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Jacke2k
05-11-2005, 10:56 PM
Jacke2k, have you tried moving the AGP frequency from 66 to 67? I have heard this helps for some K8N Neo2's.

My first post here and really like this forum :) yeaa I'v tryed that one to =(.
Feels like I'v tryed every thing you can do and nothing works.
Mabey should i try them in another system to se if they work ther.

KosiMazaki
05-13-2005, 05:16 AM
This is my first post here but probably not the last a first of all want to apologize for my English it's not perfect :/

On Monday I have put my new rig together and after that my new lovely mobo don’t recognize soundcard. So, the next step was to change the PCI slots but that didn’t help. I change the bios from 1.4 to 1.8 (betas and official), try different Windows. First XP SP2, second XP Pro 64bit but still no soundcard detect :(. On other’s computers the card works fine. I try to put my friend’s same card and still the same…no sound :( Now I’m out of options where can be the problem?

BTW: I did notice that don’t have the other giga LAN in the device manager and when I checked the manual in INTEGRATED PERIPHERALS is something like “onboard Giga LAN” - disable/enable but in my bios don’t have this option. Clearing the CMOS didn’t help, I have leaved him for hole night with no power and cmos clear jumper position and that didn’t work. The same situation is in other bioses.

I have seen here and on other forums that some people have the same problems with this board and Audigy. Is there a solution for this problem?

Here is my spec:

A64 3200 Winchester 0506 EPBW with box cooler for now
MSI K8N Neo2 (here is picture of the NB (http://www.mazak.dami.pl/NB.jpg) ) - 046242 042042 K KOREA
2x 256 PC 3200 Kingston HyperX (BH5) 2.2.2.6 1T @2.85v
Sapphire X800 XTPE
Antec 380
Audigy (On the chip is somthing like that CA0100IAF)
HDD Baracuda VII 120GB PATA 7200
DVDRW Liteon 832S
Windows XP Pro SP2 with all available updates

I asked the same question on MSI forums but no luck :(

Thx for any help
Mazak

Boble76
05-13-2005, 07:49 AM
Too bad :(

I don't have any idea where your problems could be. Do you've the Audigy installation CD and the drivers?

BIOS 1.36b has worked very fine in my Mobo, in that bios you can find integr. audio settings (AC97 disable/enabled)

Hope you get your soundcard to work!

*sorry my English*

Special_K
05-13-2005, 09:57 AM
KosiMazaki - have you disabled onboard sound in BIOS?

do you use front panel also?

winXPx64 recognised audigy card first time in this PC ok - sorry for your problems =/

KosiMazaki
05-13-2005, 10:03 AM
Sure I have the driver installation CD for this card but every time when I try to install an error message appears and says "No Audigy device detected bla bla bla...installation setup will now terminate". The problem is that the mobo can’t detect the soundcard and any other PCI devices like network card.

I think somthing is wrong with this motherboard :( On Monday i wiil send it back to the shop.....sad :(

@Special_K

Don't use front panel and the onboard sound is disabled.

Mitolo
05-13-2005, 01:44 PM
Sure I have the driver installation CD for this card but every time when I try to install an error message appears and says "No Audigy device detected bla bla bla...installation setup will now terminate". The problem is that the mobo can’t detect the soundcard and any other PCI devices like network card.

I think somthing is wrong with this motherboard :( On Monday i wiil send it back to the shop.....sad :(

@Special_K

Don't use front panel and the onboard sound is disabled.

I had the same problem with this mobo when I got my AUDIGY 2 ZS. A clean install of Win XP fixed the problem for me as it said just what you are saying now.

4rory
05-13-2005, 05:03 PM
I got this board it came with bios 1.5, installed my venice today and idle temps are 40~ and load 50~ with Xp-90 and tornado fan, I think bios is reading the temps wrong. Case temps are 23, I have very good case cooling, I need to know what is the best bios for this board and my Ocz Rev.2 which is on its way. Right now I'm on 1.8 and still temp problem.

With bios 1.5 I got it to post at 330fsb didn't try for higher, haven't tried with bios 1.8.

KosiMazaki
05-14-2005, 09:46 AM
I had the same problem with this mobo when I got my AUDIGY 2 ZS. A clean install of Win XP fixed the problem for me as it said just what you are saying now.

Just installed fresh system and nothing changed so in my opinion the PCI slots are dead :P On monday the board is going back to store.

Thx for all the help
Mazak

raydelee
05-14-2005, 09:49 AM
how's is the newer 1.8 bios

neo2
05-15-2005, 01:20 PM
I found that an Audigy only likes the slot right above the communication pci slot (orange slot) any slot other than that. It is not picked up properly after installing it. So if you have an audigy 2 hopefully this tidbit of information helps somebody.

Mitolo
05-15-2005, 01:35 PM
I found that an Audigy only likes the slot right above the communication pci slot (orange slot) any slot other than that. It is not picked up properly after installing it. So if you have an audigy 2 hopefully this tidbit of information helps somebody.

Crazzy as hell cause my AUDIGY 2 ZS loves the ORANGE Slot.

Jacke2k
05-15-2005, 10:22 PM
Crazzy as hell cause my AUDIGY 2 ZS loves the ORANGE Slot. MY Audigy 2 zs works fine in that slot :confused:

TMM
05-15-2005, 10:51 PM
Finally got my neo2 semi-stable (still prime95'ing) @ high HTT. After alot of cursing and confusion i figured that high HTT and 9x multi just doesn't go together on this system :slap:
Oddly enough it worked fine at 300x8 (2400mhz), mem at "166", but it was no-go at 289x9(2601mhz) at the same settings. :confused:

tryed 306x8.5(2601mhz), again mem @ "166" and it seems to be fine :D
The memory is slower since its using a half-multi, but its still better then 260x10, mem "166" :toast:

Either the cpu doesn't like 9x, or the motherboard doesn't like 285-295htt... weird.

shmaa
05-16-2005, 03:37 PM
Ok.. this is my first experience with K8 and it's not going so good..

Problem 1: Board will NOT run in dual channel... it will post in dual channel maybe 2 out of 100 times.. and when it does get past post, it restarts on the windows load.

Problem 2: Can you not select a divider on this board? I have the chip running at 300x9, 3x HT... but the only place it will post is with the max dram clock on 133... the ram is actually running at 193mhz according to CPUZ. This is with a pair of mushkin BH5's with the vdimm set to 2.85V.

I am so frustrated with this board right now.

NeForce
05-16-2005, 06:55 PM
I have the same problem, is it the bios or the mobo is fuct? I thought the ram was suppose to lock at a certain speed set.

sideeffect
05-18-2005, 02:55 PM
Ive been messing around with the neo 2 and a san diego 3700. It doesnt like the 3 x htt multi at all and most of the dividers are also glitchy. 1:1 works best for me with 4 x HTT. Also the memory timings need a lot of fiddling with to make the system stable.

Running at 260 x 11 at the moment prime stable.

3700+ (2866mhz) @ 1.5v
2x 512 ballistix dual channel 1t 260 fsb 2.5-3-3-10 (work in progress)
msi neo 2 platinum 1.8 bios
vapochill PE

I think we need a new bios for these san diegos to really see their maximum but im quite happy with the neo 2 :)

Deus Falsus
05-18-2005, 04:44 PM
this board is 50-50 in terms of success. For me it's been great and hasn't crashed since november 2k4 running it at 300mhz 1:1 with Gskill tccd and an early version of the 3000+ winchester. That is unless I'm finding the max OC of a new cpu, then I will obviously crash it. I too have an audigy2 zs card and have no problems with it in any slot. The only negative remark I have is the board's placement of the IDE and power connectors being too close. The other remark would be the uselessness of sata ports 1 and 2, but that's a harware limitation. Now I wouldn't recommend this board to everyone because half the pople I have recommended it have gotten DUD boards and pretty much blame me for it. Such is the way of life.

BY THE WAY, does anyone know if the OCZ 625mhz DFI edition memory works well with this mobo.

Marvin
05-18-2005, 05:11 PM
i have got a ¨good¨ board too.
works great at 300 Ht without problems...

rhindle
05-20-2005, 07:42 AM
Great thread as I am considering getting this board as I just got a 6800GT AGP and want to upgrade to A64 from an XP. I have read numerous posts about the Neo2 and Antec power supplies and saw the tip about turning the power supply off when powering down, etc. I don't really want to buy another ps just so I can run this board. Do MOST people who have an Antec ps have problems and what kind of problems do they have? I am not very excited about powering off my ps every time I turn my pc off, but there aren't really any other options for 939 AGP boards right now until the DFI comes out (if ever).

Anyone have any more inside on Antec ps and the Neo2? Would you go with the Neo2 if you had an Antec?

Thanks!

Rhindle

BMORIN
05-20-2005, 01:04 PM
Anyone using the 183 divider (a64 tweaker) STABLE with cas2 ram?

Whenever I force the board to the 183 divider it deosn't like it. It won't let my 2x512 mushkin redline get over 245 in superpi (it can do 270). It works just fine at the 166 divider (after putting in 1:1 timings), but not 183. I'm using 1.36b bios.

Anyone?

STEvil
05-20-2005, 03:57 PM
try using cas 2.5 since there is little to no performance penalty

BowedToothDoc
05-20-2005, 04:51 PM
What sort of CPU temps are too high?
The default in core center is around 80C.
I thought a CPU would fry at that temp.
I am totally air cooled and don't want to burn up my CPU.

BMORIN
05-20-2005, 05:01 PM
What sort of CPU temps are too high?
The default in core center is around 80C.
I thought a CPU would fry at that temp.
I am totally air cooled and don't want to burn up my CPU.

I wouldn't go any higher than 55c. Run prime95 to see how hot your cpu gets

Napoleonic
05-20-2005, 10:31 PM
questions

1. which is the best bios for venice?
2. when will there be a new official bios? wasn't it 1.8 only BETA?
3. I look in everest, maximum HT link only 800! --> AMD hammer HT Tech Config

4. I got BSOD said something wrong with IRQ.....what was that exactly? that was with 1.5 official BIOS, I'm currently using 1.8mod

sideeffect
05-21-2005, 04:28 AM
questions

1. which is the best bios for venice?
2. when will there be a new official bios? wasn't it 1.8 only BETA?
3. I look in everest, maximum HT link only 800! --> AMD hammer HT Tech Config

4. I got BSOD said something wrong with IRQ.....what was that exactly? that was with 1.5 official BIOS, I'm currently using 1.8mod


1.8 is official and is on the msi website http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=607&kind=1

Im using the official as 1.8mod seemed to cause temperature errors still. 1.8 official seems very stable for me on my san diego so try that.

Was that with version 2.0 of everest or the older version? It reads it correctly for me. If i remember right 1.8mod bios sets HTT to 4x in bios, it should be 5x if you are running at 200 mhz ram speed then you will get your 1000.

The Irq conflict could be lots of things. Go into integrated peripherals and disable anything u dont use like serial ports and lan etc. Look in System information which can be found in accessories/system tools. Click hardware Resources then IRQS. It will show you if devices are sharing an IRQ. You can move your pci devices to other slots to change their IRQ's or set it in bios.

Napoleonic
05-21-2005, 04:34 AM
it is everest ver 1.51 :D should I use the newest?

tripod
05-21-2005, 04:40 AM
I can't seem to overclock my msi neo 2/venice 3200 past 2300..as soon as i hit 2300 the pc reboots (using clockgen)

settings

agressive timings Dis
dynamic overclock Dis
HTT3
Cool n Quite disabled
CPU ratio x10
FSB 225
AGP 67
CPU vid 1.45v
CPU volt By CPU VID
mem voly auto
agp 1.5v
mem clock auto
mem timings 1T

ive tried changing the HTT to 4 and that doesnt make a difference and tried dropping the CPU ration to x9 but still as soon as i reach 2300 pc reboots.

I have 1 gig value corsair 2.5 cas

Anyone got any ideas why?

sideeffect
05-21-2005, 04:41 AM
yes always better to use the newest version. I edited my last post with somethings about IRQs. Its possible that a sound card can cause irq conflits as well to fix that you can change the pci latency setting using something like powerstrip.

sideeffect
05-21-2005, 04:49 AM
Tripod try ralaxing your ram timings and using 2t command then raise the fsb and run prime 95 to see if the cpu is stable. That way you can find the cpu limits rather than memory. Use 4x HTT and the 166 ram divider doesnt work well at all so set it to 200 or 133.

tripod
05-21-2005, 05:41 AM
Tripod try ralaxing your ram timings and using 2t command then raise the fsb and run prime 95 to see if the cpu is stable. That way you can find the cpu limits rather than memory. Use 4x HTT and the 166 ram divider doesnt work well at all so set it to 200 or 133.

Excellent, thanks mate..I new it would be something simple,I searched for ages in the forums, perhaphs i didnt understand all the lingo and what to change its upto 2600 now...and im sure there is room for more.

TMM
05-21-2005, 07:18 AM
ive tried changing the HTT to 4 and that doesnt make a difference and tried dropping the CPU ration to x9 but still as soon as i reach 2300 pc reboots.
You probably need more cpu voltage


I have the same problem, is it the bios or the mobo is fuct? I thought the ram was suppose to lock at a certain speed set.
The speeds are simply a guide to what speed the ram runs at when the FSB/HTT = 200.

Also, what ram slots do you have your ram in? 1&2 (closest slots to the cpu) seem to work far better then slots 3&4.

Btw, got my board rock solid at 308HTT :clap: And ram @ 238, 2.5-3-3-6 which gives me 7000/6900 in SiSoft Sandra, so im happy :)

BMORIN
05-21-2005, 11:56 AM
Hey, is there a bios that lets you put in the full list of ram timings? I'm using 1.36b and I hate having to open up a64 tweaker to put in my timings after every reboot.

Napoleonic
05-21-2005, 06:03 PM
yes always better to use the newest version. I edited my last post with somethings about IRQs. Its possible that a sound card can cause irq conflits as well to fix that you can change the pci latency setting using something like powerstrip.
I'm using onboard sound :D

btw I noticed lower temp reading with 1.8mod BIOS :) but maybe only 1-2 celcius


Click hardware Resources then IRQS. It will show you if devices are sharing an IRQ

click in hardware resources where? windows control panel?

TMM
05-21-2005, 08:15 PM
Right click my computer > manage > device manager > View > resources by type > Expand interupt request

sideeffect
05-22-2005, 12:46 AM
I'm using onboard sound :D

btw I noticed lower temp reading with 1.8mod BIOS :) but maybe only 1-2 celcius



click in hardware resources where? windows control panel?

made a picture for you showing where it is http://www.swjka.com/pic.jpg

!.8mod used to have temperature freezes for me where the sensor would stop showing the temp changes but that was at minus degrees.

sideeffect
05-22-2005, 01:09 AM
A great sytem monitor tool is being made by the wizzard who was the brains behind the ATI softmods.

http://www.techpowerup.com/systool/

It reads the +12 volt line correctly like the bios shows it. Speedfan and mbm show a higher reading than it is with the neo 2. It also has the functions of a64 tweaker and nforce3 tweaker, ATi and nvidia overclocking, HDD acoustic management and some benchmarking. :clap: :clap:

Rocks hard

Napoleonic
05-22-2005, 01:47 AM
made a picture for you showing where it is http://www.swjka.com/pic.jpg

!.8mod used to have temperature freezes for me where the sensor would stop showing the temp changes but that was at minus degrees.

thanx, but it says all OK......ah just forget it :D until next time I get bsod

mustrum
05-22-2005, 04:13 AM
Is upping AGP voltage to 1.65v safe still. It helps my TCCD to run stable at DDR570 but i am a bit concerned about my graphics card. Will 1.65v fry it over time?

Jonas
05-22-2005, 04:25 AM
can ocz ddr booster works with this mobo at 3.6~3.8V rock stable?

Napoleonic
05-22-2005, 07:00 AM
@mustrum, wasn't there a GPU hardware monitor? but I don't know if AGP voltage could help RAM or Chipset more stable as spoken by some people

mustrum
05-22-2005, 07:04 AM
@mustrum, wasn't there a GPU hardware monitor? but I don't know if AGP voltage could help RAM or Chipset more stable as spoken by some people
GPU hardwaremonitor shows temperatures, chip clocks and GPU voltage - not AGP voltage though.
I decided aginst this though and run on vagp 1.5v (stock) and a divider on the memory. Still 7k in sandra memorybench wich is more than enough i think. ;)

NeForce
05-22-2005, 05:46 PM
I finally flashed my bios (to 1.36 modded) aand it has helped alot. I am running at 280 FSB x 9 and it seems stable so far. I am itching to get some better ram, the 3 sticks of corsair don't get along very well. They didn't in my previous board (NF7-S) either; 2x256 (434mhz) and 1x512 (500). In this board with all in various different ram banks and running on a 133 ram divider it will not even post. This is with very relaxed timings. I think it is not so much the boards fault because the 500mhz stick wouldn't run above ~ 200mhz with the other two in my Abit. Could this 512 stick be a BH5? Its about a year old....

sideeffect
05-23-2005, 01:26 PM
I finally flashed my bios (to 1.36 modded) aand it has helped alot. I am running at 280 FSB x 9 and it seems stable so far. I am itching to get some better ram, the 3 sticks of corsair don't get along very well. They didn't in my previous board (NF7-S) either; 2x256 (434mhz) and 1x512 (500). In this board with all in various different ram banks and running on a 133 ram divider it will not even post. This is with very relaxed timings. I think it is not so much the boards fault because the 500mhz stick wouldn't run above ~ 200mhz with the other two in my Abit. Could this 512 stick be a BH5? Its about a year old....


Hi neforce, 3 sticks of ram will never run as well as 2 sticks. For best results your supposed to use matched pairs. Same size and make. If you need more memory buy another 512 stick or if you just want the speed use the 2x 256mb alone.

Athlon 64 memory controller ussually works better with just 2 memory modules that are single sided and matched. 256mb sticks generally clock to higher fsb than 512mb.

G H Z
05-23-2005, 01:26 PM
So you don't match ram slot colors with this board? Thats weird because it says clearly on the board that Channel A is one color and Channel B is the other. If slot 1 & 2 is best has anyone even tried pairing ram in matching colored slots ie 1 & 3?

I did vio mod, now 3.6v stable vdim but only 237mhz out of BH-5 so far. I need to figure out what the problem is.

Garrett
05-23-2005, 01:41 PM
So you don't match ram slot colors with this board? Thats weird because it says clearly on the board that Channel A is one color and Channel B is the other. If slot 1 & 2 is best has anyone even tried pairing ram in matching colored slots ie 1 & 3?

I did vio mod, now 3.6v stable vdim but only 237mhz out of BH-5 so far. I need to figure out what the problem is.I've never tried 1&3, just 1&2, runs just fine, 8x325 (2.6ghz) on a winnie 3000+ with the divider @ 166---> memory @ 260, sandra reports >7000mb/s mem speed :)

G H Z
05-23-2005, 01:55 PM
I've never tried 1&3, just 1&2, runs just fine, 8x325 (2.6ghz) on a winnie 3000+ with the divider @ 166---> memory @ 260, sandra reports >7000mb/s mem speed :)

I'm getting that same bandwidth @ 2.6ghz with mem @ 237mhz no divider. I'm also gonna try some other slot config's tonight as 237mhz on BH-5 is just wrong :slapass:

FlyingHamster
05-23-2005, 05:42 PM
If slot 1 & 2 is best has anyone even tried pairing ram in matching colored slots ie 1 & 3?

the majority of ppl here use slots 1 & 3. havent tried 1 & 2.. wonder if it would help :rolleyes:

P_1
05-23-2005, 06:39 PM
the majority of ppl here use slots 1 & 3. havent tried 1 & 2.. wonder if it would help :rolleyes:
the diff colors stand for different channels hence putting them in 1 and 2 = dual channel since the rams are both on different channels. :fact:

STEvil
05-23-2005, 07:06 PM
should try 2&3.

sideeffect
05-24-2005, 09:37 AM
Yes when i first got the board i put them in slot 1 and 3 like you would on a nforce 2 but it set single channel. So i use 1 and 2 but may try 3 and 4 at some point.

Just tried the 1.36b bios with my sandy and it didnt like it at all :p wouldnt boot windows at 290htt so im back to 1.8 which is stable at 290 +

I use Crucial ballistix anyone got any tips on best bios or best memory settings for them?

NeForce
05-24-2005, 01:02 PM
I started doing some websearching to see what chips the XMS4000PT (ddr500) stick would have. The stick is fuct overall , IMO - it won't work way underclocked with the other 2 256 sticks and even under 200mhz it wouldn't run below CAS3. Anyways I read that the ddr500 stick usually had Hynix and looked abit further into the post and found that XMS3500 (and maybe 3200) used all sort of different chips , including Winbond BH-5. Curiousity got the best of me and I started peeling back the heatspreaders. Both 256 sticks are BH5 and the dd500 looks to be samsung. Finally getting somewhere now, running apparently stable at 2.4ghz ,(edit) 9x270, ram very underclocked (173mhz) 1.5,2,2,4,7
I will need to do the vRam mod soon

G H Z
05-24-2005, 11:17 PM
Found my problem :D

SATA ports 1 & 2 are bad bad mojo :slapass:

Napoleonic
05-25-2005, 12:21 AM
do clockgen not compatible with neo2 plat???
http://www.cpuid.org/clockgen.php

I don't see NF3 ultra / neo2plat listed there

:confused:

will it safe to use?

Garrett
05-25-2005, 08:03 AM
do clockgen not compatible with neo2 plat???
http://www.cpuid.org/clockgen.php

I don't see NF3 ultra / neo2plat listed there

:confused:

will it safe to use?I can use it, no problem, I'd be surprised if it doesn't work with your Neo2 ;)

sideeffect
05-25-2005, 08:04 AM
do clockgen not compatible with neo2 plat???
http://www.cpuid.org/clockgen.php

I don't see NF3 ultra / neo2plat listed there

:confused:

will it safe to use?

yes its safe to use the nforce3 ultra is just a nforce3 250 on a 939 socket. So works just fine.

G H Z
05-25-2005, 08:48 AM
do clockgen not compatible with neo2 plat???
http://www.cpuid.org/clockgen.php

I don't see NF3 ultra / neo2plat listed there

:confused:

will it safe to use?

Look down a little further and you will find this ;)

http://www.cpuid.org/cg.php?cgid=NVNF3

Jonas
05-26-2005, 11:14 AM
ocz booster works well on this mobo at 3.5~3.7?????? rock stable, with active cooling in mems

Waffles
05-27-2005, 02:41 PM
so yea.. i just got this mobo a few days ago, and i'm in the market for new ram.. what would you guys suggest? my budget is whatever i have to spend. i also plan on upgrading to either a 3700 or 4000 san diego soon

i was thinking maybe some crucial pc4000 or maybe some gskill le. :confused:

harpyboy
05-27-2005, 05:28 PM
guys guys... my first post at this lengthy thread..

one quick question... is there any BIOS mod that can unhide all the RAM timing ? My corsair doesn't POST when used with divider 133 or 166... due to the tighter trc trfc timing... i don't really have the cash now to get new RAMs.... and i find it a little hassle to use A64 tweaker all the time.......

sideeffect
05-27-2005, 11:56 PM
so yea.. i just got this mobo a few days ago, and i'm in the market for new ram.. what would you guys suggest? my budget is whatever i have to spend. i also plan on upgrading to either a 3700 or 4000 san diego soon

i was thinking maybe some crucial pc4000 or maybe some gskill le. :confused:


Hi I use Crucial ballistix 4000 with this board and it does work well but i doupt its as good as the gskill. With the Crucial Ballisitix it will do 250 2.5-2-2-8 @ 2.85 volts and max of about 265 at lower timings.

CD 1986
05-28-2005, 08:25 AM
guys guys... my first post at this lengthy thread..

one quick question... is there any BIOS mod that can unhide all the RAM timing ? My corsair doesn't POST when used with divider 133 or 166... due to the tighter trc trfc timing... i don't really have the cash now to get new RAMs.... and i find it a little hassle to use A64 tweaker all the time.......

Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible to access all the RAM timings within the bios with this board. There must be a way to mod the bios to change the timings however. Ideally, it would be best to copy the timings for the 1:1 ratio for all the dividers so that they would all post...i wish i knew how to do this, but there must be a bios modder out there who can help! :stick:

Waffles
05-28-2005, 09:05 AM
Hi I use Crucial ballistix 4000 with this board and it does work well but i doupt its as good as the gskill. With the Crucial Ballisitix it will do 250 2.5-2-2-8 @ 2.85 volts and max of about 265 at lower timings.
uh.... 2.5-2-2-8 @ 250 is nice... very nice imo at least. i hope that's enough to get all i can out of a san diego :confused:

sideeffect
05-28-2005, 09:37 AM
uh.... 2.5-2-2-8 @ 250 is nice... very nice imo at least. i hope that's enough to get all i can out of a san diego :confused:

Well it is enough to do 1:1 if you plan on using the san diego on air and aiming for 2750 mhz or so does 250 x 11 for me on air nicely. But im using a vapochill now and id like to go higher 1:1 with tight timings that why i wouldnt buy ballistix now.

Hope that makes sence, they are good ram modules just not the best

CD 1986
05-28-2005, 10:37 AM
The latest v1.8f bios is up on lejabeech....supposed to fix the temperature bug; it has on my system. :)

I was going to upload a modded version, but the file is too big (200kb is too small for a max upload size!!!). As well as the usual unhide features mod, i decided to change the default settings so that i wouldn't have to reset them all everytime i cleared the CMOS etc.. Works nicely for me; now i just press "optimised bios defaults" and my settings are just how i want them!

This is also the 1st bios to let my Patriot TCCD break 300mhz! Admittedly using 2T mode, but 1T will follow soon i hope. ;) I wish MSI would add all the memory timing options into the bios, so we could change them from there. A64tweaker is not ideal.

Waffles
05-28-2005, 10:40 AM
Well it is enough to do 1:1 if you plan on using the san diego on air and aiming for 2750 mhz or so does 250 x 11 for me on air nicely. But im using a vapochill now and id like to go higher 1:1 with tight timings that why i wouldnt buy ballistix now.

Hope that makes sence, they are good ram modules just not the best
i am not in a financial position to buy phase change, so air and water will be my thing. (i'm only 16) was kinda hopin for 2.8-3.0 tho :-/

tAmp0i
05-28-2005, 07:19 PM
Anyone with Venice/Sandy has problem working with bios 1.36b modded? Any symptom like unable to boot or so forth?

Waffles
05-28-2005, 07:58 PM
so in you guys' opinions, would the gskill le pc4400 or ocz pc5000 be better?

sideeffect
05-28-2005, 11:43 PM
Anyone with Venice/Sandy has problem working with bios 1.36b modded? Any symptom like unable to boot or so forth?


This bios works with the san diego but It doesnt seem to perform as well as the 1.8 bios.

BobTheDinosaur
05-29-2005, 05:13 AM
i hear there some problems with the sata ports 1 and 2 on this board
i also had the problem where it would say missing operating system when i tried to boot
i didn't goto 3 and 4 tho,i used partition magic and made the logical drive on the first section of the disk ( i use 2 partitions) and the primary partition on the end section of the disk and it worked, does this maybe have something to do with that 1024 booot limit thing?
does enabling raid also solve it?
and is using slots1 or 2 going to degrade system performance or can i just leave it
thanks!

-n7-
05-29-2005, 09:34 AM
Bob, SATA ports 1 & 2 are not locked, meaning you will experience instability & data corruption if OCing.

Use the Silicon Image SATA ports (above the AGP slot).

G H Z
05-29-2005, 10:37 AM
You won't have a problem with ports 1 & 2 until your over 235mhz or there abouts.

sideeffect
05-29-2005, 12:01 PM
so in you guys' opinions, would the gskill le pc4400 or ocz pc5000 be better?


Waffles there is a article here about the neo2 and high performance memory

http://www.rhcf.com/sisubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/21/69.html

Hopefully it might help you.

harpyboy
05-29-2005, 06:58 PM
The latest v1.8f bios is up on lejabeech....supposed to fix the temperature bug; it has on my system. :)

I was going to upload a modded version, but the file is too big (200kb is too small for a max upload size!!!). As well as the usual unhide features mod, i decided to change the default settings so that i wouldn't have to reset them all everytime i cleared the CMOS etc.. Works nicely for me; now i just press "optimised bios defaults" and my settings are just how i want them!

This is also the 1st bios to let my Patriot TCCD break 300mhz! Admittedly using 2T mode, but 1T will follow soon i hope. ;) I wish MSI would add all the memory timing options into the bios, so we could change them from there. A64tweaker is not ideal.


How does 1.8F differ from the 1.8mod ? The readme file still says 4/12/2005... does anyone else flashed this BIOS ?

BobTheDinosaur
05-30-2005, 02:39 AM
hi, i got the default version of 1.8 for this mobo, and it doesn't have a mem divider!
where do i get the other versions from? (sorry i'm a noob :)

thanks!

sideeffect
05-30-2005, 03:16 AM
How does 1.8F differ from the 1.8mod ? The readme file still says 4/12/2005... does anyone else flashed this BIOS ?


The 1.8F is the official bios and is the same as the 1.8 version on msi website.

The 1.8mod was made just after but is basically the same with just the options showing so u dont have to unlock them with shift F2 ALT F3

They are working on the mod and beta bios at this website (English Translation)

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.msi-forum.de/board.php%3Fboardid%3D3%26sid%3De31f2d6ab224f15b0e e0134b4ee70d6c&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1.8mod%2Bk8n%2Bneo%2B2%2Bbios%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

sideeffect
05-30-2005, 03:21 AM
hi, i got the default version of 1.8 for this mobo, and it doesn't have a mem divider!
where do i get the other versions from? (sorry i'm a noob :)

thanks!

The memory dividers are in the cell menu under Dram configuration. 200 = 1:1 166=5:6 etc etc

http://www.rhcf.com/sisubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/21/87.html

Sonic9
05-30-2005, 06:17 AM
Hi all, I have a question:
In MemTest 3.2 (cdrom ...) , my chipset is detected as nForce3 250 ??
It's normal ? sure I have the socket 939 msi neo2 platinum ...

thanks for secure me :bounce:

Goodbye.

BobTheDinosaur
05-30-2005, 09:08 AM
thanks side-effect
soooo 200 is 1:1
166 5:6
and the rest? (sorry i'm unfamiliar with mem dividers)

thanks!

sideeffect
05-30-2005, 09:30 AM
Dont use 1.52 mod bios with a san diego or venice it doesnt work at all need to hotflash now :)

CD 1986
05-30-2005, 12:34 PM
Best to use the official 1.8 for venice / sandiego IMO.

200 = 1:1
166 = 5:6
133 = 2:3
100 = 1:2

You can also get the 183 divider (9:10) using A64 Tweaker :)

harpyboy
05-30-2005, 12:50 PM
changing the divider will result in tighter RAM timing which are not accessible thru BIOS settings.... e.g TRC TRFC TWTR... that is why some rams out there won't be able to run the K8N neo2 divider.... e.g like my Corsair PC3200LL which i bought 2+ years ago...

A64 is the way to go.... until MSI do something about locking the RAM timing regardless of dividers.... (why didn't they do that in the first place?.. )

Garrett
05-30-2005, 01:01 PM
I run my Venice 3000+ @ 9x311 for 24/7 usage @ 1.53v :)

I use 2x256 BH5 and the 166 divider, ~255 is the result.

No problems there, however when I pop in my UTT 2x512 sticks (they can do 260, I've tested them) then I cannot run a HTT over 270... :( and it doesn't matter if I use a divider or what :(

It must be the MSI board, since an acquaintance of mine can run his Venice @ over 300 HTT with the 166 divider with Mushkin Redline sticks (2x512) with his DFI...

Anyone else encountered this problem?

CD 1986
05-30-2005, 04:03 PM
Might be a problem as mentioned above with the memory timings. If you can boot into windows ok using the 166 divider (or which ever divider you need to get your memory under 260mhz, since that is its max speed), use A64 Tweaker to set the 2nd and 3rd values to 12 and 14 respectively (Trc & Trfc)...then you might be able to run the memory at an HTT of over 270. :)

Garrett
05-30-2005, 04:28 PM
Maybe a modded bios could help me ;) *hint* lol :D
I'm sure a bios guru could mod those timings for me? :thumbsup:

Jacke2k
05-31-2005, 08:17 AM
I'm goning to by a venice can i use the 1.36b bios or do I need a later one ?

sideeffect
05-31-2005, 10:41 AM
I'm goning to by a venice can i use the 1.36b bios or do I need a later one ?

From what i heard the 1.36 is the earliest bios that will work with a san diego. Bios files i have tried and work are 1.36mod 1.40 official 1.5xmod 1.8mod 1.8 official.

The only bios i tried that didnt work was 1.52mod and i assume that it maybe uses an earlier romsip from pre 1.36 and thats why it didnt work. The info on the beta and mod bios changes is really bad and a real shock when coming from a DFI motherboard where so many good bios files were modded and every change listed.

I dont think its possible to unlock the extra memory timing in the bios as in another thread Tictac took a look and said it was locked. Tictac knows what hes talking about so i guess its a64 tweaker for us. Or we could pressure msi to release a better bios.

harpyboy
05-31-2005, 09:29 PM
let's get down to a petition for our K8N Neo2 plat !!!!!!

LittleDevil
06-01-2005, 02:31 AM
Hello

I have gor realy probems whits ram divider... If i set CPU 300*9 and ram 100 is fine, but If i set CPU 300*9 and ram 133 or 166 motherboard don't boot.

If i chage this settings in windows whith A64 Tweaker my system freeze and restart...

I am using ddr booster and TwinMos Speed Premium 1AA4T...

What's wrong?

I try 1.8mod, 136mod....

tnx

CD 1986
06-01-2005, 06:07 AM
You most likely can't use the 133 or 166 divider due to the tighter timings they use. Which version of A64 Tweaker are you using? I'd recommend 0.31 for stability.

If you haven't already tried, boot into windows using the 100 divider in the bios, and then change the memclock to the divider you'd like, and Trc and Trfc timings to 12 and 14 respectively. Then try saving those changes and apply them every time windows starts. Make sure the basic timings are set correctly for what you want in the bios, so you don't have to change them in windows. Also, what voltage are you giving your memory?

BobTheDinosaur
06-01-2005, 08:23 AM
ummmm what's a ddr booster?

sideeffect
06-01-2005, 09:18 AM
There has been many posts here about the tighter timings causing the post problems with dividers on venice/san diego but it just isnt true. At least its not settings that Athlon 64 tweaker can change. I have a custom startup profile for my timings and the ram just wont work well with 166 or 183 divider but works fine in 1:1.

I think its the changes in the memory controller on the cpu that is causing this and a better bios will fix it hopefully....

harpyboy
06-01-2005, 11:46 AM
There has been many posts here about the tighter timings causing the post problems with dividers on venice/san diego but it just isnt true. At least its not settings that Athlon 64 tweaker can change. I have a custom startup profile for my timings and the ram just wont work well with 166 or 183 divider but works fine in 1:1.

I think its the changes in the memory controller on the cpu that is causing this and a better bios will fix it hopefully....

well i think it is not true .. ( i meant what you had said)
if u r one of them who can run 133 and 166 divider... run them and see what stock timing they put in A64 tweaker...

trc and trfc are at very very tight timing at 133 166 divider... just changing them will allow the most ram to run....

sideeffect
06-01-2005, 12:03 PM
well i think it is not true .. ( i meant what you had said)
if u r one of them who can run 133 and 166 divider... run them and see what stock timing they put in A64 tweaker...

trc and trfc are at very very tight timing at 133 166 divider... just changing them will allow the most ram to run....

Yes I know they run a tighter stock timing and i changed them back and tried all other series of timings. 166 divider wont run my memory above 215 where as 1:1 goes all the way up to 265.

harpyboy
06-01-2005, 12:22 PM
do u mean that with 166 divider... no matter wat timing u change in A64.. u can't go above 215mhz ?

BMORIN
06-01-2005, 01:27 PM
Yes I know they run a tighter stock timing and i changed them back and tried all other series of timings. 166 divider wont run my memory above 215 where as 1:1 goes all the way up to 265.
Hmm, whenever I use the EXACT same a64 tweaker timings for 1:1 & the 166, my ram runs EXACTLY the same.

harpyboy
06-01-2005, 05:20 PM
so how sure it is actually that there are timings which A64 tweaker can't see ?

actually im alreadi quite sure that all in A64T is all tat is there....

CD 1986
06-02-2005, 06:35 AM
On a slightly different note, i've just sent off a request to MSI to add these "advanced timings" into the bios, so they can be adjusted in the bios directly rather than from windows using A64 Tweaker. Since these timings are adjustable in windows, it must be possible to adjust them from the bios!

Of course, i don't expect anything to be done about it from my single request. But what if enough people were to put there names forward for such a request? Would that be a worthwhile effort or a waste of time? To my mind, it's the advanced timings available in the DFI nforce3/4 boards that set them apart from other similar boards. If the Neo2 were to have these options available also, it might be just as OCable as the DFI itself! *Wishful thinking may be, but you know what i'm getting at...* ;)

BMORIN
06-02-2005, 10:26 AM
Agreed

BobTheDinosaur
06-02-2005, 11:44 AM
i doubt MSI will do anything a customer requests
i contacted them about this high-pitched noise this mobo makes (which i discovered thanks to these forums is caused by unpainted coils behind the network and usb ports) and they said, "your PSU and USB dongle are experiencing EM interference, get a new PSU and call us in the morning"

so anyway enuff ranting

i don't know squat about memory timings, could someone educate me?
what's tight timings and what's relaxed timings? i run my ram at 166 while i oc my cpu cos my ram won't oc at all so i can't run it at 200, maybe if i knew how to relax the timings i could get it to oc, also, when i set my ram to 166 i can still change the timings in my bios v1.8 (not that i know what to change them too)

help!

CD 1986
06-02-2005, 12:18 PM
Ok, basically the bigger the numbers, the more relaxed the timing, the slower the performance of the memory. This means that if you set the basic memory timings in the bios to 2.0-2-2-5 (tight timings) your memory will perform faster than say at 2.5-3-3-7 (looser timings) when at the same clockspeed. These basic timings are the ones that can be changed from within the Neo2 bios now.

However, the tighter the timings used, the less room there is to increase the speed of the memory, so it's about getting the best compromise between high raw speed (in mhz) and timings that are not so loose that you will lose any performance gained by increasing the raw speed.

Below is a screenshot from the windows utility "A64 Tweaker" which enables you to change other memory timings which aren't shown in the bios. Having access to this timings can help to improve your memory's stability when overclocking. The problem is that since on this MSI board you cannot change these timings until you enter windows, you might not be able to get the stability that you otherwise could if these timings could be set directly from the bios. That is what I, and many others, would like to see implemented into a future Neo2 bios...getting it implemented on the other hand, is an entirely different matter! ;)

On the pic below, the numbers / timings i've (tried) to circle in red are those which are given in the bios as the moment, whereas the rest aren't. Those are the timings it would be useful to change within the bios. :)

sideeffect
06-02-2005, 01:48 PM
Yes those timings plus the 1T 2T command back for san diegos and the vcore voltages back like 1.36b. Oh and a 3.5 HT multi :p and the 183 and 150 dividers showing up in bios would be good to. Get to work MSI :slapass:

CD 1986
06-02-2005, 02:28 PM
Yeh those too! :D Although i think it is possible to activate the half HT multipliers on the current bioses. :)

harpyboy
06-02-2005, 02:39 PM
a little fix up on the sensors will be good too..

CD 1986
06-02-2005, 03:23 PM
I'd rather see the extra things added first though, since (hopefully!) issues such as sensor readout are being continually tuned and refined by the MSI bios team. ;)

CD 1986
06-02-2005, 05:20 PM
I would now like to show you MSI's official response to my request. I think they must have an auto-response for whenever they see the words Venice and bios appear on the same page:

"The full testing will be done for the Venice and San Diego Core processor by end of this month which then if the board pass all tests, we will release a bios update."

This is a truly amazing response, since i never even mentioned the venice / san diego issues in my e-mail! The only time i put Venice down was when i listed what CPU i had!!! Not that i expected much, but it would have been nice to actually address my request about the bios! On the plus side, the problems with venice and san diego are being looked in to... :rolleyes: :(

Looks like if we want these extra implementations, it's gonna have to come from a 3rd party modder.

Jacke2k
06-02-2005, 11:40 PM
What are the issues whit the venice/sandiago cores ?

CD 1986
06-03-2005, 04:35 AM
Main issue is that some chips, especially the san diego cores, will only run at a command rate of 2T, and not 1T, in the bios.

sideeffect
06-03-2005, 05:40 AM
Yeh those too! :D Although i think it is possible to activate the half HT multipliers on the current bioses. :)

Yes they have a 2.5 HT multi but not a 3.5. 3.5 being the useful one :p:

sideeffect
06-03-2005, 06:21 AM
Anyone know what model bios savior i need for the neo2 they have 3 plcc models

nweibley
06-03-2005, 07:38 AM
FWIW the latest 1.8 bios has substantially helped my OC and fixed my temperature readings. I'm getting 31C load temps with a slight overvoltage and 30% overclock now. Feels about right when I touch the IHS. I also am hitting speeds I couldn't hit before.

Still not astounding, but 2.4GHz isnt bad for a measly 3000+.

BobTheDinosaur
06-03-2005, 11:37 AM
ok so i've created this excel spreadsheet that helps you calculate every possible FSB and Clock Multiplier Combo for a desired CPU Clock OC speed and i'd like you guys to take a look at it and tell me what u think
feel free to virus check it first if u paranoid :stick:

i'm trying to add a few more things to the sheet (like Vcore etc) but i'd need someone who's really really really good at maths to help me there...

edit:
sorry i was busy posting when the site went down last night

CD 1986
06-03-2005, 04:45 PM
Link?

harpyboy
06-03-2005, 06:34 PM
yeah.. where is the link ???

uniacid
06-04-2005, 12:40 AM
I'm back guys, I've finally picked up a San Diego 3700+ and I've been messing around, so far I've gotten 2.53 which is fine for now since i'm still testing and tweaking, I should try the new MSI bios and see how it runs, also what idle temps whould I be expecting for at least stock speeds?

CD 1986
06-04-2005, 04:16 AM
@BobTheDinosaur

I really like the idea of the drop-down columns! Maybe you could switch the "CPU clock" column to C, so that it is 1st in the list by default. Just makes more sense to me that way. Also, you could try adding a "max multiplier" filter so that only results within a chip's spec come up. :)

@ Uniacid

The latest 1.8 bios is an improvement on previos bioses, so i'd definitely give it a go. Assuming you are using the stock HSF and have good case cooling, idle temps of around 30-35C at stock speeds would be normal IMO. Have you come across the command rate (1T/2T) problem with your san diego and the Neo2?

BobTheDinosaur
06-04-2005, 08:56 AM
ok i moved the cpu clock to column C so it shows up first
i can't put in a filter range for the clock ratio tho cos those values aren't calculated by excel, i had to actually fill in all those values in CPU clock and Ratio manually (a lot of pasting)
so if u want to filter the ratios so that only the ones u can use show then just click on the drop down menu by ratios and click on custom, then choose greater than x and less than x and it'll filter for you...

lemme know if u need help using the menus

uniacid
06-04-2005, 09:02 AM
The latest 1.8 bios is an improvement on previos bioses, so i'd definitely give it a go. Assuming you are using the stock HSF and have good case cooling, idle temps of around 30-35C at stock speeds would be normal IMO. Have you come across the command rate (1T/2T) problem with your san diego and the Neo2?

Which problem is that? also no I am using a water cooling system, mostly DD parts if you read my sig

CD 1986
06-04-2005, 02:07 PM
With some san diegos, the 1T option in the bios is unavailable, but can be changed using A64tweaker.

Finally got my mobo sorted and put in the new Venice. Unfortunately i can't boot at all in dual channel (slots 1&2 or 3&4), but can boot ok in single channel, so hopefully a bios update will fix that. So far at 2.7G after 30 mins playing time, so i'm hoping for 2.8G on air eventually. :)

BobTheDinosaur
06-04-2005, 02:47 PM
CD 1986
how do u get ur cpu running so cool at such high clocks with stock cooling??!!
my 3500+ is running at 2641MHz at about 45C idle and today i hit 74C at max load! and i've got a zalman cnps7000 Cu with loads of case fans

harpyboy
06-04-2005, 09:08 PM
bobthedino: wat BIOS r u using ? room temp ?

mine is running idle 33C ... load 45C ... ofcoz im WCing
but 30 C betweem idle and load is too much imo...

uniacid
06-04-2005, 11:09 PM
With some san diegos, the 1T option in the bios is unavailable, but can be changed using A64tweaker.


in that case yes as I don't see it in bios, is it better to have it set to 2T? I forgot what it was for

Huigie
06-05-2005, 04:42 AM
1T is much faster but make sure to test stability with Memtest thorougly...

BobTheDinosaur
06-05-2005, 05:58 AM
bobthedino: wat BIOS r u using ? room temp ?

mine is running idle 33C ... load 45C ... ofcoz im WCing
but 30 C betweem idle and load is too much imo...

i'm running bios 1.8 official
room temp is about 21-24C depending on how the aircon is feeling, with some cool air coming in thru the window (it's winter here now) my load temp drops to 70C
i should mention this isn't just the cpu under load, it's my ram (which can hit 40C) and heat monster HDD and OCd gfx card all makin the ambient inside the case higher

CD 1986
06-05-2005, 07:10 AM
@Bob

What core is that 3500? And what voltage are you putting through it?

And as for MY setup, i had a slight setback yesterday when it switched off without warning and wouldn't start back up. I switched PSU in case that was the problem, started the system back up...and got a nice puff of smoke and lick of flame that i swear came up from the socket right through the heatsink! System's now dead. I'm just hoping the chip hasn't been damaged! There were no marks on it, the heatsink or the socket, but knowing my luck at the moment it'll have damaged something! :eek: :(

sideeffect
06-05-2005, 07:26 AM
@Bob

What core is that 3500? And what voltage are you putting through it?

And as for MY setup, i had a slight setback yesterday when it switched off without warning and wouldn't start back up. I switched PSU in case that was the problem, started the system back up...and got a nice puff of smoke and lick of flame that i swear came up from the socket right through the heatsink! System's now dead. I'm just hoping the chip hasn't been damaged! There were no marks on it, the heatsink or the socket, but knowing my luck at the moment it'll have damaged something! :eek: :(

I feel your pain. Hope its ok mate :stick:

CD 1986
06-05-2005, 07:45 AM
Yeh, i'm starting to wonder whether i'll have any working components left by the end of the week. If anyone would like to send me some *working* hardware, i'll gladly accept their charity. :p: :D

sideeffect
06-05-2005, 08:37 AM
Yeh, i'm starting to wonder whether i'll have any working components left by the end of the week. If anyone would like to send me some *working* hardware, i'll gladly accept their charity. :p: :D

I have a P3 450mhz you can have it plays dvds and everything. Only stutters a bit, maybe you could overclock it to 500mhz if your lucky :D

CD 1986
06-05-2005, 02:13 PM
Lol, thanks bud, much appreciated :D

(wonders about becoming the official XS.org charity case, hehe)

uniacid
06-06-2005, 12:08 AM
wow sorry to hear that CD, any idea what went wrong? anyways it seems like both our weekends have been crappy :/ my cat is in the hospital as we speak because of seizures, I hope he gets better :/

Vega
06-06-2005, 05:33 AM
Hi,

My first post here. :)

Which biosrevision run best on this mobo? I have v1.8.

What do I need to do with the mobo for raise my booster to ~3.5-3.6V.
It is possibly!?

My max oc is 2.5GHz stable for cpu and the memcontroller can run max 240fsb 1:1 (2-2-2-6).....I need to do something!! :confused:

My goal is 250*10 (2-2-2-6).

Proposal??

Thank you,

CD 1986
06-06-2005, 08:28 AM
wow sorry to hear that CD, any idea what went wrong? anyways it seems like both our weekends have been crappy :/ my cat is in the hospital as we speak because of seizures, I hope he gets better :/
Pretty sure it's a motherboard issue, possibly a PSU issue, but i used 2 different ones and i doubt they are both faulty! Won't know if it killed any other components (like my new Venice :() until i get the mobo repaired.

Hope your cat is ok and gets better soon!!! :)

sideeffect
06-06-2005, 11:49 AM
YAY :woot:

Just read some cool news over at MSI user forum. Apparantly the current neo 2 bios cant be modified to support san diego venice fully so they are starting from scratch to make a new bios. The new bios will include lots more options like configurable ram timings and possibly higher vcore options and the 150 183 dividers.

Will take a bit of time to build though but sounds good to me we get a brand new bios that will make neo2 even better hopefully.

thread is here

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php%3Fthreadid%3D16844%26page%3D3%26sid%3D1 ceea9836c157b1255199023c1d06db7&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1.8mod%2Bk8n%2Bneo%2B2%2Bbios%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

harpyboy
06-06-2005, 12:12 PM
YAY :woot:

Just read some cool news over at MSI user forum. Apparantly the current neo 2 bios cant be modified to support san diego venice fully so they are starting from scratch to make a new bios. The new bios will include lots more options like configurable ram timings and possibly higher vcore options and the 150 183 dividers.

Will take a bit of time to build though but sounds good to me we get a brand new bios that will make neo2 even better hopefully.

thread is here

http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php%3Fthreadid%3D16844%26page%3D3%26sid%3D1 ceea9836c157b1255199023c1d06db7&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1.8mod%2Bk8n%2Bneo%2B2%2Bbios%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

this post sounds the best of this 56pages thread.... hope it is true and comes out fast

Boble76
06-06-2005, 02:35 PM
8x360Mhz (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/htt360.8mhz.GIF) 2886Mhz :banana:

I LOVE THIS MOBO!!!!

Garrett
06-06-2005, 02:57 PM
8x360Mhz (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/htt360.8mhz.GIF) 2886Mhz :banana:

I LOVE THIS MOBO!!!!
Nice OC you got... what cooling?

harpyboy
06-06-2005, 03:28 PM
8x360Mhz (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/htt360.8mhz.GIF) 2886Mhz :banana:

I LOVE THIS MOBO!!!!

tat's a good OC.... more details plz?

CD 1986
06-06-2005, 04:37 PM
this post sounds the best of this 56pages thread.... hope it is true and comes out fast
New bios due at the end of this month. :)

Boble76
06-06-2005, 09:19 PM
8x360.8Mhz=2886Mhz

Watercooling system on CPU (Swiftech MCW6002-64) & GPU (Only4Pro Magnum), the water was about +20C.

Memories: 2*256Mb Corsair XMS pc3500 BH5 133/200@239Mhz 3.5V
(today I'll get 2 more) :slobber:

Do you wanna know something more?

nweibley
06-06-2005, 09:21 PM
New bios due at the end of this month. :)
Link link link .... this makes me so happy!!!!!!!!!!!! :stick:
(Or is this email?)

harpyboy
06-06-2005, 11:19 PM
Link link link .... this makes me so happy!!!!!!!!!!!! :stick:
(Or is this email?)

patience my young padawan.........

harpyboy
06-06-2005, 11:20 PM
nweibley: tat's very high FSB u r on... i can't get mine to pass 320.... goshh....

Boble76
06-06-2005, 11:36 PM
I'm gonna push even more today, FSB365-370 maybe possible?
I need Icewater for the CPU..

Let's hope it won't..:explode2:

Boble76
06-06-2005, 11:38 PM
Today I'm gonna try to push even harder :sonic: ..FSB365-370

Let's hope it won't :explode:

BobTheDinosaur
06-07-2005, 03:00 AM
Hi,

My first post here. :)

Which biosrevision run best on this mobo? I have v1.8.

What do I need to do with the mobo for raise my booster to ~3.5-3.6V.
It is possibly!?

My max oc is 2.5GHz stable for cpu and the memcontroller can run max 240fsb 1:1 (2-2-2-6).....I need to do something!! :confused:

My goal is 250*10 (2-2-2-6).

Proposal??

Thank you,


download my cpu reference sheet to see what the best combos would be for your setup, you using memtest right?

the reference sheet is on the previous page of this forum

sandwichamwin
06-07-2005, 05:25 AM
Hey fellas,

Time for a kinda stupid question, but does anyone know a program that i can use to read the ddr voltage on my neo2? It's impossible to see the readings on the booster because it's inside my case and hidden under the cpu hsf. I have to get a darn mirror out and stick it in my case just to be able to read voltages. I just realised today that i'd been running my ram @ 3.9v for about 4 days! Now that's a good burn in ;). But now the ram overclocks worse than before...

Which brings me to another question... WTF is up with my ram... I got it about 1 week ago (OCZ value UTT stuff) and i have been able to pass 3dmark01 @ 255 2-2-2-5 (at like 3.6v... i think?). The problem is, i went to do some benching today, and now it won't even run through @ 240fsb...

Any help on either is very appreciated.

Cheers :toast:

TMM
06-07-2005, 05:58 AM
Boble76: What chipset cooling, chipset voltage and/or vAGP, LDT and which bios are you running for 360htt?

mapel110
06-07-2005, 12:44 PM
Is it possible, that the highest HT-Speed I get is 240?

A little bit disappointing, i think. :(

Boble76
06-07-2005, 12:59 PM
Boble76: What chipset cooling, chipset voltage and/or vAGP, LDT and which bios are you running for 360htt?

Chipset cooling is that small original cooler (50dB) :hehe:
I don't even know how much the chipset voltages are (I can't change chipset-voltage),but I think voltages are "normal" and the BIOS is 1.36b

I don't know, just having fun!!!! :banana3:

TMM
06-07-2005, 10:59 PM
Is it possible, that the highest HT-Speed I get is 240?

A little bit disappointing, i think. :(
whats the LDT multi set at?. If its still at 5x then thats probably whats limiting it. set it to 3x and you should be able to get much more, 300htt is a piece of cake for my board @ 3x LDT and stock volts, cooling etc.

harpyboy
06-07-2005, 11:51 PM
yea... K8N neo2 should reach 300htt easily...

u sure u not using SATA 1 and 2 ? which isn't locked..

BobTheDinosaur
06-08-2005, 03:34 AM
yea... K8N neo2 should reach 300htt easily...

u sure u not using SATA 1 and 2 ? which isn't locked..

oooo i just suddenly got confussed about HTT, that's your FSB times the HT multiplier right? as in 1x-5x?

Boble76
06-08-2005, 04:20 AM
I have HTT3x(max. 360Mhz)=1080Mhz ?

Normally i've HTT3x(200Mhz)=600Mhz

sideeffect
06-08-2005, 06:06 AM
8x360.8Mhz=2886Mhz

Watercooling system on CPU (Swiftech MCW6002-64) & GPU (Only4Pro Magnum), the water was about +20C.

Memories: 2*256Mb Corsair XMS pc3500 BH5 133/200@239Mhz 3.5V
(today I'll get 2 more) :slobber:

Do you wanna know something more?


Hi Boble is there a reason why your using the 8x multi? more stable ? Did you test out the other multis and dividers with the 3700+ any problems with any you tried?

Regards

Boble76
06-08-2005, 07:40 AM
The only reason was that I wanted to know how many Mhz thia "HTT" will go.
360-365Mhz seems to be max.

I've test some Multis-7x-8x-9x-10x-11x and dividers (133-150*-166-200 offcourse) and all of them works just fine.

11x250Mhz 1:1 2-2-2-5-7-0 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/Corsair%20BH5/11x250mhz%20ok%202759Mhz%20SPi1M.GIF)
10x305Mhz (166 divider) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/%e4mp%e4ri-sessio%2027-28.5.2005/5min.JPG)
9x334Mhz (150*divider) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/%e4mp%e4ri-sessio%2027-28.5.2005/27s%20HTT334%203006Mhz.JPG) ;)
8x360Mhz (133 divider) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/boble76/Tietokone../San%20Diego%203700+/htt360.8mhz.GIF)



I am really surprised with this motherboard.It's stable and likes BH5. :wiggle:

BobTheDinosaur
06-08-2005, 08:50 AM
Memtest86 doesn't support my new board (k8n diamond) and isn't giving me the correct errors that i should be getting, cos right now i'm running my hynix DDR400 (2 years old) at 240MHZ 1T!! and memtest sez i don't get any errors, but my games still crash like they would if i had mem errors
what other programs are there that are as good as memtest?
i used memtest cos you could boot up into dos with it...

Garrett
06-08-2005, 09:52 AM
Memtest86 doesn't support my new board (k8n diamond) and isn't giving me the correct errors that i should be getting, cos right now i'm running my hynix DDR400 (2 years old) at 240MHZ 1T!! and memtest sez i don't get any errors, but my games still crash like they would if i had mem errors
what other programs are there that are as good as memtest?
i used memtest cos you could boot up into dos with it...Try MemTest for windows... I've got 1 stick of Twinmos 512mb with Winbond UTT on it... doesn't error in dos but errors like mad when I test it in windows...
And the stick is definitely faulty, that's for sure ;)

kasius
06-08-2005, 12:40 PM
I run my Venice 3000+ @ 9x311 for 24/7 usage @ 1.53v :)

I use 2x256 BH5 and the 166 divider, ~255 is the result.

No problems there, however when I pop in my UTT 2x512 sticks (they can do 260, I've tested them) then I cannot run a HTT over 270... :( and it doesn't matter if I use a divider or what :(

It must be the MSI board, since an acquaintance of mine can run his Venice @ over 300 HTT with the 166 divider with Mushkin Redline sticks (2x512) with his DFI...

Anyone else encountered this problem?

Edit: I read this quote and I have the same problem.



I have a little problem:

I have redline UTT to 260 error free memtest. Always 2-2-2-5
And I have a 3200+ Spaw who do 2900mhz.
Have MSI NEO2 with 1.8mod bios

260*10 any problem with 200/200 divider
260*10 with 166/200 divider, no problem too

BUT

More than 260 (memory limit, with 3.5v) no boot with divider 166/200

275*10 (for example) dont boot with divider 166/200

What´s the problem? With others memories I can boot 2900 with 166/200, but they are not UTT, and they are 2.5-3-3

I need some help, please

Cossey
06-08-2005, 12:48 PM
some boards wont boot above 3.4-3.5v if you using a ddr booster (quite likely) then boot at 3.4v then after you get the post beep turn the voltage up. works fine up to 4v.

Garrett
06-08-2005, 01:27 PM
Murdok from msi-forum.de said the following:

The problem is the TRFC Timing Value drops from 14 to lower in 166 Memory divider. You can check it with A64 tweaker.

So if any bios guru could do something about it...

CD 1986
06-08-2005, 01:45 PM
Wait for the new Neo2 bios to come out, it's very likely they are going to include advanced memory timing options in the bios, such as TRFC. :)

harpyboy
06-08-2005, 02:31 PM
Murdok from msi-forum.de said the following:

The problem is the TRFC Timing Value drops from 14 to lower in 166 Memory divider. You can check it with A64 tweaker.

So if any bios guru could do something about it...

nope.. can't do anything until MSI releases new BIOS with these options.. which they will according to CD1986....

try to boot with 200/200 divider or 100/200 divider.. which most likely will boot .. then in windows adjust ur HTT using clockgen .. and timing using A64T.... i chose to boot with 100/200 divider... this way i can set my HTT to max... and no need worri about setting them in clockgen....

mapel110
06-08-2005, 04:05 PM
yea... K8N neo2 should reach 300htt easily...

u sure u not using SATA 1 and 2 ? which isn't locked..
multiplier is set to 3, I think. I have only IDE drives.

I think, its my Ram. I will test it more. Ram is set to 166 in Bios, maybe I should try 133 ;)

4rory
06-08-2005, 08:55 PM
Anyone know if thier is a beta version of this bios out, i've seen some screen shots of it, Im dieing to test it.

harpyboy
06-08-2005, 09:47 PM
Anyone know if thier is a beta version of this bios out, i've seen some screen shots of it, Im dieing to test it.

me too...

kasius
06-09-2005, 08:58 AM
I have tried with A64 tweaker .31 and it´s all OK. I´m runing stable 286x10 183/200 divisor ---> 260 FSB 2-2-2 with my redline XP4000 @ 3.45v on booster (I´ll do viomod 3.3) apply with tweaker startup.
I set in bios divisor 100/200 :D

Thanks guys :toast:

And I wait new bios too :banana:

BobTheDinosaur
06-09-2005, 02:54 PM
so where do i get a membooster? do you have to make one ureself?
you like solder it unto the mobo right?

harpyboy
06-09-2005, 03:14 PM
so where do i get a membooster? do you have to make one ureself?
you like solder it unto the mobo right?

dude.. this is wat u r looking for..
link (http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/memory/ocz/booster/)

Espen
06-10-2005, 02:52 AM
Im having problems with higher fsb on my k8n2 and venice 3000+
My winchester 3000+ did 280 1:1, but my venice cant get over 265.
When i use the 166 devider i cant get past 230 on the memory.
When I am the 100 (1:2 ) devider i can get my htt to 340, so the cpu and the chipset doesnt seem to be the problem. Does my venice have a bad memory controller or it the problem bios related?
I have tried the 1,37mod, 1,8mod and the newest official 1,8 bios.
Thanks for any suggestions




My specs:
Msi K8N P2
Venice 3000+
2x Corsair xms 4000 512mb
XFX Geforce 6800le (16x1,6vp)

sideeffect
06-10-2005, 05:12 AM
Im having problems with higher fsb on my k8n2 and venice 3000+
My winchester 3000+ did 280 1:1, but my venice cant get over 265.
When i use the 166 devider i cant get past 230 on the memory.
When I am the 100 (1:2 ) devider i can get my htt to 340, so the cpu and the chipset doesnt seem to be the problem. Does my venice have a bad memory controller or it the problem bios related?
I have tried the 1,37mod, 1,8mod and the newest official 1,8 bios.
Thanks for any suggestions


I have the same issues with my 3700 + and crucial ballistix. But other people have had no problem at all. MSI did say that the new cores are not fully surported in the current bios so i think that means certain configurations of dividers with memory is flakey. Hopefully these issues will be solved in the new bios.

harpyboy
06-10-2005, 01:43 PM
Im having problems with higher fsb on my k8n2 and venice 3000+
My winchester 3000+ did 280 1:1, but my venice cant get over 265.
When i use the 166 devider i cant get past 230 on the memory.
When I am the 100 (1:2 ) devider i can get my htt to 340, so the cpu and the chipset doesnt seem to be the problem. Does my venice have a bad memory controller or it the problem bios related?
I have tried the 1,37mod, 1,8mod and the newest official 1,8 bios.
Thanks for any suggestions


many people has issues like that.. including myself...
run it at max htt as u can... with 100 divider... boot into windows then use A64 tweaker to adjust ur timing... (u can find out ur RAM timing by boot first with 200 divider and running A64 tweaker)... then jus set ur ram timing according with the divider u wan..

this is something new... since i thought always that it was K8N neo2 plat giving the problem that when divider are used... trf and trcf lowered themselves that some RAM won't be able to support..... does K8N apply this timing accordiing to A64 mem controller ? since espen mentioned it works on his winnie.....

sideeffect
06-10-2005, 04:05 PM
Yes but even setting trf and trcf back to 1:1 values doesnt stabalise some systems there is an issue with the new cores and some memory modules with the current bios. Im hoping its to do with the 1T 2T command not showing as ive heard setting it in bios is more stable than setting it in windows and i have been unable to set it in bios because of the missing function.

uniacid
06-13-2005, 12:48 AM
I have a question, is it not possible to get over 1.450 vcore without using the percentage boost?

uniacid
06-13-2005, 02:22 AM
I've been testing all night and have finally gotten to 2.8

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=22991

although my temp isn't very great (low 40's idle/high 40's load) with my vcore being around 1.536-1.552

any suggestions to get to 2.8 with a lower vcore would be appreciated

Hombre
06-13-2005, 08:03 AM
Recently I've flashed with the latest 1.8 BIOS.
I would like to know if I should enable/disable these following options:

- DRAM DRIVE STRENGTH
- SYSTEM BIOS CACHEABLE
- AGP SIDEBAND ADRESS

Thanks in advance,
hombre.

CD 1986
06-13-2005, 08:18 AM
Recently I've flashed with the latest 1.8 BIOS.
I would like to know if I should enable/disable these following options:

- DRAM DRIVE STRENGTH
- SYSTEM BIOS CACHEABLE
- AGP SIDEBAND ADRESS

Thanks in advance,
hombre.

Drive strength - set to "normal" unless you are overclocking and have TCCD memory, in which case set it to "weak"

System bios cacheable - set to "disabled"

AGP Sideband address - usually ok to set as "enabled"

krampak
06-13-2005, 08:33 AM
Will a venice boot with the default bios in this mobo? Or should I plug a winchie and then upgrade my bios?

uniacid
06-13-2005, 09:01 AM
Sillysider what kind of temps were you getting? and what other settings might you have been using since I would like to keep my vcore around 1.5 b/c of the temps unless thats not possible (I hate Florida)

also
Drive strength - set to "normal" unless you are overclocking and have TCCD memory, in which case set it to "weak"

What is drive strength? and how would you tell if you have TCCD memory (I forget all these types) and would mine be TCCD? Thanks!

uniacid
06-13-2005, 09:50 AM
How long would you recommend running Prime, I don't want to run for a day since I don't have the time to let it go that long, and also got a link to Toast?

kasius
06-13-2005, 09:52 AM
I can not see in win more than 1.45v. If I put more than 1.45 (% = VID = 0%) in bios, in win I see 1.45v all the time. I only run win with a max 1.6v this is 1.45 +10%. If I put 1.5 or 1.55 + 10%, I allways see 1.6v in win.

Bye

EDIT:

All bios except 1.8 report bad temps. 61 celsius in full mode can be 51celsius with 1.8bios. Mine is 33IDLE 42FULL with 1.8bios and good watercooling @ 2820mhz and 1.6v

uniacid
06-13-2005, 02:48 PM
Alright thanks.

Hombre
06-13-2005, 02:51 PM
Thank you CD 1986.
Well, I am overclocking the RAM, but I'm not on TCCD. Shoud I set it as "Weak"?

Tia!

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 12:33 AM
I can not see in win more than 1.45v. If I put more than 1.45 (% = VID = 0%) in bios, in win I see 1.45v all the time. I only run win with a max 1.6v this is 1.45 +10%. If I put 1.5 or 1.55 + 10%, I allways see 1.6v in win.

Bye

EDIT:

All bios except 1.8 report bad temps. 61 celsius in full mode can be 51celsius with 1.8bios. Mine is 33IDLE 42FULL with 1.8bios and good watercooling @ 2820mhz and 1.6v

my temp with BIOS 1.8 is just the same as yours.... just that my venice can't do 2.8Ghz :(


Thank you CD 1986.
Well, I am overclocking the RAM, but I'm not on TCCD. Shoud I set it as "Weak"?

