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RafikR
10-08-2005, 01:04 AM
Hello all,

SE I test and use your Bios from the beagining and I think that it's great job.
But I have some quastion what can be with all bios after 1.6 revision from that version I don't have realistic temp on CPU only with 1.6 I have good temp IDLE 30-32st stres 45 st. On the all new version I have temp in IDLE 48st and stres 62st that is stupid but this is true.
Please explain me that fakt.
And one more quastion do you can hack revison 1.6 and check it's can be possible to unhide divider 183 and 155??

Thanks
Rafał

sideeffect
10-08-2005, 04:06 AM
Hello all,

SE I test and use your Bios from the beagining and I think that it's great job.
But I have some quastion what can be with all bios after 1.6 revision from that version I don't have realistic temp on CPU only with 1.6 I have good temp IDLE 30-32st stres 45 st. On the all new version I have temp in IDLE 48st and stres 62st that is stupid but this is true.
Please explain me that fakt.
And one more quastion do you can hack revison 1.6 and check it's can be possible to unhide divider 183 and 155??

Thanks
Rafał

Hi Rafał the temperatures actually didnt work in the bios versions pre - 1.7. The temperature readings are accurate in 1.7 + to a few degrees. I would be a little worried about the temp you have.

Check that the heatsink is seated correctly and that your not using to much voltage for your cooling.

Mehran
10-08-2005, 05:41 AM
Nope! I was wrong. Not stable under 2700 :(
And SE, I think there is definatly a problem with your bios temp redings. It shows me I'm runnig from 58 to 75!!! IMPOSSIBLE! Why is that?

stw500
10-08-2005, 06:40 AM
I can certify that 1.C3 Ballistic is as stable and fast as 1.B Ballistic.

The new design has turned out well Sideeffect. Keep up the good work!

There's only one thing that disturbs me...

I'm suffering from warmboot-problems!

If I reset oder turn the computer on -> Booting...

If I say WinXP to restart computer or do it out of Windows with Alt+Ctrl+Del (warmboot) -> My screen stays black, monitor led is blinking, no booting...
Only a reset helps, then computer works again well...

Any ideas?

boygenius
10-08-2005, 07:17 AM
Guys has anyone here encountered a problem with the onboard sound of Neo2?

It was working fine on my setup in WinXP. All of a sudden the onboard sound is not working. As per my initial investigation, here's what I got.

1. Speaker is ok. Tried it on another rig.
2. No updates nor new application installed that may cause any software conflicts. My setup has not changed.
3. I'm using SE's 1.A rev2 BIOS. Don't make sense if this is an issue. But just an FYI. The AC97 option in BIOS is always set to AUTO.
4. Device manager in WinXP has no device conflicts. The Realtek AC97 driver seems ok. However, when looking at the Sounds control panel, it says no audio device present.
5. Reinstalled the AC97 driver that came with the mobo. Still no change.
6. I already cleared CMOS. Verified all options are correct. I even set everything to defaults. Still no go.

Anything else, I need to try before trying a clean install of WinXP?

BTW here's my complete rig setup

Athlon 64 3200+ Venice core set oc at 2.2 Ghz(already tried stock speed)
2x512MB OCZ PC3200 Gold Edition @ DDR440 3.2v with OCZ DDR booster
MSI Neo2 Platinum (7025 with SE's 1.A rev2 BIOS)
ATI 9800pro
Logitech X-530 speakers
Enermax 550 watts PSU
TT Bigwater liquid cooling kit.
Active cooling over RAM sticks using a 120mm fan.
WD 200GB SATA-1 HDD

Any feedback will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

stw500
10-08-2005, 07:32 AM
@boygenius

Download the nvidia nforce 6.66 driver package, extract the audio-driver and install them...

much better than the realtek driver...

don't worry, even though it is an nforce 4 driver package it will work perfectly, but it don't have a gart-driver for 3d performance...

boygenius
10-08-2005, 08:11 AM
@stw500,

Thanks, I will certainly try that. However, it still doesn't make sense why all of a sudden the onboard sound quit working after a long time of no hiccups. Just hope it's just an OS/software issue. I don't want to go thru the hassle of RMA again. A day after I bought this board, I sent it back for replacement because of several issues.

sideeffect
10-08-2005, 08:14 AM
Nope! I was wrong. Not stable under 2700 :(
And SE, I think there is definatly a problem with your bios temp redings. It shows me I'm runnig from 58 to 75!!! IMPOSSIBLE! Why is that?

Hmm the second person to mention that. The temperature probe is nothing to do with my modifications. So it must be a temperature bug for some cpus still with the MSI bios.

I think some of you overestimate the extent of my modifications :p: I just change the layout add new logos and enable the dividers and extra memory options. I DONT link temperature sensors or realign cpu multipliers or cripple the HTT :rolleyes:

el rolio
10-08-2005, 10:20 AM
hmm you guys using DDR boosters on this board... what do you do with the ram and heat? active cooling? if so how?

krjalone
10-08-2005, 10:50 AM
Yes, using ddr booster and bh5 combo at 3.3volts. Using 120mm fan to cool ram modules and power suply mosfets.

Nossie
10-08-2005, 11:02 AM
im using ddrbooster @ 3.1v, cooled with a 80*80FAN attached to my IDE and ATX cable with tiewraps :p:

Napoleonic
10-08-2005, 11:40 AM
Then use that bios.

In 1.8 I could run at 300 HT x 10 but i couldnt in the newer bios files. They are not based on the same code. The bios files after 1.9 are re written and are actually based on the NEO 4 bios.

This doesnt make them worse though they are just different. I got a similar overclock just a different way. The extra features make it worth it for me. If you prefered the performance in 1.3-1.5 then use that bios.

unfortunately........ :fact: :p: with the older BIOS my rig is not 100% stable @+- 2500Mhz, with this 1B modded it's 100% stable @2500Mhz

this is :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:
I hate this motherboard :mad: ......or maybe I got 2 stupid processor? I dunno, I'm tired with this, maybe next time if I got a completely new rig :p at this time, considered I'm quite a n00b in ocing, I can say 500Mhz above stock with aircooling and only .5 volt increase is enough

Mehran
10-08-2005, 11:55 AM
I can certify that 1.C3 Ballistic is as stable and fast as 1.B Ballistic.

The new design has turned out well Sideeffect. Keep up the good work!

There's only one thing that disturbs me...

I'm suffering from warmboot-problems!

If I reset oder turn the computer on -> Booting...

If I say WinXP to restart computer or do it out of Windows with Alt+Ctrl+Del (warmboot) -> My screen stays black, monitor led is blinking, no booting...
Only a reset helps, then computer works again well...

Any ideas?

Hell! The same problem that one of my friends had but not with this board.
With an Intel. Changed ram timings, solved the problem.

Mehran
10-08-2005, 12:00 PM
Hmm the second person to mention that. The temperature probe is nothing to do with my modifications. So it must be a temperature bug for some cpus still with the MSI bios.

I think some of you overestimate the extent of my modifications :p: I just change the layout add new logos and enable the dividers and extra memory options. I DONT link temperature sensors or realign cpu multipliers or cripple the HTT :rolleyes:

Maybe my CPU doesn't like u. How ever it shows that I'm runnig at 72-75 Full load.
Too bad. Guess thats a bios bug coz I saw that problem even by using the orignal 1.B and 1.9! :(

sinister1st
10-08-2005, 12:20 PM
Bios 1.b dual SPI X24400 cool 2.7ghtz 11 multi and 10 :cool: now on to bios 1.c. :toast:.

cpu z: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=41377

X2 4400
Xp-90
G skill LE (old version)
PC power & cooling 510 deluxe

VaCreeper
10-08-2005, 01:33 PM
So it's raining like crazy here today and I'm looking for something to do. So I pull two sticks of my OCZ TCCD and figure I'll see what I can do with 1 Gig. :eek:
It won't boot past what was stable for four sticks 235 x 11. As a matter of fact it would not boot into windoze past 225 x 11. I've been :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ing around with this all day. Changing Bios, testing, ect. All I can do now is go back to 4 x 512 :confused:
Could the memory controller on my Sandy be borked?
Not that it's really a big deal as I've been running four sticks almost the whole time I've had this board. Just a puzzelment :stick:

TY :D

Creeper

el rolio
10-08-2005, 04:38 PM
hey thanks for the replies and ideas guys, anyone by chance have pics to show me how it was done?

msimax
10-08-2005, 06:46 PM
on my journey to ddr700

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9193/imga02431ll.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8553/imga02440yn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sideeffect
10-08-2005, 07:42 PM
Heh thats funny :p: Did you have to do any chipset voltage mods msimax?

Your almost up to DDR2 speeds in that pic :cool:

If you find more stable timings in windows for the memory ill make u a custom bios that sets them on bios boot if you want.

Napoleonic
10-09-2005, 03:10 AM
@sideefect

I found that the CPU voltages in your 1B TCCD BIOS can't work higher than 1.45volt, why is that

I can achieve 1.6volt but that can only with 1.45volt + 10%

sideeffect
10-09-2005, 03:19 AM
@sideefect

I found that the CPU voltages in your 1B TCCD BIOS can't work higher than 1.45volt, why is that

I can achieve 1.6volt but that can only with 1.45volt + 10%


Thats the VID lock of the processor. Same for all bios versions. Venice, san diego cores and winchester have max VID of 1.45. Newcastle have max of 1.55 and some x2's have max of 1.375/1.40 :p:

Napoleonic
10-09-2005, 03:36 AM
but it could be enabled (1.5volt and 1.55)in the older BIOS, so it's only for the new BIOS, isn't it?

Mehran
10-09-2005, 03:40 AM
Is being stable in super pi 32M enough?
I'm stable in 32M calculation but not in prime :(

D3kMatrix
10-09-2005, 03:44 AM
but it could be enabled (1.5volt and 1.55)in the older BIOS, so it's only for the new BIOS, isn't it?

No, anything over 1.45v doesn't work in any of the BIOS's.

The only BIOS that can achieve higher then 1.6v without using corecenter is 1.36b which has a working 18% overvolt setting.

sideeffect
10-09-2005, 03:48 AM
Is being stable in super pi 32M enough?
I'm stable in 32M calculation but not in prime :(


Depends what your using pc for. I ussually overclock to the point where it never crashes pc in anything i use. If it crashes anything i will underclock because i hate crashes:P

I dont much care about prime stable though.

D3kMatrix
10-09-2005, 03:57 AM
Is being stable in super pi 32M enough?
I'm stable in 32M calculation but not in prime :(

I find that unless my setup can pass 24 hours of Prime then its useless to me. Any less and games are not stable.

For me, SuperPI is useless for testing stability. At settings which the 32MB test will do fine, I can load up HL2 and it will crash with in a few min :P

But like SE said, if its good for what you do, then rock on. If it doesnt crash while you doing your thing, and windows doesn't go corrupt I'd say your good.

But for me its 24Hours of prime or nothing :P

Not to mention I run a few hours of memtest before I even go into windows :P

Zeus...
10-09-2005, 04:17 AM
I find that unless my setup can pass 24 hours of Prime then its useless to me. Any less and games are not stable.

For me, SuperPI is useless for testing stability. At settings which the 32MB test will do fine, I can load up HL2 and it will crash with in a few min :P

But like SE said, if its good for what you do, then rock on. If it doesnt crash while you doing your thing, and windows doesn't go corrupt I'd say your good.

But for me its 24Hours of prime or nothing :P

Not to mention I run a few hours of memtest before I even go into windows :P

Concur :toast:

syar2003
10-09-2005, 07:06 AM
I need some volentares to help out test/push my latest BIOS revision .
EasyBIOS3 with all options based on 7025NMS.1C3 .

So far i've been running it since yesterday with
250x10x4 183mhz 2-3-3-6 1T
and 246x11x4 2.5-3-3-7 1T
and 237x11x4 2.5-3-3-7 1T .
(also stock settings of course )
Ran OCCT and 3dmark03 and normal computing , had no problems yet .

Perfer someone with a spare BIOS chip ( like I have) or saviour just in case .

More details and pics here :
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=88384.0

mundi
10-09-2005, 11:25 AM
I asked here with which bios will run greatOpteron 144 (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc007950jw.jpg)
and I must answer alone,
I try 1B official and 1B Beta4 by Se
and on both runs good (view signature if you want)

sideeffect
10-09-2005, 11:32 AM
Yes not many people have those chips yet mundi. Even less will have them with a Neo2.

msimax
10-09-2005, 11:54 AM
new best for neo2plat

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1444/oo3ti.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mundi
10-09-2005, 11:57 AM
Yes not many people have those chips yet mundi. Even less will have them with a Neo2.
Yes you right, so now all visitors know that runs oki,
Here in CZ isnot good to get CABNE, I have CABGE, version tray
With CABNE you can go to 2700-2800MHz with default :slobber: 1,36-1,38 real
So if you can find this GO ON !!!!
Here is link for pictures language is Czech but I think that pictures will do.
http://www.svethardware.cz/art_doc-6B438B1C5BEDB403C1257072003E6F56.html

And very imortant is TMaxCase
CABNE have 65
CABGE 57, but can find 55 or 59

Excuse my small OT

mundi
10-09-2005, 12:01 PM
Oh yet link for TMaxCase (http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/Hidden_Stuff/A64MaxTemp.zip)

Mehran
10-09-2005, 12:35 PM
Hell what kind of bios is this Side Effect?!
WHAT DID U DO?!
VERY VERY EXTREMELY NICE!
Now running 2670 and very stable!
Thx for your effort.

