PC Power & Cooling PSU.....The "BLACK" Power.....

[hipro5]

As title says........BLACK Power...... :D

I wonder why?......The computer just crunching fad..... :(


http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/PSU1_jpg.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/PSU2_jpg.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/PSU3_jpg.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/PSU4_jpg.jpg

[Dissolved]

Nice, I Wish i Paid 200+ for that PCP&C :(

Then i could have that nice burnt Smell To wake me up in the morning :D


*cough*Time for OCZ*cough*

[Jeff]

Ouch! :eek:

They will definitely want that one back for testing. I wouldn't be surprised if they overnight you another one and include an overnight shipping label for that one to be returned.

Again... ouch!

[Dissolved]

thats what happeneds when you turn your 3.3v into a secondary 5v line :)

[hipro5]

thats what happeneds when you turn your 3.3v into a secondary 5v line :)

Yes ........ BUT this is the 12Volts line though........ :D ;)

[Dissolved]

Yes ........ BUT this is the 12Volts line though........ :D ;)


Damn those 15v Pelts! :D

[hipro5]

Damn those 15v Pelts! :D

:D :D


Accualy it's not mine.......It's a friends of mine who is doind FAD crunching...... ;) :D

[p4z1f1st]

what he put the 12v-rail to?

really 15v? :eek:

[hipro5]

what he put the 12v-rail to?

really 15v? :eek:

No.......not at all........He works with a P4 CPU and watercooling at almost 3700MHz - I think - ......

[bias_hjorth]

Ofcause it short circuted.. There´s no fan :D
Looking away from the bad jokes could it really be that these turbo-cool arent that good at all?

[Dissolved]

Ofcause it short circuted.. There´s no fan :D
Looking away from the bad jokes could it really be that these turbo-cool arent that good at all?


Thats the rumor I've Heard ;)

[hipro5]

Ofcause it short circuted.. There´s no fan :D
Looking away from the bad jokes could it really be that these turbo-cool arent that good at all?

I think that they are up with the best out there.......Propably this was a "bad" part......Their design is PERFECT and it's NEW......Nothing to do OR compare with the other PSUs out there.......Most of them are "following" the same rules as for the design....Cheep bakelite PCBs and stuff to reduce the cost.......PC Power & Cooling has EPOXY PCB and GOOD components.....They have ALSO good output fillters from all their lines......Coils for 30 and 40 Ampers and not for 20 Ampers like some others - well known - .....So my final words are that this was maybe a "bad" component that started to act strange and happent this..... :)

[Vryada]

OMFG! What happened to your hardware?!?!?!

[hipro5]

OMFG! What happened to your hardware?!?!?!

It's not mine........His hardware is OK...... ;)

[masterofpuppets]

Well, my PCP&C has been working fine for ages. Maybe two wires touched, or a capacitor died. Or a short circuit or something.

[mrlobber]

Thats the rumor I've Heard ;)

Where?

[Filter]

just cause theres one problem like this doesnt mean they automatically suck now and we should boycot them. wierd stuff happens to even the best.

[Dissolved]

Where?


secret sourses :)

[Iridium192_217]

Ouch.

That looks nasty.

[craig588]

Where?

Search for some of my posts, I had a huge argument with people about PCPNP that still is not resolved. Its on hiatus untill a few people buy some non review PCPNP PSUs without givng PCPNP any indication that they are going to buy them (None of the review units have problems when being tested on a Oscope, but many of the normal ones do) and then testing them with a Oscope.

[Dissolved]

Search for some of my posts, I had a huge argument with people about PCPNP that still is not resolved. Its on hiatus untill a few people buy some non review PCPNP PSUs without givng PCPNP any indication that they are going to buy them (None of the review units have problems when being tested on a Oscope, but many of the normal ones do) and then testing them with a Oscope.


Yuh, ive never owned one. But ive used about 4-5 brands, and ill tell you the OCZ is Nice.. The Sinks are the best and biggest ive seen and it has adj pots :)

[oc-rookie]

I have both the PCPC 510 Deluxe and the OCZ 520. Guess which one is powering my fans....

[Jeff]

That's simple... the OCZ.

[oc-rookie]

Exactly!

The ATX adaptor you are forced to use which coupled with the booster than becomes another adaptor (clean power huh?), the trim pots being way too touchy, the available tails with usable molex's, and the overall over hype. I'll take the 510 deluxe over any xxx watt from anyone else.

Don't get me wrong OCZ has done good things for overclocking, but don't believe all the hype coming out of the marketing department. :rolleyes:

BTW I don't get anything for free from anyone. Biased? I think not.

[craig588]

Have you tested it with a Oscope? Thats the problem with them, everything else looks fine.

[oc-rookie]

I test with 3D and personal preference. Should I bench with an scope?

[craig588]

Yeah, if you have one test with it! It might be very useful.

[Susquehannock]

Ouch! :eek:

They will definitely want that one back for testing. I wouldn't be surprised if they overnight you another one and include an overnight shipping label for that one to be returned.

Again... ouch!

Agreed.
Problems with PCP&C are rare. But when they do pop up PCP&C is very
good about replacements from what I've seen.

[gkiing]

I've never heard of anyone with a PCP&C PSU that melted down on them like that.. weird. Was the fan running when the unit was on? It probably just shorted out from the vmod, I know PCP&C PSU's have very tight line tolerances for voltage fluctuation (1% instead of 5% on regular psu's).

[hipro5]

I've never heard of anyone with a PCP&C PSU that melted down on them like that.. weird. Was the fan running when the unit was on? It probably just shorted out from the vmod, I know PCP&C PSU's have very tight line tolerances for voltage fluctuation (1% instead of 5% on regular psu's).


Yes the fan was working all right.....It has melted too..... ;)

I think - in my opinion - that the PSU's must have a high temperature protection cirquit built in them for security reasons......

[Nimrod0031]

Good thing it didn't catch firegood thing it didn't catch fire :eek:

[Hallowed]

Exactly!

The ATX adaptor you are forced to use which coupled with the booster than becomes another adaptor (clean power huh?), the trim pots being way too touchy, the available tails with usable molex's, and the overall over hype. I'll take the 510 deluxe over any xxx watt from anyone else.

Don't get me wrong OCZ has done good things for overclocking, but don't believe all the hype coming out of the marketing department. :rolleyes:

BTW I don't get anything for free from anyone. Biased? I think not.

Same.

I've had many modded PSU's, TTGI's, Sparkle, Antecs and Vantecs.

Guess which PSU resides in my case now? Just a hint: Its black and throws 38A on the 12v rail. ;)

That said, the TTGI was a great PSU.

[masterofpuppets]

I have had my PCP&C running 24/7 with my 4.8GhZ P4EE running Prime 95 with no problems whatsoever. Maybe the burnt out PSU was faulty or motherboard shorted it out :P

[Rabbi_NZ]

OOoh thats nasty! If I woke to my PC smelling of smoke I would be very nervous... that reminds me, better get some home contents insurance soon...

I've had a PCPNC 510 for bout 6months running maxed rails with a fair bit of load with no complaint what so ever, it's been a great PSU for me. I dont hav a scope at home or I would post pics of the rails... would be interesting...

[hipro5]

I have had my PCP&C running 24/7 with my 4.8GhZ P4EE running Prime 95 with no problems whatsoever. Maybe the burnt out PSU was faulty or motherboard shorted it out :P

P4EE at 4.8GHz Prime stable 24/7.........?......at 1.75Vcore....?.......Cooling?.... :)

[Crankster]

Modded mach 2 IIRC

[masterofpuppets]

Not 24/7 stable. Prime95 had a few errors, but only after about 15 hours.

[hipro5]

Not 24/7 stable. Prime95 had a few errors, but only after about 15 hours.

That's cool.........Any 3D 2k1 at that high and your VGA.....?... ;)

[100]

Ygpm Hipro

[WesM63]

I love my PCNPC 510W (non deluxe, bought it before they came out with them) Thing has been rock soild for oh wow.. year and a half now. Best $200 i've ever spent!

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

wow, thats the first time ive ever seen a turbo cool burn out. but think about it this way, pc p&c must be doing something right that when their psu's burn out they dont take all the hardware with them. ya hear of many antecs and enermax's dieing and taking cpu's and video cards with them.

[Hallowed]

Just to explain:

The 510 Deluxe's and up will do this. Its a technology called Active PFC, which is intelligent line conditioning.

It works and adjusts to load conditions. If you have your oscilloscope hooked to the ATX connector, the PSU still knows there is no load - no line conditioning.

This is why even with the rumors swimming around, PC P&C units still get massive overclocks and are generally regarded by those such as Hipro (FSB champ) to be the best of the best.

But continue on with conspiracy theories. :)

[hipro5]

Despite the jokes.........To be honest.........I took a good look at it's circuit and I MUST confess that it's one of the BEST PSU out there.......VERY well sophisticated - very well designed - GOOD components on it :banana:happens all the time - as for the one that came in my hands ) - and VERY intelligent design too......All I have to say about it is that this PSU rocks big time......I wish I have a 700 watts unit of it if ever made...... ;) :banana:

[Hallowed]

Despite the jokes...

Exactly. ;)

[[XC] serlv]

I wish I have a 700 watts unit of it if ever made...... ;) :banana:

Would 850 (http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/whatnew_850_ETX.htm) work for ya? :cool:

[hipro5]

Would 850 (http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/whatnew_850_ETX.htm) work for ya? :cool:

No shi(f)t........!.........Now you are telling me this?............I've just bought a ZIPPY 700W.......... :)

Well...........I'll see what I can do.......... :D

[[XC] serlv]

Hehe, just saw mention of it, recently, in the latest Maximum PC. When I saw your comment, above, bout 700w, I thought, "let me check PCP&C's site". I don't think it is available quite yet, but its' introduction is imminent.

[agenda2005]

That 850W is a BEAST! :slobber: That thing will power 4 way opteron with no problem. I hope I can get my hand on one of those.

I have a 510W PC Power cooling Deluxe and I can tell you it's a beuty. That's probably one of my best investment on hardware.

[Dissolved]

No shi(f)t........!.........Now you are telling me this?............I've just bought a ZIPPY 700W.......... :)

Well...........I'll see what I can do.......... :D


Zippy does have the !@#@! 12v lines with low amperage.

Untill Psus, have multi 12v lines at 20+amps i dont think they can compare to the Zippy with 45amps on a single Line.

[hipro5]

Zippy does have the !@#@! 12v lines with low amperage.

Untill Psus, have multi 12v lines at 20+amps i dont think they can compare to the Zippy with 45amps on a single Line.

You are right .........BUT.......you can "parallalise" the 12V lines together so as to achive more current........ ;)

[Skip]

what do you end up seeing with an oscope that you don't see in a voltmeter then?

[Dissolved]

what do you end up seeing with an oscope that you don't see in a voltmeter then?

you see how clean the lines are. i dont really know how to explain this, but the Cleaner the voltage the mopre stable your lines and system will be.

Hip: is it really worth modding all the 12v lines together tho? i can See 4 12v lines as being good or better then a shared line, but unless the extra lines can be Cleaner and provide a good amount of amperage i still dont see a benifit. Crappy thing is, ALL psu companys seem to be moving to seperate 12v lines, which im still undecied if thats the way to go.

[[XC] serlv]

You are right .........BUT.......you can "parallalise" the 12V lines together so as to achive more current........ ;)


slightly OT, but
Can you give a real quick, simple, laymen's description of how that would be done? I don't know shiite about electrical, but have often wondered if ( and how ) that can be done.

I see all these various PSUs with dual 12v rails and wonder if they can be "combined", or i guess "parrallelized".


Scott

[Dissolved]

i believe if you just connect all the positive lines on each 12v they will become one and share the amps, but im not too sure.

[hipro5]

you see how clean the lines are. i dont really know how to explain this, but the Cleaner the voltage the mopre stable your lines and system will be.

Hip: is it really worth modding all the 12v lines together tho? i can See 4 12v lines as being good or better then a shared line, but unless the extra lines can be Cleaner and provide a good amount of amperage i still dont see a benifit. Crappy thing is, ALL psu companys seem to be moving to seperate 12v lines, which im still undecied if thats the way to go.

Example : I have a SilverStone "Zeus series" 520Watts PSU here for a review........It DOESN'T have a 4 pin connector for the VCore Mos-Fets.......It's ONLY with 8 pin connector.....The front cables of this 8 pins connector are yellow(+12V) and the back cables are black(ground).....NOW the two "center" yellow ones are from the first 12V line(16A) and the two "sided" (one on the end left and the other on the end right) are the other 12V line(15A).....When you plug it into the 4 pin VCore connector , the ONLY way it fits in is when a 12V of the one line and one 12V of the other line(side by side) are both pluged in - if you can understand what I mean by this - So it accualy works with BOTH of the 12V lines for the VCore........It drags 1/2 current from the first 12V line and 1/2 current from the second 12V line........ ;)

[Skip]

i know that oscopes measure voltage with respect to time, so with that you would see all the fluctuations, whereas with a voltmeter is only refreshes like every second? am i off base or no.

[roadkiller]

Joining the club :(

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/2581/510del13lp.jpg
http://img245.echo.cx/img245/3767/510del22po.jpg
http://img245.echo.cx/img245/79/510del36vu.jpg

Optimal cooling (right next to open side panel and other side had a grill) and no mods performed. Guess mistakes happen, even with a top of the line manufacturer.

[masterofpuppets]

Maybe it overheated? My Turbo-Cool puts out horrible amounts of heat, despite it's lovely heatsinkage and Delta fan. Although, the heatsinks aren't actually too hot, the fan is exhausting their heat. Hmm, in both instances, that particular component burnt up. Maybe they have a defective stock of those every now and then?

[roadkiller]

well, the air was not "warm" before it melted. Just a little bit heated up. Just enough to warm my hands on my previous lan where there was little or none heating :p: Pretty weird because it has been in this position for almost a year now.

[krille]

Well, PCPnC still has their 5 y warranty, right? However, this sorta starts to sound rather worrying. It's giving me the doubts, PCPnC 510 SLI or OCZ PS 600W for new rig?



Ofcause it short circuted.. There´s no fan :D
Looking away from the bad jokes could it really be that these turbo-cool arent that good at all?Thats the rumor I've Heard ;)
secret sourses :)
Yuh, ive never owned one. But ive used about 4-5 brands, and ill tell you the OCZ is Nice.. The Sinks are the best and biggest ive seen and it has adj pots :)You OCZ stock holder or something? Shame on you! :slapass:

[Bror]

hmm can this have anything to do with europeen voltage? "230v-not grounded" i got a blackpower myself(right now on a "tortur" trying to watercool it lol) and it was delivered with a us kabel, so i just hookd it up with an europeen standard cabel,it works but becuss of the noise i investigated the air coming out(holding my hand in front of it for a while,time to time;-) and it is rather cool,exept for a warm stream of air coming out from a low point in the hole , feels just like"new-made-hot-air" it just have to come from that burnd of 12v"spole" of yours , could it be the europeen voltages ore missing ground that corses the "heatfailure"?

[masterofpuppets]

PCP&C PSU's work fine on UK's 240v supply fine. Maybe certain PSU's have problems with Active PFC?

[Bror]

here in denmark , we got 220v (most commen 2-legs )

[kamaleon]

dont think being 220v or 120v has nothign to do with anything in regards to psu. main difference its frequency 50hz or 60hz but all psu are designed to work in that range, they all coem witha switch to specify which voltage u want to operate at..

[Bror]

dont think being 220v or 120v has nothign to do with anything in regards to psu. main difference its frequency 50hz or 60hz but all psu are designed to work in that range, they all coem witha switch to specify which voltage u want to operate at..
no- thats not true - blackpower comes without a switch , they say it it will switch automatecly.... :stick:

[xwoodoo]

My PCP&C 510W had almost same problem ... the coil for 12v rail was almost burned ... exactely when we tryed sang's dothan +my X1800XT .
I guess they do not like intel cpu:stick: .
Hipro i hope u did not burned the champ dotty :nono: ...

[Andrew LB]

I wont own anything other than PCP&C power supplies. Their silencer 400w served me flawlessly for two years running 24/7 until i just recently replaced it with a 510-SLI.