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Dyaxler
11-06-2006, 02:18 PM
TIP: Cpu fan header must be connected, if not the pc could experience boot problems

This TIP came from: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46730

Just wondering if this might be an issue at higher FSB settings. At my current setting, 237Mhz, it doesn't give me any problems. Just wondering what the deal is with this. Some kind of a hardware bug? BIOS bug?

/cheers

TMM
11-07-2006, 12:49 AM
never had that problem, even at 360fsb :). Use the two sata ports near the CPU. never use the other ones when overclocking, even without raid.

mdm
11-07-2006, 05:26 AM
If someone’s interested I flashed a Platinum bios to my Neo2-FX-works, then putted in it 1.C final Mod by sideeffect-works! Also no problem getting HT 1000 and HTT 380 (and above?) even if it’s a nF3 250Gb inside. Question: Since I have, X800XT AIW should keep 1.C or flash to 1.C3 Mod – advice?

Dyaxler
11-07-2006, 11:22 AM
never had that problem, even at 360fsb :). Use the two sata ports near the CPU. never use the other ones when overclocking, even without raid.

Thats where my problem is more then likely. I disabled all the SATA ports and used an IDE drive last night. I was able to push my FSB up. It's stable as high as 280 FSB but stops posting after that even with a 2x HTT, CPU cranked down, and the memory divided up six ways from sunday. I'm seriously beginning to think my PSU, which is two years old btw, might not be putting out the power that I need to get it up higher.

Making an educated guess here but I've read that you shouldn't use SATA ports 1 & 2 because they arn't locked. Meaning, the speed goes up with the FSB? Is that why my data was getting corrupted when I was using those ports? So even if I'm using Ports 3 & 4 for my RAID 0 volume, the data on my 200gig drive will get corrupt if I put it on port 1 or 2? Just making sure I fully understand why. Sorry, I would like to know why I can't and not just that I shouldn't use SATA ports 1 & 2. :D

Thanks

Dyaxler
11-07-2006, 11:38 AM
If someone’s interested I flashed a Platinum bios to my Neo2-FX-works, then putted in it 1.C final Mod by sideeffect-works! Also no problem getting HT 1000 and HTT 380 (and above?) even if it’s a nF3 250Gb inside. Question: Since I have, X800XT AIW should keep 1.C or flash to 1.C3 Mod – advice?

My poppa always said... "If it ain't broke, dont' fix it..." Wise words. :D

If your current bios works just fine, dont change it. :)

/cheers

[XC] 4X4N
11-07-2006, 05:09 PM
Dyaxler, you wont get anything stable with sata 1&2. No post and bsod's, even with a mild overclock. I'm using a hitachi 160gb sata, and also the same bios as you. I never could get raid to work worth a damn with this board. Here are memory settings. I just have some corsair pc3200, about 208 is the max for them. Hope this helps. It can't believe how this thread just never goes away.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5374/neo2memep9.jpg

Dyaxler
11-07-2006, 05:41 PM
@4x4

Thanks for the screenies. I was going to compare my A64 Tweaker settings with yours to see if I could rule out a possible bottleneck.

To get the RAID to work properly on this board you have to Slipstream Service Pack 2 into what ever flavor of XP you have then include the newest nForce drivers so you can bypass the F6 option. Make the CD bootable then away you go. Took me 3 days to figure that one out! :P Works great now...

As far as using SATA ports 1 & 2, originally I was using them and I did manage to get a stable overclock but was limited to a 1:1 - 237fsb setting. (setup in my current signature). If I went above 238, I would get data corruption. As I was saying earlier, I unpluged all my SATA drives and used an IDE drive to see how far I could push my hardware. Currently I can get a "windows" stable install and boot at x3 HT, 10x cpu multi, 280fsb, and using a 166mhz(ddr 333) divider on my memory. Overall it gives me 2800Mhz CPU, 233Mhz mem, & 840Mhz HT freq. Unfortunatly it's not Prime95 or SuperPI stable. Vcore voltage is max, and Mem voltage is 2.8.

Tonight I'm gonna try uping the cpu multi to x11 and lower the fsb then kick it up from there to see how high I can go and possibly get it to run stable at 2.8Ghz which is my goal. If I can't get anymore then a 250Mhz fsb setting then I can at least kick up the HT to 4x, kick up the mem back up to 200 and tweak the crap out of it and call it a night. :D

Wish me luck... :up:

Special_K
11-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Dyaxler - from your sig, it seems you are using 3 SATA ports (2 for RAID + 1 for storage) which will not allow you to get your max OC for the reasons posted above =/

265x11 was the most K's Neo2 would do (24/7 BF2) stable - 266x11 would randomly crash while idling in Windows =/

the Neo2 is dependent on the chipset place of manufacture (don't remember where they are, but one would allow high HTT and the other wouldn't) so it's luck of the draw with Neo2's =/