Tia!

i think is best if u go ahead and test it out urself.... but i say leave it at 'normal' drive strength

kasius
06-14-2005, 03:35 AM
My temps before install 1.8bios were 44IDLE and 53-54 FULL.

I´m sure 1.8bios report temps well. I have a probe temp near my core of my SPAW without IHS. And temps of probe are same that MB in IDLE, and in FULL MB reports a little more temp, 1-2 celsius.

My WC:

Swiftech 6000
D-tek 120mm
MCP600 rev2

See you

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 07:32 AM
i think is best if u go ahead and test it out urself.... but i say leave it at 'normal' drive strength
Yeh, testing yourself is the only way to be sure, but setting it to "normal" would be the best option. :)

kupidisk
06-14-2005, 11:22 AM
And what about fast write with msi 6800le?

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 12:47 PM
Disable fastwrites if you have a 6800 series card, as it causes instabilities. If i have it enabled for instance, i get lower 3Dmark benchies than if i have it disabled. I always keep fastwrites disabled, and sideband addressing enabled for my 6800nu. :)

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 12:49 PM
http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=17206&hilight=1+9b5

Anyone tried this new bios??? :D

Added in some more memory timings, including the Trc and Trfc values that have been causing the divider issues! :toast:

uniacid
06-14-2005, 01:31 PM
is that a custom modded bios?

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 01:33 PM
trying now :)

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 01:39 PM
is that a custom modded bios?
Link has both the original and modded versions attached. :)

@harpyboy - let us know if the extra timings solve the divider issue! Also, the link (even though in German) seems to suggest that there might be problems with the CPU multipliers.

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 01:54 PM
the extra timing solves divider issues !!!!!! hoorayyy

but this bios still need some work... can't adjust multiplier... but somehow it was set to 9... same as before i flashed it ....

vcore seems to be 0.1 V lower than what you set in the BIOS.. (u can select the 'true' vcore now... instead of 10% of VID stuffs)

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 01:58 PM
http://www.harpyboy.com/a64.JPG

this is the resulting A64T ... BIOS can't change Twtr (mine needs 2 instead of 1).. other than that.. the divider works fine... 1T works fine

Gamer
06-14-2005, 01:59 PM
put this bios online here please.

thx.

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 02:25 PM
as requested

BIOS 19B5mod (http://www.harpyboy.com/downloads/files/7025MOD19B5.zip)

BIOS 19B5 (http://www.harpyboy.com/downloads/files/7025nms19B5.zip)

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 02:39 PM
Looks promising! :)

Sonic9
06-14-2005, 02:46 PM
What's the new MTTR mapping mode ?

moreover the new 216,233,250 dividers doesn't work here ... I have tested and I have :
250 = 133
233 = 200
216 = 100

Again, in this new bios, the max vcore selectable is 1,55v (on Venice and seletected 1,7v !) ... Just CoreCenter allow to up to 1,72v!

And for finish, I like the new menu organisation...

Goodbye.

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 03:17 PM
Summary:

new menu

no better OC

fast write still doesn't work with 6800

no multiplier selection.. but using clockgen just set it once and it will stay

vcore max at 1.612v for me (venice.. cpu-z) even tho i selected 1.70v...
1.70v in BIOS read as 1.60v in cpu-z
1.60v in BIOS read as 1.50v in cpu-z

new divider doesn't work for me either...

SATA 1 and 2 seems to be locked.. it POST at 280HTT.. but i didn't realise that clearing CMOS set the multiplier back to 10 (thus OC failed instead of SATA crash)..lazy to test again.. someone else has to do it....

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 03:25 PM
1.70v in BIOS read as 1.60v in cpu-z
1.60v in BIOS read as 1.50v in cpu-z
This is probably just because venice uses 1.40v default, but bios has a 1.50v starting point. I was looking at the bios in modbin6, and there are voltage options upto 1.85v, but they are "un-selected" in the bios options, and i couldn't get them to stick when i set to "selected". Hopefully in later bios versions they might enable the higher voltages. :)

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 03:33 PM
This is probably just because venice uses 1.40v default, but bios has a 1.50v starting point. I was looking at the bios in modbin6, and there are voltage options upto 1.85v, but they are "un-selected" in the bios options, and i couldn't get them to stick when i set to "selected". Hopefully in later bios versions they might enable the higher voltages. :)

i believe another release should be due soon.. something has to be done to the multiplier... other than the multiplier the BIOS detects (which is 10 for my 3200+ weird anyway).. the CPU SPEED's reading in Cell menu is messed up... (306 x 9.0 = 176 Mhz ????)

CD 1986
06-14-2005, 03:35 PM
It's only an early-stage beta remember, its not meant to be used 24/7 yet...i'm sure they'll have most of the bugs sorted out in later releases.

Sonic9
06-14-2005, 03:53 PM
For the voltage, in cpu-z i have 1,552v , SpeedFan & Everest 1,55v however in bios i set it to 1,7v ... with CoreCenter I have 1,7v ... I set to 1,85v and I get 1,680v (cpu-z)

harpyboy, have you got pc3200xl corsair ? if yes why don't use divider 166 ?
I will StressPrime this night (yes in france, it's 00h47 am ... and I work tomorrow .. erf) at this spec:
cpu: 303*9 @ 1,55v
ram: 248 - cas2.5/ras6/rcd4/rp&rrd3/rc7/fc14/rwt3 - weak mode - mtrr continous (small description ... :-P ) and it's 2*512Mb Corsair tccds pc3200xl dual channel ...

goodbye.

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 04:09 PM
For the voltage, in cpu-z i have 1,552v , SpeedFan & Everest 1,55v however in bios i set it to 1,7v ... with CoreCenter I have 1,7v ... I set to 1,85v and I get 1,680v (cpu-z)

harpyboy, have you got pc3200xl corsair ? if yes why don't use divider 166 ?
I will StressPrime this night (yes in france, it's 00h47 am ... and I work tomorrow .. erf) at this spec:
cpu: 303*9 @ 1,55v
ram: 248 - cas2.5/ras6/rcd4/rp&rrd3/rc7/fc14/rwt3 - weak mode - mtrr continous (small description ... :-P ) and it's 2*512Mb Corsair tccds pc3200xl dual channel ...

goodbye.

nope not the XL... this is literally the first 2-2-2-5 PC3200 corsair came out more than 2 years ago.... it max out at 230mhz...

4rory
06-14-2005, 05:31 PM
Anyone got the files I need them and I can't seem to get them from the site registered already, I hate sites that make you register to veiw images and such.

4rory
06-14-2005, 05:33 PM
nvm I got them if you want them just email me ill send them, if you don't feel like registering that is.

brschmid
06-14-2005, 08:11 PM
does this new bios officially support the Venice processors? i don't like my cpu being identified as a 0.13nm processor

harpyboy
06-14-2005, 08:40 PM
nvm I got them if you want them just email me ill send them, if you don't feel like registering that is.

i hosted it on my server alredi..
refer to post #1458

brschmid
06-14-2005, 09:37 PM
any of you guys gonna get the new DFI nf3 mobo?

uniacid
06-15-2005, 06:40 AM
I have a question about getting an OCZ booster, will I have to worry about my memory's temperature or does that not really matter much? B/c I know at 2.85 V via bios it does feel quite hot

brschmid
06-15-2005, 07:23 AM
put a fan over them

sideeffect
06-15-2005, 09:00 AM
I have a strange issue with the new bios. I tried both the mod and normal version and it wont let me enter the bios setup menu. Pc boots and sets the ram to 2-3-3-8-11 1T and sets the san diego 3700+ at 11x200 which is ok. When i press delete it says unable to load bios setup and just sits there.

If i let pc load it does so fine and im in windows now with the new bios.

I used winflash to flash the bios from windows ive since reflashed it within winflash but still same issue i flashed from 1.8 official bios and cleared cmos. I flashed with the multi set to 11 and the htt 200.

Any ideas why its not working?
(Could it be a cold bug)

Specs
3700+ san diego
2x 512mb pc4000 ballistix
Vapochill PE
ati AIW 9800 pro
2x seagate barracuda connected on ide
dvd burner connected on ide


Edit
In 1.8 bios it worked fine for me but when i went into hardware monitor it used to freeze when detecting the cpu temp. Does the new bios show the cpu temp on the main screen? maybe thats why.

harpyboy
06-15-2005, 05:47 PM
both BIOS 1.8 and this beta 1.9 works fine for me.
i don't have any issues with temp monitor either....

u r using vapochil ? wat is the temp... this might be the issue for reporting too low cpu temp

sideeffect
06-16-2005, 10:18 AM
Temperature is about -25 degrees idle and -10 load yes i think it could be that to but there is not a lot i can do about that. Hopefully the official release will cure this problem or maybe a moded version will work on this. Pehaps other people are having this issue.

Gonna try to boot when vapochill hits like 5 degrees and see if that helps but first i need to find out if its safe to start up like that.

brschmid
06-16-2005, 01:21 PM
was the memory issue only if you use a divider?

anything special i need to do to use TCC5 based ram on this board. I think it is TCC5, it could be TCCD but i doubt it.

Electroid
06-16-2005, 02:46 PM
http://www.kanetti.fi/~electroid/modit/MSI_NEO2_54G/fet_jaahy_isompi_konkka.jpg
http://www.kanetti.fi/~electroid/modit/MSI_NEO2_54G/konkkia_tyhjiin_paikkoihin.jpg
http://www.kanetti.fi/~electroid/modit/MSI_NEO2_54G/lisavirtaa.jpg
http://www.kanetti.fi/~electroid/modit/MSI_NEO2_54G/valmis_ajoon.jpg

MSI K8N Neo2 54G pics... (http://www.kanetti.fi/~electroid/modit/MSI_NEO2_54G/)

sideeffect
06-16-2005, 03:40 PM
looks a bit like mine

Blinkme323
06-16-2005, 07:43 PM
Can you help with my problems. Read the thread below.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=914863#post914863

I am going to try a modded 1.8 bios that has relaxed that relaxes internal memory timings when using dividers.

sideeffect
06-17-2005, 05:45 AM
Have been reading around the other forums and other people also have the bios setup time out issue where you cant enter bios setup. Seems that its not a cold boot issue at all and something wrong with the bios under certain hardware conditions. Ill have to wait for the official release.

nfm
06-17-2005, 04:52 PM
Maybe some of you didn't notice that, here's remodded v1.36Mod BIOS http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme/MSI-K8N-Neo2-13modR1.zip that we requested. Big thanks to tictac
trc=13 clocks, trfc=15 clocks. Those timings will always stay on 13 and 15 no matter what divider you will use :toast: :toast: So if you had divider problems try it now! If your on venice or san diego grab this v1.8 one http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/MSI-Neo2-V18-R1.zip

EDIT: Ok, here's rev.2 of v1.8 BIOS with same tweaks as above + much more cool stuff. Refer to this post http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=915254#post915254
BEST BIOS I EVER USED!

sideeffect
06-18-2005, 04:32 AM
Maybe some of you didn't notice that, here's remodded v1.36Mod BIOS http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme/MSI-K8N-Neo2-13modR1.zip that we requested. Big thanks to tictac
trc=13 clocks, trfc=15 clocks. Those timings will always stay on 13 and 15 no matter what divider you will use :toast: :toast: So if you had divider problems try it now! If your on venice or san diego grab this v1.8 one http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/MSI-Neo2-V18-R1.zip

EDIT: Ok, here's rev.2 of v1.8 BIOS with same tweaks as above + much more cool stuff. Refer to this post http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=915254#post915254
BEST BIOS I EVER USED!


Thanks for the info mate.

Im trying 1.8 r2 now seems good so far :) tictac makes really good bios files so i hope he makes more for neo2 :banana:

This bios does seem to be more stable for me even though i used to use A64 tweaker to set the timings anyway its better with the bios it seems.

sideeffect
06-18-2005, 02:11 PM
http://www.kanetti.fi/~electroid/modit/MSI_NEO2_54G/fet_jaahy_isompi_konkka.jpg


What chip is that green heatsink covering. Mine doesnt have a heatsink on it worth putting one on?

STEvil
06-18-2005, 02:19 PM
been working on 1.8r2.. great bios tictac!

Havoc
06-18-2005, 03:11 PM
Has anyone replaced the noisy fan fot a passive HS on the chipset? Which model? I hava a NV Silencer 5, so my options are limited... but I sure would like to get rid of that 5000rpm annoyance.

TMM
06-18-2005, 08:45 PM
well theres not alot of clearance at all with the Silencers... But the chipset doesn't run too hot, so i bet one of the Zalman 'sinks will work fine. Just clip the pins that get in the way down to size :).

I'll probably replace mine with a Zalman NB47J, trimmed to fit ofcoarse. Though i have alot of clearance with my current graphics card, only about a quarter of the zalman will have to be trimmed, if at all.

I think the bearings in the stock chipset fan got shot - its increasing RPM by the week. Its almost at 6000rpm now! :S

harpyboy
06-18-2005, 10:04 PM
i think for overclocking, better to use one with fan tho... i hav the silencer nv5 too.. doesn't seem to fit any passive heatsink capable of decent cooling... i really love to get a tall nice passive heatsink for it.. but we are the one who wanted a 6800

weird that you said the chipset fan is noisy... i can't really hear it.

Sonic9
06-19-2005, 03:33 AM
For me, I use SpeedFan and I set the Chipset's fan to 70% and it isn't noisy ...
Moreover I wait the bios 1.95b with Multiplier fixed !!!!!

4rory
06-19-2005, 10:27 AM
right now im running bios 1.95r2 modded by murdok, I just use clockgen to change the multi in windows, works fine.

FatRakoon
06-19-2005, 12:28 PM
I just bought one of these boards yesterday... I expect it to be delivered on teusday ( Hell waiting that long )

Now too sure how my current RAM sticks are going to cope in it. I have read that some have a few issues with this or that RAM, and I suppose I am just thankfull that I have a number of systems, so I am sure that I have somethign that will behave enough to get me started, even if I wont be clocking just yet.

The RAM I have in line for it right now, that I will try out first, is Crucial balistix 3200 and I hope it will be ok. I have touched 224MHZ on the DFI LP with my XP17 on with that RAM, but as I say... I wont clock this PC for a while.

Failing that, I have Corsair XMS3500, however, I have 1 x 512 and 2x256 and apparently, its not too hot with using 3 sticks,and in all honesty, I would rather have 1GB or RAM at stock, than any kind of clocking and half the RAM.
Plus I have got my XPM running nicely at 236x12 with that RAM, so its staying on that anyway.

So, can anyone tell me something if they would?

How does this Motherboard, with a Winchester 3200 compare in real terms, to a Barton 3200 in say, an Abit NF7S? ( Stock everythings )

How does it compare to an XP17 @ 216x12.5 ?

And

How does it compare to an XPM @ 236x12

I just fancy knowing what I am in for?

Thanks all.

sideeffect
06-19-2005, 01:15 PM
hi FatRakoon

I have crucial ballistix 4000 but they are the same memory chips as the 3200. they work well with the neo2 in 1:1 settings im currently running mine at 260 at 2.5-3-3-10 @ 2.85volts.

I do have issues when using the dividers though and its possible it could be the ballistix so when you try yours see what happens in 166 mode compared to 200 mode and let me know.

I upgraded from a DFi lanparty nf2 and mobile xp at 2.5ghz 250x10 and the performance improvment with the neo 2 is noticible probably due to double the memory bandwidth.

4rory
06-19-2005, 02:29 PM
The new bios fixes the divider issues which was cause by using tighter trc and trfc values when using a divider.

sideeffect
06-19-2005, 02:35 PM
Thats not the only problem with the dividers trfc and trc dont make a difference with stability in my setup. 166 just doesnt work very well. Im using 1.8r2 bios at the moment which sets trfc and trc to 15 and 13 on boot and it doesnt make 166 divider stable.

harpyboy
06-19-2005, 05:49 PM
compare using A64T, when you are using 200 and 166 divider.. That will give u a clue of what timing are different.

alexgontijo
06-19-2005, 09:23 PM
Guys,

I need some advices on my overclocking.

I'm using my system at 246x10 = 2460 MHz, 166 divider, resulting in 205 MHz at 2-2-2-5. The system is fast with this speed, Primed, OCCT passed, etc..., and the vcore is 1.52v.

So I tried 240x10 = 2400 MHz, with the memory 1:1 in 240 MHz at 2.5-3-3-6 (I did 4 loops in Memtest, ok for that speed) but I've tried a lot of different vcores and the CPU is unstable. It can't run 2 minutes on Prime, locks on games, totally unstable. I tested from 1.4-1.6v and nothing!

What might be happening? Why did the CPU can handle 246 but can't 240? My HTT is configured to 4x, and I don't know what else I can try. I'm using BIOS 1.8mod.

Does anyone have any idea?

Thanks a lot!

AleX

Sonic9
06-20-2005, 04:37 AM
My best results with my venice 3k+ & neo2 & corsair 3200XL is that :

HTT 3x
cpu : 8.5 * 311 @ 1,54v (1,7v in bios 1.9b5 mod)
ram : divider 166 > ~240mhz - cas2.5/4/3/6 @ 2,8v

Test your settings with relaxed timings ... CAS 2.5 / Trcd 4 / 3 / 6 @ 2,8v
The 260mhz full sync' @ 2.5/3/3/6 run fine with me ... (but in asynchronous mode I have best results)

Moreover, I think isn't good idea test with Prime/OCCT/MemTest to prove the stability , use the PC in your games/apps about 2 days and if all are okay it's good ;-)

Jonas
06-20-2005, 04:41 AM
to ocz booster and mushkin bh5, what is the best bios??

alexgontijo
06-20-2005, 09:22 AM
Test your settings with relaxed timings ... CAS 2.5 / Trcd 4 / 3 / 6 @ 2,8v
The 260mhz full sync' @ 2.5/3/3/6 run fine with me ... (but in asynchronous mode I have best results)

Moreover, I think isn't good idea test with Prime/OCCT/MemTest to prove the stability , use the PC in your games/apps about 2 days and if all are okay it's good ;-)

Thanks Sonic, I'll try relax a little. About the RAM voltage, 2.7v seems to be allright (according to Memtest), but I'll also try 2.8v.

Did you notice any better with BIOS 1.95?

Thanks!

AleX

Sonic9
06-20-2005, 09:38 AM
I have tested 1.8 (mod & un-mod) , 1,37mod and finally the 1.95b5mod and I havn't notice better results ... I havn't all tested the settings ... For one month I have the venice&neo2 ... I will search again the good settigns !

Goodbye.

LittleDevil
06-20-2005, 10:28 AM
Im using 1.8r2 bios, but cpu voltage over 13% 15% 18% don't work.

tnx

4rory
06-20-2005, 08:08 PM
Anyone know what all the memory timings in the new 1.95 bios do? Especailly the MTRR or w.e.

Blinkme323
06-20-2005, 08:14 PM
This is hands down the best bios I ever used.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=921268#post921268

nfm
06-20-2005, 09:09 PM
^^^^ You stole my memory tweaks from other post

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=917478#post917478

Blinkme323
06-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Lol, they worked well. You got anymore?

nfm
06-20-2005, 09:42 PM
^^^ Will post some later :p:

CD 1986
06-21-2005, 04:16 AM
^^^ Will post some later :p:
How about an A64 Tweaker screenshot of your most stable, highest clocking memory settings. ;)

uniacid
06-21-2005, 06:02 PM
guys I need some emergency help, last night I tried some settings that worked the week before but suddenly this week my pc has been acting funny, not allowing me to overclock much on settings I've ran before and I've been having to reset my cmos if that happens, so last night I decided I would try again to see if it would work and right around 2.4ish I get no post from my pc and attempt to reset the cmos only this time even after resetting my cmos I get no post at all, I've checked my psu's (not sure about them as they turn on automatically once they get power) and I've stripped apart my pc today and put it back together only connecting the essentials and it still does the same thing, psu turns on automatically, shut it off manually via case switch then I turn it on properly via the case switch yet no post, also from the D-Bracket it shows that it is "Decompressing BIOS image to RAM for fast booting".

So I come to you guys for help, is there anything you can think of to try or what the problem could be and why this is happening? :confused: :bsod:

THANKS A BUNCH!

harpyboy
06-21-2005, 06:26 PM
it is weird that ur psu turns on automatically. it shouldn't unless ur BIOS option set it to after a power failure.. was this PSU doing the same thing as before ? ie starting up auto ?

if u hav access to another computer.. test ur PSU over there to verify.

otherwise it might really be a burn chipset.

any others opinions anyone else?

uniacid
06-21-2005, 06:30 PM
No my psu wasn't doing this before (at least when I used them in single mode, with the dual psu connector I have one will turn on if the other isn't already powered) if it is a burnt chipset how could that have happened, it was working fine and I wasn't even pushing it much, if this is the case do you think there would be any problems with MSI warranty and any idea how long they usually take?

STEvil
06-21-2005, 07:07 PM
mine turns on automatically too.

Its a problem with how the board circuitry was laid out.. something connected to the power on circuit is too low of an impedance and causes the PSU (which is built to spec) to think the power button has been pressed.. and so it turns on.

What you probably need to do is switch the PSU off and remove your cmos battery for about 5 minutes.. should give enough time for most or all of the power in the board to drain and your BIOS to clear. If you have a PS2 keyboard you can hold the insert key down (DO NOT LET UP UNTIL YOU CAN SEE A POST SCREEN) then press the power button to power on.. it tells the bios to post at default settings.

USB keyboards dont work for this when an overclock setting fails.. :rolleyes:

harpyboy
06-21-2005, 07:25 PM
No my psu wasn't doing this before (at least when I used them in single mode, with the dual psu connector I have one will turn on if the other isn't already powered) if it is a burnt chipset how could that have happened, it was working fine and I wasn't even pushing it much, if this is the case do you think there would be any problems with MSI warranty and any idea how long they usually take?

didn't notice u r using 2 PSU inline. im sure u tested it with just 1 PSU rite?

hhmm... did u check ur motherboard to see if there is any burn stuffs on it ?

uniacid
06-21-2005, 07:30 PM
Thanks STEvil I'll try that and yes harpy I tried 1 psu, right now my X-ultra since my other can't power my pc + gfx card alone

uniacid
06-21-2005, 09:24 PM
forgot to say that no there are no burn smells on the mb, and STEvil how long should I have to hold the ins key down? b/c so far no go