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cooptroop4
03-19-2006, 06:53 AM
Wow that's really good overclocking that memory you have, 231mhz (462mhz) try lower your memory mhz too 183mhz in the bios, you should be able too get higher on cpu mhz then,
coop

jsnkok
03-19-2006, 06:55 AM
well.. it did 245Mhz before when using slot 1 and 2... and rams with the same chips have been doing way past 250mhz mark.. roughly 270-280mhz at 1:1

cooptroop4
03-19-2006, 07:00 AM
Nice memory, no heat spreaders, I have a hard time getting my corsair pc4000 pass 211mhz 1t or 2t my old 3000 chip would go 2.4ghz at 266 * 9 set to 4 ht memory was at 150mhz which made it 211mhz if I remember right.
coop

cooptroop4
03-19-2006, 07:03 AM
also the only way I can use all the slot is too set it too 2t maybe you need too do the same too run just slot 3 and 4.
coop

blade148
03-19-2006, 08:56 AM
ok. managed to get a HTT of 260 with 1.60 volts on hte cpu.
i can run games, but can't seem to pass any cpu tests.
i notice the heat is starting to go up . . .
idle 45, load goes up past 65 !
sys temp. 30 ( i know, got to turn down the heating in the house ! )

think it's a cobo of volt. fluctuations, and the end of standard cooling.
was thinking of getting te Zalman CNPS9500, is this the best cooler ? or is there a better one ?

think i'm gonna do some serious case mods to get the hot air out, and re route cables etc etc.
advice anyone .?

Signal64
03-19-2006, 07:57 PM
Is there no way to enable Power On via Keyboard?

The option "S3 Wake Up By PS2/Keyboard" does work for S3 standby mode but not for S5 power off.

Some other nForce3 250 motherboards with Award BIOS's have an additional option to set that to "S3/S4/S5" or an option to just wake by keyboard and not restrict it to S3 mode.

I've been looking at the hidden bios options and some of sideeffect's standard bios mods, but doesn't look like it's there.

Anybody ever get this to work?

jsnkok
03-20-2006, 05:36 AM
ok .. cooptroop4, the 2T settings nets me 20mhz more htt but spi 1m time about the same though... guess i 'm satisfied with 231 hehe..

its done at 3-3-2-7
vcore 1.45v+3.3%
vdimm 2.5v

CM50K
03-22-2006, 10:44 PM
can anybody post a d/l-link für the 1.d-bios from sideeffect?!
the link in his sig redirects me to a forum... which is empty :D

blade148
03-22-2006, 11:22 PM
sideeffects forum IS empty !

i only know of 2 other sites that hold sideeffects bois, but they haven't got version 1.d on them ! i think the only differeance for 1.d is they added fx60 support !
the site is

http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html

Neller
03-24-2006, 06:39 AM
What is best BIOS for K8N NEO2 Platinum for max MHZ?

I run with O144 on 310FSB, but CPU has max FSB about 315, becoase I need stable BIOS for max MHz (FSB)

Max Tractor
03-25-2006, 04:59 AM
I just picked up a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, read so much about it's quirks. Now to my own, I know the temp sensors have been suspect bios update supposed to fix. My MS-7025VER:1(I take it, it is revision1, what were the differences between rev-rev2?) arrived with bios 1.3, flashed it to official 1.9, it idles at around 29/30 but as soon as you put it under load it jumps from 30c to 40c(stock cpu speeds 2.0ghz) overlocked 2.6 1.45-8.3% 31/32c to 53c and keeps rising, this is on prime, as soon as you stop it will drop from around 57c to 35c. I take it this is a dodgy sensor, I have cool n quiet off in the bios?

Another question, I can see no volt adjustment for the chipset in the bios, is there any?

On some early/short results, managed prime stable10x260 2.6/3x/1.45-8.3%/166 slots 1+2

Anything above that fails, I have booted to 2.7/2.8/2.85/2.9

Thanks

nowayman
03-25-2006, 07:13 AM
Hello, my first post :)
I also have a jumpy cpu temperature problem. I own a amd64 venice 3000+ cpu.
The cpu idles at around 32-33C in my watercooled system, with cool n quiet enabled. The water temp is 29 degrees.

As soon as I load the cpu the temp jumps to 50 degrees (actually there is something wrong here too, after I sleep the pc to ram-S3 mode-, the cpu temp decreases 5C) and stays there. During this time the water temp is 30-31 degrees.

Is there a fault with the boards temp sensor, or is my cpu's thermal resistance between the IHS and actual core is so high, that I am reading 20C difference with the water temp.

Thanks

sinister1st
03-25-2006, 12:40 PM
Keep c&q off. How much vcore are you pushing and what hardware are you working with Max T ?

Youll have to test the actual vcore I have to give mine 1.4 + 8.3% to get 1.5v and 1.4 + 10.% to get 1.6. Yes the sensors are not that accurate. Mine sometimes go to hell when I run prime. Sometimes when I try other combinations to get up to 1.5 1.6ish I get misreadings and unstability but with above settings I pull 24 hr dual prime stable.

Potex you will be fine with X2 4400 and mushkin. My board loves my mushkin but mines not UCCC. I had gskill and it likes my muskin better, also likes 11 multi best. Use slot 1&2 the 2 closest to the cpu.:toast:

nowayman
03-25-2006, 02:39 PM
the temp difference between the water and the cpu must be 2-3 degrees tops.
But I see differences over 20 degrees. I am guessing either the ihs-core resistivity is really high, or faulty temp reading.

My vcore is default at 1.40 volts and cool n quiet is enabled. I've tried disabling cool n quiet and now the cpu idles at 42 degrees with water temp at 28 and cpu load temp is still 50C.

I still have no idea why the cpu temperature drop 5C after a succesfull wakeup from S3(suspend to ram) state.

sinister1st
03-25-2006, 03:03 PM
Do you have the amd driver loaded? Well you know that it should just be a 2deg. difference between the water so I dont think you are actually loading that high. One time I got a read of 110 degrees on my cpu :eek: I knew it was bs this was under dual prime 24hrs the poor little sensor couldnt take it. I use everest ultimate/speedfan/and sandra to moniter temps with this board. I dont trust any of the readings. My bios says idle of 35 deg. soft IDLE 30-31 under load 51-55. So i just figure its somewhere in between.

I think someone on here was going to change the caps Im still waiting for the outcome. I load the amd driver and all nvidia drivers except IDE. CNQ disabled. Nothing on auto in bios. I dont like my moniter turning off/AMP to ALWAYS ON I think Im using S1(POS). Maybe the hybernation is causing the dips in temp readings?

nowayman
03-25-2006, 04:03 PM
yeah during idle the temp between the core and water should be around 2-3 degrees. I verified this on my last intel cpu also still verifying on my gpu temps.

During load depending on the thermal resistance and wattage used by the die the difference will increase.
For example my gpu gives a 6C difference during load and nearly 0C during idle.

But the cpu is a whole different story :)
At the moment I am just ignoring the cpu temp reading and using the water temp as a baseline.

Changing cool n quite on/off didnt make any difference.

Max Tractor
03-27-2006, 10:03 AM
Keep c&q off. How much vcore are you pushing and what hardware are you working with Max T ?


I had some kit around spare, just needed board/cpu to make up another folder
FSP 350W
3200 Venice
2x256 pc3200 geil ultra
97 pro

My board is working away nicely, flashed to sideefects 1.C(thanks to sideeffect)bios. I had everything turned off in bios 1.9, 1.c does alot of that by default, these boards are great fun

Folded 2 tinkers, 2.5/2.550 1.42v according speedfan, currently running 2.6-1.42v, just over halfway into wu, will keep pushing.

I re-seated the hsf and some AS5,the temp jump is still there. Speedfan currently showing 44c, under load, I would hazard a guess that it is about 10c over

Losphoron
03-28-2006, 02:10 PM
can i replace the little cooler that cool the board only with a radiator...
I have a Thermatake PSU,Ati silencer 5 2, Arctic cooling Ultra64 tcl..The tiny mb cooler is the noisest thing in my PC..I need to get rid of it somehow..what you guys recommend? thank you

TMM
03-29-2006, 02:40 PM
Heres the "standard" 1.D by sideeffect:
http://tmmtmm.org/files/1D1SideEffect_Standard.rar
:toast:

@Losphoron: Any small passive heatsink should be fine as Nforce3 doesn't make alot of heat. The Zalman NB47-J heatsinks tend to work well :)

e-jump
03-29-2006, 08:35 PM
here's 1.D tccd
http://rapidshare.de/files/16762101/1dtccd.rar.html
[uploaded on rapidshare]

oh well, still can get ram stable at 255, so i left msi for epox
good luck guys o/

ZorK
03-30-2006, 03:22 PM
Hi!I'm wondering if my cpu temps are accurate with Sideeffect bios 1.b?Because in idle i have 26C and when playing i think it goes 35C.Are these temps real?Because they seem very low especially in idle.

Why are temp differences between oficial bios and Sideeffect?

I have a Lexa case with temp sensors.The one from cpu shows 31C in idle.Which temp is more real?The one from bios or the one from the case's sensor?

the system is:MSI Neo 2 Platinum,A64 3200+ with Freezer 64,vcore 1.4,2*512 Kingmax,Asus 6800,Chieftec 450W

Max Tractor
03-31-2006, 11:15 AM
Having zero luck for stability at anything over 2.5 10x250, tried lowering multi 9x, pumping more volts, the cpu is prime stable, and folding stable 1.4v 3.3%-1.42 according to speed fan, even at 1.6 2.550/2.6 it fails, the cpu has booted to 2.9 on this board, I have no idea what it actually can do, but I would guess it can do more than 2.5 stable. Tried the private/general settings but rhis only produces a hold after windows screen.

Were there problems with rev 1 boards and stability over 250

blade148
03-31-2006, 01:48 PM
ok. don't shoot me for this, but what are your mem settings ..? have you tried with a 1:2 div. ( to take the mem out of the equation ? )

are you using mem. slots 1 and 2 ? ( 3 and 4 can be trouble some )
any one else have ideas ..??

cooptroop4
03-31-2006, 03:30 PM
Max what is your memory set for mhz, try backing that down, I had problems also the same as you, bought better memory and I can do 11 * 250 all day long.
coop

magica
04-01-2006, 11:12 AM
Having zero luck for stability at anything over 2.5 10x250, tried lowering multi 9x, pumping more volts, the cpu is prime stable, and folding stable 1.4v 3.3%-1.42 according to speed fan, even at 1.6 2.550/2.6 it fails, the cpu has booted to 2.9 on this board, I have no idea what it actually can do, but I would guess it can do more than 2.5 stable. Tried the private/general settings but rhis only produces a hold after windows screen.

Were there problems with rev 1 boards and stability over 250

my 3200 venice needs 1.45 + 5 % to prime stable I also had it at 10 x 250 and I dropped back down to 245 cause I suspected it was causeing a problem esp. since my ht was reported over 1000 for some wierd reason so I for sure under 1000 now .

I think 500ddr is enough for pc3200 and see people going for 10 x 260 is really cracking me up.

the only other valid set up for this board is then with the 9 divider and the 183 divider , but I would only attemt something like 9 x 270 or whatever with an opteron that can for sure do that and ofcourse you would need the sideeffect bios for the 183 divider . Tractor if your sticking with your cpu then I would stick a fork in it and call it done

akbnkb
04-01-2006, 10:55 PM
hi guys, what will happin if i use c&q when overclocked? i mean i like it overclocked when runing games and apps but i dont like to turn off my computer ether to save on my power bill.. well to speak of why wont q&c work at all when over clocked? im running bios 1.c . im running a 3000 plus venice e3 stepping and i can run it 9 X 295 but my mem has to be under 235 and at 2t.i was going for 2.9 but this is fine i guess. Thanks for any input

Zeus...
04-02-2006, 12:47 AM
hi guys, what will happin if i use c&q when overclocked? i mean i like it overclocked when runing games and apps but i dont like to turn off my computer ether to save on my power bill.. well to speak of why wont q&c work at all when over clocked? im running bios 1.c . im running a 3000 plus venice e3 stepping and i can run it 9 X 295 but my mem has to be under 235 and at 2t.i was going for 2.9 but this is fine i guess. Thanks for any input

Funny u should ask as late last night I got my old MSI neo2 back up and running with a venice and I wonted the same as u as my main rig (see sig) I have 'CnQ' working a treat when overclocked using 'Crystalcpuid' and it works a real treat. declocking to CPU to a CPU multi of x4 with 1.0Vcpu and having a max of x11 1.45Vcpu and also a min setting too. keeps it cool when browsing and fires to life as soon as its needed.

so I treid to gwt it to work on the Neo2 and venice last night - but the AMD driver to allow CnQ doesnt work with the venice needs an opteron. I treid it and it locked up the system when crystalcpuid mulipler managment system was enabled and 'when I took off the AMD CnQ driver and then tried the crystalcpuid mulipler managment system I got a BSOD.

So options r as far as I can see are

1. upgrade to an opty
2. tuff

I would be interested if anyone else has an opty on this mobo and has some sort of CnQ working with an overclock as I might consider selling this Venice and getting an opty because the CnQ works so well on my main rig.

If u do have an opty and wish to try it - install the AMD driver for QnQ here
(http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9033,00.html)
and CystalCpuid is here (http://crystalmark.info/download/index-e.html) install the amd driver first but dont enable CnQ in the Bios then install CystalCPUID . I installed it to a directry in program files which I made and called it crystallCPUID and then plaed a shortcut in the startup dir modifing the command line option from "C:\CrystalCPUID\CrystalCPUID.exe" to "C:\CrystalCPUID\CrystalCPUID.exe" /CQ /HIDE as it shows here
(http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalCPUID/index-e.html) both bits of software r easy to instal and easy to remove so go on give that opty and try and let it cool between frags, u stand nothing to lose.

U can even set it to lock out on the MIn/mid and max muli on the fly by just click on an ion in the system tray. I have my opty to boot at a lower multi and volts and when it gets into windows cystalcpuid takes over and still gives u the full CPU muli range of the chip.

If anyone has CnQ working on an Venice I would be greatful myself to here about it

'Summer is a coming'

Max Tractor
04-03-2006, 05:43 AM
Thanx for the input guys
Slots 1+2
I am running 1T 166 divider=208 2.75V-2.5-3-3-7 4xHT, uptime folding of 5 days 17 hours fully stable

Tighter timings 2-3-3-6 result in a slower pi time, strange.lol

This board has quite a few quirks, I reckon the cpu has loads more in it, but not in this board

cooptroop4
04-03-2006, 07:52 AM
I can't get C & Q to work on my board, after installing everything its a no go.
coop

adamwinn
04-03-2006, 03:53 PM
I've been wondering why no one ever posts this link:

http://www.swjka.com/neo2/index.php

Its where Sideeffect posts his bios directly. You'll get them there (including 1.D) long before you'll get them elsewhere.

sideeffect
04-03-2006, 04:21 PM
A 1.D beta 2 bios was released but with no changelog and nothing appears new in the bios. I dont think ill bother making a mod of it. 1.D proved less stable for me than 1.C as well. Im using 1.C3.

Havnt been modding neo 2 as much because im building a server Tyan Thunder K8SRE (nforce profesional) :p:

adamwinn
04-03-2006, 06:27 PM
Sideeffect, the 1.C no-temp is amazing. Its the FIRST revision I've ever used that has been stable on my system for more than 24 hours. I've been primeing for 72 hours straight now without a hickup at -12C on my A64.

I think my 6800gt likes the 1.C more than anything.

sideeffect
04-04-2006, 09:16 AM
Yes I agree 1.C is the best so far for me as well. I also have a 6800 GT which would sometimes act strangely with certain bios revisions.

magica
04-04-2006, 12:45 PM
If anyone has CnQ working on an Venice I would be greatful myself to here about it

'Summer is a coming'


Well I have the AMD cpu driver loaded and I have the new core center installed. I have c& q turned OFF in the bios.


When Im in core center I can click on cool and quite and it works just fine. Clicks off too no problem. Im not really interested in useing it and just checked it a couple weeks ago for the hell of it.

My only question is why does it work without turning it on in the bios or maybe that is the auto way for it to run and I didnt know it ..... I dont know . I have a 3200 venice and it works for me through core center.

I have never tried anything about this with the bios option turned on .

adamwinn
04-05-2006, 05:38 PM
I think CoreCenter will let you turn it on regardless of the bios' setting is because the bios doesn't lock it once it sets it.

Doesn't seem any different from the way we can OC with CoreCenter

cooptroop4
04-06-2006, 06:51 PM
How do you know its working, I turn mine on and nothing seems to change at all?
thks
coop

kbtat2
04-06-2006, 07:31 PM
^ I wondered the same thing.^

kbtat2
04-06-2006, 08:04 PM
I have a noob question, what does "Cpu startup vid" mean in the bios?
I have mine set to 1.475. I thought it meant that 1.475 was the startup vcore and then you add to that by adjusting the % setting after that. Is that right?
The main reason I'm asking this is because I'm trying to increase my vcore and the % setting isn't raising my vcore according to CPUZ.
I then tried to increase the above mentioned Startup vid and couldn't boot into windows.

akbnkb
04-06-2006, 10:44 PM
If its not working check right click desktop, click screen saver goto power on the first tab in power schemes in the first pull down menu select minimal power managment and it will work unless you are running somthing like a folding app or somthing.it also works over clocked as well......i did my reading on it after posting my question on how to get it to work..hope it helps, also to verifiy its working core center will tell you what it has set the multiplyer to and fsb, Avery

akbnkb
04-06-2006, 10:46 PM
hey can anyone tell me how to get my sig side by side insted of top and bottom? Thanks, Avery

adamwinn
04-07-2006, 10:32 PM
Use an html table?

cooptroop4
04-08-2006, 04:15 AM
I can't get my C & Q too work left it running all night with core up and found the cpu still at 2750mhz did the settings in screen saver and also the bios. I'm using the sideefect 1c. any ideas.
thks
coop

Zeus...
04-08-2006, 08:08 AM
Ok got CnQ working

download 'AMD Athlonâ„¢ 64 Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.' from here (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html) eighth one down.

run the install program from AMD and reboot(if u run it a second time after reboot the install program takes the AMD CnQ driver off)

on reboot press 'DEL' enter bios and enable 'CnQ' in bios - think it was in the cell menu

save and exit

and as soon as the core center starts up ( and assuming u have 'CnQ' enable in the core center it works

if u havent got it enabled in the core center - click on where it says 'core center' on the core center as enable it.

works a treat but haven't treid it with overclocked settings - or setting any Vcpu changes still have this system @STD and auto for Vcpu and mutlipler settings

Will try again with 'CrystalCPUID' later and see if that works now that 'CnQ' is working. SO far when I have tried it the system has just locked up. but sons fragging on the system ATM so will try later.

cooptroop4
04-08-2006, 08:33 AM
cpu stays the same, I'm overclocking, that met be why it doesn't work, I will try at default settings later.
thks
coop

blade148
04-08-2006, 11:18 AM
hi ya,
having some real problems trying to get my nv lan to work, and hopefully get the graphics card on it's own IRQ.


i can't get the nv lan to work. does detect it in windows, but won't re new the ip.

in the bios, the mac address is disabled, and when i set it to enabled and exit, the screen hangs for a couple of secs, then reboots ... but still with it disabled.

windows has a mac address asigned to it.
starts with fb-ff-ff ( not sure i should post the whole mac address on the interenet. ? :stick: )

i try to manually put in the same mac address in thte bois. but again it just hangs.




atm i'm using the realtek lan. and it shares the same IRQ, as my 6800GT.

any ideas people ..? ?

thanks .

kbtat2
04-08-2006, 11:54 AM
To Blade148, Mine did the same thing and I goofed up some of my settings while trying to OC and decided to reflash my bios and when I did it started working on it's own.
I leave the NV Lan setting on auto.
I have done so many adjustments that I can't really recall exactly what made it work but I think it was the reflash of the bios that did it for me.
Couldn't hurt to try.

akbnkb
04-08-2006, 01:36 PM
coop i dont think seting to stock will do the trick.....im not sure why its not working for you.i also have that bios. mine is oced as well not that high right now but my q & c is working..what cpu r u using? im runing a venice 3000+ e3 stepping. also r u using any apps that might be using to much of ur cpu?
Avery

cooptroop4
04-08-2006, 02:21 PM
I have the opr 148 cpu, haven't tryed the stock setting yet,
thks
coop

akbnkb
04-08-2006, 05:12 PM
oh, i know nothin about optys...but i thought they had a diferent driver than regular a64s..sorry i dont think i can be of any help, Avery

sinister1st
04-08-2006, 06:14 PM
hi ya,
having some real problems trying to get my nv lan to work, and hopefully get the graphics card on it's own IRQ.


i can't get the nv lan to work. does detect it in windows, but won't re new the ip.

in the bios, the mac address is disabled, and when i set it to enabled and exit, the screen hangs for a couple of secs, then reboots ... but still with it disabled.

windows has a mac address asigned to it.
starts with fb-ff-ff ( not sure i should post the whole mac address on the interenet. ? :stick: )

i try to manually put in the same mac address in thte bois. but again it just hangs.




atm i'm using the realtek lan. and it shares the same IRQ, as my 6800GT.

any ideas people ..? ?

thanks .

Maybe this might help

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1109203#post1109203
:toast:

magica
04-08-2006, 09:48 PM
i dont know why cool and quite is such a big problem


when you click it on in core center both my fans cpu and north bridge go to about half speed. Nothing else changes wheather im at 2500mhz or 2009 mhz thats all it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blade148
04-08-2006, 11:14 PM
Maybe this might help

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1109203#post1109203
:toast:


YES ! you are a star ! thanks sinister.

simple.

the sticker on your printer port is your nv lan mac address.
simply re enter it in hte bios. !

thanks :)

akbnkb
04-09-2006, 12:46 AM
magica, it is sapose to lower your cpu speeds and fan speeds to save power and make the pc quieter. your cpu doesnt lower ferqunces when on? if not do you have the amd driver loaded? have you changed windows power settings?do you have any programs running that would use lots of power like folding apps or anything?it will only work with what i said above and nothing power hungry running. i may not be the first to go to about this but i couldnt get it to work and then learned that amd has a driver for the cpu and i had to change power settings in screen saver menu.hope this helps, Avery

TMM
04-09-2006, 11:56 PM
A 1.D beta 2 bios was released but with no changelog and nothing appears new in the bios. I dont think ill bother making a mod of it. 1.D proved less stable for me than 1.C as well. Im using 1.C3.

Havnt been modding neo 2 as much because im building a server Tyan Thunder K8SRE (nforce profesional) :p:
Agreed. 1.8 and 1.C3 are the best imo. 1.8 gets me to about 340HTT and 1.C3 gets me 350-360HTT.

kbtat2
04-10-2006, 01:03 PM
TMM, have you tried the 1C Final bios? Do you think I would have anything to gain from switching to the 1C3 from the 1C Final?

sideeffect
04-10-2006, 01:27 PM
kbtat2 It seems that the 1.C3 works better with nvidia 6800 cards as at least 3 people have mentioned that now. In my experiance at high overclocks I can be 100 percent stable in windows but crash in games with some bios revisions.

1.C3 doesnt have that problem for me 1.C final does.

kbtat2
04-10-2006, 04:15 PM
Thanks Sideeffect, I will try that bios out and see.
I'm sure it's already been covered but it's kinda hard to absorb everything after 164 pages :D .

TMM
04-11-2006, 12:06 AM
same as SE here - 1.C3 runs my 6800 fine, 1.C0 sometimes "freezes up" for a few seconds every few minutes on my 6800 when playing games.

edit: now put some heatsinks on the mosfets for vcore. was getting a bit unstable over 1.55v with my opteron, so if the board still works *prays no arctic silver adhesive got on mosfet legs* Then i'll do the vddr ones aswell :)

TMM
04-11-2006, 01:54 PM
Sinking the mosfets allowed me to knock off ~0.025v at the same clocks as before :toast: (down from needing 1.6v to prime @ 2880mhz to 1.575v), and i still need to sink the ones on the back of the board!

kbtat2
04-11-2006, 02:19 PM
Hey TMM, could you take a pic of where you put the heatsinks?

TMM
04-12-2006, 06:19 AM
http://www.tmmtmm.org/files/neo2_si_2.jpg
crap pic i know, but the flash broke on my digicam (7 year old Olympus 1.3MP woot!) ..actually im not sure what HASN'T broken on that camera yet heh
http://www.tmmtmm.org/files/neo2_si.jpg
red shaded area is where the sink is. blue arrows are the mosfets for vddr which could be worth while doing, and red ones im not entirely sure what they do (vAGP and chipset voltage?) but they get pretty hot tho.

JaCk0
04-12-2006, 04:02 PM
are you using copper heatskins?

TMM
04-13-2006, 03:55 AM
aluminum - its a Pentium1 (iirc) cooler hacked up to size :)

Abercrombi3
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
hey people, i've got myself a X2 3800+ (was running 2.7Ghz @ 1.56v stable on a friends machine) now i've got it and i want to get it at 2.6Ghz, my gear is the following:

AMD X2 3800+
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat.
1Gb Corsair TwinX 3200XL (2-2-2-5) Ram in Dual Chanel
Asetek Watercooling System
Ati 9800XT
Antec 480w TruePower

ok now i need a little tutorial on how i could acheive this overclock as this is my first AMD system so im a n00b at it...

also i have a problem with my BIOS, were if i have 1 stick of ram in the slot my bios will boot fine, when i add another it also boots fine until i boot windows, and try to enter the bios on next start up, i get a white Underscore just flashing on a black screen, this can be fixed by taking out a stick of ram, booting into bios, saving the settings, putting the second back in, but then next time ill have the same problem, anyone know whats going on?!

thanks in advance!

Zeus...
04-15-2006, 11:07 PM
hey people, i've got myself a X2 3800+ (was running 2.7Ghz @ 1.56v stable on a friends machine) now i've got it and i want to get it at 2.6Ghz, my gear is the following:

AMD X2 3800+
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat.
1Gb Corsair TwinX 3200XL (2-2-2-5) Ram in Dual Chanel
Asetek Watercooling System
Ati 9800XT
Antec 480w TruePower

ok now i need a little tutorial on how i could acheive this overclock as this is my first AMD system so im a n00b at it...

also i have a problem with my BIOS, were if i have 1 stick of ram in the slot my bios will boot fine, when i add another it also boots fine until i boot windows, and try to enter the bios on next start up, i get a white Underscore just flashing on a black screen, this can be fixed by taking out a stick of ram, booting into bios, saving the settings, putting the second back in, but then next time ill have the same problem, anyone know whats going on?!

thanks in advance!


Have u updated the bios?

e-jump
04-15-2006, 11:29 PM
Abercrombi3, which ramslot did u use?

Zeus...
04-15-2006, 11:46 PM
Abercrombi3, which ramslot did u use?

Yep, use the two nearest the CPU

Abercrombi3
04-16-2006, 12:10 AM
i did use the 2 closest to the CPU and my bios was updated to the newest with no change...

Zeus...
04-16-2006, 12:30 AM
i did use the 2 closest to the CPU and my bios was updated to the newest with no change...

which Bios?

Abercrombi3
04-16-2006, 12:33 AM
CPU-Z Says:
Brand:Pheonix Technologies, LTD
Version: 6.00 PG
Date: 09/07/2005

i used that live update thingy....

Losphoron
04-17-2006, 10:49 AM
not that :)
At boot near MS-7025 there is a number v1.x ...this is the bios version you need to know

Abercrombi3
04-17-2006, 02:55 PM
oh ok, heres a photo of the post 169kb :)
http://www.footballfactor.net/style_images/IMG_0063.jpg

[XC] DragonOrta
04-17-2006, 03:24 PM
Is there any way to set 1.6v vcore in BIOS with an X2 chip with a default voltage of 1.35v? I'm using linux, so bumping volts up with CoreCenter isn't an option. I'd use the 1.36 bios, but since I'm using an X2, I have a feeling it wouldn't work out that great.

sinister1st
04-17-2006, 05:14 PM
DragonO if you want 1.6v try 10%+1.4 thats what I use for my X2 4400. Use the latest 1.b official or sideeffects bios 1.c (a few different flavors).

[XC] DragonOrta
04-17-2006, 05:29 PM
I'm using 1.4v + 10%, but that only gets me ~1.55v with SideEffect's 1.c TCCD bios. I actually have it set to 1.5v + 10%, just to make sure I'm getting as much as I can.

nowayman
04-19-2006, 10:15 AM
Hello,
After i wake my pc from s3 sleep state, cpu fsb and ram divider revert back to values set at the bios. Also the cpu voltage is set to 1.4 default value.

Is there a way to change this behaviour? I want the values to stay where they are.

I have a amd64 venice 3000+.

ajhodge
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
I have a problem with the SATA3 and SATA4 ports on my K8N Neo2. Whenever I connect a drive to one of them I can't boot into windows. It gets to the windows loading sreen but the screen is very faint and the progress bar doesn't move. I have tried several drives which all work OK when connected to SATA1 or SATA2.

Also, I just bought a Maxtor 300gb SATA driv. The drive is capable of 300mb (SATA II ?). When I try to connect it to any SATA port I am unable to boot into windows. It attempts to reboot and keeps going to the 'didn't boot correctly into windows last time...' screen. I changed the jumper on the drive make it 150mb but it still didn't work. It's possible that the drive is faulty but I wanted to check to see if the K8N Neo2 board had a size restriction for SATA drives.

Any ideas?

[XC] DragonOrta
04-19-2006, 03:29 PM
Make sure that you have the drivers for the SATA chip on the mobo. I'm not sure if 3 & 4 use a Silicon Image chip. You might want to check that out.

Abercrombi3
04-19-2006, 05:33 PM
anyone have any idea whats up with mine???

[XC] DragonOrta
04-19-2006, 07:31 PM
try setting your timings to 2-3-2-7 instead of 2-2-2-7, and then change it back to 2-2-2 in Windows with A64Tweaker.

Aoestein
04-21-2006, 08:57 AM
I have som serious problems with my new RAM
512*2 XTREEM DDR600 Team Group
When I run bios 1.47mod the RAM can only run 1:1@300FSB in singelchannel not in dual 1024. Does anyone else have problems running 1:1@300FSB, or have the solution to my problem?
My goal is running 300*9 = 2700mhz, its not the cpu that's the problem.

System:
3000+ Venice
2*512 XTREEM
MSI NEO2

I've tried 1.36b with bad results, no boot unless FSB<220.

//Aoe

Draxx
04-21-2006, 10:23 AM
You'll be very lucky on a NF3 to reach anywhere near 1:1 at 300 in dual channel.

Aoestein
04-22-2006, 03:49 PM
You'll be very lucky on a NF3 to reach anywhere near 1:1 at 300 in dual channel.

Ok, how about NF4?

Sleepy Samurai
04-24-2006, 08:19 AM
Hello All,

It has been a while. The advise I received in the past was very good and I would like some more.

I am starting to upgrade my system the specs are bellow. I would like to know if any other these Ram have been used before on the Neo2 Plat. and with what result?

Also is it worth upgrading or waiting? (cost per gain)?

Ram:
Mushkin XP PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL 3-4-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit

OCZ EL Gold GX XTC PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-3-8 184PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit

OCZ EL Platinum PC3200 2GB 2X1GB DDR400 CL2-3-2-5 184PIN Pin Dual Channel Memory Kit /W Ramsink

OCZ Gold EL PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-4-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit W/ Ramsink

System:
AMD 64 3200+ Veince w XP-90
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. | 2x512mb Hynix BT 3500
200gb Seagate | ATI AIW x800 xt | SB Audigy Gamer

Many Thanks,
Sleepy

deton8
04-24-2006, 07:10 PM
OCZ Gold EL PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-4-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit W/ Ramsink


Well, I've been using the same RAM for about a week (see sig) - so far so good :D There doesn't seem to be any UCCC-specific modded BIOSes, though...


On a side note, has anyone had problems with fluctuating VCore on the Beta 1C3 BIOS? I'm having a helluva time getting mine stable. Right now I'm pushing 1.5 + 10%, which gives me "approximately" 1.65 in Windows, but setting it higher results in lower volts! :eek:

Actually, what I have in BIOS for voltage and what CPU-Z, MBM, Core Center etc. read in Windows are hardly ever the same, and usually on the low side. I'm 6h prime stable, which for my tastes is barely, but temps are okay despite the voltages. I'm hoping I can do with less voltage if I can get what I'm using more stable.

Could the issue be hardware, BIOS, or what? The PSU is an RMA replacement, if that means anything...

Draxx
04-25-2006, 02:17 AM
Ok, how about NF4?


NF4 and RD580 its possible yes.

magica
04-25-2006, 04:14 AM
Hey everybody, I saw some wierd stuff so i thought id report. WIERD BIOS OBSERVATIONS ON STOCK AND SIDEFFECT BIOS *********
************************************************** ***********************************************
I was on the 1 c final , i got a 3700 and rushed it in my board forgot to clear bios. It corrupted and I couldnt get back in. I ordered another bios , put it in no problem. and got on the internet.

Flashed old bios to 1c final , tried to get on internet and could not. Also I had to enable the giga network to get windows to give me nvidia connection , and I needed the firewire on. Then I disable both in windows and go with the nvidia connection. Well on the old bios I get no connection to the internet even with a clear cmos command in dos! Windows gives me a no connect IP like my nic isnt working.

So ok the old bios chip got damaged everything else seems to work. Ill clear it and keep for emergency. Flashed to latest msi bios

I put new bios back in and get into windows and even get the internet ...ok
flash 1 c final and again I have to have the giga lan and firewire enabled in bios to get the nvidia connection . Fine I disable the others and then I get on the internet.

Since my mistake in haste. I am seeing the giga lan blurb when booting up and I believe a raid detect or ide raid check that is disabled. This happens with bios on old chip and new chip even with cmos cleared . My old bios originaly was 1 b and was winflashed to 1 c no problem. During that time I didnt see any raid check or the giga lan check during a boot up after post screen. SO that is wierd!!!

Anyway so far everything seems ok Im not overclocking yet though. I am preparing to get a raid o installed so I also thought this would be a good idea to put these observations up. Its wierd.

kbtat2
04-25-2006, 03:44 PM
I too have been having very wierd things happen in my bios recently.

First off yesterday I couldn't boot windows at all, the bios wouldn't find my hard drives. So I reflashed the bios and everything was okay.
A short time later the same thing happened again. Then after I try to reboot I get the Realtek LAN message right before it should have booted into windows. I flashed again.
So far it has been okay but I wonder what is going on that keeps corrrupting my bios. I also randomly get the "Nvidia is searching for array" message even though I have disabled RAID in the bios.
What usually causes that type of behaviour?
I checked my battery and the voltage was at 2.79 volts which according to what I've read is okay.
The Bios in question is also "1C Final by sideeffect"

Any help from you experts would be great.

magica
04-25-2006, 04:39 PM
I too have been having very wierd things happen in my bios recently.

First off yesterday I couldn't boot windows at all, the bios wouldn't find my hard drives. So I reflashed the bios and everything was okay.
A short time later the same thing happened again. Then after I try to reboot I get the Realtek LAN message right before it should have booted into windows. I flashed again.
So far it has been okay but I wonder what is going on that keeps corrrupting my bios. I also randomly get the "Nvidia is searching for array" message even though I have disabled RAID in the bios.
What usually causes that type of behaviour?
I checked my battery and the voltage was at 2.79 volts which according to what I've read is okay.
The Bios in question is also "1C Final by sideeffect"

Any help from you experts would be great.


Im not sure if the stock replacement bios tried to detect an ide array or not. I think it did even though it was disabled and I had cmos cleared via a clrcmos.exe in dos. The realtek lan message is ok esp since you probly have that enabled. That is the bottom port in back. The top port is the nvidia port the one you should use. I am sure that I used to have the realtek disabled all the time and I didnt see this message but now I must have this giga lan enabled or windows wont give me the nvidia connection under network connections. THATS MY WIERD THING.

Tata2 what you see is probly normal. Even though its disabled it looks or we get the message , who knows if the board is actually looking. It maybe just because its a modded bios. I dont know

magica
04-25-2006, 04:46 PM
Hello All,

It has been a while. The advise I received in the past was very good and I would like some more.

I am starting to upgrade my system the specs are bellow. I would like to know if any other these Ram have been used before on the Neo2 Plat. and with what result?

Also is it worth upgrading or waiting? (cost per gain)?

Ram:
Mushkin XP PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL 3-4-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit

OCZ EL Gold GX XTC PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-3-8 184PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit

OCZ EL Platinum PC3200 2GB 2X1GB DDR400 CL2-3-2-5 184PIN Pin Dual Channel Memory Kit /W Ramsink

OCZ Gold EL PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-4-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit W/ Ramsink

System:
AMD 64 3200+ Veince w XP-90
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. | 2x512mb Hynix BT 3500
200gb Seagate | ATI AIW x800 xt | SB Audigy Gamer

Many Thanks,
Sleepy

Some claim 500 ddr with the platinum rev 2 tccd but I couldnt do it with my venice 3200. I could do it but I would get various bsod for no reasons sometimes and memtest no problem. Went back down to 10 x 200 and problems went away 5 2 2 2 timings. Prime example of an overclock pushed too far.

I have a 3700 now and Im going to try again for 11x 250 x 4 mem at 500 ddr 1 t . 7 3 3 2.5

[XC] DragonOrta
04-25-2006, 10:41 PM
Are you sure that your MC was up to it? It would have to be an awfully crappy mem controller, but that might have been the problem. I really doubt that it could have been that you pushed the Venice too far. 2500mhz should have been no problem. What volts did you run? 2.7v would probably be the best setting, since that usually set ~2.78 on my Neo2.


And I'm not quite sure where your post fits in with his, since he's talking about 1gb sticks, which is impossible with TCCD. But whatever.

magica
04-26-2006, 03:46 AM
I want to blame the cpu cause I fear the memory being the probolem but it passed tests. 145 +8% and mem was 275 and shortly 2.8 im maxing that this time. The 3200 seems to run like a dream but the various bsods I was getting do relate to memory as the overall concensus.

Sleepy Samurai
04-26-2006, 04:10 AM
I have had troubles with ram in the past and that is why I am asking.

One time I got some OCZ gold GX ram and it would not over clock past 200fsb. The ram worked fine on any other computer and OCZ swore the ram would work and offered to RMA it. I posted my results in a pervious post.

I seem to have troubles going over 200fsb with T1 timings. And have tried an number of things with no result.

I like the idea of PC4000 ram over the tight timings. I guess the only way to find out is to try it.

OCZ Gold EL PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL3-4-4-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit W/ Ramsink
or
Mushkin XP PC4000 2GB 2X1GB DDR500 CL 3-4-3-8 184PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory Kit

Agr I hate making decisions with out full info. I think I will go with OCZ as I do not know Mushkin or if they are compatible. If only computers where easy...

sinister1st
04-26-2006, 08:49 AM
Sleepy Samurai the new muskins are lookin sweet to me did you catch bachus's review http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96474&highlight=mushkin

They have CE-5 chips the old mushkins (wich I have, are CE-6 ) The mushkins are definitely compatible with my board. I havent got the pleasure of using OCZ yet but want to, either one should do fine. Also the gskill 2gb will be cheaper.

Get those new muskins and let us know how the do!:)

Special_K
04-29-2006, 07:37 AM
K just switched from Ballistix Z503's to G.Skill 2GBHZ's and without any tweaking been able to run same 265MHz, slightly loser 3,4,4,8 (from 3,3,3,8 with Z503's) but most noteably @ 1T (from 2T with Z503's)

and this is hours of BF2 STABLE which makes K H.A.P.P.Y. =D

tweaking to come soon =]

PURE_MCSE
05-02-2006, 06:59 AM
Hi to all...
2 SE,
Please can you make 1.8F mod with 1T fix but without changing memory
latency..., like NFM did.
I have RAID 0, and with newer bioses starting from 1.A to 1.D have anoyng
problems like (comp don't want to boot at all, can't detect hdd's, can't load
windows...), tryed every bios available but no one works OK exept 1.8F and
older. I see that other users on this forum who have RAID 0 have same
problems..., and it's obvious that older bioses work better for us with RAID 0.
With NFM 1.8R3 works OK, but memory latency's are to tight, and bios
suffers from 2T. Don't know if "san diego edition" can work ok to...
PLEASE save us...

HeamothoraxUK
05-02-2006, 10:40 AM
Hi PURE MCSE,
I use 180NFM(Rev.3)1T The Sandiego edition which forces 1T
and found it to be one of the most stable and have ideal timings for
my G.Skill HZ which I run at 270 2.6v 3,4,3,6 1T. With some of the newer bioses when i overclocked(low overclocks) sometimes my raid array would be lost so i would have to reset cmos and start again which just got annoying in the end so I switched back to NFM's bios and never looked back.
By the way what memory are you running?

PURE_MCSE
05-02-2006, 01:35 PM
HI HeamothoraxUK
I use Infineon 2 x 512 PC3200.... stable until 235 at 1:1.
I was afraid to flash becouse the core is not San Diego but VENICE...
I used NFM 1.8r3/2T standard edition and it worked ok. NEVER had RAID problems at all.
The "THING" that bother's me with NFM bios is memory latency...
Factory default latency: TRRD(2), TRWT(4), TWR(3)..., NFM bios set them to be TRRD(3), TRWT(2),
TWR (2), everything worked so far without a single eror but I think it's to tight for my memory...(maybe I
am wrong...). I dont know what's the difference between NFM 1.8r3/2t standard edition
and NFM 1.8r3/1t San Diego edition, is the diffrenece only 1t/2t fix or there is something more...
- Is it safe to flash San Diego edition for VENICE core...
Thanks...

HeamothoraxUK
05-02-2006, 02:01 PM
HI PURE MCSE,
I'm almost sure venice is supported natively by pre 1.8 bioses
it was only the sandiego which was not so you should be ok. If you want extra voltage on your chip try the 1.36 or 1.37 modded bioses.

HeamothoraxUK
05-02-2006, 02:29 PM
Hi PURE MCSE,
Just had a quick scan through this thread you should be alright
with 1.36Mod and upwards I don't know if there are any 1T 2T issues but avoid 1.52Mod as it doesn't work and will trash your board. Good luck.

PURE_MCSE
05-03-2006, 12:35 AM
Thanks again...
Will try NFM 1.8r3 SD edition later...
Hate to clear CMOS via JUMPER...:)

HeamothoraxUK
05-03-2006, 01:14 AM
Hi PURE MCSE,
Don't flash the sandiego edition if you have a Venice core,it was only designed to force 1T on sandiego I don't know how it will effect your venice it may trash your bios or not!

PURE_MCSE
05-03-2006, 02:18 AM
I have allredy tested 1t via lukija's A64 info and it worked ok, no single error.
If the diffrence between 1.8r3 NFM standard edition and 1.8r3 San Diego
edition bios is only 1t/2t, San Diego edition have to work with VENICE
100%.

PURE_MCSE
05-03-2006, 04:04 AM
JUST flashed 1.8r3 SD edition and everything works ok for now.
But there is one anoyng thing, @post bios report memory latency @2T.
When windows loads, when checked A64info report 1T latency.
Memory benchmarks reports olso 1T.

HeamothoraxUK
05-03-2006, 05:57 AM
Hi PURE MCSE,
Glad everything turned out ok for you.Mine also reports 2T at post but I can live with that because I get better stabillity from the bios on a whole.Good luck with your overclocking.

Lestat
05-03-2006, 06:25 PM
man you guys still aint learned that switching over to dfi will get you much higher clocks and WAY better stability..

i switched and have never looked back and went from 2.7-ish max to 2.9-ish max on the same cpu and ram... there is no comparison..


now.....

where is Sideeffect ? i need to see if he has a 754 Neo Platinum modded bios.

seriously though i loved my neo2 but damn it just was day and night when switching to the Ultra-D

HeamothoraxUK
05-04-2006, 04:25 AM
Hi Lestat,
At the moment i've not got the money to upgrade but if I did it certainly wouldn't be to DFI, haven't used that crap since socket A when I bought 5 defective boards in a row.I haven't had stability problems with my Neo 2 in over a year and a half, it's never missed a beat and will last me until socket AM2 matures and moves to 65nm process.Some new hardware wouldn't go amiss though as it's always nice to play with something new. Damn I've got to get a Job LOL.

TenzoR
05-04-2006, 06:04 PM
dual core here I come :)

sitll don't know if I should give up on this board, its very stable

.neo.
05-10-2006, 05:35 AM
Hello to all,

I dont know if the matter im going to put up already have been discused here still to read 1XX pages is some hours work (sorry) .

I have :

AMD64 3200+ E6
OCZ pc4000 VX
Msi neo2 platinum
Audigy 2 platinum
2 x WD sata 120 gigas
XFX 6800 Ultra
OCZ powerstream 420w

My problem is this i can play for example call of duty 2, with no problems, but if i try to install a new game like farcry (original version) or PES5 (backup version) the computer will freeze and reboot, yes i have overclock, still i already tryed in default, have flashed some bios , like sideeffect mooded, the offical ones from MSI and still have this problem.

I just dont know what else to do :( .

Regards

Zeus...
05-10-2006, 06:50 AM
Hello to all,

I dont know if the matter im going to put up already have been discused here still to read 1XX pages is some hours work (sorry) .

I have :

AMD64 3200+ E6
OCZ pc4000 VX
Msi neo2 platinum
Audigy 2 platinum
2 x WD sata 120 gigas
XFX 6800 Ultra
OCZ powerstream 420w

My problem is this i can play for example call of duty 2, with no problems, but if i try to install a new game like farcry (original version) or PES5 (backup version) the computer will freeze and reboot, yes i have overclock, still i already tryed in default, have flashed some bios , like sideeffect mooded, the offical ones from MSI and still have this problem.

I just dont know what else to do :( .

Regards

u using satas 3 and 4 if not do :)

.neo.
05-10-2006, 07:00 AM
Im using it 3 and 4 yes .

Kingsob
05-12-2006, 03:35 AM
The other day my 6800GT's fan died so I pulled out the card and placed a 5600xt in. It wouldn't boot so I did a bios reset and all was good. How ever the system would not post once I turned on the Second network plug. I'm using Side's bios 1.C and when ever I turn on the network it just sits there forever with the USB thing showing lights 1 and 3 in red.

I've now placed my 6800gt back in with a new fan and I still can't place the lan on. It was working 100% fine before this but :(

Losphoron
05-12-2006, 01:40 PM
Ok..
i have to choose between
- GEIL Ultra X GeIL Ultra X CL2 (2-2-2-5-1) Radiator ( Kit 2 x 512MB ) costs ONLY 166$ (all taxes)
- GeIL One CL1.5 (1.5-2-2-5-1) ONLY 284$ .. Kinda expensive
- Kingston KHX3200AK2/1G (Hyper X 2x512 memory) only 119$
- model from OCZ cost about 240$+ :S

- Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2PT (2 3 3 6) this are ONLY 136$
- Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPT are ONLY 256$ ...Kinda expensive for my budget
- Corsair TWINX1024-4400C25PT are 256$ too ... grrr

Now with my Kingmax PC3200 setted at 333mhz instead 400mhz i do 2.4Ghz efective with my sytem in signature..
What you guys recommend..the cheapest model from those i mentioned or other models that have the best raport OC/Price for my system..I prefer not to pay 250$ is too much for me..but if it worth so much i will sell my hair from my ass too to buy those:P

Marvin
05-20-2006, 12:23 PM
A strange problem happen here. I have tested 3 chips ( winnie, san diego and a X2).
I didnt have cold bug using bios 1.8 ,but now i have to use another bois to support dual core, no one worked.
Maybe not a chip problem, but the mb problem....:(

cooptroop4
05-22-2006, 05:23 AM
Need some help here, just got done builting another 7025 board, the boot time is really slow, when windows screen comes up it stops for about two mins then it loads the rest of it. I'm running a 3000 venice core, 1gb of pc4000 corsair, bfg 6600 gtoc card, 80gb sata drive, and also new install of xp pro, I have try so many different bios and nothing changes, I do have the sata cable plug into #3 slot and tryed #4 still the same, I don't remember installing the sata drive from the floppy like I did with my other 7025 board, could this cause that problem? I really don't want to start all over again.
thankyou for the help.
coop

blade148
05-23-2006, 08:54 AM
have you tried bootvis ? it's a program by Microsoft that can analise your bootup time and can optimise your files for start up.
can also show you a graph of your complete boot with regards to cpu,hdd read/write useage, and can name boot up files.
is quite good .... try a google for bootvis.exe

cooptroop4
05-23-2006, 12:39 PM
I will try that, do you know if that sata driver with the floppy could do this.
thks
coop

blade148
05-23-2006, 01:59 PM
i don't know about the sata driver. I've never play with them before ! ( hope to later on this year )

all i can say to add is that bootvis is a prog. that works within windows, and is not a dos/ bootable program. :)

hope it helps you.

cooptroop4
05-29-2006, 06:44 PM
tryed bootvis, no luck, still hangs at the windows screen, any ideas anybody?
coop

Special_K
05-30-2006, 07:35 AM
do you have RAID enabled even if you are not using it?

cooptroop4
06-01-2006, 02:42 PM
no I don't, does that need to be for sata, my other pc with the same board and hard drive doesn't have it enable either, that one boots just fine.
thks
coop

Draxx
06-02-2006, 03:10 PM
Anyone tried the 1.D2 beta?

http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/W7025NMS1D2.zip

TMM
06-03-2006, 04:55 AM
http://msi-forum.de/thread.php?postid=193881&sid=1730be450aaaf672927b443230460f1f#post193881

Du könntest es auch mal mit dem 1D2 BIOS aus der Mod-Section versuchen.
Hab mich die letzten Tage ziemlich viel mit dem Board und OCen beschäftigt und hatte öfters die gleichen Ergebnisse, sobald ich den FSB auf über 250 anheben wollte! (Win kackt einfach ab un rebootet)
Das 1D2 war bisher das Einzige, mit dem sich das Board stabil auf 255 betreiben lies. (Test läuft noch)
Allerdings ist mein Sys damit nicht mehr Prime-stable!http://msi-forum.de/msi_images/smilies/frown.gif

i can't read german but i think that means it sucks. lol

edit:
basic translation

You could try it also times with the 1D2 BIOS from the Mod section. Me the last days a good deal with the board and OCen employed and had repeatedly the same results, as soon as I wanted to raise the FSB on over 250! (Win :banana::banana::banana::banana:s simply off un rebootet) The 1D2 was so far the only one, with which stably on 255 operate themselves the board read. (Test runs still) However my Sys thereby is Prime stable no longer!

hmm... seems like he couldn't do over 250htt on any bios (windows reboot itself), but with 1d2, 255htt = OK but it wasn't prime stable.

I'll go test it out and report back to you guys...

TMM
06-03-2006, 05:30 AM
ok. on 1.D2 now.
things i've observed
- takes ages to boot (about twice as long to get to winXP loading screen compared to 1.8, 1.C3, or 1.D1)
- can only adjust TCL, TRCD, TRD, TRAS and command rate in memory options
- stupidly loose timings (TRC = 12, TRFC = 24, TRTW=4)
- can boot at faster memory speeds, but still not any more stable (max primeable mem speeds = same as other bioses). I assume this is because of stupidly loose memory timings.

I'd say don't bother yet... Im going to try and tweak the timings thru A64 tweaker and see if its any better.

sideeffect
06-03-2006, 07:00 AM
The memory timings are still in 1.D2 they are just hidden. You can make them show by using Shift F2 or Alt F2 something like that.

1.D2 has been out a while now and havnt heard anything that good about it.

TMM
06-03-2006, 08:00 AM
i tryed all combinations of shift, alt, ctrl, f1 and f2 and couldn't get them to show up. ah well... back to 1.C3 :D

my bios is fried i think. Flashed back to 1.C3, after about half an hour, k/b stopped working, then rebooted and it hasn't booted since. PUlled out the battery and had the CMOS clearing overnight and no go. Either A) CPU is dead (unlikely), B) motherboard is rooted (hardware), C) bios is corrupt. GOing to try and get a new bios chip preflashed...

sideeffect
06-04-2006, 10:18 AM
Yes TMM the 1.D bios is flakey at best. My bios also corrupted after a crash. Wouldnt even boot anything after. I had to switch chips to another chip that is also broken but has a working boot block then switch back and hotflash.

I wish all motherboards had dual bios like Gigabyte. I think 1.C3 is the best of the newer bios files for stability and it doesnt seem to fully corrupt like others have but still does glitch from time to time at high overclocks.

Im sure all bios versions are fine at stock speeds.

TMM
06-04-2006, 03:45 PM
Yep. Tested everything in another motherboard and CPU, RAM and ,gfx card work. Its for sure the bios, but i'm setting aside the Neo2 for a bit and selling my 6800GT. Going to a pci-e setup, just for something new and interesting :P (DFI NF4 Ultra-D and 7600GT :)). After i've sorted everything out again i'll be sure to get the neo2 going again to build up a second rig :D

arnemetis
06-04-2006, 08:00 PM
What would be best bios for a dual core chip (dunno if opteron or x2 yet) and pc4400 tccd@2.5-3-3-7? I also require the use of a promise ata133 pci card, which many bios past 1.8 have not played nice with. Getting my nvlan working again after one of the bios fried its mac address would be great as well. Currently on 1.8 rev3 by nfm, thank you!

TMM
06-04-2006, 11:39 PM
Sideeffects 1.C3 TCCD would have been the best, but since you're limited to 1.8, NFMs 1.8 is really the best you can get. btw, you can manually change the nvMAC address the bios uses by using a certain switch while flashing (forget the details, just use the /? switch for more info i.e. "awfl833d.exe /?"). iirc, the orginal mac address in on a sticker somewhere, i think its on the parallel port.

arnemetis
06-05-2006, 05:42 AM
limited to 1.8? is that because of the promise pci controller?? I thought I would need newer than 1.8 to support dual core? Also, i tried flashing with the switch to re-apply the mac, found on the website where nfm/se's bioses are hosted. it took the command fine, and the mac is detected with ipconfig, however the lan port still doesnt work. Think it fried soemthing :( Lets assume I can just keep using the gigabit lan (stupid thing likes to die if i use it too much tho) and I dump the promise controller, would 1.c3 tccd still be my best bet? My tccd doesnt like weak drive strength oddly, and it loves juice (2.85v nets the best results, steadily dropping down to 2.65 where i stopped going lower as results kept dwindling) Thanks.

TMM
06-05-2006, 04:07 PM
I'm pretty sure DualCore is a-ok with 1.8 and above. 1.9 and above have problems booting off pci cards, but you could try one of the more recent ones (e.g. 1.C3 or 1.D1)

Sleepy Samurai
06-07-2006, 06:45 AM
I am running a AMD 64 3200+ Venice with an XP-90 and silentcat fan (yeah the cat is going soon) at stock speeds and voltages. Now I want to over clock but can not seem to get accurate temps off different monitors. Any advise? Is this commen?

My BIOS reports 36c for the CPU temp in a 26c environment with plenty of ventilation idle.
MBM5 reports 40c (as bast as I can tell)
Fan Speed reports 38-42c (as bast as I can tell)

Now both MBM and FS just name the sensor''s with a language I do not understand. The 3 sensors report 40ish 32ish and 155ish. I have no clue what 155c is but assume 40c is the CPU and 32c is the case.

sideeffect
06-09-2006, 02:48 PM
1.8 doesnt support Dual core so your kind of stuck. Do you really need an ide controller anyway? The motherboard has room for 4 drives + 2 satas will work even at overclock. Thats 6 drives. I bought myself ide - sata converters for my older hard drives to free up IDE space and they work brilliantly. No performance loss.

You can buy them for a few pounds as well.

Mikee
06-10-2006, 07:20 PM
Sideeffect, or another kind soul....I spent an hour reading this one thread, and have not yet found a list of complete settings and best BIOS to use for a SAFE BIOS setup....maybe with a little OC'ing for games like HL2/BF2.

I have had my K8N Neo2 Plat for 18 months with original A64 3500+, with stock air cooler, and OCZ matched pair Gold Rev2 500 x2.

I'm using the MSI 1.B Bios that MSI has on their site, and don't know if there is a better one to use. There are so many of the BIOS settings in the Cell section that I don't understand, it would be great if there was a more complete list of how to set them up.

I also have a XConnect 500W PSU, Audigy 2 X-Fi Fatality, ATI X800 XT PE, and 2 ATA Seagate Barracuda 160 GB drives. Running XP Pro. I am pretty much using default settings except these changes:

Advanced Chipset

AGP Aperture 256M
Fast Writes-Disabled

Integrated Peripherals

AC97 Controller Disabled
MAC Lan Auto
Onboard 1394 Enabled
Onboard LAN Controller Enabled (I have both Cable and DSL, so use both if one goes out)

IDE Devices Config all enabled except I disabled the 4 SATA items

RAID Config Disabled

I/0 Device Config FDC & Parallel Disabled

PnP/PCI Config

Primary Graphics Adapter AGP
Resources Controlled by Auto (ESCD)

Cell Menu

Current CPU Clock 2211 MHz (grayed out)
Current DDR Clock 400 MHz (grayed out)

DRAM Config

Timing Mode Auto
(Timings grayed out)
Bottom of 32-bit[31:24] IO [D0]
1T/2T Mem Timing [2T]
S/W memory hole Remapping Disabled
High Performance Mode Optimzed
Aggessive Timing Disabled
Dynamic OC'ing Sergeant
Clock Spread Spectrum Disabled
HT Frequency 4x
Cool n Quiet Disable
Adjust CPU Ratio Startup
Adjust CPU FSB Frequency 200
Adjust AGP Frequency 66
Adjust CPU VID Startup
CPU Voltage By CPU VID
Memory Voltage Auto
AGP Voltage 1.50 V


I OC'd my older rig using a Koolance water cooling tower with Asus A7N8X with Athlon 2700, but just never had the time to follow all the recommendations for this air cooled Neo2 A-64 3500+, so was hoping to get a shortcut guideline from the experts in this thread.

I sure appreciate any help you can give me!

Signal64
06-13-2006, 03:13 AM
Apologize, I've been digging through this thread I'm still missing something.
I'm sure this is a lame question.

I'm running Sideffects 1CB3 bios and can't figure out how to increase memory clock above 200Mhz? Memory speed choices don't go above 200 in the Memory clock section and I don't see an obvious ratio or multiplier option for memory clock. Just changing CPU clock doesn't adjust the memory clock.

Can someone help a blind man here?

Thanks

Draxx
06-13-2006, 04:11 AM
Apologize, I've been digging through this thread I'm still missing something.
I'm sure this is a lame question.

I'm running Sideffects 1CB3 bios and can't figure out how to increase memory clock above 200Mhz? Memory speed choices don't go above 200 in the Memory clock section and I don't see an obvious ratio or multiplier option for memory clock. Just changing CPU clock doesn't adjust the memory clock.

Can someone help a blind man here?

Thanks

The RAM speed scales with the HTT speed.

Sleepy Samurai
06-13-2006, 05:15 AM
With the proposed price drops what CPUs does this board run? I see people with dual cores in the search but MSI only reports a few of them. Do it violate the warranty installing a non-supported CPU?

Will this run an X2?

Draxx
06-13-2006, 07:33 AM
With the proposed price drops what CPUs does this board run? I see people with dual cores in the search but MSI only reports a few of them. Do it violate the warranty installing a non-supported CPU?

Will this run an X2?

It will run :-

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=650&kind=1

All of them ;)

Mikee
06-13-2006, 09:14 AM
Darn, I was hoping someone could help me know how to choose the best BIOS and settings in my post above. Any help would really be appreciated.

Losphoron
06-13-2006, 09:58 AM
Mike:
i use 1.C3
Cell menu settings:
270mhz fsb
4x ht multiplier
Cpu voltage 1.550v+5% overvid
Memory latency: 2.4.4.8 with 1T
Memory divider at 166mhz and real memory frequecy is 220mhz
CnC disable completly.
Memory voltage default
Agp voltage default.
This is my OC settings for my system in signature.

DRAXX: 280 is your max stable FSB with those OCZ? Is that 1:1 ?

Draxx
06-13-2006, 02:19 PM
Mike:
i use 1.C3
Cell menu settings:
270mhz fsb
4x ht multiplier
Cpu voltage 1.550v+5% overvid
Memory latency: 2.4.4.8 with 1T
Memory divider at 166mhz and real memory frequecy is 220mhz
CnC disable completly.
Memory voltage default
Agp voltage default.
This is my OC settings for my system in signature.

DRAXX: 280 is your max stable FSB with those OCZ? Is that 1:1 ?

Hell no, I can't fit the OCZ booster in due to the XP90-C, so the max I can run is 2.9v which is no way near enough to even get 205Mhz windows stable. I use the 133 divider to get the RAM at 180Mhz 2-2-2-10-1T with all other timings super tight.

Even the 150 divider which sets the RAM at 210Mhz will not be windows stable :(

The HTT will goto 315Mhz ish, but not done enough testing to be 100% sure.

Mikee
06-14-2006, 09:58 AM
Losphoron, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure when I look at SideEffect's list of BIOS versions which one would work best for my CPU and OCZ which is rated to run at 2-2-2-5

It seems that your timings are pretty high to use the A-64's capabilities....maybe your RAM has that limit? I'm about to flash with S.E.'s 1C BIOS. Still not sure of all the settings, like should I choose 256 for AGP Aperature with my card, and tighter timings?

sinister1st
06-14-2006, 12:03 PM
IPCONFIG /release does not work with vista unless you disable these features

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1505961&postcount=29

thanks lestat:) .

Ubuntu/linux=

sudo dhclient -r eth0
sudo dhclient eth0


Instead of posting a new thread and if someone uses the search button under ipconfig /release it will be here. -- This will be very helpful to dsl/cable users with no router who serf or crunch one pc at a time.

Mikee
06-14-2006, 01:35 PM
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/OC1.jpg

Well I got it to load after flashing with default BIOS, but anything I tried to adjust in BIOS to bump up settings even a little bit over the default 2210 MHz would not let me startup on reboot. Obviously, there's some setting I'm not doing right. It would be so great if someone could list all the changes I should make over default.

Any other ideas and suggestions would be great.

Special_K
06-14-2006, 03:25 PM
Mike - are you saying you cant even get 205MHz HTT?

Mikee
06-14-2006, 11:05 PM
All the ways I tried to put any adjustments beyond SE's default settings, even just a little bump up (like 10x225) would not post on reboot. I know I have the older NewCastle higher voltage core, but again I'm not sure what settings to put to have the best chance. Maybe I'm not using the right voltage, or don't know the right timings from the BIOS. I know this is a decent matched pair RAM that normally runs at 2-2-2-5, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. MY BIOS temps when I look are always 34-39C....so my Arctic Silver seems to still be working even with this stock air cooler.

Losphoron
06-15-2006, 07:02 AM
I think your timings are too tight.I have Kingmax sticks.Those are not high end.I tested the performance in Sisoft sandra and the best settings Timings vs 1T is using 1T.The diference betweeen 2.4.4.8 and 2.3.3.6 (the lowest in PC3200 standard and default settings for 2T) is about 150-200MB/s at bandwidht tests and with 1T vs 2T is 1000MB/s so i prefer staying with 1T.I will not go down more than 166mhzx2 (333mhz) divider at memory.Anyone in real gaming the diference is 1fps or 2 with those timings like 2.3.3.6.
Offtopic: Any program that change device id in bios for my X850pro?. I want to put an X850XT PE ID maybe i can unlock it.

arnemetis
06-15-2006, 08:48 AM
1.8 doesnt support Dual core so your kind of stuck. Do you really need an ide controller anyway? The motherboard has room for 4 drives + 2 satas will work even at overclock. Thats 6 drives. I bought myself ide - sata converters for my older hard drives to free up IDE space and they work brilliantly. No performance loss.

You can buy them for a few pounds as well.

Will a pci sata card work? It looks to be much cheaper to pick one of those up, versus the adapters and cables (in my case i would need 90 degree cables and these adapters - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16812206002 to close the side of the case). If I must go the adapter route, anyone suggest a better place to buy/model of adapter to use? I cant use the ones that stick out, this one was the only one I found thats pretty much flat. Thanks.
*edit* I am in fact a moron. Must of been tired this morning, I have no choice but to use the little bridge adapter. I guess a new question would be for tccd that likes voltage (mine does better with 2.85v than less), would bios 1.c3 regular or tccd be best? its g.skill 1gble pc4400, thanks.

Special_K
06-15-2006, 04:51 PM
Mike - download and run A64Info (http://avala.yubc.net/~lukija/A64Info.rar) - it's made by a guy on XS Forums =]

post a screenshot of your max settings and we will get a better idea how to help you because it has more info than A64Tweaker

Signal64
06-16-2006, 01:14 AM
Mikee - I'm using x2 Corsair Twinx CMX512-3200XLPRO sticks which have the same 2-2-2-5 SPD timings. They've always worked fine at stock speeds at 1T and their rated 2.7v.

But as Losphoron suggests, you probably need to relax the timming on your memory to do any overclock.
I couldn't get mine above 214Mhz without doing so. System would reboot when going into Windows.

I'm new at this and still messing with the timmings, but give 2.5-4-4-7 a shot just for grins.
I was able to at least start going to higher HTT with those.

I got these timmings after looking at an old review for this RAM where they did a bit of testing on OC'ing them.
Those timmings may give you a starting point for yours.

I'm using Sideeffects 1C3 BIOS if that helps.

Signal64
06-16-2006, 01:58 PM
Is there anyway to get a x10.5 CPU Multiplier with Sideeffect's 1C3 BIOS?

Found some folks running 240 and getting 2520 CPU Clock which I want to try.

Thanks

Mikee
06-17-2006, 01:27 AM
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/pike444/OC3.jpg

Special K, here is that printout from the new tool. I think the problem might be that I don't know the voltage settings besides the timings...but I'm just not sure what I'm doing wrong. Thanks for your help

Signal64
06-17-2006, 10:45 PM
Well, after some good and mostly failed tests (that were driving me nuts) I replaced my PSU and got a Corsair Nautilus 500 cooling system for the CPU.

Those changes seems to have made a world of difference.
I'm still testing and by know means are these the best, but this is what I have so far:

Hardware Setup:
BIOS - Sideeffect 1DB1 Standard
AMD 64 4000+ San Diego
CPU Heatsink - Corsair Nautilus 500
Memory - Corsair TwinX 1024XL PC3200 (x2 Corsair CMX512-3200XLPRO Default SPD 2-2-2-5 @ 2.7v )
Video - Nvidia 6800GT - PNY Verto - BIOS 5.40.00.15.51 - Default 350Mhz/1Gig - Driver 84.21
Hard Disk - Seagate Barracuda 120GB 7200RPM - ST3120026AS (on SATA 3 next to CPU)
Power Supply - Silverstone 550W

OC:
CPU Clock: 255
CPU Multi: 11 (2.8Ghz)
CPU VID: 1.45
HT Multi: 4 (1020)
Mem Clock: 183
DDR Volt: 2.7
Timming: 3-3-3-5-1T
All other BIOS settings at default.

Some Scores:
Sandra Lite 2007.5.10.98
Mem Int: 6824
Mem FP: 6724
ALU: 10158
SSE3: 8601
MM Int: 26391
MM FP: 28666

3DMark03: 12308
3DMark05: 4971
3Dmark06: 2426

Super PI mod 1.4/checksum mod was tried when I thought the system was stable enough.

I know my memory is holding me back to DDR480. I've tried upping the volts and different timmings without luck and I found other reports of the same memory not being able to go above 480. So unless there's some magic numbers or settings to help correct that I'm not sure what else to try. Over all, I can't complain about the memory considering it's rated as PC3200 / DDR400 memory to begin with.

I'm going to try some more timmings to see if I can tighten them down a bit.
Any recommendations?

The 3DMark Scores were for grins and to see how well the overclock was working. I found 3DMark03 to stutter or reboot the system when settings were unstable, so it was somewhat of a good indicater what would happen when gaming. The PNY 6800GT doesn't overclock well, but I'm replacing that with a BFG 7800 GS OC which I got a deal on. I expect those scores to change some.

I'm afraid to try much further on the FSB considering I can't seem to understand which temps are accurate. Seems MBM and Core Center aren't reporting them correctly - I get 31c idle and 45c for CPU, but case is showing 7c ? BIOS is showing 41c for CPU. I probably need to reseat the block and let the AS5 settle in as well, but would like to figure out which tool to use to get accurate temps in windows.

If you'd like me to try any other settings or have other advice, please let me know.

Thanks!

EDIT: ARG! I just installed the 7800GS OC at the 255 FSB settings above and the system won't post at all.
I'm not even trying to OC it. For AGP clock I tried 66 and 67 (due to the earlier reports that AGP wouldn't lock unless it was 67) with no luck.
Currently working with it at 240x11 / x4 HT / 200Mhz DDR and it's ok. Is there an issue with AGP 3.0 cards at or above 250??

DuceGT
06-18-2006, 04:57 AM
try 68

Mikee
06-18-2006, 02:26 PM
Do you guys think my early NewCastle 130nm core is why I can't get an easy OC? I'm just not sure what I should set all the things (timings, voltage) to (or even if this is the best BIOS), without causing damage, and would rather wait for advice from someone who may have experience with this setup.

-TooL
06-18-2006, 07:22 PM
New offical bios is out, 1.C0. Seems to have corrected the nvidia lan ROM error, also for my board the AGP stays at 66mhz with the overclock, not sure why it would raise with the previous bios (when it shouldnt have).

I havent tried to beat my overclock with this bios yet, but Ive put it at max and its rock solid atm, its an older 3000 Winchester:

Core speed: 2196 MHz
multi: 9.0
HTT: 244 MHz
HT: 4x

Memspeed in bios: 166 mhz
Mem Frequency 199.6 mhz(I may be able to bump up HTT even more, it used to be around 200)
2-3-3-6 timings, Command rate 1T (corsair xms memory, 2 x 1 gig)

I would post a CPU-Z pict, but I figured save the bandwidth and just type this stuff out.

Another thing, I see a new "driver" called "AMD Away Driver", what is that?

Max Tractor
06-19-2006, 01:30 AM
is anybody running twinmos 3200(mtec chips)? Could you post bios/settings/slots, I can't get these sticks stable

thanks

Max Tractor
06-19-2006, 01:36 AM
New offical bios is out, 1.C0

I can only see 1.c


Update date 2005-12-21

do you have link

thanks

arnemetis
06-22-2006, 06:39 PM
i tried to get 1.c3 but the site seems to have been wiped again :( Im using 1.c final but it sucks,i can be memtest stable all day but BSOD in windows like crazy. pls email me sideeffect or anyone with the regular or tccd version of 1.c3 at this name at yahoo dot com. Thanks.

kbtat2
06-23-2006, 08:08 AM
http://www.msi.sploitz.com/

Here is the link for the 1C3 Beta. It's the one on the top right

kbtat2
06-23-2006, 10:18 AM
What are the possible causes of bios corruption? I thought that maybe I was using a less than stable version so I reflashed from Sideeffects 1C final to sideeffects 1C3 and everything was good for a couple of days but now it's doing the same things again.
It will get to the point where windows won't boot so I reset the cmos and redo all my settings and when I reboot it gets stuck on the "Nvidia searching for array" part and freezes. After that I try to press "Delete" to go into the bios settings and it goes into it but immediately freezes.
This all started when I booted into windows and got a bsod that said something about "PFL_CORRUPTED" or something similiar.

arnemetis
06-25-2006, 03:01 PM
Could someone please post a a64 screenshot of good settings for tccd with this mobo? I am going out of my mind trying to get this to work right, i am using an opty 165 where the previous owner had it stable at 2.88ghz with the mem at ddr600 2.5-4-4-6, the cpu tests out nice at 2.88ghz but with the mem at ddr400. My ram is g.skill tccd rated for 275mhz 2.5-3-3-7. I testes the system at 2.7ghz and ddr550 with memtest for 16 hours with no errors, but I can barely last a few seconds in a fresh xp install! :slapass: Even with the cpu on a lower multi around its stock 1.8 I cannot get even the first line of a 1MB superpi to go! I am trying to use sideeffect's 1.c3 tccd bios, thanks to any who can help! *edit* they are week 440 chips, if that helps at all...Ive been trying the settigns from the tccd guide o nthe forums with a tiny bit of sucess with the cpu down low, but up the cpu and it goes to hell.

Max Tractor
06-26-2006, 12:55 AM
have you tried lower volts on ram

arnemetis
06-26-2006, 05:38 AM
Yes, and in some cases, 2.7 got me some headroom, but for high overclocks, anything less than 2.8v wont even post. previous testing showed higher scores with higher volts in everest home edition (back when I had a working memory controller on my cbbid wincheser, imagine that); so I had thought I had gotten the tccd that likes voltage.

Draxx
06-26-2006, 08:21 AM
I've found this to be a problem with the board.

With my BH-6 I can be memtest+ stable at 220Mhz 2-2-2-10 1T no problem. But in Windows, not a chance, lock up city.

Its a shame as I have to run my memory at 180Mhz :(

arnemetis
06-26-2006, 04:22 PM
This is a straight xp sp2 install im using, no newer patches, and most noticably, no dual core fixes....could those be a problem??

*edit* I've been thinking...I remember messing aroudn with the opty in bios 1.8, and while a bunch of optiosn went missing (like cpu multi and cpu vid), I did get ddr550 working for a nice 27 second superpi (my best ever). What exactly is it about 1.8 that it doesnt support dual core? I'm going to try going back to it as it seems vastly more stable than 1.c3 (many times the post will lock up, or display garbled info). Thanks for any clarification...

arnemetis
06-27-2006, 07:07 PM
finally figured it out....this board or cpu has some kind of 2t bug. with dual core, or at least this chip, i cant run mem at 1t, even at ddr400. Should I try to rma my ram? I dont know what else to do at this point, ive tried EVERYTHING. I foudn this out when I tried the 1.8 again, I realized it set the mem to 2t so thats why it was stable. back on 1.c3 tccd mod by sideeffect, still ddr550 isnt stable with 2t, but ddr400 is, so ill stay here for a little while... thanks for any feedback, i think i will sell these sticks and get 2gb of ddr400 :( sux I paid so much for a 165 with a memory controller i cant even use...

Signal64
06-27-2006, 09:28 PM
Sideeffects main site been wiped again?
http://www.swjka.com/neo2/index.php

I'm trying to find Sideeffects 1C final standard (not the Beta 3 that the other BIOS sites link to as 1C)

The mirrors appear to be down as well.

Thanks

Signal64
06-29-2006, 04:23 PM
There appears to be a set of new CoreCenters (yes, plural) available at MSI's site here MSI Mainboard Utility (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/software/swr/spt_swr_list.php?kind=1). There's now a "Dual Core" and single version listed.

Unfortunatly there still isn't a nForce3 NB temp option to look at and I suspect my nForce3 chip was getting a bit hot.

I started to take a look at Systool, Speedfan, MBM, (etc) for monitoring temps and voltages with this board.

Anybody ever noticed that the nForce3 chip temperature is not only reported inaccuratly, but it's backwards??

That is: The hotter the chip gets, the lower the C is.

I confirmed that in both SpeedFan and Systool (which has an offset, but not something that handles the backwards temp scenario).

I modded a somewhat larger heatsink (40x45x25mm) to fit in a way that wouldn't interfere with the AGP card. Had to epoxy the sink on (with Artic Alumina) as there was no way to clamp it down.

I ran the system without an active fan on it for awhile and watched as the temperature being reported by Systool go down (had started at about 22c).
At first I thought that was a good thing until the temp started getting ridiculous (below 10c).

I plugged in a NB fan and just let it rest on the heatsint. I immediatly saw the temp climb back up and settle in at about 18c.

Suppose there is no way to get an accurate reading from the board and need an external method?

Sleepy Samurai
06-30-2006, 08:50 AM
Anybody ever noticed that the nForce3 chip temperature is not only reported inaccuratly, but it's backwards??

How do you get the temps of the NB? No utility I have found does the job unless I am looking at it wrong.

If it makes a difference I installed an after market NB copper HSF when MSI sent me a substandard replacement. Maybe my temps would be lower?

If I want the most stable BIOS what should I be running? Are the new MSI BIOS's any good? Keep in mind I am not an aggressive over clocker.

Edit:

Is there any reason you can think of as to why my motherboard is not stable at 1T with anything over 200FSB? I tried different ram and all.

I had OCZ gold gamer extreme rated at 2-2-2-5 230FSB(I think) and I could not get even 201FSB. This includes loosening timings, higher voltage, and all. And the ram worked 100% in another board.

Signal64
07-01-2006, 12:27 AM
How do you get the temps of the NB? No utility I have found does the job unless I am looking at it wrong.

SysTool, SpeedFan, and older MSI CoreCenter versions report them.
SpeedFan reports it as Temp1 on my board.
SysTool and the older CoreCenter lists it as Northbridge/NB.

Just remember what I said above, the temp is reported "backwards".
9c is hotter than 14c in this case.


If it makes a difference I installed an after market NB copper HSF when MSI sent me a substandard replacement. Maybe my temps would be lower?

Which aftermarket did you get? I couldn't find anything that was low enough and not get in the way of a longer AGP card (like a 7800GS).
If it doesn't have a fan on it, then you may need to consider it. The nForce3 does get pretty hot.

I can't say what a good temp is considering I can't find a thing on what the normal/max temps are for an nForce3 250 Ultra.
nVidia doesn't make that info publicly available, so standard common sense is keep it as cool as you can.


If I want the most stable BIOS what should I be running? Are the new MSI BIOS's any good? Keep in mind I am not an aggressive over clocker.

In going through the thread, I never saw a consensus that one was better than the rest.
Only thing to consider is if your running X2 then you need 1.9 (I think) or later.

I'm having good luck with Sideeffects 1C3 and 1D1 standard versions.
I'd rather use his 1C final, but can't find it.


Edit:

Is there any reason you can think of as to why my motherboard is not stable at 1T with anything over 200FSB? I tried different ram and all.

I had OCZ gold gamer extreme rated at 2-2-2-5 230FSB(I think) and I could not get even 201FSB. This includes loosening timings, higher voltage, and all. And the ram worked 100% in another board.

Had a similar issue with Corsair 3200XLPRO. Had to relax the timings to go above 211. Settled on 3-3-3-8 (was 2-2-2-5 like yours).

On the first page, there's a tip that mentions if TRCD (second number) is 2, then the VDIMM drops by 0.1 volts (i.e. if your ram requires 2.7 and you set it to that, then it drops it to 2.6 if TCRD = 2). You might want to look at that as well.

I'm trying out the OCZ Platinum PC4000 (DDR500) 2Gig kit. Runs fine at 2.7v @ 250 3-3-2-8-1T and has been very stable so far.

And kind of funny, I noticed that the pic at the top of this thread shows the memory in the wrong slots for dual-channel operation (although noted elsewhere).
You need them in the Green/Purple slots (not Green-Green or Purple-Purple) for Dual-Channel to work (at least on the Version 1 boards)

Signal64
07-01-2006, 04:14 PM
Well... I have some good news.

There were a few in the thread that had issues with Cold Boot when they updated their AGP card.

I found myself in a similar situation when I went from a 6800GT to a 7800GS.

The system would work fine with HTT above 250, but when you put in a more recent AGP Card, Cold Boot problems.

You reset everything, boot, OC to something lower and the system would boot fine. Going further, you up it to your higher HTT again and things are running stable. Turn off the system power switch and try to boot, Cold Boot problem. Not an issue with your prior AGP card.

Upping the voltage on AGP and other tweaks wouldn't correct the problem.

I tried more than a few BIOS's last night and finally found that Sideeffect's 1Brev2 standard didn't have the issue at all. Things are cold booting fine again.

I didn't try MSI's 1B or other variations as I'm happy with this one.

The CPU temps are off again (seems to report about 5-7c hotter?) but I'll live with that. I don't trust any of the temps on this board as it is.

Anyway... back to it.

Sleepy Samurai
07-03-2006, 11:08 AM
I have a ventec copper after market cooler that the retailer recommended. Applied some arctic silver and the install was easy. It is the same size a stock with a bigger fan by about 2mm.

With my CPU at 45c my NB is -19c so I must be smoken?

CM50K
07-05-2006, 08:40 AM
today my new "OCZ5002048EBPE-K" (CL3-3-2-8 Dual Channel Platinum EL) arrived! with 2.8V they´re running this:

http://home.arcor.de/cm50k/bilder/ocz_260mhz.jpg

but i´m still using the sideeffect 1.d TCCD bios.
so which bios is the best for this ram?
and what settings should i use?
Trc and DRAM Idle Timer say nothing to me...

Draxx
07-05-2006, 08:49 AM
Post a screenshot of A64 tweaker.

CM50K
07-05-2006, 09:40 AM
http://home.arcor.de/cm50k/bilder/a64tweaker.jpg

i flashed the normal 1.d sideeffect but nothing changed!
250mhz 1:1 doesn´t go with 2.8V and 3-2-3-8 :(

before my X2 runs fine with 260*10 and memory-divider so the TCCD runs with 200mhz!
is the 1:1 with ram harder for the cpu?

Draxx
07-05-2006, 01:41 PM
Yes using the 1:1 ratio the memory controller is working much harder and may not cope.

CM50K
07-05-2006, 01:44 PM
oh no :(
i bought this ram cause i thouhgt i could run it 1:1 with the cpu...

f*** off, so i have to try which divider works best?!
or should i try a lower multi and a higher "fsb" with divider?

Draxx
07-06-2006, 03:28 AM
oh no :(
i bought this ram cause i thouhgt i could run it 1:1 with the cpu...

f*** off, so i have to try which divider works best?!
or should i try a lower multi and a higher "fsb" with divider?

Either, you'll have to find the max CPU overclock by lowering the memory speed to 100Mhz and upping the HTT untill the CPU is unstable. Then lower the CPU multiplier and up the HTT 1:1 until the memory is unstable, then find the happy medium between the two.

Sleepy Samurai
07-09-2006, 05:22 PM
Looking for help with RAID setup. I have two identical drives, WD 250GB 16MB cache, 7200rpm etc. Never setup a hardware before and would like to use raid0.

I installed them in slots 3 and 4

I went into the BIOS and enables SATA and RAID for 3&4.

Went into the BIOS utility and set them up for striping.

Started the windows install and pressed F6 for RAID drivers and picked the first RAID driver. At the windows screen it shows two disks with the same IDs. Each as it own 250GB drive.

I formatted one drive and tried installing windows. Using the driver disk I received an error that could not find nvidiaraid.sys (think that’s the name). And could not proceed with the install.

I tried with out installing the drivers and it worked until the computer rebooted. I received a boot error.

Any ideas?

-----------------

The details are:
SATA 3/4 DMA transfer Disabled
IDE RAID Enabled
SATA3 RAID Enabled
SATA4 RAID Enabled

SATA3/4 Enabled

RAID utility
Boot: yes ID: 1 Status: healthy Stripe 64k Striping width 2

Does this in for help?

Judgeguns
07-10-2006, 12:54 AM
did you load both of drivers: the raid drivers and the controller drivers ? and was the software already loaded on the drives or are you doing a new install?

if you saw 2 drives after loading drivers, then windows did not see the raid config. it should show up as one drive. you have the new raid drivers from msi home page?

PS most folks recommend 16k or 32k on your raid, bit more efficient, and just a bit :)

sounds like you may have to reformat and reload windows again :(

Sleepy Samurai
07-10-2006, 04:00 AM
I did not know to load both drivers and will try again. And I will try 32k cluster size too.

Thanks. As for the install no biggy, I have an unattended windows install disk. Plug and walk away.

RAID is some what a mistery to me. Not in how it works but how to det it up. My other computer was so much easyer.

-----------------

Well that did not seem to work. Loading both drivers made the computer hang at the starting windows blue screen, just before it asks you about formatting and creating partitions.

I will try updated drivers and see if that helps. If only computers were ever easy.

magica
07-10-2006, 09:30 PM
i was getting bsod random ocasions with my venice 3200 at 10 x 250 x 4 maybe because bios wasnt rep senting v core correctly,

Anyway got a 3700 sandieago and its about a non clocker . gave up and went to just about stock, cant seem to overclock it esp with a 7800 gs in the box too, I gave up and raided 2 wd 250 gb 16mb cache drives . kept the 1 c final and lost the overclock for good. very stable after 2-3 months no probs.

will memtest just fine but prime 95 wont work right, super pi would show decent results . my memory gave up on me and so im done clocking this board.

Sleepy Samurai
07-11-2006, 04:45 AM
You are running 4xHTT? I thought that was a no no, might want to lower it down. Or maybe I am mistaken.

(probably the worst for giving over clocking advice but try)

Draxx
07-11-2006, 05:12 AM
4 x 250 is 1000Mhz which is bang on the money i.e. fine.

cooptroop4
07-13-2006, 03:38 PM
Need some help here, just got done builting another 7025 board, the boot time is really slow, when windows screen comes up it stops for about two mins then it loads the rest of it. I'm running a 3000 venice core, 1gb of pc4000 corsair, bfg 6600 gtoc card, 80gb sata drive, and also new install of xp pro, I have try so many different bios and nothing changes, I do have the sata cable plug into #3 slot and tryed #4 still the same, I don't remember installing the sata drive from the floppy like I did with my other 7025 board, could this cause that problem? I really don't want to start all over again.
thankyou for the help.
coop
found what the problem was, the cd rom I was using was bad, it would read cd's just fine, today I put in a dvd burner and it boots right up.
coop

TMM
07-13-2006, 10:21 PM
What are the possible causes of bios corruption? I thought that maybe I was using a less than stable version so I reflashed from Sideeffects 1C final to sideeffects 1C3 and everything was good for a couple of days but now it's doing the same things again.
It will get to the point where windows won't boot so I reset the cmos and redo all my settings and when I reboot it gets stuck on the "Nvidia searching for array" part and freezes. After that I try to press "Delete" to go into the bios settings and it goes into it but immediately freezes.
This all started when I booted into windows and got a bsod that said something about "PFL_CORRUPTED" or something similiar.
pushing my memory too far killed my bios.


The good people at MSI have a new preflashed bios chip heading my way though, :woot:

Sleepy Samurai
07-15-2006, 11:21 AM
I need some help. I am trying to setup RAID0 with two new identical WDC WD2500KS Drives. Western Digital 250gb 16mb 7200 drives.

Now I have gone though all the steps listed on the MSI forum and tried a number of different things. No matter what windows will not detect the drives in RAID0. At the install level or in the OS the HDD are not found.

I have configured the BIOS to enable RAID and SATA. I have used SATA3/4 and jumpered then for 150 (tried 300 as well). I configured the drives in the tool (F10 at boot) and removed all other drives to eliminate conflicts. WD's tool can not find them either.

When they are taken out of RAID, they appear fine.

I have run a full check on the drives and no errors (in DOS and Windows). One is running hot and has an error in everest:
BE <vendor-specific> 45 45 24 55 Advisory: Usage or age limit exceeded

The drives are new and I can RMA or return them. Has anyone setup WD drives in RAID? Is RAID buggy on MSI boards? Should I buy different drives?

This is driving me crazy and away from RAID, any advice would be appreciated.

Maxym
07-19-2006, 04:44 AM
try leaving a bootable cd in your cdrom. And dont hit a key to boot of it.

Had these same issues.....tried different raid drivers. Different hardware configurations (i.e. port 1/2, or 3/4) Different amount of hdd's plugged up (got ide/sata devices all rather full).

Raid by itself it well boot. But no matter what i do, with any OTHER ide/sata devices plugged up the ONLY WAY i can boot is by waiting through the "press any key to boot of cd" screen.

Not bad security cause asif anyone would ever guess that to boot your pc up :P
Kinda annoying tho

2 of my drives are WD, 2 are seagate (out of my SATA devices) 250gb each. Not the 16mb cache tho, so i really dunno whether you should bother RMA or just persist with my quick fix solution heh. I'd really think its the motherboard tho.

Yes, i have even flash'd / used custom bios's
Spent 3-4 solid days trying to solve this problem to no avail :(

Max Tractor
07-20-2006, 02:21 PM
Anybody have problems with

1. AGP slots taking out cards

2. Random no boot with creative audigy zs


is there a way I can measure the actual agp voltage with my multimeter

cheers

Draxx
07-21-2006, 01:43 AM
Anybody have problems with

1. AGP slots taking out cards

2. Random no boot with creative audigy zs


is there a way I can measure the actual agp voltage with my multimeter

cheers

No

No

I guess, but have no idea.

zero3
07-28-2006, 03:11 AM
Guys this may sound stupid but i can't figure out how to set my CPU : DRAM to 1:1 .. i got my ram manualy set to 200MHz ( 2.5 3 3 6 2T) .. 9x230 = 2070MHz .. htt multi x4 .. CPU-Z reports CPU : DRAM set to CPU/9 .. how do i set it to run 1:1 in bios? The CPU is a 3000+ E6 Venice.. :confused:

Draxx
07-28-2006, 04:15 AM
200Mhz is 1:1

2070 / 9 = 230 i.e you RAM is also running at 230Mhz.

The A64 uses a divider ALL the time. There is no true 1:1 on A64, the RAM clock is derived from the CPU clock speed via a divider.

zero3
07-28-2006, 05:39 AM
@Draxx thx for clearing that out.. and perhaps you can answer me to another question .. i'm runing my ram @ DDR460 right now.. with 2.5 3 3 6 2T ( i can't run 1T .. i have to reset the cmos if i set 1T).. so as far as i know i can run max 235 MHz with these timings.. would a 3 4 4 8 @ 245MHz be better in performance than tight timings?
I doubt i can get 245 @ any timings anyway since my ram is so low quality..
1 x 512 KingMax PC3200 rated 2.5 3 3 7
1 x 512 GEIL PC3200 rated 2.5 3 3 6
What's your advice.. thx

Draxx
07-28-2006, 06:09 AM
@Draxx thx for clearing that out.. and perhaps you can answer me to another question .. i'm runing my ram @ DDR460 right now.. with 2.5 3 3 6 2T ( i can't run 1T .. i have to reset the cmos if i set 1T).. so as far as i know i can run max 235 MHz with these timings.. would a 3 4 4 8 @ 245MHz be better in performance than tight timings?
I doubt i can get 245 @ any timings anyway since my ram is so low quality..
1 x 512 KingMax PC3200 rated 2.5 3 3 7
1 x 512 GEIL PC3200 rated 2.5 3 3 6
What's your advice.. thx

I'd download Super Pi and try out both speeds and timings, whichever gives you the fastest Super Pi time is the winner :)

Also test stability with Prime95 (12 hr+) and a 3D Mark of your choice :)

Royalk
08-04-2006, 09:03 PM
I have a problem:
I tried samsung UCCC chips dual channel on neo2-pe
I can reach 282MHz@1T & superpi1M pass
but when I run memtest it crashed in several minutes ..
it can only get stable at 200MHz(default) or HTT250MHz@DDR333(200MHz) if 201MHz it crashes.I tried timing 3-4-4-8-2T@201MHz it still not stable...
and I tried different BIOS ver1.8,1.B0,1.C3 mod TCCD it doesn't help.
what does this mean?is there something wrong with my tweaks?

TiTaNiUm
08-11-2006, 03:16 PM
Question for those in the know, Im in the need of 2gigs of mem, im wondering whats a good pair of sticks for my Neo2, i have a Opty 144 that can easily run 2.8 stable so ill be doing some oc'ing. im looking to spend 2-250us$,

Also, how will 2gigs run on this board/ should i expect problems? THX for any help...:toast:

DuceGT
08-12-2006, 05:40 AM
if you already have a gb i dont think it'd be worthy upgrade...save some dough for k8l :)

flenser
08-13-2006, 08:25 AM
Anyone know the solution to the BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER BSOD on reboot/shutdown problem?

I just went from a 3700 San Diego to an X2 4400, and I get this BSOD almost every time I try to shut down my computer after the cpu swap. The computer was almost 100% stable before the cpu swapout (I'm not overclocking right now) but I don't want to blame this on the new cpu since a quick google search makes it seem like it's a common issue.

I'd rather not go with a bios update if possible, but I will if I have to. The bios I'm using has been working great for a long time now and I've had no real problems with the computer other than this BSOD on shutdown/reboot problem.

Oh yes, I use a powered USB hub and still get the BSOD even when no USB devices are plugged in.

TIA!

Draxx
08-15-2006, 12:53 AM
Anyone know the solution to the BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER BSOD on reboot/shutdown problem?

I just went from a 3700 San Diego to an X2 4400, and I get this BSOD almost every time I try to shut down my computer after the cpu swap. The computer was almost 100% stable before the cpu swapout (I'm not overclocking right now) but I don't want to blame this on the new cpu since a quick google search makes it seem like it's a common issue.

I'd rather not go with a bios update if possible, but I will if I have to. The bios I'm using has been working great for a long time now and I've had no real problems with the computer other than this BSOD on shutdown/reboot problem.

Oh yes, I use a powered USB hub and still get the BSOD even when no USB devices are plugged in.

TIA!

Did you reinstall Windows?

What BIOS you curently running?

TINC
08-17-2006, 05:54 PM
MoBo MSI K8N Diamond Plus
FSB clock in BIOS limited to 320MHz, in manual 450.
Where disappeared 130 MHz ?
CPU x2-3800+ e4.

Xiled
08-19-2006, 05:15 AM
Wich program do you guys use to mod a bios from the MSI K8N NEO 2? I need this because I cant select the advanced timings for my memory! :mad: I saw bios release for tccd ram and other ram but they dont fit for my memory.

TINC
08-19-2006, 12:39 PM
BIOS from AWARD, right ? If yes, then modbin6_1.00.38.
http://tinc.narod.ru/bios/modbin6_1.00.38.zip
It work correctly only under DOS.

Sleepy Samurai
08-19-2006, 04:11 PM
A quick question, What kind of amps/watts/current can a fan header handle on the motherboard?

I went through my manual, the web site and did not find the answer. I was told on another forum to expect 0.5A max.

Xiled
08-20-2006, 03:02 AM
BIOS from AWARD, right ? If yes, then modbin6_1.00.38.
http://tinc.narod.ru/bios/modbin6_1.00.38.zip
It work correctly only under DOS.

Thanks man! It works finnaly :toast:

ZL1Killa
08-25-2006, 02:38 PM
where are the pictures of the vcore mod(s) for this motherboard? as i remember they were up here and now i have finally gotten around to doing the mod(s) and they are not here

schumifer
08-28-2006, 01:02 PM
Question for those in the know, Im in the need of 2gigs of mem, im wondering whats a good pair of sticks for my Neo2, i have a Opty 144 that can easily run 2.8 stable so ill be doing some oc'ing. im looking to spend 2-250us$,

Also, how will 2gigs run on this board/ should i expect problems? THX for any help...:toast:

I have tried uccc but for some reason my msi did not like them, and with kigston it was even worse. So for 2X1gb i would suggest a pair of supertalents. With 2.8 they easily did 240 3-3-3 with the rest of the timings quite tight. They like the extra voltage so i am waiting for summer to go by so that i can mod my 3.3 and up the vmem to 3 and see what happens.
144 here also @2950@1.55

Console
08-30-2006, 01:01 PM
I cant get mine to post using the 10x multi when i try 10x280 with out first booting @ 10x160 any ideas on Y ?

ShawnTRD
08-31-2006, 03:50 PM
What has happened to Sideeffect and all his great work? Wasn't there a 1.C3 Final Modded BIOS made?

wiz
09-01-2006, 05:17 AM
http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html

sideeffect
09-01-2006, 03:19 PM
Yes or here

NEO2 BIOS (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/)

or

NEO2 Bios (http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios/?dir=./sideeffect)

ShawnTRD
09-05-2006, 04:24 PM
Ok now the sites working. Thanks

Was it down for some reason?

ShawnTRD
09-05-2006, 04:27 PM
Anyone had a problem with this motherboards GigaLAN not working? I've tried everything I can think of. I even reformatted XP. The network device shows that it's working, but it's not receiving any data.

MaRtIe
09-05-2006, 04:43 PM
i did, one of them wont work for me, it has 2, one works and one doesnt, but it will work for a LAN connection.

use the realtek one, it works with DHCP

ShawnTRD
09-05-2006, 04:49 PM
i did, one of them wont work for me, it has 2, one works and one doesnt, but it will work for a LAN connection.

use the realtek one, it works with DHCP


Yeah the bottom one (realtek) works I was just thinking that maybe I did something wrong.

Console
09-05-2006, 05:12 PM
links to vmods for thsi board ?

ShawnTRD
09-05-2006, 05:58 PM
There was some but I think the sites are shutting down.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=339051

ShawnTRD
09-05-2006, 06:09 PM
Going to try this:

Component:
Integrated nVidia LAN

Links: Problems with LAN
K8n Neo .. lan died

Problem pops up:
Suddenly.

Problem description:
The nVidia NIC is working just well, then, suddenly, there is no LAN traffic, the network link exists but you get no responses to pings and there is no internet, you don't have a IP. There are no enumerated LAN devices.

Possible cause:
The O.S(XP) turned OFF the NIC interface to save power.

Possible work around:
Remove the motherboard stand by power. Shut down O.S.. and remove AC from PSU by two/three minutes.
After this, disable the save power option in NIC device configuration for this device.
Thanks to Syar for Solution

ShawnTRD
09-06-2006, 03:23 AM
:brick: didn't work

ShawnTRD
09-10-2006, 02:25 PM
Yes or here

NEO2 BIOS (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/)

or

NEO2 Bios (http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios/?dir=./sideeffect)

Hey sideeffect,
Thanks for links. I wanted to know if you knew anything about the my new RAM and the advanced timing settings for it. It's Corsair Twin2048-3500LLPRO that uses Infneon -5 64M X 8 Rev B chips. I have trouble getting it to overclock as I see everyone else doing. Would you be able to make a BIOS that has more of the memory timing options?

Read/Write Queue Bypass
Idle Cycle Limit
DQS Skew Control

And any others that you can.

Do you have any info on how to use the BIOS editing software you posted on you site?

Thanks for you time.
Shawn

stalker170
09-11-2006, 09:17 AM
hi guys, i have a question: in order to make to work ddr booster the servants who the local power supply distributes the tension of the -5V? i have the hiper 580W.....

sorry for my bad english i'm italian

ridczak
09-13-2006, 04:50 AM
hi guys, i have a question: in order to make to work ddr booster the servants who the local power supply distributes the tension of the -5V? i have the hiper 580W.....

sorry for my bad english i'm italian

You only neeed -5V (usually white cable in ATX plug) to actually see the V value on a display.
The Booster WORKS without -5V but you cannot see how much volts it's feeding. However, if you use a multimeter to measure it you can live without -5V rail.

Losphoron
09-15-2006, 09:47 AM
ShawnTRD
Can you post some benchmark scores with your system..Thx

ShawnTRD
09-15-2006, 06:29 PM
ShawnTRD
Can you post some benchmark scores with your system..Thx

yup

flenser
09-17-2006, 04:01 AM
A follow-up to my usb bsod at shutdown/reboot - I think it was caused by a USB camera that I connect through a powered USB hub. I have no idea how a usb device that appears to be functioning properly could possibly cause a BSOD, but the problems disappeared after I unplugged the usb camera.

Strangely, this never happened before I upgraded from a 3700 to an x2 4400. That was the only change I made, swapping out the cpu, installing the 2 AMD cpu drivers, and the MS dual core hotfix.

deton8
09-28-2006, 02:22 PM
Has anyone else noticed vcore swing upwards on load with this board?

In BIOS I have it set to 1.275 x 5%, which gets me 1.36 there (as well as with Speedfan and Everest) but when I run sp2004 or anything cpu intensive vcore creeps up to 1.4v :confused: Temps are 30ish idle, around 50 on load.

I only ask because I'm 24h dual sp2004 stable at current settings but can't seem to get stable higher, and I'm wondering if the voltage from the board or PSU is too flaky for the cpu...

Thanks in advance for any help! :)

Console
09-28-2006, 02:26 PM
well i run @ 1.45x10% and it only shows as 1.55-1.57 in cpuz

msimax
09-29-2006, 02:37 AM
hey whats up sideeffect i see u still doing excellent work for the board

deton8
09-29-2006, 10:59 AM
well i run @ 1.45x10% and it only shows as 1.55-1.57 in cpuz

Yeah, I don't really get the math on how vcore is computed. Does it stay around 1.55-1.57 at idle and load?

DuceGT
10-05-2006, 03:05 PM
those are the same settings i use and i get the same output

S!1v3rB@cK_Dk
10-09-2006, 12:36 PM
Hey guys..

Can anyone tell me which bios for this board is the best when overclocking an X2 3800+ Manchester? I have tried 1.C official and 1.C Final Beta with very bad results.. Only 2.15GHz overclock no matter what voltage! When using 1.D2 I was able to get 2.4GHz with standard voltage - Hurray! But im not satisfied, as it takes 1.47v just to get 2.5GHz stable. I think thats quite a big increase from 1.35-1.47v just to get 100MHz more!
So which bios will help me get more MHz or doesn's it have anything to do with the bios at all!?

TMM
10-10-2006, 06:05 AM
1.8 and 1.C3 beta get max FSB. As for CPU clock vs. Voltage every bios will get exactly the same (assuming you're not FSB limited)... i'd just put it down to a lemon of a CPU in that case.

and about 0.1v per 100mhz sounds about right... lots of Athlon64s scale poorly with voltage.

And don't worry too much about vCore fluctuations, my CPUs barely clock any better (10-15mhz tops) in my Ultra-D then my Neo2, and my Ultra-D is VERY good (does not fluctuate at all, period.)

charlie
10-10-2006, 11:34 PM
it absolutely amazes me that afterall these years and 172 pages this thread still sees action! This was the ONLY board to have for several months...

S!1v3rB@cK_Dk
10-11-2006, 10:35 AM
it absolutely amazes me that afterall these years and 172 pages this thread still sees action! This was the ONLY board to have for several months...

Yeah, I like the board, and after all it seems im not the only one :D I still think its the best s939 AGP board! :rolleyes:

Darkenreaper57
10-11-2006, 10:50 PM
I'm still using this board :).

ArmyGreen11
10-13-2006, 06:56 AM
I need some help. I am trying to setup RAID0 with two new identical WDC WD2500KS Drives. Western Digital 250gb 16mb 7200 drives.

Now I have gone though all the steps listed on the MSI forum and tried a number of different things. No matter what windows will not detect the drives in RAID0. At the install level or in the OS the HDD are not found.

I have configured the BIOS to enable RAID and SATA. I have used SATA3/4 and jumpered then for 150 (tried 300 as well). I configured the drives in the tool (F10 at boot) and removed all other drives to eliminate conflicts. WD's tool can not find them either.

When they are taken out of RAID, they appear fine.


I have the same drives and the same problems. Have you found a fix? On SATA 3/4 I can load the drivers in the XP SP2 install (latest from MSI), format, and copy files over, but as soon as it reboots, I get a windows error screen saying I have a hardware problem (boot path, cabling...) and I'm done. When I'm using SATA 3/4 in the boot path selection in the bios, under the hard drive list, it shows the stripe AND the two drives seperately. If I use SATA 1/2, I only see the stripe, and during install, I get all the way to where it's going to load windows for the first time, and it just reboots after showing the XP screen for a few seconds. I've tried the bios that came with the board, 1.C, and currently 1.Dmod.

I've been thinking about getting a PCI SATA-II RAID controller, but I'm afraid that the PCI bus will be a big bottleneck. Am I wrong in thinking that? I was thinking about either a Promise card, or a HighPoint RocketRAID.

Last night I just forgot about the RAID for now, and installed Vista RC1 on one of the drives (back on SATA 3/4) and had no problems. I couldn't beleive that Vista found ALL the drivers (except my X800SE). Impressive.

Special_K
10-13-2006, 11:25 AM
I have the same drives and the same problems. Have you found a fix? On SATA 3/4 I can load the drivers in the XP SP2 install (latest from MSI), format, and copy files over, but as soon as it reboots, I get a windows error screen saying I have a hardware problem (boot path, cabling...) and I'm done. When I'm using SATA 3/4 in the boot path selection in the bios, under the hard drive list, it shows the stripe AND the two drives seperately. If I use SATA 1/2, I only see the stripe, and during install, I get all the way to where it's going to load windows for the first time, and it just reboots after showing the XP screen for a few seconds. I've tried the bios that came with the board, 1.C, and currently 1.Dmod.

I've been thinking about getting a PCI SATA-II RAID controller, but I'm afraid that the PCI bus will be a big bottleneck. Am I wrong in thinking that? I was thinking about either a Promise card, or a HighPoint RocketRAID.

Last night I just forgot about the RAID for now, and installed Vista RC1 on one of the drives (back on SATA 3/4) and had no problems. I couldn't beleive that Vista found ALL the drivers (except my X800SE). Impressive.

had the same problem with 2x250GB HDD's in RAID so replaced them with 2x40GB HDD's and had no problems :shrug:

as usual, after going through the headache of getting it to work, somebody made a post about this issue, and they suggested removing all IDE drives (even your CD/DVD) and it would load off the RAID array - they then reinstalled all IDE drives and had no problems afterwards :shrug:

ArmyGreen11
10-13-2006, 12:38 PM
Hrm... might have to try that... Thanks.

ROcHE
10-15-2006, 08:03 AM
Is it impossible at all to run 3 memory sticks at the same time on this board?

Reefa_Madness
10-15-2006, 12:32 PM
According to the manual (page 2-8) you should not run three modules "or it may cause some failure"...whatever that means. Never tried it.

ZL1Killa
10-30-2006, 09:15 AM
guys idk a lot about all of this. but my computer works fine when it is booted. memory ocz bh-5 running at 250mhz @3.6v memory, v core at 1.47v . timings on memory at 3-3-3-8 . the computer works fine when it is running and plays games, completely stable. then i turn it off for the night. go to turn it on the next day it won't send a signal to the monitor, nothing happens. hard drive light comes on, cd drives spool, just like normal boot, i can even hear the hard drives spool. but nothing happens on the screen

later that day after leaving it off, i can decide to turn it on later and it will boot fine and go into windows like nothing happend

TiTaNiUm
11-01-2006, 04:00 PM
I get the same monitor problem, Ive tried everything i could think of, nothing helped. Im using X800pro, tried many drivers, also tried many chipset drivers, ive just grown to live with it ( i never turn my comp off for more than a cleaning)..lol i just unplug th monitor till it searches for signal, then plug it in hot...Samsung 173V monitor....id also like a resolve.:D

Console
11-02-2006, 08:38 AM
Mine does the same thing , once im up in the 270-280 htt range if i power off then i need to clear cmos and resest every thing . It is a pin if some one find a fix plz post it

Dyaxler
11-04-2006, 02:05 AM
Hey guys... I have somewhat of a problem. I can't seem to break this 237MHz barrier on my Motherboard. No matter what I do I can't up it any. I've cranked down the CPU clock, HT is set to 3x, and I've even tried to use a divider on my ram to keep them from getting in the way of pushing up my FSB. I think my problem lies in the fact that these motherboards dont allow you to up the chipset voltage, but hey, I'm just a n00b so what do I know? I thought if I could ONLY increase the CPU Multi higher then x12 then I could possibly get a better overclock. But, it would seem that my CPU is locked at x11 or less. :( So am I screwed or what? Temps are super cool, idle is 29c and underload I've never seen it higher then 35c after about 7 hours of Prime95. Any tips or tricks would be appreciated. Hey, look on the bright side... check out that 1M Super PI time. Not too shabby for only a 400Mhz overclock on the CPU. :) I was browsing some other threads and noticed that some of the other San Diego's were getting around 28 seconds.

/cheers

Zeus...
11-04-2006, 08:51 AM
Hey guys... I have somewhat of a problem. I can't seem to break this 237MHz barrier on my Motherboard. No matter what I do I can't up it any. I've cranked down the CPU clock, HT is set to 3x, and I've even tried to use a divider on my ram to keep them from getting in the way of pushing up my FSB. I think my problem lies in the fact that these motherboards dont allow you to up the chipset voltage, but hey, I'm just a n00b so what do I know? I thought if I could ONLY increase the CPU Multi higher then x12 then I could possibly get a better overclock. But, it would seem that my CPU is locked at x11 or less. :( So am I screwed or what? Temps are super cool, idle is 29c and underload I've never seen it higher then 35c after about 7 hours of Prime95. Any tips or tricks would be appreciated. Hey, look on the bright side... check out that 1M Super PI time. Not too shabby for only a 400Mhz overclock on the CPU. :) I was browsing some other threads and noticed that some of the other San Diego's were getting around 28 seconds.

/cheers

your CPU may be maxed out- have u declocked your cpu multipler and up the FSB ?

My MSI neo runs with mem at 250MHz 1:1 so 237 is nothing is your mem up to it?

Dyaxler
11-04-2006, 01:00 PM
your CPU may be maxed out- have u declocked your cpu multipler and up the FSB ?

I'm pretty sure it's not the CPU. Like I said I underclocked my cpu, mem, and HT to 2x and cranked up the FSB. Computer wont even boot until the FSB is brought down to 237, it posts between 237 and 260 but if the FSB is more then 250 it corrupts my windows install. Brand new motherboard, CPU and Memory btw.


My MSI neo runs with mem at 250MHz 1:1 so 237 is nothing is your mem up to it?

Trust me, the memory is upto it. Its the 2gig DDR550 kit from Corsair.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145028

Zeus...
11-05-2006, 03:40 AM
Ask the Ram Guy (http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=128) u may find your anwser there

[XC] 4X4N
11-05-2006, 08:29 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not the CPU. Like I said I underclocked my cpu, mem, and HT to 2x and cranked up the FSB. Computer wont even boot until the FSB is brought down to 237, it posts between 237 and 260 but if the FSB is more then 250 it corrupts my windows install. Brand new motherboard, CPU and Memory btw.


Are you sure it's not the cpu? The board can easily go over 300 fsb. Here is a shot with a 144 opty running d2ol 24/7. I've been running this for months.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2751/neo29x323kn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dyaxler
11-06-2006, 01:51 PM
Are you sure it's not the cpu? The board can easily go over 300 fsb. Here is a shot with a 144 opty running d2ol 24/7. I've been running this for months.

Could be... I know it's not my RAM. I had the same sticks on a CHAINTECH ZNF3-250 Socket 754 with the same memory timings. Memory was running between 260Mhz and 270Mhz. I can't remember specifically what I had the FSB set to on that board. I had a 3200+ overclocked to 2.4Ghz on that board. I can't remember who I told, but I was explaining to someone about trying to find the limitations of certain components and the motherboard did come up in the conversation. I underclocked my CPU, Memory and HT to see how far up I could push the FSB. I was able to get the FSB upto something like the high 260's before it stopped posting.

Then again, I remember reading that if you use SATA ports 1 & 2 it will limit your overclock. I switched them to ports 3 & 4 but then remembered that I have a 200gig SATA drive connected to Port 2. Will my overclock still be limited or does that ONLY apply to RAID 0 configs running on ports 1 & 2?

Hey 4x4, could you tell me what BIOS your using and how you have things set and possibly even a screen shot of your memory timings using A64 Tweaker? I'm just curious because it could possibly be missing something stupidly simple in my memory timings I've overlooked that's limiting my FSB clock.

/cheers