Dyaxler
11-08-2006, 06:14 PM
I must have gotten a good board then because I pushed up my FSB to 297 with the HT set to 3x, CPU Multi to 7x and used a 166Mhz (DDR333) divider on my memory. Ran stable for 7+ hours on Prime95. I narrowed down my problem though after all that. Basically, I won't ever know how high I can push my proc unless I get a new power supply. At 2662Mhz (cpu) - 4x HT - 11x Multi - 242Mhz FSB & 200Mhz (1:1) on the memory I can get a stable over clock across the board. Prime95, SuperPI, 3DMark03 run over night on a loop... all good. But, here's the problem I noticed. At my current setting, with and without SATA drives, the Vcore voltage is stable and CPU-Z shows it at 1.58v (+/- .02v). At around 250Mhz FSB the voltage starts to go nuts! At 260fsb the Vcore drops to 1.52v and skips between 1.51v-1.56v. So I'm seeing some significant voltage variants that I shouldn't be seeing. Gets worse the further I push up the CPU/FSB. Doesn't matter where the FSB is or what CPU Multi I use, as the resulting CPU Freq goes up, the worse the Vcore voltage variant gets. Doesn't surprise me really considering that the PS is 2+ years old and it's only a 550w continuous. I should have a 750w if I'm going to push the CPU up that high. To confirm my suspicions I hooked up a volt meter and measured the variants. Without boring you guys with a technical analysis suffice to say, my CPU is starving for power. I'm not really complaining... 2.6Ghz is respectable and my computer does what I need it to do. Run WoW in 1600x1200, max graphic settings and averaging 60-65fps. So yeah, I'm not complaining. :D

Thanks for the tips guys. Love using this site for a sounding board. :up:

/cheers

Dyaxler
11-08-2006, 06:22 PM
Dyaxler - from your sig, it seems you are using 3 SATA ports (2 for RAID + 1 for storage) which will not allow you to get your max OC for the reasons posted above =/

Oh yeah, forgot to respond to that point. :D Sorry for the double post.

Yes, I'm running (2) 36gig SATA drives in RAID0 on ports 3&4 and (1) 200gig SATA drive on port 2. After all my testing last night using an IDE drive, if I was able to get a stable over clock above my 238Mhz barrier I would have dumped the 200gig and bought two new and bigger WD Raptors. *sigh* but alas, I can't get anything higher then 2.7Ghz stable so why waist the money on the larger HD's. Besides, I would have to get a new Power supply too. Forget it. I'm good. :D :up:

/cheers

TMM
11-09-2006, 12:28 AM
the Neo2 is dependent on the chipset place of manufacture (don't remember where they are, but one would allow high HTT and the other wouldn't) so it's luck of the draw with Neo2's =/
Yep the Korean chipsets did better on the early revisions, and after that pretty much all of them hit 300 and above no matter where they were made :).

@Dyaxler: just get a cheap PCI sata card for your 200GB drive ;).

Dyaxler
11-09-2006, 12:05 PM
@Dyaxler: just get a cheap PCI sata card for your 200GB drive ;).

I thought about that but I would still have to get a new Power Supply in order to run the CPU at a higher Freq stable. After tweaking my system last night I ran PCMark05 and I can't remember my score, currently at work :D, but in comparing my results with "similar systems" I ranked #2 which surprised the heck out of me. 3DMark03, 05 & 06 I scored in the top 10 among "similar systems" so again, I am not complaining. It should be a good system until I'm forced to upgrade.

Haha... I just remembered that I can login to Orb from here and see my scores. :D I'll update my signature if anyone is interested.

/cheers

Elite_Athlon
11-12-2006, 12:35 PM
TIP: In the bios press and hold Shift+F2 and then press ALT+F3 to unlock "hidden" features within the BIOS

I can't seem to get that screen to show up. Is it only with older bioses?

RaWsHaRk
11-15-2006, 06:39 AM
I have had 4 of these boards, and couple weeks ago bought a used one for my x800xt aiw, this one goes 3x htt 344mhz, running a 144 opty at 9x344 on Big Typhoon, none of the other boards ran like this with same 1C modded bios:stick:

guess I will play with this for a couple weeks before can afford a 8800 gts, then I will change to a pci-e board again..:D

charlie
11-15-2006, 11:31 PM
wow 4300 posts in this classic thread! One of my fave boards EVER.

Console
11-21-2006, 01:39 PM
Can you guys get more than 1.55v ? no matter what setting i try 1.55 is the max volts that shows up in bios any ideas ?

Elite_Athlon
11-22-2006, 05:31 PM
Yeah 1.55 is the max for me also,

But i don't care because i've been undervolting mine :p

TiTaNiUm
11-22-2006, 06:30 PM
If im not mistaken, if you max out the V in the Bios then use the Utility that came with the board, you can get 1.65-1.7...

In the Very first post by Charlie, in the Blue Tips section it tells you how to reach 1.9 vcore...i was close :)

Console
11-23-2006, 12:16 PM
Yea but will a bios that old work with a x2 ?

-TooL
11-29-2006, 06:05 PM
Anyone have a Dual Core Opteron running on this board?

Im thinking about getting an Opteron 165 Denmark to replace my 3000 winnie(@2160mhz). I dont know if its compatable, and I hope it can achieve the same overclock or greater with both cores.

