The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

[chester]

u guys got better bords than me.the bettter boards must be nwere like processors i gotta late week with cabyne y versionn 054 .this is a return from new egg but i own 3dmark 03 with it many options i tried em all .ch5 runs the best in here but overall neeed more volts erm or isuk
toook volcano 11 to get temps down.now 34c at load 10 x2.8 48 tops was 55
voltmod gives me 3.0 or 3.1 tops next is 5vmod wtf this board has gotta be the weirdest but fun.

[chester]

i cant get this sukr runn ing with voltmod. i still get 1.9 .it runs better with my old speed preemium than geil pc 4000 ? gimmme a hand running bios 1.b
i do love the options to play with on this board.but i got higher 1 mil pi marks with hight 2 t timings than i do with low timings low titie pulling with this board .ermm please help or i just send back again

[VaCreeper]

:nono:

[boygenius]

Hi Guys, here's my setup
Athlon64 3200
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
2x512 OCZ DDR500 Gold VX
OCZ DDR Booster,

I can boot fine up to 260 HTT 1:1 @ 2.6Ghz. However, I can't seem to make it stable. Tried all combinations possible to no avail. Even at DDR400 I can't seem to find the right combination. Tried using dividers, different timings and voltage combinations. My OCZ Gold VX has been used previously on a DFI ultra-d and was rock solid stable. My proc and board used to have a corsair TCCD and was also stable.

Anyone here who has the same setup as I do and stable. Could you share your settings. Thanks

[magica]

Hi Guys, here's my setup
Athlon64 3200
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
2x512 OCZ DDR500 Gold VX
OCZ DDR Booster,

I can boot fine up to 260 HTT 1:1 @ 2.6Ghz. However, I can't seem to make it stable. Tried all combinations possible to no avail. Even at DDR400 I can't seem to find the right combination. Tried using dividers, different timings and voltage combinations. My OCZ Gold VX has been used previously on a DFI ultra-d and was rock solid stable. My proc and board used to have a corsair TCCD and was also stable.

Anyone here who has the same setup as I do and stable. Could you share your settings. Thanks


Why dont you try some reality

10 x 250 venice 1.45 + 5% will be tring to turn this voltage down some
2 x 512 ocz rev 2 tccd 7 3 3 2.5 2.7 or 2.75
4 x 250 = perfect htt
sideffect bios for tccd

your 100 mhz off stabilty

If you got a 9 multi on your cpu I cant help you cause I dont think its worth going there.

[flenser]

chronodog

There's a post a few pages back about how voltage settings in bios don't reflect actual voltage after 1.8 because of the way they supported the newer cpu cores like san diego and X2. Basically you have to start from 1.4 (or 1.45?) and apply percentages. There was a helpful table or something to show what settings resulted in what actual voltages.

Dunno if that helps, but it might give you a starting point.

[Kingsob]

Hello all. First post here.

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows if the Ocz 2x1gig PC-4000EB 3,3,2,8 set works in this mobo ?

Right now the ram runs in my DFI ultra-d but can't use T1 as it fails Memtest, Test 8, But is stable at T2

Just want to know will this mobo like the ram enuff to run T1

[Lestat]

performance, features, and overall balls, dont downgrade to the MSI keep the Ultra-D its not about the msi ro the ultra-D doing 1T its you overclocking too far.
The msi wont let you get near the stability nor clocking of the ultra-D
As much as i loved my msi i dont miss it one bit, the ultra-d just crushes it in every single way.
if you boot up at stock speeds and you cant do 1T then rma the ram its shot.
UNLESS the ram specifically says its 2T ram.

you need to be giving the ram more volts if you cant run 1T add another .5 onto the ram and see what it does.

what are you clocking the ram at right now anyways.

[Kingsob]

Everything in my system is stock. It's not the ram as it runs fine at T1 in my P4 system

After reading alot of posts on DFI street most people with 2gig of ram are needing to run at T2 to get it stable.

At T1 I can do 97pass's on Memtest with 7failed all in test 8

With 1 stick it pass's 99 runs @ T1 100% both sticks can do this. But to gether it fails T1

[sideeffect]

Hello all. First post here.

Just wanted to ask if anyone knows if the Ocz 2x1gig PC-4000EB 3,3,2,8 set works in this mobo ?

Right now the ram runs in my DFI ultra-d but can't use T1 as it fails Memtest, Test 8, But is stable at T2

Just want to know will this mobo like the ram enuff to run T1

If you have a DFI nforce 4 then surely you have a pci express card and so moving back to AGP isnt really logical. Perhaps try another nforce 4 or even the radeon xpress.

[sinister1st]

Kingsob Im runnng 2 x1 gb sticks 1t ddr500 or more fine. Make sure you have them in the slots closest to cpu and clear cmos. Right now Im doing a little prime heres a shot and still going.

SE hey mate, do you rely on any software for temp reading for our board? Yesterday my temp sensor went ballistic read 110 degrees. Now if it got that hot the cpu would have died right? Im worried Im going to get a spike in vcore and kill my cpu. This only happen when priming and right now my temps are reading real low.

Cpu z will jump from 1.5 to almost 1.6 sometimes also only when priming. I just dont know what to trust anymore. The BIOS vcore shoud be the ONLY ONE to trust right?/and all software readings for our board are false? The cpu temp in bios is not supposed to be accurate for alot of people but I think mine is fine? Sometimes I think the sensors read right with software but under stress they fold.

260X10 is prime stable with 1.5v, on to 2.7 prime. Will try 2.5-3-2-5 or 7 @246x11. 2.7 on air is the limit for me on this board/cpu and for alot of NF4 users:)

[Kingsob]

My full system specs are

AMD x2 4400+
OCZ5002048EBPE-K (OCZ Platinum EB PC4000 2GB Kit 3,3,2,8)
Asus 6800GT 256mb AGP (OC 400/1200)
DFI NF3 Ultra-D (Bios 7/11) Tryed 8/24 but still no good.
Audgiy 2 ZS


What about the chipset fan on these ? My DFI one died in 2 weeks. Also what's the best bios for a X2 ?

If the Bios doesn't support the X2 can I still use the the CPU to then flash or will the computer just not boot up at all ?

[sinister1st]

It should boot up showing only one core untill you flash to the latest bios supporting X2. If you have a dfi Nf3 board this is the neo2 thread so you will probably find more help in another thread.

Nice ram I was going to get some but I couldnt find it anywhere. :toast: The chipset fan on these are ok you might want to take it off and put some AS5 on it.

[Kingsob]

No No my friend is selling me his MSI. Got a nice deal on it. Was just asking if anyone has this ram and can do T1. If it can't then I may just leave the board out untill I get another CPU. But if I can use the ram at T1 I'll change over

[noxidjkram]

When i try to put Core Centre on my motherboard it gives an error message of 'Your Motherboard does not support Core Centre'

Its an OEM motherboard manufactured by eveshamvale (reported by CPU-Z).

Cheers,

M

[boygenius]

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[Draxx]

No No my friend is selling me his MSI. Got a nice deal on it. Was just asking if anyone has this ram and can do T1. If it can't then I may just leave the board out untill I get another CPU. But if I can use the ram at T1 I'll change over

Your RAM will work fine at 1T with the MSI, as I'm sure your aware the BIOS on the DFI NF3 sucks and cause loads of problems, such as 1T cannot be selected.

I suggest you test it first, but I'm sure it will work fine.

[Draxx]

When i try to put Core Centre on my motherboard it gives an error message of 'Your Motherboard does not support Core Centre'

Its an OEM motherboard manufactured by eveshamvale (reported by CPU-Z).

Cheers,

M

Just flash the latest MSI Neo2 BIOS on or one of Sideeffects BIOS's.

[Elvas]

i wonder i mr. sideeffect could give me a little help :D

I'm using the notemp version of 1c3 cuz my 3000+ is under a mach2 gt

the problem is that I cant do high 1:1 fsb..

I have 350HTT stable! but I cant boot 3-4-4-8 1T 1:1 with mems...

another thing I've noticed is that A64 tweaker strats random settings so I cant define special ones for my 4800LA 2 * 512..

could anyone give me a little help?
sideeffect, will you release any bios version like tccd notemp? :)

[Nossie]

i wonder i mr. sideeffect could give me a little help :D

I'm using the notemp version of 1c3 cuz my 3000+ is under a mach2 gt

the problem is that I cant do high 1:1 fsb..

I have 350HTT stable! but I cant boot 3-4-4-8 1T 1:1 with mems...

another thing I've noticed is that A64 tweaker strats random settings so I cant define special ones for my 4800LA 2 * 512..

could anyone give me a little help?
sideeffect, will you release any bios version like tccd notemp? :)

there is no memory that can do 350mhz 1:1 ddr1 :|

max only +-320mhz with the best TCCD sticks.

and with the a64tweaker, with me it helps to refresh the program a couple of times when it shows wrong values

[TMM]

chipset fan is fine but gets very noisy after a while, but still functions fine.

[noxidjkram]

Just flash the latest MSI Neo2 BIOS on or one of Sideeffects BIOS's.

Hi - i've got the latest MSI BIOS on - needed it to get my x2 processor recognised.

Any other ideas?

Cheers,

M

[noxidjkram]

Anyone know if the ZM-NB47J will be good enough to passively cool my NB chipset?

I have no airflow in my case due to no fans (i'm watercooling). My PSU is a fanless Antec Phantom (which puts a bit of heat into the case).

Cheers,

M

[brechtvm]

does someone know whether this board supports opteron144 cpu's when you still have the first bios revision ?

second question :
will a ZM-NB47J cooler, cool my NB better than the stock chipset cooler ?

[Elvas]

I didn't want to have a 350HTT mem on my board.. I just wanted them to work @ 300mhz just like gskill anounces..

[ridikolous]

is there something wrong with my opty... just last friday i was idleing at 33c... then i finally put my mobo in my case now... i reapplied some as5 now im idleing at 40-43c at stock speed... is there anything i can do... im on watercooling. room temp is same since last friday.. i even reseated the water block like 5 times

[chester]

yes first bios 1a recognizes 144.Then do the update to 1.b on msi sight.Wish they would allow modded bios over internet,as the other bios meathods look scary.eg
do not flash using floppy
do not flash using" "
do not flash using" "

scares me id rather hotflash

[ChronoDog]

chronodog

There's a post a few pages back about how voltage settings in bios don't reflect actual voltage after 1.8 because of the way they supported the newer cpu cores like san diego and X2. Basically you have to start from 1.4 (or 1.45?) and apply percentages. There was a helpful table or something to show what settings resulted in what actual voltages.

Dunno if that helps, but it might give you a starting point.
Thanks for the info, though what I meant was the NF3 chipset voltage, is it different in various BIOS revisions? It's weird that the board can barely pass 300 with most BIOSes, yet 1.8 lets it go over 350...:confused:

[TMM]

yes first bios 1a recognizes 144.Then do the update to 1.b on msi sight.Wish they would allow modded bios over internet,as the other bios meathods look scary.eg
do not flash using floppy
do not flash using" "
do not flash using" "

scares me id rather hotflash
lol it's all a load of crap. I've flashed my Neo2 20+ times with a floppy :fact:

[chester]

Just going by what i read on msi sight.I save a couple to c drive like they said,then i was lost with there directions.Can u just post an abc 123 how u do it please.THX
BRECHTVM i use a vantech cooler on my northbridge.Less than 1/16 clearance
.Its tight there.
optron 146 275x10 at 3-htt
funky geil pc 4000 at 275x166 divider
6800LE 420core 805 mem 12,6vp used to enable all with last rivatuner?

[sideeffect]

Thanks for the info, though what I meant was the NF3 chipset voltage, is it different in various BIOS revisions? It's weird that the board can barely pass 300 with most BIOSes, yet 1.8 lets it go over 350...:confused:

Its not the voltage. The motherboard voltage is controlled with hardware the bios = software. There is nothing linked to the voltage rail in order to change it with software so its not that.

[Gascogne]

Can the Msi K8N Neo 2 Platinum handle 4 x 512Mb at 1T?

Corsair XMS pc3200 512mb x 4 (but 2 is v 1.1 and the other 2 is v 5.1).

[Lestat]

nope
maybe if you dont overclock but 4x double sided 512meg sticks ? nope

[Gascogne]

Manage to get them running at 2-3-2-5 2T 200Mhz, it was best I could get them running at.

Is it decent for corsair xms pc3200 512Mb x 4 on msi k8n neo2 platinum?

[TMM]

seems about right. what CPU do you have?

[Gascogne]

seems about right. what CPU do you have?

Amd Athlon 64 3500+ Newcastle.

[brechtvm]

hello guys..

i have a opteron 144 (E4 rev)
and
msi neo2 platinum (bios rev1.1 (stock bios))

i can't boot...
and i don't geet beep codes..

someone said i had to update my bios (with a nc/cwh/venice cpu)

are there other people who had the same problem ?:confused:

[chester]

Try resetting the cmos jumper.I had same prob.No boot til i reset jumper.Thought it was strange.Myboard was a refurb,so i thought it was dead.The bios i started with was 1.a though

[TMM]

hmm.. it should work. iirc all Neo2 bioses support 90nm?, or am i mistaken. My opty works with 1.3, so unless theres 90nm support in 1.3 but not 1.1, then the problem may be elsewhere. Have you tryed different ram? reset cmos?

[brechtvm]

hmm.. it should work. iirc all Neo2 bioses support 90nm?, or am i mistaken. My opty works with 1.3, so unless theres 90nm support in 1.3 but not 1.1, then the problem may be elsewhere. Have you tryed different ram? reset cmos?

i tried different ram..
i tried resetting the cmos..

nothing worked...

strange thing : i don't get a beep code...
when i remove the ram, i do hear a beep..
so the beeper works :s

opteron cpu's aren't mentioned in the 'cpu support' list :
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=607&NAME=MS-7025&kind=1

[chester]

Stupid question but,are u using old HD?Try booting with windows in cd.Most common thing ive done is forget a plug somewhere.Oh i hadda switch my cd and hd cables too.Hope u get drivers with yours mine was just board no cables emr i got a few extra.I was luky the cable guy left a usb network thing,and i got onto internet

[TMM]

what do you get on the leds on the d-braket when you have the ram installed?. If its all red, then you need to update your bios to support 90nm cpus, or your opty is DOA.

[brechtvm]

what do you get on the leds on the d-braket when you have the ram installed?. If its all red, then you need to update your bios to support 90nm cpus, or your opty is DOA.
whats a d-bracket ? :confused: :rolleyes:

if my cpu would be DOA... Shouldn't I hear a beep code ?

d-bracket of msi neo2 platinum :
http://www.tjuh.nl/william/dbracket.jpg

but i didn't have it ?!
i bought it second hand,
and it's new (rma)

[TMM]

If the CPU is dead, nothing happens at all (power on, fans spin, no beeps)

[brechtvm]

If the CPU is dead, nothing happens at all (power on, fans spin, no beeps)
yes !
cpu fan spins..
ram led's are working...
wlan-leds are working...
so the cpu can't be DOA ?


Stupid question but,are u using old HD?Try booting with windows in cd.Most common thing ive done is forget a plug somewhere.Oh i hadda switch my cd and hd cables too.Hope u get drivers with yours mine was just board no cables emr i got a few extra.I was luky the cable guy left a usb network thing,and i got onto internet

i tried booting with a "ATA 133 seagate barracuda 7200rpm"

switch cables ?
HDD = IDE1
cd = IDE2
?

[pepelepe]

Dear all,

I appreciate if somebody answers my crazy question:
I have a 3200+ venice processor installed on msi k8n neo2 plat. Whatever I did up to now, I could not boot the system up over 270mhz fsb with 10x multiplier (Vcore increase does not help either). I have tried almost everything such as switching between various bios versions (official and modded ones) and all sets of combinations regarding cell menu settings,HTTx, ram timings etc.

I've even switched my processor with another 3200+ venice, but the results are almost similar. Is there any known bug limiting Neo2 Plat. to run over a certain frequency/speed or is this typical for all nf3 based motherboards? When I lower the cpu multiplier, it lets me to set higher fsb naturally, but anyway I hit a wall around 2700mhz. And this 2700 ghz is to boot up only, the system is totally unstable at that speed that prime95 reports error in first 20 seconds.

I'm not an extreme oc expert but I 've sufficient knowledge concerning how to alter/set critical parameters in Bios. I don't also think it is a Ram issue. I browse through various forums and hear that people reaches crazy values of 300,320,330 and even 350mhz fsb with 3000+, 3200+ processors. (For sure u need good cooling to reach 300+) The thing is my cpu does not exceed 41degreesC(bios reading) even if I push the Vcore around 1,75v by using bios 1.36b.

Configuration:
K8N Neo2 Platinum
amd 3200+ venice ADA3200DAA4BP E3 Stepping lbble0537
psu: ocz powerstream 600adjsli
ram: 2x512 Gskill Extreme F1-4800DSU2-1GBFF (ddr600)
ocz ddrbooster
cooling:Zalman CNPS9500 air cooling
sapphire radeon 9800pro@9800xt bios modded
Platform: winxp pro sp2

Is this a cpu problem or mobo or nature of nf3? Windows oriented issue maybe? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance..

[sideeffect]

Sounds like cpu limit. Some 3200+ cpus will clock well but most will fall between 2.5ghz and 2.7 ghz. Even my 3700 san diego only clock to 2750mhz on air.

The Neo 2 wont run as high 1:1 as nforce 4 will either. A lot of people with good venice overclocks have tried many cpus as well they buy them and sell them on if it doesnt clock so well and keep going till they get a good clocker.

[brechtvm]

i thought some chipsets couldn't go higher than 270-280mhz...

read the beginning of this thread to find out more

[brechtvm]

i tried my mobo with a different cpu...

still the same problem...(fan spings, no boot)

but when i remove the ram, and try to boot WITHOUT ram,
i hear a beep...

> so the bios can't be corrupt ? right ?

[flenser]

Breech, It could be bad memory or one of those cases where the default bios settings don't work with a particular type of memory. So you have to find some other memory type, change the defaults from "auto" to specific settings that ought to work, and then re-try with the memory you want to use.

Pepelepe, it sounds like you've found the max speed of your cpu. Congratulations. Now you can tweak everything else for max performance.

[chester]

brechtvm.Too bad your still having probs,but i still think u have cables or power configured incorrect.You know that ide1 is furthest away from cpu,and u have to set ur jumpers on hd cd-master-slave.HD goes to IDE1 it's black not blue .I also think when u reset cmos u have to turn off computer.Then turn power supply back on.Not computer just power to motherboad.No fans spinning here ur not trying to post,just not unplugged.then reset ur cmos.If u don't use IDE theres a post in here bout where sata goes .Humor me please and check these easy things.Also try just 1 stick mem in dimm one closest to cpu.My board was refurb.No cables-No driver-no d bracket just-board.I think they forget to reset jumper when they test or repair them.

[brechtvm]

the problem can't be the ram ..
i tested
*twinmoss ram (512mb)
*corsair xms ram (512mb)
*MDT ram (value) (512mb)
*GEIL ram (256mb)

and always the same black screen..
when i removed a memory stick, i heard a funky beep ;)

i think like this :

because i hear a beep code, the bios checksum can't be corrupt..

so the problem should be something else..

right ?

[xxbiker]

Try another powersupply
90% of all problems whith getting the neo 2 started is becuse of the powersupply
xxbiker

[brechtvm]

Try another powersupply
90% of all problems whith getting the neo 2 started is becuse of the powersupply
xxbiker
I tried my zalman 400W APS
and a no name 420W power supply

[sideeffect]

Try a new bios chip or hotflash the old one. :stick:

[brechtvm]

Try a new bios chip or hotflash the old one. :stick:
i guess i will RMA the motherboard,
that will be the easiest way ;)
sunday, i have a A8V-Deluxe..
temporary motherboard with a Stable HTT of 300mhz ;)

[Kingsob]

Are there any problems with the nVidia 5.11 drivers for the neo2 ?

My DFI nf3 crashs windows when I play with lan settings

[Draxx]

Just install the NF4 6.66 drivers (or latest ones) with the GART driver from the beta NF3 6.37's from www.guru3d.com

[Losphoron]

Happy new Year to all and long live neo2 platinium..LOL
The board is discontinued but here more and more ppl with this board apear very nice...I made a BIG change in my Rig and bought a new Connect3d x850pro VIVO and i hoped i can unlock it to a full PE but is not and replaced the Gecube 9550XT extreme edition (that crashes like hell) ...grrr
Now all work very good

[arnemetis]

hey everyone, bump to keep this great thread alive :) so i now have a swiftech apex extreme kit with a mcw55 block on my 6800gt. even with load temps in the low to mid 30's, i still cant get this damn memory controller to work at much over 240mhz :confused: currently using 1.8 mod with 1t fix by NFM and am wondering what currently is the best bios to use with a san diego 3700+ and some g.skill pc4400 tccd? even if i can manage to get 260mhz out of this 275mhz ram, it will be better than the 200mhz land im in now :( thanks a lot for the suggestions (btw cpu seems prime stable up to 2.81ghz)

[TMM]

@ pepelepe: try bios 1.8. all other bioses won't boot over 270-280~, but with any 1.8 bios i can boot all the way to 340htt 100% stable :toast:

@ arnemetis: Sounds like the mobo limit or CPU :/. On the 1.8 1T fix with my Opty i can get my memory to 270mhz 1:1 no problems. I can't say thats the limit though, as my ram is only rated for 250, heh. Try booting to windows @ 240, and tweaking some timings in A64 tweaker. Then see if you can get it up to speed with clockgen.
This may be helpful to some extent:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57317

[ChronoDog]

For the question about 4 memory sticks on the Neo2, it doesn't depend as much on the mobo, as it does on the CPU's memory controller. I managed to run 4 sticks of TCCD 512MB on my Venice @ 200mhz 2-3-2-10 2T, yet my old Winny wouldn't run them at ANY timings at all.

As for the best drivers, then for me the award goes to this neat package:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1271

Completely stable overall, and no crashes/BSODs, pretty fast too :)

[arnemetis]

seems like cpu limit :( maybe ill try to pick up an pty at some point, i knew this cpu's mem controller was bunk, was really hoping a new bios had been released based on the new version that helped it out. my old 3200+ cbbid winchester could do 281mhz on the ram. downside to having onchip memory controller. maybe ill try to save up for a 165 :slobber:

[sodaboy581]

Well, I have one of these boards, got it sometime last year. About to use it now.

I'm a bit new to overclocking, really.

Going to stick a AMD Athlon X2 4200+ in it and attempt an overclock.

My case's cooling is all air cooling. 1 Panaflo 120mm quiet high airflow fan in the front for in-take, 1 Panaflo 120mm quiet high airflow fan in the back for exhaust, and 1 Panaflo 92mm quiet high airflow fan on the side for intake as well.

The processor is going to have an XP-90C heatsink on it, AS5 compound use inbetween. On top of the XP-90C is going to be another Panaflo 92mm quiet high airflow fan for cooling as well.

What I wondered, really, is if anyone has any experience overclocking a 4200+? What were some of the highest speeds you achieved?

Also, what do the 5 numbers mean in some of these peoples' results? Like for example 2-3-2-10-2T ?

Any tips about overclocking on this motherboard are appreciated as well.

So far I've nabbed down:

- Use SATA 3 and 4 when connecting hard drives.
- Sometimes, you may achieve better results using a lower multiplier but higher FSB.
- Sometimes, you may achieve better results by running memory at 200mhz as opposed to 400mhz. (I have DDR400 RAM)
- Sometimes, increasing CPU voltage can help.
- Disable Cool 'n Quiet
- Disable Fast Writes
- Use memory slots 1 & 2, the ones closest to the CPU.
- Disable aggressive timings.

Well, any input is appreciated!

Edit: Another thing I'd like to add is, I have Crucial DDR400 RAM as well. 2 single side PC3200 sticks. (512MB, DDR, 400, CL3 CT6464Z40B.8TC MT8VDDT6464AG-40C1 PC3200U-30331-A1) If there is a database I can look up that has optimal timings or what these RAM can time at when tweaked, that'd be cool too.

[a_pint_of_milk]

I have a problem with hard drive performance on this computer. My new computer takes AGES to load games such as cs:source and bf2. My old computer done it in literally half the time. My new rig is as follows:

Amd Athlon64 3200+ (OC'd to 2400Mhz)
Akasa Evo-33 Cooler
MSI K8N Neo2 (1.B Bios)
1Gb Corsair XMS3200C2PT (2-3-2-7) (OC'd)
Windows XP Pro SP2
Galaxy Geforce 6800GT OC
160GB Maxtor DiamondMax9 SATA (System is on here in SATA port 3)
160Gb Maxtor IDE (used for storing mp3s etc)
Xaser-III Tower

My old computer used the same tower, same hard-drives (although obviously reformatted before installing for the new system), same video card. The differences were it had a pentium 4 2.6c with 1gb of ram (2x256 OCZ PC4000 gold & 2x256 Geil PC4400 Ultra). That PC was overclocked to about 3200Mhz.

As I say, my old system would load these games in literally half the time. Hard drive performance has been bad ever since I got the new motherboard, ram and processor. It was bad as soon as the system was put together and is bad now (even after defrags). I am currently using the nforce3 5.11 chipset drivers.

Does anyone have a clue why the system drive would be running slowly?

[Zeus...]

Hi guys

Gone to the 'Asus' side with my main rig but set up my MSI K8N neo2 for my son - and having a bit off a problem getting it to boot - and it was working fine last time it was used?

it boots then I get-
Quote
keyboard error or no keyboard present
keyboard is locked out - unlock the key
CMOS checksum error -defaults loaded
Unquote

and there it hangs
cleared CMOS - same
pressed DEl to enter Bios - no go!
changed CPU same

I havent come across this one B4 any thoughts

TIA

[wrewing73]

Has anybody used the Arctic Cooling 64 Pro with this board?

[pepelepe]

@ TMM : Thank you for the idea. Presently, I use bios 1.36 by NFM which u can set maximum Vcore. Anyway, now I intend to flash my bios to a derivative of version 1.8.
Here
http://www.msi.sploitz.com/
and here
http://www.lejabeach.com/MSIK8N/k8nneo2.html
you may find many versions of official, beta and modded bios. Would you recommend a particular version of bios 1.8 (the official version for example) or all of 'em do the same?

Thanks again in advance.

[sodaboy581]

Well, nobody really answered my questions, but I've figured out the answer myself. Due to my RAM having TCL:3, TCD:3 , TRAS:8, TRP:3, and 2T timing. I've decided Crucial is a horrible RAM to OC with and I'm going Mushkin.

The question I pose for you now is, with my current memory (haven't received the Mushkin's yet), I notice memory voltage can only go up to 2.85V in the BIOS. (Using the latest official 1B BIOS) This might be a problem because the normal operating range of the Mushkins is anywhere between 2.6 and 2.8V, 2.85V as the max in the BIOS provides me with POOR overclocking abilities.

Is there a MSI BIOS that both supports the X2 processors and also lets me set a memory voltage higher than this?

Please, let me know!

[xxbiker]

Well, nobody really answered my questions, but I've figured out the answer myself. Due to my RAM having TCL:3, TCD:3 , TRAS:8, TRP:3, and 2T timing. I've decided Crucial is a horrible RAM to OC with and I'm going Mushkin.

The question I pose for you now is, with my current memory (haven't received the Mushkin's yet), I notice memory voltage can only go up to 2.85V in the BIOS. (Using the latest official 1B BIOS) This might be a problem because the normal operating range of the Mushkins is anywhere between 2.6 and 2.8V, 2.85V as the max in the BIOS provides me with POOR overclocking abilities.

Is there a MSI BIOS that both supports the X2 processors and also lets me set a memory voltage higher than this?

Please, let me know!
NO 2.85 is max voltage :(

[Draxx]

Use a OCZ DDR Booster ;)

[Losphoron]

Has anybody used the Arctic Cooling 64 Pro with this board?


I have 64 Ultra TCL model...Is the best cooler i ever used and it silence my CPU heat very very well..I even overclocked my CPU from 1.8Ghz to 2.4Ghz only on air and i will push even further...I am very very happy with it and it's ONLY 15$ ... ATI Silencer here i come...

[AeroSquid]

Hi guys

Gone to the 'Asus' side with my main rig but set up my MSI K8N neo2 for my son - and having a bit off a problem getting it to boot - and it was working fine last time it was used?

it boots then I get-
Quote
keyboard error or no keyboard present
keyboard is locked out - unlock the key
CMOS checksum error -defaults loaded
Unquote

and there it hangs
cleared CMOS - same
pressed DEl to enter Bios - no go!
changed CPU same

I havent come across this one B4 any thoughts

TIA

have you tried using a ps2 kb? how about a usb one? clear cmos and remove the battery for 15 minutes or so and double check all your power cables.

[Zeus...]

have you tried using a ps2 kb? how about a usb one? clear cmos and remove the battery for 15 minutes or so and double check all your power cables.

Thanks for the reply

yes dung out my old PS2 keyboard same on USB one removed battery (even shorted the battery terminals to discharge the power -NO go

disconnect all cables (even took out the usb/1394 ones and sata ones) Cleared CMOS same - just hangs asking to press F1 or Del to enter bios but pressing the keys does nothing.

[sodaboy581]

Okay, I guess my last question... I also notice CPU voltage can only go up to 1.550 in the BIOS. Although, if you select over VID 10.0% it goes up to about 1.7V. Is this also the maximum voltage you can get out of CPU? Or are there other BIOSes that can go higher?

I'm eyeing the v1.A4 MOD BIOS by Sideeffect that says "known to have no cold boot issue and better CPU voltage". Just wondering if anyone's played with that one and know how high it can go.

I'm thinking that BIOS should probably properly support the X2 CPUs too, right? Well, let me know, thanks!

[Losphoron]

soda..I have 1.550v + 10% and is 1.64v .. no more in the normal way..U can voltmod the board physically ...

[sodaboy581]

Ah, okay. Hmm, here's another question. I thought the last one was my last, but now I have another. The modded BIOSes, they all seem to remove the dividers above 200mhz, why? No one likes to run their RAM at DDR speeds? If you're a gamer, low frequency RAM isn't really that great.

[Zeus...]

Ah, okay. Hmm, here's another question. I thought the last one was my last, but now I have another. The modded BIOSes, they all seem to remove the dividers above 200mhz, why? No one likes to run their RAM at DDR speeds? If you're a gamer, low frequency RAM isn't really that great.

set it at 200MHz and it will run 1:1

[ZorK]

Hi!I have a NEO2 Platinum and i upg to 1b from sideeffect.The problem is that sometimes when i try to enter bios it freezes with black image and a cursor blinking at right corner top.If i reset still nothing.To get it work i have to turn of my comp from the psu and than it works...but it works only the first time.if i forget to press del and my system boots then i have to turn off psu again and so on..sometimes it works ok.

[sodaboy581]

To Zork:

Try clearing your CMOS RAM. Sounds like a setting in it is unstable.


set it at 200MHz and it will run 1:1

Oh, you see, I was under the wrong impression then, I guess. I thought you had to the memory speed in MHZ for you to go 1:1 on a processor.

Like, for example, even though I have DDR400 RAM, I thought like.. if my FSB was 233mhz, I had to set my memory divider speed in the BIOS to 233 as well, for it to be 1:1. So you're telling me, I shouldn't even adjust the memory divider speed at all? Only the timings, if necessary?

I thought that some people adjusted their memory MHZ as well. Reading about how some people clock their DDR400 RAM at 433,466, and 500 speed by adjusting MHZ and timings...

If you, or anyone else can, can you clarify this for me?

[Zeus...]

To Zork:

Try clearing your CMOS RAM. Sounds like a setting in it is unstable.



Oh, you see, I was under the wrong impression then, I guess. I thought you had to the memory speed in MHZ for you to go 1:1 on a processor.

Like, for example, even though I have DDR400 RAM, I thought like.. if my FSB was 233mhz, I had to set my memory divider speed in the BIOS to 233 as well, for it to be 1:1. So you're telling me, I shouldn't even adjust the memory divider speed at all? Only the timings, if necessary?

I thought that some people adjusted their memory MHZ as well. Reading about how some people clock their DDR400 RAM at 433,466, and 500 speed by adjusting MHZ and timings...

If you, or anyone else can, can you clarify this for me?


havent adjusted them in on the ne2 for some time but If i remmember correct set the mem to 200 and then adjust the CPU FSB frequency (to say 250 will give u 250MHz FSB 1:1)

setting the mem to less than 200 u will be on a divider

[sodaboy581]

Haha, Zeus, you're the man.

Thanks. I just tried this... I never knew. Works exactly as you say. 200mhz is 1:1 =)

[ZorK]

To Zork:

Try clearing your CMOS RAM. Sounds like a setting in it is unstable.



Meaning what?Reset the CMOS...I tried that with no results

[a_pint_of_milk]

Does anyone have an answer to my previous post?

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1242855&postcount=3853

[sodaboy581]

Does anyone have an answer to my previous post?

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1242855&postcount=3853

I don't have an answer to your post, but I'm not experiencing the problems you are with hard drive speed. Drives are running the same speed as they did on my old motherboard.. so.. =\

After playing around with my overclocking ability of the AMD Athlon X2 4200+ on this motherboard, I'm finding the maximum amount I can seem to overclock it is 245 * 11. Which is about 2695mhz. That's a pretty OK improvement over 2200mhz, which is what it normally runs at. I think that it could do more, though, but you can't put any more voltage into it from the BIOS. (I'm already at 1.550+10.0%) Full load for me runs @ about 42-45C and I've tried lowering the multiplier to 10x, higher FSB, and lower HT Freq, but all I get is a black screen.

You might be saying, well, try to adjust the RAM divider, and I have... still black screen.

I highly doubt the RAM is at fault after adjusting the divider, but I am getting some new RAM on Monday which is alot better for overclocking. (Not because of this problem, I've already had it on order..) So, we shall see.

Still, 2695mhz is a pretty good jump from 2200mhz on a dual core X2. I should be happy and I am. =)

[ShawnTRD]

Need some help with bumping up my CPU speed. I haven't had much luck in finding info by doing searches.:confused: I don't want to max this out. Just give it alittle safe boost.

My setup
MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Processor (San Diego)
2 X 512MB of Corsair CMX512-3200C2PRO (2-3-3-6 1T)
Antec SmartPower 500W
2 X 160GB Maxtor HD on a PCI RAID_0

Thanks:toast:
Shawn

[Zeus...]

Need some help with bumping up my CPU speed. I haven't had much luck in finding info by doing searches.:confused: I don't want to max this out. Just give it alittle safe boost.

My setup
MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Processor (San Diego)
2 X 512MB of Corsair CMX512-3200C2PRO (2-3-3-6 1T)
Antec SmartPower 500W
2 X 160GB Maxtor HD on a PCI RAID_0

Thanks:toast:
Shawn

read this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61939)
and follow the links - its a great thread and the first post covers it all ;)

[sodaboy581]

Need some help with bumping up my CPU speed. I haven't had much luck in finding info by doing searches.:confused: I don't want to max this out. Just give it alittle safe boost.

Here's also a good thread on how to overclock.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=795444

I found it very informative.

[TMM]

Anyone else tryed sinking the mosfets for the vcore? I've just got an 80mm fan over mine and i've seen some healthy gains. voltage is up by about 0.03v and seems to be alot more stable (i used to be able to clock high with more voltage, but it was never 100% stable as the voltage was all over the place). I'm going to heatsink them and see if it will be even more stable :toast:

[brechtvm]

I re-installed (once again my neo2 system)
now WITH d-bracket

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8648/afbeelding002edit8ix.jpg

system setup :
AMD OPTERON 146+ (E4)
1*512mb Corsair XMS LED (TCCD)
no hdd drive (was just for testing purposes)
no cd drive (was just for testing purposes)
ati radeon 7000 (crappy AGP graka)

pffff:confused:

[Xyus89]

hiya,

aah brecht, always having trouble with pc's as usual :rolleyes:

Ontopic: Usb 2.0, can't get this going, any one know a solution?
I've got sp1, installed all the drivers for my mobo so..
it keeps on usb 1.1 .

xyus

[brechtvm]

hiya,

aah brecht, always having trouble with pc's as usual :rolleyes:

Ontopic: Usb 2.0, can't get this going, any one know a solution?
I've got sp1, installed all the drivers for my mobo so..
it keeps on usb 1.1 .

xyus

it's not my fault it won't work..
Asus A8V works fine..but is VIA chipset (brrrr)

btw: your location is belgIUm and nog belgUIM

OT : did you check your bios yet ?
is it enabled ?

[duchu]

Lately I bought 2x512 PC3200 Geil UltraX (TCCD). I know from previous user that these ones can do 300+ Mhz with 2,9V on DFI, but on my NEO2 I can't do anything above 210MHz in dual channel (1T). But when I pull out 1 memory stick (1x512MB Single channel), the other one do 280MHz (1T) with fine timings with 2,85V . I tried 1,36b 1,8 rev3 NFM, some sideefect bioses for TCCD. I also red the guide from 1st page. What can be wrong?

[sodaboy581]

Well, I got some OCZ El Platinum Rev 2 RAM. 2x512MB

I'm able to get pretty high clocks with this, but I can't clock my processor any higher due to the voltage limitation in the BIOS. I find it odd, though, that inside of MSI Core Center, you can pump up the VCore even more than you can in the BIOS. I wonder why they just don't release a BIOS where you can pump up the VCore past 1.70 (1.550+10%) since MSI Core Center can set to 1.85

I don't really want to rely on Windows to finish my overclocking, I'd rather have all my parameters set in the BIOS, so it's kind of an unacceptable solution for me to go higher. Are there any BIOS mods for MSI that go past v1.70 ? (1.550+10%)

Right now, I'm running an AMD Athlon X2 4200+ @ 2550mhz (255x10) with my RAM timings @ 2.5-3-3-7 Very stable and is a decent OC. It'd just be able to go higher if I could set the VCore higher in the BIOS...

[brechtvm]

I re-installed (once again my neo2 system)
now WITH d-bracket

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8648/afbeelding002edit8ix.jpg

system setup :
AMD OPTERON 146+ (E4)
1*512mb Corsair XMS LED (TCCD)
no hdd drive (was just for testing purposes)
no cd drive (was just for testing purposes)
ati radeon 7000 (crappy AGP graka)

pffff:confused:

no-one who knows a solution ?
otherwise, i'll have to RMA this board (this weekend probably)

[paulopais]

I need help.. I have direct die on my msi and a opteron 165 when o put my bh5 memory´s it work´s fine with divisors, when i put the tccd memory don´t work with divisors, make a lote of erros, i use your bios (1c no temps).. :confused:

[Malachia]

sorry guys, do you know if msi k8n supports X2?

[Marvin]

yes, it does;)

[brechtvm]

yes, it does;)
.. but you have to use a new bios..
(not the stock one :s.. the first bios doesn't even recognise venice cores..:()

[Draxx]

Any news on a newer 1.C official BIOS yet chaps?

[paulopais]

no one can help me with the best timmings for the tccd memory with a opteron dual core 165 with the bios 1.C Beta 3 No Temp Edition.. when i put the bh5 memory, the computer work fine, when put the tccd make a lot of erros..

[Zeus...]

no one can help me with the best timmings for the tccd memory with a opteron dual core 165 with the bios 1.C Beta 3 No Temp Edition.. when i put the bh5 memory, the computer work fine, when put the tccd make a lot of erros..

does your TCCD pass memtest86 at STD ? - just sent mine back for RMA

[e-jump]

anyone here succesfull to run 2x1gb sticks beyond ddr500?
i see in the ranks, almost all were on nf4 boards
tried 1c.tccd SE mod bios, also a no go :(

[paulopais]

does your TCCD pass memtest86 at STD ? - just sent mine back for RMA

yeap.. in my dfi expert they do 300 at 2.5-3-3-6

[Losphoron]

anyone here succesfull to run 2x1gb sticks beyond ddr500?
i see in the ranks, almost all were on nf4 boards
tried 1c.tccd SE mod bios, also a no go :(
u should change the video card ..... really..

[e-jump]

u should change the video card ..... really..

ROFL..
thanx for the advice Losphoron..
i'll save some money for x1600pro card in future :)

but i dont think my 9000p is the limitation here :D

[AeroSquid]

hiya,

aah brecht, always having trouble with pc's as usual :rolleyes:

Ontopic: Usb 2.0, can't get this going, any one know a solution?
I've got sp1, installed all the drivers for my mobo so..
it keeps on usb 1.1 .

xyus

update everything. are you not installing SP2 for some reason?

[sodaboy581]

I have a weird question in regards to video cards...

When I have my Radeon 9800 Pro in the machine with the same exact BIOS settings, RAM included, I can do 255x10 ...

If I plug my X850 XT PE in with everything still set the same, I get no display and it doesn't POST. However, lowering the FSB to 250 will get it to post with the X850 XT PE in.

(Yes, I've changed HT Frequency to 3x to be sure..)

.. any ideas?

[Zeus...]

yeap.. in my dfi expert they do 300 at 2.5-3-3-6

well mine would only do 2 2 2 5 at 200MHz but not 2.5 2 2 5 (which is slower) so the kind OCZ folks r RMAing them for me

[Special_K]

anyone here succesfull to run 2x1gb sticks beyond ddr500?
i see in the ranks, almost all were on nf4 boards
tried 1c.tccd SE mod bios, also a no go :(

Ballistix Z503's @ 265 1:1 3-3-3-8 2T Rock Solid BF2 for days on end
266 BSOD at random intervals - pretty sure it's this particular mobo's limit as other RAM with dividers will also crash at anything over 265HTT =/

1T is a complete NO GO even below 200 =[

This is the 3rd set of Ballistix - the previous sets went bad as others have reported - gonna try some 'other' RAM asap

[Krisse]

hiya,

aah brecht, always having trouble with pc's as usual :rolleyes:

Ontopic: Usb 2.0, can't get this going, any one know a solution?
I've got sp1, installed all the drivers for my mobo so..
it keeps on usb 1.1 .

xyus


I use winxp without sp , and I used the win9x drivers on the mb cdrom, and usb2.0 is working fine on my board :)

[trajik78]

no-one who knows a solution ?
otherwise, i'll have to RMA this board (this weekend probably)
i got that when i accidentally plugged my keyboard in the mouse port. i was racking my brain wondering why i wasnt booting, since the only change i had made was putting in my new X800 Pro. I put the keyboard back in the right port and it booted fine.

I feel that i may be missing something while OCing my Neo2. here's my specs, can anyone tell me if this is about right for this setup?

3000+ Venice E3
2x512 g.skill 1GBLE TCCD
X800Pro
Bios 1C (modded for TCCD)

@ 1:1 x4 HTT div
250HTT 1.4 vCORE
2.5-3-3-7

@ 150 mem divider x3 HTT div
270HTT 1.45vCORE
2-2-2-5

[corruption]

I have a weird question in regards to video cards...

When I have my Radeon 9800 Pro in the machine with the same exact BIOS settings, RAM included, I can do 255x10 ...

If I plug my X850 XT PE in with everything still set the same, I get no display and it doesn't POST. However, lowering the FSB to 250 will get it to post with the X850 XT PE in.

(Yes, I've changed HT Frequency to 3x to be sure..)

.. any ideas?


The x850xtpe uses a lot more power than the 9800pro....you could be seeing a limitation in your powersupply. I'd recommend an OCZ 520 if you can dish up the $, otherwise a highpowered single rail sparkle should do. Stay away from dual rail powersupplies if you overclock on this board, the neo2 platinum benefits from a single rail supply.) The OCZ 520W will hit about 618W before it shuts off, but for that you will be pulling about 700W from the wall. ;) It has a 33A 12v rail so that should cover you for a while. Let me know if this helps at all, or if you already have a good powersupply...

[Draxx]

Sideeffect, new 1C0 BIOS, I take it that this is the official 1C BIOS. Can you do your magic on it?

ftp://jerryuser:jerryuser@ftp.msi.com.tw/BIOS/

[e-jump]

lets hope tictac comes up with something too
so we can have more veriety..

:D

[Losphoron]

I have a weird question in regards to video cards...

When I have my Radeon 9800 Pro in the machine with the same exact BIOS settings, RAM included, I can do 255x10 ...

If I plug my X850 XT PE in with everything still set the same, I get no display and it doesn't POST. However, lowering the FSB to 250 will get it to post with the X850 XT PE in.

(Yes, I've changed HT Frequency to 3x to be sure..)

.. any ideas?


i had that problem too with my old gecube 9550XT and al you need is to increased AGP voltage from 1.5 to 1.55 or 1.60...
Now i have an X850pro from connect3d and is booting ok..At 280 the windows is unstable..my settings are

270x9 = 2433mhz efective from 1800mhz
1.550v+10%
DDR333
Htt3
My PSU is a Powermax 400w (pretty cheap one)
from ATi tray tool i put a profile that OC the vga to 560GPU and 600mhz the memory..good luck

[LocutusH]

Hi!

Config:
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat.
3000+ venice E6
2x512 TCCC samsung DDR400
leadtek 6600gt agp
etc.

BIOS version 1.CB sideeffect.

My problem is, that if i set the fsb to default, also 200, the memorys will be driven at 166 Mhz. And i can not set to any other. The memory clock index value is 200 in the bios.
If i set the fsb to 220, the rams are running at 180. Mem clock index value is still 200...

What do i need to set, to run them at 220/220 ? Or how do i change the ratio?

Thx.

[sideeffect]

Thanks for the headsup Draxx.

Ill see whats changed if anything. I doupt Tictac will make a bios as he seems busy with his Abit stuff.

[TiTaNiUm]

Now theres a 1C3 bios listed, any word on the 1C0 and 1C3??

[sideeffect]

I.C3 is the beta that has been out for a while. 1.C0 is the final and came out recently. I will make my mod versions tommorow. Murdok has his versions out for the bios and they have some info there about the bios. http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=21960

Its in German but basically it says the bios is pretty much the same nothing new is added. They think perhaps the vcore is more stable though. So we will see.

[Draxx]

Thats great Sideeffect, Get it modded!

Can you make sure there are any extra options hidden away?

[sideeffect]

1.C Final Mod is out at my site. Nothing new really MSI spent a lot of time doing nothing ? :slap:

Well seems vcore is slightly more stable than 1.C3 beta and perhaps that will allow slightly better overclocks. We will see once its been tested.

[Draxx]

Excellent, I'll flash it on tomorrow :)

[FlyBoyGeo]

Excellent work sideeffect!

Question for everyone, will the Neo2 Plat. support an Opty? Any know problems?

Thanks.

[Draxx]

Opty's work fine.

[wiz]

great bios Sideeffect:)

[theDUD3]

guys i just got a pair of corsair twinx modules from my brother, just wanna ask if these are good for this mobo?

thanks!

[msimax]

hey whatsup sideeffect glad to u still cranking out excellent bios you really helped alot my ? is as i moved on from this board the same mem i use now does 320 im looking at the msi rd480 which is now like 90$ but if i needed as bios mod are u limited to the neo2

[sideeffect]

hey whatsup sideeffect glad to u still cranking out excellent bios you really helped alot my ? is as i moved on from this board the same mem i use now does 320 im looking at the msi rd480 which is now like 90$ but if i needed as bios mod are u limited to the neo2

Yes if its a award bios I can mod it. I cant test it though :eek:

[theDUD3]

great bios sideeffect, thanks a lot! are registered mem modules (corsair twinx) compatible with the k8n neo2 platinum?

[Kingsob]

I'm having problems with my Mobo.

It keeps randomly resetting it's self. Sometimes after post it will reset and sometimes in windows Idling and playing games it will just reset.

No idea why but. I have all lastest drivers and lastest bios

[sideeffect]

Kingsob test your ram with memtest+.

[brechtvm]

problem found :

i need to flash my bios to a newer one
but i need a s939 winchester/newcastle/clawhammer cpu to do this..

my question : does anyone know a 'hack' to flash my bios to a newer one, without needing one of the cpu's mentioned above (i have an opteron 146)

[Draxx]

SE, your site seems to be down :(

[sideeffect]

Yes it has a DNS problem will be back up soon. Hopefully :toast:

In the mean time I set up mirrors.

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Based on 1.C FINAL !
MSI Fixes - Fixed have option rom. Should have also fixed IDE Boot card problem. Improved Vcore stability. Improved USB device compatibility.

Standard Edition (http://www.myatom.net/server/1.CFS.rar)
- All New Menu Layout
- Enabled 183 divider
- Enabled 150 Divider
- More user friendly defaults

Ballistix Edition (http://www.myatom.net/server/1.CFB.rar)
- Max Async = 8
- Read Write Queue bypass = 16
- Bypass max = 7
- Idle Cycle limit = 64
- DQS Skew Mode = slower

TCCD Edition (http://www.myatom.net/server/1.CFT.rar)
- Max Async = 8
- Read Write Queue bypass = 16
- Bypass max = 7
- Idle Cycle limit = 256
- DQS Skew Mode = slower
- Drive Strength weak by default

No Temp with TCCD timings (http://www.myatom.net/server/1.CFTNT.rar)

[e-jump]

owh btw, new core center juz released
so far, no crashing probs....

ahh, juz wish sideEffects bios can help me boost my rams speed..
but in reality, i got a dud kit :(

[ridikolous]

does it fix the wrong temperature readings with opty's? because ive been having this problem with all the older bios... believe i tried everything i can do to make sure i have good heatsink contact.. and i still idle at 40c.

[sideeffect]

Not sure dont have a opty. So far It is more stable for CPU and ram than the 1.C3 beta was. Just a margin better. They have messed around with the voltages a bit. Was having GPU issues and crashing in games until I realised that 1.C hates 1.65 AGP volts. Setting it back to 1.5 volts cured the problem.

Not sure if Ill keep it or go back to 1.C3 yet as I need to test it further. Also working on another bios that im scared to test incase it blows up the house but we will see :stick:

[e-jump]

hi sideeffect
maybe you can do something to the last single core bios? was it 1.7 or 1.8..
maybe its a best ones for single core/old winnie/clawhammer users ;)

[blade148]

hi ya. I just signed up to this great forum !

i thik i need a modded BIOS, maybe Need.for.Mhz 180NFM ?

i have a neo plat 2, 3700+ san diego 250x11. and just brought 2 x 1gb gskill pc4000 HZ ram.

problem is i just can't get these suckers stable at HT250. tried a range of settings and it just don't wanna prime 95, or 3dmark 2001 !

did check out your bios's sideeffect, but know your primary site is down, and don't know which BOIS to d/l from the mirrior ! :(
could some one please point me in the right direction .?
thanks ..

[wiz]

1.C0 = 2640mhz stable best bios So far
1.C3 = 2610mhz stable

winchester 0448 SPAW

[sinister1st]

Thanks SE you are the man. Been waiting for this one. :) 1c official mod.
:)

Remeber guys the neo2 can keep up with nf4. Neo2 = best agp board I have ever owned:toast:

[TMM]

Just flashed to 1.C0 (previously on 1.C3). Have gained 25mhz primeable on the same voltage so far (2800 --> 2825) :)

[magica]

I want to up to the newest sideffect bios for tccd also need instuctions for doing it.

When will your website be back up sideffect? Msi neo platinum 939 sideffect 1b bios for tccd - AMD 3200 Venice 10 x 250 2500 mhz - 1 gb pc3200 Ocz platinum rev 2 tccd @ 500 ddr - 6600 gt video - Epower 470 watt couger

[Kingsob]

Ok I've stopped my system restarting by turning off Cool'n'Quiet.

now I'm having Ram problems. I can't seem to get my ram to run T1.

My Ram is OCZ Pc4000 2gig 3,3,2,8

Right now with no overclocking I can get it stable at 2,3,2,8 T2 If I run T1 it will error on Bend test in prime at the 1 hour mark. With out T1 at T2 it wont error. I've tryed looping Memtest and it's stable after 90 loops of Test 8.

Now there use to happen on my DFI nf3 but I could never get memtest stable. So I'm 1 up on that but still prime gives the error. On my DFI prime failed in 1min and Memtest 8 looped failed after 2 loops.

Im running my mem in the top slots 3,4 I was on Bios 1.B0 now im on the standed sideeffect bios I found on I think it was the page before thisone. It's called 1.CFS

Anyone have a fix for this ? My mem is 100% stable in my old AI7 mobo at T1

[e-jump]

Im running my mem in the top slots 3,4 I was on Bios 1.B0 now im on the standed sideeffect bios I found on I think it was the page before thisone. It's called 1.CFS

tried slot 1&2? [nearest to the cpu]
in my case, slot 1&2 yield better OC than 3&4..

[blade148]

yep, i found slot 1 and 2 more stable.

i don't get blue screens or re starts, BUT i still can't pass prime 95, or 3dmark2001. sideeffect, you have nearly the same rig as me, this is my ram
http://www.gskill.com/f1-4000usu2-2gbhz.htm

and at the bottom is a pic of the ram and A64 tweeker running with the right settings ......
would the 180nfm bios help me ... or should i go for TCCD edition that you've done ?
thing is. i know alittle about CA,RAS etc ... but NO WAY enough to understand a64 tweeker !
could some one please help me, as i want to know weather to RMA my ram or not.

[Neller]

Whitch BIOS is really best fos this mobo? Most stable and higest OC?

THX for answer.

pls link for this BIOS.

ps: I have some old MODD BIOS, but I have problem with my Maxtor HDDs. Now I use latest original BIOS, but I have small OC. THX all.

[TiTaNiUm]

i like this new 1c, i can play Planetside at 2.85..with the beta 1c i could only play at 2.8 without crashing. opteron 144 ftw:)

Thx Sideeffect for your TCCD bios:)

[sideeffect]

1.8 or 1.C are the best bios version Neller. 1.C seems really nice so far.

Kingsob when you say no overclocking do you mean 200 mhz on the ram or do you mean default for the ram which is like 250?

If its at 200 mhz this might sound silly but set it to 250 with HTT multi at 4x and cpu multi set to like 8 or so to keep the cpu in spec. Set ram timings to something like cas = 2.5, trp = 3, trcd = 3, tras = 8, trc = 12, trfc = 18. Leave the other ram settings in bios on default or auto and leave 2T for the moment.

See if that boots. Some newer ram especially ram rated at ddr500 has more problems running at slow speeds (ddr400) than fast speeds (ddr500). And I also use slots 1 and 2 for ram much better for me.

Also is that cas 3 ram? because cas 3 never works very well in nforce 3. You might want to look for the highest overclock in 2.5.

[zenzog]

Does anyone have problems booting with a high HTT on a divider?
I'm using an Opty 165 with some 2x1gb G.SKILL ZX.
My comp will boot at 1:1 @ 260 @ cas3 but will not boot at 166:200 on otherwise the same settings.

This kinda stinks because I only have a 9x mult. :(
Anyone have any advice?

[BUNGL3]

Nice job Side Effect !!
This ram wouldnt run stable with any bios but this one. I tried all your other TCCD versions but this is the one ! :toast: :banana: :woot:

AMD A64 3200+ @ 2.66
MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum
PDP Patriot XBLK PC3200 @ 221Mhz 2-5-3-2
BFG 6800 Ultra
WD Raptor 74Gig

[Neller]

I have this problem with MSI K8N (v7025). When I OCed yesterday I go up to 336FSB (HTT 3x), but this morning I started PC only with 320FSB.
My frien told me, I have COLD start bug.

I want run on 8*336 stable! What I have to do, if I started PC with 336FSB?

[Nossie]

edit: nvm

[Gnarr]

Does anyone have problems booting with a high HTT on a divider?
I'm using an Opty 165 with some 2x1gb G.SKILL ZX.
My comp will boot at 1:1 @ 260 @ cas3 but will not boot at 166:200 on otherwise the same settings.

This kinda stinks because I only have a 9x mult. :(
Anyone have any advice?

wow.. you got almost identical setup to mine ;)

My Winnie 3000+ had a big problem with 133:200 divider.

have you tried 133:200 ?

If you can reach 2.8-3GHz you could try these settings. There's a chance your motherboard will handle it if you up the AGP voltage just a little:

FSB = 310-333
CPU multi = 9
Mem div 133:200 (actually it will be 9:14)
HTT multi = 3

Then you will be running your cpu @ 2790-2997MHz, your memory @ 199-214 MHz Cas 2-3-2-5 and your FSB @ 930-999.

second thoughts..
150:200 div not working either?

[Neller]

Question: what is 183 divider and 150 divider?

I see this setting/word on description MODDED BIOS.

Can you answer me pls?

ps: I used some MODDEd BIOS and try OC-now I am testing CPU on 9*312 with 1,5V+5% (real about 1,52V....CPU-Z)

[Nossie]

Question: what is 183 divider and 150 divider?

I see this setting/word on description MODDED BIOS.


those are memory dividers. so if you use something like 10 * 300HTT = 3000mhz and memory divider @ 150, then your memory will run at 220mhz.

[zenzog]

wow.. you got almost identical setup to mine ;)

My Winnie 3000+ had a big problem with 133:200 divider.

have you tried 133:200 ?

If you can reach 2.8-3GHz you could try these settings. There's a chance your motherboard will handle it if you up the AGP voltage just a little:

FSB = 310-333
CPU multi = 9
Mem div 133:200 (actually it will be 9:14)
HTT multi = 3

Then you will be running your cpu @ 2790-2997MHz, your memory @ 199-214 MHz Cas 2-3-2-5 and your FSB @ 930-999.

second thoughts..
150:200 div not working either?

Thanks for the input.
I have tried 133:200 and I can clock a little bit higher than before, but not past 280HTT. 166:200 gets me to about 230 and 1:1 lets me hit 240 (cas2.5) or 260 (cas3)

I'm wondering what to blame...

I will try the other memory slots I guess... when I get some free time. :)
My AGP voltage is at 1.65 btw.

[zenzog]

Tried the other memory slots.. still can't boot with a 166:200 divider past 230. 150 and 133 also behave similarly.

[blade148]

just to throw a spanner in the works ... but what BIOS are yuo using ...?

[zenzog]

just to throw a spanner in the works ... but what BIOS are yuo using ...?

1.c standard modded by SE

[Neller]

I used BIOS: 1.B Rev2 TCCD Edition by Sideeffect

I run now at 2,8GHz but I have problem with my DDR550 Mushkin TCCD(?)

In revies on WEB this memory run 600+MHz, but my run only about 580. Now I go on 510MHz with better letence.

I have to try next BIOS:-)

[e-jump]

So noone can tell me where i can download the 1.c bios???

u probably missed this post
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1300006&postcount=3923


btw, new 1c bios also a no go
my winnie cant push the rams beyond ddr510 :(
i'll juz stick to ddr500 with 3-4-3-8 1T then :cool:

[Losphoron]

sideefect had a post a page ago that have also the direct links to this bios .. :)
What AGP voltage your recommned for an X850 pro

[Gnarr]

I can't get the 183:200 divider to work on my system :( Ain't the Opty 165 supposed to support 150 and 183 div's ?

[zenzog]

I can't get the 183:200 divider to work on my system :( Ain't the Opty 165 supposed to support 150 and 183 div's ?

I think it's the board that has divider support, not the cpu...
But yeah, those dividers are even more unstable if I try using them. :(

I wonder if one of the other BIOSes would be better.. I just got the opty and flashed 1.c when I popped it in.

[rui]

Hi to all.
I have a MSI K8N Neo2 board that i just bought (AGP card..), and when messing with the core voltage, i can't stick a value to it when going above 1.4. For example, when i choose Core CPU Vid of 1.2 until 1.4, the values stick, with a little flutuation.
But when going above 1.4, the core voltage just keeps at 1.37~1.39.
Only when choosing the percentual values in the bios i can increase the core voltage up to a limit of 1.57~1.6

Is this normal?

Thank you all

[Neller]

In whitch program Can I see BIOS setting? I dont flash BIOS and see setting in A64tweaker. I Want see performance BIOS before Flashing.

[sideeffect]

Hi my sites back up :woot:

For any opteron users with problems theres a bios at the german MSI forums that might help. I havnt tried it but the maker (Xarel) says he has fixed the opteron Temp issue and added better support so maybe worth a go.

MSI german Forum Mod bios section (http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=22011)

[zenzog]

Hi my sites back up :woot:

For any opteron users with problems theres a bios at the german MSI forums that might help. I havnt tried it but the maker (Xarel) says he has fixed the opteron Temp issue and added better support so maybe worth a go.

MSI german Forum Mod bios section (http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=22011)

Thanks, SE!
Hopefully this solves my problem, but I don't think I can be very optimistic. :(

[Gnarr]

Hi my sites back up :woot:

For any opteron users with problems theres a bios at the german MSI forums that might help. I havnt tried it but the maker (Xarel) says he has fixed the opteron Temp issue and added better support so maybe worth a go.

MSI german Forum Mod bios section (http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=22011)

Are the 183 and 150 Dividers added by you guys? or was it added by MSI?

Ain't I right that the cpu has to support the divider in order for it to work?
And if so; does the Opteron 165 have those dividers?

Ps. Your site seemst to be down again :(

[e-jump]

you guys got issues with 183 deviders?
my winnie is fine with it.. [never tested 150 tho]
tested with memtest n superPi.. htt280, ddr504
but still, i prefer 1:1...

[zenzog]

The "HyPeR-XT Bios Ver. 1.1" bios was even more unstable for me as far as dividers go. So, I'm back on SE's modded 1.c standard.
I didn't think to try with 2T timing, so I'm currently experimenting with it!

So far, 280HTT on a 133 divider... hopefully I can keep going!

edit: After crashing again at 285HTT, I FINALLY noticed something. When I was upping the clock in clockgen, my PCI freq went up too! WTF? It looks like the PCI lock doesn't work when I'm using a divider, but it works ok when I'm at 1:1. I'm confused!

edit#2: After playing around with it more, it seems that the 133 divider doesn't cause the PCI clock to change in clockgen. Is there another tool that I can use (that I might already have) to check the PCI freq? If that IS the problem, can I change that in the BIOS? I think SE's mod hides the PCI clock, but... :/

edit#3: Well, even though the PCI clock doesn't change in clockgen, bumping the HTT up even a little bit past 280 (ie: 282) causes my computer to hang instantly

Time to sleep and try again tomorrow.. ;)

[rui]

Hi to all.
I have a MSI K8N Neo2 board that i just bought (AGP card..), and when messing with the core voltage, i can't stick a value to it when going above 1.4. For example, when i choose Core CPU Vid of 1.2 until 1.4, the values stick, with a little flutuation.
But when going above 1.4, the core voltage just keeps at 1.37~1.39.
Only when choosing the percentual values in the bios i can increase the core voltage up to a limit of 1.57~1.6

Is this normal?

Thank you all

I forgot to mention that i have bios 1.C modded by Sideeffect

[e-jump]

I forgot to mention that i have bios 1.C modded by Sideeffect
yes its normal, altho i can choose up to 1.45v + the % overvolt
indeed this mobo suffers voltage fluctuation...
oh well, as long it works while i fix my epox ;)

[rui]

yes its normal, altho i can choose up to 1.45v + the % overvolt
indeed this mobo suffers voltage fluctuation...
oh well, as long it works while i fix my epox ;)

Thanks :)

[Nossie]

@ Sideeffect, do you know on what bios this HyPeR-XT Bios Ver. 1.1 is based ? the new 1.c0 ?

and on the msi ftp, i saw Bios 1.D1 someone tried that one ?

[e-jump]

1.D already?
jeebus.. msi's bios department need to fix lotsa isues n release a good fixed bios, rather than releasing 1 bios for each fixes >__>

[Neller]

I Have big problem with my Mushkin 2x512DDR 550MHz ram (probably TCCD chips). I fried about 8 BIOSes (all these BIOSes are unstable on ma computer. Problem is in Memtest!!!

I am testing on 312HTT(FSB), HT 3x, divider 183=560MHz 2,5-4-4-8 T1,
2,75-2,85V
T tried MODDED Balistix and TCCD BIOSes...

What can I do for stability?

[xxbiker]

Are you sure your cpu can handle so high mem speed mine can only make it to
510 but my mem can do 530
xxbiker

[sideeffect]

Ok I modded 1.D Beta 1.

works fine so far on my rig not sure what has changed. Msi changelog = changed name from 1.C to 1.D beta 1 :p:

So let me know how it goes for any of you that can be bothered to test it. No options have been added so it must be some other tweaks perhaps new cpu identification or tweaked vcore etc.

[e-jump]

i'll try, if it comes with ultra loose tref, mal n rp :D

[sideeffect]

Yes sry e-jump ive been lazy so I stuck with the already compiled settings eg. TCCD/ballistix. If I change the settings I have to compile another version which doesnt take to long. Ill do it this weekend and once its done its easy to add to any future bios as well.

[cooptroop4]

How is every getting this board to run memory up too 250mhz (500) mine won't go past 211mhz, I have corsair pc4000 pro, ran memtest with no errors,
my cpu is operation 148, setting are 250fsb, ht at 4, multiplier set to 11 memory at 183mhz that is the highest I can go. mem setting are 2.85v, timmings are 8,3,3,3 430 true power supple, HELP PLEASE, also using sideefects bios 1c.
thks
coop

[e-jump]

@coop
so u have opteron148 with 11x multi, but u cant run ur rams to ddr500?
is the ram rated ddr500 3-3-3-8?
tried reducing the HT to 3x?
how bout try multi 10x and see if the ram can go ddr500

im having random reboots with 1.c final, so im back with 1.c beta3 bios

---------------

are u using 183:200 devider? seems opty users have this prob
try 200:200 instead

[blade148]

Ok I modded 1.D Beta 1.

works fine so far on my rig not sure what has changed. Msi changelog = changed name from 1.C to 1.D beta 1 :p:

So let me know how it goes for any of you that can be bothered to test it. No options have been added so it must be some other tweaks perhaps new cpu identification or tweaked vcore etc.

have updated my BIOS to your 1.C TCCD ed. and have noticed a big improvement, BUT my system is still unstall @250. ( just blue screens in games normally. and fails tests. BUT NOT mem86 ! )

I'll try 1.D over the weekend, and see what i notice. but don't think i'm quilified to be your No.1 tester ! !

[cooptroop4]

@coop
so u have opteron148 with 11x multi, but u cant run ur rams to ddr500?
is the ram rated ddr500 3-3-3-8?
tried reducing the HT to 3x?
how bout try multi 10x and see if the ram can go ddr500

im having random reboots with 1.c final, so im back with 1.c beta3 bios

---------------

are u using 183:200 devider? seems opty users have this prob
try 200:200 instead
Yep my memory is rated ddr500 with 3,3,3,8. i'll try the 10 in the morning when I get home, haven't tryed that yet. did try the ht @ 3 that didn't work.
thankyou for the idea, I'll post back what I find out.
coop

[Gnarr]

how high is your memory voltage?



my cpu is operation 148

lol :)

[cooptroop4]

2.85 volts, thats is the highest it would go, stock is 2.75
thks
coop

[Gnarr]

SideEffect, Do you always use the same method to implement the 183 and 150 dividers? Is there maybe only one method? Do you know of anyone that cant use "your" 183 div, but can use 183 with some other modded bioses ?

cooptroop4, have you tried to clock to 250MHz with 2.75volts ? Maybe your ram doesn't like this high current.

[Gnarr]

One thing i've noticed on my K8N.

The VCC starts to fluctate pretty heavily when i dual-prime for some time. With 1.C3 SE mod the Vcore became very unstable when the VCC started fluctating.

1.C SE mod Final cured the vcore fluctations alot. I also put heatsinks on all the vcore voltage regulators, and on most of the capacitators near the cpu. VCC became much more stable, but still it sometimes falls like 0.1v, sometimes even more.


I will post screenies both before "1.C and heatsinks" and after when i'm @ home :)

[cooptroop4]

Just tryed it @ 2.75v, ht set too 3, and multi. set too 10, did it different ways, wasn't stable at all, windows would only run for about 1min than it would reboot, also I'm using a sata drive if that helps, its in the 3 slot.
thks
coop

[Special_K]

cooptroop4 - dont use the 183 divider, lots of people say they have trouble with it

[sideeffect]

Hi guys

MSI Fixes in 1.D1 = Added FX60 support :toast:

Think thats all they did.

The 183 and 150 dividers are locked by MSI and so I doupt MSI test them when they test their bioses. Because of that they may have issues with certain cpus ram etc. It wont damage the board or anything but just might prove unstable for some.

However its better to have the option so we can all see for ourselves. On my san diego cpu the 183 works just fine.

[zenzog]

I'm on 1.d now, but it hasn't fixed my divider problem.

However, I sunk so low as to try the 1:2 divider.. Currently at 305x9... lol
Looks like I might have to get a new board? :/

Really wish I could use that 133 or 166 divider...

edit: crashed at 310x9

I'm thinking now...
Crashes at ~310 on the 100/200
Crashes at ~280 on the 133/200
Crashes at ~245 on the 166/200

Testing 150/200 now..
And by crash I mean the computer hangs instantly. :(

[cooptroop4]

the 183 divider gets me the hightest stable speed I can get for the memory.
thks
coop

[paulopais]

sideeffect can you do the no temps edition for tccd?? i have a lots of problems with my opty 165 with the tccd memory...
thkx :D

[Special_K]

I will post screenies both before "1.C and heatsinks" and after when i'm @ home :)

K would love to see what you did and R waiting in anticip...ation for these screenshots =D


2x1Gb Gskill pc4000 HZ @250mhz 3-3-3-8 1T @ 2.7v unstable :confused:

K has never been able to make 2GB of RAM 1T stable @ 250MHz on this mobo =[



*new subject*
Just installed a RAID0 array for the first time, and am pleasantly suprised with the extra boost in speed (BF2 loads SOOOOOOO fast now), BUT, when trying to read the old SATA HDD on port SATA3, it seems to lock up the system =/

Is this normal, or did the new HDD's arrive just in time to replace what was a suspected dieing HDD?

[sinister1st]

I would also like to see those screenies Gnarr :toast:

[e-jump]

oh noes...
se's bios page is downs again..

btw, juz got my ram coolers today..
manage to push the rams to ddr520.. but still cant make it prime stable..
superPi 16M failed the last iteration .. means need more tweakin..

any news of uccc edition? :p

[sideeffect]

oh noes...
se's bios page is downs again..

btw, juz got my ram coolers today..
manage to push the rams to ddr520.. but still cant make it prime stable..
superPi 16M failed the last iteration .. means need more tweakin..

any news of uccc edition? :p

Sites back now. Yes I made a UCC version with settings

- Max Async = 9
- Read Preamble = 5ns
- Read Write Queue bypass = 16
- Bypass max = 7
- Idle Cycle limit = 256
- Tref: = 200MHz 15.6us

Flashed the bios reset and it corrupted my bios after boot. So I hot flashed and shelved that mod for the moment. Its possible that my ram wont run that losely its also possible that nforce 3 has issues with 9ns Max async which I have heard before. Its also possible that the tref setting is messing it up. Going to test it again some time soon. I must admit I didnt clear cmos after flash as I rarely do if its same version bios but I should have done :slapass:

[e-jump]

Flashed the bios reset and it corrupted my bios after boot
...
admit I didnt clear cmos after flash as I rarely do if its same version bios but I should have done
Own'd... :p

btw, is the Tref options in memtest86 correct? default was 7.8us
changed to 15.6us gave more error o__O"
so i guess Tref can be 7.8us [default?]

bout the MAL & RP, probably can try 10, and 7.5..
only MAL & RP cant be changed in memtest86, so maybe this can lead to something :D

oh well, im not sure myself whats limiting me to go 261 in dual channel..
in single stick mode, both pass 265

thanx SE for spending some time for these bioses :D

[Neller]

1.D1 BIOS is unstable with high HHT (FSB).. Berofe I run witch 312FSB now it's unstable witch 310HTT:-( I must try next BIOS:-)

[Vranichou]

First let me apologize if someone posted this recently, but I REALLY didn't feel like reading through 160 (yes, 160!) pages of posts trying to find whether or not it had been posted before.

I recently decided to add another pair of WD 1600JB SATAs to SATA 1 & SATA 2 (same as other pair in sig.) I had read here before somewhere that 1 & 2 did not care to be OC'd so I reduced my clock and RAM to 200x11 and 2-2-5-2 T1 settings. Current BIOS is 1.8 and that's a Winny chip. Voltages are running ~ 3.26, 5.02 and 11.91 in the hardware monitor in the BIOS.... All drivers are the latest from nVidea... I'm running 5.10 rather than 5.11 for the chipset.

To make a long story short, I'm getting BSODs (machine check exception,) random reboots etc...

Any ideas/suggestions from someone who might have seen this before...?

Thanks in advance.

-=V=-

[Special_K]

K nuh running 4x HDD's in RAID0, but have very recently installed 2x HDD's in RAID0 (for OS) + 1xSATA (for storage)

system will randomly lockup for long periods (upto 1 minute) and then resume as if nothing has happened!?!?

have now decided to buy 2 large HDD's (for OS & storage) and put them in RAID0 instead of the above config :shrug:

so, erm, yeah - sorry, can't help but K R in the same boat as you kind of =/

[Bob21]

Is there a certain BIOS that works the best with Bh-5?????????

[sideeffect]

Yes 1.36 is supposed to be the best with BH5. But it has no x2 support.

[Vranichou]

Is there a certain BIOS that works the best with Bh-5?????????

Check the tricks and fixes in message #1

-=V=-

[Bob21]

Check the tricks and fixes in message #1

-=V=-


I've read that plenty of times, I wanted to hear what all the other users were using at this point.

1.36b sometimes gives me problems of hanging at the post screen with two DIMMS being used

I have a NEO2-F btw not the plat, but they seem to act the same I have used both

[Bob21]

the nf3 seems to suck with BH-5 to begin with, anyone have direct experience of using the same Bh-5 sticks in an nf3 vs nf4 and the difference in clocks?

The highest I have been able to make it is 273MHz 2-2-2-6 and the gain in bandwidth is minimal compared to TCCD at 273 2.5-3-3-7, something like 30-50mb/s

[Vranichou]

Hmm.. Seems to me I need a AMD and/or a mobo mfgr engineer...

Anyone out there that fits the bill?

Maybre my buddy from G.Skill can help me out...

Thanks in advance for the response

-=V=-

[sideeffect]

First let me apologize if someone posted this recently, but I REALLY didn't feel like reading through 160 (yes, 160!) pages of posts trying to find whether or not it had been posted before.

I recently decided to add another pair of WD 1600JB SATAs to SATA 1 & SATA 2 (same as other pair in sig.) I had read here before somewhere that 1 & 2 did not care to be OC'd so I reduced my clock and RAM to 200x11 and 2-2-5-2 T1 settings. Current BIOS is 1.8 and that's a Winny chip. Voltages are running ~ 3.26, 5.02 and 11.91 in the hardware monitor in the BIOS.... All drivers are the latest from nVidea... I'm running 5.10 rather than 5.11 for the chipset.

To make a long story short, I'm getting BSODs (machine check exception,) random reboots etc...

Any ideas/suggestions from someone who might have seen this before...?

Thanks in advance.

-=V=-

I would start trying other drivers. Look for the 6.66 nforce 3 remix drivers. They include nforce 4 sata drivers that are newer but seem to work fine.

Also have you fully tested your ram at those timings? Using memtest and prime with and without those drives installed to make sure that the memory is stable first.

I would also consider a pci sata card instead of using ports 1 and 2 because then you can overclock again. They can be bought for next to nothing on ebay or stores like ebuyer or newegg.

[wiz]

try
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1271

[akbnkb]

hey guys, i got this board used about a week ago and im have some trouble over clocking it.I have a 3000+winchester, i can get it to about 2.2 ghz and it will run stable untill it warms up....the stock nb heat sink has been replaced with this tiny thing, and i think that might be the reason why it is locking up.I would post a pic of it if you could tell me how.and is the system temp the temp of the nb? also if it helps any i have 1gb of corsair xms,an asus 9800xt,an sb live 5.1 (only cuz onboard one of my rear spk wont work) and one 74gb raptor.thanks for the help

[Bob21]

hey guys, i got this board used about a week ago and im have some trouble over clocking it.I have a 3000+winchester, i can get it to about 2.2 ghz and it will run stable untill it warms up....the stock nb heat sink has been replaced with this tiny thing, and i think that might be the reason why it is locking up.I would post a pic of it if you could tell me how.and is the system temp the temp of the nb? also if it helps any i have 1gb of corsair xms,an asus 9800xt,an sb live 5.1 (only cuz onboard one of my rear spk wont work) and one 74gb raptor.thanks for the help


If you have the picture on your hard drive, just scroll down when you are on the reply screen and there should be a button that says manage attachments. just click that and find your pic by browsing.

When overclocking make sure you set the HT to 3X, not 4 or 5

[akbnkb]

Thanks for the fast reply,i just took 3 pics....any idea on the my onboard sound? P.S. this is a great thread it has been vary helpful to me thanks everyone:toast:

[Auk]

hey
i've problems with my neo2 and my tccd g.skills :(
i can't work with 280mhz and more. :mad:
280mhz to 285mhz is memtest stabil but in windows superPI or primeblend only works for seconds.:eek:

others have more than 300mhz with the same ram. i use the 1.C final TCCD bios and now the 1.D TCCD
vdimm is 2,7V (more is worse; more errors in memtest)

i'm going to upload an image with a64tweaker and so on.
i hope you can help me


€: pic
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/gallery/data/500/11536XS.JPG

what's wrong?

[DuceGT]

I'm on 1.d now, but it hasn't fixed my divider problem.

However, I sunk so low as to try the 1:2 divider.. Currently at 305x9... lol
Looks like I might have to get a new board? :/

Really wish I could use that 133 or 166 divider...


I'm paired up with a Venice 3000+ (Which I'm currently at 2.7) and KingstonValueRAM PC3200 Rated CAS3 3 3 8 @ 2.6v 200mhz @ CAS2.5 3 3 8 @ 2.7 225mhz. 512x2 in Dual Channel. My 133 divider is also broken!! :slapass: It works fine with stock clocks, but any change will result in not posting or if changing via ClockGen a hard lock. The 150 worked and allowed my from going from 2.5 with the 166 to 2.7 with the 150. (THANK YOU SIDEEFFECT!) I've tried almost every BIOS out there and visisted every thread I could find. Does anyone know what is with these bad dividers?

[gergo]

hi everybody!

this is my system:
msi neo2 pe with 1.37B mod bios
g.skill 1gbgh (utt-bh5)
s939 venice 3000+
ocz ddr booster

i bought my rams 2 weeks ago and yesterday i bought the ocz booster.
the rams are works perfect at 400mhz 1,5-2-2-5 1T only 2,75V
now they works at 433mhz 2-2-2-5 @ 3,1V and no more. :confused:
i tried vdimm up to 3,4-3,5V but nothing more than 433.
many errors in memtest at test8 and the system is not stable.
i would like 500mhz 2-2-2-5 1T.
whats the problem? somebody know the answer?

[sideeffect]

hey
i've problems with my neo2 and my tccd g.skills :(
i can't work with 280mhz and more. :mad:
280mhz to 285mhz is memtest stabil but in windows superPI or primeblend only works for seconds.:eek:

others have more than 300mhz with the same ram. i use the 1.C final TCCD bios and now the 1.D TCCD
vdimm is 2,7V (more is worse; more errors in memtest)

i'm going to upload an image with a64tweaker and so on.
i hope you can help me

what's wrong?

You using Windows Vista? Or is that a vista skin because vista is hardly stable as an OS yet. Drivers are buggy programs are buggy in it.

Also 280mhz is good for a NEO2 if thats 1:1. Hardly any people get higher than that. Its due to limitations of the motherboard. Cant compare it to a Nforce 4 which has much better power stability due to its 24 pin design and the extra power inputs.

On a side note Using windows vista x64 and a64 tweaker corrupted my bios. Just a warning :p:

[blade148]

hey Auk,
i have the same problem, but can't seem to pass a mem86 test @ 250 !

i really don't know why.

can any one help me. ?

[e-jump]

hmm...
as for me, im able to pass memtest at 260
beyond that, ERRORS O__O

but in windows, 260 will make my pC reboot at random , even when idle..
now back to 255, as it seems stable =__= ..
btw, highest vdimm was 2.65v.. beyond this , more errors probably ram overheat

blade, either ur vcore low [mem controller lack juice] or mem controller juz cant handle 2gb well

[Auk]

@sideeffect
that's only a new skin.
i use win xp home edition

yesterday 280mhz and even 285mhz were stabil. but i had to work with 3-4-3-7 :mad:
i want to reach 300mhz or even more. 313 1:1 :D

an other strange thing is that 313mhz @2,7V 3-4-3-7 1:1 2T are memtest stabil for hours but windows can't boot :confused:

[zero3]

@ sideeffect thx for you great bios.. at least i can prime @ 2345MHz for 10 minutes :)) with the 1.B default i couldn't keep it stable not even 2100MHz .. i got a Venice 3000+ NBBWE 0606CPMW.. i think it's also a bad steping.. if anyone can help me online @ irc ori something go #overclocking @ qnet or pm pe plz.. thx

LE : i got it @ 2508Mhz @ default vcore.. same thing it freezes after about 10 minutes if cpu is @ heavy load.. i'm using the 150 divider wich seems to be the best for me.. since my current ram can't pass 440MHz.. what do you guys think this freezing is all about?

[Neller]

I have MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum 54G and Opeteron144. I want to try C'n'Q, but original BIOS doesn't supported this function. Qustion: New or modded BIOSes support this function?


THX Neller

[blade148]

blade, either ur vcore low [mem controller lack juice] or mem controller juz cant handle 2gb well


hi ya and thanks for your input.

adjusted the voltage to 1.525 on "adjust cpu vid " .... i take it that is the setting i should be changing ..? ( the other setting is CPU voltage ... but only goes up in a percentage. ) .....
strangly when i look at cpu z it sayes my voltage is still 1.45 Volts !

put the mem voltage back to 2.65Volts
it mem86 fine, but think i get BSOD, particually when playing games. .. . .
time will tell.

[Auk]

I have MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum 54G and Opeteron144. I want to try C'n'Q, but original BIOS doesn't supported this function. Qustion: New or modded BIOSes support this function?


THX Neller

it won't work
you have to use programms like rmclock or so on

[Neller]

hi ya and thanks for your input.

adjusted the voltage to 1.525 on "adjust cpu vid " .... i take it that is the setting i should be changing ..? ( the other setting is CPU voltage ... but only goes up in a percentage. ) .....
strangly when i look at cpu z it sayes my voltage is still 1.45 Volts !

put the mem voltage back to 2.65Volts
it mem86 fine, but think i get BSOD, particually when playing games. .. . .
time will tell.


I have same problem!

best voltage is little CPu voltage and more percentage. I have 1,45V+5% (real 1,5-1,52V).

[Neller]

I have Gigabyte 3D Aurora case. I have good think. Dou you think I should cool my O144 with Thermalright XP90 as only heatsink? I have three 120mm FAN output. (2xbackside case and 1x in powersuply AKASA). I have good air flow in my case, but my CPU doesn't supports C'n'Q and has 1,5V real Voltage.


What do you think about my passive cooling? Should I try It?

ps: In Prime test I have about 50°C, In normal wokr is temp about 35°C.

[sideeffect]

1.475 - 1.55 is ignored guys by the cpu. Thats due to the newer cpus locked at 1.45 volts. So After you hit 1.45 cpu vid start using the percentages to gain more volts. Maximum is 1.45 + 10 percent which = about 1.63 volts.

[zero3]

Can someone answer to my last post please? What should i do to make it stable pump some vcore? how much for start? thx :(

[e-jump]

did u tried 1.4v + 8% or something
u can only up the vcore till around 1.45v .. then u need to use vid %..
my mobo suffers undervolt around 0.02 and it fluctuates >__>

[xxbiker]

hello i have read alot of folks here have problems with memtest here,stable in dos but failed in windows.That is a problem whith your cpu.The integrated mem contoller on the 64 cpu,s can make it in dos but not in windows.so if youre sure your mem can make it higher try another cpu.Mine can only make 510 mem in windows but it caan make 530 in dos whith memtest 86.
And i don,t think opterons is compatible whith cool and quiet.

[blade148]

hehe wel sorry to have missed your posts in the forums about that silly, anyway seems now to be stable @ 1.5volts. and 250. ..... how much volts can i put through the sandiego +3700 ...? btw i'm still on stock cooling ! .. so won't be expecting alot more out of this til i get a beeter HSF. which air cooler and fan is the best for this mobo, i beleve the ThermalRight SI-120 is very good ( with the fan ) but won't fit on hte board ...???

[blade148]

So noone can tell me where i can download the 1.c bios???
try sideeffect's site again.
it worked just now for me.

http://www.swjka.com/neo2/index.php

[paulopais]

Someone can help me.. please.. it´s possible my bios rom to die??? i try the hot flash but when i try the computer freeze..

[e-jump]

Someone can help me.. please.. it´s possible my bios rom to die??? i try the hot flash but when i try the computer freeze..

not really sure..
but the same thing happened to my epox bios chip when i attemp hotflash
it hang in awardflash after i entered the *.bin file
bios rom chip fried? not sure :(

[cooptroop4]

I bought two sticks of this ram and now I can run 250mhz (500) at 6-3-3-2.5 with no errors on memtest for two hours, I will try to overclock to see how high it will go, also my cpu will go up to 273 * 11 = 3003mhz now, before only 2800, it was a good deal.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Crucial-Ballistix-256MB-PC4000-500MHz-DDR-Memory_W0QQitemZ6856547856QQcategoryZ44937QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem
coop

[cooptroop4]

Anybody get this board too run two sticks of 512 memory and two sticks of 256 at the same time? I notice in the manual it doesn't show two double sided with two single running, when I try too run them all it gives me a error for window that a system 32 is missing, leave just two in and all his fine.
help
thks
coop

[akbnkb]

no i never tried that but i think you would lose performance becuse even if it would run right none of them would run ddr.I think any way.Is the 512 ddr or the 256? even if it was only the 256 you would be better off just running the 2 256

[cooptroop4]

I thought this mobo had two dual channels, but I guees i'm wrong, I have two sticks of 512 pc4000 and two sticks of 256 pc4000.
thks
coop

[zero3]

it does have 2 x dual channel but you still got to have the same type of dimms like 4 x 512 or 4 x 256 .. then would be dual channel..:nono:

[cooptroop4]

Well I just bought two more of those sticks, also my RMA corsair came today and they will not due 500mhz, so now I'm going to sell them on ebay.
thks
coop

[potex]

Im about to upgrade to a MUSHKIN XP Samsung UCCC PC4000 2GB Kit (2x1024Mb) to match up with my X2 4400+. Will this ram run well on the MSI Neo2?

[e-jump]

the highest OC'ed UCCC on neo2 was ddr550
mine memtest stable at ddr520, but cant prime/superpi stable

probably my winnie have crappy mem controller :(

but yeah ,pc4000 2gb's will work at rated speed

[cooptroop4]

I just tryed too run all 4 of the corsair 512mb pc4000 in my mobo and all I get is long beeps, I reset the cmos and it does the same thing, pull two of them out and then it boots just fine, any idea why I can't run four sticks of ram?
thks
coop

[jsnkok]

hi ppl...
i've been using a Neo2 Plat for almost a year now.. and currently have some prob with it. My ram slot 2 had a contact broke off, and i'm now using slots 3 &4.

sys. spec:
Athlon 64 3000+ Winchester LBBID 0509CPJW
2 x 1GB Infineon BE-5 DDR400 Rams
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/985/new14hs.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=new14hs.jpg)
MSI Neo2 Plat BIOS v1.9

settings are: Vcore 1.45v+3.3%
Vdimm = 2.7v
Ram timings = 3-3-2-7 in bios

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6163/2318wc.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2318wc.jpg)

I'll get a hardlock whenever i try 234Mhz or above with the settings above.. any ideas to improve this?

[cooptroop4]

Here is a update on my rig, the only way I can run all four corsair 512 sticks is too choose 2T in ram settings, as for JSN, you need to contact MSI and have that board RMA before the warranty runs out, I just did mine not too long ago its easy, Fill out the online form and MSI will send you a rma number, goodluck. you don't need the recepit. http://www.msicomputer.com/support/CustomerS.asp
One more thing, did you lower your HT to 4 instead of 5

coop

[jsnkok]

well, i've tempered a little with it so i dont think it can be rma'ed?

HT is set to 4... i guess its the weak slot 3 n 4 that hinder me here.

[brechtvm]

:update:
motherboard is returned to the factory..(rma)
the motherboard should bout WITH an opteron cpu...
and mine wouldn't do that...