Mehran
10-09-2005, 12:43 PM
Depends what your using pc for. I ussually overclock to the point where it never crashes pc in anything i use. If it crashes anything i will underclock because i hate crashes:P

I dont much care about prime stable though.



I find that unless my setup can pass 24 hours of Prime then its useless to me. Any less and games are not stable.

For me, SuperPI is useless for testing stability. At settings which the 32MB test will do fine, I can load up HL2 and it will crash with in a few min :P

But like SE said, if its good for what you do, then rock on. If it doesnt crash while you doing your thing, and windows doesn't go corrupt I'd say your good.

But for me its 24Hours of prime or nothing :P

Not to mention I run a few hours of memtest before I even go into windows :P

Thx to both of you. Mine is the same as side effect. Not prime stable at all but stable in windows. never craches. I really hate when that happens. But now I should run a few heavy games several times to ensure that my computer is stable.
Now running fine at 2670 and sandra says my memory bandwidth is 93%.
The best result I got. What do u all think?
SuperPI 1M : 31s.
And of course with that nice bios modded by SE. ;)

Rbreb13
10-09-2005, 12:45 PM
Which BIOS mod?

msimax
10-09-2005, 01:24 PM
Heh thats funny :p: Did you have to do any chipset voltage mods msimax?

Your almost up to DDR2 speeds in that pic :cool:

If you find more stable timings in windows for the memory ill make u a custom bios that sets them on bios boot if you want.


im getting errors in test 5 no matter what voltage, multi and cpu speed. it always falls between 0.0-0.9mb doesnt matter if i swap sticks . i think its the mem controller and i relaxed timmings to 3-6-6-14 same error range :(

so it looks like changing boards wont help i assume

msimax
10-09-2005, 03:48 PM
test video



http://i1.zvhost.com/1/e/eviu372j.jpg (http://www.zippyvideos.com/2757711281611596/yes/*msimax)

el rolio
10-09-2005, 04:06 PM
vid works mane, what you gonna show us?

ZeroSanity
10-09-2005, 07:35 PM
Can someone quickly explain something for me...?

With the new BIOS revisions that include dual core support there seems to be no AUTO setting for the mem frequency and if i set it to 200 and then raise the htt on the previous BIOS menu then it dosent stay in 1:1 like it used to. Judging by my sandra scores, the only way that i can truly run my system in 1:1 is if i select one of the very limited memclock settings (200,233,250) and then enter the same number in htt on the previos menu.

On the old bios's all you had to do was select auto mem frequeny and then it would scale the ram with the htt in every 1mhz increment or so.

I would just revert back to an older revision but i cannot simply do that as i have an X2. :/

If there's something that i'm missing here i'm real sorry, i only just returned to the OCing scene a few weeks ago hehe.

[edit] I'm using the sideeffect 1b bios.. Would 1c fix this (presuming i'm not just doing something wrong)??

D3kMatrix
10-09-2005, 08:47 PM
200 is the only setting to keep ur ram 1:1 with your HTT setting.

What makes you think your ram is not clocking 1:1? What programs were u using?

sideeffect
10-09-2005, 10:09 PM
Yes the 200 divider will keep you 1:1 with the HTT. The bios doesnt display that though in the new bios's it rarely shows the correct ram speed. In windows its always right though.

Draxx
10-09-2005, 11:39 PM
Ok problem is this, running at 280 x 9 with the 150 divider for 2520Mhz and 210Mhz memory speed. It memtests fine 12+ hours, but in Windows it wont run any 3D app and such like, just crashes out or locks up. I have no idea why! HELP!!

sideeffect
10-10-2005, 12:42 AM
Try the 81.84 nvidia drivers Draxx they seem to be more tolerant of high HTT gaming.

Draxx
10-10-2005, 01:30 AM
Try the 81.84 nvidia drivers Draxx they seem to be more tolerant of high HTT gaming.

Will do, but it turns out that it won't run anything. OCCT, Prime nothing, just crashes or locks up!

Makes no sence as the memory memtests fine, the CPU overclock is fine, put them together and nothing :(

I'm just annoyed that I have to run this BH-6 at 180Mhz for the PC to function correctly.

stw500
10-10-2005, 01:42 AM
@Draxx

Looks like the intern Mem-Controller of the CPU can't handle high overclock...

That would explain why it is possible to run mem or cpu overclocked, but not together...

It's just luck if your mem-controller is good or not...

Draxx
10-10-2005, 01:54 AM
But even if I run the CPU at stock and up the FSB with the memory 1:1 it still can't even managa 205Mhz stabily in Windows. This can't surely be the memory controller as E3 cores are meant to beable to run upto 250Mhz memory are they not?

sideeffect
10-10-2005, 02:21 AM
Yes 205 1:1 shouldnt be a problem at all. What bios are you using ?

Perhaps its a problem with the 9x multiplier in the bios that your running. If your using 1.B try 1.8 and if your using 1.8 try 1.b :)

Also the memory might be running to loose. Post a picture in here of athlon 64 tweaker showing your timings.

If someone else has Bh-6 in here also post your memory timings :slap:

Draxx
10-10-2005, 03:07 AM
Running your 1.B mod ;)

ZeroSanity
10-10-2005, 04:20 AM
Yes the 200 divider will keep you 1:1 with the HTT. The bios doesnt display that though in the new bios's it rarely shows the correct ram speed. In windows its always right though.

That's strange, i seem to recall that my sandra scores at 2t were about 4500/4500 with 200/260 but when i booted at 233/233 i was getting about 5700!

Ill do some more sesting when i get home. Either way this seems realistic because with the 200 divider i can go over 250 fsb and using the 250 divider with 250 fsb i get crashes before it boots into windows.

Ill check in a few hours.. either way clockgen definately dosent scale HTT with ddr speed but i think that i had a good trial & error session without ocing in windows last week.

[edit]
Also, when you mention the correct memory speed not being reported in the bios.. does the same go for the reported DDR speed in the boot menu?

Peace

sideeffect
10-10-2005, 04:28 AM
The 216 233 and 250 dividers dont work. Maybe thats what is confusing you. The dividers that work are 100 133 166 200. If you have a modded bios 150 and 183 will also work.

Use cpu-z to tell you the HTT speed and the memory speed it does it a lot better than a synthetic benchmark will.

so to run 1:1 you set memory divider to 200 then raise the HTT the ram and cpu will scale together. Then if you reach your memory maximum speed before the cpu has hit its limit then you use a divider on the ram.

What I mean about the bios not showing correct readings is. If you set 250HTT 1:1 the bios will show 400 instead of 500.

If you set 183 or 166 divider bios will show 333 if you choose 133 or 150 bios will show 266.

If you set 166 divider but raise the HTT so the memory is really at 200mhz it will still show 333.

Mehran
10-10-2005, 05:07 AM
Which BIOS mod?
The 1.C by SE.

Draxx
10-10-2005, 09:08 AM
Yes 205 1:1 shouldnt be a problem at all. What bios are you using ?

Perhaps its a problem with the 9x multiplier in the bios that your running. If your using 1.B try 1.8 and if your using 1.8 try 1.b :)

Also the memory might be running to loose. Post a picture in here of athlon 64 tweaker showing your timings.

If someone else has Bh-6 in here also post your memory timings :slap:

Ok the working timings at 180Mhz

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/9009/a641804nf.jpg

and the timings at 210Mhz

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6859/a642100qs.jpg

sideeffect
10-10-2005, 09:37 AM
Write to real delay of 1 is very tight set that to 2.

Trc (12) and Trfc (18) is probably to loose for Bh6 try 11 and 15. Try Tras of 7 instead of 10. Set read to write delay to 2. See how that works might give you a few more mhz.

Then if you want to go any higher than that you going to need to drop down to cas 2.5 i think.

See how high you can go at 2.5-2-2-7 or 2.5-2-2-8. With trc 11 and trfc 15.

Then try again at 2.5-2-3-7

Set voltage to 2.85 volts. Put a fan over the memory if you can.

msimax
10-10-2005, 04:16 PM
wonder if i should flirt with this :)

http://www.patriotmem.com/products/groupdetailp.jsp?prodgroupid=45&prodline=1&group=PC5600&catid=1
http://www.patriotmem.com/products/specs/pep2565125600el.pdf

HousERaT
10-10-2005, 08:32 PM
can someone tell me what bios I have to use to get 240fsb 1:1 with 2-2-2-x timings and a DDR Booster? Pick from BH-die, BH-5, CH-die (Redlines). I want to use low latency since my TCCD won't give me high HTT using my Venice. I finally got my RMA board back so it's time to master this board. Tell me how to get this thing stable and what timings/voltage is best. If 240 isn't feasible tell me so I don't waste my time. Right now I'm using the 1A bios. Thanks for any help with this frustrating board.

Napoleonic
10-11-2005, 01:47 AM
what the hell.............I can't believe this, 3 processor, all sooo easily goes to 2500 but nothing can make them goes 2600 and beyond, different BIOS, different voltages, different divider, all different :D

makes me wondering : is my motherboard dislike 2600Mhz and beyond or it just playing a trick with me?
hahahahaha LOL

Losphoron
10-11-2005, 06:12 PM
http://www.geil.com.tw/portal/overclocking.php for ppl that are intersting step by OC guide and more..

phobix
10-11-2005, 08:57 PM
Anyone have the lowdown on the best Bios to use for a Neo2 / Manchester X2 combo? I just bought the CPU and should be receiving it in a couple of days. I have a winnie and I am looking to do a drop in place upgrade with the X2, I need lots of voltage 1.5-1.6 since I am phase change cooled :D

sideeffect
10-12-2005, 05:34 AM
Because its a x2 you cant use the 1.36 bios which is the only bios with +18 percent voltage.

So you will be limited to about 1.65 volts in bios. A further 0.1 volts can be got in windows though. I would flash the 1.B bios for the x2 your getting its a good all round bios.

From testing with my san diego and vapochill above 1.65 didnt really help anyway.

S!1v3rB@cK_Dk
10-12-2005, 07:19 AM
Hey Sideeffect, I just tried ur 1B rev2 TCCD optimiced bios, but it was very bad in overall fsb gain compared to the 1.41b or 1.6 official. I easily get 270fsb 2.5-3-3-7 with those two, but I cant even boot at 265Fsb 2.5-3-3-7 with ur TCCD optimised one.. Have I missed something? I thought that I would gain better results with ur bios mod?

Losphoron
10-12-2005, 08:34 AM
S!1v3rb: Sideefect didn't modify how the bios work or something like this..he released the bios to just simplify the end user bios configuration nothing more...The core of the bios wasn't modified so the bios is like the oficial one...He don't have the rights to made k8n neo2 bioses like he want.

sideeffect
10-12-2005, 08:57 AM
Yep as Losphoron said.

My bios might/will help people compared to a default 1.B bios. cant really compare it to a 1.41 or 1.8 bios because they are different. The older bios files did seem to go to higher HTT over all. However a lot of peoples boards will still go to high HTT with the new bios.

Mne will still go up and over 300 HTT. Depends on what multiplier you use.

Thing is that the 1.B has more options and better support for cpus. So its worth using it over the earlier bios files as long as you dont have to lose to much overclock.

If you have a winchester cpu or newcastle then stick to the earlier bios's imo.

FlyingHamster
10-12-2005, 09:13 AM
hey sideeffect, I am currently using the v1.B Rev2 with my 3500 winchester and GSkill TCCD. its a great bios, one of the very few that likes my TCCD and winnie. but my ethernet tends to drop a lot with this bios. wut other bios do u recommend??

sideeffect
10-12-2005, 09:39 AM
Maybe you should just try different ethernet drivers. The nforce 4 packs work for ethernet with the neo 2. It just doesnt update the vga.

Zeppelin
10-12-2005, 10:04 AM
Has anybody tried a pair of GSkill PC4000 HZ 2 x 1GB on the Neo2?
Getting instability all the way, even at stock.
Which is the best BIOS for theses babes?

[]

Mehran
10-12-2005, 10:05 AM
Final results are:
CPU 2650 @ 1.6v.
RAM : 220 @ 2.70v
How bad I couldn't use 0.5 multies to get my RAM run at DDR500! :(
I HATE THIS MOBO. SIMPLY (BANANASSS!!!)!
I wish I had a DFI... .

Zeppelin
10-12-2005, 11:50 AM
Has anybody tried a pair of GSkill PC4000 HZ 2 x 1GB on the Neo2?
Getting instability all the way, even at stock.
Which is the best BIOS for theses babes?

[]

I've managed to get this rig going with the 2nd rev of the modded 1B BIOS.
Have to check two more versions... ;)

[]

Losphoron
10-12-2005, 11:51 AM
I want to buy some Geil Value (no money for the expensive ones)..
http://www.geil.com.tw/portal/product_400_t_b.php

please tell me your opinion about them and if it's worth to switch my Kingmax 512mb DDR400 to those..I read a review and it says that it reach 250fsb on many systems in 1:1 configuration...

HousERaT
10-12-2005, 11:56 AM
Hey sideeffect, I finally found some ram that works in this sorry board. Would you suggest the 1B Billistix bios for UTT ram? My system liked the 1A bios but the cycle limit didn't like 16. Switched it in windows to 256 and all was good.

stw500
10-12-2005, 01:01 PM
I want to buy some Geil Value (no money for the expensive ones)..
http://www.geil.com.tw/portal/product_400_t_b.php

please tell me your opinion about them and if it's worth to switch my Kingmax 512mb DDR400 to those..I read a review and it says that it reach 250fsb on many systems in 1:1 configuration...

I had the GEIL Value PC3200 for just one day and brought them back.

They were only able to run at 215Mhz instead of stock 200...divider has been 166...

My MDT were cheaper and make 230 without problems...

phobix
10-12-2005, 03:09 PM
Thanks for the input sideeffect. :toast:

I will report the results back here once I have the CPU in place. I am hoping the memory controller on the new CPU is better since my memory overclock has been somewhat dismal with the current 3000+ winnie despite having OCZ rev 2 TCCDs.

JaCk0
10-12-2005, 03:23 PM
I have some coolboot problems with a.B4. I can't boot my pc with oc (240x10 DDR480, etc), this oc is stable and only have problems with 1.A4b bios. Have 1.B final rev2 the same problem?


regards.

Aleister
10-12-2005, 03:29 PM
I did not see any recent posts about this, so here goes.

I am about to buy 2 gigs (2x1024) of OCZ. For those of you who have used this, which kind would be best for OC in your opinion? :)

menlatin
10-12-2005, 04:39 PM
dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

D3kMatrix
10-12-2005, 04:42 PM
dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

lol, its probably your CPU not the neo2 limiting your OC to such low HTT.
Mine does 312HTT :P

Most peoples can break 290 easy

phobix
10-12-2005, 06:29 PM
@Side-effect

Just flashed to your modded 1B rev2 TCCD bios and it is a no go for me :(

It get's past post indicating that CMOS values have changes, press F1 to continue, F10 for CMOS setup no problem but it freezes on NVRAID.

Here it what I tried:

Unplugged all PCI peripherals, reset CMOS,disconnected all IDE peripherals, removed 1 stick DDR and Left 1 stick closet to CPU (OCZ TCCD rev 2 plats) but it still freezes on NVRAID.

THe only thing left for me to try is an old stick of 256mb DDR I have lying around in place of the OCZ. If this doesn't work out I am going to have to hotflash the bios back to 1.36b in my Bro's board (Thankfully he has the same board).

But these Bios update woes are putting a damper on my X2 upgrade. If I can't get the bios upgraded beyond 1.36b then I won't be able to go X2 :(

phobix
10-12-2005, 07:03 PM
I think the driving strength is a little sketchy on the modded bios. Thankfully I got the system to boot windows with my old stick of Winbond CH-5 installed in place of the TCCDs and used winflash to reflash back to 1.36b despite the fact I could not get into CMOS setup, it would hang if I would attempt to do so.

In short the system WOULD not boot with TCCDs in dual or single channel mode. I am going to take extra precautions from now on when I flash and flash with the winbond stick in place and then switch to the TCCDs for testing.

msimax
10-12-2005, 07:09 PM
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8835/20io.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

well at least i know my board isnt holding me back

i think its either my x2 mem controller or ram, my ram does 610 at 2t but at 1t it does only 280-285 on a good day

what u think sideeffect :confused:

sideeffect
10-13-2005, 03:46 AM
I would just stick with the 1T mode and run 1:1. 285x10. Would save voltage on the cpu and so would be cooler. Fast enough in my opinion :D

You have a very good dual core cpu there with both cores hitting 3ghz. My core also hits 3ghz at 1.65 volts but i run at 2750 on 1.5 volts 24/7.

phobix
10-13-2005, 03:56 AM
Maybe this is buried somewhere in this thread...But my problem seems to be related to when flashing from a bios lower than 1.8 you must:

1) Clear CMOS
2) Program bootblock

use the following switches:

awfl833d.exe w7030nms.180 /py /sn /wb /cc /cd /cp /f /e

Obviously this reveals that MSI has ommited something in their new bios releases and this is in no way shape or form a reflection of sideeffects bios mods.

sideeffect
10-13-2005, 05:13 AM
I think its because they added something.

The AGESACPU.939

That controls the dual core cpus and is only present in bios version after 1.8. Winflash still handles the bios correctly and as long as you shutdown after flash and CLEAR CMOS. There is never any problem. The problem comes because most people got used to just using quick clear cmos that winflash does which isnt a proper clear cmos it still keeps data.

With 1.36 to 1.8 you could just flash and restart and there would be no problem because its more of less the same bios. The 1.9 - 1.C is not the same bios.

Personally i flash then turn pc off let all power drain from board by removing power lead then clear cmos with the jumper. Then restart pc.

Zeppelin
10-13-2005, 06:02 AM
Hi, Sideeffect...
I'm having some trouble stabilizing my pair of GSkill HZ PC 4000 2 x 1GB over 255 FSB.
This same pair is doing about 275 @ DFI NF4.
Is there anything to be done with a new BIOS.
Can you help in anyway?

Tks
[]

Aleister
10-13-2005, 06:50 AM
dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

Like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227219

el rolio
10-13-2005, 12:31 PM
hmm, im about to install one of these opteron's everyone loves... should i use one of these newer bioses you think? on my winnie i was gettin best results with hte 1.8mod3

stw500
10-13-2005, 01:22 PM
hmm, im about to install one of these opteron's everyone loves... should i use one of these newer bioses you think? on my winnie i was gettin best results with hte 1.8mod3

Well the opterons are new cpus, so the best supporting bios will be a newer one. The 1.8mod versions are mainly made for the winchester and the same old cpus.

Losphoron
10-13-2005, 04:26 PM
noone knows about Geils Values (with blue heat spreaders) and this board how works?

phobix
10-13-2005, 05:40 PM
I think its because they added something.

The AGESACPU.939

That controls the dual core cpus and is only present in bios version after 1.8. Winflash still handles the bios correctly and as long as you shutdown after flash and CLEAR CMOS. There is never any problem. The problem comes because most people got used to just using quick clear cmos that winflash does which isnt a proper clear cmos it still keeps data.

With 1.36 to 1.8 you could just flash and restart and there would be no problem because its more of less the same bios. The 1.9 - 1.C is not the same bios.

Personally i flash then turn pc off let all power drain from board by removing power lead then clear cmos with the jumper. Then restart pc.

Tried absolutely everything following all of the proper flash procedures and COULD NOT get into CMOS setup for any bios Higher than 1.8. I honestly don't know what gives...But I don't have the flexibility of turning off and on 50 times a second since I am running with a prommy (Restart delay)... I gave up for the time being, cancelled the X2 cpu order and flashed back to 1.36b... I am going to change the whole motherboard for the new DFI but this will require some more $$$ as I will need PCIe, etc... So my plans are on hold for the time being... :(

sideeffect
10-13-2005, 07:33 PM
phobix are you using vapochill or some other extreme cooling? Because if you are the reason you cant get into bios is because the bios doesnt recognise low temperatures and so wont load bios setup.

The way to get around that is to use a bios with the temperatures removed. You can use the 1.A bios on my website. I can make you a 1.B version as well if you want. I had the same problem when i used vapochill. Removing the bios temperature values fixes it and the temperature still shows in windows with speedfan/mbm so its not big deal.

And you didnt try everything you didnt try air cooling to see if it was a cold boot issue :p:

phobix
10-13-2005, 08:00 PM
phobix are you using vapochill or some other extreme cooling? Because if you are the reason you cant get into bios is because the bios doesnt recognise low temperatures and so wont load bios setup.

The way to get around that is to use a bios with the temperatures removed. You can use the 1.A bios on my website. I can make you a 1.B version as well if you want. I had the same problem when i used vapochill. Removing the bios temperature values fixes it and the temperature still shows in windows with speedfan/mbm so its not big deal.

And you didnt try everything you didnt try air cooling to see if it was a cold boot issue :p:
Yes indeed, running a MachII here...

If you could make me a 1.B version that would be lovely :toast:

And you are right, I am lazy... :D Since you are a vapo owner you know how much effort it is to take the motherboard out of the case once installed! I hate redoing all the anti-condensation crap...

sideeffect
10-13-2005, 08:12 PM
Yes I hate it to removing and installing vapochill..... Once its up and running its all good but diagnosing a problem is such a hassle :slapass:

Well yes i can make you a 1.B mod what version do you want with memory timings or just standard bios? Or would you prefer the newer 1.Cbeta bios?

Edit - I just made a 1.B rev2 No temp bios. you can get it from HERE (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/view_thread.php?fid=39&tid=78)

phobix
10-13-2005, 09:04 PM
WOOOOOT :toast: :toast: :toast:

She works!! ;) Like a champ!

Thanks side-effect!!! Too late to undo my order cancellation... But this bios rocks... I am running the same overclock I have been with my winchester with 1.36b for the last year with 0 instabilities thus far and the best part is I am now X2 ready!

FlyingHamster
10-13-2005, 10:31 PM
someone said this in another thread:

Set the AGP voltage higher (since vAGP = Chipset vdd on the Neo2)

is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

stw500
10-13-2005, 11:57 PM
noone knows about Geils Values (with blue heat spreaders) and this board how works?

I answered your question right after you asked...look above...

theDUD3
10-14-2005, 02:33 AM
someone said this in another thread:


is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??


hmmm... anybody? :D

xxbiker
10-14-2005, 03:40 AM
hmmm... anybody? :D
I think it.s so on the via chipset since i have managed too get a higher oc
with 1.75 volt on the agp on a msi k8t neo fir. But i have never seen such an impact on the neo platium board.
xxbiker

sideeffect
10-14-2005, 06:00 AM
Yes i also havnt noticed anything from upping the vagp volts. Its possible they do scale together but i dont think so from personal experiance,

Losphoron
10-14-2005, 06:29 AM
I answered your question right after you asked...look above...


sorry man..I didn't saw your post.Scrolled too fast :D
Sorry to hear that..Should i go for my kingmax Super ram 512 ppc3200 ? No money for premium versions :P

flick
10-14-2005, 11:30 AM
Hi,

I haven't posted here in a while. Has anybody had a problems with AGP and bios's past 1.8, i.e. 1.9-1.c3 and X2 dual core cpu's? I have an X850XT PE and an X2 4400+ on my neo 2 platinum. I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system. Then it's good for another 3 hours or so. It seems like a memory leak of some sort. The big key here is that it only happens with bios's past 1.8. I understand that 1.9 and on are new bios's, but am wondering why it's doing this to my system. 1.8 and down I have no problems what so ever. I can game all day and not have a problem, but I don't get the dual core advantage. Also 1.9 and above everything else is great and works fine as far as dual core goes. It's just when I'm gaming. Any information would be helpful. :confused:
<p>
<p>
I also have a Prometia which the bios's still don't see right because of the negative temperature. I still can't delete into the newer bios's without a temp mod. Anyway that's a side note.

Losphoron
10-14-2005, 01:45 PM
ok..I want some cool ddr's for OC with this board for 60$ (512 ram PC3200 banks)...Want some suggestions from your experience..Thank you

sideeffect
10-14-2005, 03:01 PM
Hi,

I haven't posted here in a while. Has anybody had a problems with AGP and bios's past 1.8, i.e. 1.9-1.c3 and X2 dual core cpu's? I have an X850XT PE and an X2 4400+ on my neo 2 platinum. I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system. Then it's good for another 3 hours or so. It seems like a memory leak of some sort. The big key here is that it only happens with bios's past 1.8. I understand that 1.9 and on are new bios's, but am wondering why it's doing this to my system. 1.8 and down I have no problems what so ever. I can game all day and not have a problem, but I don't get the dual core advantage. Also 1.9 and above everything else is great and works fine as far as dual core goes. It's just when I'm gaming. Any information would be helpful. :confused:
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<p>
I also have a Prometia which the bios's still don't see right because of the negative temperature. I still can't delete into the newer bios's without a temp mod. Anyway that's a side note.

If you look about 2 posts up from your post you will see the fix for negative temps and getting in bios setup. If you cant get in bios setup then it could be many things that are causing the freezing in games like fast writes on or ATI/Nvidia speedup etc etc etc. So get a bios you can get into and try again.

sideeffect
10-14-2005, 03:29 PM
You know whats interesting. 1.45 + 10 percent doesnt = 1.63 volts. But when you set it with the motherboard thats what you get. Another interesting thing is that 1.45 + 18 percent does = 1.63 volts.

1.55 + 10 percent = 1.65 volts So I think MSI based the percentages off of 1.55 volts and when the cpus went to 1.45 volts they still get the benifit of thinking its 1.55 and so sets the percentage accordingly.

so whats going on here? Maximum voltage with the 1.36 bios was 1.75 volts. Thats 1.45 + 30 percent but that value is 18 percent ??? 1.55 + 18 percent = 1.73 so that fits in with my theory.

Well anyway im confusing myself thinking about it.

msimax
10-14-2005, 03:31 PM
someone said this in another thread:


is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

my journey to 400htt seems unaffected by using vagp worst case i see is damaging ur vidcard

u can try this but i didnt try it yet
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17105

msimax
10-14-2005, 04:30 PM
hey SE can u mod ur 1.c for no temps

sideeffect
10-14-2005, 04:34 PM
I'll mod 1.C final when its out in a few days with a no temp version.

el rolio
10-15-2005, 02:57 AM
You know whats interesting. 1.45 + 10 percent doesnt = 1.63 volts. But when you set it with the motherboard thats what you get. Another interesting thing is that 1.45 + 18 percent does = 1.63 volts.

1.55 + 10 percent = 1.65 volts So I think MSI based the percentages off of 1.55 volts and when the cpus went to 1.45 volts they still get the benifit of thinking its 1.55 and so sets the percentage accordingly.

so whats going on here? Maximum voltage with the 1.36 bios was 1.75 volts. Thats 1.45 + 30 percent but that value is 18 percent ??? 1.55 + 18 percent = 1.73 so that fits in with my theory.