Console
12-01-2006, 08:48 AM
Yes it will work

deton8
12-03-2006, 12:54 PM
Does anyone know if the pic on page 77 shows the correct place to measure vcore from? According to DMM, 1.35 + 5% actually pumps 1.5v through my cpu, which swings up to 1.65ish under load!

Speedfan and BIOS report almost 0.1v lower (1.45 idle, 1.5+ load) than the DMM, but the weird thing is, vdimm is bang on - 2.65v just like I set it. WTF:confused:

Is this something this board is known to do, or do I have something wrong with my PSU? Rails looked stable when I measured them...

_G_
12-06-2006, 01:08 AM
Anyone have a Dual Core Opteron running on this board?

Im thinking about getting an Opteron 165 Denmark to replace my 3000 winnie(@2160mhz). I dont know if its compatable, and I hope it can achieve the same overclock or greater with both cores.

did a 3000venice -> 165 upgrade on this board a while back
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=109371
I was happy :D

gsan
12-06-2006, 08:00 PM
Actually, in my case I experience this quite further... Maximum "bootable" vdimm I get using DDR Booster is 3.9v (I set it while sitting on the BIOS screen). After setting it to 4.0v the system boots but can't load Windows.

Yes, just find your maximum too... Set e.g. 3.4v while in BIOS and then when you're in Windows you are free to raise it higher ;) Be careful....

Good luck

I'm wonder that any vdimm reading in the BIOS ? :confused:

ArmyGreen11
12-11-2006, 09:35 PM
Anyone have a Dual Core Opteron running on this board?

Im thinking about getting an Opteron 165 Denmark to replace my 3000 winnie(@2160mhz). I dont know if its compatable, and I hope it can achieve the same overclock or greater with both cores.

I'm running a 165 right now at 300x9 prime stable 18hrs+. Luv it. :sonic:

Kaposztas
12-12-2006, 07:19 PM
I've never oc'd, never needed to, but I recently updated cpu to FX-55 SD from 3200 Winchester. For some stupid reason I flashed bios to 1.c from 1.3 using the MSI web utility. Now system hangs, even while in bios.

I know you're gonna tell me to read the forums, but I spent two nights browsing the forums here and on other websites (Rebels Haven for one) and it's all over my head. You guys are talking quantum physics when I'm trying to learn how to add and subtract!

I was a comp tech 10 years ago, always build my own systems, but I have literally no time to get my comp back in shape while trying to learn the complicated possibilities of why my system hangs.

Also, my 3D Mark scores on my previous 3200 setup was the lowest in the group....made me sad, even though I ran my games well enough. I want more, though.

There are over 4000 posts here! I'm hoping that somebody here would do me the favor of walking me through a few basics....optimal bios settings for this board and my vid card, for example. I'd really appreciate your help!

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
A64 Fx-55 San Diego
Bios 1.c
1 Gb Corsair Value Select
eVGA Nvidia 6800 GT
WD SATA
Enermax Noisetaker 470W PS
Win xp sp2

Thanks!

Draxx
12-13-2006, 03:32 AM
Don't use the web utility. Either use Winflash on it's own if you must flash from Windows or use the DOS based flash utility.

The web utility unfortunately doesn't flash correctly as you've noticed... :(

-TooL
12-13-2006, 11:56 PM
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=607&kind=1

Just got that link. Shows all processors "officially" compatible with our great old man of a board.

Elite_Athlon
12-16-2006, 07:54 AM
Don't use the web utility. Either use Winflash on it's own if you must flash from Windows or use the DOS based flash utility.

The web utility unfortunately doesn't flash correctly as you've noticed... :(
Worked fine for me both times i flashed it...

Kaposztas
12-16-2006, 11:23 AM
Reset the cmos and now booting and stable :)

Added new single-sided 2x512Mb Corsair VS Ram on Dimm 1 and 2, then ran 3dmark06 again. Scores went from a very dismal 1482 to a very mediocre 1513.

Added FX-55 cpu and score went down to 1494, though the cpu score increased from 780 to 1017.

Adjusted pci latency of my geforce 6800 gt from 280 something to 64, ran 3dmark again, score jumped a whopping 1 point. Disabled aggressive timing, agp fast writes, and spread spectrum. No change to score.

I'm not ready to overclock this thing until I find the bottleneck. Any ideas? I don't think I should be scoring at the bottom of the 3dmark spectrum!

Also noticed that other geforce 6800 gt cards on 3dmark were running at 11Mhz/1200 Mhz and scoring much better. Can anyone tell me what this is about?

Stoner@Large
12-18-2006, 10:26 AM
I know this has been asked before but im not sure if its the same answer as the old. What are the best drivers for the neo2 now?

pillow
12-18-2006, 06:11 PM
yo im new here. im wondering what is the best bios for this board for overclocking? i have 3200+ winny. also another question will the tuniq tower fit on this board? thanks

F.B.

sideeffect
12-30-2006, 06:25 AM
Also noticed that other geforce 6800 gt cards on 3dmark were running at 11Mhz/1200 Mhz and scoring much better. Can anyone tell me what this is about?

When 3dMark shows strange readings like that it means the overclock was performed in windows after boot and 3Dmark doesnt properly recognise the clock speed. There is no point comparing your card to it because it could be massively overclocked.

Gargula
01-02-2007, 10:42 AM
Hello personal, my English is bad, but I hope understand :p:

I have this MB, exactly this.

I have a problem in the initialization of the system. :(

DMI Pool Data.... It is in this screen for 1 minute and later enters in the boot of the windows...

I disabled SATA, and it decreased to 30 seconds, but before didn't appear.

where is the problem??

Thanks!

ZorK
02-01-2007, 04:58 PM
I have bios 7025NMS V1.DB1 Mod by Sideeffect.I tryed to activate C&Q but it didn't work.I installed the proper driver but syill no working!is it because of the bios?

Losphoron
02-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Zork you are bored..Ppl avoid C&Q because it's not so friendly with oc...
There is 1.C oficial on the site for some time.Did anyone tried it?

Zeus...
02-03-2007, 02:32 AM
C&Q works fine but Via 'core center' But as 'Losphoron' states no good with overclock

Losphoron
02-03-2007, 10:34 AM
if i put to hdd's on Sata 3&4 can i overclock like before when i had only ide drives?
You guys were right.I switched to Sata3 and now the oc is working like before... I am happy

stormshadow
02-05-2007, 04:56 PM
anyone know good programs that track the neo2's voltage well?

something that works with an LCDC plug in would be awesome.

Russ_64
02-21-2007, 06:04 AM
Anyone know what BIOS version I need to run Opty 185 on my Neo2 Plat ?

Currently using 1.B with X2 but do I need 1.C or 1.D / sideeffect's 1.Db1 ?
(just bought a 185 as the S939 Optys are getting pretty thin on the ground)
Thanks.

Losphoron
03-10-2007, 12:18 AM
Try 1.C modified by Sideefect.I used this bios for a while and i have no problems..At least is newer than what you have and a there is a better chance that Opti os supported.You can dump your actual bios and revert back if you are not pleased..Good luck

Russ_64
03-13-2007, 03:17 AM
Thanks, mate. I went with SideEffect's 1.D and it is great, nice new layout and options too.

magica
04-06-2007, 06:21 PM
What is the 1draid bios on this page about???????? I might be going to a fx 55 and im on sata raid so I would like to know what the raid is for. I am getting some http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148015 ballsticks memory so I want to use the ballstick memory but question what that raid file is. If you havent noticed this appears to be the same stuff sideffect is useing!!!!!!!!
someone posted this link on page 171 http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios/?dir=./sideeffect

hope someone can reassure me and yes I still love the board. Got alot of money wrapped around it so im holding on till next christmas maybe. PLus the 7800 gs wasnt cheap.

thanks
:woot:

int
04-07-2007, 05:02 AM
Hey guys, I'm new here so I'm not sure if I can do this or not...

I recently had a power cut which managed to blow my 3rd ram slot, so I can't use my second stick of memory (currently stuck with only 512 :().

I've looked everywhere and apart from paying some extortionate price on Ebay, I can't find a replacement.
I'm wondering if you can suggest where I can get hold of another one of these boards for a reasonable price :)

Cheers

p.s forgot to mention, I'm in the UK :)

magica
04-07-2007, 02:57 PM
Hey guys, I'm new here so I'm not sure if I can do this or not...

I recently had a power cut which managed to blow my 3rd ram slot, so I can't use my second stick of memory (currently stuck with only 512 :().

I've looked everywhere and apart from paying some extortionate price on Ebay, I can't find a replacement.
I'm wondering if you can suggest where I can get hold of another one of these boards for a reasonable price :)

Cheers

p.s forgot to mention, I'm in the UK :)

Here

http://forums.pcper.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

your best chance in the world

you can also ask in our MSI forum
http://forums.pcper.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

int
04-08-2007, 06:39 AM
Here

http://forums.pcper.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

your best chance in the world

you can also ask in our MSI forum
http://forums.pcper.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Thanks very much :)

e: urgh, having some email troubles with them at the moment :(

fishgoh0nk
06-06-2007, 11:52 AM
Hi guys, I'm new to posting on this thread, but I've been reading constantly on this thread for the past 3 years i've had my MSI neo2 plat.

recently, i just upgraded from a64 3200+ to x2 4400+ (adv version). I know my max FSB is 235 as I have 3+ sata drives and one of them falls on sata1/2. 235 is the max before instability.

so yesterday, i attempted to OC my 4400+. I tried several times and finally i was able to boot into the bios with the following settings.

Bios = Sideeffect's 1.CB3
Core = x2 4400+ (200x11)
Ram = xms twinx1024-3200XLPRO (stock timing 2-2-2-5 1T @ 2.5v)
FSB = 235
HT = 4x
MEM = 200
Vcore = 1.4
Vdimm = 2.8
agp = 67mhz


So what happens is that I get back into the bios to start changing other settings... before i can do anything (approx 2-3 seconds) the the keyboard freezes up, i can't do anything. The only thing that moves is the flashing red "8.3% vcore" and other warnings. after multiple power offs, i can still boot into the bios, but the time between entering bios and freezing becomes shorter. one time, (because i run dual monitors, usually both screens display the same bios menu) one screen went blank and the other distorted the screen resolution/size. reseting the cmos and running stock again fixes this.

I have a few guesses on what this might be... but not too sure cuz i'm inexperienced with pre-boot stuff. could it my PSU? not enuff vcore or vdimm? could it be an improper lock on the agp? timings too tight? I also read somewhere if the cas, ras..., etc is not set to auto, the vdimm changes back to 2.7 on reboot...

i'm dying to get a new 3dmark score hehe plz help! thx in advance!

--------------- EDIT ---------------
More info:
I tried both 1T and 2T timings, both did the same thing. Also, I'm trying to achieve 235x11 on a stock cooler (2585mhz). I'm also running some $40 500w rosewill PSU... not the best... but so far it's lasted me quite a while.

fishgoh0nk
06-07-2007, 03:07 AM
well... i was hoping i'd receive a quick response, but it seems that the last post was april hehe... so i took it upon myself to experiment some more. I researched some voltages for the 4400 and the fsb that was clocked on some of the cpu databases around the net. I'm not juiced up by 300mhz from 2.2 to 2.5 using 1.3 + 10.0%, giving me 1.43vcore. i was able to boot into my bios and take care of a few things. memtest gave me errors, i corrected it using 2-3-2-5 1T timings. currently, i'm at 228fsb. think i should push some more? I haven't gotten to get 235 stable yet... but then again, i think when i tried 235 just a few minutes ago, my cmos jumper was loose and reset my bios... or i can play it safe and be happy with 300mhz increase?

trajik78
06-07-2007, 05:02 AM
just try and keep the ram at 200mHz using dividers and stock timings until you find your cpu's top OC. the Toledo should take up to 1.5v on air, but watch those temps. keep her under 55c load which will be hard on your stock HSF. that's one of the reasons you wont get a great OC. need an aftermarket cooler. grab a Arctic-Cooling Freezer64 for $25-$30 or if you have the cash a Scythe Ninja or Thermalright Ultra.

fishgoh0nk
06-07-2007, 06:11 AM
cool thanks, i've been up the past 5 hours messing with my ram timings and such... max load turned out to be 58c.

but i gave up on the OC. nothing was stable- all gave me errors in windows. not only that, windows and its programs+services started up slower than at stock fsb. Not only that, I have to sacrifice a sata drive just to use only sata3/4.

The final settings on which i gave up on was...

FSB = 228, vcore 1.3 + 10%, vdimm 2.8, 2-3-2-5, (didn't play around with these values as much as the subtimings... trcd, trrd and twrt were the ones i messed around with...)

maybe my psu just isn't stable enough, CPU not cool enough... or just plain bad luck. If you got any tips on stability, let me know, i haven't seen any with my getup. Probably should try 2-3-3-5/6... maybe that'd do it. But I just feel unlucky to have to resort to those timings while people elsewhere are getting lower.

Zeus...
06-10-2007, 12:16 AM
fishgoh0nk overclocking is an art and takes time some r lucky and some are not. take your time and this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61939)is very useful, one step at a time - good luck:up:

fishgoh0nk
06-10-2007, 01:51 AM
yea... i'm just saying that things aren't going well with the setup i have now...

1. I have 1.7tb HD space on my comp, i don't want to sacrifice a HD to use only slot3/4 for sata
2. i'm using a stock cooler, i'm afraid a lot coolers i wanted don't fit with my xlpro ram
3. i hate data corruption!

zeus, i do take time to do all the things on the guide, i'm not new to OCing, but the ram subtimings are somewhat new to me... i want to squeeze out every drop of performance i can get... so what i'm weighing is... 1 HD vs. +2k on 3dmark2001. ...

TMM
06-23-2007, 07:59 PM
I can't believe this thread is still going! Over 3 years now :) My Neo2 is still crunching away at 323HTT with an Opteron 144 @ 2.9ghz :yepp:


I have bios 7025NMS V1.DB1 Mod by Sideeffect.I tryed to activate C&Q but it didn't work.I installed the proper driver but syill no working!is it because of the bios?
Have you selected the minimal power management scheme?
http://www.mytechguide.com/4/how-to-enable-amd-coolnquiet-in-windows/

clon22
06-26-2007, 01:00 AM
Man, this board is wonderful.
Mines still alive in my friend's rig... :)
Those were the days...

mhenry676
08-03-2007, 02:17 PM
Hi all,

I'm new to the a64 overclocking but not overclocking. My Asus A7N8X-E with Athlon XP Mobile (Stock 1.8) Running at 2.5GHz with OCZ Gold at 2-2-2-5 and thermalright SP-97. I didn't see the need to go all the way to the newest stuff, so got the K8N Neo2 Plat off ebay, picked up an X2 4200+ and a Thermalright SP-97A, 4 1GB sticks of G.Skill (F1-3200PHU2-2GBNS) from newegg. Still got my XFX 6800 (overclocks/unlocks to Ultra levels) and a Thermaltake Pure Power 480w (W0019).

At stock of 2.2 on CPU and setting the RAM to 200, everything seemed to boot up fine, but I think there might be issues with using 4 1gb sticks. (did the memory map and xp64/suse64 both saw 4gb, xp32 saw 3gb.

Now for overclocking...:D

BIOS = MSI 1.D (Jan07)
So far pushed CPU to 2640, ram to 480
HTT=240
CPU Mult=11
CPU Voltage 1.4 (clockgen shows 1.3?)
RAM=set to 200 (memtest/clockgen showed 240/ddr480) 1:1 ratio
RAM Timings=2.5-3-3-6-2T
RAM Voltage=2.7

HTT got a little flaky at about 245, so for now stayed at 240 (will try higher later)

Now, here's what I'm having a problem with=Running all 4 sticks!
Both pairs tested with this config for 10hrs in memtest no problem @480

testing all 4GB OCd at these settings just doesn't work (superpi stops in less than a minute, have not tested memtest, but expecting the same results). Loosening the timings didn't seem to help.

I will try at home tonight running the ram at 2.8, but most posts I've seen on this ram say that voltage doesn't seem to make much difference.


Does this board just not like 4 sticks (or 4GB)?
Is my PSU the limiting factor? (See link below for specs)
Does this board play nice with X2?
Seen anything regarding 4GBs in this or other mobos N-force3?


FYI...
RAM
http://www.gskill.com/en/f1-3200phu2-2gns.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231047

PSU
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/purepower/w001920.htm

KamuiLong
08-12-2007, 06:35 PM
Ok i just got myself a computer that has a K8N Neo2 Mobo,doom3 graphics card, AMD athenlon 64 processor 3200+, has 2gb ram. but the Hard drive wasnt working. The old HDD was 250gb Seagate barracuda 7200rpm sata, i decided i wanted to have more space than that since it wasnt working anyways so i bought a 500gb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm sata to replace it. But heres the kicker the Mobo wont auto detect it, I even went and set the jumper to 1.5 instead of the full 3. i have checked and its connected right i grabbed my friends sata HDD to test it and it works. oh it also reads on the Mobo MS-7025VER:1 all i want to do is get my hard drive detected so i can install the new OS its a Windows XP Pro x64 Sp2. i hope sumone can help me.:confused:

JT

KamuiLong
08-12-2007, 10:38 PM
bump need help bad

Poki
08-12-2007, 10:58 PM
I have one of those boards sitting here but I can't offer you advice other than trying the general hardware section for more traffic. What you've described sounds like an unfortunate bug to me. Maybe a newer firmware release for the HDD corrects this?

oqix
08-17-2007, 03:09 AM
Hi,
I have K8N Neo2 FX and I have problem with overclock my Athlon 3700+ San Diego (KACAE). I cant set more FSB than 255x11. When I set more and restart my PC windows didnt start and when I go to bios Current CPU Clock show me 44 MHZ on my CPU. Bios in this board is 1.B 090705. I set 1.55 Volt on CPU and I do not using SATA ports. My 3 RAMs runs on 333 Mhz and 2T
first two RAMs are next CPU and third RAM is on the last purple slot. I set optimal timings.

Bios setings:
High Performance Mode - manual
Agressive timings - disabled
Dynamic overclocking - disabled
HT frequency - 2
Cool n quiet - disabled
Adjust COU ratio - startup
Adjust COU FSB frequency - 255
AGP - 67
CPU voltage - 1.550
memory voltage - 2.8
AGP voltage - default

Now I run my CPU on 255x11=2805 Mhz and temperature is low. I have modded Thermaltake volcano 9 on CPU and power supply q-tec PSU 650 Watt Tripple FAN 24P.
How can I clock FSB more than 260x11. Did change bios help me?
Sorry for bad English :shrug:.

One more thing when I OC FSB to 256. Bios detect 0 Mhz CPU and when I increase the FSB to 257 bios detect 11 Mhz CPU next step +11 Mhz... What is this? Bios problem? THX.

Karaya
08-23-2007, 03:18 PM
Hi mhenry676

I've been overclocking this magnificent motherboard since it was released and I've been very pleased overall. I'm' still using it on my main rig while waiting for the next AMD platform.

It does have it's quirks, not many though. Probably one of the best 939 boards ever released.

Regarding your questions:
Many nForce3 boards prefers 2 sticks of memory, maximum 1GB sticks that is.
The Neo2 can be picky regarding PSU's, 500W High quality items are recommended.
The board does play nice with X2's if the BIOS is updated accordingly.




Hi all,

I'm new to the a64 overclocking but not overclocking. My Asus A7N8X-E with Athlon XP Mobile (Stock 1.8) Running at 2.5GHz with OCZ Gold at 2-2-2-5 and thermalright SP-97. I didn't see the need to go all the way to the newest stuff, so got the K8N Neo2 Plat off ebay, picked up an X2 4200+ and a Thermalright SP-97A, 4 1GB sticks of G.Skill (F1-3200PHU2-2GBNS) from newegg. Still got my XFX 6800 (overclocks/unlocks to Ultra levels) and a Thermaltake Pure Power 480w (W0019).

At stock of 2.2 on CPU and setting the RAM to 200, everything seemed to boot up fine, but I think there might be issues with using 4 1gb sticks. (did the memory map and xp64/suse64 both saw 4gb, xp32 saw 3gb.

Now for overclocking...:D

BIOS = MSI 1.D (Jan07)
So far pushed CPU to 2640, ram to 480
HTT=240
CPU Mult=11
CPU Voltage 1.4 (clockgen shows 1.3?)
RAM=set to 200 (memtest/clockgen showed 240/ddr480) 1:1 ratio
RAM Timings=2.5-3-3-6-2T
RAM Voltage=2.7

HTT got a little flaky at about 245, so for now stayed at 240 (will try higher later)

Now, here's what I'm having a problem with=Running all 4 sticks!
Both pairs tested with this config for 10hrs in memtest no problem @480

testing all 4GB OCd at these settings just doesn't work (superpi stops in less than a minute, have not tested memtest, but expecting the same results). Loosening the timings didn't seem to help.

I will try at home tonight running the ram at 2.8, but most posts I've seen on this ram say that voltage doesn't seem to make much difference.


Does this board just not like 4 sticks (or 4GB)?
Is my PSU the limiting factor? (See link below for specs)
Does this board play nice with X2?
Seen anything regarding 4GBs in this or other mobos N-force3?


FYI...
RAM
http://www.gskill.com/en/f1-3200phu2-2gns.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231047

PSU
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/purepower/w001920.htm

Den Leiw
08-25-2007, 08:35 AM
This board is awesome

after running it for almost 3 years 24/7 at stock settings I'm gonna use it for overclocking. I hope I'll have no problem with my BH-5 ram and DDR-Booster

I also have a 4000+ 1.35 stock voltage, hopefully I can get it to 3 Ghz 250 Mhz 1:1 Overclock or even more.

trajik78
08-28-2007, 06:55 AM
mhenry676 -

bump the vDIMM about .2v, run 2T command rate, and loosen your timings to 3-4-4-8 for testing/stability.

XP and Vista 32bit will only see about 3gigs since it can't address anything higher.

Turrican
08-31-2007, 11:55 AM
This board is awesome

after running it for almost 3 years 24/7 at stock settings I'm gonna use it for overclocking. I hope I'll have no problem with my BH-5 ram and DDR-Booster

I also have a 4000+ 1.35 stock voltage, hopefully I can get it to 3 Ghz 250 Mhz 1:1 Overclock or even more.


hi

i'm running my msi k8n neo2 as my second rig with 2x 256mb bh-5 and the ocz ddr booster.

i've no problems at all. :up:

ogy_j
09-11-2007, 09:48 AM
hi all

i think i've got some problem with my new nec ad-7170a and this motherboard...

i've got 2 msi k8n neo2 platinium, one with the bios 1.8 and the other with 1.d1 sideeffect.

i try it on the 1st computer but i can't read my DVD, then i put it and my hard disk on the 2nd computer and it work...

so i think that the bios problem......
but i don't know where to find the best bios...
on my 1st computer i've got TCCD ( 2x512 centon PC3200LL )
i need the link to download it, i try on google but i found nothing...
and the unofficial website of sideeffect is dead...

and which one is the best 1.c? 1.d?

thank's

Calilis
09-12-2007, 10:26 AM
Hello all, been following this topic for a long time now, already sorted me out countless times...

Could someone help me? I need to know if this board will fit a Zalman CNPS8000 cooler... Will the heatpipes or fins get in the way of capacitors or ram slots?

Thanks in advance!

oqix
09-13-2007, 05:56 AM
Hi,
I have K8N Neo2 FX and I have problem with overclock my Athlon 3700+ San Diego (KACAE). I cant set more FSB than 255x11. When I set more and restart my PC windows didnt start and when I go to bios Current CPU Clock show me 44 MHZ on my CPU. Bios in this board is 1.B 090705. I set 1.55 Volt on CPU and I do not using SATA ports. My 3 RAMs runs on 333 Mhz and 2T
first two RAMs are next CPU and third RAM is on the last purple slot. I set optimal timings.

Bios setings:
High Performance Mode - manual
Agressive timings - disabled
Dynamic overclocking - disabled
HT frequency - 2
Cool n quiet - disabled
Adjust COU ratio - startup
Adjust COU FSB frequency - 255
AGP - 67
CPU voltage - 1.550
memory voltage - 2.8
AGP voltage - default

Now I run my CPU on 255x11=2805 Mhz and temperature is low. I have modded Thermaltake volcano 9 on CPU and power supply q-tec PSU 650 Watt Tripple FAN 24P.
How can I clock FSB more than 260x11. Did change bios help me?
Sorry for bad English :shrug:.

One more thing when I OC FSB to 256. Bios detect 0 Mhz CPU and when I increase the FSB to 257 bios detect 11 Mhz CPU next step +11 Mhz... What is this? Bios problem? THX.

Nobody can help me please? :confused: :(

JWilson
09-14-2007, 04:34 AM
Rebels Haven posted a mod of the MSI Neo2 Platinum 1/29/07 7025v1D0 bios: here...... (http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sisubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=21;t=000525;p=1#000 000)

It provides adjustable settings for the mem timings that sideefect put in as fixed timings.

oqix
09-14-2007, 01:50 PM
THX for help,
i just try this bios but it cant help me get more than 255. There is the same problem. I dont know what is with that.

Den Leiw
09-20-2007, 12:30 PM
ah crap, the board just died on me

I bumped the vcore up to 1,55v and after saving the bios settings it didn't turn on. Northbridge fan doesn't spin anymore either. My CPU is fine though. Never exceeded 50° in my OC tests. Clear CMOS and changing battery doesn't help. Oh well I'm not really complaining since the motherboard has been running almost 24/7 for 3 years straight. I could RMA it since it has a 3 year warranty but...

I ordered a DFI Lanparty nf4 board already ^^


RIP MSI K8N Neo 2 :(

Calilis
09-21-2007, 10:19 AM
First of all, sad to hear about your Neo2. I guess nothing lasts forever...

To answer my own question: the board will fit a zalman cnps8000 easily. My cack-handedness almost killed a capacitor, but I guess the gods were smiling on me during my upgrade from a winnie 3200 to an opty 180....

Izagaia
11-24-2007, 09:08 AM
Am the proud owner of a Compaq GX5000Z X Gaming PC. I purchased mine off of eBay roughly two years ago and have never regretted it. Truly an amazing machine. And I did so thinking that someday I could easily upgrade it to Microsoft's next-gen operating system. The system is as follows:

CoolerMaster WaveMaster aluminum case
Enermax NoiseTaker 470watt powersupply
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (ver 1.0, bios: 1.D)
AMD64 X2 4200+
1024MB Ram
GeForce 5700 256MB
Audigy 2ZS Platinum
Compaq FP7317 17" LCD Monitor

Not exactly "cutting edge" by today's standards, I know. However, I prefer to think of it as owning a classic Corvette. You're not exactly going to "smoke the competition" with the thing, yet you do still catch quite a few eye-poppings from the "awe factor" visually. Since I have owned it, I have upgraded the CPU from the AMD64 3800+ that came standard. As well as upgraded the bios from the OEM version to Award's most recent. I even had gone so far as branding the new version with the Compaq logo to retain the overall "feel".

Mind you, I had done all of this with the notion of eventually upgrading to Windows Vista. I even convinced HP of sending me an Express Upgrade Kit free of charge letting them believe that this was a qualifying system. So Vista is installed at this point. And for all practical purposes seems to be running well enough. But it appears that the board has some sort of conflict with Vista in that it refuses to "restart" when so directed by either my own or the operating system's direction. After being directed to restart, it powers down somewhat, then hangs in a sort of hibernated state without powering back up. At this point, the bios will not post and the system seems to "freeze" with only the case's front lights and powersupply fans to identify that there is any life at all therein. I have to completely disconnect the power then reconnect it before the PC will start and post once again. After which, all seems to be fine.

I contacted eSupport from Phoenix Technologies to see if there was indeed another bios version out there that might aleviate this porblem. He assurred me that I had the latest and that the issue was most likely a driver. I am not software expert or even a PC-building expert, by any means so I knew I was out-of-my-league on this one. The support individual then attempted to sell me a subscription to obtain the latest drivers that were available for any PC make and model. Stating that vendors often release new versions all the time and that what we commonly find through Windows Update and manufacters websites are often out-dated and ancient by the time they actually post them. So he clues me to the fact that there are driver upgrades out there that have yet to go through digital-signing process, but out there in limbo nonetheless. So rather than allowing him to con me out of even more money (I purchased my recent bios upgrade from him), I sought out and obtained software which scans your system and finds these "unreleased" drivers for you. Driver-Soft's "Driver Genius Professional" indeed found several drivers for my nForce3-based motherboard. Including a set not released by either nVidia or MSI for Vista. However, even in upgrading all my drivers, my system's powering problem persists.


If you have kept up with me to this point; my apologies for my rant, however this problem is truly annoying. And I cannot possibly believe, given the poularity of this board, that there are others out there attempting to run Vista who have not experienced this problem as well.

If there is anyone who can shed some insight to me on this, izzy would be grateful... Thanks! :shrug:

Izagaia
11-29-2007, 09:24 AM
A little lesson to share for those who do encounter a similar problem as mine:


It seems that Vista refuses to "play nice" with certain USB devices running on their own powersources. In my case - an I/O Magic 320GB external USB harddrive. Izzy is guessing that Vista recognizes such devices as part of the operating system and computer (it is afterall a formatted harddrive, in my case) and attempts shutting it down as well as it would any normal internal harddrive. Mind you, while under it's own power, it simply cannot. Therefore, the OS encounters a "glitch". In this instance, not knowing how to proceed from here, it simply "hangs in limbo".

The fix... power-off these devices before restarting. :shakes:

sinister1st
01-13-2008, 08:44 PM
Vista works good with this board, just dont try and use a AIW! :)