food for thought, whats it gonna take for 30k on a ti4200(or any geforce4)

[Geforce4ti4200]

food for thought, whats it gonna take for 30k on a ti4200(or any geforce4)

codered is the current champ at 22.2k with s754 2.9GHz cpu and 400/790 gpu clocks. We now have Ricky with half a GHz higher on top of being dual channel who pulled over 180fps in car high. I am pretty sure he could get higher clocks on a geforce4 as well due to casade cooling. 450/820? I doubt this is enough for 30k at the moment but with cpus getting faster all the time, how much cpu power would it take if one has enough geforce4 ti clocks to push mid 120s in nature, say 126fps? 3.5GHz? 4GHz? tell me your "predictions" :p: oh and before you go flaming me saying its impossible, its possible, the question is when, no ifs about it, just a big when! I remember no one said 20k will ever happen on a ti4200 and now we have 22.2k with an easy 24k if not 25k with todays cpus.

[saaya]

it will take a lot! first of all 450mhz g4ti is gonna happen, second the cards are getting a lower and lower boost from more cpu and bandwidth the higher you get...

the requirements are not linear.

[charlie]

n-e-v-e-r

i think 25k would be an outstanding achievment!

c

[blinky]

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder:
A disorder in which individuals are plagued by persistent, recurring thoughts (obsessions) that reflect exaggerated anxiety or fears....

[kromosto]

agreed with charlie never

maybe 3 years later cpus will be that strong to make a gforce4 get 30k but the question is will you find a slot to plug your gforce4 in that years

[Mini]

agreed with charlie never

maybe 3 years later cpus will be that strong to make a gforce4 get 30k but the question is will you find a slot to plug your gforce4 in that years

True... And btw a 3Ghz P4c will never get 30k... Not even on a R700 core or NV90...

Same thing goes the other way round...

[r3b0rN]

think he meant a 4ghz fx-53 :confused:

[Mini]

think he meant a 4ghz fx-53 :confused:

Yeah but the TI4200 will set the line...

Like a standard 3.0Ghz P4 NEVER will get 30k... No matter what GPU... A 2.0Ghz A64 will never either...

It just cant happen... Even with a 50Ghz GPU those 2 CPU's wont get over 30k...

[saaya]

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder:
A disorder in which individuals are plagued by persistent, recurring thoughts (obsessions) that reflect exaggerated anxiety or fears....


:lol: !!!! :D

there wont be pciE gf4 cards, so yepp. never.... ;)

[Mini]

Quoting yourself sayaa??? Hehe... You need sleep man...

[CodeRed]

n-e-v-e-r

i think 25k would be an outstanding achievment!

c

Thats what I would also consider the top acheivable score with an FX chip and some cascade lovin. But really if you have that much CPU grunt and cooling power why would you bother with such an old vid card :p:

Think I couldve gotten 23k with the new memory tweaks and my 3400+ @ 3019 Mhz ... but too late now, the Ti4200 is sold and my CPU & mobo suffered an untimely death :(

[Kunaak]

the Ti 4200 has been maxed out for a long time now.
all the focus for breaking 30K would have to come from the CPU and System bandwidth alone from now on.
the ti 4200 just doesn't have anything left in it.
people maxed them out a long time ago.
so what it would take is a system with a ton of speed, and a ton of bandwidth to effect the parts of the benchmark that don't rely on the GPU mainly.
to be honest, I don't think even a 3.5 ghz FX with a 300 FSB at 1:1 would do the job.
25K maybe, but other then that, I don't see it happening.

[saaya]

Quoting yourself sayaa??? Hehe... You need sleep man...

LOL :D fixed :D

i was too fast with the ctrl+c i think and still had my last post saved. :D


and no, i dont need any sleep :D never!



haha look a dancing pink elephant! :eek: :eleph:


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STOP LOOKING AT ME! I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT! BUT YOU WONT GET ANY OF MY COFFEE! muhahahahahahahahahahahah

*falls of his chair and sleeps*

[slavik]

I say become the leader of the Earth Simulator Project, and run 3dmark on the MS rasteriser (software renderer which renders 100% accurate images) ... No video card needed and you could score at least 100k if 3dmarks is optimised for 500+ CPUs ;)

[Arkangyl]

I'm with charlie, never

[Bennah]

How about |Ricky| and Pedro Rocha trying out a MX420 :grin: Im sure they will have one somewhere, thier recording setting setup was on a mx420 box :grin:

[Kanavit]

i think it would be difficult. who knows, maybe with dual core cpus coming, it could happend.

[saaya]

dont forget that 2k1 is single threaded ;)

[QuadDamage]

i think it would be difficult. who knows, maybe with dual core cpus coming, it could happend.


OMFG! Kan you're on AMD setup?! Unbelievable....

sorry for posting OT.

[Shade00]

Give it a rest Geforce4Ti4200. It's not going to happen. It's like asking if anybody will ever break 10k with a Geforce2 MX.

I hate to answer this because I know that I'm just giving you the attention you crave.

[Crankster]

Besides, given the risks benching with cascades and LN2 noone in their right state of mind would ever bench with a golden oldie anymore. Either you tweak you high end vid-card or you calibrate other parts of your setup.
I'm sorry i just don't see 30k happening ever, by the time you have the kind of processorpower needed to plow through 30k you need some truly weird mobo. Maybe a task for asrock?

[9mmCensor]

A new video card should do it.

[rick_fx]

A new video card should do it.

Yep!

[Digital Nirvana]

I really dont think it will happen, but Ive seen stranger things I guess....

[Peen]

Geforze, Theres a point where it just wont go no more. Think of a Geforce256 with lets say a 1ghz AMD Tbird. Its gunna get ..... well i dunno, but then say u used a 4ghz A64. That score probly wont move 1 pt. well you get the idea

[shafty]

food for thought, whats it gonna take for 30k on a ti4200(or any geforce4)


I would say a act of god.

;)

[slavik]

Actually most games will be single core optimised, the "good" part comes where everything BUT the game can run on a separate core, so windows and other programs in the background can use the other core, almost like the game getting a dedicated CPU like on consoles :)


dont forget that 2k1 is single threaded ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

it will take a lot! first of all 450mhz g4ti is gonna happen, second the cards are getting a lower and lower boost from more cpu and bandwidth the higher you get...

the requirements are not linear.



the record is 430/820 by Mr. icee back in the days with a prometeia or did he have casade back then? Not too many people really pushed the ti4200, I wouldnt be supprised to see 450 to 480 core and around 850 ram if someone really pushed it with casdade or ln2. of course the gains are diminishing, a faster cpu helps less and less, but the thing is, will something like 4GHz with a 450MHz ti4200 be enough?


"i think 25k would be an outstanding achievment!"


willing to set this goal? you got the stuff and skills :slobber:


"maybe 3 years later cpus will be that strong to make a gforce4 get 30k but the question is will you find a slot to plug your gforce4 in that years"


I hear there may be a pci-e to agp adaptor and if not, theres an agp verson of the nf4 comming thatll take 90nm cpus and maybe even 65nm down the road ;)


"True... And btw a 3Ghz P4c will never get 30k... Not even on a R700 core or NV90..."


are we talking stock? 30k is possible if nature is high enough cause nature is almost all gpu. 1000fps in nature is worth 20k marks but the thing is there may not be an agp card that advanced


"Quoting yourself sayaa??? Hehe... You need sleep man..."


me likes sleep ;)


"Thats what I would also consider the top acheivable score with an FX chip and some cascade lovin. But really if you have that much CPU grunt and cooling power why would you bother with such an old vid card"


its so much fun as evidenced by your 22.2k attempt which has still stood. think of it as a huge challenge to hit 25k, probably as much as 40k is for todays top cards. If you kill a ti4200, thats like a $70 card. also you can buy several ti4200s and push em all, one will oc the highest.


"Think I couldve gotten 23k with the new memory tweaks and my 3400+ @ 3019 Mhz ... but too late now, the Ti4200 is sold and my CPU & mobo suffered an untimely death"


my consolences, I was looking forward to seeing a 23k score too. Did you get a good price on that ti4200? Id have kept it for the future. Howd your cpu and mobo die :(


"I don't think even a 3.5 ghz FX with a 300 FSB at 1:1 would do the job.
25K maybe, but other then that, I don't see it happening."


3dmark 2001 is very cpu intensive so enough cpu power will keep pushing the score higher. there is a point where the gpu is 100% bottlenecked but no one knows when that is for the ti4200. I know a stock ti200 has a limit of about 10k, maybe 10.5k I gain very little with more cpu clocks, car high doesnt even bulge one tenth of a fps, just both lobbies by a teeny bit. my ti200 oced is still scaling but less and less. 260/540 may have a limit of perhaps 15 or 16k? for fun, I benched my ti4200 at stock and my stock ti4200 is scaling as good as my oced ti500. I am in the low 15k with stock ti4200 now.


"How about |Ricky| and Pedro Rocha trying out a MX420"


Jason hit 8k with his, but the mx420 is a very big bottleneck, I maxed mine out at 5600 marks I think. I can see 9k, maybe 10k with that, all from gpu of course, save for maybe 100-200 from cpu.


"i think it would be difficult. who knows, maybe with dual core cpus coming, it could happend."


3dmark 2001 can only use 1 cpu, its single threaded otherwise everyone would be using dual or cpus in parrallel for that. I would save up for a 16 way system, forget one $800 fx55 cpu, ill just buy 16 semprons at $100 each and ill be many times ahead of one fx, probably 7x to 10x


"Give it a rest Geforce4Ti4200. It's not going to happen. It's like asking if anybody will ever break 10k with a Geforce2 MX."


there is a huge difference between a ti4200 and a geforce2 sir. I dont know if 30k will happen, but I am allowed to talk about it and even speculate what itll take to get there, if possible. I did some math and if it serves me right, Ricky's cpu is capable of 26k marks with a ti4200 at like 460/830 clocks or 25k at low 400 core and about 800 ram.

[spaceman]

STOP LOOKING AT ME! I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT! BUT YOU WONT GET ANY OF MY COFFEE! muhahahahahahahahahahahah

*falls of his chair and sleeps*
Heh heh, this was the best part of this thread. :D

[saaya]

Heh heh, this was the best part of this thread. :D

im glad at least one person read and liked it :D

g4ti, people havent really pushed the 4200, true, but instead people pushed the 4600 ;) and the 4600 is the best gf4 silicon...

i think jason broke 400 gpu without any mods and a prommie on the gpu... so maybe your right and the cards do actually clock even higher. but 30K... as we all said, the gap is closing and there wont be a system to plug that card in sooner or later... and as far as i know there wont be a nf4 with agp slot. pcie is a new bus system, the only way that some manufacturers claim to get agp cards on pcie boards is by modifying the pci bus interface in the southbridge of the chipsets. those "agp" slots will run much lower, have a much lower bandwidth and most important a higher latency than a real agp slot.

so again, i doubt there will be a future platform.

this means you would have to do it on a current platform, and the best we will get for the current plattform is probably the FX59 or FX61 wich will be 90nm and oc to at least what the current FX chips to, so lets asume they reach 4ghz. lets say we get DDR700 DDR1 memory as well that does 350mhz 2.5-3-3.

dont know if thats enough to break 40K with a gf4... as you said, we dont know when the card stops scaling...

this might be a nice and fun project for somebody with a lot of money or already most of the parts in like 1 year. atm i dont think anybody will spend that much money and effort to break 30K with a gf4... but your right, even 25K would stay the top score in the orb forever... and im sure you can reach at least 25K, so it is kinda tempting... :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

Abit KV8-MAX3, A64 3200+ @ 2423Mhz(10x242) on stock AMD air cooling, Retail Ti4800(Ti4200 core) vmodded 1.95v/3.35v @ 425/801 cooled by stock nVentiv MachII (gutted w/no electronic controls)

from our own mr. icee! http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7487785

if he can hit 425 core with a stock macII prom, imagine how high itll go with casade, dry ice or ln2. 450 to 480 is a reasonable range. The ram not much higher, low 800s for sure but core matters much more anyway.

"and as far as i know there wont be a nf4 with agp slot"


thats not what I heard, has anyone heard theres 4 versons of nf4, heck theres even gonna be one for s754 from what I hear!


"this might be a nice and fun project for somebody with a lot of money or already most of the parts in like 1 year. atm i dont think anybody will spend that much money and effort to break 30K with a gf4..."


ti4200s are well under $100 now and OPP, Macci, Ricky, Charlie, Bowman, Mr. Icee, Jason, etc all have super cpus in the low to mid 3GHz range. They already got super high 3dmarks(well north of 30k) with their x800xts at this point all they need to do is buy a ti4200, have fun modding that, stick it in and bench away! I dont have the money or skills for a casade and im not that xtreme either but I can still have the world record on air, once I get winchester, 21k is going down, all on air too :)

[saaya]

no, there wont be an agp version of the nf4. ive checked all news i could find about it (10+)m and there was no mention of an agp version anywhere.

nf4 940 sli+2 opteron cpus
nf4 939 sli
nf4 939
nf4 754

and gf4ti, your dreaming there, see the facts! pciE chipsets have an pciE interface instead of a pci interface. to get pci on those boards at all manufacturers have to use the pci interface on their southbridges.

the only thing i could imagine would be a pciE adapter that is either placed on the board and leads to an agp slot, or on an add in card that plugs into a pciE slot and lets you run an agp card from it.

but i doubt there will be products like this as the whole indurstry is pushing to pciE and the next gen pciE cards that will come out next year will be very fast. and there are very cheap and good performing value and mainstream cards for pciE as well, so there really is no demand for a board or add in card adapter i think.

its not impossible, but its really unlikely. why should spend people with an old agp card that dont have the money to upgrade to pciE money on a high end board (nf4) to use their old agp cards on it when there are cheap cards for pciE that perform better than their old agp cards? and the people with really fast agp cards have enough money to buy an even faster pciE high end card...

all the extra traces and the bridge chip on the mainboard would cost nvidia and mainboard makers a lot to design over a simple pciE solution... but then again, gigabyte and other manufacturers have put some effort into it and built agp slots powered by the pci bus of the southbridge... so maybe we will indeed see it...

oh, and i doubt any of the top players would do it... what they want is the fastest of the fastest and i dont think they have enough free time to play with a gf4, i think they would see that time go wasted even if they reach a new wr with it.

[slavik]

geforce, w/e you are smoking ... don't

PCIe-to-AGP adapter??? do you even realise that you would need a translator chip which would come separate???

your problem is that you are stuck on bad IQ ... get a 9800pro or w/e and be done with it ... TIME TO MOVE ON!!!

[DrJay]

:rotf: Gf4,....thanks for the laughs! Threads like this one (primarily yours) are part of the reason I come here! Very good entertainment!! :ROTF: To me, the fact that you are so friggin' obsessed with somebody (not even yourself) reaching a certain 3dmark score on a ti4200 is hilarious. Thanks again, dude! :lol:

[saaya]

geforce, w/e you are smoking ... don't

PCIe-to-AGP adapter??? do you even realise that you would need a translator chip which would come separate???

your problem is that you are stuck on bad IQ ... get a 9800pro or w/e and be done with it ... TIME TO MOVE ON!!!
its called a bridge chip and can be found on all nvidia pciE cards ;)

but yeah, gf4ti, soeculating is nice and all, but only talking and thinking about something without doing it is lame...

talk and speculate less and clock more :cool:

[Shade00]

"Give it a rest Geforce4Ti4200. It's not going to happen. It's like asking if anybody will ever break 10k with a Geforce2 MX."


there is a huge difference between a ti4200 and a geforce2 sir. I dont know if 30k will happen, but I am allowed to talk about it and even speculate what itll take to get there, if possible. I did some math and if it serves me right, Ricky's cpu is capable of 26k marks with a ti4200 at like 460/830 clocks or 25k at low 400 core and about 800 ram.

I'm hardly stupid, sir. I know there's a big difference. The comparison is still valid, though. The GPU will eventually reach a point where it just can't go anymore.

So, if that 3.6ghz CPU is capable of only 25-26k marks, do you really think a 4ghz A64 will hit 30k? You'd have to keep pumping the core up because the gains would be so minimal from increasing the CPU speed. That core would hit a wall no matter what the cooling.

As others have said, in five years when you get a CPU that fast, you won't be able to use that card anyway.

[Kanavit]

what can a voltmodded G4ti4200@ 450mhz do with null ps 1.x and ps 2.x enabled? plus you can try to force lowest textures in MIP level settings. That coupled with an A64 FX-53@ 3.3ghz, maybe will get 25-26k to be modest.

[G|-|oST]

GF4Ti4200 gets yet another award - for record number of failed attempts of spelling the word "C-A-S-C-A-D-E". Couldn't you get it right at least once? :rolleyes:

[tomz]

GF4Ti4200 gets yet another award - for record number of failed attempts of spelling the word "C-A-S-C-A-D-E". Couldn't you get it right at least once? :rolleyes:
:D

and he got it right once.

FX chip and some cascade lovin.

[slavik]

that's what I said about the translator chip :P

it adds more overhead and if he wants an adapter, I don't see where that chip will be located ... which will also increase tracelengths and latencies ...

etc etc etc ...

also, 30K, WILL NEVER BE DONE!!!

CK8-04 is designed as PCIe solution for A64 CPUs, when nvidia makes a PCIe/AGP chipset, the hell will freeze over ...

nVidia wants to push PCIe really bad, because they have SLI, so they want everyone to have PCIe "with ability" to SLI later on (6800u now, a second one, when they are 100USD, which gives u at least 150% performance ... according to nVidia, performance rise is 192% ...)


its called a bridge chip and can be found on all nvidia pciE cards ;)

but yeah, gf4ti, soeculating is nice and all, but only talking and thinking about something without doing it is lame...

talk and speculate less and clock more :cool:

[saaya]

my bad slavik, i think i got you wrong :p:

[zakelwe]

Well using special relativistic effects you could undoubtably do it. If you managed to accelerate the Earth up to say 0.95c or greater and then leave 3dmark2001 running on a ship that is stationary

No, hold on a minute. Speed up the spaceship and keep the earth stationary.

Err.

:confused:

Actually , how about a LOD of +900 in Rivatuner and the softmod to enable the special hidden 5th pipe ? And speeding up the earth to 0.95c.

Or was it a LOD of -900 ?

:confused:

Oh no ! My perpetual motion machine has stopped. That's twice today.


Regards

Beaker

[saaya]

beaker? wheres andy? lol :lol:

[zakelwe]

beaker? wheres andy? lol :lol:

He's out in the benching palace ( garden shed ) wearing 3 jumpers and trying to get a good score with his persecuted 6800 :D

Sadly his wireless connection to the house is not working and rather than running 3dmark he is spending most of his time doing PING commands :rolleyes:

Regards

Beaker

[saaya]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :lol: :rotf: :ROTF: lololol :p:

take a pic of him! hahahahah :D

[G|-|oST]

:D

and he got it right once.

Well actually thats where he quoted codered, so that doesn't count. :stick: :D

[Shade00]

Well actually thats where he quoted codered, so that doesn't count. :stick: :D

HAHAHA!

[bldegle2]

and T14200's claims to world records. the only reason he holds a record is that he waited until his system was righteous, then benched with an outdated card.

then he makes mention of maybe the 'big guns' buying one for themselves so he can get his jollies off (some supposed record he can't achieve) on something he can't do. why on earth would they want to do that??????????????????????????

where was he back when the ti4200 was the rave???? benching for supposed world records, doubtfull.

it is unfair, IMHO, to claim records now with far superior components in the rig and an outdated vid card..............................

i am happy with my lowly 9800NP, flashed to a PRO, running 418/372 and scoring 22,422 in 3dmark 01 and 2702 in 3dmark 05. it hurts to watch the frame rates drop to 1 or 2 during the bench though..........................

baldy :D

[Shade00]

Your 9800 sucks compared to his 9500, though. :rolleyes:

[slavik]

I am sure OPP, Mr ICee or other cascade users (Macci) can take a GF3 and start a race to 25k with that ...


Your 9800 sucks compared to his 9500, though. :rolleyes: