240-250fsb at 2.5-3-3-7 and like 210fsb at 2-2-2-5
They were always TCCD, those were just early chips

[chinabox]

the a-data ddr566 use TCCD i belive i read somewhere... also havent seen any ram do ddr600 except for TCCD

but i dont care i've ordered them and they're on their way :)
a64 3200+ s939 90nm @ 10x300 1:1 :slobber: :slobber:

[Geforce4ti4200]

is it true that bh5 at 2-2-2-5 async is better than that TCCD stuff at even ddr600 cause of the 3-4-4-8 timing? Then I will wait till I see people either getting 350+ fsb or 300fsb at tighter timings before I get some too.

[Walrusbonzo]

corsair pc3200XL now uses TCCD chips? didnt they use a different chip type before that maxed out at like 240-250fsb at 2.5-3-3-7 and like 210fsb at 2-2-2-5

I have early review samples which Corsair sent me directly, and amazingly, what you just said is spot on. They really do totally max out at 240/250MHz at 2.5,3,3,7 and at 210MHz with timings of 2,2,2,5.


Where can I see your review at? Where did you buy from? See my sig for a link to GuruReview ;) I got them straight from Patriot, they asked me to review them and I ended up buying them as they piss on my Corsair sticks.

[TEDY]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=1

Patriot Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200 w/ XBL Technology - Retail

100% confirmed TCCD ?

goosh only 230$ for 2*512 :>

http://www.gurureview.co.uk/content/view/348/

nice test thanks

what i really miss...is how this TCCD does on NF2 systems....

[QuadDamage]

I have early review samples which Corsair sent me directly, and amazingly, what you just said is spot on. They really do totally max out at 240/250MHz at 2.5,3,3,7 and at 210MHz with timings of 2,2,2,5.

See my sig for a link to GuruReview ;) I got them straight from Patriot, they asked me to review them and I ended up buying them as they piss on my Corsair sticks.


with black heatspreaders? yeah got them too but they couldn't do 215fsb 100% stable so far and its SPD is 2-2-2-5. Maybe these stick can do more since i tested them on MSI mobo...

[Walrusbonzo]

with black heatspreaders? yeah got them too but they couldn't do 215fsb 100% stable so far and its SPD is 2-2-2-5. Maybe these stick can do more since i tested them on MSI mobo...

Nah, platinum heatspreaders that have since been removed to reveal that they are Definitely Samsung TCCD.

[kakaroto]

Samsung original PC3200U CL3 OEM has TCCC chips.
I have one.

[Henry]

My XMS ver. 4.1 result with Infinity NF2 Ultra, 2.85v vdimm :

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1571/testing2.jpg

I think the mobo hold me back, need A64 + DFI NF3 250GB :)

[TEDY]

Henry that's excellent ocing.....kakaroto, we're talking about TCCD not TCCC :>

[Walrusbonzo]

Henry that's excellent ocing.....kakaroto, we're talking about TCCD not TCCC :>

If you read "The Runner"'s first post you'll see he has a list for TCCC too :rolleyes:

[TEDY]

My XMS ver. 4.1 result with Infinity NF2 Ultra, 2.85v vdimm :

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/1571/testing2.jpg

I think the mobo hold me back, need A64 + DFI NF3 250GB :)

was this made with CPC on ?

[The Runner]

Samsung original PC3200U CL3 OEM has TCCC chips.
I have one.

PC3200U? The "U" part intrigues me! :)

[gastro54]

The Samsung OEM memory is also TCC4 http://memorysuppliers.com/sam51pc40cld.html
EDIT: looks like you already had that written :p

[The Runner]

The Samsung OEM memory is also TCC4 http://memorysuppliers.com/sam51pc40cld.html
EDIT: looks like you already had that written :p

yep :toast:

[gastro54]

In your first post you made reference to samsung OEM and samsung original, is there any way to tell the difference aside from buying it?

[STEvil]

will have the markings "TCCC" or "TCCD" or "TCC4" on it.. or others. TCB3 is original I think? that the stuff that ran as good as bh-6 back in the kt333 days.. :D

[Henry]

Tedy : CPC Off.

Which one is faster for A64, 2.5-3-3 or 3-2-2, thx.

[STEvil]

3-2-2 of course.

Cas does not matter.... or not a lot anyays.

[Fiskekrok]

Anyone know if Geil 1GB PC4400 ram (2*512) are tccd memories?

[TEDY]

nope....only GEIL ULTRA X

[Fiskekrok]

nope....only GEIL ULTRA X
ok, thx

[ant1]

Do all A-Data Vitesta PC4500 have TCCD chips?

[shrae]

Great list, thanks for compiling this.

[TEDY]

A-Data Vitesta PC4600

Apacer Real 500 PC4000

Corsair XMS PC-3200 XL US$ between 270-275 newegg/excaliberpc 261$
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-522&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-523&depa=1
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=163_520_164&products_id=3746 261$ !!!

Geil PC3200 Ultra X US$276 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-332&depa=1

G.Skill PC4400 TCCD US$ various 260-285$ excaliberpc
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=163_520_789&products_id=4246
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=163_520_789&products_id=4242

Kingston HyperX PC3200 Low-Latency US$289 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-161&depa=1

Mushkin PC3200 Level II V2 US$ 291 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-355&depa=1

OCZ EL PC3200 Platinum Rev. 2 US$279 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-890&depa=1

OCZ EL PC3700 Platinum 2-3-3-8 335$
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=163_520_327&products_id=4223

PDP Patriot PEP5123200+XBL 229$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEWEGG
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=1

PQI PC3200 Turbo PQI3200-1024DBU US$ 245-248 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-194&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-148&depa=1

hope didnt :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed with links :>

please add links and prices....

[charlie]

A quick note, for benching rigs that are content with 256mB or 512mB of ram, check out PQI's Turbo PC3200 in the 256mB and 2 x 256mB kit....they're about $64 per stick :D

C

[TEDY]

yep 63$...or dual kit 126$ ....hehe

[Geforce4ti4200]

is there any ram in exisance thatll do ddr600 speeds at 2.5-3-3-7(NOT 3-4-4-8) at 2,8v or less? If not yet, then maybe in 6 months when I get a 3200+ winchester ill have 300x10=3GHz with two 512mb sticks of this wonder ram :)

[charlie]

is there any ram in exisance thatll do ddr600 speeds at 2.5-3-3-7(NOT 3-4-4-8) at 2,8v or less? If not yet, then maybe in 6 months when I get a 3200+ winchester ill have 300x10=3GHz with two 512mb sticks of this wonder ram :)

voila...........

[The Runner]

nice links Tedy, you're saying these have TCCD?

"A-Data Vitesta PC4600

Apacer Real 500 PC4000" ?

Nice price list, wish there was some uk sites selling something decent for reasonable amounts of cash!

Nice ram there Charlie!

[moep]

Nice list, certainly useful.

One suggestion though; could you maybe add the PCB-Design of each RAM to the list?
It seems like the TCCDs with Brainpower PCBs overclock aprox 10 Mhz higher than the TCCDs that are sitting on a JEDEC-Reference PCB.

the OCZ 3200 plat rev 2, GGkill and PQI turbo RAMs are confirmed to use the Brainpower PCB, all others most likely use the reference PCB.

[The Runner]

added moep :toast:

[Wolf]

I just ordered 2x512MB of the patriot 3200 xbl at newegg. With 99 cents shipping, I couldn't resist. I'll post how they do on my MSI board. I'm hoping for 278x9 stable. I've tried about 5 types of memory on this board and the highest it's gone at 1:1 1t so far is 240fsb with some OCZ 3500EB. If this doesn't get me to what I want, I'll pick up a DFI board and play with it. I could use the more volts anyway. My cpu barely maxes at 39c under load. It might have 2600MHZ in her at 1.95v.

[The Runner]

I just ordered 2x512MB of the patriot 3200 xbl at newegg. With 99 cents shipping, I couldn't resist. I'll post how they do on my MSI board. I'm hoping for 278x9 stable. I've tried about 5 types of memory on this board and the highest it's gone at 1:1 1t so far is 240fsb with some OCZ 3500EB. If this doesn't get me to what I want, I'll pick up a DFI board and play with it. I could use the more volts anyway. My cpu barely maxes at 39c under load. It might have 2600MHZ in her at 1.95v.

Nice mate :toast: I hope the ram performs well for you and whoever else buys it! Keep the replies coming guys so we can keep this thread near the top! :D

[Wolf]

Just wanted to say thanks for the links and ram ID . This thread got me a hot deal I believe. :toast:

[TEDY]

let me know wolf asap about PATRIOT :>

[blinky]

ummmmmmm, on newegg theres like 5 or 6 PQI turbo pc3200 256mb modules, which one is TCCD, the most expensive only?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=147&manufactory=1716&DEPA=1

[Alex08]

the only one that im sure of is the 2-2-2-5 PQI modules

[TEDY]

the one 63$...black module...

[TEDY]

nice links Tedy, you're saying these have TCCD?

"A-Data Vitesta PC4600

Apacer Real 500 PC4000" ?

Nice price list, wish there was some uk sites selling something decent for reasonable amounts of cash!

Nice ram there Charlie!

not sure 100%, got this from other forum....never heard of apacer tho LOL

[CTKP]

not sure 100%, got this from other forum....never heard of apacer tho LOL
I thought the Adata pc4600 is Hynix based. But i think their pc4200 is TCCD.

[chinabox]

well if they can do 300fsb "stock" tho 3-4-4-7 or 8 or whatever, they should do nicely running 2-2-2-5 async :D

the a-data pc4800 that is

[musk]

A lot of the Samsung OEM PC3200 has Samsung TCCD chips in it. The other ones are TCCC. It's about a 50-50 chance to get TCCD chips. Might wanna add this one to your "Possible Samsung TCCD" section. They're pretty cheap, though (about $100 CDN for 512MB).
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=9545&vpn=SAMSUNG3200-512M&manufacture=Samsung

Have you got any with TCCD from NCIX? I would be very interested if you have.

musk

[mcnbns]

Yeah, my Dad has gotten some from NCIX. A lot of it is TCCC and a bit of it is TCC4. It's usually about a 50/50 chance between getting TCCC and TCCD.

[Mitz]

pic of Apacer PC4000 TCCD

http://www.geocities.com/fried_imoet/apacer_tccd.txt

[TEDY]

where did you find this pic ? 10x

[The Runner]

updated again.

[perkam]

Is the OCZ 3200 EL Platinum Rev 1 (as in non-rev 2) using TCCD as well?

[Mitz]

Apacer Taiwan send me two pair of this ram (256x2 & 512x2) :D

[perkam]

Is the OCZ 3200 EL Platinum Rev 1 (as in non-rev 2) using TCCD as well?

Anybody ??

[TEDY]

nope perkam...

[perkam]

Awww man, darn it

Thanks TEDY for answering, and I guess breaking my bubble as well.

MY problem is this: I cant seem to afford 2x512 mb of ocz 3200 plat rev 2 and wanted to opt for either a stick of 512 or 256x2 of the same ram BUT CANT FIND ANY where i live (Toronto)

Whats the next best ram after ocz plat rev 2 for 939 so that i can get a 512 version of it?

[TEDY]

PQI 2*256 around 130$ us...newegg/excaliberpc.....

[pokipoki]

Hello all

I'm trying to identify if the following TCCD modules uses BrainPower PCBs, please confirm the PCB type if you are sure or own these modules

1. GEIL PC3200 ULTRA X link (http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2174&p=2)
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/memory/ddr/geil/geil.jpg

2. PATRIOT PC3200+XBL (no pic, someone have any links?)

3. ADATA PC4800 VITESTA
http://61.220.123.253/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/PDRM0020.JPG

4. OCZ PC3700 PLATINUM (no pic, someone have any links?)

To re-cap, here's (http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=53) a review on the types of PCB used on TCCDs and how to identify them.

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/53/compare.jpg
SIDE A : BrainPower PCB (Top module) vs JEDEC reference design (Bottom module)

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/53/sideb.jpg
SIDE B : BrainPower PCB (Middle module) vs JEDEC reference design (Bottom module) vs CorsairXL Pro PCB modified from JEDEC reference (Top module)

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/53/height.jpg
JEDEC reference PCB (LEFT) vs BrainPower PCB (RIGHT)

From the pics, BrainPower PCBs seems to be :

1. "empty" at the middle of the PCB
2. less trace route between chips and power leads (the "gold fingers") on SIDE B
3. shorter height

Also, there are 2 types of BrainPower PCBs :

1. B6U808
2. B6U815

#1. B6U808 seems to be better as reported here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=561768#post561768)

http://www.e04hardware.com/tccdpcbs.jpg

Corsair XL seems to adopt PowerBrain PCBs recently but no one knows how to identify them from the old PCB. I hope we can confirm the PCB used and there will be more choices to shortlist.

EDIT : I wonder if it is the PCB that optimizes overclocking? Does BrainPower PCBs perform better on other type of memory chips for that same group? AnandTech seems to have an article on memory PCBs, can't seem to find it anymore.

Regards,
pokipoki

[TEDY]

pokidoki

http://www.gurureview.co.uk/content/view/348/

[Wolf]

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-220-033-01.jpg/20-220-033-02.jpg

This is a link to what newegg has on their site for the patriot sticks. I can't tel which one it uses from the picture though. Maybe someone else will notice a small detail.

Actually, in the top right corner it looks like that is a brainpower pcb. I hope so at least.

[pokipoki]

Thanks for the links. I've googled for the pics but no pics can confirm positively the type of PCB. We have to check SIDE B or the underside of the module, at least look for B6U808/B6U815. Best is to remove heatspreader. Any owners of the above mentioned (4 brands) here in the forums?

My OCZ PC-4200 Performance Series 3-4-4-8 (Hynix) uses BrainPower PCB B6U808. You can see the numbers even with the heat-spreader on.

pokipoki

[Creep-DK]

Possible Samsung TCCC Memory
Adata PC4000 (can be Hynix D43, D5)

Does that mean it can be either one of them ? i just bought a set of those and i doent really want to void warranty by removing the HS, but it would be nice to know which it is since im looking into getting socket 939, to be specific i was thinking bout getting AV8 but that apparently doesnt like TCCD...so any info that can enlighten me will be appreciated :)

[mcnbns]

If it'll run 2-2-2-5 at 200MHz with 2.6V then it's TCCD. If it will only run 2.5-3-3-8 at 200MHz with 2.6V it's TCCC. Not sure about that Hynix stuff.

[Creep-DK]

ahh thx mcnbns i'll test that when my new gfx arrives so i an get that rig running again.....will ofc post the result her ;)

[TEDY]

wolf did you get PDP yet ?

[TEDY]

w000t

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot.html

:>

[Wolf]

Not Yet :(. SHould be here tomorrow I guess. I got it shipped fedex express saver.

[Sheik]

The PQI Turbo should OC better than the Patriot as it uses the BrainPower PCB right ?

[moep]

yep.

[The Runner]

The PQI Turbo should OC better than the Patriot as it uses the BrainPower PCB right ?

yes in theory.

[Wolf]

eheh.. Hold on now. Since when did we have a positiveID on the Patriot PCB? If you look on the top right corner of the memory, the regulator chip appears the same as the brainpower pcb. Then look at the top right of the apacer chip and it's obviously the standard pcb. I am getting the Patriot sticks sometime today. I'll post the pcb on the patriot and should have some results how they do today also.

[WiCKeD]

Patriot only hits 245fsb in that above link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_3.html

Looks like it may be shorter than the Kingston though, which does not use BP:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-144-160-01.JPG/20-144-160-02.JPG&CurImage=20-144-160-01.JPG

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-220-033-01.jpg/20-220-033-02.jpg

pokipoki, why don't you post who is using what right now? It looks like A-Data & Geil also use the BP PCBs(?)

[Wolf]

Wicked that patriot link is the older sticks using Mosel. I'm talking about the xbl stick here using tccd.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_7.html

Yes it looks like adata and geil def use the bp pcb.

[pokipoki]

Patriot only hits 245fsb in that above link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_3.html

Looks like it may be shorter than the Kingston though, which does not use BP:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-144-160-01.JPG/20-144-160-02.JPG&CurImage=20-144-160-01.JPG

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-220-033-01.jpg/20-220-033-02.jpg

pokipoki, why don't you post who is using what right now? It looks like A-Data & Geil also use the BP PCBs(?)

thanks for the links. All brands confirmed using BP PCBs are listed in post #1 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=564001&postcount=1), it's maintained by The Runner. It's difficult to ascertain the type of PCB used by observing the pics (with heatspreader) unless we can id those PCB numbers on the underside of the module.

The underside will also show if there are less trace route between chips and power leads (the "gold fingers"). Adata seems to be using non-BP PCBs as their PCBs are red in color (all other BP are not red, the centre of the PCB also looks different from BP, I could be wrong though).

Owners of the modules in question will be in the best position to id the modules. Detailed pics are very hard to find :rolleyes:

Regards,
pokipoki

[WiCKeD]

Adata's design looks like a revision of BP's design, over the reference. Looks possible that it's a mod of their design, similar to what Corsair did with the JEDEC version. Then again it could be something else entirely.

I know The Runner has posted the confirmed BP PCBs, but those two were not listed, which is why I asked. You seem to be staying on top of things. :cool:

The Geil looks almost identical to the BP PCB, and overclocks the highest.

[TEDY]

Patriot only hits 245fsb in that above link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_3.html

Looks like it may be shorter than the Kingston though, which does not use BP:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-144-160-01.JPG/20-144-160-02.JPG&CurImage=20-144-160-01.JPG

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-220-033-01.jpg/20-220-033-02.jpg

pokipoki, why don't you post who is using what right now? It looks like A-Data & Geil also use the BP PCBs(?)

wrong

Dual Channel. Low Latency: PDC5123200LLK

you gotta look this

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_7.html

Extreme Performance PDC5123200+XBLK

[Wolf]

I just got my 2x512MB sticks and the patriots use brainpower pcb B6U815. I'll check in later on how they do.

Priming them now at 2.5,3,3,10, 1t at 10x250.

[TEDY]

w000t!!! pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

test them now !!!! :>

[The Runner]

another update for you fellas.

[Wolf]

I can run memtest at 9x279 2.5,3,3,7 1t 2.65v but it gets thousands of errors after it hits the second 512MB stick. This MSI is holding me back I believe. 10x250 is priming now at 2.5 3, 3, 7 1t. This is the furthest I've gone so far on this board testing about 7 sticks. Seems like this stuff is at least decent but the board is holding me back. I need to see if I can find a MSI bios good for samsung memory. I'm running the 1.52b now.

[TEDY]

PLEASE PICS...you gotta have some digital cam ?

[xtrempinoy]

i'm wondering how TCCC ram sticks overclock, anyone know

[rick_fx]

i'm wondering how TCCC ram sticks overclock

Can't be as good as TCCD ...

[The Runner]

i'm wondering how TCCC ram sticks overclock, anyone know

supposedly not as good, some guy posted results on these very forums using cheap TCCC ram. The clocks were pretty impressive, about 285 w/ 3.1vdimm I *think*

if I could get a 1gb set of them for £100, I'd be happy.

[WiCKeD]

Geil also has confirmed Brain Power PCBs. E-mailed the writer on the Anandtech review and pointed him to these threads.

Response:

The Geil uses the brainpower PCB.

Wesley Fink
Senior Editor, AnandTech, Inc.
www.anandtech.com

Think one of the reps said TCCC doesn't hold the tight clocks as well.

Considering that TCCD is on revision F right now, TCCC is probably comparable to a prototype version of revision A. I'm just speculating, of course ;)

Wolf is it an 808 or 815 PCB? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=561768#post561768
What's the max you can get 2-2-2-X & 3-4-4-X using 1T?

[OC_Newbee]

How good are these TCCx ram? I've haven't been following up on these things lately. My 2x 256 XMSPC3500 Bh-5 stick have died on me for no reason. It was working fine and all I did was take out the 2x 256mb stick and replace it with my 2x 512mb stick. And now this 2x 256mb stick would not boot up at all in any motherboard(try it on 3 different board). Man I will miss those 2x 256mb stick of bh-5. They were pretty good too, did 260 1:1 2-2-2-5 @ 3.47v(only run it 24/7 @255 2-2-2-5 @3.38v with 80mm fan blowing on top and 120mm side panel fan blowing directly on the rams).

Anyways, I just got a replacement from corsair today. They send me 2x 256mb stick of CMX256A-3200XL(suppose to carry the TCCD chip). My question is how good are these stick compare to my old bh-5. Still at work right now and won't be able to test these out until tonight and was just wondering how many people like these stick compare to bh-5.

[mcnbns]

TCC4 sucks (3-4-4-8 at 200MHz). TCCC is better (3-3-3-8 at 200MHz). TCCD is best (2-2-2-5 at 200MHz). TCCD also seems to get the highest overall speed, and giving it more than 2.7-2.8V doesn't help it clock. TCCC, on the other hand, seems to respond to voltages above 3V quite nicely. Overall, TCCD is still what you want if you can get it.

With regards to how well the Corsair XL series (with TCCD chips) will perform compared to your current BH-5, the TCCD should clock higher with less voltage, but also with higher latencies (voltage will not help you tighten latencies at high speeds). I believe the XL series is rated to do 250MHz with 2.5-3-3-7 timings, but I know your BH-5 is better than that. There seem to be better clocking brands than the Corsair's TCCD stuff, though.

[WiCKeD]

It died because you put ~3.5v through them :P

You will have to run with a divider if you want 2-2-2-X clocks. You might get 2.5-2-2-x or 2-3-3-X 1:1 though. I don't have any personal experience with the RAM yet, but that's what I've heard.

[Walrusbonzo]

My older Corsair PC3200XL uses the JEDEC PCB and don't clock as well as my Patriot PC3200XBL that uses the BrainPower PCB.

Just FAYI

[The Runner]

My older Corsair PC3200XL uses the JEDEC PCB and don't clock as well as my Patriot PC3200XBL that uses the BrainPower PCB.

Just FAYI

Seen shot Walrusbonzo

[Walrusbonzo]

Seen shot Walrusbonzo

Sorry, not exactly sure what you mean by that.

[TEDY]

PDP uses Brainpower PCB ? 100% ? make pics!!!

[The Runner]

Sorry, not exactly sure what you mean by that.

Lol, it means 'cool' :toast:

[Walrusbonzo]

PDP uses Brainpower PCB ? 100% ? make pics!!!

Well, I suspected they did when I heard that there was two different PCBs and the Brainpower was better than JEDEC. Now my PDP/Patriot is much better than my Corsair, both TCCD, so having took off the heatspreaders I noticed straight away how different they looked. I assumed the Patriot was the Brainpower.

NOW, also, I've seen the pics on here, and I'm certain that the PDP is the Brainpower as it is the smaller PCB with less components, and smaller components.

Sound good to you? Besides, my results should be proof enough, look at my sig, that's using 2 DIMMs. With 1 DIMM I was Prime stable to about 285MHz with the same timings and 2.9v~. I'm MEMTEST86 stable even upto 300MHz with the same timings and 2.9v.

Got no camera for PICs ATM, but I will get some when/if I can borrow my friends :)

[Wolf]

I just got my 2x512MB sticks and the patriots use brainpower pcb B6U815.

They use the brainpower pcb for sure. Sorry,I'm not taking out the digital camera and the sticks right now but they are clearly labeled on the pcb. You'll just have to trust me. I have no affiliation with the company.

I'm testing a new MSI bios right now. These sticks 2x512MB are prime stable at 1:1 250fsb 2.65v at 2.5,4,3,8,1t. 2.5,3,3,8 1t failed.

1:1 at 279fsb is not stable in my testing so far.I had to work today so I haven't had much time to play with it.

[stelleg151]

Yeah I am trying to decide whether to get the PQI turbo or the Patriot, as they are the cheapest I believe. The PQI did well on the anandtech review, getting very good performance at 285 at 2.75v. The 2.75 volts is attractive to me cause it would be nice if something that costs approx 250 lasts for a little while.

Need to find direct comparison between the patriot and the PQI to make decision though or probably gonna go with PQI. Which you guys think is better?

[TEDY]

i'm deciding also between PQI and PDP, it's like 15$ difference hehe

[Wolf]

I guess if it was my choice and knowing what I do now I'd go with the PQI . It supposedly had the better brainpower pcb and a lot more people have had good results using these sticks. The patriot for $230 is a good deal also I believe but not as proven yet.

[Jupiler]

I "stickied" this thread, as we found it has some very good and usefull info for members, searching to buy some good memory.
Keep up the good work guys. :up:

[TEDY]

i gotta decide which ram!!!!!

i have DFI NFII ULTRA INFINITY

what do you suggest me ????

gotta choose between PQI and PDP....

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-194&depa=1

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-148&depa=1

or

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=1

[TEDY]

:banana::banana::banana::banana: It i'll go with PQI DPU

[WiCKeD]

It supposedly had the better brainpower pcb and a lot more people have had good results using these sticks.
Saying your PDP has the 815 PCB? :confused:

It could just be your stix. That's still a nice max OC. :toast:

[Confused]

First, as a newbie, thanks for everyone posting their experiences.

I went with Patriot xbl versus the PQI because the PQI technicians (via emails) told me that they could not guarantee TCCD on ANY of their modules.

I suspect that in certain PQI models you will get TCCD-but their party line is they will not guarantee it.

[Alex08]

First, as a newbie, thanks for everyone posting their experiences.

I went with Patriot xbl versus the PQI because the PQI technicians (via emails) told me that they could not guarantee TCCD on ANY of their modules.

I suspect that in certain PQI models you will get TCCD-but their party line is they will not guarantee it.

if you look at newegg and a couple other sites, im pretty sure the modules listed as 2-2-2-5 timings are tccd

[Confused]

if you look at newegg and a couple other sites, im pretty sure the modules listed as 2-2-2-5 timings are tccd


I thought the same thing and specifically asked the support contact if any model ending in DPU (2-2-2-5) would be TCCD. Their reply was rather "canned" that they have no way of knowing or guaranteeing TCCD chips as they buy chips from several manufactures. I agree that they most likely will be TCCD.

Forget about even trying to get a response from Patriot-their website seems to have some serious issues sending messages. I made my decision based on Wolf's purchase in which he confirmed Brain Power and TCCD.

PQI just scared me off with their blanket statement that there is no way of knowing what chips could be used.

[TEDY]

hey i doubt that PQI would rip us off ...come on.....TCCD is only 1 ....2-2-2-5 PC3200 :D

[Confused]

hey i doubt that PQI would rip us off ...come on.....TCCD is only 1 ....2-2-2-5 PC3200 :D

Thanks Tedy, I think your are teaching me that any pc3200 rated 2-2-2-5 has to be TCCD?

I am not suggesting that PQI is out to rip anybody off. I am just relaying the response I got from them that they use chips from many manufacturers and were either unwilling or unable to confirm that any model ending in DPU was in fact Samsung TCCD.

Perhaps I should have asked them if all there 2-2-2-5 PC3200 (both DPU and DBU) rated product uses Samsung TCCD.

Do you think buying the Patriot XBL was a mistake?

[TEDY]

nope don't thing so....it's good for 250+ ...actually even 550DDR 3-4-4-8 hehe...

[TEDY]

i'm torned between

PDP 230$
PQI 248$
GSKILL 2.5-4-4-8 250$

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

which one has higher ocing potencial in my DFI NFII INFINITY? and of course next year prolly some NF4 + 939 Winchester 3000+...hehe

[Ulver]

the OCZ DDR PC-3200 Rev 3 ? are tccd ?

[WiCKeD]

i'm torned between

PDP 230$
PQI 248$
GSKILL 2.5-4-4-8 250$

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

which one has higher ocing potencial in my DFI NFII INFINITY? and of course next year prolly some NF4 + 939 Winchester 3000+...hehe
Well PDP is out of stock, so that should make things easier! Shoot.

For an NFII, I would consider going with some cheap BH-5, it's the best stuff there is for that board. 2.5-3-3-x is good for 275+fsb, but you'd be better off with tighter timings on the DFI.

Btw, dav has a great list over @ EOCF with the latest TCCD listings. You guys should check it out: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=132949&page=1&pp=20

[TEDY]

yeah guess i'll go with GSKILL

[Red_Sonja]

the OCZ DDR PC-3200 Rev 3 ? are tccd ?

mmh i dont thik so, but i´m not sure.

[perkam]

nope don't thing so....it's good for 250+ ...actually even 550DDR 3-4-4-8 hehe...

That's a good point TEDY, this thread tells us which ram has samsung tccds but then only a handful are capable of 500 DDR let alone a speed of 550?

I guess then all rams that CAN go 550 ON AN AMD platform, should be noted in the listing (as going 600 on an intel platform with those rams is a given, prolly).

Perkam

[boshi]

TCCD doesnt mean anything though, I have a year old stick of TCCD KHX3700 that will not post under cas 3 at any speed or voltage. TCCD isnt like BH-5, it makes an incredible difference when it was made.

[DjTonic]

Today i buy Corsairs 3200XL Twinx 1024MB in Austria and looks great so far :D The maximum speed i have reached is 231 Mhz FSB :) With tighest Timings... 3200XL (http://www.slo-comp.net/upload/djtonic/news/1098748026DSCF0132.JPG)

http://www.slo-comp.net/upload/djtonic/news/10987477683200XL_231.JPG

http://www.slo-comp.net/upload/djtonic/news/10987477883200XL_Sandra_220.JPG

:toast:

[Rabbi_NZ]

TCCD doesnt mean anything though, I have a year old stick of TCCD KHX3700 that will not post under cas 3 at any speed or voltage. TCCD isnt like BH-5, it makes an incredible difference when it was made.
Are you sure it isn't TCCC?

[TEDY]

tonic pajo it's BOUGHT not buy :)

[WiCKeD]

TCCD doesnt mean anything though, I have a year old stick of TCCD KHX3700 that will not post under cas 3 at any speed or voltage. TCCD isnt like BH-5, it makes an incredible difference when it was made.
Well, other than the PCB, there are also different revisions of the chips. If you look @ the GSkill on digi4me (http://store.yahoo.com/digi4me/gskddrexseeo.html), there are A-F revisions. (E are priced the highest)

It would help if everyone posting overclocks could list which revision they have. Pull up a corner of the heatspreader.

You know what really makes no sense, is if you look @ digi4me, the GSkill 2*256MB TCCD-F vs 2*512MB TCCD-F have different latency ratings! What the heck is going on with that?

[TEDY]

i dont get this :

Model#: PQI3200-1024DBU 243$
Model#: PQI3200-1024DPU 256$ now...jumped from 248$

any particular difference ?

[WiCKeD]

One is their "Platinum" chip, different heatspreaders. The platinum probably uses a different chip revision that I talked about above(?) E-mail PQI, see what they say. I'm interested too.


Other than the PCB, there are also different revisions of the chips. If you look @ the GSkill on digi4me (http://store.yahoo.com/digi4me/gskddrexseeo.html), there are A-F revisions. (E are priced the highest)

It would help if everyone posting overclocks could list which revision they have. Pull up a corner of the heatspreader.

[TEDY]

yes but now that OCZ EL REV2 is only 272$....hehe.....i might go with OCZ afterall...

[WiCKeD]

Admit it, you just want the fancy heat speaders, don't you? ;)

[TEDY]

lol and "OCZ" :D

[perkam]

Admit it, you just want the fancy heat speaders, don't you?

Actually, nowadays with so many memory manufacturers from around the world flooding the market, I find it helpful that good memory heatspreaders narrow down the choice for high quality ram (be it tight timings or highest speed-rated memory).

Maybe its not the same with everyone, and I know you can slap on memory heatspreaders for a minute (pronounced MY-NEWT - and no im not joking here :rolleyes: ) cost of the memory itself, its a good trend and we might ultimately see advances in the heatspreader technology as well.

Perkam

[PanaBob]

Hey guys does this use TCCD:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-522&depa=1
Thanks
:slobber:
edit:
bout heatspreaders, I take em off for better cooling
3.4v @ BH-5 w/ active cooling and they are not even warm :stick:

[quicksilverXP]

what chips do they use panaBob?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Hey guys does this use TCCD:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-522&depa=1
Thanks
:slobber:
edit:
bout heatspreaders, I take em off for better cooling
3.4v @ BH-5 w/ active cooling and they are not even warm :stick:
yes

[WiCKeD]

what chips do they use panaBob?
:stick:

PB, Corsair might not do as well as some of the others brands with BrainPower PCBs. Read through the last few pages.

Tedy, looking @ PQI's website, there doesn't look like there is any difference between the Black & the Platinum heatspreader ones, other than the heatspreader. Think it's just marketing. I just e-mailed them to be sure.

[Confused]

Well I received my Patriot XBL (2x512) and promptly installed in my Abit AI7 mobo with an Intel 3.0c (SL6WK 12 capper). Be advised that the AI7 does not like TCCD chips!

Credit goes to EVA2000 for painstakingly testing Corsair TCCD chips back in July 04 as viewed here:

http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/showthread.php?t=27676

The Patriot XBL is using the Brainpower BU6815 pcb (as Wolf has also confirmed). I hoped Eva’s results would be limited to the Corsair TCCD-but not the case on the AI7.

For AI7 users, bios 17 offered no overclocking potential beyond 208 FSB in 2-2-2-5 timings. Coincidently, PQI's performance,at these 2-2-2-5 timings, was the same on the Asus board as viewed here:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=53&pid=2


Flashing to new bios 18, the only looser timings that would run Prime95 stable were 2-3-3-6 at FSB 224. No other overclocked looser timings (beyond the mid 220’s) would post or boot to windows. However, the 2-3-3-6 @224 offered lower performance in Sandra (unbuffered /3186) than 2-2-2-5 @208 (unbuffered/ 3332). Voltage of 2.7 or 2.8 made no difference-voltage does not seem to matter much at all with this memory.

Bios 18 did eliminate the need to play with the NB strap to enable PAT-you can leave CPU at spd and only mess with the GAT settings (f1/sr-e-a-d-d) to enable PAT 800fsb 1:1. (very funky board)

Bottom line -if you are building a new system based on this incredible memory –do not buy an Abit board (I would go with Asus or Epox). For us current AI7 users-Let’s hope that Abit realizes that this memory (or any brand TCCD/Brainpower pcb) will soon be king and Abit will start addressing their bios to accommodate this memory.

My practice of choosing a mobo first and matching it with other components is no longer a sound practice. I will in the future choose the memory first and match it with a mobo that will work best with the memory. But I bet you guys already knew this- I had to find out the hard way.

[enzoR]

its not the mobo.. its the intel chipset. also 875p has the problem. so choose mobo first, and then pair up with the correct ram ;)

[TEDY]

confused change mobo...TCCD should go 2-2-2-5 220 :)

[WiCKeD]

Confused, did you PM Wolf about the PCBs? I never saw him confirm. Although if you have the 815s, that pretty much implies they all have them. Onepagebook's experience with 808 vs 815 could have been just the chips he had. Newer PCBs still might actually be better/the same.

You guys see this post?
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=576653#post576653

[Confused]

EnZor-The legit reviews that talks about the brainpower pcbs used a Asus Intel 875 which achieved incredible FSB. So it's not the chipset-it's the Mobo.

Tedy-The same review showed a max 215 at 2-2-2-5 (PQI achieved a 208-same for patriot which I believe both use the 815). Only at the looser timings did the TCCD scream.

Wicked-Wolf confirmed the 815 pcb was used on the Patriot XBL (a couple pages back), mine is also 815.

Really guys -it is the Abit AI7 mobo that does not like TCCD. EVA2000 exhausted this with the 17 bios.

My intent was to confirm no improvement with the new bios and to warn anybody,who is using an AI7, and is considering TCCD memory, not to expect the same results that Legit reviews realized with the Asus P4C-800E. The stuff does beform fast at 2-2-2-5 with a 4% oc-but with the price of this ram going up-if you have an AI7-I don't think it is good price value/performance ratio.

[GenTarkin]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-006&depa=0

these arent the XBL series....
Im curious what chips do these use, and also is that Board a JEDEC one?
what have been peoples results with these?
Thanks

[TEDY]

those are most likely mosel chips

[TEDY]

:banana::banana::banana::banana:ing OUTPOST has PDP available but price is sky high....

final question for me

GSKILL 2.5-4-4-8 250$ excaliberpc

or

PQI3200-1024DBU 248$ newegg

or does anyone knows place for PDP around 230$ ?

[drunkenmaster]

is there any diff between the pc3200 ocz rev 2 stuff and the pc3700 gold rev 3? same chips? same pcb? likely to be better than the pc3200 stuff, binned chips?

[Rabbi_NZ]

3200 Rev2 is TCCD
3700 Rev3 is Hynix
3700 Platinum EL is TCCD

[freshp]

Are the A-data 4500 to 100% with TCCP Chips?

kind regards

[halcyon]

Any modules with TCCD in 1GB size (NO kits, only 1GB sticks!)?

[Juspriss]

Hi guys, i'm very affraid... which is the best in your opinio of these Rams?
A-Data600 or Ocz pc3200 Plt Rev2? Others? :confused:

Regards :toast:

[TEDY]

ciao juspriss come va in italia ? :)

avette perso 1-0 contro noi :P

i say 100% OCZ EL REV2

[Juspriss]

Ehehe!

Your italian is very good! ( il tuo italiano e molto buono ;) )
I don't watch football :(, i don't like it, i prefer rugby :D . ( Non seguo molto il calcio, preferisco il rugby :p )

The El Rev2 are betters then 600 , so? :slobber:

Regards :toast:

p.s. Come mai parli italiano? Why do you speak italian? :confused: :cool:

[TEDY]

Be mio padre viene da Brescia :p / My father comes from Brescia..

Scusami se faro qualce errore gramatico... / Sorry if i make some grammar error

Yep OCZ EL REV2 are better then A-DATA 600.....Where can you get A-DATA ?

Got any online link ?

[WiCKeD]

Received official word from PQI that "the only difference is the color." (platinum vs black).

drunkenmaster, the OCZ 3700 Gold Rev.3 looks like it uses the non BP PCB, from what I've seen. Stick with the 3200 Platinum Rev.2 or something similar.

[freshp]

Does anyone knows a shop with gskill Rams in europe?

[MightyOne]

www.mips-computer.de has the GSkill PC4400 2.5-4-4-8 for 255€ and the PC4800 3-4-4-8 for 295€. I believe they ship to anywhere in the EU, but you might want to ask them for confirmation: info@mips-computer.de

[jjcom]

Does anyone know what type of chip is in OCZ's 3200EL? I don't know if its TCCD or not...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-835&depa=1

[Confused]

In my quest to find a motherboard that works well with TCCD, I came across this post

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62275&page=6&pp=15


"The artifact issue is appearing because specialty DDR400 dimms were never anticipated to be as fast as presently shipped, resulting in out-of-design brief fsb frequencies

In fact the i875 nb exceeds design brief criteria with significant headroom, but the hot ddr sticks are simply faster

Tracing crosstalk at out-of-spec fsb frequencies can only be controlled by mobo prepreg spec upgrade"


This suggests that the trace design on some motherboards was never capable of handling the bandwith and frequency that TCCD may be offering.

I'm not an EE-but this guy sure seems to know what he is talking about.

More reason to make sure your motherboard will be able to handle TCCD.

[WiCKeD]

The artifacts are related to thermal issues of i875 nb / mosfets and voltage/current supply provided by psu and mobo on-board 2 / 3 / 4 phase mosfet/choke power supplies

Even if you upgrade to active cooling of nb and install 400watt+ low ripple/low noise (elec) psu and mount heatsinks on mosfets and blow air on chokes, you can not increase mobo copper tracing cross section area of power circuits - you will always be current limited Actually that does. Nice find though. ;) Sounds like a reason to get an OCZ Ram booster to supply straight, clean power.

The Runner, new Mushkin LVL II V2 looks like it is using BrainPower PCBs:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=581116#post581116

[Confused]

The Runner, new Mushkin LVL II V2 looks like it is using BrainPower PCBs:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=581116#post581116

I am not so sure that the Mushkins are using Brainpower pcb? My only reference would be the pictures posted on page 4 of this thread and the pic's on the link provided above. I am not suggesting that Mushkin can not have BP silkscreen something other than 808 or 815-I am questioning the noticeable difference in the space of pcb above the top of the chips compared to the 808 and 815s. If this is a Mushkin proprietary Brain Power pcb, then we need to add another BP pcb to the list in addition to 808 and 815.

As a side note, I took a look at the TCCD markings that are on my Patriot xbl and they are the exact same markings that are shown on the Mushkin pics for the above link (431's revision F).

[Zeus]

Does anyone know what type of chip is in OCZ's 3200EL? I don't know if its TCCD or not...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-835&depa=1

CH-5
Only rev2 is TCCD

[jjcom]

darn...any idea how high that will clock?

[TEDY]

ch-5 love also high voltage...i got them 235 with 3.3vdimm 2-2-2-x

240 2.5-3-3-x....2.9-3.0vdimm

[jjcom]

Alright they like high voltages...maybe I'll look into modding my board at some point in my life...probly not when that system is my main rig tho.

[WiCKeD]

I am not so sure that the Mushkins are using Brainpower pcb? My only reference would be the pictures posted on page 4 of this thread and the pic's on the link provided above. I am not suggesting that Mushkin can not have BP silkscreen something other than 808 or 815-I am questioning the noticeable difference in the space of pcb above the top of the chips compared to the 808 and 815s. If this is a Mushkin proprietary Brain Power pcb, then we need to add another BP pcb to the list in addition to 808 and 815.

As a side note, I took a look at the TCCD markings that are on my Patriot xbl and they are the exact same markings that are shown on the Mushkin pics for the above link (431's revision F).
Damn good point. If you disregard the circuitry, it looks much closer to the JEDEC Ref design, than the BP.

[STEvil]

well, you can actually increase the current handling abilities of the traces, it just requires a lot of solder work.

[Fiskekrok]

Corsair TWINX1024-3200XL DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit w/two matched CMX512-3200XL DIMMs.
Are these modules confirmed TCCD? Obs "Twinx"
Need answere as fast as possible.

/Fiskekork

[freshp]

The Corsair XL have afaik TCCP Chips on it.

[WiCKeD]

Corsair TWINX1024-3200XL DDR-DIMM 1024MB Kit w/two matched CMX512-3200XL DIMMs.
Are these modules confirmed TCCD? Obs "Twinx"
Need answere as fast as possible.

/Fiskekork
Why don't you look at the first post?? You're the second person to ask that. Look at the thread title, it's pretty obvious that there is going to be a list of TCCD in the OP! :stick:

[charlie]

Maybe we need a list of sticks that use the NEWER TCCD's...

[Henry]

2x 256MB XMS PC3200 @ 310 FSB, 2.5-3-3-10, 1T :

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/7011/310_2.jpg

[trans am]

Maybe we need a list of sticks that use the NEWER TCCD's...

Exactly. We need a sublist of new TCCD the ones that oc better with high voltage. I guess you could throw mushkin and geil on there. Eventually they will all use the new tccd, we just need them to sell off the old stuff. I wish the manufacturers would list the new tccd as ver2 or something so there would be a way to identify the new tccd before ordering. THis is going to lead to lots of rma's because everyone going to want the new tccd.

[saci]

http://www.cheeep.de/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=971&IDU=20041102175619217.230.88.95

pcb? quality? any1 knows them?

[charlie]

so, bottom line, who sells newest tccd that loves high volts??

[WiCKeD]

If the newest TCCD ICs are the 431 batch Rev.F, I know Kingston, Mushkin, PQI & GSkill are.

[arj]

If the newest TCCD ICs are the 431 batch Rev.F, I know Kingston, Mushkin, PQI & GSkill are.

My gskills are 431 Rev F and it's rubbish so I'm gonna RMA it.

[saci]

what should i buy??

1GB (2x512MB) PC4500/DDR566 DDR DIMM CL3-4-4-8 - ADATA Vitesta 240€
1GB (2x512MB) PC3200/DDR400 DDR DIMM CL2-2-2-5-1 - GEIL Ultra-X Series (Dual Kit) 258,90€
1GB (2x512MB) PC3200/DDR400 CL2.0 DDR SDRAM DIMM Twister Pro - TwinMOS with Samsung TCCD Chips 254€

board is msi k8n neo2...

gskills are not available and they are often not running fine (even if they are impressive if they do) and ocz/mushkin are to expensive for me

[TEDY]

i would go with twister or geil

[saci]

a-data is tccd and clocks average, but is a bit cheaper (but 10€ isn't to much to make your decision by that)

geil is brainpower pcb.. but often does even clock worse than a-data

twinmos' tccd i've never seen before, so i don't know what to think about it


thanks for your thoughts..

PS: any1 has experience with that rams on msi k8n neo2? heard, that geil may be better on intel

[sobol]

Im also wondering about new memory. But i have few doubts.

1GB (2x512MB) PC4500/DDR566 DDR DIMM CL3-4-4-8 - ADATA Vitesta <- i want buy this , but wich PCB it use ?

If i jump to S939 and get MSI K8N Neo2 PLAT i wont be able to run any TCCD memory at 300 mhz without adjusting settings from A64 Tweaker right ?
There isnt in K8N Neo2 ram settings like in DFI LanParty UT ?

Greetz

[saci]

hhm... i need new rams.. but don't know what to buy.. that suxx :( :rolleyes:

using 512 bh-5 @ singlechann... doesn't 2225@2,85 @ 118 :(


need some dualchann pwnage @ 260-290 :D :p:

[TEDY]

saci you need more vdimm

[saci]

i know.. but my board doesn't have enough and i'll go for tccd instead of a second bh5+booster

[xviz]

twinmos will soon release a TCCD module called twister PRO

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhetsbilder/041104_twinmos_twister_pro_stor.jpg

[aLpHaEv7]

by any chance are the rams i getting, Corsair 3200XL Pro v1.1 , TCCD?

[shadco]

FWIW OCZ PC3700 512MB EL Dual Channel Platinum have Brain Power PCB rev B6U808.

They are also supposed to have Binned TCCD's

[TEDY]

by any chance are the rams i getting, Corsair 3200XL Pro v1.1 , TCCD?

yep

[TEDY]

i heard TWINMOS TWISTER PRO using TCCD too.

[Sheik]

Got my PQI Turbo today. The best I seem to get so far is 285 MHz with 2.7 volts (2 x 256 MB) on DFI LanpartyUT NF3 250GB.

[ocmyface]

in case yall didnt know:

"Hi Micah,
The TCCD chips are the latest die revision but we do not use the brainpower pcb yet. It's difficult to put an exact date on when we will be using that pcb, but the development process is being finalized.

Best regards,
Brian F
Mushkin Inc.
------------------- Original Message -------------------
Sent: 11/03/2004
Subject: Mushkin Level2 Version2
Hi, I'm in the market for some new ram and was curious; what revision of the Samsung TCCD chips does your Level2 Version2 use? Also, do yall use Brainpower PCB?

Thanks for your help!"

[TEDY]

weird why transam got so bad results from them.

[Huhn]

which memory should i use?
2x512mb corsair xl TCCD
2x512mb ocz pc3700 gold rev 3.0 (hynix i think)
or
2x512mb geil TCCD
rams will be used with ic7 max3 vmodded

[JDizzle]

in case yall didnt know:

"Hi Micah,
The TCCD chips are the latest die revision but we do not use the brainpower pcb yet. It's difficult to put an exact date on when we will be using that pcb, but the development process is being finalized.

Best regards,
Brian F
Mushkin Inc.
------------------- Original Message -------------------
Sent: 11/03/2004
Subject: Mushkin Level2 Version2
Hi, I'm in the market for some new ram and was curious; what revision of the Samsung TCCD chips does your Level2 Version2 use? Also, do yall use Brainpower PCB?

Thanks for your help!"

What PCB was used in the Mushkin that Colin had in his review?

[ocmyface]

well, considering they said that they were finishing production on them, i really think they mailed him one of their hand-picked prototypes with the brainpower and good TCCD

[Kanati]

I got my PQI Turbo in (2 x 512) from newegg. I took the heatspreaders off and this is what lies beneath.

http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/PQI TCCD.JPG

It is also definitely a Brainpower PCB. So far I've gotten them to do 260 at 2.5-3-3-10 on my neo2.

Kanati

[RocKer]

A friend of me has these OCZ PC3700 512MB EL Dual Channel Platinum with brainpower pcb,but watt do the mean by this"They are also supposed to have Binned TCCD's " can somebody explain this please.

[arj]

A friend of me has these OCZ PC3700 512MB EL Dual Channel Platinum with brainpower pcb,but watt do the mean by this"They are also supposed to have Binned TCCD's " can somebody explain this please.

It means that a "better" TCCD that can achieve higher speed is used for the 3700EL PT compare to let say, the 3200EL Rev2.

[sobol]

Hot to take off heat spreaders clips ? i got Nexus Copper King and its damn hard to move them i tried eaven with scalpel ( its broken now ). Any good tool or way ?.

Btw anyone know A-Data Vitesta 566 pcb type ? JDEC ? BrainPower ?

[MaRtIe]

i saw there is geil PC3200 Ultra-X tccd comfimed in your list.

i shoped around at www.overclockers.co.uk and found this
GeIL 512MB (2x256MB) PC3200 Ultra-X CAS2 (GLX5123200DC) (MY-043-GL)

that has the tccd right? if not or there is better for around £105 please pm me.

[Kanati]

I know people are saying look for the date of manufacture to tell if you have new die revision of TCCD, but CPU-Z doesn't show the date of my PQI Turbo. Has anyone decrypted the string of characters at the bottom of the IC to be able to tell if it is the new stuff or not?

Kanati

[swami]

hi peoples, I've been scouring vendors/fairs for OEM TCCD but all I'm finding is TCCC. Any reports of OEM TCCD yet?

:sofa:

[Sheik]

Sweet PQI Turbo TCCD at 300 MHZ ) 2.5-3-3 with only 2.7 volts on DFI LanpartyUT NF3 250 :banana:

[johnnyliu3377]

Hot to take off heat spreaders clips ? i got Nexus Copper King and its damn hard to move them i tried eaven with scalpel ( its broken now ). Any good tool or way ?.

Btw anyone know A-Data Vitesta 566 pcb type ? JDEC ? BrainPower ?

A-Data Vitesta DDR566 & DDR600 pcb use JEDEC reference design!! ;)

[sobol]

That sucks but the are cheap. But all that aint important for me anymore i managed stable 240 2-2-2-6 1T ( previous i wasnt eable to do 200 mhz with 1T ) i stay wit mine CH-5.

[jmke]

add one to the list
Corsair TwinX1024-4400C25PT XMS: Samsung 440 K4H560838F-TCCD
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=85&num=2

[TEDY]

add one to the list
Corsair TwinX1024-4400C25PT XMS: Samsung 440 K4H560838F-TCCD
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=85&num=2

OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

275 @ CAS 2.5 W00T :toast:

[Andrewv]

Some can give me picture of the TCCD chip ?

tnx

[jlccarv]

Check the link two posts above...

[Andrewv]

Check the link two posts above...

tnx man

[Confused]

Newegg is suppose to have 1 gig (2x512) tomorrow. These are confirmed TCCD revision F and BrainPower PCB (815).

They appeared on the website today, after being out of stock for a couple of weeks, for $221 a pair ($9 cheaper)-get them while they last. This is the best price for TCCD revision F/BP PCB you will find.

[JDizzle]

I'm ordering mine tomorrow as soon as they are in stock.

[TEDY]

PDP XL 2*256 = 108$ omg what a bargain !!!!

but PDP is almost same thing as KHX/Mushkin i think...doesnt overclock very well.

[TEDY]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_7.html

400MHz – PC3200 2.0-2-2-5
436MHz – PC3500 2.0-3-3-6
466MHz – PC3700 2.0-3-3-6
500MHz – PC4000 2.5-3-3-7
533MHz – PC4200 3.0-4-4-8

not so impressive if you ask me...

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=233

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all this ram is mine!!! :banana: :D

http://www.gurureview.co.uk/content/view/348/

[jjcom]

thats not bad. DDR533 1:1 with a 1066mhz FSB processor. Still that ain't bad.

[JDizzle]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/patriot_7.html

400MHz – PC3200 2.0-2-2-5
436MHz – PC3500 2.0-3-3-6
466MHz – PC3700 2.0-3-3-6
500MHz – PC4000 2.5-3-3-7
533MHz – PC4200 3.0-4-4-8

not so impressive if you ask me...

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=233

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all this ram is mine!!! :banana: :D

http://www.gurureview.co.uk/content/view/348/


If you look at the review the timings you listed were the specifications. He actually got up to 285 FSB. For only $221 that's good enough for me.

[starblazer]

If you look at the review the timings you listed were the specifications. He actually got up to 285 FSB. For only $221 that's good enough for me.
The question is: Did PDI sent the reviewer a bunch of special sticks to review and then when we get it retail, our mem will suck?

[JDizzle]

That's something we will never know. Manufacturers always say they don't send special ram to the reviewers but sometimes it appears to be the obvious answer. At only $221 this ram has Brainpower PCB and Samsung TCCD chips, the two components that make for great overclocking ram. Seems like it's worth a try to me, every stick of ram is going to oc differently so we'll just see how mine turn out.

[TEDY]

yeah maybe really worth a try for 221+5 shipping

[Alex08]

well i have some of this pdp stuff. 3 sticks of 512mb actually.

with 1x512mb @ 290 2.5-3-3

with 2x512mb in dual channel @ 265 2.5-3-3

that's the best i can get out of this memory.

[o27]

will it be too difficult to up-date the list on page1 with links and prices of the confirmed TCCD´s?

[CTKP]

so after reading a few pages..am i correct by thinking you guy's want some TCCD and a place to buy it.

mabey some stuff like this.with the new pcb with the resistor's under the pcd.

what is it you guy's realy want..i need to know.
Ooohh those are nice :D . Where are those for sale? Does that new pcb affect clockage at all? or it that still to be decided?

[CTKP]

And the name of the manufacturer?

[TEDY]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-890&depa=1

reports new bacth available at newegg..OCZ :)

[jlccarv]

CENTON ELECTRONIC'S

but i dont know if you order it yet. if you will get these module's so let me find out.
im hoping there as good as they should be.

Seems like Centon have been sending these modules out to a few people (not me btw)...

[Confused]

yes the new pcb effect's the clockage.and timing's as they have shorter path's to the chip's.

with a resistor on top the path is longer.and that effect's timing's.

also solder has a resistance.
im not 100% sure but these are suppose to have a new solder as well with less resistance
and the voltage limiter of 2.8v taken off.

i dont know exacly how many are ready but i heard they are ready for prodution.

i will no more thursday after i test them.

then i will link a direct link to were these module's are. :)

i have some screen shot's of sandra @84++ with the mem @ 280 so far and they are what i used to get a 24s pi with my FX55.

Very interesting! Just a quick summary of what I have learned from this thread:

1. TCCD revision F with code dates of 431 and later (still unconfirmed) are able to take more voltage and achieve higher FSB. As seen with Colin's review of Mushkin with non-BrainPower PCB. http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1668&page=2
2. Brain Power PCB seems to achieve higher overclocks at relaxed timings with TCCD chips. http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=53
3. There has been discussion of 2 Brain Power PCB modules B6U808
and B6U815. B6U808 seems to be better as reported here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=561768#post561768

PDP and PQI are using B6U815.

4. Not all motherboards like the TCCD chipsets, differnet PCBs or both. The Asus P4C800 seems to have been the Intel based standard for testing this memory and has yielded very good results.

This new PCB (it looks new to me) that your are testing, looks very interesting. I noticed one module is showing a eprom and the others are not.

It at all possible, if you could use an Asus P4c800 in your Intel testing-it would really help in an "apples to apples" comparison with other memory tested thus far using traditional cooling.

It appears that you are also into some extreme cooling which we are all interested to see how much these chips and PCB's can take.

Good luck, and thanks for being willing to devote the time to share your results.

[eva2000]

yes the new pcb effect's the clockage.and timing's as they have shorter path's to the chip's.

with a resistor on top the path is longer.and that effect's timing's.

also solder has a resistance.
im not 100% sure but these are suppose to have a new solder as well with less resistance
and the voltage limiter of 2.8v taken off.

i dont know exacly how many are ready but i heard they are ready for prodution.

i will no more thursday after i test them.

then i will link a direct link to were these module's are. :)

i have some screen shot's of sandra @84++ with the mem @ 280 so far and they are what i used to get a 24s pi with my FX55.
thanks for the details of what to look for still not sure what pcb mine are

http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_03_thumb.jpg (http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_03.html) http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_02_thumb.jpg (http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_02.html) http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_04_thumb.jpg (http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_04.html) http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_06_thumb.jpg (http://www.fileshosts.com/memory/centon/1/ddr1_ddr2_06.html)

2x 512MB Centon Advance PC3200LL - each stick sent 7 days apart

1st stick memtested on DFI NF3 250Gb to 295mhz 2.5-3-3-8 but only booted into win2k sp4 at 280mhz 2.5-3-3-8 and at 295mhz 2.5-4-3-8. Memtest had 2 errors at 300mhz 2.5-3-3-8. Only 205-208mhz 2-2-2-5/6 though heh

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Centon/PC3200/1x512/LDT_AUTO/8x/280-280-2.5338-1T-1.5-2.8-1.5-1.8-dsLVL1/mem-buff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Centon/PC3200/1x512/LDT_AUTO/8x/280-280-2.5338-1T-1.5-2.8-1.5-1.8-dsLVL1/mem-unbuff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Centon/PC3200/1x512/LDT_AUTO/8x/280-280-2.5338-1T-1.5-2.8-1.5-1.8-dsLVL1/cpuz_cbi.jpg

[WiCKeD]

Alex, I thought you said in a previous post that the PDP was the best you had tried?

Nice, eva. How about dual channel?

Thanks for lying to me Newegg... I knew those bastards were going to restock the PDP. Know nothing customer service rep... Definitely would have bought that instead.

Well I ended up buying the PQI. Don't have a working board to test, but from past buyers and what I can see w/o taking off the spreaders, it has all the marks of a winner. TCCD Rev.F & BP PCB Rev.808.

[jlccarv]

TCCD Rev.F & BP PCB Rev.808.

How did you make out that its revision F?

[Silicon Effect]

Eva where u pick them up from???

can i grab a pair of 512's off you for 300???

[eva2000]

got mine thanks to Fugger/Mark at Centon :)

They're okay but still got alot of messing around to see where their max stable is.... haven't tried dual sticks yet (not dual channel since DFI NF3 250Gb is single channel board) but i suspect they're lower max ocs as always

Only have one pair and don't plan to sell them.

not stable but nice to look at

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Centon/PC3200/1x512/LDT_AUTO/8x/295-295-2.5338-1.5-3.22-1.6-1.8_dsLVL2/mem-buff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3700/Centon/PC3200/1x512/LDT_AUTO/8x/295-295-2.5338-1.5-3.22-1.6-1.8_dsLVL2/cpuz_mem.jpg

[quicksilverXP]

How did you make out that its revision F?

The "F" just comes before the "TCCD" on the actual chip.

Ay EVA2000... those memory modules are on the old reference design (similar to those found on Corsair. The new board is the 546G board (a cleaner looking board) that probably gets better results.