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msimax
08-26-2005, 12:56 PM
hey Xyus89 i have a problem im trying to solve with x2 if i set the cpu to 2ghz and im in win when i use clockgen to overclock say to 2.5 everything shows my overclock except
bench scores. i want to see if u can duplicate this or if its just my system ex. set stock speed in bios load win use sandra or whatever and get a score the overclock using clock gen and get the score. the problem with me is that the benchs follow what ever my bios is set to. doesnt matter if im at 3.0 i get 2.0 scores same with mem benches.. it will show your overclock in corecenter,cpuz whatever but the actual speed isnt there but if i overclock in bios everything is fast...



if any experienced this let me know

msimax
08-26-2005, 01:48 PM
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5033/test1xh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/4826/test26jl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

msimax
08-26-2005, 01:52 PM
this means i cant get to 3.0 cause it will keep rebooting before i can get in windows and add more voltage with corecenter :mad: :mad: :mad:

Sonic9
08-26-2005, 02:05 PM
CD what's timings/frequency/volt for your tccd ? especailly on Twtr/Trtw/Twr & Trrd :) ?

CD 1986
08-26-2005, 02:20 PM
CD what's timings/frequency/volt for your tccd ? especailly on Twtr/Trtw/Twr & Trrd :) ?
Currently i run it at 270mhz...although it tops out at around 280mhz using 2.5-3-3 timings, and 2.5-4-4 gives too much of a performance hit i find. It seems to like lower voltages better, 2.6-2.7v, but i've found 2.70v to be the best for my particular memory.

Timings i use:

Trc = 12
Trfc = 18
Twtr = 2
Trtw = 3
Twr = 3
Trrd = 3

I don't think the looser timings, even the Trrd at 3 instead of 2, decrease the performance noticeably, but helps stabilise it at higher clocks. :)

ElAguila
08-26-2005, 05:29 PM
I tried the rev2 tccd bios and for some reason my memory didn't like that bios. I am not sure what memory these patriot sticks use. I went back to rev2 and things are much better now. I thought about trying the ballistix bios.

D3kMatrix
08-26-2005, 06:05 PM
CD whats the week code on ur TCCDs?

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 06:54 AM
Just one thing D3kMatrix you forgot to mention in your bios list that my mod enables the 150 and 183 dividers which is the main reason for the bios :p:

CD 1986
08-27-2005, 07:13 AM
CD whats the week code on ur TCCDs?
Don't know what week they are. Heatspreaders mean i can't see what's on the chips, and CPU-z doesn't show the manufacture date of the chips either...comes out as 00000000000 or something like that.

D3kMatrix
08-27-2005, 09:05 AM
Just one thing D3kMatrix you forgot to mention in your bios list that my mod enables the 150 and 183 dividers which is the main reason for the bios :p:

Fixed, thanks :D

Dunno how I missed the best option :P

Also as of right now for the R2, TCCD, and Ballisitx editions in the details I just say "- Same as v1.A0 Rev1 Plus…"
Do you think I could be clearer if I just listed ALL of options in each box for each of the modified BIOS?


Don't know what week they are. Heatspreaders mean i can't see what's on the chips, and CPU-z doesn't show the manufacture date of the chips either...comes out as 00000000000 or something like that.

Doh, aight thanks

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 09:17 AM
Yes thats good now nice and clear.

Nice list you have there now. :toast:

D3kMatrix
08-27-2005, 09:23 AM
=)

Also added the v1.A4 MOD that Murdok requested.

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 09:57 AM
Probably better to add murdoks version of the 1.A4 all i did was unlock the dividers for him to make the mod I didnt do anytthing else to the bios like unhide options or enable usb 2.0 etc. So its pretty bare.

The 1.A4 xmod can be got from here Download (http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php%3Fthreadid%3D18572%26page%3D3%26sid%3Dc 9b4cf415ec0184158b9a38decdaa1db&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1.8mod%2Bk8n%2Bneo%2B2%2Bbios%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)

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D3kMatrix
08-27-2005, 11:42 AM
Updated

I never even knew about that BIOS, anymore I'm missing?

Kinda hard to keep track of the german forum :P

BTW: SE ur 1.A0 R1 saved my ass today, I need to RMA my G.Skills cuz they won't run in spec, so I'm running my friends BH5 and the 150MHz divider worked perfect for me =)
280x10 w/ 150 = 210MHz @ 2-3-2-10 2.85v

So thanks for all ur work you have done here, really helps out =)

CD 1986
08-27-2005, 12:25 PM
*Drum Role*

New bios from SE about to be tested...a version of 1.A with voltage options up to 18% :D

D3kMatrix
08-27-2005, 12:55 PM
good luck =)

If it works im sure there will be a lot of happy water/phase users out there :P

CD 1986
08-27-2005, 01:19 PM
Bit off-topic, but was looking at your 24hr Prime screenshot...noticed you have it on priority 1...will it still pass for that long on priority 9/10?

Lestat
08-27-2005, 01:42 PM
soooooo ???? is this rev 4 just the TCCD version ? ballistix version ??

im a little lost here fellas your releasing too many bios's too fast...

so whats with the rev 4 ?

CD 1986
08-27-2005, 01:48 PM
Do you mean the 1.A4?

That's just a beta, relesased before the official 1.A. Sideeffect's working on putting the extra voltages into the bios...so that could end up being a rev4.

Lestat
08-27-2005, 01:56 PM
well lets see we have the tccd version the ballistic version the Xmod which i thinhk is the ballistic version then there is rev 1 rev 2 then if you look over at the german site there is a few other versions..

please guys put change log files with the bios's this rar or zip with nothing but a bin file is giving me a headache i dont know what bios does what.

pretty please can you do that. ?


i guess at this point it dont matter simply cuz until MSI fixes the issue with PCI ide and SATA cards i cant use the 1.AX bios... so...

D3kMatrix
08-27-2005, 02:11 PM
Bit off-topic, but was looking at your 24hr Prime screenshot...noticed you have it on priority 1...will it still pass for that long on priority 9/10?

heh never noticed that, I'm sure it would tho.
I'll try some later.



please guys put change log files with the bios's this rar or zip with nothing but a bin file is giving me a headache I don’t know what bios does what.

pretty please can you do that. ?
.

All of the BIOS's that Sideeffect has been releasing do have .rtf documents that contain change logs.

And the description for each BIOS on the site in my sig should help too :P

And the 1.A4 is an OLD beta BIOS, its not a "Rev#" version because it was out before the official release of 1.A4 and it doesn’t have any changed memory timings, just options unhidden by Murdok and added dividers by Sideeffect.

CD 1986
08-27-2005, 02:32 PM
Unfortunately SE couldn't get the extra voltage options working...

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 02:45 PM
Yes the no change logs winds me up as well thats why i include a full changelog with every bios i release.

The 1.A official mod was my first release the rev 2 was with modified memory timings.

The Ballistix and TCCD release are pretty self explanatory if you have TCCD use one Ballistix use the other. If you have neither use the rev 1 or rev 2.

The German bios files are nothing to do with me. Except the 1.A4 which i modded to include 150 and 183 dividers but I didnt want to release a beta bios so thats Murdok's bios and he has set the defaults for it.

The reason there needs to be a few releases is because MSI hasnt included the memory options and i can only force 1 lot of options on bios boot and one lot wont work with some ram but works well with other ram.

I tried my best to unlock the +13 +15 +18 percent voltage options. Spent a lot of time on it hacked all the code in from the 1.36 bios to the 1.A. Flashed the bios and it wouldnt load bios setup .... So its imposible at this time to add them.

Lestat im now working on a solution to the bad agp performance on some configurations. So hopefully i can make a bios you can use.

desolator
08-27-2005, 03:58 PM
SE
1nce againb, thnx for the ballistix edition man, thts been of like the greatest help to me n
scores are increasing, now i jes wanna get my hands on an XP90 and push this baby to the max :D

thnx alot for the hardwork man and modding teh bios

Lestat
08-27-2005, 05:31 PM
SE the only thing i didnt try was to reflash the video card AFTER i flashed the mobo to see if anything changed.

but since the mobo bios is what caused the flakey performing AGP imnot sure that it would help.

Had you seen other people talking about poor agp performance with that bios also ? or am i the only freak among the bunch. ?

that sucks the 1.36 wont take the memory timings :( wonder why

right now my neo2 is so frekaing goofy.. for no reason i dropped the vdimm down to 2.7v which i had already done many many times and im able to get 2.5-4-3-10 1T@280mhz, there is no explanation as to why its working now on the 1.36 when before it never worked with the 1.36 or 1.8 or 1.Ax just very wierd.

Honestly this bothers me,, its like that final burst before something dies ya know... so im not gunna flash the bios or anything unless i have to..
I guess for right now i'll just not say anymore for fear that my mobo will hear me and go back to not letting me have good memory clocks.

I can also confirm that the 1.Ax also caused sandra benches to go lower. Those memory settings that are hidden and wont show in the bios arent for speed they are pretty much a stability setting so not sure why they would cause sandra to drop.

keep up the good fight and we all thank you many many times over for all the time your putting into this.

Have you contacted MSI yet to let them know some of the things your doing or have found ? Or do you know if Murdock has ? i know he's in contact with them or submit's bug reports.

Lestat
08-27-2005, 05:51 PM
oh of coure they are "never as good as they used to be" thats for sure.

but yeah the neo2's are old,, and ive abused mine lol not severely like heavy mods or anything just pushing the bus as far as she'll go...... alot... lol


M IIIII CCCCCCCCCCCCC K EEEEEE YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

M-O-U-S-E !!!!

sorry guy i had to do it

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 06:25 PM
http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//performance.jpg

Thats my performance with the 1.A ballistix bios 2970mhz cpu. 229mhz ram. The bios definately doesnt suck.

FlyingHamster
08-27-2005, 07:15 PM
hey guys,

first of all, let me explain what the deal is with my comp. about a week ago I used winflash to flash to one of NFM modded bioses. after flashing and it rebooted, it got to the point where it says it says "Verifying DMI Pool Data..." and it just stopped, with a cursor blinking. windows did not load. so today I flashed to sideeffects new tccd bios (thnx lestat) and the flash was successfull, but for some reason it still doesnt want to load windows. it says "Verifying DMI Pool Data..." then just sits there with the cursor blinking. if I reformatted windows would that help? or does this mean that I need to hot flash my bios chip?

any help would be greatly appreciated guys :(

geosin
08-27-2005, 07:31 PM
Anyone noticed that USB2.0 is disabled with the 1.A bios? PCI management screen (during bootup) shows that a 1.0/1.1 USB Controller is detected on my board?!?!!? HELP!!!!

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 07:36 PM
Does it say Verifying DMI Pool Data... ok

And then blink or does it not say ok? If it says ok then it could be that the disk is corupted and thats why windows wont load. If its doesnt say ok it could be that the bios is corupted :p:

I'd tend to think the bios was ok. if you can get that far and pehaps its an issue with your settings. You running at stock right ? Make sure your ram timings are ok. Set cas 2.5 and trp 3 trcd 3. Set cpu voltage to 1.4 volts and ram to 2.7 volts.

Make sure your harddrives are all conected properly and showing up properly in the bios. Disable the Sata ports that your not using and the other devices your not using like lan firewire onboard sound if your using a soundcard.

Did you clear cmos after flashing?

What bios did you use to install windows in the first place? Did you have ACPI enabled or disabled when you installed windows?

If you put your windows xp cd in the drive and set bios to boot cd first does it boot the windows cd?

Have you swapped the disk drives around at all? Might sound silly but this can cause an issue if you swap your disk drive to another IDE slot. Post back after you tried these things.

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 07:39 PM
Anyone noticed that USB2.0 is disabled with the 1.A bios? PCI management screen (during bootup) shows that a 1.0/1.1 USB Controller is detected on my board?!?!!? HELP!!!!

USB 2.0 is disabled by default on the official 1.A bios if you want to use a 1.A bios with USB 2.0 you need to use a mod bios. You have some choices

syar2003 bios (http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=59711.0)
My Bios (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/view_thread.php?fid=39&tid=40)
Murdoks Bios (http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php%3Fthreadid%3D18572%26threadview%3D0%26h ilight%3D%26hilightuser%3D0%26sid%3D7fbb2b652bf86f 69d7f4fd305383e6d8%26page%3D1&prev=/search%3Fq%3D1.8mod%2Bk8n%2Bneo%2B2%2Bbios%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)

FlyingHamster
08-27-2005, 07:58 PM
thank god, finally figured out what was wrong. as a final attempt, I flashed back to the 1.36b beta I was using, and sure enough windows loaded. so I guess your bios's just dont like my gskill tccd SE. im sure they are great bios's, but I wont be able to use them until I get new ram. :(

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 08:01 PM
I doupt its the ram FlyingHamster. The 1.A mod has some IRQ issues, And AGP issues and you may have not been able to boot because of this. Something MSI needs to work on!

Glad that your pc is working again :)

Lestat
08-27-2005, 08:54 PM
sideeffect the only reason and the one and only reason your getting that high of a sandra memory score is cuz of your cpu running so high.
thats the goofy thing with the A64's in dual channel... the higher the cpu the higher the score... raise your ram but lower the cpu multiplier and you wont even come close to getting that high..

sandra doesnt even know how to measure true memory thruput all its doing is measuring cpu thruput. so to speak

anyways i use sandra too lol so i shouldnt talk lol....

im not the only one who said sandra scores went down but that wasnt your tweaked ballistic version either.

show us what your scores are when you really crank the ram and lower the multiplier .. basically equal it out,,

the only way i can get that high is if i run my ram/htt at around 275-ish and cpu at 2.75ghz


hey SE you wanna take a look at the bios of my gateway M680 XL laptop and see if you can open up the little secret stuff lol.

your saying irq issues had murdock or someone mentioned to you that there was indeed an IRQ issue causing other problems ?


Lastly -

Hamsters issue is the exact same thing that happened to me sideeffect,,,,, it would sit at that message and then not go anywhere.
i just asked Hamster if he has a PCI controller card so ill wait to see what he says.

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 09:16 PM
Yes i get about the same memory scores in 250 x 11 and also 300 x 10 with a 166 divider. Its not all about the cpu speed. Some dividers are faster than others and some multipliers are also faster than others.

Everest is regarded as a more accurate memory benchmark heres my results with current settings. Everest Version 2.20 405.

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//everest.jpg

Wanna play beat my latency :p:

Yes Lestat im talking with some other people that have your AGP issue on my forum take a look. Were trying to work it out join in.

Lestat
08-27-2005, 09:32 PM
i already beat that latency

ocz pc4000 hynix D5 running 290mhz 3.5v 2.5-4-3-10 cpu multi was ehhh i think 9x i cant recall but i equalled the 38ns
so if anyone tells you hynix D5 dont scale very good with more volts they are full of crap and it didnt get as hot has this TCC5 Platinum at 2.8~9 volts.

ill have to try my tcc5 now that its running smooth
ill let ya know lol

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 09:35 PM
If you beat me i dont want to play anymore :slap:

Join in this thread Lestat (http://www.swjka.com/neo2/view_thread.php?fid=42&tid=49)

Lestat
08-27-2005, 09:42 PM
275mhz 1:1 2.75ghz 2.5-4-3-10

39.4ns latency
7188 mem read

but ohhhh i can do better dont you go quitting on me yet.

but if your getting that latency at 2.5-2-2 230mzh or whatever it was then YES thta is definately an impressive show.

275 1:1
2.5-3-3-10
38.7ns
7223 mem read

sideeffect
08-27-2005, 10:07 PM
Nice try Lestat

http://www.swjka.com/k8nneo2bios//latency.jpg

LOL :p:

D3kMatrix
08-27-2005, 10:21 PM
Added 2 more BIOS's

1.A0 MOD1 by Syar
1.A0 MOD1 No Temp by Syar

CD 1986
08-28-2005, 05:21 AM
Nice try Lestat
Not too bad guys, but you can do better i'm sure...

270x10 // 2.5-3-3-8 // 37.1ns latency ;)

Lestat
08-28-2005, 06:45 AM
anyone want to donate a spare rom so i can start my own programing ?

im just not one for A64 tweaker, not only does it defeat the purpose of overclocking in the bios ,since you usually overclock further in windows, and the post and bootup process is very intensive to the system so it stresses your overclock, its very bad for your hardware and windows itself to be jacking around and locking up your system all the time by experimenting in windows. Too big of a chance of corrupting key windows files.

Dr.Leary
08-28-2005, 07:26 AM
I can´t get sideband adressing to stick at disabled. Any Ideas?

geosin
08-28-2005, 07:42 AM
Bios 1.A - USB2.0 disabled ... only 1.0/1.1 avaliable
Went down to 1.9 and the problem was fixed.
Anyone else??

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 08:36 AM
Bios 1.A - USB2.0 disabled ... only 1.0/1.1 avaliable
Went down to 1.9 and the problem was fixed.
Anyone else??

Yes everyone else its been said on the last page and the page just before that. The 1.A official has USB 2.0 disabled by default you need to use a mod bios to have it working.

Lestat
08-28-2005, 08:38 AM
i dont know about you guys but a company who releases a bios with usb 2.0 disabled... well they need to seriously recheck who the devil they have making their bios's

Dr.Leary
08-28-2005, 08:53 AM
Is it only I that have problems with sideband adressing won´t turn off?

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 09:13 AM
Is it only I that have problems with sideband adressing won´t turn off?

You can force it off in windows with the graphics card display panel. I wouldnt turn it off though it costs about 400 - 500 points in 3dmark and you wont get that back by the tiny few extra mhz you get in a overclock.

syar2003
08-28-2005, 10:15 AM
Sideeffect have you looked at the 1B2 bios yet .
Some new options there to support memory re-mapping .

Btw : Nice work on the R2 , TCCD and Ballisix versions
To bad the increased vcore hack didn't work out .

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 10:28 AM
I cant find a link fo that bios syar. Can you send it to me?

Oh you already have, thanks mate.

Dr.Leary
08-28-2005, 10:57 AM
You can force it off in windows with the graphics card display panel. I wouldnt turn it off though it costs about 400 - 500 points in 3dmark and you wont get that back by the tiny few extra mhz you get in a overclock.

Ok. I been having som problems with my 6800le freezing up in BF2 on me and I read on page 84-85 in this thread that it might help. I tried upping the the vagp to 1,8 and the agpbus to 81 Mhz and it helpt :banana: :banana: :banana:
Is it really safe? No chance burning something, is it? :(

syar2003
08-28-2005, 11:00 AM
Well i just flashed to the 1B2 modded , and running at 2.6ghz 11*237*4x with 200 divider.
No big issues found . But the missing pci addon boot seems the same for me.
Don't know about other addin cards though .
Gonna try 2.7ghz with 246*11 with 200 divider now and run a OCCT test.

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 11:09 AM
Ok. I been having som problems with my 6800le freezing up in BF2 on me and I read on page 84-85 in this thread that it might help. I tried upping the the vagp to 1,8 and the agpbus to 81 Mhz and it helpt :banana: :banana: :banana:
Is it really safe? No chance burning something, is it? :(


Check your card temps with systool or the nvidia control panel you can use speedfan too but its slightly off with the reading. If you add a modifier to the reading in the speedfan properties based on the control panel temperatures and leave speefan running when you play it a game it will record the highest and lowest temperatures that the card makes.

As long as your card isnt getting to hot you can disable Nvidia Throttling which is probably whats causing your screen freezes.

Download a program called RivaTunar from HERE (http://downloads.guru3d.com/) Go to Power User then into Nvidia \ Overclocking go to a option called EnablePerfLevelForcing and set to 1. Then save it and i think you need to restart. This should stop throttling.

Yes disabling sideband might help but its not worth it because the performance loss is to great. Also i would turn vagp voltage back to 1.5 and bus speed back to 66 for now. disable Fast writes though as that doesnt effect performance and does help.

If its only battlefront 2 causing problems you might want to try a different set of drivers also.

Dr.Leary
08-28-2005, 11:41 AM
Check your card temps with systool or the nvidia control panel you can use speedfan too but its slightly off with the reading. If you add a modifier to the reading in the speedfan properties based on the control panel temperatures and leave speefan running when you play it a game it will record the highest and lowest temperatures that the card makes.

As long as your card isnt getting to hot you can disable Nvidia Throttling which is probably whats causing your screen freezes.

Download a program called RivaTunar from HERE (http://downloads.guru3d.com/) Go to Power User then into Nvidia \ Overclocking go to a option called EnablePerfLevelForcing and set to 1. Then save it and i think you need to restart. This should stop throttling.

Yes disabling sideband might help but its not worth it because the performance loss is to great. Also i would turn vagp voltage back to 1.5 and bus speed back to 66 for now. disable Fast writes though as that doesnt effect performance and does help.

If its only battlefront 2 causing problems you might want to try a different set of drivers also.

I´m already using Rivatuner and I have already forced performance 3D. So it is not throttling. The card is well watercoold so it´s not a heatproblem.
Yes, it is only in Battlefield 2 that I´m experiencing this problem. I´ve tried so many diffrent drivers i´m about to get really sick of it. Thanks anyway! :)

syar2003
08-28-2005, 12:24 PM
1B2 mod passed OCCT stability test in my rig with the following .
A64 3500 venice 1.45v + 8%
Patriot 2x512 XBLK (TCCD)
246*11 HTT4x
Memory divider 200
with 2.75v weak drive strenght at 2.5-3-3-7 1T
and
TRC=13
TRFC=18
TRRD=3
TRWT=3
Idle Cylcle time=16
Max async Latency=7
Read write que Bypass=8x
Bypass max=4
DQS Skew Mode=off

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 01:46 PM
Havnt checked this new bios out yet. Ill have a look in the code but i doupt ill make a mod bios of this version dont really want to make mod bios's of betas but ill keep up with the betas so im ready to release the official mod when it comes out.

Lestat
08-28-2005, 02:10 PM
can someone who uses a SATA or IDE PCI card please test with these new bios's to see if it does the same thing to you as to me.

the system basically wont go past the post screens unless you have the power unplugged from the drives hooked to that particule PCI card.

i would like to MANUALLY set the device in the bios but frankly ive never had to do that so i dont know what memory address to set it to.

i also dont like the fact that you have to reset the cmos when overclocking fails,, i really really cant stand that lol.

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 02:19 PM
Why are you using a pci ide or sata card with a motherboard that has 4 sata ports and 2 ide ports anyway.

Using a SATA card is just pointless because you get limited to the 133 mb pci bus anyway. Even if your overclocking and cant use 2 of the SATA ports that still leaves 2 open plus 2 on 1 ide slot and 2 dvd drives on the other.

Am i missing something here ? You have more than 6 drives?

msimax
08-28-2005, 02:37 PM
syar2003 how far can u go with your xblk ram as im thinking about gitting some so i can hit 300*10. as all the utt bh5 ive gotten so far was crap..ch5 is good but one of my redline has intermittent probs funny thing is with that stick i get the long beeps.i had the ram sitting on my desk for bout a month, when i got my x2 i just poped it in and it post then after a day i get the beeps already knowing the warr shot cause off removing the heatspreader i put them over the stove and then in the freezer just bored on vacation. :) after bout 4 hours i put it in and it post and it only does it when its cold any iwas looking to get some of this


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5267/xblk4zd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)





let me know if goin to wasting time and money

syar2003
08-28-2005, 03:05 PM
I have the old kit (PDC1G3200+XBLK) PC3200 XBLK 1GB kit of two 512MB modules .

Had them stable at 2.5-4-4-9 1T on 270 (DDR540) . 2.7ghz 1:1 with 10*270 .
Don't remember the voltage I used - but I think it was over 3.1v provided
by the ocz booster and a 80mm fan blowing at them .

So I can't complain
as long as Patriot themselves say :
PC3200 (400MHz) 2-2-2-5-1T 2.6-2.7v
PC3500 (436MHz) 2-3-3-6-1T 2.6-2.7v
PC3700 (466MHz) 2-3-3-6-1T 2.7-2.8v
PC4000 (500MHz) 2.5-3-3-7-1T 2.75-2.85v
PC4200 (533MHz) 3-4-4-8-1T 2.85-2.95v

So they ran the advertised max speed of 533 + a little bit more , and with cas 2.5 .
So I would think the PC4800's youre looking at should perform DDR600 for sure .

Its strange though that those PDC1G4800 xblk is not listed under patriot web site products .

D3kMatrix
08-28-2005, 03:12 PM
Msimax haven't u ever herd of the crop tool? :P

btw is thread subscription broken or something? I haven't been getting any emails for this thread...

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 03:28 PM
Yes msimax if you limit your pictures to 800 pixels width they will fit nicely in this forum and not piss everyone off. There you have a picture that is like 400 pixels wide with 800 pixels of white background ...

msimax
08-28-2005, 04:29 PM
sorry

heres the link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220140

CD 1986
08-28-2005, 06:13 PM
You should also remember that whilst the memory and mobo might by able to handle 300mhz, the CPU may not because of the mem controller. For instance, my memory does 278mhz @ 2.5-3-3-7 fine, but at 279mhz it is not even stable at 2.5-4-4-8 when in dual channel, so that is most likely to be the mem controller causing the bottleneck.

This is emphasised by the fact that i can run one stick of memory at 300mhz @ 2.5-4-4-8 without problems, and run my cpu with much less voltage in single channel mode, showing that the mem controller is not good at handling dual channel with high mem speeds in most cases.

Lestat
08-28-2005, 07:41 PM
thats a good point to remind people of CD i think many people forget that dual channel mode just kills a cpu with a flakey mem controlller like 90% of all A64's out there. wish like hell they would fix it and fix it forever.


Sideeffect i do believe i solved the PCI IDE card no boot issue.

I simply turned on RAID on SATA 3 and added my Raptor to a Single Drive Stripe. (basically this is not a raid stripe. it just adds the Stripe blocking and it MAY MAY cause the drive to run in burst mode all the time but i cant confirm that last part.)

anyways once i did that i am now able to boot up to the Windows CD which i was never able to do before.. and i have formatted a partition and it rebooted and is now loading windows fine.

so it looks likewith 1.9 and up if you have a PCI IDE controller card or SATA card you MUST enable raid in the NVRAID options.
i cant confirm if you MUST have a drive on it or not but keep that in mind.


Im reloadeding rightnow with APIC ON so ill let you know how my performance is ina little while

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 07:52 PM
Thats good news Lestat. Now if you can just get the graphics card performing well with the 1.A bios then you can relax :p:

I have another thing to add to the memory controller discussion. It also depends on your cpu overclock a lot of the time. If your pushing the cpu to its mhz limits then you often wont be able to push it to its memory controller limits as well. You often have to choose between one or the other or look for a balance in between.

Lestat
08-28-2005, 07:54 PM
MSI MAX that is the EXACT same thing that happened to me with my Mushkin Redline.

it worked for a while then it started Beeping at me after i powered OFF. i pulled the sticks out then switched to my OCZ PC4800. then i decided to try the redline one more time. it worked for a short time then all hell broke loose and both sticks are just toast.
i sent them back to the guy i got them from and he can run just fine on an Ultra-D at 260mhz 3.6v 1.5-2-2-0 so....
bad sticks ?? Maybe...UTT BH5 + NEO2 = CRAP maybe...
but frankly if yur gunna run UTT ram i think you need to get a different mobo...


Side Effect -

GOOD NEWS!!
After installing my video drivers and such all my IRQ's are nice and spread out!!!!!!!! yesssssssssss lol
so... ive solved all my issues so far but i need to test performance.
the video card is clear up on IRQ 15 i think which is a little higher than i like for the video card. from testing i did ages ago performance increases when the device is on a lower IRQ but ill test and let you know.

Lestat
08-28-2005, 08:47 PM
8600 on 3dmark 03 ? you gotta be f|_|cking kidding me

sideeffect
08-28-2005, 08:49 PM
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

LOL

Did you remember to plug the graphics card in ? :D

Also dont worry about the IRQ mines on 16 doesnt matter. Try the rivatuner throttling thing next.

iMAX
08-29-2005, 12:31 AM
Cold boot problem agian. I've tried alot of bios version 1.A, 1.A0mod, R1, R2, TCCD edition ect. but didn't solved it :confused:

With Multiplier 10, I set over 260HTT in bios -> cold boot
With Multiplier 11, I set over 250HTT -> cold boot

Now I have to interested 1.36b modded 1T bios not new bios version

My system:

MSI Neo2
Sandy 3500+ 512KB L2 rev.E4 (could stabled at 3G on watercooling)
Gskill TCCD 2x256 PC4400 LE (could stabled at 320Mhz 1:1 on DFI SLI-DR)
AIW X800SE mod XT
CoolerMaster RP 450W

Can anyone help me?

Personally, I think Neo2 don't like Sandy 3500+ 512KB L2 rev. E4 :slapass:

Zeus...
08-29-2005, 02:15 AM
I haven't been getting any emails for this thread...

Same here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the sever was down the other day- maybe it has something to do with that?

Lestat
08-29-2005, 05:45 AM
SIdeEffect -


I have more news which you may have already known about.
ok first i switched to the TCCD version bios. not sure which revision so if you have a revision 2 maybe i'll look at it.
The GPU Throttling is a DIRECT RESULT of the GPU core clock. i run my 6800 ultra at 450/1100 and it runs fine. But with the 1.A i cant even riva tuner wont stop the mobo from throttling the GPU.
So, i dropped the core down to 430 and mem RAISED to 1200 so now im at 430/1200 and she is running smooth. 440 throttles. so....
BUT
i have lost performance. technically 450/1100 vs 430/1200 is probably gunna yield you the same or roughly the same scores. but im running slightly less. I think last time i tested with this card 430/1200 didnt give me as good of scores as 450/1100 but since i cant run 450 im screwed.

What Video and mobo drivers are you using ? id like to load them up and see how my scores fair with yours. but also dont forget your running at 3ghz im not.

2nd-
I can NOT get stable above 2550 no matter what i do.... the minute the desktop loads, BAM the system just reboots. even using core center and rasing the vcore to 2.7v it still dies past 2550
i used to run be able to run 2.7 @ 1.65v it was 100% stable but i used to be able to run it now i cant even get past 2.55 @ 1.65v

something is really whacky here...

ElAguila
08-29-2005, 05:59 AM
I had read that the 1.9 and higher had usb 2.0 disabled. If this is true, has it been enabled in rev1 and rev2?

ElAguila
08-29-2005, 06:01 AM
Lestat which pci ide cards do you have? I have 2 of the sil680 raid cards and haven't had a problem yet. Are yours raid cards or just ide adapter cards?

CD 1986
08-29-2005, 06:18 AM
I can NOT get stable above 2550 no matter what i do.... the minute the desktop loads, BAM the system just reboots. even using core center and rasing the vcore to 2.7v it still dies past 2550
i used to run be able to run 2.7 @ 1.65v it was 100% stable but i used to be able to run it now i cant even get past 2.55 @ 1.65v
Do you get the same problem if running mem on a low divider, or are you running all this at 1:1 ratio? Also, try the rev2 of 1.A mod bios, since the TCCD has a couple of extra tweaks which might be affecting stability...see if you get the same issues when OCing.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 08:54 AM
i did try the 183 divider and it did the same thing.

this is 255mhz @ 10x or 280mhz @ 9x it pretty much all does the same thing.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 10:08 AM
home on lunch and doing some more testing
200 183 or 166 the system wont allow me to run past 2.55ghz

wow,, wth happened to this bios...i think im gunna be best to go back to 1.36 rev 4


ElAguila -

mine is a Promise TX2 U133 controller card NON raid version.
so i dont see why its messing with the raid... i dont understand anything about this board its really starting to frustrate me

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 11:24 AM
1.B3 is out i made a mod verison of it on my site if anyone wants to try it. It has some more memory options.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 11:45 AM
was there any word from MSI what they changed ?
Any chance of also listing the original bios so we can compare.

(the reason i say that is simply cuz i wonder if any of the changes your making are making the bios go goofy, it may run but i mean like the throttling or the fact that i cant go past 2.55ghz now..

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 12:02 PM
The original beta bios can always be got from the German MSI website Lestat as can the Moded versions from Murdock.

The TCCD version could be not working well with your system if thats the case i also have revision 1 on my site which has no memory tweaks.

The 1.A official can also be got from the MSI main site if you wwant to try that version.

Ares323
08-29-2005, 12:35 PM
Some Everest MEM bench, no tweaks, 1.8 official default MEM settings.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 01:14 PM
have you tried 1.b yet SE to see if you got anything different or better or worse ?

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 01:18 PM
Yes im using my mod version of 1.B3 Beta now.

It provides slightly more vcore than the 1.A bios. It is also slightly faster than the 1.A bios. There are also 3 new memory settings although i dont know what they do yet.

It runs at the same overclock as 1.A havnt tested higher yet.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 01:37 PM
i did notice my vcore was slightly under the rated setting i used in the bios. dont recall what it was but 1.65 was like 1.63 on the mobo with a meter i think.. no big deal really but i am just puzzled why i cant go past 2.55ghz on the cpu

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 02:29 PM
Lestat had another report at my forum that setting a AGP latency of 64 sorted out the poor AGP performance.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 03:41 PM
64 ?

wow thats odd it used to be 67mhz

but i'll definately give it a try
yeah its too bad you cant actually set that in the bios.
i tried it and then overclocked to 2.6ghz and started 3dmark and bam system rebooted.

so.. im done with this bios and ill try the 1.B but i doubt it will work,, if it dont then im going back to the 1.36 rev 4 and never trying another bios.. :slapass:

ElAguila
08-29-2005, 04:13 PM
Can you tell me what the extra memory settings are that are in the new bios? Also are they hidden or visible in your 1.B mod? I may give it a try and see how things go.

CD 1986
08-29-2005, 04:57 PM
wow thats odd it used to be 67mhz
Latency, not bus speed. ;)

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 04:59 PM
All the memory options are visible.

The 3 new options are

- Software memory hole remapping
- Hardware Memory hole remapping

Now from my understanding these settings are to do with using large amounts of ram with your motherboard. By large i mean like 4gb. I think its supposed to allow you to use 3.5gb worth of the 4gb instead of 3.25 gb if you dont have these options enabled.

Now in my opinion these are probably two of the most pointless options ever to add to a overclockers motherboard at this stage in its development. From reading around though enabling them has helped a few people pass memtest when they couldn't before. It moves the PCI registers to make space for the extra ram you see.

The other option is

- Bottom of 32-bit

With a hex value of E0 and about 100 choices all in hex to choose from ......

Have no idea what this option does, have no idea if my motherboard will explode if i cahnge the value so ill leave it alone.

In my opinion they just added 3 options that no one needs. And ignored all the memory options we want like max async, read preamble, refresh rate, write recovery time, write to read, idle cycle limit etc etc. :nono:

Lestat
08-29-2005, 05:30 PM
ohhh latency
hhmm 64 is a little crazy for a latency

like really too low.... but hey if it works.. it works...


i cant take these new bios's fellas i tried 1.b and its the same :banana::banana::banana::banana:.... i cant go past 2.55ghz no matter what HTT Ram or Voltages even running 2.7v it wont let me

these new bios's are totally fvcked and i mean that,, i just cant believe MSI is doing this.
go back to the pre 1.9 bios thats all i can say im back to 1.36 Rev4 and done with the 1.x bios's...

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 05:58 PM
1.B is better for high HTT than 1.A

300 x 10 with 166 divider boots.
320 x 9 with 150 divider also boots.
330 x 9 with 150 divider also now :woot:

Never booted as high HTT before with a bios :p:

Well Lestat i dont know what to say really the maximum difference between any bios for me has been about 50 mhz cpu and 5mhz ram frequency. They all perform in pretty much the same ball park. Im just interested in features now so i dont have to set things in windows anymore.

Lestat
08-29-2005, 07:41 PM
thats cool SE you should really be crankin out the performance with setting like that

i flashed to 1.36 rev for and instantly BAM 2.7ghz and running 3dmark...
so there you have it 1.x is poo

i can actually boot and run up to 370mhz HTT thats MAX stable is around 365mhz HTT oops sorry thats with 1.36 or 1.8 bios no other works like that
so i dont know wtf the deal is i knew i should have saved a bit of cash and just got a 3000 venice. ohh well.

anyone wanna trade me a 3200 venice for a 3000 venice lol

the way this chip acts and the way the Newcastle acted prior to this are almost the same
i just feel like if i put this chip and ram on a DFI Ultra-D it would seriously work 100% better. damn it someone trade me an Ultra-D i got stuff to trade including a neo2 lol

msimax
08-29-2005, 09:24 PM
i just down loaded speedfan does anyone know what the default temp1 is reading it showing 41c or is it a false reading

msimax
08-29-2005, 09:44 PM
the 1.b bios testing it now i can use the 166 div again b4 it would bsod in when now im at 317*9

msimax
08-29-2005, 09:46 PM
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3461/good1uy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 09:49 PM
same here msimax in 1.A 166 divider sucked but its fixed now :cool:

msimax
08-29-2005, 10:00 PM
hey sideeffect im having probs with pcmark05 my scores are really low.i looked at my score sheet and i dont get scores for any hdd test is this a known bug our just my sys i have a wd80jb

sideeffect
08-29-2005, 10:31 PM
hey sideeffect im having probs with pcmark05 my scores are really low.i looked at my score sheet and i dont get scores for any hdd test is this a known bug our just my sys i have a wd80jb

I only tried PCMARK 2005 once and it went all the way to the end of the tests then wouldnt show a score...

Pc was stable at the time so i think it is bugged. Im not using it anymore i use pifast and super pi to measure cpu/ram performance. Everest and Sisoft to measure ram performance. ATTO and HDTach to measure disk performance.

Hopefully PCmark 2005 will be patched soon.

5days
08-29-2005, 10:46 PM
Has anyone used an OCZ Booster with the K8N-Neo2 Plat.?

msimax
08-29-2005, 10:54 PM
yes up to 3.9 volts

5days
08-30-2005, 02:22 AM
How did you monitor the volts?
Does your PSU have a -5V rail?
Because my brothers doesnt so he cant see the display, and the BIOS he is using doesnt monitor Vdimm.
Can anyone suggest a program/BIOS version that does?

Thanks.

Dr.Leary
08-30-2005, 03:16 AM
Why not look at the display on the booster?

5days
08-30-2005, 04:52 AM
Why not look at the display on the booster?
The display doesnt work without a -5V rail, my bother doesnt have a -5V rail on his PSU. :(

Lestat
08-30-2005, 05:30 AM
click the link in side effects signature, on his website he has pictures of where to test the vdimm with a volt meter

and no bios on the neo2 monitors vdimm.

do NOT use that booster without knowing exactly what voltages your setting it to, all your gunna do is fry your ram or fry the mobo.

OCZ's website says the booster is only good up to 3.4v thats not true it will handle 3.8 just fine. your ram is gunna get red hot at 3.8v lol but the board will handle it.

i got some Corsair XMS PC3500 old school BH-5 coming in a few days so ill try that out and report back.

Sideeffect do you have anyways to setup 1.36 rev4 or 1.8 rev3 to run on bh-5 ?
or will i just have to use the usual 2-2-2-5 setting. ?


MSIMAX -

why are you running your AGP at 67 ?

uniacid
08-30-2005, 11:45 AM
what up guys, thought I'd update ya, I just installed my X2 4400+ :D

ADA4400DAA6CD
CCBWE 0523VPMW

does this look good? been out for too long, got too much reading to do :P

Lestat
08-30-2005, 01:25 PM
send it to me ill test her out and let you know if its any good ;)

fatfreepork
08-30-2005, 01:31 PM
my neo2 won't boot with my new e6 venice. I get 2 red lights and 2 orange lights

Lestat
08-30-2005, 01:58 PM
did you flash to the new bios guy ?

you must upgrade.

also pull out the memory and use only 1 stick then see

reset the cmos using the jumper.

yada yada same ol tricks,., but be sure to upgrade to atleast 1.A or 1.B thats just gunna make sure you have the latest running bios from MSI

fatfreepork
08-30-2005, 02:41 PM
im running 1 stick of pdp xbl. tried resetting cmos but same issue. how can i flash the bios when it wont boot properly?

D3kMatrix
08-30-2005, 02:57 PM
did you flash to the new bios guy ?

you must upgrade.

also pull out the memory and use only 1 stick then see

reset the cmos using the jumper.

yada yada same ol tricks,., but be sure to upgrade to atleast 1.A or 1.B thats just gunna make sure you have the latest running bios from MSI


He doesnt need to flash before booting with an X2 chip, He can use any BIOS from 1.36 and on. But only 1 core will show up untill he updates to 1.9, 1.A or 1.B.


im running 1 stick of pdp xbl. tried resetting cmos but same issue. how can i flash the bios when it wont boot properly?

You can't, the BIOS isn't the problem anyway.

Do u know the board is good for sure? Have u used it with another CPU?
If you know the board works try reseating the CPU.
And whats the system do when u power it up?

sideeffect
08-30-2005, 05:19 PM
Its possible he had a pre 1.36 bios on the motherboard. You still have the newcastle to put in and then flash to another bios?

Lestat
08-30-2005, 05:53 PM
like i said or i guess i didnt say i only implied it

stick in whatever chip you had before and reflash it to the 1.B bios.
i say the 1.B cuz that offers full support for the X2 plus Sideeffect has fixed a few things.

D3kMatrix
08-30-2005, 06:38 PM
6 More BIOS's Added to the page...

1.B3 Beta
1.B3 Beta Mod by Murdok
1.B3 Beta XMOD by Murdok & Sideeffect
1.B3 Beta Mod by Sideeffect
1.B3 Beta Mod by Syar
1.B2 Beta Mod by Syar

BTW does anyone have anymore info on the XMOD?
USB2.0 Enabled or anything?

fatfreepork
08-30-2005, 08:45 PM
I bought the board used and never had another chip in it.

D3kMatrix
08-30-2005, 08:55 PM
I bought the board used and never had another chip in it.

You said u get 2 red lights and 2 orange lights when u boot up, we need to know what lights are what colors tho. There is a lot of combinations where 2 lights are red and 2 are orange.

And can u ask the person you bought the board from what BIOS it has in it?

fatfreepork
08-30-2005, 08:57 PM
When i power it up, all the fans spin, hard drive seems to work, floppy drive has a light and it all seems good. My case doesn't have a speaker so no beeps i can use.

In the back, i have red lights on the bottom left and top right, and orange lights on the bottom right and top left.

I will ask about the bios.

D3kMatrix
08-30-2005, 09:05 PM
In my neo2 manual this is what it says about that step of the POST.



-BIOS Sign On
This will start showing information about logo, processor brand name, etc...


So yeah it sounds like its hanging when trying to identify ur CPU.
I'd say find out what BIOS the board has, and if its pre 1.36 then your guna have to use another CPU like SE and lestat recommended.

sideeffect
08-30-2005, 09:55 PM
Or you can buy a bios chip with the latest NEo 2 bios from here Badflash.com (http://www.badflash.com/)

Then you just have to switch the bios chips over. Then after you can boot you can hot flash the old chip to a new bios as well and then you have a spare.

Its always good to have a spare bios chip. Especially with all the different beta and mod bios files that are out at the moment to try.

aphelion
08-30-2005, 11:06 PM
Of course, if you don't want to spend the money for another bios chip, you can do a hot swap bios flash if you have another motherboard with the same type of bios chip socket. Just use the same flash software as the original motherboard's bios. Be sure to disable bios caching before doing this.

uniacid
08-31-2005, 12:18 AM
guys I need some help with my timing, I have OCZ EL GOLD PC4400 Memory and I need to find some good timing to get me overclocking, I would like to get the new VX series but can't right now, so any help would be appreciated

Also I'm using the latest MSI bios 1.A and I'm wondering if anyone else is having problems with USB 2.0? all of a sudden windows is saying I don't have any usb 2 capable ports when I used to....

fatfreepork
08-31-2005, 12:32 AM
In my neo2 manual this is what it says about that step of the POST.



So yeah it sounds like its hanging when trying to identify ur CPU.
I'd say find out what BIOS the board has, and if its pre 1.36 then your guna have to use another CPU like SE and lestat recommended.

previous owner says 1.9 official MSI beta bios.

uniacid
08-31-2005, 12:55 AM
ah I see, dumb:banana::banana::banana::banana:s at MSI disabled usb 2 in their new bios, wtf kinda :banana::banana::banana::banana: is that? any how whats a good bios for the X2's?

uniacid
08-31-2005, 01:49 AM
so far I got my 4400 to 2.5 although I have to use 3-4-4-8 timings, I'm also amazed at the temp and wondering if they are infact true, right now idle its at 25C which would be a first for me as my FX53 would idle round 38-40 and even my 3700 around the same

Sonic9
08-31-2005, 03:56 AM
I have switched to Rev2 ... for me it seems more stable than TCCD version ...
I continu my test but I begin to be lazy of test stability :( ... Why the nf3 doesn't support high fsb in sync ?! with a dfi nf4 my sticks run @ 290mhz lol

Continue the great work ! all modders/dev/testers ;)

uniacid
08-31-2005, 04:07 AM
alright I've gotten up to around 2.6 with my x2 4400 but I'm wondering how I can set the voltage in bios since I can't seem to go above 1.4-1.45, I saw some others got up to 1.54 or so and I'm wondering how they got theirs up there as mine doesn't seem to allow it

Lestat
08-31-2005, 05:35 AM
well i finally friggin did it.
finally got my video card going
i just gave it a shot of "act right" and now its acting right

i flashed it with the same bios i had in my old BFG 6800 GT that was a killer card.
now whats really screwed up is that i had done this already several times about ohhhh..... .... over a month ago, but it wasnt this card it was another 6800 Ultra...

so.. i now have finally broken 6000 in 3dmark 05 and 14,000 in 3dmark 03.

man talk about being really ticked off at a video card lol.

i do believe that the cpu is dieing though... im having alot of troubles staying stable at 2.6 or above... right now im at 2520 and its fine so... HTT = 280 1:1 CPU = 9x

ElAguila
08-31-2005, 06:23 AM
I also have probs with the tccd version but not the rev2. Does anyone know what these patriots have in them? I thought they were tccd. See my sig for specs.

waiho2k1
08-31-2005, 07:44 AM
Any 1B3 TCCD version? I found that the 1Amod TCCD version provides me the best performance

uniacid
08-31-2005, 08:35 AM
So can anyone direct me to upping the vcore properly since it hasn't been normal for me at least since using the new cores

ElAguila
08-31-2005, 08:50 AM
You need to use the % to get higher vcore. I have found that 1.375 at 8.3% gives me around 1.47 vcore. I think if you go higher than 1.425 it will go to the default vcore.

Lestat
08-31-2005, 08:52 AM
uniacid if you look in the bios there is a setting called % over Vid
set the regular VID(vcore) to 1.45 and then set the % to 3.3 5 8 or 10 that will raise it up to 1.5v 1.55v 1.6v and 1.65v

1.65v is the max your gunna get

just set the regular to 1.45 then set the percentage to 3.3% and then see how high you can go then go to 5% and see

but you need to run Prime95 for a day to really break in the cpu then raise the voltage and overclock.

dont forget if your ram wont handle a higher HTT then your out of luck... or you could run the ram on a divider..

i dont have an X2 nor know very much about them so i dont know what the voltage limit on the X2 is so be careful

uniacid
08-31-2005, 09:46 AM
hmm I believe I set mine to 1.45 with 3 or 5% up but it seems like 1.440 is the limit, I'll try 1.425

edit:
ok 1.425 with % seems to work, kinda weird why its like that

uniacid
08-31-2005, 10:19 AM
I also have another question, how can I run two instances of prime95 to test both cpu's

Lestat
08-31-2005, 11:25 AM
you dont actually test both cpu's it does it on its own. it will use both cores. or it should be using both cores as far as i know. i could be wrong though

but yes there is a way to run 2 prime 95's to really test your cpu but i dont know how to do that.

AcydRaine
08-31-2005, 12:12 PM
I switched from Kingston HyperX PC4000 @ 2.5-3-3-7-1T to OXZ Gold 2-2-2-5-1T. The problems lies in the fact I can not post with the settings I had the HyperX running at, and I forgot to set everything back to default before I switched out. Is there a jumper I can mess with to revert to default Bios settings, or something I can do to get into the bios. The troubleshooting indicator on the back hangs and beeps at memory damaged or installed improperly. I know the RAM works because I had it in a P4 rig before I switched out. Anything I can do to get it to boot or post to bios?. Also, is there a way to mod this mobo to get more DDR voltage for optimal use on the OCZ Gold since it loves the juice?

Lestat
08-31-2005, 01:39 PM
man dont you guys have a manual or go to the msi site to download the manual ?

there is a jumper underneath the orange PCI slot called JB1 i believe.. i can never remember the name of it but its a single lonely jumper all by itself about 2 inches or so from END of the mobo, and right at the bottom edge . just move that from 1/2 to 2/3 for 5 seconds then move it back. with the system off please lol.

sideeffect
08-31-2005, 01:43 PM
You need to reset the cmos its a little jumper loccated at the bottom of the board below the last pci slot.

Its kinda right in the middle and just below the orange pci slot. It will probably be a green cap with 3 pins. The cap is over the bottom two pins. Turn the pc off then take cap off and move it to cover the top two pins then move it back again then turn pc on.

The Max DDR voltage is limited by hardware not my the bios. The way to get more is by using a ddr booster or you can mod the board also but id get the booster if i were you.

sideeffect
08-31-2005, 01:45 PM
I also have another question, how can I run two instances of prime95 to test both cpu's

You need a mod version of prime testing the normal prime will just test 1 core. I thought i heard they have the version that supports dual core at the prime95 website. Did you look there?

AcydRaine
08-31-2005, 02:57 PM
man dont you guys have a manual or go to the msi site to download the manual ?

there is a jumper underneath the orange PCI slot called JB1 i believe.. i can never remember the name of it but its a single lonely jumper all by itself about 2 inches or so from END of the mobo, and right at the bottom edge . just move that from 1/2 to 2/3 for 5 seconds then move it back. with the system off please lol.

Thnx, I have the manual, I just couldn't find it, besides, that is what people hang in forums for, to help others, or to complain opinions. Am I right? :) Thanks again though.

AcydRaine
08-31-2005, 03:01 PM
The Max DDR voltage is limited by hardware not my the bios. The way to get more is by using a ddr booster or you can mod the board also but id get the booster if i were you.


I would get the booster, but I have an XP-90 and it will not fit under there. :( Besides, this is just going to be used for a bit longer as I am getting a DFI Lanparty NF4.

Sonic9
08-31-2005, 03:09 PM
For the Cmos reset, move the green cap (where is the "JBAT" text) for 2 second and back to the original position. Photo :
http://sonic9.free.fr/sonic/PhotosPC/cmos_neo2.jpg

msimax
08-31-2005, 03:26 PM
http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/614/imga00723ym.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/6456/imga00747um.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



got my mem today will test later on hopfully good results :)

Lestat
08-31-2005, 06:04 PM
good stuff guy how much ?

thats probably gunna be TCC5 be mindful of that stuff its not known to work very good on NON NF4 boards.
i have the OCZ PC4800 Platinum and it is pretty much designed only for the Nforce 4 boards like the DFI and ASUS.

i can only get around 280 2.4-4-3-10 on the neo2. even if i go to 3-4-4-10 or 3-5-5-10 it wont go any higher.

also try to stay with 2.7v my ram dont really work any better with more Volts. but try 2.8 and 2.85

does the X2 have the unlocked multipliers ? i hope so cuz then you can really crank the ram as far as the board will let you otherwise your gunna be stuck at a low ram speed.

lastly.. my ram can go 242mhz 2-3-2-10 so try that for yours also when you mess with different speeds.


and Acyd -

i didnt mena to imply you were lazy or dumb or anything, just surprises me that people ask certain questions here cuz it would take way way less time to go to google or the msi site and find the info.
and the JBAT1 jumper or reset cmos is in the manual and pretty clearly marked if i remember correctly but its been a while since i saw a NEO2 manual lol.

msimax
08-31-2005, 06:57 PM
right now im up to 290x9 but with the 10x i get errors from all parts of the mem

ElAguila
08-31-2005, 07:05 PM
The multis with the x2 are locked for upper multis. Mine is capped at 10x. I am thinking about getting a dfi lp nf4 ultra d soon. It depends on how cheap I can pick a pci video card. This memory does okay for 1gb sticks.

msimax
08-31-2005, 07:13 PM
trying to figure out what to do when u get errors in test 5 i know not to raise volts but ive been using winbond stuff since i started all this tccd is new to me

AcydRaine
08-31-2005, 07:26 PM
Ok, I tried the JBAT1 jumper, and I tried taking out the battery for over 5 minutes as someone in another forum suggested. No luck, I had the jumper switched for like 2 minutes. Was that to long should I try it just for a few seconds, then put it back. I can not get this damn thing to boot with MyOCZ or some Corsair XMS. What else can I try aside from buying the HyperX PC4000 I had in it before to get it to boot?

Lestat
08-31-2005, 07:43 PM
well first off you NEED the ddr booster resetting the bios defualts the memory voltage to like 2.7v

i cant say this enough you NEEEEDDDDD the ddr booster so you can get above 3v.

the OCZ and mushkin are real flakey when it comes to booting the UTT ram at low volts. ive seen it way way too many times.
are you able to verify that the ram is even good ?

screw that hyperX 4000 that stuff is the worst PC4000 on the market i have seen generic 4000 overclock more than this stuff does. lol

anyways your not gunna get high voltage ram to run on that board even at low clocks without a ddr booster.

but it is surprising that it wont even boot

pull one stick out and leave one in, try that see what happens.

frankly your not gunna overclock that ram unless you have the booster and really. tccd ram will run 2-2-2-5 just like that UTT stuff will at low mhz.

where is your old ram ?

MSIMAX your running your running your X2 at almost 2.7ghz thats pretty good. and thats a damn good overclock for that ram on this board wish my OCZ would do that.
i think me and sean need to have a talk.......

also 10x multi's seem to be goofy even the venice's and other chips.

its also part of the motherboard ,,, same with mine if i switch to 9x or 8x i can get a higher HTT.

try 8x and run the ram on 166mhz and see how far you can crank her up...
what is your cpu voltage at ? and what is your ram voltage at ?

AcydRaine
08-31-2005, 07:53 PM
I had to sell the HyperX a couple months ago as I needed the cash I got out of it. I know it didn't OC worth a crap. I do not need the booster to boot up some Corsair CH5 as I had used that same ram to boot into the bios before when I messed something up. I have tried the 1 stick, 2 sticks, 4 sticks. I think I may have screwed something up, though I have no clue as to what. I got the OCZ not really for this setup, but for the setup I will be making around Christmas time. I just wanted to run it stock so I can play games without my wife wanting her PC back. :)

sideeffect
09-01-2005, 01:26 AM
I think My neo2 Platinum is broken. Keeps rebooting now after its been on for maybe 30 mins then wont start up again. I have to leave it off for maybe 2 - 3 hours then start it again and it works for maybe 30 mins again.

Get windows bbcode 9c error which is faulty CPU, M/B or RAM. The ram i have tested in another pc and its good. So its either faulty cpu or motherboard and i really dont think its the cpu.

So looks like my time with the neo 2 is short lived. Need another motherboard now. Not sure if ill get another neo 2 or get a DFI nforce 3. I cant go Nforce 4 yet because i would need to sell my 6800gt agp card and buy a SLI card and also id need a 24 pin PSU and i dont have any money ....

poop :mad:

Lestat
09-01-2005, 05:25 AM
is the SBridge fan running ?

are all your temps looking right ?

how bout booting into linux if you have linux does it do the same thing ?

got a spare HD laying around you can load windows on and see if that works ?

I would say call msi and see what they say, and then RMA it. The neo2 is almost NOT worth RMA'ing but for guys like us who cant afford it we almost got no choice.

Draxx
09-01-2005, 06:11 AM
Can anyone please tell me how to increase the voltage to the northbridge? I've been told that raising the AGP voltage also increases the voltage to the northbridge, is this true? If it is what the max safe AGP voltage you can use? (I have a 6800GT).

Thanks muchly.

Lestat
09-01-2005, 07:16 AM
there is no northbridge on an AMD64 system. the northbrodge is part of the CPU itself/

what you see on the motherboard is the southbridge.

It's a big discussion about if raising the apg voltage helps in overclocks.
Frankly and i say this with 100% honesty and becuase i have tested it many many many times. there is no difference if you raise the AGP voltage.
BUT some people claim it helps i say it dont but thats on my motherboard and thats with MY testing.

if you raise the AGP voltages its not gunna hurt your video card cuz the videocard only uses a very very minute amount of what you set in the bios. In fact 8x AGP only uses 0.80v if i remember correctly. where as 4x AGP uses 1.5v and 2x uses 3v.

go ahead raise the agp it might help.. for me it doesnt do anything but make my southbridge chip get hot lol.
MSI messed up DFI has a seperate setting for "Chipset Voltage" well MSI didnt wanna do that.

it's a general thought that 1.7v is the max you wanna go.

uniacid
09-01-2005, 09:25 AM
so anyone try these new bioses? I'm wondering which I should use :P
1.B3 Beta
1.B3 Beta Mod by Murdok
1.B3 Beta XMOD by Murdok & Sideeffect
1.B3 Beta Mod by Sideeffect
1.B3 Beta Mod by Syar
1.B2 Beta Mod by Syar

Lestat
09-01-2005, 09:28 AM
tuff to say id start with 1.B3 Beta Mod by Sideeffect.

unless you have tccd ram i dont think the Gold is tccd isnt it Hynix ?

either way start with that bios and see how far you get.

uniacid
09-01-2005, 09:30 AM
yeah I believe its hynix

Lestat
09-01-2005, 09:51 AM
yeah use that bios i mentioned it should be just fine. if not use a different one until you get the right feel.

how far have you been able to go with that Gold hynix.

my last hynix was PC4000 Gold Rev 2 which totally sucks unless you slam it with 3.4v or higher then lol i was able to run 290 2.5-4-3-10 but without that much voltage it didnt overclock very good. but i have never tried the 4400 it may be different.

uniacid
09-01-2005, 10:03 AM
my highest that I ever tried was this

http://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/benchs/amd/300cpuz.JPG
http://intenseghetto.com/o/albums/benchs/amd/300cpuzmem.JPG

Lestat
09-01-2005, 10:55 AM
8.5 multi makes the ram not 300mhz
thats an old version of cpu-z that wasnt showing real ram speed.
a 8.5 multi and 300 HTT would make the ram like 280mhz i believe. UNLESS the FX-53 doesnt do that with the 1/2 multipliers i thought all A64's did that.

sideeffect
09-01-2005, 01:57 PM
Hmm Left pc off all night got up today put it on and its been on for 3 hours no problems. Was playing games for 2 hours of that time.

Yesterday it wouldnt boot with stock settings and 3 different sticks of ram i tried in single channel. I think its gotta be something with the sensors or something with the power supply.

Yesterday it wouldnt save anything to the bios. Like it would curropt the bios everytime i changed a setting. Had to clear cmos all the time. I really hate problems like this which arent easy to diagnose. :slapass:

It happened to me once before this issue and it fixed itself after pc being off for a night. After that it didnt glitch again for like a month and a half with pretty much 24/7 usage. Last time though it worked when i used 1 stick of ram thats why i thought it had really broken this time when not even 1 stick of ram would work.

just weird.

2virgule5
09-01-2005, 02:34 PM
Prime95 on X2 for both cores :
- just download the last version
- install it twice in two different directories
- launch both Prime95.exe and start a torture test on both (CPU usage should be at or near 100%)

Then you can tell the OS to run one instance specifically on CPU0 and the other one on CPU1, to do that ctrl+alt+del to the task manager, process tab, highlight one of the Prime95.exe with a right click then chose "define affinity" (should be near that, my WinXP is a french one) then tick CPU0 only. Do the same to assign the other Prime95.exe instance to CPU1.

This way you can identify which core will limit your overclocking (my CPU0 limits me to around 2610 MHz, while the other had no problem to reach 2700+ MHz stable -X2 4200+ at 1.53 v). BTW last 1.0B bios is OK, but I miss the possibility to have higher vcore : anything above 1.45 v in bios led to no more than what the 1.45 v option gives - around 1.42 v for me - , +10% gives between 1.53 and 1.58 volts (core voltage seems to be quite instable if I believe CPU-Z).

2,5

sideeffect
09-01-2005, 02:36 PM
.................... After writting post above pc restarted and wont boot again now ....YAY. So it wouldnt crash at all while gaming at heavy load but it crashed when im idling.

That makes no sence. Removed all my diskdrives and dvd drive. Still wont save the bios settings and crashes again ...

It could be a cold boot problem i guess but strange time for that to emerge after 3 months usage at sub zero.

Lestat
09-01-2005, 02:39 PM
mine is crashing all the time to SE... for no reason it just started doing this yesterday ? maybe day before ?

i can NOT even with older bios hold anything above 2.5ghz my cpu is dieing or the motherboard is dieing.

i cant afford this crap... dam it i cant afford this to be happening....

Zeus...
09-01-2005, 03:12 PM
Lestat and sideeffect

Sounds very much like the problems I had with this dam mobo. Got sick off getting it stable fine for some time then problems with the overclock - did it with the winnie I had so got a venice and that did then the same. The NF3 really does have some issues on the AGP mobos when overclocked long term. I have two 2500bartons sat right next to this system, which run overclocked long term with an issue hit 65degrees Celius on a hot day and still run on no problems.

the NF4 from what I have read does seem better but I dont want to fork out for a new graphics card as well as a mobo yet!

Hope u guys get it sorted as I have like others been watching your hard work trying to get this sorted with all the bios mods. In hope that when u do I am only a flash away from a decent stable overclock. until then I am in STD blues


Keep up the work and thanks for all your words of wisdom

Zeus

uniacid
09-01-2005, 03:29 PM
I tried the 1.B3 bios modded by sideeffect and it seems to give me much lower memory b/w than 1.9 does, tried fiddling with the timings but I'm not exactly sure what setting caused it to be so low.

Also I have a question for anyone with an X2, after overclocking in bios and loading up in windows, I'm using clockgen inside of windows to overclock higher but when I run sisoft sandra it seems to not update the cpu speed and the results although cpu z displays the updated speed and fsb, I'm wondering if clockgen isn't overclocking correctly within windows for anyone?

msimax
09-01-2005, 03:42 PM
Hmm Left pc off all night got up today put it on and its been on for 3 hours no problems. Was playing games for 2 hours of that time.

Yesterday it wouldnt boot with stock settings and 3 different sticks of ram i tried in single channel. I think its gotta be something with the sensors or something with the power supply.

Yesterday it wouldnt save anything to the bios. Like it would curropt the bios everytime i changed a setting. Had to clear cmos all the time. I really hate problems like this which arent easy to diagnose. :slapass:

It happened to me once before this issue and it fixed itself after pc being off for a night. After that it didnt glitch again for like a month and a half with pretty much 24/7 usage. Last time though it worked when i used 1 stick of ram thats why i thought it had really broken this time when not even 1 stick of ram would work.

just weird.



i had a similar problem its was because condensation was forming on circuits in the cpu area and around it i just put grease around it and no probs since

msimax
09-01-2005, 03:54 PM
also with my new ram im 3gig stable

Lestat
09-01-2005, 04:24 PM
wow guy awesome!!!!!!


whats your ram setting 2.5-4-4-10 ? 2.5-?-?-?
vcore ?
vdimm ?

my damn mobo is almost dead,,, it will barely run anymore overclocked.

the corsair xms bh-5 wont even run 250mhz so i know for a fact now its the motherboard.
i cant deal with this anymore aarrrrggggg

uniacid
09-01-2005, 04:27 PM
also with my new ram im 3gig stable
what specs?

and lestats I can't wait to get a DFI :P

Lestat
09-01-2005, 04:34 PM
yeah no doubt man you set that chip and ram on a DFI NF4 and its gunna explode youget more than 3ghz i bet

and yes i mean what specs are you at right now

HTT
vcore
vdimm
ram cas timings
cpu multiplier

sideeffect
09-01-2005, 05:09 PM
i had a similar problem its was because condensation was forming on circuits in the cpu area and around it i just put grease around it and no probs since

Thanks msimax i think ill take the clamshell off and reinsulate around the socket tommorow. See if that helps at all.

uniacid
09-01-2005, 05:42 PM
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/36211.png
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=36211

still gotta prime for a longer period of time

Lestat
09-01-2005, 05:55 PM
dude are you running your ram at 246 3-4-4-10
god man tighten that ram up
2.5-3-3-8

thats just silly to run the ram at that low with just loose timings your performance will be better if you do it. thats hynix though it will not run any lower than 2.5-3-3-5

uniacid
09-01-2005, 06:00 PM
I will later, I just don't like having to reset my cmos when having it too tight

Lestat
09-01-2005, 06:04 PM
you dont have to reset the cmos guy

that ram will run 2.5-3-3-10 i guarentee you. if you have to reset the cmos i will start a thread witha formal apology for making you go thru that.

drop that ram down

what you really need to do is drop the cpu multiplier down 2 steps and then raise the ram and run memtest until you get errors then back the ram down until it works.

ok then check your cpu speed, and raise the multiplier up 1 step and lower the ram so its the same as when you ran memtest..

sideeffect
09-01-2005, 06:26 PM
Im thinking about taking the vapochill off the cpu and using it on the 6800 instead. The cpu does 2750 mhz on air anyway, not much more with vapochill. The 6800 might benifit more from the coolness.

msimax
09-01-2005, 06:58 PM
wow guy awesome!!!!!!


whats your ram setting 2.5-4-4-10 ? 2.5-?-?-?
vcore ?
vdimm ?

my damn mobo is almost dead,,, it will barely run anymore overclocked.

the corsair xms bh-5 wont even run 250mhz so i know for a fact now its the motherboard.
i cant deal with this anymore aarrrrggggg

2.5-4-3-7

msimax
09-01-2005, 07:20 PM
im thinking bout selling my setup but having a hard time making up my mind if i should go dfi or wait for ati boards :confused:


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7867/imga00479zq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

msimax
09-01-2005, 07:23 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8448/imga00825jl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

msimax
09-01-2005, 07:35 PM
hey sideeffect can u update your tccd bios so it can have Longer max. async. 8ns => 9ns

sideeffect
09-02-2005, 05:13 AM
hey sideeffect can u update your tccd bios so it can have Longer max. async. 8ns => 9ns

Well apparantly 9ns isnt a good setting. It causes random crashes. Not sure if its a memory problem or a chipset problem but if you look around people will say 9ns is bad. I tend to believe them. You never see any high overclocks listed with 9ns async.

Lestat
09-02-2005, 08:26 AM
i hate my neo2 i truly hate it

sideeffect
09-02-2005, 08:35 AM
Mine is working again now i think. I took the clamshell off and applied lots of grease but it wasnt that. It was the hose after a bit of usage the insulation was letting a very tiny bit of moisture through and was resting against the power supply :stick:

Well ive wrapped some more foaming around the tube and sealed it with plumbers tape so hopefully it wont happen again. Was only a very tiny amount of moisture.

steye
09-02-2005, 12:11 PM
@ SIDEEFFECT

excuse-me, are you able to modified bios 1.3b6 with 150 and 183 dividers? many people with phase-change system needs vcore +15% and +18,3%

many thanks
bye

Lestat
09-02-2005, 12:41 PM
no you cant

there isnt a need for 183 when you have a 1/2 cpu divder anyways.

uniacid
09-02-2005, 04:04 PM
been trying to run prime95 on both my die's but they seem to error out, no actual crashing but prime95 just showing that an error happened, what do you guys think it could be? I tried to game for about an hr and it was very stable and temps were good, maybe I should try tightening my mem timings?

Zeus...
09-02-2005, 04:13 PM
just showing that an error happened,

that means u failed Prime :(

uniacid
09-02-2005, 04:19 PM
that means u failed Prime :(

yeah but I didn't have windows crash, I also ran super pi and it ran fine

Zeus...
09-02-2005, 04:28 PM
Super PI is a quicky test of stablity

Prime (more of an acid test)doesnt crash (unless your system is very unstable) it errors

either up the volts CPU/mem relax the mem timmings/HTT/xCPU

has your mem passed memtest86 at the current setting with the cpu multipler turned down (more than one complete pass - five or overnight)

Lestat
09-02-2005, 11:57 PM
did i tell you guys how much i hate my neo2
and i have officially added my 3200+ into my pile of worst ever purchased hardware...

UNLESS when i get my ultra d it totally opens up and just screams,, this is the worst cpu/mobo combo i have ever ever ever had becuase of this motherboard i have traded away a gig of gskill LA ddr600, a gig of ocz pc3200 plat a gig of ocz oc4000
and im now trading my ocz pc4800 for a gig of corsair xms bh5


i tested the bh5 yesterday and the :banana::banana::banana::banana:e wont even run 250mhz friggin god aweful motherboard is just puking out cause everything to run like crap.

D3kMatrix
09-03-2005, 12:11 AM
I’ve been thinking about selling my neo2 and 6800GT for a DFI for a while now.
And it’s souly because of the ram problem I have.

So I know how u feel :P

sideeffect
09-03-2005, 12:20 AM
Removed my vapochill and running on air for the first time since i got the board and tested on air. My temperature shows again in bios which is nice. Going to see if i get crashes on air.

If its stable on air i think i will attach the vapochill to the 6800. If anyone has done this before please give me some hints. Im aware ill have to improvise some way of attaching the vapo head. I have the socket 754/939 clamshell and the socket A/370 plug. I think the Socket A attachment would be best to work from.

Seems the 6800 also gets cold temp bug. Dont know why all these sensors cant go below 25 degrees without freaking out. The sensor i use on my vapochill i got free with a fan and it reads -30 degrees quite happily.

Zeus...
09-03-2005, 01:22 AM
but the DFI NF3 still has issues, think I will get a PCIexpress socket to AGP convertor.:cool:
Then jump on the NF4 wagon

Jhya
09-03-2005, 01:33 AM
Uh... is it that the Neo2 hates a lot of ram, especially the BH-5??? or do you still believe it's bad RAM?


did i tell you guys how much i hate my neo2
and i have officially added my 3200+ into my pile of worst ever purchased hardware...

UNLESS when i get my ultra d it totally opens up and just screams,, this is the worst cpu/mobo combo i have ever ever ever had becuase of this motherboard i have traded away a gig of gskill LA ddr600, a gig of ocz pc3200 plat a gig of ocz oc4000
and im now trading my ocz pc4800 for a gig of corsair xms bh5


i tested the bh5 yesterday and the :banana::banana::banana::banana:e wont even run 250mhz friggin god aweful motherboard is just puking out cause everything to run like crap.

Zeus...
09-03-2005, 02:17 AM
Uh... is it that the Neo2 hates a lot of ram, especially the BH-5??? or do you still believe it's bad RAM?

I dont think its the Ram IMHO

I have had this Mobo for 10 months which overclocked fine at first. But long term stablity at a reasonable overclock wasnt possible. At first I thought is was me. But know other users seem to be having the same problem and they have tried lots off different ram. I think its the NF3 platform! I hope I am wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the DFI AGP having the same problems long term. After all the DFI still has issues and with it being late with its 939 AGP mobo it should off had plenty off time to get the issues sorted B4 selling.

Aardman
09-03-2005, 03:19 AM
Hello there, but its a bit more like "o Hell" here, as I cant make my freshly assembled MSI KTN 9393 Neo2 X2 3800 combo be nice and play with the onboard IEEE 1394 or anything I put in any PCI slot.

My rig is SP2 dual prime stable from stock to 2.4 Ghz and currently at stock, just reinstalled XP with all updates.

Im using modded BIOS 7025.1.B3 as its the only thing that will give me at least USB 2.0 on this setup.

Ive been waiting a few days to get posting rights here, as you folks seem to actually be discussing technical issues, like APIC.

The Sandra 2005 MoBo report warns me I should have APIC enabled but don't, as it is needed for a mulitprocessor setup and gives more and better IRQs. Is this my likely issue and how do I enable APIC in this BIOS, or what else can I do. Please be gentle-Im not pretending to be an expert and this is my first post here.

sideeffect
09-03-2005, 03:25 AM
Hi Aardman

Well first thing you want to do is disable everything you dont want to use in bios. Like if you dont use either or one of the lan sockets disable it, same with the sata ports and serial ports etc.

This will free up your IRQ's. Dont turn APIC off i very much doupt thats your issue. Enable firewire and when pc boots it has a screen with your devices that are booting. Does it show Firewire there?

Then when you get into windows look at your IRQ assignments and see if firewire shows there.

The Apic options is in the bios erm i think its in advanced chipset features. If you cant find it in the bios what version of the 1.B3 are you using?

mundi
09-03-2005, 05:20 AM
Have a question, is ok bios Neo2 MOD1B3 for CPU Opteron 144 soc 939?
Have any experience with this?

Vega
09-03-2005, 05:49 AM
Can anyone tell me the difference between bios:

v.1.B3
v.1.B3mod

sideeffect
09-03-2005, 05:58 AM
Look in the changelog.

mundi
09-03-2005, 06:25 AM
Can anyone tell me the difference between bios:

v.1.B3
v.1.B3mod
I think that here wïll be a little changes - no importent

idontknow
09-03-2005, 06:39 AM
Ok I have been having this problem for a while now, I posted about it long ago but never got an answer. I finally have time for the comp now and it still is having the same problem.

The first few months I had the board it was great...... was getting 270-300fsb 1:1 stable, but after a few months, I turned on my comp one day, and it wouldnt post. The problem is I can't set my memory CAS timing to anything other than 2.......... both 2.5 and 3 it will not even post. This is pissing me off to the point where im going to go out and buy a new mobo if we can't figure this out

Specs:

A64 3500+ winchester
MSI K8N Neo2-939 - bios 1.4b1mod
512*2 DC OCZ 3200 platinum rev2
x800xtpe
OCZ 520 powerstream
OCZ ram booster (uninstalled now)

Lestat
09-03-2005, 07:46 AM
and have you even flashed the bios dude ?

sounds to me like your bios is corrupt. not sure why your using 1.4b1 hell i havent even heard of 1.4b1

use either 1.36 Rev 4 or 1.8 Rev3 with your winchester those are the 2 best bios's i can recommend.
personally i use the 1.36 rev4 with my venice and it was working fine but now my board is dieing so.. lol..

damn guys i really cant afford a new board right now but im gunna go down to the local scanky trailer trash pc shop and see what they have.

oh yeah and have you tried pulling the ram out and using 1 stick at a time ?

Lestat
09-03-2005, 07:49 AM
I think that here wïll be a little changes - no importent



one is the real one and one is the modded one.
wasnt that easy ? lol ;)

the modded one has the hidden options enabled and some memory tweaks done

idontknow
09-03-2005, 08:18 AM
found the problem.......... seems running daily at high speeds messes up your tccd, it has to be re spd programmed or something. :(

ElAguila
09-03-2005, 08:19 AM
I have the latest bios you modded sideffect and it makes my system run a lot better. I am now at 8x300 with 150 divider and ram at 2.5-3-2-9 @1t and normal driving strength. This allowed me to break the 6000 read mark on everest and the 6000 mark on the sandra bench for the first time with this memory. Great work.

[XC] DragonOrta
09-03-2005, 10:03 AM
what clockgen version do you use for this? the nforce 3 250 one?

Lestat
09-03-2005, 12:16 PM
no we do this in the bios.

clockgen is only used for fine tuning or "curious testing"

the bios allows all the overclocking you could ever need aside form LDT Voltages and more memory timings.

uniacid
09-03-2005, 01:33 PM
you dont have to reset the cmos guy

that ram will run 2.5-3-3-10 i guarentee you. if you have to reset the cmos i will start a thread witha formal apology for making you go thru that.

drop that ram down

what you really need to do is drop the cpu multiplier down 2 steps and then raise the ram and run memtest until you get errors then back the ram down until it works.

ok then check your cpu speed, and raise the multiplier up 1 step and lower the ram so its the same as when you ran memtest..

I'll try but how long should I run memtest86 for? I'm currently running on my same settings and haven't had any errors in 2 passes, I'm going to try tightening the timings now though, also should I run with 1t or 2t and also DRAM drive strenght should be weak or normal?

update: Ok I've been using 2.5-4-3-8 and the max seems to be around 246mhz, how should I relax it if I want to go higher?

D3kMatrix
09-03-2005, 03:18 PM
I'll try but how long should I run memtest86 for? I'm currently running on my same settings and haven't had any errors in 2 passes, I'm going to try tightening the timings now though, also should I run with 1t or 2t and also DRAM drive strenght should be weak or normal?

update: Ok I've been using 2.5-4-3-8 and the max seems to be around 246mhz, how should I relax it if I want to go higher?


When I run memtest I normally do a few passes of test 5 then a few of test 8. If it passes that with no errors then I run 2 or 3 full passes.
If it passes all of that, ur ram should be pretty stable.

Run 1t, 2t kills performance.
Test both weak and normal drive strength, all depends what works for u, normal works best for most people though. (Including me)

And I wouldn't run any looser then 2.5-3-3-7/10. Any looser and u lose massive performance. If u need more headroom over 2.5-3-3-7 then use a divider. You will have less of a performance hit.

Aardman
09-03-2005, 04:14 PM
Hi Sideeffect-thanks for the repy. Im using BIOS 7025.1.BB3 file dates are 29 August.

Sandra is telling me that APIC is OFF so I'm trying to switch it ON. Checked BIOS advanced chipset section and tinkered with the "enable IRQ for PCI" or such like, presuming that APIC. Im not sure of the proper memory address address or memory amount to use.

I've gone down the switching off peripherals (all the SATAS) path just now and previously also did so switching everything possible, even both LANs with the offical BIOS. So if its a BIOS issue its certainly not with your BIOS alone, so I'm not suggesting that for a moment. But Im stuck with no onboard IEEE 1394-doesnt show up anywhere I can see while booting either, e.g in the IRQ list when I hot "pause' and none of the 3 PCI cards from my old rig working in any slot on my new one, either singley, or all together! So I'm perplexed. Even if I somehow put my elbow through the onboard firewire and 3 PCI slots, without noticing, and leaving no visible sign of damage, would that really just make those devices "invisble" in an otherwise stable rig? Sandra shows the PCI slots, just not the cards in them by the way. All USB devices are fine, and AGP of course. I bought the X2 in part for digital video editing, but seem to have lost firewire and the use of my PCI video/TV capture card. Ill try any sugesstion I can afford and follow the logic of. If I could even know what the fault is! Happy to give more info,-should be able to I've just downloaded an ISO of the UBCD. Many thanks indeed.

uniacid
09-03-2005, 04:33 PM
And I wouldn't run any looser then 2.5-3-3-7/10. Any looser and u lose massive performance. If u need more headroom over 2.5-3-3-7 then use a divider. You will have less of a performance hit.

How big of a performance hit and where exactly? I tried running at 270mhz using lower timings but they didn't seem to work so sell, maybe I need an ocz booster? I might just wait till I can upgrade to a dfi mb and the ocz vx series memory

msimax
09-03-2005, 08:44 PM
good stuff guy how much ?

thats probably gunna be TCC5 be mindful of that stuff its not known to work very good on NON NF4 boards.
i have the OCZ PC4800 Platinum and it is pretty much designed only for the Nforce 4 boards like the DFI and ASUS.

i can only get around 280 2.4-4-3-10 on the neo2. even if i go to 3-4-4-10 or 3-5-5-10 it wont go any higher.

also try to stay with 2.7v my ram dont really work any better with more Volts. but try 2.8 and 2.85

does the X2 have the unlocked multipliers ? i hope so cuz then you can really crank the ram as far as the board will let you otherwise your gunna be stuck at a low ram speed.

lastly.. my ram can go 242mhz 2-3-2-10 so try that for yours also when you mess with different speeds.


and Acyd -

i didnt mena to imply you were lazy or dumb or anything, just surprises me that people ask certain questions here cuz it would take way way less time to go to google or the msi site and find the info.
and the JBAT1 jumper or reset cmos is in the manual and pretty clearly marked if i remember correctly but its been a while since i saw a NEO2 manual lol.

ur right after days of testing i can get 285 7-4-3-2.5 out of these things not complaining they offered me 3ghz stability plus if i upgrade to nf4 i know ddr600+ is in reach..

i can do ddr600 but only with 2t is that setting really that bad?

plus im playing nfsu at 3ghz with the 183 div so mem is at 271 my x800 aet to 650/580 all i have to sayis :woot: plus with GTR i can 39 cars on screen
with no hicup

Lestat
09-03-2005, 08:58 PM
very good stuff guy.

all ddr600 ram's that i personally have read about are only rated to run 300mhz 1:1 on the dfi boards or the asus NF4 boards if its an nforce 3 board then you have to run 2T which is just horrible performance.

Aardman
09-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Now I have run some of the Mainboard utilities from the Ultimaite Boot CD, looking for erros to explain my ongoing invisible/inoperative onboard IEEE 1394 and PCI cards..

The "PC Config" and NSSI Mainboard utilities both show "ROM PCI routing table appears faulty" errors.

More info from thje BIOS section of NSSI:

"Table version OK size 320 bytes OK IRQs assigned to PCI 3,5,7,10,11, 14 +15. IRQs 5 7 10 + 11 showing 2 PCI devices. Table Checksum 44h-FAILED."

Some of that sounds bad. Possibly relevant. Clue me in please anyone on what it means and if it does indeed relate to the firewire PCI card issue...

msimax
09-03-2005, 09:46 PM
not really at 300*10 1/1 my games are super fast my guess is the cpu clock makes up for it .plus im getting 7268 read in everest

msimax
09-03-2005, 09:55 PM
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6415/imga01117hh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9315/imga01126wq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



just showing what i can boot at. every thing good except test5 with every mhz i go up its like 5 more errors exactly wish i knew more about tccd :confused:

Vega
09-04-2005, 03:50 AM
one is the real one and one is the modded one.
wasnt that easy ? lol ;)

the modded one has the hidden options enabled and some memory tweaks done

I presume you can handle all those memory tweaks in A64 tweak, right?

Can you raise chipset voltage in any biosversion?

Lestat
09-04-2005, 04:52 AM
no there is no chipset voltage settings in a neo2
and no you cant raise chipset voltages with anything in windows.

the only "chipset" is the southbridge which has nothing to do with overclocking. Well, thats kind of not true but the true nature of a southbridge really doesnt effect overclocking really much. The northbridge is what holds your overclocking. But since there is no northbridge on an AMD64 system. :\

There is the trick of raising the AGP voltage to adjust "chipset" voltages. but this has never been a proven fact with the NEO2 boards.
Me personally i stand by my own testing that AGP voltages dont effect overclocks. The only board that i ever knew of right off the top of my head that used the AGP voltages in that way was the DFI 875P-T 775 board. But it's not like ive tested or used a butt load of boards.


MSIMAX -

those are some AWESOME screens. Is that with 1T or 2T ? even with 2T thats some damn fine settings on this board and that chip you have.

way to go, keep it up! How is your performance doing with the X2, seriously is it THAT MUCH better ? or do you really not feel the performance unless your gaming or something. ?

uniacid
09-04-2005, 11:17 AM
ok I'm starting to really hate this board, I ran it last night fine at 2.7ghz 270mhz fsb, I had to up the timings to 3-4-4-10 so anyways I turn it off b/c last night it was raining, so I turn it on when I wake up and now it doesn't want to work with the exact timings I previously used.... or even timings I used with my FX53, I set the multi to 9 for example to test the mem and at 270 it does not want to work anymore, I think I'm just going to get rid of this board

msimax
09-04-2005, 11:35 AM
no there is no chipset voltage settings in a neo2
and no you cant raise chipset voltages with anything in windows.

the only "chipset" is the southbridge which has nothing to do with overclocking. Well, thats kind of not true but the true nature of a southbridge really doesnt effect overclocking really much. The northbridge is what holds your overclocking. But since there is no northbridge on an AMD64 system. :\

There is the trick of raising the AGP voltage to adjust "chipset" voltages. but this has never been a proven fact with the NEO2 boards.
Me personally i stand by my own testing that AGP voltages dont effect overclocks. The only board that i ever knew of right off the top of my head that used the AGP voltages in that way was the DFI 875P-T 775 board. But it's not like ive tested or used a butt load of boards.


MSIMAX -

those are some AWESOME screens. Is that with 1T or 2T ? even with 2T thats some damn fine settings on this board and that chip you have.

way to go, keep it up! How is your performance doing with the X2, seriously is it THAT MUCH better ? or do you really not feel the performance unless your gaming or something. ?


those are with 2t . x2 are crazy its like if u over clock to 2.8 u have yourself a fx57 dont forget your overclocked so mem peformance is higher. now
imagine 2 cpus at 3.0ghz ...I make a dvds from my camcorder man this thing flies, just put it this way i cant play need for speed underground till i find a way to slow the screen down ,and this game uses both cpus i run it with task screen open and its about 50/50 usage..

also mem at ddr600 2t i feel its faster than my bh5

uniacid
09-04-2005, 12:29 PM
I'm currently going to stay stock until I can get a dfi nf4, it doesn't make sense why this board is acting up like that

Lestat
09-04-2005, 02:08 PM
your saying NFS U 2 actually runs faster cuz its a bug with dual cores?
have you written EA tech support to let them know ?

thats pretty odd. like VERY odd.

I've heard that the X2's were awesome for video encoding and such but have never asked anyone

wish i could afford one cuz id be ordering me one lol.

hell i can't even afford a dfi board so i have aneo2 thats dieing and i cant afford to replace it. i just keep lowering the cpu so it runs stable.... :\

hell i would take another neo2 if i caould get one cheap enough.

msimax
09-04-2005, 05:10 PM
i got problems again i get ram beeps but what happens is with my x2 i can only use dimm slot 2. on and off i can use slot 1 then i put my whinnie back in and slot 1 post all the time is this a cpu issuse or the board its not the xblk cause i memtest it and using it to write this i sent my board out for rma before but they said nothing was wrong came back working though. i wish i new if its the cpu or the neo2

msimax
09-04-2005, 05:11 PM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Lestat
09-04-2005, 05:33 PM
this is a board issue MSIMAX

this happens to alot of people when you go THAT high with the HTT.

Frankly and ive seen this MANY MANY times and even on my own board. friggin slot one is a piece of crap and has TONS of issues.

try moving your ram back to slots 3 and 4 and see if it does it.
Also try swapping the sticks around see if one of them is bad.

there is no need to sit there and yank the cpu in and out.

and frankly i dont know why you would even think about doing that. Just reset the jumper on the motherboard to reset the cmos...

fall back a little on your HTT and it wont happen. I really only see it happen when 1) your using a DDR Boostger and your putting over 3.4v into the ram
or 2) you have your HTT at or above 300 HTT.

what is the CPU Multiplier on that chip ? 10x ? 11x ?
just leave it at default and see how far you can go with your ram and cpu and then see if you start having the beeping error.
if it keeps happening then RMA the board and never get another one.
Just go get the DFI board..

msimax
09-04-2005, 07:25 PM
it happens at stock settings

Lestat
09-04-2005, 07:50 PM
ouch thats a bad thing
switch the sticks around see if it still happens.
then try 1 stick at a time.
then take the ram and try it in another system if you have it.
i doubt its the cpu infact i dont think the cpu can do that.
It's either the ram or the motherboard.

the fact that it works when you swap cpu's i THINK is becuase you have removed power from the motherboard totally.

try this.
next time it happens. power down and unplug the wall cord from the psu then hit the pwr button so the rest of the power is disipated from the board.
walk away for 10-15 min ok now come back plug in the psu and see what happens.
you may also need to reflash the bios.. i DOUBT that is whats causing it but a corrupted bios can do all kinds of wierd stuff

msimax
09-04-2005, 09:32 PM
well u wont belive what it was. some of the dielectric grease wasnt in the middle of the cpu when i installed it. so when i examined it i noticed corrosion on the center pins just a little bit but i guess enuff so over time they didnt have good contact. so once i found that out i gave it a bath and then put a good amount of grease on it put it back in samething happened. took it out clear the grease and went over every inch, right in middle was a bent pin. guess all the grease made it do that so i did some surgery with tweezers and i got it running . going to test it :clap:

Lestat
09-04-2005, 10:02 PM
hmm i forgot you were using subzero chilling

bent pin huh? sounds like you been swapping cpu's too much and got careless.
out of all my hardware days thats one of the things ive never done. and hope i never do.
good luck getting her fixed. im not sure how it locked down with a bent pin. but there's a big big chance the cpu is now toast.... its possible it fried the part of the cpu with the memory controller or it did something and damaged the electrical components of the cpu socket on the mobo.

good luck guy i hope you didnt toast that cpu.

msimax
09-04-2005, 10:49 PM
all is well for now im back up

Raillex
09-04-2005, 11:02 PM
Since this is the Neo2 tips and tricks thread, I wondered if anyone might be willing to share a tip on how to get my Neo2 Plat to run any faster than 285 MHz 1:1 dual channel using G.Skill PC-4400 LE. The board will do 9X285 9-3-3-2.5 3X HTT @2.65v vdimm without breaking a sweat but I start getting errors in Memtest at 286 MHz no matter what the voltage and no matter what trcd or trp values I use. Raising CL from 2.5 to 3 nets me a few more error-free Memtest MHZ to 289 but prevents me from even booting into Windows.

My 3700+ tops out at 2.69 GHz@1.6v and I was kind of hoping to make up for its shortcomings by running it at 9X299 instead of my usual 10X269. Am I smoking something here or what?

Lestat
09-05-2005, 05:56 AM
Since this is the Neo2 tips and tricks thread, I wondered if anyone might be willing to share a tip on how to get my Neo2 Plat to run any faster than 285 MHz 1:1 dual channel using G.Skill PC-4400 LE. The board will do 9X285 9-3-3-2.5 3X HTT @2.65v vdimm without breaking a sweat but I start getting errors in Memtest at 286 MHz no matter what the voltage and no matter what trcd or trp values I use. Raising CL from 2.5 to 3 nets me a few more error-free Memtest MHZ to 289 but prevents me from even booting into Windows.

My 3700+ tops out at 2.69 GHz@1.6v and I was kind of hoping to make up for its shortcomings by running it at 9X299 instead of my usual 10X269. Am I smoking something here or what?


ok well what happens when you lower the cpu multi to 7x ?
I would consider myself VERY lucky to have tccd ram that runs that high on such low volts, its not very often you see ram like that.

overall it's a mix of the cpu and the ram and the mobo.

you just gotta mess around a bit.
1)
raise your vdimm
2)
lower your cpu multiplier.
3)
lower the HTT Multi to 2.5x
4)
raise your vcore slightly to help stabalize the cpu/memcontroller
5)
raise your AGP voltages to 1.6 or 1.65
6)
lower the ram to 183 or 166 depending on whaqt bios your using, then lower the cpu multi far enough that you can raise the HTT high enough to go higher then where you are right now.

over all if none of that works then

WELCOME TO THE MSI NEO2 PLATINUM OWNERS CLUB!!! and get used to issues like this. lol. your not alone my friend. mine dies at 270-ish actual memory speed.

most of the neo2's that i have seen or used have this issue and there is no fix. you can TRY RMA'ing it but i doubt MSI will RMA it. and you probably would get a motherboard that's worse.

1:1 NEO2's start getting realllllyyyyy flakey at around 275-ish. not all of them but a good many of them.

Lastly... and probably even just as important and forgotten about my AMD64 owners... alot of AMD64's have pretty flakey Memory controllers and there is no fix.. no matter what you do, it wont get higher but running the memory on a divider can sometimes help but usually not.

Sideeffect also has a TCCD bios that has memory settings made up for TCCD ram. look for one of his posts on this page or the last page and he has a link in his sig for his bios's. Grab the 1.B3 TCCD version and give it a try. it might help.

msimax
09-05-2005, 06:24 AM
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1356/imga01109ar.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/176/imga01119xx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6941/imga01123yg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1567/imga01169hm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1976/imga01199up.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3162/imga01205ao.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i was just bored :)
i think its time for dfi but i want to wait and see what ATI does going to start tweaking timmings :p:

Lestat
09-05-2005, 06:35 AM
holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: MSIMAX

i mean seriously holy mother of god

im gunna email these pictures of Sean at OCZ and tell him to stick this OCZ PC4800 Platinum up his arse.
i cant even get past 270 without issues.


what voltages you running ?
and does that boot into windows ? if so get some cpu-z verified screens you may just have some record breaking ram there dude. serious that ram is unheard of.

msimax
09-05-2005, 06:53 AM
i just modded my booster with a 15 turn pot so thats with 3.0 volts even

Lestat
09-05-2005, 07:07 AM
why would you mod it ?

msimax
09-05-2005, 07:25 AM
because the stock trimmer sucks and if u keep adjusting it wears out quick. with the mod
the voltage is more precise and i check with a dmm ex.. if i want to go from 2.9v to 2.93or to2.95 u will NEVER get that stock also i put mosfets on the back of the board to keep all that heat away.and it also helps air flow it works well,and i will say a must for runnig bh5 ch5 or any utt and trying to find the upper limits

msimax
09-05-2005, 07:27 AM
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7017/imga01226ni.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4563/imga01237qq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

msimax
09-05-2005, 07:30 AM
hey sideeffect can make a tccd ver of 1.b3

Lestat
09-05-2005, 07:41 AM
yeah the one thing that pisses me off the most about my booster is that if i power off or reboot the voltages change. mostly when i power off then power back on the voltages are never the same.

thats one brutal looking mod dude lol... but if it works...
i sent you a pm msimax read it...

Raillex
09-05-2005, 07:42 AM
ok well what happens when you lower the cpu multi to 7x ?
I didn't try 7X mainly because I'd never be able to run anywhere near the 330 MHz I'd need to reach my 2.69 GHz goal on the CPU.


I would consider myself VERY lucky to have tccd ram that runs that high on such low volts, its not very often you see ram like that.
Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised to see it run so well with so little juice, which is exactly the opposite of my SD. I have a feeling this RAM would absolutely fly if the mobo would only let it.


1)
raise your vdimm.
I did, all the way to 2.85v. The more volts I pump into it, the more errors I get in Memtest. Like I say, the RAM works just fine with 2.65v @ 9X285, so I don't think it's a voltage issue.


2)
lower your cpu multiplier.
I'll check it out and see what happens, but I think it will defeat the purpose since I just can't see this RAM running the 330 MHz it will take to get my SD back to my 2.69 GHz goal.


3)
lower the HTT Multi to 2.5x.
Tried that, no help.


4)
raise your vcore slightly to help stabalize the cpu/memcontroller.
Tried that too, no help.


5)
raise your AGP voltages to 1.6 or 1.65.
Yep, that too.


6)
lower the ram to 183 or 166 depending on whaqt bios your using, then lower the cpu multi far enough that you can raise the HTT high enough to go higher then where you are right now.
I thought about that, but decided against it since I would never be able to run the RAM anywhere near its potential due to my low CPU ceiling.


... alot of AMD64's have pretty flakey Memory controllers and there is no fix.. no matter what you do, it wont get higher but running the memory on a divider can sometimes help but usually not.
It could be the memory controller, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's the Neo2 itself. When I first put this rig together, I had an awful time cold booting at anything over 250 MHz as described in this thread. (http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=398717) NFM's 1.36 and 1.8 SD bioses fixed that problem and I haven't had an issue since. My point is that this problem appeared after reaching a nice, round 250 MHz figure, not 249, not 247, not 253, but 250 right on the nose. This, plus the fact that MSI's core center overclocking software also just happened to max out at 250 MHz, made me suspect that a this was an artificial ceiling set by MSI's bios writers when they wrote the 1.9 series bios. I'm seeing the same pattern here with this nice, round 285 MHz RAM limit and since other NF3 boards don't seem to have this "feature" at 285 MHz, something tells me I'm dealing with yet another arbitrary MSI-imposed ceiling.


Sideeffect also has a TCCD bios that has memory settings made up for TCCD ram. look for one of his posts on this page or the last page and he has a link in his sig for his bios's. Grab the 1.B3 TCCD version and give it a try. it might help.
Tried that one too, no help.

sideeffect
09-05-2005, 08:27 AM
Msi has released another beta of the 1.b bios.

Only change they listed was USB 2.0 works.

Well weve been enabling the usb 2.0 since the 1.9 bios and its always worked :p:

Well maybe MSI did some other things too. I made a mod bios of the 1.B4 with the extra dividers and some more relaxed memory timings.

you can get that from my site.

Ill make a tccd version of the 1.B final when that comes out. It will be soon im sure.

Raillex
09-05-2005, 09:01 AM
Well maybe MSI did some other things too. I made a mod bios of the 1.B4 with the extra dividers and some more relaxed memory timings.

you can get that from my site.
Hmmm... I looked there but can't seem to find a 1.B4 version. Which one is it?

I was thinking that one thing that could help me if I can't bust out of this 285 MHz RAM ceiling is a working 216 MHz divider. Any chance of this happening?

sideeffect
09-05-2005, 09:15 AM
I changed my link so it goes to the homepage and not the 1.A official bios now.

Lestat
09-05-2005, 09:44 AM
Raillex -

you have one of the infamous NEO2 boards with the mhz bug. My board tops out around 270mhz no matter if i run a divder or not.
My HTT tops out at 370-ish

im not sure what you mean by "wanting to run the ram at 330mhz"

MSIMAX is the first guy i have ever seen who has run a NEO2 board that high. and he was running 2T i believe.

Over all in general you picked the wrong board to go crazy with high memory settings at a 1:1 ratio.
If your running it at 269 right now then you may have just reached the max of the board.
and the max of the cpu/memcontroller.

honestly run the cpu at 7x and then raise the ram some more see what happens.
with TCCD based ram a Nforce 4 DFI board or ASUS board is the only thing thats gunna get you close to 300mhz 1:1 1T its just not gunna do it on a NOE2. and like i say if it does then you have one of the rare neo2's that does.

You have pretty much done everything already except lower the cpu to 7x and/or run the ram on a divider.

try those and if it dont work. , once again i say "Welcome to the Neo2 and Hating It" owners club. This board has been nothing but issue after issue since its release. but more so than any other has been its horrible FSB stability. its always been called the "250mhz bug"

Raillex
09-05-2005, 10:21 AM
What I said was I just can't see this RAM making it to 330, which is what I would I would have to do in order to get the CPU up to respectable levels with an 8X or lower multi. My goal is 9X300 1:1 1T, which is, as you point out, doable with a few of the other NF3 boards.

I made a conscious decision not to buy another DFI board because my last one, an NFII Ultra Infinity, fried my Geforce ti4600 out of the blue one day after only a year's worth of use as well as the brand new Radeon 9800 Pro I bought to replace it. I also got sick and tired of that board corrupting my bios with every failed overclock and I'm not convinced from reading people's experiences at various DFI forums that the newer DFI boards are any more reliable.

At least it's nice to know that I've pretty much maxxed this thing out so I can stop banging my head against the wall.

msimax
09-05-2005, 10:43 AM
quick ? iwas running at ddr620 and at 3.0 - 3.1 volt the errors are starting to go down is this burning in. i remember reading that some tccd likes volt if so what should be my max


bbl

msimax
09-05-2005, 10:45 AM
update just now i got no errors in test 5 for the past 3 test i have to leave so bbl :-)

uniacid
09-05-2005, 10:58 AM
I wonder if I had a ocz booster if my problems would be solved, but its odd how I can't use settings I've used before now, and raillex I understand how you'd feel against DFI but they are a lot better now I must say but you can always for for the MSI NF4 board