Well anyway im confusing myself thinking about it.

yea homie, ive noticed that too. didnt FULLY think it all thru and it seems you know why... cuz it hurts... but i wanted more than +5% or +8.3% and like using 1.55 setting + supn wasnt good enough. basically up here at 2.7ghz i didnt need WAY over 1.6v, i just need enough to be at or slightly below so what i did i think was to choose something in between 1.45 and 1.55 to see which ones did different things... anyhoo it worked i think. next time i jump into bios i'll check out what it was. oh and lookin forward to that 1.c, hopefully its good and looks like it will coincide with my new proc arriving

stw500
10-15-2005, 07:12 AM
sorry man..I didn't saw your post.Scrolled too fast :D
Sorry to hear that..Should i go for my kingmax Super ram 512 ppc3200 ? No money for premium versions :P

Well, no problem! :)

I don't have any experiences made with the kingmax. So I won't say anything to it...

Just read that Samsung-Chips PC3200 can go much higher than made for. But I don't have a clue if they run on the Neo2...

Special_K
10-15-2005, 12:23 PM
is anybody running 2x1GB RAM on this mobo yet?

K tried it, but the system was unstable on high load (read: playing BF2) and everything pointed to a bad PSU as the 12V rail would drop badly, but now, when running 2x512MB RAM the 12V rail is solid?

any ideas/experiences from anyone?

laters

K

Losphoron
10-15-2005, 01:05 PM
theDud3 what memories you have and how much you OC your Vinnie...

twohype
10-15-2005, 01:19 PM
is anybody running 2x1GB RAM on this mobo yet?

K tried it, but the system was unstable on high load (read: playing BF2) and everything pointed to a bad PSU as the 12V rail would drop badly, but now, when running 2x512MB RAM the 12V rail is solid?

any ideas/experiences from anyone?

laters

K

Yep, check my sign it works great. Man BF2 rocks with 2 gigs. Maybe your ram is defective or needs to be of higher quality :)

Special_K
10-15-2005, 03:05 PM
they're Ballistix Z503's =/

but why would they make the 12V rail fall so drastically?

Rbreb13
10-15-2005, 03:35 PM
they're Ballistix Z503's =/

but why would they make the 12V rail fall so drastically?Thats what I run with no problems. Still working on a good/stable top speed though. Some others are using them also.

phobix
10-15-2005, 06:20 PM
I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system.

Got the same problem here with X2 3800+ Neo2 but after 30 minutes???? If you figure out what it is let me know and vice versa

Lestat
10-16-2005, 12:04 PM
yea homie, ive noticed that too. didnt FULLY think it all thru and it seems you know why... cuz it hurts... but i wanted more than +5% or +8.3% and like using 1.55 setting + supn wasnt good enough. basically up here at 2.7ghz i didnt need WAY over 1.6v, i just need enough to be at or slightly below so what i did i think was to choose something in between 1.45 and 1.55 to see which ones did different things... anyhoo it worked i think. next time i jump into bios i'll check out what it was. oh and lookin forward to that 1.c, hopefully its good and looks like it will coincide with my new proc arriving

Side effect i said this a long time ago and no one seemed to care.
i pointed out that the voltages in the bios were wrong with what is really being displayed.

oh well.

like i also said a long time ago someone needs to make a bios like Murdock did where there are no % anymore its all 0.80 all the way up to 1.7
all you do is remove the percant option but make anything over 1.45 equal VID + %
1.45 + 10% = 1.595(1.6)
so instad of having to set vcore of 1.45 then set % over VID @ 10%
you have the vcore automatically set it when you choose 1.6v

he made it work somewhat. it worked only for certain voltages in other words.
but it did work.

el rolio
10-16-2005, 12:11 PM
like i also said a long time ago someone needs to make a bios like Murdock did where there are no % anymore its all 0.80 all the way up to 1.7
all you do is remove the percant option but make anything over 1.45 equal VID + %
1.45 + 10% = 1.595(1.6)
so instad of having to set vcore of 1.45 then set % over VID @ 10%
you have the vcore automatically set it when you choose 1.6v

he made it work somewhat. it worked only for certain voltages in other words.
but it did work.

yea THAT would be nice to have. i dunno if its possible anymore?

sideeffect
10-16-2005, 01:31 PM
Side effect i said this a long time ago and no one seemed to care.
i pointed out that the voltages in the bios were wrong with what is really being displayed.

oh well.

like i also said a long time ago someone needs to make a bios like Murdock did where there are no % anymore its all 0.80 all the way up to 1.7
all you do is remove the percant option but make anything over 1.45 equal VID + %
1.45 + 10% = 1.595(1.6)
so instad of having to set vcore of 1.45 then set % over VID @ 10%
you have the vcore automatically set it when you choose 1.6v

he made it work somewhat. it worked only for certain voltages in other words.
but it did work.


I dont think Murdok ever did that Lestat. Never saw a bios like that for neo2 from him. Yes it is possbile but its not a good way of doing it imo.

Theres 3 good reasons why it shouldnt be done only 1 good reason for it.

So yes its possbile no its not a good idea.

Only real way to do it is to force +10 percent then hide the option then rename all the values to take into account the +10 percent. Problem with that is +10 percent isnt always a good setting on peoples pcs. Its not as stable as pehaps +5 or +8.3 and if they are only using say 1.5 volts it makes no sence.

Best way to fix this problem imo is to rename the percentages their correct values like +10 should be +18 percent. Also 1.475 - 1.55 should be locked.

That would make the bios make sence fine for anyone with a winchester venice or san diego pc. People using Newcastle based cpus would lose 0.1 volts though.

phobix
10-16-2005, 01:58 PM
Running modded 1.b here with an X2 and I can't get more than 1.55 volts. This is with the startup up VID at max and the percentage at max. Any suggestions on uping the Vcore a little more... I am phase change cooled so I am not really to concerned about heat.

sideeffect
10-16-2005, 03:08 PM
Think your stuck phobix. Newer X2 cpus seem to have a max VID of 1.375 volts instead or 1.45. So thats where your losing out on the voltage.

phobix
10-16-2005, 03:28 PM
Oh well, the good news is she is priming @ 2.7ghz right now. 300x9 memory @ 500DDR (166 divider) 2.5,3,3,7 1T. Pretty decent 24/7 overclock if she proves to be 100% stable which is what I need in my system.

I am starting to see the limitations of this board once you throw a dual core CPU into the equation. It is not so much the voltage but the amount of current these CPUs draw under load.

flick
10-16-2005, 05:31 PM
Got the same problem here with X2 3800+ Neo2 but after 30 minutes???? If you figure out what it is let me know and vice versa

Hey phobix,

I used driverheaven's driver cleaner pro, cleaned off all the nforce chipset drivers and the ati drivers, reinstalled nvidia's latest nforce drivers from their website and then reinstalled the latest catalyst drivers. The result is that online gaming with bf1942 and any mod no longer studders at anytime. However, if you enter single player mode after about 30 minutes the game will lock up, but you can at least ctrl+alt+del out and end the process. It sucks if you play single player, but works great now for online bf1942. I don't understand why, but it works online without any stuttering. Good luck and if you happen to come upon something else, let me know.

el rolio
10-16-2005, 06:12 PM
Oh well, the good news is she is priming @ 2.7ghz right now. 300x9 memory @ 500DDR (166 divider) 2.5,3,3,7 1T. Pretty decent 24/7 overclock if she proves to be 100% stable which is what I need in my system.

hey i also got a question for you man. at that exact memory timings and speed and settings, what is the voltage you set in the bios? i seem to error out at any setting above 2.6v

sideeffect
10-16-2005, 06:12 PM
Oh well, the good news is she is priming @ 2.7ghz right now. 300x9 memory @ 500DDR (166 divider) 2.5,3,3,7 1T. Pretty decent 24/7 overclock if she proves to be 100% stable which is what I need in my system.

I am starting to see the limitations of this board once you throw a dual core CPU into the equation. It is not so much the voltage but the amount of current these CPUs draw under load.

Doesnt the x2 draw less power than the 0.13 nm FX53 or 55 though. Im pretty sure it does.

phobix
10-16-2005, 07:04 PM
Hey phobix,

I used driverheaven's driver cleaner pro, cleaned off all the nforce chipset drivers and the ati drivers, reinstalled nvidia's latest nforce drivers from their website and then reinstalled the latest catalyst drivers. The result is that online gaming with bf1942 and any mod no longer studders at anytime. However, if you enter single player mode after about 30 minutes the game will lock up, but you can at least ctrl+alt+del out and end the process. It sucks if you play single player, but works great now for online bf1942. I don't understand why, but it works online without any stuttering. Good luck and if you happen to come upon something else, let me know.

Good tips!

I solved it by manually setting the affinity in task manager by alt+tabbing back to windows. I am sure that if I had re-installed windows it wouldn't be an issue but I have way too much time invested in my current build to re-install at this point in time.

phobix
10-16-2005, 07:06 PM
Doesnt the x2 draw less power than the 0.13 nm FX53 or 55 though. Im pretty sure it does.

I think TDP at stock vcore is 89watts...However there is a cut-off point (Freq/Vcore) where the TDP is no longer linear. I can tell you 100% that it draws more than my winchester did at the same clock because my evap temps under load are 8c higher.

phobix
10-16-2005, 07:09 PM
hey i also got a question for you man. at that exact memory timings and speed and settings, what is the voltage you set in the bios? i seem to error out at any setting above 2.6v

Could be your memory controller causing you grief. I had to lower my Vdimm considerably to get stability @ 500ddr, 2.6vdimm vs 2.85vdimm on the winchester.

flick
10-16-2005, 07:19 PM
Good tips!

I solved it by manually setting the affinity in task manager by alt+tabbing back to windows. I am sure that if I had re-installed windows it wouldn't be an issue but I have way too much time invested in my current build to re-install at this point in time.


Is there anyway to save the setting or do you have to do it everytime you start the game?

el rolio
10-16-2005, 08:59 PM
Could be your memory controller causing you grief. I had to lower my Vdimm considerably to get stability @ 500ddr, 2.6vdimm vs 2.85vdimm on the winchester.

damn. butt im on a winnie now :( and the bad thign is without more than 2.6v.... i cant use better than 2.5-4-4 timings :( *sadface

flick
10-16-2005, 09:14 PM
For Phobix and anybody having X2 problems of any sort with any mobo, espeacially with gaming, check this forum (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22682&page=1&pp=15) and this Microsoft article (http://support.microsoft.com/?id=896256) out. Great article and solutions to problems with gaming and X2 processors. Downloaded amd X2 drivers (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html) and Microsoft hotfix (http://www.amdzone.com/files/WinXPdualcorehotfix.exe) , along with registry change and all problems are gone. No more using affinity to fix the stuttering problems I was having in gaming. :D
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These are the problems I posted about twice and people replied with the stupid "turn your fast writes off" and such. I think the so called "experts" need to get a clue about some stuff before they post the obvious.

ridczak
10-17-2005, 01:37 AM
I sent my OCZ Gold back to shop after I lost a fight with it ;) Now, I want to replace it with OCZ Plat. rev. 2. Is it a good choice for this mobo? In what configuration (clock/timings) do you have it 24/7?

Losphoron
10-17-2005, 04:06 AM
ok...I tested the Kingmax 512ram Pc3200 in OC steps..Seems they work at 225mhz (1:1) without errors.At 240mhz i have plenty errors in test 5 (memtest 1.60+).At 235 less .At 230mhz same..I ended up that 225mhz make a good ride..Is not bad for a value ram to do this.The ram have no heat spreaders.I should after some hours of gaming if they get hot..I should buy Kingmax DDR500 Hardcore..They are 84$ with my country taxes and all :banana::banana::banana::banana:s..I think is more cheaper than any other manufacture in this moment imo..They are bang for the buck..I saw a review and they got max 245mhz 1:1 with hardcore memory version..

el rolio
10-17-2005, 05:38 AM
I sent my OCZ Gold back to shop after I lost a fight with it ;) Now, I want to replace it with OCZ Plat. rev. 2. Is it a good choice for this mobo? In what configuration (clock/timings) do you have it 24/7?

dude. i tried that. i have and still love my ocz gold bh5's. tried to pop plati rev 2's in and well.... itt aint that big of a difference. especially since i cant run higher voltage than 2.6 into the platis or they get too hot. yes, hot, hotter than the max speed i took the bh-5's up to with max board volts of 2.85 (that speed being around 215)

ridczak
10-17-2005, 06:50 AM
Hmm, maybe mine were so bad. On stock 200 cl2225 worked fine (more or less ;)) but anything more (ie. 210- 220MHz) produced lots of errors (tousands) in goldmemory regardless of timings. Also on an old Epox 8rda+. Maybe just bad luck, don't know. I have to decide on these because I buy them through the company I work and cannot change sticks so easly like a private person.

I buy memory here: Alternate (http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productListing4C.html?cat1=022&cat2=083&cat3=000&treeName=HARDWARE&Level1=Arbeitsspeicher&Level2=DDR&)

Any tip what elese cen be good? (this 189€ is quite a lot and I think I wouldn't buy anything more expensive)

Losphoron
10-17-2005, 07:15 AM
ouch...you guys payed alot for OCZ Gold and you get only 215...i get with my kingmax 512mb Pc3200 that are more cheaper at 225 mhz (without any error in memtest)..Goldmemory didn't tried..

sideeffect
10-17-2005, 08:25 AM
These are the problems I posted about twice and people replied with the stupid "turn your fast writes off" and such. I think the so called "experts" need to get a clue about some stuff before they post the obvious.

Are you having a dig at people here ? Because noone here claimed to be an expert. Were all just NEO2 users. Noone here gets paid by MSI staff to help you out.

The fast writes suggestion is a common problem thats probably why it was suggested. Its not a stupid suggestion. The problem you found out doesnt even have anything to do with the NEO2 anyway its a problem with x2 cpus and windows OS so how the hell are we supposed to know about it if we have single cores?

Well anyway stop acting like the world owes you a answer.

flick
10-17-2005, 09:37 AM
I was frustrated because I do consider you guys more experts than the average joe. I didn't mean to come off that way. I was happy and should have just thanked everybody for their help. I apologize for the statement. Thank you for putting me in my place Side Effect. Much appreciated. :toast: :toast: :toast:

el rolio
10-17-2005, 11:38 AM
aiit boys, got my optie, so gonan try some new bioses out this evening, gonan grab SE's newest one. also, i gotta go abck and get the refresher for how to do the flash properly with this new cpu gettin put in. the whole cmos jumper pull, unpluggedness job

el rolio
10-18-2005, 07:58 AM
ok update on what occurred last night. so installed proc. restarted... checked settings in 1.8mod3 bios, set it back to near stock... mem still on div. quick like super pi run. then grabbed the 1.c std and tccd bioses from SE's site. decided to install the std of course cuz i will do the tccd one when i know that i like the extra settings thru tweaker.. but thats later on.

restart turn off, unplug cycle power etc. go back on, to bios... checked out hte settings.... i much appreciate hte organisation of this bios SE, nicely done in cell section but more importanlty, disabling all the useless crap from the other sections (liek sata 1/2 etc) that all of us enthusiasts always end up having to reset after a cmos clearing.

ok now into dram config... i see auto for a few settings, figure i can leave em so its like 2.5-a-a-10. yea bad mistake, cuz system wount post. had to unplug, clear cmos again... and then go in a set ma settings... i though auto was more passive... anyway.

tried 250x10 then 260x10 then 270x10. decided to do a few tests at 270x10. gosh this optie is hot. during that time, eatin dinner etc, i realise its REAL hot. then i see one of hte m1a's isnt spinning on the rad. so i look at all my wiring, curse a bit at hte fan controller, swap out fan wires, putt in a resistor. nothing workin. then i remember these panaflos have plug connects on BOTH ends of the fan wire. so i go around back, and use a pliers thru the grill to plug the fan wire back in (even tho i zip tied it speicifically when i built the sys).

anyhoo, tis all good. few more tests, up to 290x10. decided to burn in there cuz i know it needs the heat and the speed to eventually let the as5 cure and bring down the temps with these opterowns. but so far im liking the bios.. nothing to really compare to but this is the first time i could go past 1.8 bios reliably (since im upgrading from ma 2.7 winnie)

ridczak
10-18-2005, 08:09 AM
aiit boys, got my optie, so gonan try some new bioses out this evening, gonan grab SE's newest one. also, i gotta go abck and get the refresher for how to do the flash properly with this new cpu gettin put in. the whole cmos jumper pull, unpluggedness job

How is your OCZ Plat. Rev 2 working with optie, better than Winnie? ;) Just write some numbers, we all like numbers, don't we? :D (here was a baaaad mistake ;))


ps. So, what would you choose:

Ocz plat. rev2 PC3200 2x512 (TCCD)
OR
Geil Ultra-x PC3200 2x512 (new BH-5) + OCZ Booster?

The price of both kits is the same. Maybe OCZ Gold VX + booster (but here price is ~25€ higher)

Aleister
10-18-2005, 09:45 AM
I would be curious to see that as well :)

btw, anyone tried G.Skill Extreme 2x1GB ?

Model #: F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231021

I think I am probably going to go with it.

el rolio
10-18-2005, 12:32 PM
How is your OCZ Plat. Rev 2 working with optie, better than Winnie? ;) Just write some numbers, we all like numbers, don't we? :D (here was a baaaad mistake ;))


ps. So, what would you choose:

Ocz plat. rev2 PC3200 2x512 (TCCD)
OR
Geil Ultra-x PC3200 2x512 (new BH-5) + OCZ Booster?

The price of both kits is the same. Maybe OCZ Gold VX + booster (but here price is ~25€ higher)


well im at hte point of burning in the cpu... so timings are the same as they were before, my issue is the way the damn dual channel is setup on this mobo with the sticks touching each other, makes it a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to cool them. i have the booster, the bh-5 and the tccd.... none of which i have ever been able to successfully use to their potential. not even close. tccd is sucky timings and low volts.... the bh-5 is lack of cooling so nothing above 3v... i think the tccd issue is lack of cooling too.

Nedo
10-18-2005, 01:55 PM
Hi
Can it be that you forum doesnt work anymore sideeffect?
It does not show any topics ;(

zenzog
10-18-2005, 05:00 PM
Got a question... does this board not like 24->20 pin power adapters?

My comp hangs after a while, at random, when OCing. It's perfectly stable at stock, but once I get even the slightest bit out of stock, it will randomly hang. Sometimes I can be stable for hours, once I was going on for a whole weekend only to hang sometime on Sunday. :(

Also, I found this on the front page:
TIP: if you experience problems with Antec Neopower and Truepower PSUs and also with PowerStream PSUs, try Bios 1.37 and turn the PSU off after you shut down, seems to help as well

I use a 480w Neopower, but my problem isn't exactly what using the search function turns up. My computer (usually) boots up fine, sometimes it won't and I just try a couple times and it does.

I have 6 drives and a 6800OC, but I think an Antec 480w Neopower should be able to handle that. Also, I'm using a modded 1.C bios. I might try using 1.37 if I'm out of other ideas.

I removed the side panel of my case (for heat) and it seems to be a little bit more stable, but I did this yesterday and haven't had much actual evidence of this.
Neopowers sure are warm and after I hang, sometimes I'll put my hand to the CPU HSF. Occasionally, it's really hot. :(

Thanks in advance!

widman
10-18-2005, 07:38 PM
follow flick sugestion, and let's know the result. I had updated before doing any test. so far so good.


Got the same problem here with X2 3800+ Neo2 but after 30 minutes???? If you figure out what it is let me know and vice versa



For Phobix and anybody having X2 problems of any sort with any mobo, espeacially with gaming, check this forum (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22682&page=1&pp=15) and this Microsoft article (http://support.microsoft.com/?id=896256) out. Great article and solutions to problems with gaming and X2 processors. Downloaded amd X2 drivers (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html) and Microsoft hotfix (http://www.amdzone.com/files/WinXPdualcorehotfix.exe) , along with registry change and all problems are gone. No more using affinity to fix the stuttering problems I was having in gaming. :D
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el rolio
10-18-2005, 08:45 PM
hey SE, quick question, i noticed since you auto set a few normal settings in the 1.c bios.... you had agp speed at 66. am i to assume i should leave that to make sure the lock is enabled?

other random question: when i get FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4, what does that usually indicate?

sideeffect
10-18-2005, 09:33 PM
There is no Auto setting for AGP frequency. So its 66 default in all newer bios files I think. The locks Should stay in place though if you raise it. Im pretty sure they do. Nforce 3 clockgen shows PCI bus at 33.34 for me with my AGP frequency at 80mhz.

el rolio
10-18-2005, 09:38 PM
thanks for the reply SE. i may move over to the tccd version of the 1.c soon... after my burn it gets done

sideeffect
10-18-2005, 09:39 PM
The prime error = prime stability test already has all the correct results that the cpu should produce. When you run prime you calculate all these computations and then they are compared to the correct results. If the results you get are different from the listed results then the cpu/system is unstable and so you get the error.

Garrett
10-19-2005, 12:12 AM
Got a question... does this board not like 24->20 pin power adapters?

My comp hangs after a while, at random, when OCing. It's perfectly stable at stock, but once I get even the slightest bit out of stock, it will randomly hang. Sometimes I can be stable for hours, once I was going on for a whole weekend only to hang sometime on Sunday. :(

Also, I found this on the front page:
TIP: if you experience problems with Antec Neopower and Truepower PSUs and also with PowerStream PSUs, try Bios 1.37 and turn the PSU off after you shut down, seems to help as well

I use a 480w Neopower, but my problem isn't exactly what using the search function turns up. My computer (usually) boots up fine, sometimes it won't and I just try a couple times and it does.

I have 6 drives and a 6800OC, but I think an Antec 480w Neopower should be able to handle that. Also, I'm using a modded 1.C bios. I might try using 1.37 if I'm out of other ideas.

I removed the side panel of my case (for heat) and it seems to be a little bit more stable, but I did this yesterday and haven't had much actual evidence of this.
Neopowers sure are warm and after I hang, sometimes I'll put my hand to the CPU HSF. Occasionally, it's really hot. :(

Thanks in advance!I have no problems whatsoever with the 20=>24 pin converter, and I use the OCZ Powerstream 520 PSU :)

Losphoron
10-19-2005, 01:27 AM
for dual core systems Good news...
http://www.thehotfix.net/sp3.html

"New! - 896256 - Computers that are running Windows XP Service Pack 2 and that are equipped with multiple processors that support processor power management features may experience decreased performance"

Nedo
10-19-2005, 02:51 AM
One question:
Is there any BIOS where Timings are not changed (especially Write-to-Read Delay) with dividers like 150 or 166?
Thanks =)

sideeffect
10-19-2005, 07:56 AM
No sry Nedo I tried before to force 2 for all dividers and instead it forced 1. Somethings wrong with the register pehaps.

Only way to change it is with athlon 64 tweaker in windows. Unless MSI add the timing to bios.

Nedo
10-19-2005, 08:42 AM
No sry Nedo I tried before to force 2 for all dividers and instead it forced 1. Somethings wrong with the register pehaps.

Only way to change it is with athlon 64 tweaker in windows. Unless MSI add the timing to bios.
Ah Ok, thx.
But how can it be explained that it is 2 when 183 divider is set?
:)

sideeffect
10-19-2005, 10:00 AM
Thats the MSI defaults. I can overide most of the MSI defaults but like i said when i try to force 2 with Write-to-Read Delay it defaults to 1.

If you start up a64tweaker 0.31 then change the Write-to-Read Delay value to 2 then save it then open the save file with wordpad/notepad and delete all the other changes except the Write-to-Read Delay option. Then set A64 tweaker to run on startup, iit will just change that one value for you and not mess anything else up.

Nedo
10-19-2005, 02:00 PM
But then I must overclock in Windows because sometimes my Computer won't boot :D

a_pint_of_milk
10-19-2005, 04:18 PM
Is there any way to know tell the temperature of the northbridge on this board? I can only see the CPU temp (29c idle, 36 load) and system temp (27c) in corecell. Also, what are reasonable running temps for a venice core?



A64 Venice 3200+
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
512mb Geil PC4400 Platinum (2*256)
Q-Tec 550w Gold PSU
Akasa evo33 heatsink
Thermaltake Xaser III case
160gb SATA Maxtor
160gb IDE Maxtor
Lite-On 16x DVD-RW
Samsung 52x CD-RW
Windows XP Pro SP2
Galaxy 6800GT

sideeffect
10-19-2005, 04:30 PM
You can use speedfan or systool to monitor all the temps available.

I recommend systool as it shows all the correct voltage rails.

link (http://www.techpowerup.com/systool/)

Draxx
10-20-2005, 01:39 AM
Write to real delay of 1 is very tight set that to 2.

Trc (12) and Trfc (18) is probably to loose for Bh6 try 11 and 15. Try Tras of 7 instead of 10. Set read to write delay to 2. See how that works might give you a few more mhz.

Then if you want to go any higher than that you going to need to drop down to cas 2.5 i think.

See how high you can go at 2.5-2-2-7 or 2.5-2-2-8. With trc 11 and trfc 15.

Then try again at 2.5-2-3-7

Set voltage to 2.85 volts. Put a fan over the memory if you can.

Right chap, a slight update on this.

I upped the HT to 313Mhz (x3) set the multiplier to 8x (using clockgen) which gives me around 209Mhz on the RAM and 2.5Ghz CPU (1.53v ish). Used A64 tweaker to set the write to read delay to 2, timings to 2.5-3-3-10 1T at 2.7v and it ran 3D Mark01 fine, also passed OCCT and S&M1.73. But failed Prime95 after about 20 mins

Now would this be down to the high HT speed or should I try upping the voltage to 2.8v on the RAM.

While your answering question, how come I can't set the HT to 313Mhz in the BIOS, if I do it won't POST, but I can happily set it in Windows? Is there a way I can set in BIOS, as it would be far easier for me?

Thanks all :)

el rolio
10-20-2005, 09:04 AM
ok wow. so still tryin to OC this opteron. seems like ive run into a werid wall. with stock vcore i can go all the way up to 277x10. i have the memory on a divider (since no active cooling) at either 183 or 166 with timings of 2.5-4-4-9 and then 14 and 17 for the next two timings... anyhoo... no amount of voltage seems to get me stable at 280x10. it would then seem to me that there is some other issue happening. cuz even with the 183 divider puttin the mem at about 254 which i know its pretty stable at with 2.5-4-4-9 / 2.6v. and of course the 166 divider puts it at about 233. anyhoo. basiclally i can super pi 1M but none of hte larger ones and prime will fail anywhere from half hour to 5 hours. i pretty much stepped up the voce in bits:
ive tried startup +10%
1.375 + 10
1.4 + 10%
1.425 + 10%
1.45 + 10%

1.4 + 5%
1.45 + 3.3%

and note well that with "startup" voltage set and no over % set i went up to 277x10.

one thing i guess i can try is move from the 1.c standard and tccd bioses to a lower bios?
anyone here using a san diego, fx-57, or 4000+ with the neo2? which bios been best for you? since i have a CABNE chip right here.

any ideas SE?

Mehran
10-20-2005, 10:26 AM
Long time I haven't checked here.
Say SE I have a problem.
With yor bios (1.c) I can't use 183 MemDivider! It works like a 200 divider for me.
What's the problem?

Draxx
10-20-2005, 10:58 AM
Ok at 2.5-3-3-10 1T @ 2.8v its priming ok so far (1hr). This is at 312MHz HTT (x8 for 2.5Ghz) with the 133 Divider giving me 208Mhz on the RAM.

May beable to get better timings, I'll have to experiment. Also set Trc to 11, Trfc to 15, write to read to 2 and idle cycle limit to 256. What else do you recommend?

Have yet to try setting 312 in the BIOS, but how do I get A64 tweaker to set the timings I need on boot?

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/5169/untitled0ax.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sideeffect
10-20-2005, 11:08 AM
Long time I haven't checked here.
Say SE I have a problem.
With yor bios (1.c) I can't use 183 MemDivider! It works like a 200 divider for me.
What's the problem?

Are you sure? Check with cpu-z to see what your memory is at. In bios it wont tell you the correct frequency when you set 183.

sideeffect
10-20-2005, 11:12 AM
ok wow. so still tryin to OC this opteron. seems like ive run into a werid wall. with stock vcore i can go all the way up to 277x10. i have the memory on a divider (since no active cooling) at either 183 or 166 with timings of 2.5-4-4-9 and then 14 and 17 for the next two timings... anyhoo... no amount of voltage seems to get me stable at 280x10. it would then seem to me that there is some other issue happening. cuz even with the 183 divider puttin the mem at about 254 which i know its pretty stable at with 2.5-4-4-9 / 2.6v. and of course the 166 divider puts it at about 233. anyhoo. basiclally i can super pi 1M but none of hte larger ones and prime will fail anywhere from half hour to 5 hours. i pretty much stepped up the voce in bits:
ive tried startup +10%
1.375 + 10
1.4 + 10%
1.425 + 10%
1.45 + 10%

1.4 + 5%
1.45 + 3.3%

and note well that with "startup" voltage set and no over % set i went up to 277x10.

one thing i guess i can try is move from the 1.c standard and tccd bioses to a lower bios?
anyone here using a san diego, fx-57, or 4000+ with the neo2? which bios been best for you? since i have a CABNE chip right here.

any ideas SE?

Your probably hitting the memory controller limit. Mostly the cpus clock to a certain level 1;1 then you need to reduce the memory speed in order to get more cpu speed.

Like for me 250 x 11 is stable as highest 1:1

The cpu will go up to 3ghz but only if i have ram set to 200 mhz .
The ram will go to 260 mhz but only if I run the cpu at lower speed.

Its all about finding the best balance you can betwen the cpu and ram then reduce your voltages so its stable but runs cool.

el rolio
10-20-2005, 11:46 AM
wow SE, thats some good stuff to consider there. one thing someone pointed out to me... i had left the agp voltage low after the 1.c bios upgrade and cmos clear... so its at 1.55 now. im gonna go back to 1.65 as i had it pre-opterown.... and see if that does anything.

but this concept of the mem controller not liking it is crazy + it would be possible that i would then find out if droppin mem speed again (i tried it with 183 div and 166 div) to the lower one as you say lets me pass this barrier, then
• it would be awesome to still see how far stock vcore takes me and able to keep these very hot opterowns cool
• will be able to use tighter timings... and maybe if its within my bh-5 range... use the ocz golds again.

again SE, would you reccomend (after i try the other stuff) using another bios maybe? or should i stick with the 1.c tccd as im at now? im liking what you did with the bios alot and am very comfortable in it. just askin

zenzog
10-20-2005, 11:52 AM
Long time I haven't checked here.
Say SE I have a problem.
With yor bios (1.c) I can't use 183 MemDivider! It works like a 200 divider for me.
What's the problem?

I think the problem is just at POST where it displays your memory 'speed'. It says 'DDR 200' instead of whatever... DDR 366? or so. Also when you look at your clock speed in the bios, I think it messes up and displays something crazy.

But it should be working with a 183 divider effectively.

sideeffect
10-20-2005, 01:05 PM
wow SE, thats some good stuff to consider there. one thing someone pointed out to me... i had left the agp voltage low after the 1.c bios upgrade and cmos clear... so its at 1.55 now. im gonna go back to 1.65 as i had it pre-opterown.... and see if that does anything.

but this concept of the mem controller not liking it is crazy + it would be possible that i would then find out if droppin mem speed again (i tried it with 183 div and 166 div) to the lower one as you say lets me pass this barrier, then
• it would be awesome to still see how far stock vcore takes me and able to keep these very hot opterowns cool
• will be able to use tighter timings... and maybe if its within my bh-5 range... use the ocz golds again.

again SE, would you reccomend (after i try the other stuff) using another bios maybe? or should i stick with the 1.c tccd as im at now? im liking what you did with the bios alot and am very comfortable in it. just askin

If you decide to use the Bh-5 go to the Standard Edition bios but otherwise I would stay with TCCD version. As for which version well 1.B is the best official so far in my opinion. 1.C is a good beta but the vcore seems less stable than 1.B have to see what happens with 1.C final.

Im using the 1.C beta ballistix E. Ive stoped overclocking for the time being im quite happy with my current clock so as long as a bios remains stable for me at this clock im happy. I just want more features now esspecially ram timings in bios.

el rolio
10-20-2005, 01:14 PM
YES! the voltages! thats what i was thinkin about. ok im gonna stick with the tccd sticks tonite, fix up the 2 agp things... look about tthe effects on the mem controller like you said... and try 1.btccd, maybe i revisit the 1.c when its final.

also: is there ways to set the idle cycle limitt to less than 256 i the bios? or have you shown all available options?

also: am i correct in remembering that you or someone else here discovered the lil quirks with diff core + % values?

this is what i came up with so far and im thinin some of hte choices even beloww 1.45 suck a nut
startup + 0% = 1.36
startup + 10% = 1.57 and up
1.375 + 10% = 1.53
1.4 + 10% = 1.56
1.425 + 10% = 1.58 ~ 1.6
1.45 + 10% = 1.61 ~ 1.63
and
1.4 + 5% = 1.52

or is there already knowledge out there as to what are good solid values to use?

a_pint_of_milk
10-20-2005, 04:26 PM
Cheers sideeffect, systool definitely done the trick. Seems like a useful wee bastard as well. One other question, what are the normal operating temps for the northbridge?

I ran the prime95 torture test for 15 minutes (which I know isnt very long), just to get an idea of how hot it might get. Systool is reporting
Northbridge (max) = 15c
CPU (max) = 35c
System (max) = 30c





You can use speedfan or systool to monitor all the temps available.

I recommend systool as it shows all the correct voltage rails.

link (http://www.techpowerup.com/systool/)

msimax
10-20-2005, 06:25 PM
:help: :help: :help: i cant get into safe mode with winxppro it just bsod and reboots this happens only with my x2 can some one try to duplicate this. only x2 users :help: :help: :help:

msimax
10-20-2005, 06:26 PM
mb is neo2plat

el rolio
10-20-2005, 07:42 PM
side note, i broke the 280x10 barrier. i gotta post some screenies.... but with mem runnin at 200mhz and less. more volts aint really helpin right now.....

1.b original.... im not sure i like it. gonna get the rev2 version... for hte new layout i love so much from 1.c and will use tccd ver.

thanks SE

el rolio
10-20-2005, 09:32 PM
ok fellows, this is where im at. sorry i dont have photoshop installed. i will try and come back to it. maybe i can up the voltage a bit, tho it was superpi that threw the error, leading me to believe it was the memory givng me issues

and here is the cpuz validation http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=44676

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1504/29not16fullscreen2zt.th.jpg (http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29not16fullscreen2zt.jpg)

the ambient temp as read by speedfan on the 6800 is 29 degrees.

thanks to SE and ozzimark so far. still thinkin my memory is givin me issues but maybe its bad secondary timings geting me. maybe i just go with standard bios and not tccd?

sinister1st
10-20-2005, 09:43 PM
Nice opty el r :) . Im making my chrismas list, anyone know the best 2gb sticks for our neo2 's right now :) Im going to upgrade my old AIW 9600xt to a 800xt AIW also, OR i could just go crossfire but why IM at 2.7 AND I already have an X2 4400. Ive bee thinking about this for a while now.

SO whats the scoop on the 2gb goodness, Anyone tried the OCERS EB on this board yet? http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=141226&Category_Code=Unbuffered_OCZ

OR should i go for the crucial? :toast:

el rolio
10-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Nice opty el r :) . Im making my chrismas list, anyone know the best 2gb sticks for our neo2 's right now :) Im going to upgrade my old AIW 9600xt to a 800xt AIW also, OR i could just go crossfire but why IM at 2.7 AND I already have an X2 4400. Ive bee thinking about this for a while now.

SO whats the scoop on the 2gb goodness, Anyone tried the OCERS EB on this board yet? http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=141226&Category_Code=Unbuffered_OCZ

OR should i go for the crucial? :toast:

heh, well you know me, i say OCZ! (i love to simple-rhyme)

aiit folks, got the 32m prime stable. upped ram voltage to 2.75v and also tried a diff combi of VID and % to get where im at of about 1.55 avg.... gosh i hate neo2 fluctuating vcore.

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/7306/29pistablefullscreen5pv.th.jpg (http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29pistablefullscreen5pv.jpg)

as it stands now im done for tonight. gonna start a prime blend test? i guues thats the best to do and let it run till morn. should be a good 7 hours and hopefully it runs thru the night. *wish me luck!

Mehran
10-21-2005, 01:39 AM
Are you sure? Check with cpu-z to see what your memory is at. In bios it wont tell you the correct frequency when you set 183.



I think the problem is just at POST where it displays your memory 'speed'. It says 'DDR 200' instead of whatever... DDR 366? or so. Also when you look at your clock speed in the bios, I think it messes up and displays something crazy.

But it should be working with a 183 divider effectively.

Thx both of u. I'm sure! Even MemTest shows me 200!!!
I have to run @ 183 divider. My RAM is running tooooooooo slow.
It can hit 250 but currently at 220!
Any suggestions?

StickBoy
10-21-2005, 06:37 AM
I have a question regarding the SATA lock on the Neo2.

Currently, I have 2 SATA drives, which are on SATA3 and SATA4. I wish to add another SATA drive, which means I have to put it on either SATA1 or SATA2.

I also OC my system. I'm running a 3200+ at 240 x 10 = 2.4Ghz. I'm also using BIOS 1.36mod, and I haven't upgraded because I've had no reason to, since everything is working.

I was under the impression that when OCing, you should not use SATA1 and SATA2 because they are not locked. With the new BIOS is this still the case? Can I OC and use SATA1 and SATA2 without data corruption?

Any help appreciated.
=========================
My system:
Neo2
AMD64 3200+: 240HTT x 10, at 1.550v
OCZ Plat R2, 2x512MB at 2-2-2-5 2.6v
ATI X800 AGP
WD Raptor 36GB and WD 250GB

Nossie
10-21-2005, 07:57 AM
I was under the impression that when OCing, you should not use SATA1 and SATA2 because they are not locked. With the new BIOS is this still the case? Can I OC and use SATA1 and SATA2 without data corruption?



if you still wanna OC dont use SATA1 & 2 ( still not locked ), maby you can buy a PCI SATA card or something for the hd you wanna add.

el rolio
10-21-2005, 09:54 AM
or jst get a PATA ddrive and plugg it in there.

StickBoy
10-21-2005, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the replys.

Even if it's not the answer I wanted. :mad:

msimax
10-21-2005, 06:04 PM
guess no one has x2 ?? but i idid a fresh install and no more bsod for now it used to load in safe mode and after giveio.sys it would bluescreen but i couldnt read the error. but on a good note i got my ram back and its doing 285 with no errors so ill push higher :->

msimax
10-21-2005, 06:09 PM
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8210/imga02760yz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6690/imga02781ga.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


got new heat spreaders too :D

msimax
10-21-2005, 06:15 PM
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9289/imga02793zc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
all at 1t .. so it was the mem sideeffect :woot:

msimax
10-21-2005, 06:16 PM
Heh thats funny :p: Did you have to do any chipset voltage mods msimax?

Your almost up to DDR2 speeds in that pic :cool:

If you find more stable timings in windows for the memory ill make u a custom bios that sets them on bios boot if you want.


i might have to take u up on that offer

Losphoron
10-22-2005, 02:28 AM
this thread will never die too soon.... :P..a little offtopic :P

FlyingHamster
10-22-2005, 01:06 PM
what vdimm and bios are u using msimax? those look like some nice sticks :)

Mehran
10-22-2005, 01:44 PM
What the hell?!
What is this new problem I have?
Can't hit HTT 280 ro avobe! I'm about to puke. What's the problem? What should I do? I easily could reach even 320 now stucking at 275.
What's wrong with this board? i didn't like it the first day i bought it.

sideeffect
10-22-2005, 02:51 PM
You should have sent it back then.

msimax
10-22-2005, 02:53 PM
what vdimm and bios are u using msimax? those look like some nice sticks :)


SE 1.cb3 tccd or something like that at 2.68v

el rolio
10-22-2005, 07:07 PM
SE 1.cb3 tccd or something like that at 2.68v


2.68? how? there is a setting for that voltage?

msimax
10-22-2005, 07:39 PM
heres how

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1028636&postcount=2757

msimax
10-22-2005, 08:48 PM
and i soldered a wire from the mb so i can adj down to 0.01v accuracy

Zeus...
10-23-2005, 04:16 AM
What the hell?!
What is this new problem I have?
Can't hit HTT 280 ro avobe! I'm about to puke. What's the problem? What should I do? I easily could reach even 320 now stucking at 275.
What's wrong with this board? i didn't like it the first day i bought it.


maybe its the mem controler starting to fade! mine has on two 939cpus :mad:

Lestat
10-23-2005, 04:22 AM
yup ive had the memcontroller/cpu fade on 2 amd64 chips also.

its like if you overclock them and beat them real hard they are weak and they fade out. until you cant overclock very far at all.
both of mine faded down to about 250mhz max stable.

what happens if you lower the ram to 166 or 133 and run the same HTT or higher ?

el rolio
10-23-2005, 05:55 AM
hey all, well im stable at 2.9, bu i dont liek the amount of voltage i have to put to itt to get there. reason is becuz of the way the voltage fluctuates so wildy on this mobo. yall know of some way to add something to the board to steady the vcore out? let me know mane!

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1514/29stablehot7nb.th.png (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29stablehot7nb.png)

Borre
10-23-2005, 07:11 AM
Hi,
I just installed the 1.BRev2 TCCD bios on my Neo2. Then i booted up and everything went well, but now when I want to get into bios the only thing that comes up when I press del is a black screen with a blinking line.
What should I do?

sinister1st
10-23-2005, 07:22 AM
Borre ENABLE k/b storrage support. :toast:

Borre
10-23-2005, 07:24 AM
hm don't really understand what you mean :/
where do I do that?

sinister1st
10-23-2005, 07:32 AM
Go into bios and enable usb k/b storrage support. No flashing cursor

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1038613#post1038613 :toast:

Borre
10-23-2005, 07:32 AM
No, I use a TT Big Typhoon.
That's exactly the same as I get, but I have no problem to boot into windows as long as I don't push del :/

sinister1st: Thanks a lot! I will try it in just a moment

sinister1st
10-23-2005, 07:41 AM
@Ssider This is a problem with the new bios (on my board anyway). If he does a full shut down he will be able to go into bios, but on a RESTART :nono: upon entering bios you will get a blank cursor UNLESS usb k/b storrage support is enabled. I drove myself crazy when this happened to me :slap: :) but it worked. And i flashed the bios about 3 times and cleared the HELL out of cmos and its still there. Just a aggrivating bug i guess. I want to know if this happens to EVERYONE or just a few? I never got to see all the other errors that people were encountering like ENVOKE ROM or the other little goodies either.

Borre
10-23-2005, 07:42 AM
sinister1st: Thanks a lot! It worked.

sinister1st
10-23-2005, 07:49 AM
Touchdown!! Good I bet that stopped you from pulling your hair out :) So that is another with this problem so We know that it does happen thats a few so far on this forum i seen a few at msi. :toast:

el rolio
10-23-2005, 09:17 AM
Sinister, I had no idea...I am using BIOS v1.A0 and only have that problem, like I said, when my cooling goes below 0º. It's a handy trick to know for the future though, thanks...

Borre, I am glad you got it working.


yea man, sideeffect made a revised version of the bios for folsk like you with sub zer ocooling so you dont get affected by that bug

sinister, i did have that same blinking cursor thing a while back with one of these 1.X bioses, but at the time it was confirmed here to be about the usb support.... and well.... at the time i was pissed it was disabled by default, since i use a usb keyboard, which is why it seems all the bioses SE modded since then comes with all them thing enabled by default. awesome.

no more funny msg, no more blinking cursor.

Rbreb13
10-23-2005, 10:45 AM
@Ssider This is a problem with the new bios (on my board anyway). If he does a full shut down he will be able to go into bios, but on a RESTART :nono: upon entering bios you will get a blank cursor UNLESS usb k/b storrage support is enabled. I drove myself crazy when this happened to me :slap: :) but it worked. And i flashed the bios about 3 times and cleared the HELL out of cmos and its still there. Just a aggrivating bug i guess. I want to know if this happens to EVERYONE or just a few? I never got to see all the other errors that people were encountering like ENVOKE ROM or the other little goodies either.Thats a good bit of info. :toast:

Borre
10-23-2005, 10:53 AM
so now, everything works perfect with the new bios except one thing. I have problems to boot with 9x multi :/ any idea why?

Mehran
10-24-2005, 08:01 AM
You should have sent it back then.

U think it's Mobo's fault? I think so... .

Mehran
10-24-2005, 08:02 AM
maybe its the mem controler starting to fade! mine has on two 939cpus :mad:
WHAT!? Memory controller fading?
What do u mean? I mean what happenes? What causes the problem?
What should I do?

Mehran
10-24-2005, 08:07 AM
yup ive had the memcontroller/cpu fade on 2 amd64 chips also.

its like if you overclock them and beat them real hard they are weak and they fade out. until you cant overclock very far at all.
both of mine faded down to about 250mhz max stable.

what happens if you lower the ram to 166 or 133 and run the same HTT or higher ?

Wait. I don't get it! FADE!? R we running a circus?! :D
Why is that?
and What do u mean by saying what happenes.
I run my mems at 100 divider and can reach the highest HTT at 285! (PUKE)

Schwede
10-24-2005, 08:34 AM
Finally my account is activated!! :)
Could someone of you folks please help me with my neo2?
Two Problems:
1) After POST and just before the Windows Bootscreen shows up, the whole system hangs for about 20 seconds (at least). I tried different Bios Versions (1.B, 1.A mod, 1.8 and 1.5 which was installed first) and all do the same sort of s...
2) When I try to get my CPU Speed up to 2400 (2200 no problem), the systems freezes a few seconds after reaching the WinXP-Logon Screen. Never earlier, never later, just at that Logon Screen.
The Voltages can be between 1.35 and 1.5 Volts, the RAM Divider at 166 or 133 and at slow timings, it always freezes at the same position.

My system:
Neo2 Platinum,
3200 Venice E6
4x512MB Corsair VS CL2.5
R9800Pro
Samsung HD160JJ

Oh, and temps seem to be OK, as long as I can trust the Hardware Monitor in the BIOS.

PLZ :help:

menlatin
10-24-2005, 08:59 PM
hhm.. seems maybe i have this cpu fading thing as well, earlier in the day i could hit 2706, and 2 days ago i could hit 2740, before that i was able to go 2777. Each one crashed after a couple hrs with votlage ranging from 1.36 to 1.52, and right now i'm losing prime after a few minutes at 1.42 and 9x281 = 2534. this is getting really annoying.

also my temps are reading 48*, and that just has to be bull :banana::banana::banana::banana: because just built a very bad ass water block and i know my water temps are in the mod to high 20's, so there is NO WAY that my cpu is at 48*. I even touched the water block and it BARLEY feels warm. Idle is 43C and and now 50 full load. I know DFI boards are a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to set, but i dont know if it can be more than this board has been to me. Also, it seems like maybe one stick of my ram is going bad too. I get blue screens and dumps with one stick and a bunch of memtest errors. With the other stick i got 3 erros in 3 minutes, but atleast it doesnt BSOD as often.

Draxx
10-25-2005, 01:22 AM
Finally my account is activated!! :)
Could someone of you folks please help me with my neo2?
Two Problems:
1) After POST and just before the Windows Bootscreen shows up, the whole system hangs for about 20 seconds (at least). I tried different Bios Versions (1.B, 1.A mod, 1.8 and 1.5 which was installed first) and all do the same sort of s...
2) When I try to get my CPU Speed up to 2400 (2200 no problem), the systems freezes a few seconds after reaching the WinXP-Logon Screen. Never earlier, never later, just at that Logon Screen.
The Voltages can be between 1.35 and 1.5 Volts, the RAM Divider at 166 or 133 and at slow timings, it always freezes at the same position.

My system:
Neo2 Platinum,
3200 Venice E6
4x512MB Corsair VS CL2.5
R9800Pro
Samsung HD160JJ

Oh, and temps seem to be OK, as long as I can trust the Hardware Monitor in the BIOS.

PLZ :help:


The E6 revision from what I have seen isn't a very good clocker. My house mates 3000+ E6 just will not go above 2.3GHz so he runs at 2.25GHz at 1.45v.

Mehran
10-25-2005, 03:17 AM
Finally my account is activated!! :)
Could someone of you folks please help me with my neo2?
Two Problems:
1) After POST and just before the Windows Bootscreen shows up, the whole system hangs for about 20 seconds (at least). I tried different Bios Versions (1.B, 1.A mod, 1.8 and 1.5 which was installed first) and all do the same sort of s...
2) When I try to get my CPU Speed up to 2400 (2200 no problem), the systems freezes a few seconds after reaching the WinXP-Logon Screen. Never earlier, never later, just at that Logon Screen.
The Voltages can be between 1.35 and 1.5 Volts, the RAM Divider at 166 or 133 and at slow timings, it always freezes at the same position.

My system:
Neo2 Platinum,
3200 Venice E6
4x512MB Corsair VS CL2.5
R9800Pro
Samsung HD160JJ

Oh, and temps seem to be OK, as long as I can trust the Hardware Monitor in the BIOS.

PLZ :help:

Hey. About yor first problem. I know something. Mine had the same also. it freezes for about half a minute and then the logo shows up. apperantly HDD problems. Like DMA or PIO. Set all your drives running in PIO mode and then test. Mine is 80GB IDE interface I changed my primary and secondary divices and that fixed my prob.

Mehran
10-25-2005, 03:19 AM
No body answered me. What's the problem?!
FADING?!

Nossie
10-25-2005, 04:05 AM
No body answered me. What's the problem?!
FADING?!

if you overclock your processor, then after some weeks your overclock is "FADING" away. so you cant get the results anymore you got in the past.

(this is only happening with some people that are stressing there cpu to much i think)

menlatin
10-25-2005, 04:26 AM
^^do you think 1.5v and 2.7ghz too much for an x2 3800?

Schwede
10-25-2005, 04:35 AM
Hey. About yor first problem. I know something. Mine had the same also. it freezes for about half a minute and then the logo shows up. apperantly HDD problems. Like DMA or PIO. Set all your drives running in PIO mode and then test. Mine is 80GB IDE interface I changed my primary and secondary divices and that fixed my prob.

Sounds like a good hint, I'll try that later.
Thx

D4nnyOcean
10-25-2005, 04:50 AM
@Ssider This is a problem with the new bios (on my board anyway). If he does a full shut down he will be able to go into bios, but on a RESTART :nono: upon entering bios you will get a blank cursor UNLESS usb k/b storrage support is enabled. I drove myself crazy when this happened to me :slap: :) but it worked. And i flashed the bios about 3 times and cleared the HELL out of cmos and its still there. Just a aggrivating bug i guess. I want to know if this happens to EVERYONE or just a few? I never got to see all the other errors that people were encountering like ENVOKE ROM or the other little goodies either.
Thanks for the tip. I thought I had a bad bios flash. Now I know its just bad bios programming.

phobix
10-25-2005, 04:53 AM
Well you would be relieved to know that it also affects the official MSI release bios as well... Try SYAR's bios on msicomputer.com forums as an alternative.

Jigga0o7
10-25-2005, 05:39 AM
Oh man something went wrong for me. I was ocing and screwing around with 3dmark with the 32OO+ venice at 2.75ghz on 1.6v. It froze and I didnt turn it off till like 5 seconds later, and now I can't get it to boot at all. It just does nothing, so did I kill the athlon (question mark keys broken on this notebook. It would be a shame since I got just got the athlon about 12 hours ago.

Draxx
10-25-2005, 05:42 AM
Try resetting the cmos.

TiTaNiUm
10-25-2005, 08:22 AM
Hey all, ive been getting some good stuff from this thread, now i have an issue. I flashed my Bios from the 1.8 to the 1.B, now if i change the CPU Vid in anyway, or the CPU Ratio my system posts with a multy of x5 and runs at half speed. also right now i have my system set running at 260x10 mem running 260mhz. But the Bios says my CPU is at 40 and mem at 400...Any ideas? thx
my cpu is a 3200 Venice.

Rustedimpala
10-25-2005, 08:39 AM
Hey all, ive been getting some good stuff from this thread, now i have an issue. I flashed my Bios from the 1.8 to the 1.B, now if i change the CPU Vid in anyway, or the CPU Ratio my system posts with a multy of x5 and runs at half speed. also right now i have my system set running at 260x10 mem running 260mhz. But the Bios says my CPU is at 40 and mem at 400...Any ideas? thx
my cpu is a 3200 Venice.

I had the same problem. I have just stayed with 1.8, it seems to work the best with the Venice core.

Mehran
10-25-2005, 12:20 PM
if you overclock your processor, then after some weeks your overclock is "FADING" away. so you cant get the results anymore you got in the past.

(this is only happening with some people that are stressing there cpu to much i think)

Thx.
But why is that? u mean any one stressing the CPU will end up like that?

Zeus...
10-25-2005, 01:16 PM
Thx.
But why is that? u mean any one stressing the CPU will end up like that?

May or may not and when it happens varies form CPU to CPU- your only guarantee is STD.

But these AMD64 dont last like the Bartons do.

Think I will be spending more on the Raw CPU power in future and not hoping for a good overclock (which may fade - both off mine have and I am left at 3200PR+ which buy chance just happens to be what I was running my Bartons at over a year ago - which r still running at 3200PR+ in the kids PCs)

sideeffect
10-25-2005, 03:09 PM
Strange most of the people who talk about overclocks fading seem to have 3000 or 3200 + cpus.

I havnt noticed any fading yet on my 3700+. Fingers crossed. I'm about to buy a opteron 146 for my mums pc im building :p:

If its really really good cpu she might end up with a san diego 3700 but it would have to be a 3ghz on air chip :cool:

Sucks that my mum is going to get a Nforce 4 with opteron 939 2gb of memory and a 19 inch tft :mad: And i have to build it then give it away :slobber:

hypermood
10-25-2005, 04:12 PM
Strange most of the people who talk about overclocks fading seem to have 3000 or 3200 + cpus.
I've suffered the dreaded fade on a Winchester 3000+. The chip was never a great overclocker, but it went from 24hr prime stable at 1.5V, 250x9, 2.5-3-3-10 to not passing prime even at stock. In the end, running prime with 2-2-2-7 timings at stock speeds would fail in moments - something that I know the chip was capable of when new. The fade took about a month to set in.

Replaced the CPU with a Clawhammer 3500+ in the same system and everything was solved.

phobix
10-25-2005, 04:25 PM
I've suffered the dreaded fade on a Winchester 3000+. The chip was never a great overclocker, but it went from 24hr prime stable at 1.5V, 250x9, 2.5-3-3-10 to not passing prime even at stock. In the end, running prime with 2-2-2-7 timings at stock speeds would fail in moments - something that I know the chip was capable of when new. The fade took about a month to set in.

Replaced the CPU with a Clawhammer 3500+ in the same system and everything was solved.

This happened to me with my first winchester 3200+ which was originally air-cooled. It is the excess heat that affects these chips as my second one (3000+) went on happily for a year in my prommy @ 2.8ghz never ever giving me a problem.

Whap
10-25-2005, 07:09 PM
Hi, got a problem with my neo2 plat, am new to this motherboard and not to sure on some of its faults, I flashed straight to 1.b bios no problems

The main fault I have is running my 148 Operton on a divider e.g.:

2.8 – 2.9GHz on 1/1 is fine rock solid this running 2 x 512 crucial ballistix.

If I try this on a 166 divider at above speeds (10 x 290) it’s also completely stable in windows, but once the system has been powered down it will not reboot need to clear cmos. Have tried all voltages and HTT multis 2x 2.5x 3x etc.

Any ideas, I’m thinking maybe the bios flash didn’t work to well.

TIA

msimax
10-25-2005, 08:59 PM
Hi, got a problem with my neo2 plat, am new to this motherboard and not to sure on some of its faults, I flashed straight to 1.b bios no problems

The main fault I have is running my 148 Operton on a divider e.g.:

2.8 – 2.9GHz on 1/1 is fine rock solid this running 2 x 512 crucial ballistix.

If I try this on a 166 divider at above speeds (10 x 290) it’s also completely stable in windows, but once the system has been powered down it will not reboot need to clear cmos. Have tried all voltages and HTT multis 2x 2.5x 3x etc.

Any ideas, I’m thinking maybe the bios flash didn’t work to well.

TIA



sometimes i get that same prob i just keep hitting reset about 3 or 4 times till it post

sideeffect
10-25-2005, 11:25 PM
Yes its a cold boot problem Whap. You might have better luck with 1.8 bios which seemed to scale to higher HTT before cold boot started happening. Or you could set all your parameters then boot with bios set to lower speed and raise clock in windows.

Or instead of shutting PC down restart it and lower HTT then turn off pc when you reboot it should boot and you can raise clock again. Thats a bit of a hassle everytime though :p:

ridczak
10-26-2005, 02:04 AM
Hi all again,
after sending back OCZ Gold I installed 2x512 Geil Ultra-x (BH-5 UTT) + OCZ Booster and hae still problems. With even stock settings (2.8V Vdimm) system cannot load Windows with CR 1T - it resets when Windows desktop appears (OCZ worked at least with such settings :(). Strangly, changing to 1T in A64 Tweaker (boot with 2T) is possible and system is stable. Changing timings doesn't help, only 2T works within bios? WHY? Memory probably not, so it leaves mainboard, cpu or I set-up something wrong (bios 1c, tried stock & 250/div166, Vdimm 2.75 - 2.85).

ps. OCZ Booster for now is not mounted because my Enermax doesn't support -5V rail & led display doesn't work :(

@Nossie

How Ultra-x is working with your system?

Mehran
10-26-2005, 05:19 AM
May or may not and when it happens varies form CPU to CPU- your only guarantee is STD.

But these AMD64 dont last like the Bartons do.

Think I will be spending more on the Raw CPU power in future and not hoping for a good overclock (which may fade - both off mine have and I am left at 3200PR+ which buy chance just happens to be what I was running my Bartons at over a year ago - which r still running at 3200PR+ in the kids PCs)
Really?!
sorry to hear that.
So my overclocking is now fading? :(

el rolio
10-26-2005, 05:51 AM
hey i was wondering. the new bioses stil exhibit that sneaky issue where you set 2-2-2 timings butt if you over a certain voltage it goes to 2-3-2?

lemme know.
and i have had some cold boot issues, but not with my 290x10... only if ive tried over that (to get around mem controller issues with the optie to try to get mem speed up)

maybe i can try 1.8 again for higher htt, or i can try it in windows first to see... anyhoo wondering big time about hte ram timings vs voltage

Nossie
10-26-2005, 06:57 AM
@Nossie

How Ultra-x is working with your system?

My Ultra-x bh5 + ddrbooster sucks on my neo2. cant get any higher then 218mhz with them on this board. tried serveral bioses and almost every setting in the bios and a64tweaker, but higher then 218mhz = no go :( even if i put 3.6v on them. ( i have the 54-G neo2 version, can hit 300+HHT with a memory divider. )

but until 218mhz i can use the tightest timings etc with only 3.1v. so i think this board is holding me back, or a verrry crappy cpu memcontroller.

( in the DFI nf4 board at my work these sticks do 240mhz 2-2-2-5 EASY 3.3v ).

and btw, these sticks need 2.9+v in order to get them stable @ 200mhz 2-2-2-5 1T. Without a ddr-booster try 200mhz 2-3-3-6 @ 2.85v then they will run great.

Whap
10-26-2005, 08:41 AM
Yes its a cold boot problem Whap. You might have better luck with 1.8 bios which seemed to scale to higher HTT before cold boot started happening. Or you could set all your parameters then boot with bios set to lower speed and raise clock in windows.

Or instead of shutting PC down restart it and lower HTT then turn off pc when you reboot it should boot and you can raise clock again. Thats a bit of a hassle everytime though :p:

Hi Thanks for the replies was actually driving me quite nuts :) with about 200 clearing of the cmos I think I will leave it at 1/1 makes life all so much easier.

Have found that the crucial ballistix scales nicely 11 x 264MHz 1/1 @ 2.5 / 3 /3 / 8 / 2T – 1T goes out the window after 250MHz.

One other slight annoyance soz if it’s already been covered but my Optical mouse stays lit when the system has been powered off, is this normal, but on a plus note I can find the computer in the dark :bounces:

Thanks Whap

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ridczak
10-26-2005, 09:24 AM
My Ultra-x bh5 + ddrbooster sucks on my neo2. cant get any higher then 218mhz with them on this board. tried serveral bioses and almost every setting in the bios and a64tweaker, but higher then 218mhz = no go :( even if i put 3.6v on them. ( i have the 54-G neo2 version, can hit 300+HHT with a memory divider. )

but until 218mhz i can use the tightest timings etc with only 3.1v. so i think this board is holding me back, or a verrry crappy cpu memcontroller.

( in the DFI nf4 board at my work these sticks do 240mhz 2-2-2-5 EASY 3.3v ).

and btw, these sticks need 2.9+v in order to get them stable @ 200mhz 2-2-2-5 1T. Without a ddr-booster try 200mhz 2-3-3-6 @ 2.85v then they will run great.

Uuuu, that sucks. I cannot make 1T independently of any timings (tried even 2.5,3,3,9 @ 200MHz). I think I will change the board to Asrock 939Dual-Sata2 or try with another CPU.... I had also problems with OCZ Gold, couldn't make over 200MHz at all, so RAM should be ok I suppose.

Schwede
10-26-2005, 10:59 AM
My system still takes a coffee-break while booting, although I messed around with many of the SATA-Controller settings.
BUT, since I raised the voltage of my RAM to 2.7, I am able to reach a HTT of 295 with a divider of 133 and a multiplier of 9. At 300 it isn't going to boot at all.
Any suggestions how I could get the 300 (would be nice to have the ram running at 200Mhz again).
And I still need a solution for the bootup, plz.

sideeffect
10-26-2005, 12:57 PM
Hi Thanks for the replies was actually driving me quite nuts :) with about 200 clearing of the cmos I think I will leave it at 1/1 makes life all so much easier.

Have found that the crucial ballistix scales nicely 11 x 264MHz 1/1 @ 2.5 / 3 /3 / 8 / 2T – 1T goes out the window after 250MHz.

One other slight annoyance soz if it’s already been covered but my Optical mouse stays lit when the system has been powered off, is this normal, but on a plus note I can find the computer in the dark :bounces:

Thanks Whap

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Yes Crucial ballistix arent to bad on Neo2 i run mine at 2.85 volts and they do 250 @ 2.5-2-3-8 at 1T using my ballistix bios. The light on your mouse is probably part of acpi go into bios and Power Management setup. See if something in there is enabled that is causing it to stay powered.

What cpu are you using 3700 + ?

sinister1st
10-26-2005, 01:16 PM
Hey guys anyone running 2x 1gb sticks? Im thinking about getting some for christmas. I want 1t. I shouldnt have any problems running them 1t at ddr400 (stock)? I was able to run 4x 512s all four dimms but ddr 333 if I remember right.

sideeffect
10-26-2005, 02:04 PM
Im looking also sinister. Best cheap buy are the crucial 3200 value modules rated at 3-3-3 but apparantly do much better.

GeIL also do a value set for about the same price im trying to find info about that at the moment.

The Crucial ballistix 1gb sticks are a good choice they use handpicked versions of the value micron chips so thats why the value is always worth a lucky purchase.

Anything that uses Infineon memory is good for 1gb modules OCZ is probably the best bet they use handpicked Infineon ram in their top range product and it scales well at good timings. Its expensive though to much for me :mad:

msimax
10-26-2005, 03:06 PM
Yes its a cold boot problem Whap. You might have better luck with 1.8 bios which seemed to scale to higher HTT before cold boot started happening. Or you could set all your parameters then boot with bios set to lower speed and raise clock in windows.

Or instead of shutting PC down restart it and lower HTT then turn off pc when you reboot it should boot and you can raise clock again. Thats a bit of a hassle everytime though :p:


whatever happened to holding the insert key what happend to this feature????

TiTaNiUm
10-26-2005, 04:49 PM
silly question, im trying to flash my bios on my Neo, but in winflash i keep getting a file size error. i even tried using the one in live update, that winflash says the file size doesnt match the bios. any help is appreciated. thx

sinister1st
10-26-2005, 05:18 PM
Titatinum DO NOT USE LIVE UPDATE :) If you like winflash and using it dont restart if you get any errors or you will kill your bios chip. Just keep flashing it untill it works and use the 1.76 version. Check all boxes and dont let the program restart for you. Shut down manually after flash and unlplug psu and clear cmos/then go into bios and load failsafe/optimixed defualts. And when using winflash make sure you dont have any other programs running in the background (at all) ALSO make sure when flashing you are at failsafe defaults or stock.

SE thanks i was thinking the same about the crucial :toast: but i think they have to use alot of volts right?

sideeffect
10-26-2005, 05:29 PM
whatever happened to holding the insert key what happend to this feature????

Died with 1.8 :(

sideeffect
10-26-2005, 05:31 PM
SE thanks i was thinking the same about the crucial :toast: but i think they have to use alot of volts right?

No They dont like voltage that much. 2.85 should be more than enough. If the Geil turn out to be infineon chips though they have to be a better buy.

sinister1st
10-26-2005, 06:43 PM
thanks SE are those these?

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.Asp?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864L503 :)


or there is the cheaper set i think Z503s

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.Asp?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864Z503

The 503s are 300 bucks the trackers 400. Is it just a hundred dollars more for the leds :) ?

Breathless
10-26-2005, 07:04 PM
Sorry if this has been answered already....

Am I correct by saying that the first picture at the beginning of this thread is showing the Ram sticks in a "SINGLE CHANNEL" configuration?

I am trying to find a Socket 939 board that OC's like a maniac yet has this spacing between the rams because my ram sticks have heatsinks epoxied to them and need space. I can only see the Asus A8V Deluxe as the only other decent board with this configuration. :(

I keep seeing people saying "this board is different than other 939 boards" but the wierd thing is that almost all of the other 939 boards have the side by side dual channel configuration, so to me it doesn't seem all that different :confused:

Thanks.

sinister1st
10-26-2005, 07:36 PM
Yes breathless, side by side but different colors is dual channel with this board.

el rolio
10-26-2005, 07:53 PM
heh 939 but if you have pci express, get a dfi, they ahve the space between the slots.

sideeffect
10-26-2005, 09:34 PM
thanks SE are those these?

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.Asp?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864L503 :)


or there is the cheaper set i think Z503s



http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.Asp?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864Z503

The 503s are 300 bucks the trackers 400. Is it just a hundred dollars more for the leds :) ?

Yes lol the most expensive LEDS I have ever seen. The memory chips are the same I really dont get Crucials pricing they keep making mistakes like that. I would buy the $300 set thats a major bargain. Its cheaper than the 3200 value set. Maybe they made a mistake with the price. In England if they make a mistake they have to sell it for published price dont know about states but it is seriously a bargain.

They're selling them in England for 140 dollars more ........ just love that :confused:

sinister1st
10-26-2005, 10:30 PM
Looks like Ill have to make a choice between the ocz eb or the crucial. Maybe something else will pop up before xmas. :toast: