New! Intel goes full 64-bit!!!

[Kanavit]

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1081&s=1

1st sitings of box in Akiba, japan. The box has no color, which means it's mean for Xeons possibly. NO prices available atm, All i know is that LGA 775 with intel i925x supports EM64T and nx bit technology.

"LGA775 Pentium 4 retail box version with EM64T has surfaced in Akiba Japan where Intel has quietly released it earlier this week. The 64-bit Prescott comes in three speed grades; 3.2Ghz, 3.4Ghz and 3.6Ghz with S-Spec of SL7LA, SL7L8 and SL7L9 respectively. Although Intel has said that they are not releasing the 64-bit Prescott as a retail CPU, however, it is packed in a retail box although the box has no color. There is no price information regarding these 64-bit Prescott at the moment."

http://www.vr-zone.com/newspics/Aug04/09/P4-EM64T.jpg

[freecableguy]

It's B&W because it's OEM. Intel already released information stating that this CPU was not for re-sale and would only be included in orders from partners. It's not a Xeon. It's an LGA 775 chip, Prescott, 3.2/3.4/3.6Ghz "F" chip with EMT64 extentions. Yes, it is a desktop chip with 64-bit support.

[masterofpuppets]

I wonder how it will compare to the AMD64 technology.

[Çhrist0ph]

Originally posted by masterofpuppets
I wonder how it will compare to the AMD64 technology.

:lol:

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by masterofpuppets
I wonder how it will compare to the AMD64 technology.


Pretty difficult to judge 64 bit performance when nothing really supports it except some limited beta action..

[Kunaak]

and linux...

I think...

[pik-ard v1.1]

kanavit, i remember you saying(not to long ago) that 64-bit tech was just something that AMD added instead of implimenting a real advancement in technology?

EDIT: ah, here it is, your own words:


64-bit technology is a compensation for lack of clockspeed.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=491772#post491772

[WesM63]

I doubt it will make much of a diffrence, they allready have 3 dissadvantages.

1. Prescott core (we all know it sux0r)
2. LGA775 (what the hell are they thinking)
3. No cpu cooler.

On a good note, I can get one. Not that I ever would, but I can.

[masterofpuppets]

LGA775 will be ok when asus fix the oc lock. Who cares if it dont have a cooler, you could just build a custom method of fitting an existing cooler to the socket. Also, when they get around to releasing 64bit EE's, that will really ruin AMD as the technology is similar and intel have huge clock speed advantages.

[WesM63]

heh, the no cooler was just a joke ;)

If you don't remember EE's are done in November.

[Gogeta]

Originally posted by WesM63
If you don't remember EE's are done in November.

Isn't that only for the 478 3.2EE line?

[shafty]

Originally posted by masterofpuppets
LGA775 will be ok when asus fix the oc lock. Who cares if it dont have a cooler, you could just build a custom method of fitting an existing cooler to the socket. Also, when they get around to releasing 64bit EE's, that will really ruin AMD as the technology is similar and intel have huge clock speed advantages.

i dont think so. AMD has a much shorter pipeline.

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163

[HawainPanda]

neat, i wonder about their perf though

[Kalway]

Originally posted by shafty
i dont think so. AMD has a much shorter pipeline.

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163



Intel got pwned all over the place in that review. It was like comparing a Pentium 1 to an Athlon.

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
kanavit, i remember you saying(not to long ago) that 64-bit tech was just something that AMD added instead of implimenting a real advancement in technology?

EDIT: ah, here it is, your own words:


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=491772#post491772 EM64T is not exactly the same as AMD64, Intel reversed engineered the technology, EM64T runs 32-bit full legacy and emulates 64-bit, that's why the double pumpled ALU runs at only 1x core frequency speed with running 64-bit registers. there is also 2 different instructions from what i read which isn't the same as AMD 64. EM64T still has advantage of hyperthreading though.

[craig588]

64 bit doesn't make things faster, it just affects the amount of data that can be adressed, which in turn will eventually make things faster, but not when everything is still 32 bit, The code needs to be rewritten or at least recompiled.


Don't get me started on HT :D

[enzoR]

kanavit why do you keep on posting news in this forum? news is supposed to go to the front page not here.

[majewspj]

Hmm Kanavit when AMD does 64 bit its dumb, but when Intel does it ..... its best thing since sliced bread! I want you to admit ..... AMD actually had a good idea by going 64 bit and Intel must follow suit. I think it might be something to do with MS 64 bit support in future os'es. Face it Intel is behind AMD in processor technology .... at the moment!

[Sarcastro]

Originally posted by freecableguy
It's B&W because it's OEM.

Putting boxes on OEM products kinda defeats their purpose doesn't it?

[Charles Wirth]

Sarcasto, true. OEM = absense of retail packaging.
"LGA775 Pentium 4 retail box version with EM64T has surfaced in Akiba Japan"

Enzor, he can post news here.

[Wrench]

Intel emt64 = PEA 36 Bit. AMD can address 48 Bit memory and Intel can only address 36 Bit. AMD64 > EMT64.

PEA is from the p6 Core (pentium pro core) Nothing New about EMT64, its a half assed attempt by intel to get 64 Bit In their name.

EDIT BY FUGGER - PM sent

Yes Intel has Hyperthreading (Hypertrash) but AMD has Hypertransport.

Yes Intel is emulating more then AMD which will hurt them when it comes to big IRON industries that use 64+ gig of Memory.

[enzoR]

Originally posted by Wrench
Intel emt64 = PEA 36 Bit. AMD can address 48 Bit memory and Intel can only address 36 Bit. AMD64 > EMT64.

PEA is from the p6 Core (pentium pro core) Nothing New about EMT64, its a half assed attempt by intel to get 64 Bit In their name.

EDITED BY FUGGER - PM sent

Yes Intel has Hyperthreading (Hypertrash) but AMD has Hypertransport.

Yes Intel is emulating more then AMD which will hurt them when it comes to big IRON industries that use 64+ gig of Memory.

well said :D

[pik-ard v1.1]

Originally posted by Kanavit
EM64T is not exactly the same as AMD64, Intel reversed engineered the technology, EM64T runs 32-bit full legacy and emulates 64-bit, that's why the double pumpled ALU runs at only 1x core frequency speed with running 64-bit registers. there is also 2 different instructions from what i read which isn't the same as AMD 64. EM64T still has advantage of hyperthreading though.
that says exactly NOTHING to discount what i said. :rolleyes:

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by majewspj
AMD actually had a good idea by going 64 bit and Intel must follow suit.


Sorry to say, AMD didn't come up with this idea, Its a logical progression... Only thing AMD did was force Intel to do so on a modified schedule.

[freecableguy]

Would everyone PLEASE stop acting like AMD came up with 64-bit and that Intel is copying them? If were are going to act like this then lets talk about how AMD processors use 32-bit X86 instructions JUST LIKE INTEL.

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
that says exactly NOTHING to discount what i said. :rolleyes: is 64-bit advantageous? i'd say yes for workstation environment for scientific research data compiling heavy mathematical computations. However x86 is a very backward and bad foundation for 64-bit programs because of it's architectural nature a lot of bugs. I believe the IA-64 architecture is better for true 64-bit technology, it was designed from the ground up as a full 64-bit processor, while x86-64 is just an extension. The itanium is better than the opteron imho. However it is more expensive. AMD added 64-bit extension to aging x86 because they dont' have the resources to develope a new architecture.

Intel had no choice but to add x86-64 compatible instructions to compete with AMD 64, because of Microsoft will only make one 64-bit OS for desktop windows XP.

I ask myself a lot of times, Windows XP 64-bit will allow more than 4gb of memory address. Both AMD and Microsoft stands to win. Microsoft wants XP 64, to increase windows product line. AMD wants 64 to increase IPC and performance for old x86. Intel wants IA-64 to develope and eventually replace x86. Who is advancing technology?? Microsoft, AMD , or Intel. I'd say Intel. Think about it!!

[masterofpuppets]

Intel were doing 64bit long before amd afaik with the Itanium series. Plus, the itanium range is in full 64bit, no emulation at all.

[skate2snow]

Ok, the best way to have an intelligent answer on this is to be neutral....

The reason AMD64 technology was better then there 32bit is that they didnt only putted 64bit, they changed the way of connection to L3(RAMs) by puting a shorter link between them...
But Intel just putted a 64bit for futur, it wont affect current apps, ad when apps will start to have the benefit of 64bit, AMD will won if its what is on market right now.

And keep in mind for those who are talking about GHz, that in a comparasion between AMD and Intel, you cant talk about GHz....

[masterofpuppets]

I'm gonna go with skate2snow now and be neutral. Actually, the windows server platform is already 64bit in the form of windows server 64bit edition and for home users: windows xp pro 64bit.

[freecableguy]

I didn't understand a thing skate2snow said.

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by Kanavit
is 64-bit advantageous? i'd say yes for workstation environment for scientific research data compiling heavy mathematical computations. However x86 is a very backward and bad foundation for 64-bit programs because of it's architectural nature a lot of bugs. I believe the IA-64 architecture is better for true 64-bit technology, it was designed from the ground up as a full 64-bit processor, while x86-64 is just an extension. The itanium is better than the opteron imho. However it is more expensive. AMD added 64-bit extension to aging x86 because they dont' have the resources to develope a new architecture.


yeah buy an Itanic Kanavit!!!! the only real 64 bits processor!!! it's impressive!!! LOL!!!!

http://www.3dchips.net/content/review.php?id=76&page=5

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/vgstudio64bit.gif

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/ansys_wing_subs.gif

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/ansys_wing_lanb.gif

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/ansys_wing_pcg.gif

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/ansys_brakerotor.gif

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/ansys_carrier.gif

http://www.3dchips.net/test/hard/system/itanium2/ansys_wing_spar.gif


SECONDS in all test, less is better.

[skate2snow]

For Kanavit, Intel whould score 1 vs AMD 1020, he whould say that Intel is the big winner.

Freecableguy. I'm just saying that A64 from XP32 the bit transfer is not the only difference, and Intel only difference is the bit transfer.....

But it was not hard to understand too:rolleyes:

[Kanavit]

Petnorth, nice benchmarks. Wow, the Itanium did better than i thought. Just think how much better Itanium2 will be.

Skate2snow, your right. However, I'm not entirely confident about AMD's instructions atm. I won't be until retail Windows XP 64-bit edition is released and is accompanied by huge software support, and drivers.

If history repeats itself. Then AMD may indeed again successfully thwarted Intel's attempt to control industry standard. Much the days' of Rambus memory vs DDR. At that time intel was trying to push Dual channel Rambus upon us. DDR was cheaper and faster. So only dual channel part survived. AMD was responsible for the success of DDR. Now lets see how x86-64 fares, will AMD be able to do it again to Intel?? After software giant Microsoft is 100% behind them. I think so.

[craig588]

Originally posted by Kanavit
Petnorth, nice benchmarks. Wow, the Itanium did better than i thought. Just think how much better Itanium2 will be.


Getting beat in every test is better than you thought it would do? You really are a helpless Intel fan.

[skate2snow]

And he is considered as a mod, so do you think what every newbie that come and beleive him just becoze he is at mod grade....

[WesM63]

Oh geez lol, busting out the Itanium benchmarks. :rolleyes:

I'd hope it would perfrom that good, the dang thing cost $3000.

[Çhrist0ph]

kanavit, is Hellous the same place as hellas?

[masterofpuppets]

IMO, the only advantage of Itaniums is that they are true 64bit. I cant see any other after those benchmark results. @Kanavit: over half of your knowledge contributed to this thread is utter BS.

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by Kanavit
Petnorth, nice benchmarks. Wow, the Itanium did better than i thought. Just think how much better Itanium2 will be.

muhaha... the only problem (I'm sure little problem not important problem at all for you, Kanavit) is that the Itanic tested IS AN ITANIC 2 :p:

[enduracell]

Originally posted by Çhrist0ph
kanavit, is Hellous the same place as hellas? No it isn't. :)

[Kanavit]

Originally posted by PetNorth
muhaha... the only problem (I'm sure little problem not important problem at all for you, Kanavit) is that the Itanic tested IS AN ITANIC 2 :p: LOL, i just read the link. WOw, fair test setup. They gave 2.2ghz Opterons 8gb Pc2700 memory vs 1.3ghz Itanium2 with 16gb ECC PC2100 ram. I think the Itanium2 did pretty well. The Xeons were only 2.8ghz and again slower PC2100 memory.

I think the test were not fair, the latest Itanium2 is 1.6ghz speed, and the latest Xeon is 3.60ghz. If you look at the benchmarks, I think the test really showed well for Intel and how strongly their dated cpus faired against the new 2.2ghz Opterons with faster memory.

[skate2snow]

Ok, once and for all Kanavit! Intel is !!!OWNED!!! by AMD this round, and it wont be your false affirmation that will change that!

And I'm not taking for AMD, even far of that, even that my title at the other site is the Intel Addict.

But Intel is just OWNED ok! O*W*N*E*D

[WesM63]

A few things, Obviously the Opterons used ECC memory also (my Opteron system wouldn't boot without it), Opterons are both x86-32 and x86-64 so i'd hope a x-86-64 bit only cpu would do that well.

The Itanium's are great cpu's, however no one here and many buisness have no need to use them because of their cost/performance issues. The cost of 1 itanium system is equal to 3 maybe 4 dual opteron setups.

Intel wins this one, but they get owned in every other catagory out there.

[skate2snow]

Yea, what I meat is in general;).

And that is a 2000$ CPU vs a 300$ CPU....

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by skate2snow
Yea, what I meat is in general;).

And that is a 2000$ CPU vs a 300$ CPU....

http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/13/33TCworkstation_1.html

No comments on my part.

Donnie

[majewspj]

I dont think that a minor ramp in clock would make the Itanium catch the opteron in those benches .... let see it catch the Xeon first! Oh yeah HT is really helping the Xeon ... suck!

[skate2snow]

majewspj, On the quote you have in your sig, Kanavit just shows how he can be ingnorant....

HT is a technology proper to Intel, so no wonder they dont have it. And the effective clock is more powerfull on the A64 then on P4, so that dosnt meen anything....

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by Kanavit
LOL, i just read the link. WOw, fair test setup. They gave 2.2ghz Opterons 8gb Pc2700 memory vs 1.3ghz Itanium2 with 16gb ECC PC2100 ram. I think the Itanium2 did pretty well. The Xeons were only 2.8ghz and again slower PC2100 memory.

I think the test were not fair, the latest Itanium2 is 1.6ghz speed, and the latest Xeon is 3.60ghz. If you look at the benchmarks, I think the test really showed well for Intel and how strongly their dated cpus faired against the new 2.2ghz Opterons with faster memory.


:D :D :D :D

really, really reaaaaaaaaaaaaally hilarious, you are :p:

BTW, for your records, there is an Opteron 2,4GHz ;) (and they don't use DDR400, the mem for Opteron) ;)

[Donnie27]

http://www.top500.org/list/2004/06/

Donnie

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by Donnie27
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/13/33TCworkstation_1.html

No comments on my part.

Donnie

Here there is someone with some interesting comments about that unbiased and impartial "review":

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=ByhUc.635%24E7T1.234%40news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com&rnum=10

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by PetNorth
Here there is someone with some interesting comments about that unbiased and impartial "review":

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=ByhUc.635%24E7T1.234%40news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com&rnum=10

We're supposed to believe the first link as being impartial, right?

Let me guess, the Top 500 folks who test super computers are cheating as well, right? Before you jump me, my Wife is German, my Mother-in-law still lives there, I go there about once a year, my sister-in-law works at IBM Germany and my wife's little German Brother owns his own Computer Firm. Buys only Made in Germany Goods BTW. Unbiased?

Now back to this. It is cheating to use optimized software? Or is only unoptimized code allowed? Uh? So if they test the newest version of Adobe Premier Pro that's Optimized with Both SSE2 (Maybe even 3) and the newest version of Hyperthreading, they'd be cheating, right? But it is fair to use unoptimized code and not the fastest processors, WOW! For a minute there I thought I was at the AMDZone.com.

Let me guess, GamePC are Fans too?

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=noconaopteron&page=1

And these guys sell AMD and Intel systems. In most cases it will depend on what ran and other test conditions.

Donnie

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by Donnie27
But it is fair to use unoptimized code and not the fastest processors, WOW!

http://www.volumegraphics.com/products/vgstudiomax/


Originally posted by Donnie27
For a minute there I thought I was at the AMDZone.com.

uh?

[PetNorth]

SPECorg. Reference Professional application benchmarks developed with direct colaboration 3D/CAD software developers (Discreet, Alias, PTC, EDS, SolidWorks).

3DStudio:

http://www.spec.org/gpc/apc.data/specapc_3dsm6_summary.html

Maya:

http://www.spec.org/gpc/apc.data/apc_maya50_summary.html

PRO/Engineer:

http://www.spec.org/gpc/apc.data/apc_proe2001_summary.html

Solid Edge:

http://www.spec.org/gpc/apc.data/specapc_sev14_summary.html

SolidWorks:

http://www.spec.org/gpc/apc.data/specapc_sw2003_summary.html


PS: all single processor configurations.

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by PetNorth
http://www.volumegraphics.com/products/vgstudiomax/



uh?

Now give me a link saying it is using Itanium's EPIC, Intel SSE1, 2 or 3? How about HTT? Saying Itanium Ready is not quite the Same?

Sorry guy, but that was very sorry RAM used on the Bandwidth starved Xeon and slower Itaniums. Any review can be twist as even Hexus pointed in a review sponserd by AMD, shhesh!

Donnie

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04MjImdXJsX3BhZ2U9MTU =


The long held belief that you buy Xeon if you're doing professional media encoding is a fallacy. It's largely encoder-dependant. You can engineer it so a Xeon looks like it's the fastest in that field of application, but then you can also turn that on its head with a well chosen encoder suite, allowing the Opteron to show off.

Oh'
To sum up, small-cache Xeon just got usefully faster, but Opteron still easily holds the lead.

Many thanks to Boston and AMD with their help in putting the test systems together.


Donnie

[Peen]

sure AMD is faster then Intel in most stuff, but damn some of you guys are just addicted to them. I bet some of you wank it to stuff about AMD

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by Donnie27
Now give me a link saying it is using Itanium's EPIC, Intel SSE1, 2 or 3? How about HTT? Saying Itanium Ready is not quite the Same?

No Donnie. If you think 3Dchips review is biased, partial or their benchmarks erroneous, give me a link with evidences about your statement. Or at least prove it here yourself with evidences. Meanwhile, if you can't, excuse me but, shut up.



Originally posted by Donnie27
Sorry guy, but that was very sorry RAM used on the Bandwidth starved Xeon and slower Itaniums.

It seems you forget that they use slower Opteron, and RAM used with Opteron is DDR333, not DDR400.


ah... and my "uh?" was for your non sense "For a minute there I thought I was at the AMDZone.com."


Frankly, with Kanavit and you? (I hope not) or at least with some of your comments, for a minute there I thought I was at fanboyism intel forum (we are at Intel section forum, but I think not fanboyism). I own both, A64 and P4C. And I know A64 is overall better. Before, P4C was overall better than AXP. Etc... Sorry but my english isn't the best.

[PetNorth]

And why do I call to Itanium, Itanic?
Because I think it's a failure right now. It has been in the past and it is in the present. Obviously, I don't know in the future (although I suspect it).

For example, I'm sure you've read some weeks ago, that HP (I believe is HP, I don't remember exactly) was offering to companies for free Itanium machines to evaluate them. This isn't a good signal about Itanium's success, is it?

Or isn't a good signal about Itanium's success that one of the more important workstation software developers, PTC, has stopped Itanium support for their products: http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/itanium_letter.htm

[skate2snow]

Itanium is just NOT worth the price. Four Xeon will be the same price as one Itanium, and will be 10 times better....

And it is not because you love Intel that you have to defend them. Intel won big time w/ NW vs AXP, but since the A64, NW were pretty much on par, but since A64 S939, NW look pretty much pitty. NW connection to Level3(RAM) is true the NorthBridge, so it loose Bandwidth vs the A64 S939 which are connected directly to the Level3(RAM), and as DC....

The P4EE vs FX-53 is pretty much variable, the FX-53 is better in some, and the P4EE in some. But I whould go to the FX-53 just because it as some multiplier, so you can have some more perfect RAM speed....

[freecableguy]

The P4EE vs FX-53 is pretty much variable, the FX-53 is better in some, and the P4EE in some. But I whould go to the FX-53 just because it as some multiplier, so you can have some more perfect RAM speed....

That's exactly why I wanted my ES, so I could tweak in the perfect FSB for the best RAM speed.

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by PetNorth
No Donnie. If you think 3Dchips review is biased, partial or their benchmarks erroneous, give me a link with evidences about your statement. Or at least prove it here yourself with evidences. Meanwhile, if you can't, excuse me but, shut up.

It seems you forget that they use slower Opteron, and RAM used with Opteron is DDR333, not DDR400.

ah... and my "uh?" was for your non sense "For a minute there I thought I was at the AMDZone.com."

Frankly, with Kanavit and you? (I hope not) or at least with some of your comments, for a minute there I thought I was at fanboyism intel forum (we are at Intel section forum, but I think not fanboyism). I own both, A64 and P4C. And I know A64 is overall better. Before, P4C was overall better than AXP. Etc... Sorry but my english isn't the best.

No you silly person, one brand of software aren’t enough to base a whole damned view of a platform on? If it was, then stay the hell a way from Premiere Pro (newest version). See MaximumPC for proof!

Sure you AMDFanboy Zealot, it doesn't matter if you work for Intel your posts show you for what you are. You say “Shut up"? Doesn't deserve a reply, LORFL! Do you see me in the hopeless AMD section? I'd not waste time there.

Yet, I have to reply for others reading this. Each processor and PLATFORM has advantages and disadvantages. Your comments about Overall show you for the Fanboy you are.

If all I did, overall, was process images with Optimized software, then I'd buy a Xeon Dually that cleans the floor with any Hammer out there. When we needed a Computers to run the Brain Scan Hardware at Work, the little Dually G4 was picked because, guess what, it offered the best software for forming that task. If I were running an Apache Server, then I'd buy Opterons that crushes the P4. What part of that do you NOT friggen understand? Oh wait, I’m an Intel Fanboy, I’m not supposed to say Crushes the P4 LOL!

For you or any NITWIT to try and push something as better OVERALL, without qualification, is a bunch of BS that only Fan boys come up with. No, if you don't like positive Intel info, please kindly go back to the AMD section? There are clear differences between users and Fans. Let's see, are you also an nVidia or ATI zealot? How do you come down on the Creative vs. the rest battles? Geesh!

No matter what your native tongue is, you could use some manners! Or do you feel you need to go off on folks, like many others, because they offended your beloved AMD? You seem to be afflicted with the same problem many others here suffer from. Your view of AMD is so out of whack, that even neutral info seems Biased for Intel. That seems to be a big problem for many here.

Donnie

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by PetNorth
And why do I call to Itanium, Itanic?


Becuase you don't know any better? Muwahahahaha, just kidding!

Donnie

[Karnivore]

Lets keep this civil people, if thats to much to ask its going to end up another closed thread :mad:


Donnie27, YHPM

[Kalway]

Hey don't make me bust out my Via shiznit! I'll pwn you all with 3w of heat at 1.4ghz!

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by Karnivore
Lets keep this civil people, if thats to much to ask its going to end up another closed thread :mad:


Donnie27, YHPM

I didn't start out calling him anything. Folks don't have to be mean because they disagree. I just tired to defend myself. I'll try my best not to do whatever I did again.

Donnie

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by skate2snow
Itanium is just NOT worth the price. Four Xeon will be the same price as one Itanium, and will be 10 times better....

And it is not because you love Intel that you have to defend them. Intel won big time w/ NW vs AXP, but since the A64, NW were pretty much on par, but since A64 S939, NW look pretty much pitty. NW connection to Level3(RAM) is true the NorthBridge, so it loose Bandwidth vs the A64 S939 which are connected directly to the Level3(RAM), and as DC....

The P4EE vs FX-53 is pretty much variable, the FX-53 is better in some, and the P4EE in some. But I whould go to the FX-53 just because it as some multiplier, so you can have some more perfect RAM speed....

Intanium is not meant for Desktops. The version of most Dual Workstations is Deerfield.

Integrated memory was a good move on Alpha and is a good move for AMD.

Without software support Intel's best is weak. Staying away from SSE2/3 and HTT will continue to make Intel look bad. All hardware sucks without proper software support=P Intel just sucks more without it LOL! Darn it, I'm not supposed to say that!

Donnie

[skate2snow]

I was talking about Intel and AMD in general.

And its sure that you need the programs to have a benefit over the technologies. But AMD just took the present technologie to the best, but are not really futur proof.

And if I were you, I whould not argue on a moderation...

[PetNorth]

oh my god! ever the same thing with these poor guys like donnie: when arguments finish, insults begin.

Ovbiously, end on mi part with this churlish and bad manered individual.

[skate2snow]

Donnie was defending his point. He does not deserve being insulted on this subject.

[PetNorth]

excuse me skate2snow, but what is for you...


Originally posted by Donnie27
silly


Originally posted by Donnie27
NITWIT

... and others donnie's pearls about me?

Is this to defend his point?

As I said, he has demostrated he is a bad mannered person. That's all.

[skate2snow]

Sorry, I probably skipped a few parts:D

[PetNorth]

;)

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by PetNorth
excuse me skate2snow, but what is for you...

... and others donnie's pearls about me?

Is this to defend his point?

As I said, he has demostrated he is a bad mannered person. That's all.

I didn't start anything, you did! It's not a big deal if we disagree, but I didn't tell you to "Shut up". Now go back, copy and paste me starting to go off on you first? I only show Bad manners to those who show them to me!

I've seen AMD employees less BIASED than some of the stuff I read from you and others here. Don't throw out insults and you'll not get any thrown back at you. I never go to any forum and throw stuff out first don't need to. That's what manners are. I didn't call you a NITWIT but if the shoe fits? Go back and Paste the whole line to Skates, go ahead, please?

I also don't hold grudges against folks either. I'm not about to call you anything but a FanBoy because what you write pretty much proves that. It's not my fault you're full of misinformation and can't deal something that doesn't fit your out of whack views. Itanic is just one small example of that. Xeon is another, why not add IBM's killer Power 4/5 that puts a whippin' on most hardware out there?

I've more AMD based system than Intel ones BTW.

Donnie

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by skate2snow
Sorry, I probably skipped a few parts:D

The NITWIT comment was taken completely out of context! I didn't directly call him a NITWIT!

Before anything said about "silly person", this was said to me!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=524005#post524005

"No Donnie. If you think 3Dchips review is biased, partial or their benchmarks erroneous, give me a link with evidences about your statement. Or at least prove it here yourself with evidences. Meanwhile, if you can't, excuse me but, shut up.""

""Frankly, with Kanavit and you? (I hope not) or at least with some of your comments, for a minute there I thought I was at fanboyism intel forum (we are at Intel section forum, but I think not fanboyism). I own both, A64 and P4C. And I know A64 is overall better. Before, P4C was overall better than AXP. Etc... Sorry but my english isn't the best.""

My reply was still mannered!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=524097#post524097

Then came this reply long after being told to shut up!

"For you or any NITWIT to try and push something as better OVERALL, without qualification, is a bunch of BS that only Fan boys come up with."

That's not an opinion but a fact! Nothing is faster across the board=P And Overall what you do with your computer can make it slower or faster than the next product. But that's not a good enough explaination for Zealots. That's why I game the GamePC link! They sell both Opteron and Xeon systems.

All large companies get EVAL systems, sheesh!

Donnie

[PetNorth]

yeah we all know, you are an example and paradigma of impartiality, demostrated in all yours posts lol All guys here want to be like Donnie27 lol

PS: as I said in other post in this threat, seems you missed it: I own both: P4C and A64

Well, really really this is all on my part in this thread. Bye bye Donnie 27.

[Jupiler]

That's enough guys.
If you wanna continue picking at each other, I suggest you do it somewhere else, but not here.
Otherwise, I'm gonna close this thread.

[Donnie27]

Originally posted by Jupiler
That's enough guys.
If you wanna continue picking at each other, I suggest you do it somewhere else, but not here.
Otherwise, I'm gonna close this thread.

No, don't close the thread, I'll not post anything else to him, not worth my time.

Donnie

[Crankster]

itanium doesn't compete with optys at all. Try something like Sparcs.