The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

[funkflix]

Yes. Don't think they like high Vdimm, bcs thats are the old Rev of the TCCD! ;)

Edit: Ups, no u have Hynix Chips, they dont like high Vdimm too.

[|-jokker-|]

Where did you donwload the bios ?
I had a bad experience in the past with , not tested locations :D

I have this nice site may i take the try ?

http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html

[split]

Where did you donwload the bios ?
I had a bad experience in the past with , not tested locations :D

I have this nice site may i take the try ?

http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html

He gets a lot of those BIOS's from me.
I haven't tested them all, but I know all the ones from .135 on all work without problems.
If you are unsure, I suggest you invest in a BIOS savior.
RD1-PMC4 fits the Neo 2.
You can get them in the US here (http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/bio-04.html).
Europe here (http://www.eksitdata.com/_uk/index.asp) (they will also flash a chip for you)
UK here (http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=396) (no stock) or here (http://www.scan.co.uk/).
This (http://www.motherboard-biosflash.co.uk/) is a handy UK link for when it all goes wrong ;)

[Dynasty]

Wow, just like to share this info about ram slots. Seems when I changed
from Dimm 1 & 2 -DC (closest to Cpu) to Dimms 3 & 4 (farthest from Cpu)
my HTT increased by 240 to 265 without my DDR booster. VDimm is at 2.85V
tracking correctly, ram used is pc 3700 ocz gold. :cool:

[Orker]

Wow, just like to share this info about ram slots. Seems when I changed
from Dimm 1 & 2 -DC (closest to Cpu) to Dimms 3 & 4 (farthest from Cpu)
my HTT increased by 240 to 265 without my DDR booster. VDimm is at 2.85V
tracking correctly, ram used is pc 3700 ocz gold. :cool:


dam! thats awesome.. i wonder if i should try... anyone else notice this?

[Dynasty]

I have lose timings so i can find the max for this mem. and then tighten them back, once I find a nice sweet spot for them. This screenie is without any Vdimm mod or DDR booster. Seemed my MSI never liked my BH-6 cause max.
I could achieve with my Mushkin Cas 222 Specials was 230 HTT :(

[Byron]

I'm trying dimm slots 3&4 with 2x512 ballistix 3200 at 10x230, CL2.5 2-2-10, 2.80vdimm now... will report later.

[Dynasty]

Eventually I am going to get some GSkill Pc4400LE this week, now that I have some extra funds for it :D .
I just wanted to test this MSI board first b4 I spend more money on other ram.
Currently at 267 mhz now making this post with the ocz 3700 gold @ 3-4-4-8

[Byron]

Nope... same thing happens even at dimms 3&4....
Could do 230fsb 1:1 at CL2.5 2-2-10 tho... strange because at 235 no matter what i do (tried loosening the timings, still nothing) prime shows up mem error at first minute.

[Orker]

I have lose timings so i can find the max for this mem. and then tighten them back, once I find a nice sweet spot for them. This screenie is without any Vdimm mod or DDR booster. Seemed my MSI never liked my BH-6 cause max.
I could achieve with my Mushkin Cas 222 Specials was 230 HTT :(

Do you prefer more bandwidth over lower latencies.. ive done a fair bit of testing and the tighter timings yield better results coz of the on die mem controller


btw thanks for testing that byron.. i wont bother then

the ddr booster only JUST fits in this mobo

[|-jokker-|]

For example , i to run my bh5 in my mobo in slots 3 and 4 i have to start the board with 230htt , if not the screen only apears black .
I don´t know why that´s a mistery .
I will try some tccd , in a couple of days .


Cumps

[Orker]

Whats the best ram for this mobo? im considering changing coz its holding me back something bad

[seb87]

max voltage on the booster display???

i'm up 3.4v reset the computer :(

[krampak]

Mine reboot at any more than 3'65v.

[Jack]

I've made an little Overclockingguide for MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. There are
so many questions about it (not only at this forum), that i thought it's an good
idea. :)

Here ist the link (right klick and download/ use WordPad or something to open it): http://people.freenet.de/funkflix/ocgk8n.txt

It's not very good, but i think some "newbie" should help this a bit! :)

could you fix that guide? as all i get is mostly random letters and numbers :confused:



Mine reboot at any more than 3'65v.
if you wind it up in windows, higher than 3.65V it reboots?

[funkflix]

No need to fix it, just follow the instructions! :)


(right klick and download/ use WordPad or something to open it)

[Jack]

Bugs 'n Fixes :D

The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43033)



Ram compatibility list:
http://forum.msi.com.tw/thread.php?threadid=51996&sid=47e3a23afafbdc1c0e5d04e4065483a2
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46167



Mods:
Vdimm=Vio, Vdimm, Vcore, Vdd & Vht mod (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41350)




Nice-To-Know-Facts:
- Boot with only 1 stick of ram. Some board come with bios 1.10 and that bios has an issue with dual channel,
which causes the system not wanting to post with 2 mem sticks installed.
- Cpu fan header must be connected, if not the pc could experience boot problems.
- VTT Tracks
- OCZ DDR-Booster works upto 4,0V
- Slots 1&2 are the ones nearer to the CPU and are dual channel, NOT 1&3 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=585730#post585730).
Advised is to put your mem in slots 1&2 and your booster in slot 4.
Although some people are reaching higher HTT using slot 3&4.
- In order to get the AGP/PCI lock to work, you need to set the AGP freq. to 67. With newer bios (1.3 and newer) i might not be necessary anymore.
- Only the 2 SATA ports closest to the cpu (ports 3+4) have working locks.
- In the bios press and hold Shift+F2 and then press ALT+F3 to unlock "hidden" features within the BIOS.
It has a couple of neat things, namely a "overdrive" function that works on any ATi or Nvidia card.
- turn LDT down to 3x to do any kind of OCing. 4x seems to work aswell 'till ~255MHz HTT
- use your +/- key to change the HT instead of entering sub menu
- Most 939 CPU's do not like dual sided BH-5 mem
BH-5 in general seems to work best with bios 1.36 and newer.
- If anyone has trouble getting low temp readings with the K8N NEO2 downlaod the latest MBM5,
use the K8N NEO Plat mobo selection, click settings go to temps, click CPU,
and choose the first option for Winbond Diode 2.
- Kane: (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=7352)It seems that videocards overclock less with this motherboard, than with others. Will Disable ATI/Nvidia speedup help???
- Bios versions 1.2 and later, support winchesters fully
- Some people experienced problems with Antec Neopower and Truepower PSUs and also with PowerStream PSUs and by several others with those PSUs everything works just fine.
Bios 1.37 might help. Turning the PSU off after you shut down, seems to help aswell. (This deal could be a vidcard thing.)
- Dissable Agressive Timings in Cell Menu if you're going to overclock.
- Quantity of thermal compound on the NB is practically zero. Although it seems to differ, some had a lot, some practically nothing.
- Don't use the last PCI slot, it is meant for the WiFi card.
- The MAch II needs a new firmware to operate with this board firmware here (http://nventiv.blue-nexus.com/)
- NB HSF maintanance class :D (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=589637#post589637)
- taiwanese-NB's aren't that good clocker - they tend to lock up at ~ 260-270MHz 1:1, NBs produced in Korea can reach >300MHz.
Not really sure about that tho', issue may be more related to pre-0419 chipsets then site manufactured, as after-0419Taiwan NB's seem to go 300+ MHz aswell.
The Vdd mod seems to help for the taiwanese NB's to reach 300+ MHz.
To found out which version you have, you have to take the NB HSF off and take a peak.
- According to OnePageBook (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46230) the newer boards, with S/N:K0411xxxxxx and S/N:K0410xxxxxx, seem to go harder and can do with lower voltage.
Also there seems to be no more problems with winchesters and Phase Change.
- There is only one revision of this board: rev 1.0
- the temps are known to be wrong on the neo2. Atleast on some boards. Others appear to give quite accurate temps.
- XL Pros Neo2 xp-90 combo is NO GO!!!
- the vcore of winchesters seems to undervolt about 0.1V, max 1.7V



Bios:
Hidden bios options accessed by hitting shift + F2 then ALT + F3
bios 1.10, 1.20, 1.23, 1.25, 1.30, 1.33, 1.34, 1.35, 1.36, 1.37, 1.41 (http://www.weckstrom.com/msibios)
beta biosses (http://www.svcheats.com/MSI_Neo_Plat2_939/beta)
1.37 modded bios by Trats (http://members.lycos.co.uk/hallampg/BIOS/MSI/) or
1.37 modded bios by Trats (http://www.svcheats.com/MSI_Neo_Plat2_939/beta/trats)
lots of biosses, incl. beta and modded ones with changelogs (http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html)



How to flash your bios:
http://www.weckstrom.com/msibios/How%20to%20flash%20the%20BIOS.doc
windows bios flashing (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44481)



Winchester & Negative Temps:
Bios 1.41 seems to help:
Who tried winchester (90nm) with Phase cooling? (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=600531#post600531)
World's FASTEST Winchester.... (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45695)
look like newer boards, with S/N:K0411xxxxxx and S/N:K0410xxxxxx, don't have this bug no more :)



A64Tweaker:
A64Tweaker settings for BH-5 by CodeRed (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=580942#post580942)



Beginners OC Guide by GraveDiggA (http://people.freenet.de/funkflix/ocgk8n.txt)
don't open with notepad, use wordpad ;)


That's what i found in this thread :D
took a day to complete but it's pretty complete now :D

[Byron]

Holly crap man, make that post a STICKY!!! ;):D

Excellent, cheers.

[Orker]

I understand this board doesnt work well with ocz EB but what about PC3200 EL Platinum Rev2??

and is anyone running this setup?

[funkflix]

All TCCD based Rams work fine on the Neo2! :)

[Orker]

All TCCD based Rams work fine on the Neo2! :)

awesome thanks :) im selling my EB for some of that Rev2 goodness

EDIT: anyone else ever get problems with the core temp monitor on this board? whenever i restart i get the "driver not found" and a couple of other errors... i tried to format but that didnt do anything

[Jack]

Holly crap man, make that post a STICKY!!! ;):D

Excellent, cheers.

Thanks man :D
i'll update the post if i find more info

[Sheik]

All TCCD based Rams work fine on the Neo2! :)

:( I finally got my K8N Neo2. I first did my homework by reading this entire thread and making notes. Now I try using my PQI Turbo (which does 285 MHZ 2.5-3-3 with 2 sticks on DFI 754 and 300 MHZ with 1 stick) and SuperPI fails even at 220 MHZ never mind anything higher. I can boot at 260x10 with my FX55, but again SuperPI gives error straight away.

I am using all above suggestions ie LDT x3, 67 AGP, BIOS 1.36 ect ect. Am I the only one getting such bad results with PQI TCCD ? I mean people here are getting 290 MHz and I would be happy with 260 MHz. I'm using 2.6 / 2.7 volts. 2.8 volts gives SuperPI error even quicker. My board is made in China.

What do I do now ? This sucks :mad:

I see Antec True Power PSU's mentioned as being an issue above ... I have a 400 Watt True Power .... could this be the cause ?

[Jack]

:( I finally got my K8N Neo2. I first did my homework by reading this entire thread and making notes. Now I try using my PQI Turbo (which does 285 MHZ 2.5-3-3 with 2 sticks on DFI 754 and 300 MHZ with 1 stick) and SuperPI fails even at 220 MHZ never mind anything higher. I can boot at 260x10 with my FX55, but again SuperPI gives error straight away.

I am using all abaove suggestions ie LDT x3, 67 AGP, BIOS 1.36 ect ect. Am I the only one getting such bad results with PQI TCCD ? I mean people here are getting 290 MHz and I would be happy with 260 MHz. I'm using 2.6 / 2.7 volts. 2.8 volts gives SuperPI error even quicker. My board is made in China.

What do I do now ? This sucks :mad:
Made in China doesn't say anything, every box says that...
only thing i can think of is Aggressive Timings, did you disable that in the Cell Menu?

[Sheik]

Aggressive is either Disable or Manual right ? I'm 99 % sure I set it to Disable as per one of the first posts in this thread. Also disabled NV/ATI speedup. Used every sugested setting as per your summary Jack (great work BTW).
Don't think trying other RAM will help as it's double sided BH5. Maybe my OCZ3700EB will do better. I do have a 550 Watt Antec but that's powering my Mach2 setup so would be a mission to try. Don't think my 300 Watt Aopen PSU will cut it, but I guess I better try. :(

[saaya]

awesome thanks :) im selling my EB for some of that Rev2 goodness

EDIT: anyone else ever get problems with the core temp monitor on this board? whenever i restart i get the "driver not found" and a couple of other errors... i tried to format but that didnt do anything
READ!!!! :P

its a known issue, the temp sensor doesnt work right.

[Orker]

READ!!!! :P

its a known issue, the temp sensor doesnt work right.

Yeh ive picked random pages in this thread to read.. its a bit daunting to read the entire thread

anyway thanks for the answer.. hopefully msi release a patched version soon

[Sheik]

OK freaky stuff ! I got my PQI working and how ? I changed the CAS to 3. Now it does 289 MHz with 2.7 volts 3-3-3 :rolleyes:

[Byron]

And how much was the membandwidth performance sacrifice?

[Sheik]

Well CAS latency has zero affect on Athlon64's luckily so it is not an issue. Bandwidth in Sandra is 7500. I also did 300 MHz but 3-4-4 sucked.

My OCZ3700EB did 237 MHz on this board as well.

[Blue078]

Well CAS latency has zero affect on Athlon64's luckily so it is not an issue. Bandwidth in Sandra is 7500. I also did 300 MHz but 3-4-4 sucked.

My OCZ3700EB did 237 MHz on this board as well.

Yea CAS isnt as important as it used to be. BTW Nice clocks Sheik :toast:
PQI is looking good.

Just got a new MachII GT and it's letting me get a bit more top end from 3500+. But cant tak full advantage of it because now the old Ballistix is holding me back. I'm gona have to get some ram that can do at least 280. PQI might be the ticket.

[Sheik]

Thanks :toast:

Well I hope to get my FX55 in the Mach2 soon as well so it is looking like 2.9 GHz 1:1 (PQI failed SuperPI at 295 MHZ) but I would have prefered 300 - 310 MHz x10 which seems the average FX55 + Mach2 OC. I love this RAM :)

[Blue078]

What do you think about that gskill stuff ?

[Sheik]

Well it was a toss up between the GSkill and the PQI, but as neither are available locally and I had to import, the PQI won as my regular supplier did not stock the GSkill otherwise I might have gone with it. My PQI is doing exactly what I wanted though so I have no complaints.

[Blue078]

Good to hear. I can get the PQI from a store close to me.

[Orker]

Well CAS latency has zero affect on Athlon64's luckily so it is not an issue. Bandwidth in Sandra is 7500. I also did 300 MHz but 3-4-4 sucked.

My OCZ3700EB did 237 MHz on this board as well.

Thats an awesome oc with EB, considering its not rated highly for this board. i cant get passed 220mhz.. im changing to some tccd ram.. ocz 3200 rev2

[longshot]

Thats an awesome oc with EB, considering its not rated highly for this board. i cant get passed 220mhz.. im changing to some tccd ram.. ocz 3200 rev2

my 3700EB does 250 in my Neo2 with no problems.

[Byron]

what timings you are running the EB's longshot?

[longshot]

stock timings. 2.5,3,3,7

[yuri]

Here is the max i can get with my bh-5 on the msi neo2 plat :D

http://24.158.153.163/images/279fsb.jpg

here is my chipset also

http://24.158.153.163/images/chipset.jpg

[Sheik]

Thats an awesome oc with EB, considering its not rated highly for this board.

Well I read a review the other day of this MSI (can't remember where) but they used OCZ3700EB and got 240 - 250 MHz. Some sticks of EB are definitely better than others. Both my sticks max out at 260 MHz in single channel.

My PQI TCCD is actually doing better on this MSI in Dual Channel than on my DFI NF3 250 in Single channel. Good going MSI !


what timings you are running the EB's longshot?

stock timings. 2.5,3,3,7

Huh ? Stock timings for EB are 3-3-2-6 not so ?

[funkflix]

Here is the max i can get with my bh-5 on the msi neo2 plat :D




Nice one! :) How much Volts for ur BH5?

[yuri]

3.8VDIMM :eek:

[No Mercy]

3.8VDIMM :eek:
and which bios are you using ?

[funkflix]

:eek: :eek: Thats enough! ;)

[yuri]

and which bios are you using ?
1.36b thats the only one atm right :p:

[Kriller]

Here is the max i can get with my bh-5 on the msi neo2 plat :D


:banana::banana::banana::banana:! Thats good, booster for 3,8v I presume?

[Orker]

stock timings. 2.5,3,3,7

Thats pretty nice.. but im running 3-2-2-10 and even with a ddr booster at 3.1v i cant get past 220mhz

[van Basten]

OMFG - I had to assemble three Winchester Rigs over the last week and this board is just pure trash.

All of the three rigs don't do their work properly - even with tons of various hardware being used (by me in order to find a solution). I swapped RAM, HDDs, PSUs and just about anything else you can imagine.

One of the boards made it into BIOS twice, once into Windows and died

Another one was doing fine for 1 day - and after that it was BSODing all over the place

The other one was simply DOA

And (just about last week) I ordered one for myself, which was a mess too.

This is so frustrating - I tried just about anything....(and I was using only really nice components - like the OCZ 420W PSU for example)

I was the one proposing to use the MSI instead of the ASUS to them, since those customers like to overclock and are willing to buy RAM and other stuff (from me :D ). Now I'm sitting here with those three ducks in front of me and have to figure out a solution.

It seems as if the people who are getting a decent one might be happy with em, but this is definitely the last time I ever proposed to someone to buy an MSI-Motherboard. Their Quality Department must be sleeping or taking some pills :stick:

Anyway, just my 2 cents

[Garrett]

I have no problems whatsoever, only problem I have is that I have a not-so-good cpu stepping I'm afraid, 0441 TPAW, it does 2.7ghz PiFast @ 1.74v @ highly unstable :D

The board doesn't give me any headaches :)

[sjh4]

just built my new rig msi k8n neo2 plat, athlon64 3800+, 2x512mb ocz pc4400 ram, gainward gt6800 gs card, audigy 2zs , samsung spinpoint 120gbx2 raid 0. antec p160 tower, samsung 1x dvd dual layer DVD rewriter

6800gt overclocked to 430/1200

htt 3 , multiplier 10, 260mhz clock ram 1:1 cpu voltage 1.525v ram 2.85v
ram cas 2.5 5:4:4 1t

running stable for past few hours, stressed with 3dmark 2005, sisoft 2005 and gaming eg hl2

using stock cooler on cpu and arctic cooler 5 on graphics system temp 34c

is this best i can go on stock cooler or could i push it further?

any help appreciated

[Garrett]

Well if the temps don't go through the roof you can bump up the voltage and try 2700Mhz or so... :)

[Orker]

Since my EB doesnt perform well on this mobo i was going to get some ocz 3200 rev2 tccd but that is out of stock nationwide for another couple of weeks! :(

i can get anything corsair or geil.. i was looking at corsair pc3200 Xtra Low Latency 2-2-2-5

EDIT: after reading through the thread "Memory that works well with MSI Neo2 Plat." and judging by these 2 posts it looks like i might be best to get 2x512 Geil PC3200 Ultra X TCCD


2x512 Geil Ultra X Pc3200 TCCD
285 paint stable @ 2'5-3-3 1T 2'75v


2 x 512mb Corsair 3200xl -- 280 3/4/4/8 1T
2 x 512mb OCZ Pc3200 Rev 2 -- 280 2.5/3/3/7 1T

From this the geil perform almost on par with ocz rev2 but not corsair.. anyone else having much luck with the geil ultra x and this board? does it respond well to more voltage?

[spacey]

hey when you guys are OCing, do you keep cool and quiet on? that was one of the reasons i bought an amd64.

i'm not sure what i'm going to do about the northbridge, it seems if i replace the HSF with the Zalman NB-47J it will interfere with the Zalman heatpipe I have on my video card.

[Byron]

Yeah, CnQ is disabled.

[aonic]

OK guys i know ive asked this before.. but before i RMA Ijust want to know if its my mobo or cpu..
whenever i load anything like linux images to start install or.. the lifegaurd tool by WD my PC freezes.. but i can install/use windows fine.. the same is the issue with many if not all dos based program that pre-load their files
what could be causing this?

[uniacid]

I think it would be the MB, I've had this happen to me on other platforms also (Intel)

[funkflix]

Lol! Now ur bios is "official pimped".. :D

[Jack]

Since my EB doesnt perform well on this mobo i was going to get some ocz 3200 rev2 tccd but that is out of stock nationwide for another couple of weeks! :(

i can get anything corsair or geil.. i was looking at corsair pc3200 Xtra Low Latency 2-2-2-5

EDIT: after reading through the thread "Memory that works well with MSI Neo2 Plat." and judging by these 2 posts it looks like i might be best to get 2x512 Geil PC3200 Ultra X TCCD

From this the geil perform almost on par with ocz rev2 but not corsair.. anyone else having much luck with the geil ultra x and this board? does it respond well to more voltage?

Did you ever take a look at Gskill memory?
its rated 2-2-2-5 @ 200MHz and 2.5-3-3-6 @ 275MHz
it has TCCD chips on it, just as OCZ 3200rev2.
some they should perform the same
but with Gskill you have the garanty that is will do 275 :D
And with Geil and Corsair you dont have that garanty

And TCCD doesn't respond well to more voltage...
2,7-2,8V seems to be the sweet spot

[spacey]

hrm, i can't seem to install xp on my setup. i have a neo2 with bios 1.2, using 2 barracudas in raid 0 on sata3/4. and my dvd burner on ide1.

i get BSOD during the installation and random places. any thoughts? maybe a DOS bios flash to something newer?

[|-jokker-|]

i flashed have been flashing the crap out of this thing and with the 1st bio's made dmi info with the 137 beta bio's i get weird option's in my bio's in the multi section..they dont work and im sure it's just a mistake but there kinda wierd,


Where did you get that strange bios ??
Apart of that small thing does that bios performe well ?

[spacey]

hrm, even though i had PQI Turbo 2-2-2-5 timings, apparently those were too tight to install xp.

i went to 3-3-3-6 and changed HTT to 3x and xp is installing without bsod! :)

[aonic]

MSI support is horrible just thought id let you people know.
I filled out the online tech support form and no replies for 2 weeks
So I call them up when my pc was not booting up when I first got it and they said they think it might be something bios related and they will send me a new bios chip, and its been 1 month and no bios chip... If i hadnt fixed my problem id still be waiting on this chip...

[Minnyboy]

Anyone using a Vapo PE on these Winnies?

I'm about to resurrect my "leaky" Vapo PE with the AMD64 kit & am wondering whether I'll have any issues with it like others have had when using phase-change.

With my 3GHz P4 @ 4.2GHz, I was seeing -12c on the CPU @ idle @ 12c @ full load, according to MBM5.3.7.1...

ChillControl rev2 was reporting that my Evap's temps were -31c @ idle & -18c under load.

Just asking as I wanna keep the Vapo PE on a 3200+ Winnie rather than a 3500+ NC....

Both do the same clocks, just the NC cost me an extra 100 odd bucks (Aussie dollars)...

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[Unrealcpu]

If anyone has trouble getting low temp readings with the K8N NEO2 downlaod the latest MBM5, use the K8N NEO Plat mobo selection, click settings go to temps, click CPU, and choose the first option for Winbond Diode 2

Mines shows -27 which is much better than getting 40C-163C


i downloaded the latest MBM and did what you said however my temps are still going from -33c to 50c and sometime 120-125c in sandra

idoes Mbm actually fix the problem or there isnt a way to tell your temps on this board. I guess just hope for the best lol

[.: Eru :.]

Try bios v141, it should fix the subzero temp issues.

[Th3__W00T_GuY__]

j0 guys! I can do HTT 320 but only with 8 multi wtf? any hints???? :confused:

btw: it's @ stock cooling :p:

[Sheik]

OK this MSI is doing OK.

[spacey]

wow 315 mhz! i have pqi turbo as well, i can't get past 250 mhz

what bios are you running and how much voltage to the ram? i'm using 1.41, i just flashed from 1.2 straight to that one.

i only have a 3200+ winchester though. i wouldn't mind hitting 275 mhz or something.

[Jack]

OK this MSI is doing OK.

Jesus, fantastic work :toast:
315mhz dual channel :slobber:

tell us more :D
settings? bios? A64Tweaker? voltage?

[Sheik]

Unfortunately it just gets through SuperPI. I almost made it throught Aquamark. Does run all benchamarks at 286x11 @ 3-3-3 which gives me best results. Aquamark is sitting at 89462 but server seems to be down at moment.

LDT = 3
BIOS 1.41
VCore 1.55 + 8.3 %
Memory = 2.75 Volts

I had problems running CAS 2.5 @ 200 MHz even . Changing to CAS3 solved that. This board and this memory absolutely rocks !!! :banana:

[spacey]

what is LDT?

i'm going to have to try different timings and keep playing around... though 250 MHz is decent.

[mad mikee]

Just measured VDimm and saw .025 undervolting :mad:

On the other hand, I'm only running my TCCD and 2.55V @ 260x10 (at least in memtest/goldmemory) :D Might have some headroom.

Just beginning to aquaint the 3500 / gskill w/ prime, should be 'interesting'

[Blue078]

Unfortunately it just gets through SuperPI. I almost made it throught Aquamark. Does run all benchamarks at 286x11 @ 3-3-3 which gives me best results. Aquamark is sitting at 89462 but server seems to be down at moment.

LDT = 3
BIOS 1.41
VCore 1.55 + 8.3 %
Memory = 2.75 Volts

I had problems running CAS 2.5 @ 200 MHz even . Changing to CAS3 solved that. This board and this memory absolutely rocks !!! :banana:

Fantastic clocks on that vcore :toast: What kinda temps is the MachII showing on the LCD under load ??

[Sheik]

Well ambient temps were really high yesterday as in around 26'C so the idle temps on display were about - 39'C and the "highest" was - 24'C (always a good sign that the evap is making good contact :D ). This FX55 really does heat up the old Prommy a bit.

Next I want to go back to an older BIOS to give me the +18% option as I can boot at 3.2 GHz but cannot get through SuperPI. I just wish it was winter again now :(

BTW I've had no issues with Mach2 / MSI K8N Neo2 at all. Not using updated firmware or anything. I do have temp problems. I heard the newest version of MBM was supposed to work here, but it just reads 40'C the whole time.

[Blue078]

Same here MSI BIOS reports 40c, Mach2 GT LCD reports -52c. I think most A64 mobos have temp reading problems :)

Wish it were winter again ???? Winter is just starting :D

[Sheik]

Wish it were winter again ???? Winter is just starting :D

Maybe by you, but not in sunny South Africa :cool:

[Blue078]

Maybe by you, but not in sunny South Africa :cool:

OIC now :)

[spacey]

Shiek: is there any particular reason why you choose 3-4-4-10?

I have the same RAM, and i was stuck at 250 @ 2.5-3-3-7 @ 2.75v
but then i tried 260 and 270 @ 3-4-4-10 and i passed memtest twice each

Benches in sisoft aren't that much better though, compared to 250, it was only like

7001/6922 MB/s @ 250
vs
7037/6943 MB/s @ 270

btw, what dimms do you have your sticks in? 1&2?

[Sheik]

I can boot at 300 Mhz 3-3-3 and run SuperPI, but I have to ease up on timings to get higher.

[uniacid]

I wanted to post with my updated system specs (see my sig) which I've had for a few weeks now, my max seems to be around 2.6Ghz b/c anything higher and it bsod's, I wanted to ask for some help to see if I can pull out anything higher with this chip, I'm using vcore 1.525V + 10% and the max I've seen is around 1.7-1.73V, I'm using the beta bios 1.41 right now, so do you guys have any tips or tricks that I should try? thanks

also I've gotten up to 300Mhz fsb
http://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/benchs/amd/300cpuzmem.JPGhttp://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/benchs/amd/300cpuz.JPG

for more screens check out http://intenseghetto.com/o/index.php?album=benchs%2Famd&sortby=name&order=asc

[WolfF]

Hi guys :) me again.

I had the "False start" bug with my first Neo2, so I sent it to RMA. Two weeks later, my second Neo2 arrived, although have the same issue. danm! I can't believe my luck!.

However, the Neo2 is the better 939 board on market IMHO I think it worths to test it once again.

A few days ago, my 3rd Neo2 arrived, wish me Luck!

I'll try the 1.41Beta BIOS :)

[WolfF]

Gentlemen, I'm glad to confirm that the "False Start bug" is CORRECTED with the 1.41Beta BIOS.

So far, two buggy MoBos (September batch) are fixed through this BIOS update
:toast: :toast:

Now, let's apply some thermal compound to the NB, and then OC this baby :D

nevermind :P, just ONE is OK, the other don't pass the test, False Starts still there. 50-50 :P

[Perc]

Gentlemen, I'm glad to confirm that the "False Start bug" is CORRECTED with the 1.41Beta BIOS.

So far, two buggy MoBos (September batch) are fixed through this BIOS update
:toast: :toast:

Now, let's apply some thermal compound to the NB, and then OC this baby :D

nevermind :P, just ONE is OK, the other don't pass the test, False Starts still there. 50-50 :P


im glad it worked for you man but my baord still false starts with my true control 550watt even with bios 1.41.... you just got lucky thats all. either that im just unlucky :p:

peace perc,

[spacey]

i just tried testing dimm1/2 vs dimm3/4 and i can confirm that 1/2 are more stable, memtest failed in 3/4 with the exact same settings that passed 1/2 :P

[Byron]

When i had my memory on dimm3&4 after running prime95 for a while the pc was rebooting by itself...
Dimms1&2 work best for me.

[WolfF]

That's OK guys :D

Just remember, the manual says that Double Sided Modules works better on DIMM Slots 1&2 :)

[aonic]

how can i find out if my module is double sided, if it has a heatspreader on it?

[[XC] serlv]

Will the Thermalright XP-90 fit this board? I realze, due to the placement of the DIMM slots and, hence, the proximity of the socket to the AGP slot, that the 120 is out of the question.

But with the XP-90's off-center raised over hang, will this desirable cooler fit?

Anybody using one of the Neo2?

[Pimp!]

serlv, yup it fits perfectly fine :)

http://www.chris.silent-sceptiks.com/a643.jpg

[WolfF]

That's right, just dont combo with XL Pros, those Modules are higher.

:)

[No Mercy]

A little tip: If you cannot raise the vcore in BIOS (in case of me, only get 1.6V max @ BIOS), you can do it with Core Center. Simply install the Core Center,run it, then increase the vcore in step 0.05V . Remember to quit Core Center after finish your work or your system will be unstable.

[jikdoc]

not only does it fit fine on the msi k8n neo2 plat, but the overhang on the xp-90 cools dimm slots 1&2 perfectly.

[uniacid]

anyone have any ideas of how I can oc higher? see my post above thx

[[XC] serlv]

anyone have any ideas of how I can oc higher? see my post above thx


Not sure what is happening there, but
gonna be watching this thread. If I had a watercooled FX-53 and that is all it did I think I'd shoot myself. :) ( or it! )

What other multiplers have you used? Have you tried 10 x 260, 11 x 250, 13 x 210, etc.

What about different RAM? What other sticks have you used in that machine?

[saaya]

not only does it fit fine on the msi k8n neo2 plat, but the overhang on the xp-90 cools dimm slots 1&2 perfectly.

who said it wouldnt?

it doesnt fit with corsair xl pro memory, but with normal memory it should fit... :)

[uniacid]

Not sure what is happening there, but
gonna be watching this thread. If I had a watercooled FX-53 and that is all it did I think I'd shoot myself. :) ( or it! )

What other multiplers have you used? Have you tried 10 x 260, 11 x 250, 13 x 210, etc.

What about different RAM? What other sticks have you used in that machine?

I'll have to try more multipliers but in terms of ram I only have the ocz

[uniacid]

update: I tried diff multipliers but the max seems to be around 2.6 with the settings I've been using, even at 2.6 it isn't stable so I'm keeping it at 2.55Ghz, I don't know what else it can be since I'm fairly new to A64 Overclocking :/

[Jack]

update: I tried diff multipliers but the max seems to be around 2.6 with the settings I've been using, even at 2.6 it isn't stable so I'm keeping it at 2.55Ghz, I don't know what else it can be since I'm fairly new to A64 Overclocking :/

have you tried another bios? 1.36 bios runs really nice on my mobo :D

[uniacid]

I've tried 1.3 and 1.41, I'll have to try 1.36

[GazC]

update: I tried diff multipliers but the max seems to be around 2.6 with the settings I've been using, even at 2.6 it isn't stable so I'm keeping it at 2.55Ghz, I don't know what else it can be since I'm fairly new to A64 Overclocking :/

have you disabled aggresive chipset timings? That really causes problems at HTTs beyond 240-250

[WolfF]

Hi guys! :D

How did you configure the IDE Options, for Benches :) ?

I've one Single SATA Seagate 80 GBs conected just for Benching.

I checked with HDTach270 and give me very lousy performance, about 40% of CPU Utilization.

http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/goyomora/Pub/BIOSIDENeo2.gif


Update
OK, Disabled IDE Controllers + Enable SATA DMA

I tested with HD Tach 3, gives 2% CPU Utilization | Random Access 12.9ms | Avg read 47.2

So it seems that HDTach270 doesnt compatible with nVIDIA nForce3 controller

[Minnyboy]

New 1.51b beta bios...

So far so good...

Before you ask or PM me for the bios, I am under "NDA" :D...

If you would like to test the bios, please PM OnePageBook or conrad.maranan & I'm sure they'd email the bios to ya or link you to the 1.51 beta bios...

Only thing I am not happy with the 1.51 bios is that VID is still only 10% max...

Minor problem only, I just use CoreCenter & get up to 1.75v (when set at 1.85 in CoreCenter)...

So far so good... Update this post/thread after a day or two to see if there's any problems that arise...

More info on the 1.51 bios 1.51b bios thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=615076#post615076)

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[Byron]

Any info about what has been updated on the 1.51 bios ?

Cheers,
B

[WolfF]

where is the VDimm Read point, on this board?

[funkflix]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16656

[j0j0]

does the zalman cnps 7000B Cu fits one the msi?

[split]

does the zalman cnps 7000B Cu fits one the msi?

Yep, but don't use the MSI backplate.

[donnydorko]

Hey guys whats up , well i just got all the parts for my new computer and hooked everything up. Everything works great except my audigy 2 doesn't get detected. I disabled the onboard sound in the bios, and when windows boots up i get nothing, nothing in the system hardware, and when i try too install the audigy drivers manually it says cannot detect an audigy installed.

I also tried sticking it in other pci slots and sticking my ethernet card in the pci slots, it also doenst get detected.

So my question is why isnt anything getting detected in my pci slots?? am i missing something????? They work on my old computer...

Just making sure i dont have to do anythign special for the pci slots to work, they should work once i pop them in right? windows should detect some new hardware... Anyways just checking before i rma it back.

[j0j0]

sorry for the noob question , but where can i turn LDT down to 3x ? i can't find it ...

[Sheik]

The BIOS lists it as "HT Frequency" ... same thing.

[Vranichou]

I have heard that the temp reporting on the Neo 2 is inaccurate. Just how inaccurate is it? I have readings of 60C+ in CoreCenter and would really be upset if I were to fry this CPU. Running 265 x 10 @ 1.55 + 15% to see if I can get Prime stable.

[mikead_99]

I have heard that the temp reporting on the Neo 2 is inaccurate. Just how inaccurate is it? I have readings of 60C+ in CoreCenter and would really be upset if I were to fry this CPU. Running 265 x 10 @ 1.55 + 15% to see if I can get Prime stable.

I don't know how off it is on air, but under a Mach 1 my 3 GHz load temps are shown in the +50's, lol. It's off a lot.

[uniacid]

can anyone help with my issue of not being to oc any higher? thx

[saaya]

Hey guys whats up , well i just got all the parts for my new computer and hooked everything up. Everything works great except my audigy 2 doesn't get detected. I disabled the onboard sound in the bios, and when windows boots up i get nothing, nothing in the system hardware, and when i try too install the audigy drivers manually it says cannot detect an audigy installed.

I also tried sticking it in other pci slots and sticking my ethernet card in the pci slots, it also doenst get detected.

So my question is why isnt anything getting detected in my pci slots?? am i missing something????? They work on my old computer...

Just making sure i dont have to do anythign special for the pci slots to work, they should work once i pop them in right? windows should detect some new hardware... Anyways just checking before i rma it back.
make sure you have plug n play enabled... it might be an irq problem, contact the msi support and check the msi support forums first for similar problem.
please report back one you find a solution for the problem so others can fix it quickly :)


can anyone help with my issue of not being to oc any higher? thx

details?
did you try all the tricks mentioned on the first page of this thread and in the ultimate 939 guide?

[uniacid]

yeah I've tried most of the tips besides the hardmods and I've only been able to oc stably around 2.6 using htt 3x, 10x260, I'm also using the 1.51 bios

heres a screenie of cpuz at stock

http://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/benchs/amd/fxcpuz.JPG

any other info you would need?

[Zanr Zij]

I think using 3x HTT is not good 4 260x10. mine max with HTT 4x @ 276x10 and very stable @260x10@ Vcore 1.45v (winy 3200+, K8N Neo2 on Air.. )

[saaya]

i think its your cpu maxing out, not the board... try a lower multi.

what vcore what cpu load temps?
or maybe its the memory... what timings?

[aonic]

does anyone else have a problem with the nforce built-in-nic where it takes of 10 kb/s of upload speed?

[saaya]

did you try a nic card?

[Blue078]

does anyone else have a problem with the nforce built-in-nic where it takes of 10 kb/s of upload speed?

Are you useing the nVidia Firewall ?

[.: Eru :.]

Are you using built-in Nvidia firewall?
I suggest trying a NIC card.....and another tip:

Start --> Run --> gpedit.msc
Administrative Templates --> Network --> QoS Packet --> Limit Reservable Bandwidth

Set this value to ENABLED 0%.

Regards!

[jeffstet]

hi,

I have now my new pc since a week and i travelled around the net to have answers for the several problems i encountered. Now my pc is running so-so but he is running. I have :
Msi k8n neo2 platinum (bios v1.3)
a64 3500+ @220*11 (ht 4*) (don't know if its a 0.13 or 0.09 i'll explain later but he is working with 1.525 v now)
Zalman cnps 7000b cu with artic silver 5
2*512 ocz el 2-3-2-6
Gainward 2600 golden sample
Audigy 2 zs

I'm facing strange problems and hope anyone could help me with it.

1) I have a temperature problem . With mbm 5 or the core center. Sometimes the proc is 37°idle at bootup and sometimes it is at 48°!!!! I saw that there is a temperature issue with the board that is strange is that when i bootup at 37° everything works fine but when it's 48° i keep having freeze in any tests 3dmark or so. C&q is not activated in bios and i have not installed the c&q patche for a64 (i uninstalled it cause with it it took 1min to restart the system each time).
2) I have the 1.3 bios and what is strange is that each time i reset it by clearing cmos or removing the battery, he identifies the proc as an a64 3500+ but sometimes <with a 1.4v and sometimes with a 1.5. It's strange...
I have noted the information on the proc it read :
ADA3500DEP4AW
CBAEC0429RPMW
1062954G40449
If anyone knows if its a 0.9 or a 0.13 it would be nice to tell me.
3) I also have issues with the soundblaster in games such as fifa2005 the sounds sometimes stop and by just quitting and restarting it works. (the sound chip is disable)
4) What is strange is that my pc worked all night running memtest with no errors (11 hours) and the night before running prime95 (7hours) with absolutely no errors. I even tested the memory with a fsb at 250 with crap timing just to see if the meory stands the 1:1 ratio at 250 (i tried ht 4x fsb 250 *8 to be sure there wont be issues with the proc ) and everything works well but it seems my proco is becoming too hot with a voltage >1.525, so i cant make a 10*250. I though is was a Thermal paste problem and i reapplied Artic silver 5 but the prob is still here. I cant go above 11*220 is this normal ? 1.55 seems not a very high voltage and i find it so strange i have such temperature and heating problems, anyone as an idea?

Thanks a lot for reading and hope anyone could help me.

[NiCKE^]

Welcome to Xtremesystems.org jeffstet.

Download this one http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-125.zip
then you see if it recongnize your cpu as Winchester(90nmn) or Newcastle(130nm).
Try ht ratio 3x for higher clocks. Yeah is a known problem with the temp, speedfan says my cpu is at 117C which isnt right of course :D Hope I could help you out with something.

[jeffstet]

thanks i used it already and cpuz tells me its a 0.13, but the last mem test version (1.4) says its a 0.09 and since voltage keep moving each time i reset it i had a doubt.
For the temp issue what is strange is that it seems that whem temp idle is around 37° everything runs fine and when it boots 48° i have freezes, so i think there is a real random temperature at startup even if the temperature reading is false.

[uniacid]

this is at the max fsb I've tried
http://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/benchs/amd/300cpuzmem.JPG

my vcore I've been trying 1.50-1.525 w/ +10% so its around 1.70

[.: Eru :.]

I guess you know about half multipliers. Memory's not working at 300MHz.

300 * 8.5 = 2550
2550 / 9 = 283.3p

Remember, when using half multipliers the memory rounds up .5 .

See ya!

[Zanr Zij]

I can run 265x10 stable, 280x10, 279x10 benchable with HTT 4x...

[Zanr Zij]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/ZanrZij/A64/CPU/veryStable2.jpg

:toast:

[saaya]

hey guys, try bios 1.51! :D

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47325

fixes nvraid issues and seems to give some people higher ocs :)

[MaxxxRacer]

hmm... seems interesting... i will check it out... hopefully it doesnt have voltage issues like 1.41 did for me... had to go back to 1.36 just to fix the problems...

And saaya, go get urself a s939 board... or get a cpu for ur dfi board ur poor shmuck!

[Zanr Zij]

hey guys, try bios 1.51! :D

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47325

fixes nvraid issues and seems to give some people higher ocs :)


tried ! Sad 2 say that no better... ! n Back 2 1..36b. I have many option Vcore with this BIOS ver...

[jeffstet]

huh, i'm definitely having a hard time wth that board....
I just downloaded and flashed the 1.41 bios linked in the 1rst page and i'm having strange voltage values in corecell or mbm 5. It says 3.xx v for the vcore !!!! I went back in the bios and read 1.45 +10%vid which should be 1.6 or something, definitely strange. Also a strange thing i could not get more than 1.55 vcore voltage....
After fighting a lot to avoid freezes, blue screens and artifacts on the screen, i had to remove nv speed up and agp fastwrites so that the board is stable in 3d graphics. I have a gainward 2600 gs and i can't get more that the defaut frequencies (430/1200) and removing fast write let me loose 200 points in 3dmark 05 falling from 5501 to 5325....
I also have difficulties with o/c since i cannot have more than 220 fsb with htt 4*. The memory runs stable (11hours of memtest) at 2.5-3-2-6 2t but fails at 2-3-2-6. I have the ocz pc3200 el and when i tried to max the fsb to try and be as high possible 1-1 with proco. I was stuck at 260 * 9 * 3htt but with horrible timing (i dont remember but it was horrible like 3-4-4-12 2T). 10 * 260 fails, and i don't know if its a temperature issue or simply a voltage limitation.
Any issue with the 1.41 bios and voltage ? Any new possibility to activate fast write, and why is it failing ? I also search a good bios for my 2600 gs and how i could raise the voltage and have a try to o/c a bit more.

[Ratax]

Well, went back to 1.4B1 bios.

Regarding some tips that Pedro Rocha gave us in another forum, I can now get 300HTT and more in my Neo2 with chipset week 10 of 2004.

I raise the AGP voltage to 1.8, I take off the vcore mod and use the core cell for that instead.
With my Mushkin BH5 PC3500 @2:2:2:6 and 2T disabled, configured in AUTO and 166Mhz in bios, and with my Vapo LS I get these values:

Benchable in some way...:
http://clientes.netvisao.pt/ratax/300HTT.JPG

Not benchable, yet :P
http://clientes.netvisao.pt/ratax/310HTT.JPG

I made few tests that were not enough to test rock stability, but will run some more and see what I can get with this chip...

[j0j0]

that's what i'm getting so far....
3200+ , bios 1.37beta , adata bh5

[saaya]

huh, i'm definitely having a hard time wth that board....
I just downloaded and flashed the 1.41 bios linked in the 1rst page and i'm having strange voltage values in corecell or mbm 5. It says 3.xx v for the vcore !!!! I went back in the bios and read 1.45 +10%vid which should be 1.6 or something, definitely strange. Also a strange thing i could not get more than 1.55 vcore voltage....
After fighting a lot to avoid freezes, blue screens and artifacts on the screen, i had to remove nv speed up and agp fastwrites so that the board is stable in 3d graphics. I have a gainward 2600 gs and i can't get more that the defaut frequencies (430/1200) and removing fast write let me loose 200 points in 3dmark 05 falling from 5501 to 5325....
I also have difficulties with o/c since i cannot have more than 220 fsb with htt 4*. The memory runs stable (11hours of memtest) at 2.5-3-2-6 2t but fails at 2-3-2-6. I have the ocz pc3200 el and when i tried to max the fsb to try and be as high possible 1-1 with proco. I was stuck at 260 * 9 * 3htt but with horrible timing (i dont remember but it was horrible like 3-4-4-12 2T). 10 * 260 fails, and i don't know if its a temperature issue or simply a voltage limitation.
Any issue with the 1.41 bios and voltage ? Any new possibility to activate fast write, and why is it failing ? I also search a good bios for my 2600 gs and how i could raise the voltage and have a try to o/c a bit more.


ALWAYS disable ati/nv speedup and fast writes :D
and what card do you have? a 2600? :confused: never heard of that... what vpu is it based on?
use the 1.36b or 1.37 bios is 1.41 doesnt work for you, or try the 1.51... ;)
only 2.36b and 1.37 allow for 1.9v vcore afaik, 1.8v for newcastles that is i guess...
and why do you want to activate fast writes? :confused:

Ratax, did you get a higher oc by removing the vcore mod and adjusting the vcore in bios? or a more stable vcore? what did you set it to in bios before? the lowest value and then rose it with the mod?

j0j0, what memory and what timings? what ht multi?

[j0j0]

memory 2*256 adata bh5 week 42 , ht @4 , timings @ auto

[saaya]

280 with 4x multi :eek: nice! 1150HT speed, should give you nice numbers in 2k1 :)

[jeffstet]

@saaya : hi, i have the 2600 golden sample from gainward. Its a 6800ultra board @ 430/1200 with 1.6 memory. I was just wondering why we had to disable fastwrite since i used it with my old fx5900, and that it increases global perfs ? Well anyway i decided to disable it as it was the only way to after a so-so stable PC.
Yestrday i flashed to 1.36bios and averything went much better. I'm currently at 11*225 and ran 6 hours of prime 95 and 5 hours memtest and played 2 hours doom. Everything seemed to be working well. This early morning i decided to reboot the pc, and wanted to run a few more tests and crashes in 10 mins of prime. It's so strange.
My temperatures are 32 idle and 58-60 in burn. The core voltage is at 1.67v and i can't go down unless instability. My memory is at 2.7v. My zalman cnps7000b cu runs at full and i have put artic silver 5 thermal paste. I know the temps are strange with this board and i hope these are not the real one. I definitely have a problem but where? voltage ? temps ? cpu limit ?

[jeffstet]

Initially i thought there were not enough thermal paste 'cause from 32° idle to 58°-60 (a pike at 62) it seems really a lot !!! More than 25° difference... So i had some more but the problem stayed the same....

[saaya]

post your complete system specs so we can help you.

and about fast writes, many people tested it and it gave them a really small performence boost. well you decide, fast write enabled+low oc+instability or fast write disabled+high oc+stability :D

and the second one is much faster than the first :D

[jeffstet]

@saya : For sure i'll take the second....In fact i was just wondering what makes fast write so instable. With my a7n8x e-deluxe and my asus FX5900 board i had good o/c and fast write enable. Is this a 6800u issue ? A mb issue ? A chipset issue ?
I was wondering if it was not an issue with the mobo since i had ( and still have a few) many problems with this mobo (unstable voltage (before bios 1.36b, crazy temps, blue screens, reboot, artefacts in 3d games, sound suddenly stopping in games and comes back by just quitting games, etc...). Most of these problems disappeared when i flashed to 1.36b disabled fw and nv speedup but i still have some issues : Temps, not so stable voltage (with my a7n8x and with the same PSU : no problems) e.G. : 11.87-12.26 at +12v 4.5-5.05 at +5 v 3.03-3.25 at 3.3v, memory with bios v1.2 or v1.3 could just stand 2-3-2-6 at 200 fsb and above 220 i had horrible timings such as 4-4-11-4 (before 1.36b). Now with 1.36b its much better my ram runs fine (6hours mem test + 4hours prime95 @ 2.5-3-6-2 which is good for me).
But when i say its instable i meant this morning for example i just booted the pc and ran a single prime just to test and it fails in less than 5mins (with the same settings 6 hours memtest + 4 prime95 +2 hours of doom+ 1 game of fifa and during that i had to quit 1 time doom and 1 time fifa for sound issues. With the mobo chipset i have no prob and the sound drivers are up to date). I just rebooted the pc and prime is carrying on (i started this morning 8 o'clock) and i just connected to my pc and he is still running. That's really strange.
I won't activate fast write nor nvsppedup and idecided to try and o/c a bit, let say up to 2.6 would be great if my proc can get there...

My system specs are :

PSU ENERMAX 600W Noisetaker EG701AX-VE
MSI NEO2 PLATINUM : bios 1.36b (the only that seemed to be stable), htt: 4x FSB: 225 mhz coef : 11 FW disable nv speedup disable temperature in bios : 21°/41° (at bootup) cpu : 1.67 v (1.525 +10%) Memory : 2.7 v agp : 1.5 v timing ram : 2.5-3-6-2.
AMD 64 3500+ (0.13ù @ 225*11 @1.67v)
2 * 512mb OCZ EL (2.5-3-6-2 @2.7v)
GAINWARD Powerpack 2600 GOLDEN SAMPLE (6800 ultra) bios 15.06 (@430*1200)
Audigy 2 ZS soundblaster
Internal Kortex ADSL Modem
TEKRAM DC 390U SCSI Controller
ide drive : Ibm DTTA 371010 10GO with w2k
Maxtor Diamond max plus 9 80Go
Western Digital 122 Go

SCSI UNIT : ULTRAPLEX 40x
PLEXWRITER 12/10/32s

Cooling : 1 NOISEBLOCKER SX2 (12cm) in front panel at the bottom to cool my 3 ide drives
2 Enermax fans UC-8FAB (8cm) (extracting a)
1 Zalman CNPS 7000b cu + Artic silver5 on the cpu.

I hope you have everything you need.

P.S. : i forgot to say that cool and quiet is disabled in bios and that i had to uninstall the a64 C&Q driver because with it i took me 1min for each rebbot in windows. I have tried the 66.81 66.93 and 67.03 drivers and my pc is best with these last ones. I also have the 5.10 nforce drivers installed. W2k is up to date (sp4 and all the hotfixes).

[uniacid]

I guess you know about half multipliers. Memory's not working at 300MHz.

300 * 8.5 = 2550
2550 / 9 = 283.3p

Remember, when using half multipliers the memory rounds up .5 .

See ya!

I've still heard conflicting opinions about that but w/e I was just posting a ss

also saaya I don't know if my temps are correct but using speefan I get 40-44 idle and then 48-55 load

[Riverna]

I have a big Problem, my system runs with 9*300FSB 1:1 prime and superpi stable with 3-4-4-8 and 2.6 VDimm Voltage. With 10*270FSB 1:1 3-4-4-8 i become "not exakt in round" error in SuperPI. I tested it with 2,55 till 2,85 VDimm but the problem is still there. The HT-Link i´m testing on 3x and 4x.

1.37B Mod Bios, 1.41B Mod Bios and 1.51 Bios all testing :(

[Rauf]

I have a big Problem, my system runs with 9*300FSB 1:1 prime and superpi stable with 3-4-4-8 and 2.6 VDimm Voltage. With 10*270FSB 1:1 3-4-4-8 i become "not exakt in round" error in SuperPI. I tested it with 2,55 till 2,85 VDimm but the problem is still there. The HT-Link i´m testing on 3x and 4x.

1.37B Mod Bios, 1.41B Mod Bios and 1.51 Bios all testing :(

well, 939-systems can be very strange...my combo (3200+, Neo2, TCCD) gets lots of errors in memtest @ 8x275 and 9X275. While 10x275 is completely stable!! an a higher multi on A64 actually increases the memory bandwith so it should be less stable at a higher multi. On my old Abit AV8-board the memory wouldn't even boot at 260, while 275 worked flawlessly.
So just keep playing around with your settings until you find one you like that works. But i don't see why you would want 275 when 300 works.

try using the other mem-slots to, helped me a little...

[jeffstet]

I have found what is my problem precisely but not the answer. In the bios the voltage of the cpu is 1.65. Each time i boot up the pc it seems the voltage get crazy. I open mbm in windows and find that the voltage is 3.3 !!!!!! I thought it was just a visual bug so i try to lauchn prime95 and he fails in less then 5min ===>reboot. Since the pc was not stopped but rebooted i went in the bios to see the voltage and it says 1.65 right!!! then windows boot and mbm shows the right voltage 1.65. So i tried to stop the pc again left it for 5-10 min and booted back and you know what mbm showed me te 3.3 v for core cpu again. I then rebooted directly this time whiyhout going in the bios and mbm shows me 1.65 rightly.
After cold boot i have 3.3v and i need to reboot to have the correct one.... Anybody has an answer for this?

[Terminator82]

i've a big problem with this motherboard when i insert a floppy disk and i read this appear a message "this disk is not formatted" but the disk function in other system there are a solution for a floppy problem in k8n neo2??? help me!

[j0j0]

i've a big problem too, if i want to use my ocz booster and 2*256 A-Date nh5 it doesen't work but if i put one stick in , the ocz booster works fine , need help!
that means , i can increase the voltage on the two stick but nothing happend , no difference between 2.6v and ~3.9v , but with one stick and ~3.7v i can boot and run 32m without problems, and it makes no difference which stick i use.
bios is 1.36b

[aonic]

the QOS thing did not help,
I know you guys think I should just use a NIC, but i spent $130 on a product and it should work like its supposed to :p

[IvanAndreevich]

Best bios for crap memory on Micron chips (obviously a ratio) with a 3200+ winch, good water? The board is relatively new - 0438 chipset.

0432 - OK week for a winch, or should I look for a later one?

[aonic]

from what i hear Ivan, its just the luck of the draw. but i think week 41+ have higher chances

[The Virus]

Can someone explain to me why when using .5 multi the Hyper transport

doesn't increase while upping the htt speed. In bios i set 4xhtt and i set my

memory to run 333mhz , using clockgen in windows i set 10.5x250htt but my

HT still remains 800 instead of 1000, 4x250htt. Right? Could it be that .5

multi locks the HT so it gives u the ability to only oc your memory and cpu

frequency.

[j0j0]

i've a big problem too, if i want to use my ocz booster and 2*256 A-Date nh5 it doesen't work but if i put one stick in , the ocz booster works fine , need help!
that means , i can increase the voltage on the two stick but nothing happend , no difference between 2.6v and ~3.9v , but with one stick and ~3.7v i can boot and run 32m without problems, and it makes no difference which stick i use.
bios is 1.36b
plz need help :(

[arj]

My NEO2 just went up in flames! Well, a small part of it only. A MOSFET next to the CPU socket to be exact.

Last night, I set my FX-55 (watercooled) to 2.8Ghz with 1.8v vcore. Played games for a few hours with that setting. I didn't switch off the PC and when I woke up this morning it was off. Went I switch it on, flames was shooting from the MOSFET! I saw it because the mobo was right next to me. Luckily the NEO2 was the only casualty.

My question is, what could have caused the MOSFET to burn? Vcore too high? Inadequet cooling on the MOSFET?

[Byron]

Next to the cpu, where exactly ???
Got any pics ?

[Garrett]

I wouldn't mind if my board blew up... damn thing isn't stable @ 2.5Ghz and over :(

That's what you get with a 0409 :(

[Saulous]

Hello Xtreme! So this is my first post here but I've read this forum for over 2 years :).

I have a problem with my 6 day-old board; when trying to put more vcore than 1.55+10% the comp won't post till end, it freezes after showed memory speed and settings. Why does this happen?? In windows with corecenter I can up vcore till 1.8 and it is very stable, although it does not help me very much to get higher mhz. I use 1.41mod bios, same problem with 1.36b bios. Is there any other program than corecenter to up vcore on windows? Corecenter does the upping upside down :D but who cares, but upping the vcore at the xp login automatically would be great. Now I'm stuck with 1.65vc.

I also noticed today that the common procedure to get the comp to boot by pressing Insert-key when booting works with Neo2 :). For example today I had to clear cmos every time after I tried over +10% but after I tryed the insert key I booted straight to safe mode, nice :)!

[Necrosis]

1. The first thing I would like to say is less of a question, more like an observation.

I have a 3200 Winchester /w Corsair HydroCool 200EX setup.

Prior to this setup I had a 3.0e Prescott P4 @ 3.5GHz.

Intel Setup Temps.
Idle on Water Block 26-28c idle
Idle 34-37c
Load 42c

Now with my A64 setup.

Waterblock idle 24.5-26c
Idle 40c
Load 43c

It almost seems like my CPU temp is almost 9c off?

I had/have Artic Silver 5 applied to both setups.

2. I have MBM installed per instructions on first page. I have 3 temps listed by having my mouse pointer hover over the taskbar icon.

Case 21c. CPU 40c Sensor 30c

What is the third reading of?

3. I tried seeing the hidden features in my bios per these instructions.

In the bios press and hold Shift+F2 and then press ALT+F3 to unlock "hidden" features within the BIOS

I don't see anything else in the bios? BTW, I have 1.3.

Thanks for any help

[trans am]

HAving huge problems...

I'm on bios 1.51 and ocz powerstream rails are like 12.20v on the 12v 3.35 on the 3.3 line and 5v rail is even 5v. I don't have a multimeter to test, but this is what I get from the bios, I'm not sure how acurate it really is. my cpu temps are around 35-39c load. 3 sets of tccd all work fine in memtest. but as soon as I overclock past stock and go into windows, problems occur. For example I tried 2.6ghz and lowered ht link to 3x. agp/pci lock is set at 66, but it seems to lock fine in clockgen. I am using sata 3and4 in raid0, and that seems ok. I ran prime 95 at stock almost 18hrs on small fft torture test, didn't get a single error, but I ran the same test after setting to 2.6 and passed up to test 3 and then system reboot and windows xp screen just hangs until I hold power button. Normally you would get an error and prime will automatically stop, but in this case system just randomly reboots itself. I am really out of ideas here and I'm begging for advice. neo2 is week 41 on nf3 chip. could this be a bad bios? or is board just shot from too much ddr booster? I never ran booster over 3.5v mostly it was between 3v and 3.3v. cooling is not really an issue here, so it's either bios, power flux., or faulty board. I thought it might be the cpu at first, but how do you explain 18hrs of prime with no errors f the cpu was at fault? i tried low vcore and vcore up to 1.72, fastwrites is off, everything else like nv/ati is disabled, I read the msi 939 thread and I'm following all the advice. I also lowered oc to 2.4 and 2.5 and adjusted ram voltage and vcore acordingly.
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[aonic]

Necrosis, this motherboard does not report accurate tempratures

[Necrosis]

Necrosis, this motherboard does not report accurate tempratures

That is what I'd gathered so far by reading this thread, and various other sources. It just would be great to know by how much it really is off before I start OC'ing. I just put this thing together this past Sunday. Here are the rest of my specs.

1 Gig OCZ PC4400
EVGA 6800 Ultra
Seagate 120 SATA x2
A2 ZS
Pioneer 108
LiteOn 48x24x48
Toshiba 16x
OCZ PS 520

and other odds and ends

I think maybe on the safe side I will adjust MBM by 7-8c.

[The Virus]

HAving huge problems...

I'm on bios 1.51 and ocz powerstream rails are like 12.20v on the 12v 3.35 on the 3.3 line and 5v rail is even 5v. I don't have a multimeter to test, but this is what I get from the bios, I'm not sure how acurate it really is. my cpu temps are around 35-39c load. 3 sets of tccd all work fine in memtest. but as soon as I overclock past stock and go into windows, problems occur. For example I tried 2.6ghz and lowered ht link to 3x. agp/pci lock is set at 66, but it seems to lock fine in clockgen. I am using sata 3and4 in raid0, and that seems ok. I ran prime 95 at stock almost 18hrs on small fft torture test, didn't get a single error, but I ran the same test after setting to 2.6 and passed up to test 3 and then system reboot and windows xp screen just hangs until I hold power button. Normally you would get an error and prime will automatically stop, but in this case system just randomly reboots itself. I am really out of ideas here and I'm begging for advice. neo2 is week 41 on nf3 chip. could this be a bad bios? or is board just shot from too much ddr booster? I never ran booster over 3.5v mostly it was between 3v and 3.3v. cooling is not really an issue here, so it's either bios, power flux., or faulty board. I thought it might be the cpu at first, but how do you explain 18hrs of prime with no errors f the cpu was at fault? i tried low vcore and vcore up to 1.72, fastwrites is off, everything else like nv/ati is disabled, I read the msi 939 thread and I'm following all the advice. I also lowered oc to 2.4 and 2.5 and adjusted ram voltage and vcore acordingly.
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From what i heard you have to set 67mhz on agp to lock it.

[DevilsRejection]

From what i heard you have to set 67mhz on agp to lock it.
idk if thats true or not, requesting conformation, but 1Mhz above spec doesn't like it will do much damage

[The Virus]

idk if thats true or not, requesting conformation, but 1Mhz above spec doesn't like it will do much damage


Thats impossible, 1mhz more will not damage anything.

[MaxxxRacer]

devilsrejection.. That is really quite funny. MSI made it so that it locks it when you set it to 67mhz. Its part of the way the board works. You can run pci bus a few mhz out of spec and it wont do anything. IN FACT.. the fluctuation allowed by the crystal that generates the mhz is probably within 1mhz. if you notice with cpuz sometimes your fsb will go up or down by .5 or so. well 1.0 isnt that far off.

Anyway, to quote the good doctor "its all within respectabe limits"

[trans am]

Guys, bios is 1.51. No need to set at 67 anymore to lock!!! if you don't believe me you can try it yourselves with clockgen.

[DevilsRejection]

Guys, bios is 1.51. No need to set at 67 anymore to lock!!! if you don't believe me you can try it yourselves with clockgen.
you mean bios 1.51 beta? so how do you set the lock then?

edit: where do you get the latest bios's

[NiCKE^]

I got my AGP lock @ 66mhz on 1.4 :D

[xs64]

Can anyone confirm again , what Bios can lock PCI/AGP at 66Mhz ??

[trans am]

Can anyone confirm again , what Bios can lock PCI/AGP at 66Mhz ??

any bios after 1.37 I believe.. look in the 939 tips and tricks thread for the bios's

[esdee]

Guys, bios is 1.51. No need to set at 67 anymore to lock!!! if you don't believe me you can try it yourselves with clockgen.


1.41 here, no need too, maybe newer stepping mobos don't need 67

[mad mikee]

Small FFTs only stress a small part of the CPU (I fergit -maybe just the float point parts?)

Blend starts by stressing the memory controller (1024M) and memory subsystem. 18hrs of small ffts means nothing (except that it can run 18hrs of small ffts....)

When I do custom, I go from 1024-4096 so as to burnin the memory subsystem in a more/different way than memtest can.......

(No I can't get prime to do it right @ 2650 either so there! (need nyeah smiley) :brick:

[Big Deel]

MSI K8N Neo2-939
TIP: bios 1.36b and 1.37 and modded variants seem to work best for bh5/bh6

Is bios 1.36b the same as 1.36 ?
I do not see a 1.36a :confused:

[Saulous]

Dudes, the Insert procedure have today again saved me more than 10 cmos jumper clear hulabaloo does it work with your comps too? If it does work it should be a tip at the beginning of this thread as there is nothing about it written in the manual ;).

[IvanAndreevich]

Saulous
Pretty much common knowledge :) But I don't see how adding it would hurt.

Gee.. finals be over, new CPUs be in-stock!

ALL
Will this board work with my 550W True Control?

[Garrett]

Saulous
Pretty much common knowledge :) But I don't see how adding it would hurt.

Gee.. finals be over, new CPUs be in-stock!

ALL
Will this board work with my 550W True Control?
I don't see why not :)

I'm 'lucky' that my OCZ Powerstream 520 works flawlessly with this board, lots of users had problems with that combo.

[IvanAndreevich]

I've seen somebody post they had problems with Antec PSUs. Anybody have it working with a TrueControl/TruePower PSU?

[Blue078]

I have been runing mine with a True Control 550 for months @260x11 1:1 with out issue.

[IvanAndreevich]

Blue078
Excellent! One more question - what voltages are you getting? Especially the 12V line.

[Orker]

Im trying to flash my bios but cant seem to get it right

What am i doing wrong?? please dont give link to msi's description

This is what im typing and then the error comes up at the bottom

I have a boot disk and the other disk has awfl833d.exe and w7025nms_141mod
thx

http://img119.exs.cx/img119/103/Picture564.jpg

[DevilsRejection]

orker, try adding the extension of the file.

[Orker]

Its ok ive successfully flashed.. The file i was using from http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html wasnt working

I used the one in post#1 of this thread instead :)

WHen i boot it says "141" so its worked but i dont have the extra voltage options of 13 and 15% for instance.. It also remembered my oc'ed settings which i thought was strange

[Blue078]

Blue078
Excellent! One more question - what voltages are you getting? Especially the 12V line.

Measured with a Fluke 88 at the 20 pin molex.
With POT's turned all the way up and Under load
12v= 12.03
5v= 5.08
3.3v=3.28

Now ask me if I'm happy with the True Control

[IvanAndreevich]

Blue078
Sure. Are you happy with the True Control :banana:

I sure am, since it was $15 for me to upgrade from a 460W Enermax!

[Wingz]

i'm using 1.37 modded bios and when i set the VID to +13%, 15% + 18% and then save and exit the volatge goes back to default? but +10% works anyone having the same problem?

[Byron]

Yup, common problem with that bios.
If you want up to 1.75Vcore try 1.36 or 1.35 or 1.33.

[Wingz]

ok thanks Bryon, guess i'll give 1.36 a go.

[Blue078]

Blue078
Sure. Are you happy with the True Control :banana:

I sure am, since it was $15 for me to upgrade from a 460W Enermax!

I would be for what you payed for it :D
It's just the pots are allmost worthless IMO, turning them all the way up gets you what the PSU should supply. I was hopeing to beable to scoot the 3.3 rail up to 3.4 or so. It's not a bad PSU just not a great one ;)

[Joe Camel]

has there been any success with additional NB cooling on this mobo? i know of the lack of STOCK thermal paste on the NB, (which mine didnt)...but it looks "flat" and seems to make good contact with the stock cooler...

i can tell right off that a taller HS (like the NB-1C) AINT going to work on this (way too close to the AGP slot :rolleyes: )

additionally, has anyone noticed any need to "sink" any chips or MOSFETS? the 3 FETS on the "back" of the mobo worry me...not a whole lot of air gets back there :rolleyes:

thats 2 strikes against this MSI layout...but if it OC's better than this Abit i guess ill work around the layout :toast:

preping this pup for the FX-55/MachII/OCZBooster :bananal:THRASHING :bananal: its going to get... :D

[trans am]

I don't think any aditional cooling on the chipset is necessary. just clean off the stock paste and use your own. I think I killed mine with the booster so you may want to put some sinks on there in strategic areas.

[Joe Camel]

I think I killed mine with the booster so you may want to put some sinks on there in strategic areas.

such as...?

edit: ill probly stick an "old" vantec copper iceburg/AS5 on if it isnt too much bigger...just cant seem to find the darn thing...

edit2: ahhh yes...there on the dead NF7-s...my first "sacrifice" to the MachII gods... :worship: :cord:

flipping that AGP lock will be "fun"... :rolleyes:



I don't think any aditional cooling on the chipset is necessary.
well, i see :worship: OPP (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=624182&postcount=875) :worship: is running a MCX159 (http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/detail_hires/vid-20.jpg) ... ;)

[Byron]

I'm using a "biggie" thermaltake heatsink (the one that is used for the VGA DDR's) on a mosfet which i've cut into smaller piccies to fit. The relative large mosfet is as you look at the northbridge chip on the top right, that is getting hot (on mine at least). Another chip that gets a bit hot is a small one on the down left side of the cpu area, if you've the stock heatsink installed you won't be able to see it but because its surface is small i doubt that a heatsink can be fitted there, only by using artic silver epoxy. Also a set of the vcore mosfets get hot when i use 1.75Vcore but haven't use any extra cooling on those.

[Joe Camel]

I'm using a "biggie" thermaltake heatsink (the one that is used for the VGA DDR's) on a mosfet which i've cut into smaller piccies to fit. The relative large mosfet is as you look at the northbridge chip on the top right, that is getting hot (on mine at least). Another chip that gets a bit hot is a small one on the down left side of the cpu area, if you've the stock heatsink installed you won't be able to see it but because its surface is small i doubt that a heatsink can be fitted there, only by using artic silver epoxy. Also a set of the vcore mosfets get hot when i use 1.75Vcore but haven't use any extra cooling on those.

so, the things ive circled in the pic get hot?

damn, if the 6 FETS to the left get hot, i bet the 3 on the back get hot too, since they are RIGHT under (opposite) the "top" 6...

[Byron]

yup, thing is that the mosfets on the left (the ones for the vcore) only the bottom set seems to get hotter than the top ones.

Are you sure that there are mosfets at the back side of the mobo ??

[Joe Camel]

yep :(

i drew in *ABOUT* where the FETS on the front are in relation the the ones on the back...it cant be a coincidence that they are spaced like that and NOT related...

EDIT:
just so you know who/what your dealing with, here is a pic of what i put on my sig-rig NF7-s...i am the GAWD of OVERKILL!!

[Byron]

ah, i see... hell how can we cool those mosfies ...?!

Had a similar mosfet cooling on my nf7 :D
not like urs tho man! WoW :p:
btw, did you add a fan on top of them? because without a fan the heatsinks work as insulators since the nf7's vcore mosfets are getting EXTREMELY hot when you run more than 1.8vcore ;)
Tend to measure them when i had that babe before and they were hitting 100oC +++ my temp probe couldn't go more than 99oC :D

[Joe Camel]

getting off topic a bit, but yes, 2x 60mm fans (see sig)

as for cooling the "back" FETS...thats strike 3 against MSI's layout... :rolleyes:

ummmm...epoxy on "spacers" so that they will touch the mobo tray... :shrug:

[Byron]

Good idea but, what if something goes wrong and something sorts out the leg of the mosfets :D
Bring on the bbq's!!! :D

[Joe Camel]

Good idea but, what if something goes wrong and something sorts out the leg of the mosfets :D
Bring on the bbq's!!! :D
ya, wouldnt that be GREAT way to kill a FX-55 :slap:

can anyone running this mobo "out-of-case" tell if the back FETS get as hot as the ones on the front?

ill be running my first set of tests on air and "out-of-case" but my 55 wont be here till late in the week...

[Byron]

i don't think that cooling those mosfets (the ones at the back side of the mobo) will offer much, only stable vcore IF they get very hot!

[ZeroSanity]

Hi all, im upgrading my ocing rig and made a thread in the Xtreme Overclocking forums (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47770) there are many questions about the NEO2 Plat in there so please take a look!

[cinders]

so, the things ive circled in the pic get hot?

damn, if the 6 FETS to the left get hot, i bet the 3 on the back get hot too, since they are RIGHT under (opposite) the "top" 6...

Not much you can do about the ones on the back really... I've just ordered 8 copper heat-sinks I'm going to stick on to the ones on the top. It can't hurt!


Cinders.

[jetjaguar]

does the swiftech nb cooler fit on this board if ur running a 6800 ultra with the stock cooling on it .. i saw the pic of oppainters board with it .. but he has the stock cooler off his graphics card .. so i cant really tell ??? anyone know ?? thanks

[cinders]

I couldn't fit a dangerden maze 4 chipset block under my 6800 ultra...

I've just left the msi chipset cooler on and used some artic silver.

[jetjaguar]

k thanks ..

also one more question

im about to order some ram for this board ..

the ram to get i guess is the

ocz pc3200 EL platinum rev2 ?? that along with a ddr booster ??

[Th3__W00T_GuY__]

look here guys: http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html a new official 1.4 bios is out?? but it's not listed at the MSI page? any1 alrdy tried it?

[IvanAndreevich]

jetjaguar
I am not a big guru around OCZ memory, but if I remember correctly the EL is CH-5 or some other useless crap like that. The booster is a good idea, though.

Th3__W00T_GuY__
Are you sure that's right? They have previous bios release saying "Support Sempr0n 1800+" - uh wtf is that :stick:

[aonic]

ocz pc3200 EL platinum rev2 is TCCD :p

[jetjaguar]

i went with the vx .. and the booster

[cinders]

I couldn't fit a dangerden maze 4 chipset block under my 6800 ultra...

I've just left the msi chipset cooler on and used some artic silver.


Following on to this - does anyone know if you can fit a maze 4 chipset block under a Ati Radeon X800PE ?.......

[Minnyboy]

look here guys: http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html a new official 1.4 bios is out?? but it's not listed at the MSI page? any1 alrdy tried it?

Been using it for the last couple of days..

So far it's been okay..

No more 18% as per the 1.36b & a few minor changes here & there but nothing special.

On the aircooled rig it's doing alright..

On my Vapo? well I ain't sure whether it's that cold bug or not but everytime I manage to install Windows & then start off with the drivers, I get freezes & then I have to manually reset my rig.

Sometimes when I have to reset my rig I'm confronted with this:

"System config blah blah blah is not there" please press "R" when installing windows to try & repair this...

[Garrett]

.....a long story....
"System config blah blah blah is not there" please press "R" when installing windows to try & repair this...
Ouch... that error sucks dude... I hope for your sake you use Norton Ghost?

[Mikee1de]

Hello,

i would like to know what the best Bios Version is? At the moment i use the official 1.4 Version. Is there a bether one? (stability and overclocking)? How good are the mod versions?

[IvanAndreevich]

Mikee1de
I think 1.36 beta is pretty good on the CPU voltage side.

[Mikee1de]

In the 1.4 Official i found this secret Options:

AGP Sideband Address
NV/ATI Speed Up
PCI Clock Auto Detect

What are you using for the options?

[Garrett]

Mikee1de
I think 1.36 beta is pretty good on the CPU voltage side.
True... but you can also use CoreCenter for that ;)

Don't you just love overclocking in windows? ;)
(vcore, multiplier and HTT)
Even multiplier changing on the fly, love it :)

Now it's no problem to start up @ default :toast:

btw I must get rid of this 0409... I'll go get a 0411 :banana:

[Minnyboy]

Ouch... that error sucks dude... I hope for your sake you use Norton Ghost?

Couldn't even get to that part.

Here's how far I got:
1.) Fresh XP Corporate install
2.) DX9c
3.) NVidia NForce drivers (w/out IDE & Audio)
4.) ATI Catalyst 4.12
5.) Audigy2 drivers

Reboot & I'm confronted with that dreaded "your XP install is farked" please reinstall XP & press "R" & maybe that'd fix your problems...

If I had the cold issues (where the mobo will not even boot) , my mobo/cpu wouldn't even start iirc.

WTF am i doing wrong??

Gonna try the new 1.5X beta bios to see if it fixes anything..

I'll be back
Minnyboy

[Mikee1de]

@all

could you please tell me how the OCZ DDR Booster works and where i can buy it?

[Minnyboy]

Beware!!!

1.5X bios is no good for aircooled machines.

Updated my bios last night & am confronted with a borked OS...

"I'm confronted with that dreaded "your XP install is farked" please reinstall XP & press "R" & maybe that'd fix your problems..."

Repaired XP but still no good :mad:

Gotta try & do a full reinstall yet again..

even trying to go back to the 1.36b or 1.4 official is no good...

Have yet to try it on my phase-change system but I don't think I'm about to give it a shot after this problem...

OS was working very smoothly until I updated to that 1.5X bios...

Even using phase-change, I recommend that you back up your rig before trying it out just in case the same thing happens to you...

then again, this problem might be just related to aircooled rigs & not phase-change.

Proceed at you own peril.

Again, this is just my experience with this bios.

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[funkflix]

Lol! Something is really wrong with the Winchester + MSI combination!
There are so many different problems all over the internet .. One of this
two manufacters really make something wrong there ...!

[IvanAndreevich]

Earlier MSI's or all MSI's ;)

[funkflix]

All! Thats just luck! Had nothing to do with the nb-date or something else! ;)
I have an 0409 and it works perfect, better then much other Neo2s i've seen!

And i'm not the only one ... Others with 0411 boards and 0435+ nb have really hard problems
to get something stable!

[DevilsRejection]

are the later week msi k8n's starting to suck?

i thought they get better with time not worse?!

above post looks pessimistic so i ask this.

[viccyran]

I boot 300+ with the newest revision. It's a korea board though.

IT's past 440a2, as that is taiwan, and I could only hit 290 htt with that.

[IvanAndreevich]

viccyran
You couldn't get above 290 on the Taiwan board with the chipset voltage maxed out?

[Blue078]

Lol! Something is really wrong with the Winchester + MSI combination!
There are so many different problems all over the internet .. One of this
two manufacters really make something wrong there ...!

Arnt people with the Giga Byte NF boards haveing the same type problems with Winnies ? Seems like I read in some thread that they were.

[jetjaguar]

which bios do u guys run ??

[Jack]

1.36beta, worked great :D

look at pifast link ;)

[pk0r]

What are the max VCores for the new BIOSes (1.41mod, 1.5x, 1.51)?!
I am kinda "stuck" @ 1.55V +10% (1.700V) with my 1.41 Bios.

[NiCKE^]

What are the max VCores for the new BIOSes (1.41mod, 1.5x, 1.51)?!
I am kinda "stuck" @ 1.55V +10% (1.700V) with my 1.41 Bios.

Cant you make it 1.55 + 18%?

[Jack]

What are the max VCores for the new BIOSes (1.41mod, 1.5x, 1.51)?!
I am kinda "stuck" @ 1.55V +10% (1.700V) with my 1.41 Bios.

Cant you make it 1.55 + 18%?

max Vcore for every bios, except 1.36, is 1.7V, if i remember right.
Only the 1.36 bios has a working 1.55V+18% (=1,829V)

you can find the changelogs for the biosses here (http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html)

[eva2000]

Quick question what's MSI's official warranty stance of boards returned/rma'd with black plate glue having been pryed off ???

[Shaotai]

Quick question what's MSI's official warranty stance of boards returned/rma'd with black plate glue having been pryed off ???

Actually, the back plate is "double sided sticky taped" on... so when you pull off the backplate, keep it in a safe place and put it back on there if you have to return/rma. shouldn't be an issue at all... the tape comes off with the back plate and is reusable... :)

[Crunchy]

I put mine in a small poly bag and let the bag stick to it, otherwise it'll get stuck to some paper or something :eek:

[IvanAndreevich]

Have to replace thermal interface on this board for sure :)
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/3743/nbnogrease02s5gp.jpg

Shaotai
Welcome to the sickness. :banana:

[viccyran]

viccyran
You couldn't get above 290 on the Taiwan board with the chipset voltage maxed out?
There's a chipset voltage? :?

[IvanAndreevich]

viccyran
No, there isn't. I was being stupid in the middle of the night.

I think I was trying to say whether you've tried a VDD mod on it or not.

[odb]

i seen what mosfets that should have heatsinks on them but where can i buy some that will fit.

[IvanAndreevich]

odb
Any BGA ramsinks for videocards should fit ;)

[Murmlos]

Am i the only one that cant get agp cards to work with this board :O ?
Other than that it works pretty good accually :)

[IvanAndreevich]

Murmlos
You got a fup'ed board. RMA/replace it ;)

[uniacid]

wanted to update, I've been keeping my FX at stock for now, I've been using the 1.51 bios and I beleive its most likely my cpu maxing out but I'd like to know if anyone else is using an fx53 here, also here is my cpu spec:

http://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/mods/amd/dsc02108.jpg

[Jack]

uniacid,
it looks like more people have a similar cpu
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46810

[IvanAndreevich]

What is the BEST bios for achieving HIGH HTT? 300x3 is not stable.

[funkflix]

Hmm, 1000 is standard, why is it not stable? Try the 1.3b6!

[Garrett]

I just received and tested my 0412, superb!!

Finally no more memory errors @ 260 with my BH-5 :thumbsup:

Now if I can bench 10x280... :D

[uniacid]

sigh if only I could go above 2.6 :/

[Minnyboy]

2 out of 3 boards of mine are FUBARed,

1st board had 2 smd resistors fall off from near the cpu.
That happened while changing CPU's. I did not put any pressure on those smd resistors. They were so badly soldered on that as soon as they were touched by accident, they fell off.

2nd board has 3 faulty dimm slots.
Using a 3200+ 0441, I tested using only 1 dimm & only slot 1 works. As soon as I place the same dimm in any of the other slots, my rig beeps its head off. :mad:.

Funny thing is I had memtest running 20 hours+ @ 250MHz 1:1 (slots 1&2) & booster in slot4 & it ran fine. WTF??

Thinking it was a 90nm problem, I put in my 3500+ NewCastle & straight away got those damn beeps...

MSI have a good board if it's been through their Quality Testing Procedure :rolleyes:. The only good board I have is the one I'm typing this on...

Still wondering why dual channel runs memtest fine but single channel beeps it's head off. Also, although dual channel ran fine, as soon as winxp loads up; it's only a matter of minutes before I get the infamous BSOD or my rig just freezes on me...

Oh well, looks like MSI are gonna be getting 2 of their "Platinum" Editions back :rolleyes:.

Minh

[IvanAndreevich]

GravediggA
I was running 1.36b when I said it's not stable. I am trying 1.37mod now.

[donnydorko]

How can u tell if your motherboard is having a problem with the powersupply? the reason i say this is because i think mine does. It detects certain things on the motherboard everytime i reboot, and if i change around the power connectors to the hardware it will detect new items...


also has anyone had problems with this power supply?

X-Connect 500W and the neo i plan to get this if it is indeed my psu.