DFI looks to have a winner here.

[Pedro Rocha]

Here it is a challenge for the enthusiasts of the DFI Lanparty UT NF3250GB (uff..what a big name the DFI marketing created):

1st– Drop the multiplier for 5X or less;
2nd -Put the memory at 150,
3rd - Use 2 sticks of BH-5 RAM at at 2-5-2-2
4rd - Rise the HTT for 350 or more

And see if it runs SuperPI (I’m not asking for a good score)…

With my "old" Gigabyte K8N (Nforce 150), I can run SuperPI with FSB (HTT) at 380 (I pick only this screen capture, because I was chasing the A64 3400+ record).

http://home.kqnet.pt/wo034892/28SecSuperPI.jpg

Show me this board can really beat my good old unexpensive KN8Pro ..

Please convince me that the DFI DFI Lanparty UT NF3250GB it is a little more than one (a very good one, I must admit) marketing scheme..

Please don’t came with the BS.. arguing that I only obtained this high HTT because I use the Best Dual Cascade of the Planet (Ricky’s Dual Cascade, of course) - if you put down the multiplier for 5x or less, you are at lower CPU speed than stock..right..

Let’s wait for the results..

:toast:

[spaceman]

I have it enabled and during post it says 1T still. are you sure about that? I also tried the drive strength settings. 4 was good. but 1 made the system cold boot and no post. So I think 4 is probably the setting tony was talking about.
I really wish I could go past this 300ht barrier so I can get some more from this EB 3700. I seem to do 270 at 3-3-2-10 1T ok but anything over is no good. even at 3-3-3-10 there was no difference. 260x10 at 1:1 for now.
:( notice in the cpuz screenie, I messed up in the bios and had my TRAS at 2 LOL. I fixed it since. what settings are best for TRC and TRFC? right now it's trc 12 and trfc 16.

I tried 269*9.5 at 1:1 and that seems to work pretty well.
That works on mine, changes it to 2t, but doesn't seem to affect anything. On a similar note, I tried changing my CAS from 2 to 3, and it wouldn't post. I had to clear CMOS to boot up again. :( I really thought that would make this BH-5 fly. Maybe if we had an option for CAS 2.5? I'm still using the stock BIOS, so I dunno about the newer ones.

[boshi]

I have it enabled and during post it says 1T still. are you sure about that? I also tried the drive strength settings. 4 was good. but 1 made the system cold boot and no post. So I think 4 is probably the setting tony was talking about.
I really wish I could go past this 300ht barrier so I can get some more from this EB 3700. I seem to do 270 at 3-3-2-10 1T ok but anything over is no good. even at 3-3-3-10 there was no difference. 260x10 at 1:1 for now.
:( notice in the cpuz screenie, I messed up in the bios and had my TRAS at 2 LOL. I fixed it since. what settings are best for TRC and TRFC? right now it's trc 12 and trfc 16.

I tried 269*9.5 at 1:1 and that seems to work pretty well.

so how does this board compare to your chaintech?

[Boyne7]

yay 23k with my 9800pro :) http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8120308
a slight bump in vga core and ram timings did it. tras "0" lol now i need to get an OCZ ddr booster

[gouda96]

yay 23k with my 9800pro :) http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8120308
a slight bump in vga core and ram timings did it. tras "0" lol now i need to get an OCZ ddr booster

You can't just mod your pus's 3.3v rail? That would be cheaper, and take less time then buying an ocz ddr booster.

[chickenrun]

@Transam
Well, it works this way for my Ram ?!?!
With the half multis my mem score in Sandra dropped by around 300 points as expected :( The 2T command also really slows down the mem...
Playing around with the settings gave me a bit of increase, but nothing really worth mentioning (50 points or so in Sandra)...
Did not have time to check out the drive strength settings though, will hv to see what 4 allows for

[chickenrun]

@pedro
I think the REAL challenge is to get it booted with those settings from bios ! ClockGen seems to hv problems with this board when it comes to lowering the multis :(

[mad mikee]

1. (1)CommandPerClock ENabled = 1t, disabled = 2T :rolleyes:

2. Pi thingie - Perhaps this weekend.

I am tried both 330+ (7.5x, 150 Div) and 350+ (7x, 140 Div) w/ FSB at about 245 and memtest does fine.

May have to lower the mult when I run windows, but vcore is only at 1.525-1.5 for now.

I'm not convinced that this board is all that much better than the vnf-250 yet (was running that at 8x300 w/fsb of 250, less BW. Even though you couldn't adjust much stuff, then defaults were pretty good (for all the stuff that you can fiddle w/ in A64 Tweaker).

Fiddling w/ this board has gotten me educated enough that I migh even get some performance out of my gigajunked k8ns-pro board now that I have an idea what to tweak and knowing that that board does have alot of the same tweaks :D Gotta find time to revisit that later.

Will try this out ASICFIN (as soon as I can fit it in).

[mad mikee]

yes, is it your bh5 or your eb in that board?! omg i mso excited, one more week and ill be going A64!!!!!

I think I was running 140 divider. The act. mem FSB was about 245-250 and I hadn't fiddled w/ all the stuff setting wise. I can give settings (when I have time to revisit them, life is nuts as usual) for equal bandwidth at a given memFSB for both bh5(2226 or 2227, I fergit) or EB3700(3226) (2x.5G). (There are some slight setting differences, but nothing major)

I can never seem to get to 250 w/ what I would consider acceptible BW stable, and raising FSB didn't work. I have been at a point when the max BW at 250 was 1812MB/sec in memtest.

BTW, should I concentrate of the bh5 which seems to go a couple of FSB higher and w/ the faster Latencies, or should I fight w/ the EB 3700 (one stick is for sure 250FSB/1812, the other maxes hard at about 243/1730MB, so of course the lower one is the limit) Of course I found out from Bigtoe that they don't have anymore like my good stick if I wanted to try for a replacement (my curse w/ memory)

HTT as been up to 360 (140 div). Forget what I went to at 133, (BW went down) and 120/100 div. don't POST.:mad:

Haven't been over 400 yet, maybe trie just for the heck of it this weekend if I have time....

[kakaroto]

yes, is it your bh5 or your eb in that board?! omg i mso excited, one more week and ill be going A64!!!!!

Its kingston BH5 256MB

[kakaroto]

Here it is a challenge for the enthusiasts of the DFI Lanparty UT NF3250GB (uff..what a big name the DFI marketing created):

1st– Drop the multiplier for 5X or less;
2nd -Put the memory at 150,
3rd - Use 2 sticks of BH-5 RAM at at 2-5-2-2
4rd - Rise the HTT for 350 or more

And see if it runs SuperPI (I’m not asking for a good score)…

With my "old" Gigabyte K8N (Nforce 150), I can run SuperPI with FSB (HTT) at 380 (I pick only this screen capture, because I was chasing the A64 3400+ record).


Yeah with what HTT multiplier?

[trans am]

@Transam
Well, it works this way for my Ram ?!?!
With the half multis my mem score in Sandra dropped by around 300 points as expected :( The 2T command also really slows down the mem...
Playing around with the settings gave me a bit of increase, but nothing really worth mentioning (50 points or so in Sandra)...
Did not have time to check out the drive strength settings though, will hv to see what 4 allows for
The half multi's made your scores drop? in which test? bandwidth? cpu? My friend klisp has this board too and he said that when he used dimm 2, 3 the board ran at 2t and using 1 and 3 or 1 and 2 the board ran at 1t. Weird huh? Someone mentioned a beta bios that came out on 9/14 (not the one that fixed the mobile issue that oskar made,) but it's a different one that allows 3.4vdimm. but you need to raise the rail on you psu. I have a powerstream with adjust. rails. could I use the bios in question with the adjustable rails? Does anyone have a link to it?

(BOSHI)
so how does this board compare to your chaintech?

It''s better and the temps actually work. much better support thanks to oskar wu. and the voltage options alone make it worth the extra money. But my total cpu clock hasn't really changed. But then again I can get much more from my EB 3700 with the higher vdimm. My ram couldn't go past 250mhz on the vnf3-250 and with the dfi with 3.1v I can hit 270mhz! It huge difference in bandwidth tests.

[Zeus]

That works on mine, changes it to 2t, but doesn't seem to affect anything. On a similar note, I tried changing my CAS from 2 to 3, and it wouldn't post. I had to clear CMOS to boot up again. :( I really thought that would make this BH-5 fly. Maybe if we had an option for CAS 2.5? I'm still using the stock BIOS, so I dunno about the newer ones.

BH-5 doesn't work with CAS3.

[Godmyster]

Anybody know what coolers are compatible with the board? or if the Zalmans are compatible?

[ugp]

The memory I have now seems to not be fully compatiable with the DFI...

Every once in awhile I get memory dump errors. I am running Infineon 2 512 sticks.

And for some reason when I changed BIOS version I can't load @ 230 FSB anymore. Does anyone have a link to a updated BIOS? Maybe I can fix this memory issue until I can afford some new RAM.

[mad mikee]

Upped my fortron 3.3 line to 3.4 and was okay. Could prolly up it more but not worth it to me. Aiming for 3.1/3.2. My BH-5 seems to be better for BW than my EB (can reach higher FSB at settings for equivalent BW.)

When testing FSB isn't everything, BW is what counts,
(except in regards to CPU speed vs BW). My memory can go for higher FSB w/ changing the upteen various settings but the bandwidth limit seems to be pretty much constant for a given stick of memory. Talk about qualitative / intuitive multi-variable analysis! :confused:

As for cooling zalman, hyper6, and others fit fine, search / google is your friend.....

[ugp]

I have Fortron Source 530-Watt and I also need to open the voltages up so I can achieve higher overclocks. When I take my vacation I will have lots more time to play with this. But until then I will sit here at a very stable 2.2GHz. Good enough to play a game or two when I want to. I also took one of my 512 sticks out to see if I still get the memory dump errors. *crosses fingers*

*edit* Still not compatiable for some strange reason...I have been running this for days up until now and I changed BIOS version and it is still doing this...I even tried going back to the shipped BIOS and still the same thing. Someone please help me out...

[ugp]

Anybody know what coolers are compatible with the board? or if the Zalmans are compatible?

The Zalman 7000 work..that is what I am running and it stays pretty cool. my CPU runs about 35 to 37 idle.

[gouda96]

Bios Link (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=328318&page=1&pp=30)

I don't see why you wouldn't use the bios with the mobile fix. It is just the beta bios, but without the boot bug for mobiles, and still has vdim mod.

[ugp]

Alright I'll give that a try. To add to it... I ram MemTest and I recieve no errors with the RAM @ 220 @ 2.3-3-3-10 @ v2.9

*EDIT*

Ok I got the BIOS Update for that...not sure if it has fixed my problem as of yet...But I can't load windows clocked at anything higher than 2.2 anymore and I still can't figure out why...I have even tried loading defaults and just clocking it straight at 2.3 and it wont. Before I started all the BIOS chaning to fix other problems I was running 2.3 just fine as normal usage and trying to hit 2.4+ for benchmarking. Does anyone have any answers to why this could be..?

*EDIT Again* lol

Ok so I am messing around with it alittle more now and I am getting alitle better and figuring out what works with this board. I am still very new to overclocking but I am learning.

[Godmyster]

ugp witch Zalman 7000 do u have? and what other Zalman 7000 models give? :)

[ugp]

ugp witch Zalman 7000 do u have? and what other Zalman 7000 models give? :)

I have the Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu

Right now I am at 275x8.0 and my CPU is idling at 33-35C

To me that isn't bad.

And to add a question to others...what are safe FSB speeds on Air cooling like I have? I don't want to go to far and damage my system. I don't have the money to replace anything right now

[shafty]

I had mine 325x8 but that was with a thermalright 948u and a tornado. High voltage. didnt run it that long because i though my chip would die. no bad for 600mhz overclock on air.

[spaceman]

Anybody know what coolers are compatible with the board? or if the Zalmans are compatible?
I'm using the Swiftech MCX64-V on mine. I just used the screws from the bracket, and the stock yellow backplate, without Swiftech's spring tensioners. Works great, as long as your halfways careful about torqueing it down. :cool: BTW, I grabbed that BIOS right away yesterday, but since my Mobile 3000+ (1.8 stock) already runs fine @ 2.4 GHz., I'm just a tad leery of tryin' it, lol.

[trans am]

I had mine 325x8 but that was with a thermalright 948u and a tornado. High voltage. didnt run it that long because i though my chip would die. no bad for 600mhz overclock on air.

How high was the voltage?

[OSKAR_WU]

Here it is a challenge for the enthusiasts of the DFI Lanparty UT NF3250GB (uff..what a big name the DFI marketing created):

1st– Drop the multiplier for 5X or less;
2nd -Put the memory at 150,
3rd - Use 2 sticks of BH-5 RAM at at 2-5-2-2
4rd - Rise the HTT for 350 or more

And see if it runs SuperPI (I’m not asking for a good score)…

With my "old" Gigabyte K8N (Nforce 150), I can run SuperPI with FSB (HTT) at 380 (I pick only this screen capture, because I was chasing the A64 3400+ record).

Show me this board can really beat my good old unexpensive KN8Pro ..

Please convince me that the DFI DFI Lanparty UT NF3250GB it is a little more than one (a very good one, I must admit) marketing scheme..

Please don’t came with the BS.. arguing that I only obtained this high HTT because I use the Best Dual Cascade of the Planet (Ricky’s Dual Cascade, of course) - if you put down the multiplier for 5x or less, you are at lower CPU speed than stock..right..

Let’s wait for the results..

:toast:

FYI Only

http://oskarwu.myweb.hinet.net/LPUTNF3250GB/3852222.jpg

[trans am]

Fvcking Owned!

[gouda96]

That didn't take long...

I don't understand how the dfi board is a marketing scheme? It is a piece of exceptional hardware, and I don't see how that has anything to do with a marketing scheme.

[Boyne7]

im slightly confused, so by upping the voltage of my 3.3 line it automatically increases the voltage of my ram? because i have the OCZ powerstream 520 and when i up the voltage on it the DFI smartguardian thing doesnt show that the ram is increasing whatsoever.

[OSKAR_WU]

im slightly confused, so by upping the voltage of my 3.3 line it automatically increases the voltage of my ram? because i have the OCZ powerstream 520 and when i up the voltage on it the DFI smartguardian thing doesnt show that the ram is increasing whatsoever.

Upping ATX +3.3V will not increase your VDIMM automatically unless you set higher VDIMM in bios ...

[mad mikee]

Gives you ability to choose higher vdimm options in the bios and THAT will get you the VDIMM upto some value < what your line is set to (we haven't even talked about measuring where w/ dmm) :cool:

PS: Just noticed who did the screenies above.

WAY TO GO OSKAR!!! :toast: , shows whos paying attention. :hehe:

[kakaroto]

OSKAR WU: Is that with HTT X4?? :slobber:

[bachus_anonym]

FYI Only
http://oskarwu.myweb.hinet.net/LPUTNF3250GB/3852222.jpg

whoa... not 150Mhz but 275Mhz... :slobber: i just wonder what sticks are those and how much vdimm it takes for them to get there...

[trans am]

whoa... not 150Mhz but 275Mhz... :slobber: i just wonder what sticks are those and how much vdimm it takes for them to get there...


notice his system monitor screenie says DRAM 3.56. considering how fast his ram is overclocked and that it's at 2-2-2-5, It's definitely 2x256 sticks of BH-5.

[blinky]

but... oskar wu works for dfi, right

he could pick a good board, lets see someone who got theirs from gameve do this, just for verification

[gouda96]

He probably got a random board like everyone else.

[Boyne7]

Gives you ability to choose higher vdimm options in the bios and THAT will get you the VDIMM upto some value < what your line is set to (we haven't even talked about measuring where w/ dmm)

My 3.3v line is already at 3.64 or so, and no more options have appeared in the bios, the highest is still only 3.1v which is what im using

[OSKAR_WU]

OSKAR WU: Is that with HTT X4?? :slobber:

It's impossible for NF3 chipset ...

[gouda96]

My 3.3v line is already at 3.64 or so, and no more options have appeared in the bios, the highest is still only 3.1v which is what im using

Do you have the modded bios that allows for vdim>3.1v? :stick:

[chickenrun]

What I don't get - I run the mem with 270 1:1 (4x HTT manually in bios) BUT using the HTT speed analyzer it shows me 4x200 ?!?!?!? I know its made for the Via chipset - is there a bug using it with the NF3 ?

[OSKAR_WU]

whoa... not 150Mhz but 275Mhz... :slobber: i just wonder what sticks are those and how much vdimm it takes for them to get there...

He say put DDR in 150 option and cpu multiplier under 5X ... Based on the two setting , cpu will use divider 7 for DRAM frequency divider ...

A-DATA BH5 256MB X 2 , VDIMM = 3.6V

[OSKAR_WU]

but... oskar wu works for dfi, right

he could pick a good board, lets see someone who got theirs from gameve do this, just for verification

That's why I say FYI only ...

Due to K8 has integrated memory controller , OC limitation of same designed MB will mostly be decided by CPU itself ...

[chickenrun]

That's why I say FYI only ...

Due to K8 has integrated memory controller , OC limitation of same designed MB will mostly be decided by CPU itself ...

:D I think keverybody who did a bit of research on all of this A64 stuff should know this by now anyway and should not complain about his cpu not doing as well as his friend's one...:rolleyes: :cool:

[OSKAR_WU]

What I don't get - I run the mem with 270 1:1 (4x HTT manually in bios) BUT using the HTT speed analyzer it shows me 4x200 ?!?!?!? I know its made for the Via chipset - is there a bug using it with the NF3 ?

HTT speed analyzer only analysis the ratio , not the FSB ...

[trans am]

He say put DDR in 150 option and cpu multiplier under 5X ... Based on the two setting , cpu will use divider 7 for DRAM frequency divider ...

A-DATA BH5 256MB X 2 , VDIMM = 3.6V

good work oskar. I knew it was bh5! Was it your idea to do the vcore like it is? why did you choose to do it this way instead of just having all the values ready to go? I think it's cool but it's also annoying because every time I want to play with the vcore I need to use a calculator. We americans aren't the best at math, lol! Is there any difference when using 4x ht link or is 3x the best and most stable for overclocking? Currently I'm using 3x and it seems like I can overclock higher.

[gandalf027]

Probably this as been answered like a lot of times, but how do i calculate the mem speed with the 180 divider? or is there any program that shows the speed?

Thanks!

[iceman2g]

What LDT were you using OSKAR_WU?

[Boyne7]

wow.... sry, i definately didn't know there was a modified bios. anyone happen to have the link for it?

[gouda96]

I posted a link to them twice I think. Check a few of my posts back.

[TinTin]

My 3.3v line is already at 3.64 or so, and no more options have appeared in the bios, the highest is still only 3.1v which is what im using

use the modded BIOS, there are 3.2V~4.0V options
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=328318

[trans am]

I'm using it now. 3.2vdimm! I adjusted my 3.3 rail on my ocz powerstream and it works great!

[TinTin]

I'm using it now. 3.2vdimm! I adjusted my 3.3 rail on my ocz powerstream and it works great!

It is my enermax PSU, setting 3.2V Vdimm in BIOS gives around 3.18~3.20V I want a 3.3V adjustable PSU... :D
My 256*2 BH-5 can be overclocked to around 265MHz CL2-2-2-10 (3D-benchable) with 3.2V Vdimm. :toast:

[Zeus]

It is my enermax PSU, setting 3.2V Vdimm in BIOS gives around 3.18~3.20V I want a 3.3V adjustable PSU... :D
My 256*2 BH-5 can be overclocked to around 265MHz CL2-2-2-10 (3D-benchable) with 3.2V Vdimm. :toast:


Can't you just mod the 3,3V rail of your PSU?
I have an Enermax myself and modded the 3,3V rail by putting a 10ohm fixed resistor inline in the 3,3V sense wire and from there a pot to ground.
Cant remember the value of the pot but if you want to know, pm me.

Works like a charm.

Q: Do you raise Vdimm by just raising the 3,3V rail or do i have to raise the 3,3V rail about 0,1V higher than my desired Vdimm and then set the value for Vdimm in bios?

[iceman2g]

@Zeus

Upping ATX +3.3V will not increase your VDIMM automatically unless you set higher VDIMM in bios ...

[trans am]

It is my enermax PSU, setting 3.2V Vdimm in BIOS gives around 3.18~3.20V I want a 3.3V adjustable PSU... :D
My 256*2 BH-5 can be overclocked to around 265MHz CL2-2-2-10 (3D-benchable) with 3.2V Vdimm. :toast:

My man Klisp just bought 2x512 CorsairXMS 3500 BH-5 for this DFI board.
right now he's using OCZ EL4400 from his P4 rig and it sucks on the a64 rig. timings are 2.5-5-5-10
11x 268 htt and ram is running at 9/10 (he's using a LS to cool)
currently his rig with the 4400 does about 27.5k in 3dmark2001 what do you think he'll gain with the BH-5 if it does 2-2-2-5 at 250?
I told him to buy the BH-5 over EB or Ballistix. was that good advice? note that he has the same psu as me and the bios is ready to go with the 4Vdimm support so he can push that BH-5 to the limit!!!!!
:toast:

[chickenrun]

The half multi's made your scores drop? in which test? bandwidth? cpu? My friend klisp has this board too and he said that when he used dimm 2, 3 the board ran at 2t and using 1 and 3 or 1 and 2 the board ran at 1t. Weird huh? Someone mentioned a beta bios that came out on 9/14 (not the one that fixed the mobile issue that oskar made,) but it's a different one that allows 3.4vdimm. but you need to raise the rail on you psu. I have a powerstream with adjust. rails. could I use the bios in question with the adjustable rails? Does anyone have a link to it?

Mem-Bandwith with Sandra...

[Zeus]

@Zeus

:am: thanks. ;) Must 'ave been reading over it.

[p4z1f1st]

@ OskarWu (or somebody who knows it):

which of the DRAM DriveStrenght-Options is the most OC-friendly? Level1 or Level4 ? :)
or could someone explain me, what the option really does :)

[mad mikee]

My man Klisp just bought 2x512 CorsairXMS 3500 BH-5 for this DFI board.
right now he's using OCZ EL4400 from his P4 rig and it sucks on the a64 rig. timings are 2.5-5-5-10
11x 268 htt and ram is running at 9/10 (he's using a LS to cool)
currently his rig with the 4400 does about 27.5k in 3dmark2001 what do you think he'll gain with the BH-5 if it does 2-2-2-5 at 250?
I told him to buy the BH-5 over EB or Ballistix. was that good advice? note that he has the same psu as me and the bios is ready to go with the 4Vdimm support so he can push that BH-5 to the limit!!!!!
:toast:

My BH-5 seems fine in dimm 1+3 at 248 so far, working up the memtest ladder... (3.2Vdimm go look at my settings on dfi-street- installed thread)

[RocKer]

I told him to buy the BH-5 over EB or Ballistix. was that good advice?
Personly a buy EB,becaus it's working best with A64,the bh5 allso but EB's perform better on less volts,that allways bin told to me,but the only way to be sure is to test it ;).

A have allso 2x256mb bh5's to go with the a64,but a will allso buy 512mb EB's to,to be sure you no :) .

[Ubermann]

Getting all my parts today.
Was wondering, maybe put a new thread with all useful info from this thread to ppl that will begin to overclock this motherboard.
33 pages (and other threads) is alot of info to go thru when you need info on bios setting and such.
Gonna try later when i have time to do that.

[eva2000]

well got my DFI NF3-250Gb setup... had a few problems

1. Swiftech MCW6002 waterblock's screws aren't the right size - too short with the springs or too long without springs and won't fit the DFI stock retention bracket. I had to place a thin pad of foam under the backplate underside of board to position the backplate flush against the back side of motherboard, then use the DFI stock retention bracket's screws by themselves to securely fasten the MCW6002 waterblock

2. board came with 27/8/04 bios and 1x 256MB OCZ PC3500EB would only boot 1/6th of the time, 1x 256MB ADATA PC4000 boots everytime

3. 27/08/04 bios recognises my AMD64 3400+ Newcastle as Sempron in memtest86+ v1.25 heh

so now what's the right command to flash the bios

awdflash 140904.bin /F

or

awdflash 140904.bin /F/QI

?

[trans am]

well got my DFI NF3-250Gb setup... had a few problems

1. Swiftech MCW6002 waterblock's screws aren't the right size - too short with the springs or too long without springs and won't fit the DFI stock retention bracket. I had to place a thin pad of foam under the backplate underside of board to position the backplate flush against the back side of motherboard, then use the DFI stock retention bracket's screws by themselves to securely fasten the MCW6002 waterblock

2. board came with 27/8/04 bios and 1x 256MB OCZ PC3500EB would only boot 1/6th of the time, 1x 256MB ADATA PC4000 boots everytime

3. 27/08/04 bios recognises my AMD64 3400+ Newcastle as Sempron in memtest86+ v1.25 heh

so now what's the right command to flash the bios

awdflash 140904.bin /F

or

awdflash 140904.bin /F/QI

?


I had that same problem with my mcw6002 too. I just removed one of the washers and it worked fine.

[eva2000]

I had that same problem with my mcw6002 too. I just removed one of the washers and it worked fine.
what's your in bios cpu idle temp like ? i just updated to 14/09/04 bios and cpu idle in bios = 46-49C ???

installing win2k right now

[trans am]

what's your in bios cpu idle temp like ? i just updated to 14/09/04 bios and cpu idle in bios = 46-49C ???

installing win2k right now


mobiles are always off mine says 39c idle. i'm using the same bios.
dual heatercore.

[Rudzer]

Anybody tried A-DATA DDR500 with the board?

cheers

[Dissolved]

well got my DFI NF3-250Gb setup... had a few problems

1. Swiftech MCW6002 waterblock's screws aren't the right size - too short with the springs or too long without springs and won't fit the DFI stock retention bracket. I had to place a thin pad of foam under the backplate underside of board to position the backplate flush against the back side of motherboard, then use the DFI stock retention bracket's screws by themselves to securely fasten the MCW6002 waterblock

2. board came with 27/8/04 bios and 1x 256MB OCZ PC3500EB would only boot 1/6th of the time, 1x 256MB ADATA PC4000 boots everytime

3. 27/08/04 bios recognises my AMD64 3400+ Newcastle as Sempron in memtest86+ v1.25 heh

so now what's the right command to flash the bios

awdflash 140904.bin /F

or

awdflash 140904.bin /F/QI

?


A:\AWDFLASH NF3LD827.BIN /sn/py/cc/cd/qi

[Dissolved]

@ OskarWu (or somebody who knows it):

which of the DRAM DriveStrenght-Options is the most OC-friendly? Level1 or Level4 ? :)
or could someone explain me, what the option really does :)


bigtoe was running 2.

[p4z1f1st]

yes, i know....that's why i'm asking ;)

i "think" level1 will be the most oc-friendly (i'm driving level2, too)...but i wanted to know.....sandra-benchies didn't bring me the answer (exactly same results)

:)

[p4z1f1st]

oh man, could someone explain me the cryptical dividers of the board?

with the modded 9/14-bios they're somehow "difficult" to understand :stick:

[eva2000]

Anybody tried A-DATA DDR500 with the board?

cheers

Using that very ram right this moment to test stability - 1x 256MB ADATA PC4000 hehe boots fine


A:\AWDFLASH NF3LD827.BIN /sn/py/cc/cd/qi

thanks :)

this board's bundled monitoring app though has to be the worse looking interface I've seen... and i thought Epox's USDM app was bad heh

stock system at idle
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/ADATA/PC4000/1x256/LDT5/200-200-3448-1T-AUTO-2.6-1.5-1.55/cpuz_idle.jpg

[trans am]

yes, i know....that's why i'm asking ;)

i "think" level1 will be the most oc-friendly (i'm driving level2, too)...but i wanted to know.....sandra-benchies didn't bring me the answer (exactly same results)

:)


Tha't weird I tried 1, 4, and 2. 4 booted fine. 1 wouldn't boot and 2 booted fine.

[Bourch]

Anybody tried A-DATA DDR500 with the board?

cheers

Currently I'm running 2x512 ADATA Banks 1 and 3. They work fine but when I readed your post I was searching for the best OC with them. I don't know what is the highest vdimm they like and don't like to burn them. I was confused about the DRAM DriveStrenght-Options too.

This is my current config:

Newcastle 3200+ 2200@2550 vcore 1.55 (readings between 1.58-1.6)
FSB 255x10
2x512 ADATA at 510DDR at 2.5-4-3-0 Vdimm 2.9 (readings between2.87-2.89)
HTT 255x4

Looking for more info on same config (DFI + 1Gb ADATA)

[TinTin]

I got no markable stability difference in using Drive strength 1~4 :D
I left it auto now... :D

[trans am]

I got no markable stability difference in using Drive strength 1~4 :D
I left it auto now... :D


Tony mentions 1 little thing about playing with drive strength and everyone jumps! It must be nice to have that kind of power over people. :p:

[spaceman]

I got no markable stability difference in using Drive strength 1~4 :D
I left it auto now... :D
I just leave ALL the RAM stuff on Auto, other than setting the 5/6 divider. I'm sure I'll get brave enough to start experimenting, but not just yet. One thing I noticed, with 2x512s of Mushkin BH-5, it used to read my basic timings as 2-3-2-6-1t, and after I played with 1t & 2t a bit, my timings changed to 2-3-2-5-1t. What we really need here, is a BIOS optimization guide, lol. :D

[Dissolved]

What we really need here, is a BIOS optimization guide, lol. :D


well i think the first 6 timmings have the most benifit :?:

[Ubermann]

Just got the comp running!
I hate the bios!
Whatever i change in it, it would not post anything except blinking monitor.
grrr!!

[shafty]

Just got the comp running!
I hate the bios!
Whatever i change in it, it would not post anything except blinking monitor.
grrr!!

Update your bios to the 9/14 bios and it should fix your problems.

[Dissolved]

Update your bios to the 9/14 bios and it should fix your problems.

Yup, same thing happened to me :)

[p4z1f1st]

Dissolved, how far did u come with your EBs? :)

i've 2x512MB and they're going to exactly 260MHz @ 3.0-3-2-10-1T stable (is a little bit wired: memtest run 3h 15m @ test#5 (156passes) and it produced "only" 16failures.....now, i don't know what to do....it's pretty stable...but memtest had these 16failures...what u think?)

hmm....maybe we should let the drive-strenght @ auto, like TinTin meantioned already...

[Zeus]

w000t!!!

After a final desperate attempt i got it to live!!! :banana:
It wasn't DOA after all it seems.

Once more i tested with one stick in slot 3 and without videocard, like Oskar_Wu recommanded.

A few bios resets later it gave a beep i was unfamiliar with so i plugged the videocard in and...beep!...POST!! :D

I had to re-install windows to get it working properly, the only thing i can't get to work is the onboard LAN.

It seems to me that the onboard firewall is blocking all traffic, i have no clue how to solve this, anyone?

[Ubermann]

go to configure the lan "card" in network

[spaceman]

w000t!!!

After a final desperate attempt i got it to live!!! :banana:
It wasn't DOA after all it seems.
Good deal. :toast: After all your trouble, I hope your board shows ya some lovin' back. :D

[ugp]

I am currently running at 2.5-3-3-0 only at 212.5 on the RAM for the current moment. I am working on trying to find a nice divider so I can max out my RAM and CPU at the same time. Anyone have any ideas...could use the help..

[bypolar]

Yes running Memory 1:1 with the FSB and LDT auto or 3X.

I have found in both socket 754 system I have had that 1:1 on the memory and the LDT multi at default results in the best 3Dmarks,superPI and memory bandwidth.

I have tried the divider but the results where dismal. Am I missing something or is this pretty much true??

[ugp]

Yes running Memory 1:1 with the FSB and LDT auto or 3X.

I have found in both socket 754 system I have had that 1:1 on the memory and the LDT multi at default results in the best 3Dmarks,superPI and memory bandwidth.

I have tried the divider but the results where dismal. Am I missing something or is this pretty much true??

What does the LDT exactly do? I have been running it on AUTO for the time being....haven't got a chance to mess with alot of the settings yet.

And for some reason I can load windows with anything higher then 225x10.0 but with the lower multipliers I can achieve higher overclocks. It is really strange but I am not sure. I think my memory I can get atleast 235 out of it. It isn't the best RAM but it does get some pretty high scores for what I paid for it a long time ago.

[bypolar]

The LDT multiplyer determines the Hyper transport bus speed..

The first Nforce3 150 was 600HTT=LDT3X200 VIA K8T800 was 800HTT LDT4X200 the New nforce3 250GB is a full 16Bit up and down and 1000MHz HTT.

Basicly you times the HTT bus to the FSB and you come up with a total HTT bus. The LDT multi determines the value.


I have been wondering if the DFI defaults a Lower value than 5X LDT. If I'm not confused here the Default should Be 5X. and I have yet to find a windows base program showing the total HTT bus speed.

[TinTin]

The LDT multiplyer determines the Hyper transport bus speed..

The first Nforce3 150 was 600HTT=LDT3X200 VIA K8T800 was 800HTT LDT4X200 the New nforce3 250GB is a full 16Bit up and down and 1000MHz HTT.

Basicly you times the HTT bus to the FSB and you come up with a total HTT bus. The LDT multi determines the value.


I have been wondering if the DFI defaults a Lower value than 5X LDT. If I'm not confused here the Default should Be 5X. and I have yet to find a windows base program showing the total HTT bus speed.

Default is AUTO, I checked it by Sandra, it is running at 4X, matched with S754 CPU, only supports 800MHz Hypertransport, unless you o/c it....

[bypolar]

Ok, great never knew sandra showed HTT speeds. The 250GB is capable of 1000HTT so 4X would be Lower than the chipset design.

Yes?? No?? on the 1000HTT 250GB

as far as I know there are only 2 factors that com into play for total HTT bus. that would be FSB speed and LDT Multiplyer.

Sandra HTT (http://www.polarscomputers.com/DFIHTTbus.jpg)

[eva2000]

Default is AUTO, I checked it by Sandra, it is running at 4X, matched with S754 CPU, only supports 800MHz Hypertransport, unless you o/c it....
yup my AMD64 3400+ Newcastle AUTO LDT = 4x as sandra says 1600HT

[bypolar]

Ok, i inserted a sandra pic in the post above.

I have all my settings on Auto, except for Vcore and Vdimm and sandra shows 2X you think as the FSB is raised the board changes the LDT Multiplyer?

or am I looking in the wronge place?

[TinTin]

Ok, great never knew sandra showed HTT speeds. The 250GB is capable of 1000HTT so 4X would be Lower than the chipset design.

Yes?? No?? on the 1000HTT 250GB

as far as I know there are only 2 factors that com into play for total HTT bus. that would be FSB speed and LDT Multiplyer.

Sandra HTT (http://www.polarscomputers.com/DFIHTTbus.jpg)

YES, because NF3 250 supports S939 platform too, so it suppports 1000MHz hyperstransport. But S754 A64 officially supports 800MHz only.

There is no performance difference if you are running it at 800MHz or 1000MHz for S754, even 1000MHz will have a very little lower result. However, if you are going to overclock, say 250HTT, 4X HT ratio, then you get 1000MHz hypertransport... :D

[TinTin]

Ok, i inserted a sandra pic in the post above.

I have all my settings on Auto, except for Vcore and Vdimm and sandra shows 2X you think as the FSB is raised the board changes the LDT Multiplyer?

or am I looking in the wronge place?

You can just leave it to AUTO, the MB will select the ratio for you automatically, especially, you are going to heavily overclock the HTT.

e.g. 400HTT AUTO, the MB boots properly, then goes to windows to check what the actual ratio is..
but if you set 400HTT, 2X,, can't boot properly, I think there is a bug.... ;)

[bypolar]

Ok, I see now.Thanks for the Info.Nvidias site also states 800MHz HTT bus on the 250GB..

I have been reading reviews and they never stated that the 250GB on the 754 socket only ran 800MHz HTT. They always said 'the new 250GB runs 1000MHz and clearly is the fasted chipsetout' Never stating that that only applys to the 939 platform.


and I was wondering why I was getting such good FSB without changing the LDT Multi. on the Gigabyte K8NNXP 754 I had to change the multi manually to run past 230fsb.

[TinTin]

Ok, I see now.Thanks for the Info.Nvidias site also states 800MHz HTT bus on the 250GB..

I have been reading reviews and they never stated that the 250GB on the 754 socket only ran 800MHz HTT. They always said 'the new 250GB runs 1000MHz and clearly is the fasted chipsetout' Never stating that that only applys to the 939 platform.


and I was wondering why I was getting such good FSB without changing the LDT Multi. on the Gigabyte K8NNXP 754 I had to change the multi manually to run past 230fsb.

Some MBs need to select a proper LDT ratio when you are going to overclock the HTT... but this DFI, full AUTO.... :D

[eva2000]

Some MBs need to select a proper LDT ratio when you are going to overclock the HTT... but this DFI, full AUTO.... :D
Thanks for the info on LDT = AUTO :)

Just got mine setup http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/web/ :)

[eva2000]

simple question, when is increasing chipset voltage needed ? at what HTT frequency ? i only used AN50R and always oc'd with chipset voltage set at AUTO so not idea when you need it on DFI

on DFI i have 10x 240mhz 2-2-2-6 1T with vcore 1.5v, vdimm 3.0v, vAGP AUTO vChipset AUTO, LDT AUTO

[Ubermann]

I got my board running at 291mhz fsb.
But jesus theres so many options in bios about ram i get confused!

[TinTin]

simple question is increasing chipset voltage needed ? at what HTT frequency ? i only used AN50R and always oc'd with chipset voltage set at AUTO so not idea when you need it on DFI

on DFI i have 10x 240mhz 2-2-2-6 1T with vcore 1.5v, vdimm 3.0v, vAGP AUTO vChipset AUTO, LDT AUTO


Your case may be CPU maxed-out, don't know....but you can lower the CPU multiplier and RAM ratio to test the chipset limit. Mine can do over 420HTT with default 1.6V and around 435HTT at 1.7V with air-cooling. Nothing improve even 1.8V Vdd. ;)

[eva2000]

no.. no that ain't my limit just testing at that speed my 3400+ does 2660mhz at 1.65v on AN50R hehe

just wondering when chipset voltage needs increasing.. thanks

[Zeus]

go to configure the lan "card" in network

It's configured right, but it just won't run any traffic.
Windows says it has a static IP adress, even though i selected dynamic and also enabled DHCP.

Could it be the onboard firewall?


Good deal. :toast: After all your trouble, I hope your board shows ya some lovin' back. :D

Thanks man, so far not trouble free, but getting ther slowly. ;)

I have to flash bios for more Vdimm but first i want to run it troublefree.

@Eva2000, looking at your pics, pic 39 shows youre using a
boxed cooler? :D

[eva2000]

@Eva2000, looking at your pics, pic 39 shows youre using a
boxed cooler? :D

yup boxed cooler :)

[kakaroto]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/A64_3400/DFI/3.15GHz.JPG

1.9v :D not stable though..

I can't boot @300MHz HTT (AUTO HTT)... with the beta bios, has anyone the same problem?? I get strange lock up if the POST is loaded...

[Klisp]

Hi guys.. Have any of you guys have boot-up problems using the Vapochill LS and DFI LanParty UT NF3 250GB ? I think there might be a conflict with the EZ-on / EZ-touch on board power switch.

BTW: I have the modded bios dated 9/14/04.

Thanks.

[spaceman]

Hey guys, I'm ready to try the beta BIOS now, but I'd kinda like to save the original. Can someone please explain how? (including the command stuff, you know, what you have to type) Or if the flash utility gives you the option to save, just let me know. Thanx much. :)

[Zeus]

Very easy, open winflash, go to 'file' and click 'safe bios' .
You'd best make a dir first that you call old bios.
Browse to dir. old bios and safe.
That's all.

Then make another on you call new bios.
Download the new bios and save it in this dir.

To flash:
Open winflash, go to, 'update from file' , browse to the dir. new bios, click on the bios (bin file) and it will flash.

Good luck, did mine this afternoon, no problems. :)

[spaceman]

Thanx man. :) I usually don't bother saving, when folks have good results, but since mine runs pretty darn good with the stock BIOS, I figured I'd cover my butt, just in case. ;) Update: Works fine, and new BIOS flashed. :cool: Something I noticed playing around, you can disable CPU thermal throttling now. :D The old BIOS wouldn't let me do that.

[G H Z]

Hi guys.. Have any of you guys have boot-up problems using the Vapochill LS and DFI LanParty UT NF3 250GB ? I think there might be a conflict with the EZ-on / EZ-touch on board power switch.

BTW: I have the modded bios dated 9/14/04.

Thanks.

I hope not because I am about to fire mine up with 3700

[p4z1f1st]

hmm....guys, my damn board won't make HTT >280MHz :(

VDD ist @ 1.8V and i'm trying and trying dividers, etc....so, is just my board at its limit, or could it be my CPU, too?

i mean, Tony gets 425MHz, so i thought, 300MHz should be able for 99% of all users.....my EBs just can drive 260MHz....but i put them down, with dividers :(

[eva2000]

hmm....guys, my damn board won't make HTT >280MHz :(

VDD ist @ 1.8V and i'm trying and trying dividers, etc....so, is just my board at its limit, or could it be my CPU, too?

i mean, Tony gets 425MHz, so i thought, 300MHz should be able for 99% of all users.....my EBs just can drive 260MHz....but i put them down, with dividers :(
well i'm using 14/09/04 bios and know for sure 3:5 divider incorrectly sets ram at 7:10 and you might want to check all dividers using 200HTT first to see if the dividers do correctly set ram speed

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=17558#post17558

[boshi]

hmm....guys, my damn board won't make HTT >280MHz :(

VDD ist @ 1.8V and i'm trying and trying dividers, etc....so, is just my board at its limit, or could it be my CPU, too?

i mean, Tony gets 425MHz, so i thought, 300MHz should be able for 99% of all users.....my EBs just can drive 260MHz....but i put them down, with dividers :(

ever think maybe he has a review board?

I'm beginning to get the feeling DFI has pulled an OCZ on us and sent WAY better ones to reviewers like OPP.

[Dissolved]

ever think maybe he has a review board?

I'm beginning to get the feeling DFI has pulled an OCZ on us and sent WAY better ones to reviewers like OPP.


Way to Flame OCZ there Buddy..

What Company Doesnt Send the Best of there stuff to Reviewers????

Every company does it, ever read the memory reviews from anatech?

And Opp is an Overclocker, Not a reviewer.

:bleh:

[Ubermann]

But my OCZ clock higher then anandtech so i think you can drop that one =)

[ugp]

Yeah and OPP knows what the hell he is doing more so than us lol

That is why we are always asking him questions

[eva2000]

well here's where i am at the moment with this board

AMD64 3400+ Newcastle @ 11x 245HTT = 2695mhz at 1.55v + 113% = 1.7515v (1.744v idle)
DFI Lanparty UT NF3-250Gb 14/09/04 bios
1x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 245mhz 2-2-2-6 1T at 3.1v
Win2K SP4

Swiftech MCW6002 + MCP650 Pump
Heatercore with 2x 120x38mm Panaflo 103cfm fans

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/10/LDT_AUTO/11x/245-245-2226-1T-10-12-1.75-3.1-1.5-1.6/pifast_tweak-8-12-2-2-1-1_all.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/10/LDT_AUTO/11x/245-245-2226-1T-10-12-1.75-3.1-1.5-1.6/superpi-1m_tweaked.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/10/LDT_AUTO/11x/245-245-2226-1T-10-12-1.75-3.1-1.5-1.6/superpi-8m_tweaked.jpg

Still windows cpu temps are over reported by at least 10-14C.... CPU temp = 43-46C idle and 56-62C load!

[Dissolved]

well here's where i am at the moment with this board

AMD64 3400+ Newcastle @ 11x 245HTT = 2695mhz at 1.55v + 113% = 1.7515v (1.744v idle)


Newbie Question, Your running Dram 200 (1:1) Correct? So your @ 245fsb ?

Thanks

[eva2000]

yup 245 1:1, that's what the piccies and text say in my post ;) :)

[Dissolved]

yup 245 1:1, that's what the piccies and text say in my post ;) :)


245 your max? i havent seen much bh-5 over 250 on this mobo.. i guess people are trying low timmings forceing the fsb to stay around 245.

Just wonder if 245fsb fast timmings or if 265Fsb~ cas 3 would differ much..

Looks like i have alot of testing to do :)

[eva2000]

nah just testing :)

here's 10x 250HTT at 1.55v vcore with ram @ 250mhz 2-2-2-6 1T at 3.1v vdimm
http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/1x256/10/LDT_AUTO/10x/250-250-2226-1T-10-12-1.55-3.1-1.5-1.6/prime95_1hr05min.jpg

Just playing with 1 stick and later use 2 sticks of BH-5 :)

[RAMMIE]

245 your max? i havent seen much bh-5 over 250 on this mobo.. i guess people are trying low timmings forceing the fsb to stay around 245.

Just wonder if 245fsb fast timmings or if 265Fsb~ cas 3 would differ much..

Looks like i have alot of testing to do :)

My BH-5 on DFI

[mikead_99]

@ Dissolved: Not that there already isn't enough evidence here, but I'm memtesting some BH-5 2x256, 2-2-2-5 @ 250MHz w/3.2V with no problems atm. I had the lower level mem settings set pretty agressive w/ 240MHz and had to go back and set all but 1T, and 2-2-2-5 to Auto for the moment, but I will go back and tighten the other stuff down as much as I can in a bit.

[Zeus]

Man i'm really jalous @ your CPU, 10x 250MHz Prime stable with just 1.55V. :slobber:
Mine does 10x251 with 1.75V but only runs Prime for about 7 minutes and then craps out. :(

I have no idea what's causing this.
If i back down to 10x 250 or even 10x249, Prime fails within a minute. :confused:

Another stange thing is, i can do SuperPi 1M @2383MHz (11x216) with default voltage but if i try 11x217 (all clocking done w/ ClockGen) i get a BSOD.


Shouldn't there be a sign of instability first? Like "not exact in round"?

[p4z1f1st]

so, i'll give u more to be jealous about :D ;)
http://www.8ung.at/dresign/2600mhz_1.600v.jpg

;)

but one thing ist crappy - that's the max of my cpu :stick:

even with 1.75V it doesn't want to make 2700MHz :(

but i'm nevertheless happy :D

[kakaroto]

some tests:

Boxed:

2600MHz 1.48v (primestable)

Prom:

2800MHz 1.54v (primestable)
2900Mhz 1.78v (primestable)
2950Mhz 1.86v (primestable)
3000Mhz 1.92v (not prime stable)

This board is great but also not that great:

- can't hit high HTT... strange bios maybe.
- Vcore is overvolting ... sometimgs 0.1V

[CodeRed]

some tests:

Boxed:

2600MHz 1.48v (primestable)

Prom:

2800MHz 1.54v (primestable)
2900Mhz 1.78v (primestable)
2950Mhz 1.86v (primestable)
3000Mhz 1.92v (not prime stable)

This board is great but also not that great:

- can't hit high HTT... strange bios maybe.
- Vcore is overvolting ... sometimgs 0.1V


Nice :toast:

Hows that compare to your previuos baord (gigabyte wasnt it?)


I would really like to know if this board offers any overclocking improvement over say the gigabyte or shuttle. The BIOS & voltage options are nice but really un-necessary with A64 tweaker + volt mods. So come on and give me a good reason to buy one.

[p4z1f1st]

@ kakaroto:
lol

ok, u've a prommy....so, your results aren't valid :D :P ;)

but nice ;)

[eva2000]

Codered, ya know ya want one :D

[G H Z]

My BH-5 on DFI

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16819

Thats pretty sweet, PC2700 too:D How much v is the Ram getting and 3.3 rail? But most importantly, is this via Clockgen or BIOS?

[G H Z]

Nice :toast:

Hows that compare to your previuos baord (gigabyte wasnt it?)


I would really like to know if this board offers any overclocking improvement over say the gigabyte or shuttle. The BIOS & voltage options are nice but really un-necessary with A64 tweaker + volt mods. So come on and give me a good reason to buy one.

I dont know of any A64 board modded or not that will feed 4v vdimm which this one is supposed to do with beta BIOS and 3.3 rail mod. Thats a pretty good reason for me if it's a stable board. To me this board is catering specifically to the overclocker, so naturally it will take a little bit more knowledge to run it successfully. Still, I think you have a valid question. People are scoring big with the Gigabyte ala Macci and some of those Portugal guys. I think we need some time to see just what can be done with it.

[CodeRed]

Codered, ya know ya want one :D

I dont know what I want :p:

If I didnt already have a S754 setup then this board would be my first choice, but seeing that I already have a pretty good AN50R its hard to justify the upgrade.

I keep telling myself that the AN50R is holding me back since I can only get 1.96V Vcore out of it and its an old NF3-150 chipset.

Convince me !!!!!!

[kakaroto]

Nice :toast:

Hows that compare to your previuos baord (gigabyte wasnt it?)


I would really like to know if this board offers any overclocking improvement over say the gigabyte or shuttle. The BIOS & voltage options are nice but really un-necessary with A64 tweaker + volt mods. So come on and give me a good reason to buy one.

My previous board was a EPoX 8KDAJ.
Well those extra mem timings in the bios is "A64 tweaker build-in" :) so thats true.

Compare to the shuttle....well thats difficult, the shuttle is a one-hell of a clocker.
The DFI NF3 is a lot more stable then the EPOX 8KDAJ. (ie. Vcore)

But i have the feeling that i can push more on the 8KDAJ then on the DFI.

So i think it will give you a more stable 24/7 rig, but not a good OC as your shuttle.

But im still searching why it is so hard the last 200MHz... (HTT? bios?)

btw.. The 2.1v bios is not working, seems it hit his own OVP?? :stick:

[CodeRed]

My previous board was a EPoX 8KDAJ.
Well those extra mem timings in the bios is "A64 tweaker build-in" :) so thats true.

Compare to the shuttle....well thats difficult, the shuttle is a one-hell of a clocker.
The DFI NF3 is a lot more stable then the EPOX 8KDAJ. (ie. Vcore)

But i have the feeling that i can push more on the 8KDAJ then on the DFI.

So i think it will give you a more stable 24/7 rig, but not a good OC as your shuttle.

But im still searching why it is so hard the last 200MHz... (HTT? bios?)

btw.. The 2.1v bios is not working, seems it hit his own OVP?? :stick:

Thanks, I think I'll hold off for a while then.

[RAMMIE]

[img]http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Thats pretty sweet, PC2700 too:D How much v is the Ram getting and 3.3 rail? But most importantly, is this via Clockgen or BIOS?

All through BIOS.3DMark works there also.Lot's of volts.3.5 via DDR Booster.The stick was bought fromn newegg as Buffalo PC3700 but SPD is 2700 I have a few nice ones.Had it up to 294x10 with 1x512 EB3500 at 3,3,3,9 but only Sandra stable.

[[SuPeRmAn]]

Hi! i have a big problem on my DFI!

i flashed by winflash the 914 bios with 4v vdimm support. all worked well!
i cleared CMOS and now i have the following error:

"Bios ROM Checksum Failed"

it lets me go to DOS with a bootable floppy and flash the bios all over! the curious thing is that after i flash the original bios to the chip, i reboot and get the same error again!

any suggestions on what i could be doing wrong? i tried to clear CMOS after flashing and still nothing, always the same error.

[[SuPeRmAn]]

thats a CMOS checksum error... i have a Bios ROM checksum error, but thanks anyway.

[Dissolved]

']thats a CMOS checksum error... i have a Bios ROM checksum error, but thanks anyway.


i believe ive gotten that be4, but honestly im not sure it it was a bios or cmos checksum..

but if you can get into the bios, then you gotta set it up.. mine errors with a checksum after every cmos reset.

[[SuPeRmAn]]

well, i cant go into the bios, thats the problem...

[boshi]

Way to Flame OCZ there Buddy..

What Company Doesnt Send the Best of there stuff to Reviewers????

Every company does it, ever read the memory reviews from anatech?

And Opp is an Overclocker, Not a reviewer.

:bleh:

brilliant. I know that OCZ has changed since then, but they still did it. I also understand if they send their best one to a reviewer, but if the review boards are getting 420HTT and the retail ones are getting 250HTT, thats just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up.

He also is a reviewer, dont be stupid.

[ugp]

My HTT is at 275 right now. And it doesn't mean it is the board either...it could be the CPU as well right?

[Dissolved]

brilliant. I know that OCZ has changed since then, but they still did it. I also understand if they send their best one to a reviewer, but if the review boards are getting 420HTT and the retail ones are getting 250HTT, thats just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up.

He also is a reviewer, dont be stupid.


Just because skilled overclockers get a beta board and get 425HT+ and modren overclockers can't, doesn't mean you gotta flame a Great Company. OCZ Has the best memory out, Who cares about there past. Mistakes only make you stronger, and Who has the best memory for the amd64 platform?

Don't call me stupid again.

[TinTin]

That's my retailed MB, not a sample MB... ;)

If you are going to test higher HTT with a newcastle core A64, you will be disappointed, most got around 3xxMHz HTT, finished, but with a clawhammer, it is easy to get over 400HTT, though higher HTT with async. low freq. of RAM got almost no advantages.

If you only got 250HTT, there should be somethings wrong in the settings, apart from lowering the RAM freq. and CPU multiplier, try to set the LDT ratio (LDT/FSB frequency ratio) to AUTO, it is the best setting when you are playing high HTT, you may get boot problem if you set the ratio manually, e.g. 2X, 2.5X.......bugs.

You can then check by sandra to see what the actual ratio the BIOS has set for you...e.g. for 425HTT, the MB has set a ratio 2.5X for you (see attachment), i.e. 1062.5MHz Hypertransport!

[jess1313]

LDT at 2.5 seems to work well for 250 plus, mem settings(all of them) seem to have big influence on getting high HTT speeds.

I am not going to bother with screenies but I have been up to 345HTT prime stable no problem. After this I start loosing my raid array, IDE drive would probably get me farther.

My board is a retail board with no mods, running beta bios with Vdimm mod.

Jess1313

[Zeus]

I dont know what I want :p:

If I didnt already have a S754 setup then this board would be my first choice, but seeing that I already have a pretty good AN50R its hard to justify the upgrade.

I keep telling myself that the AN50R is holding me back since I can only get 1.96V Vcore out of it and its an old NF3-150 chipset.

Convince me !!!!!!

Just came from an AN50R myself.

I can't tell you much cause i haven't had much time to fiddle around w/ this board but the one thing i found is that the max of my CPU isn't any higher on this board, despite the higher Vcore options.

It was also a bit hard to set this board up properly, it had a few quirks but a fresh windows install ironed out most of it.

Also, the voltages appear to be jumping around a bit but i've been told this is a bug of the chip reading out the voltages.
On the Shuttle all voltages were always rockstable.

On a positive note, i've never gotten such high voltages so darn easy.
Vcore is already high enough and Vdimm is just a matter of flashing the bios, which is a walk in the park.
Now i'm no longer scared to raise Vdimm over 3.2V, doing this on the Shuttle made me nervous, as that board is a wellknown chipkiller.

Other advantages over the Shuttle are:
Wider Htt bus, 6 channel sound, working sata even with very high bus, loadsa bios options.

Maybe i can convince you later when i master all options and possibilities of this board. :D

[kakaroto]

That's my retailed MB, not a sample MB... ;)

If you are going to test higher HTT with a newcastle core A64, you will be disappointed, most got around 3xxMHz HTT, finished, but with a clawhammer, it is easy to get over 400HTT, though higher HTT with async. low freq. of RAM got almost no advantages.

If you only got 250HTT, there should be somethings wrong in the settings, apart from lowering the RAM freq. and CPU multiplier, try to set the LDT ratio (LDT/FSB frequency ratio) to AUTO, it is the best setting when you are playing high HTT, you may get boot problem if you set the ratio manually, e.g. 2X, 2.5X.......bugs.

You can then check by sandra to see what the actual ratio the BIOS has set for you...e.g. for 425HTT, the MB has set a ratio 2.5X for you (see attachment), i.e. 1062.5MHz Hypertransport!

hmm that make sense... ive got a NC 3400+

I hit 305MHz (AUTO HTT) with this boad.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/A64_3400/DFI/305MHz_HTT.JPG

It crapt around 315-320Mhz.

But with the beta bios i cannot go beyond 280MHz.. then is looses the array.

[Lifeless]

hmm, yes could be, I hit 300, but its not completely stable.
http://users.pandora.be/lifeless/300HTT.JPG

But i cant seem to get my cpu over 2400mhz stable :(

[andL64]

so dont go for a newcastle? i cant believe i wanted above 3.0ghz with a necastle on water but i wouldnt do this with a clawhammer i think so should i go 4 a clawhammer because i get the mobo in a few days...

[CodeRed]

Just came from an AN50R myself.

I can't tell you much cause i haven't had much time to fiddle around w/ this board but the one thing i found is that the max of my CPU isn't any higher on this board, despite the higher Vcore options.

It was also a bit hard to set this board up properly, it had a few quirks but a fresh windows install ironed out most of it.

Also, the voltages appear to be jumping around a bit but i've been told this is a bug of the chip reading out the voltages.
On the Shuttle all voltages were always rockstable.

On a positive note, i've never gotten such high voltages so darn easy.
Vcore is already high enough and Vdimm is just a matter of flashing the bios, which is a walk in the park.
Now i'm no longer scared to raise Vdimm over 3.2V, doing this on the Shuttle made me nervous, as that board is a wellknown chipkiller.

Other advantages over the Shuttle are:
Wider Htt bus, 6 channel sound, working sata even with very high bus, loadsa bios options.

Maybe i can convince you later when i master all options and possibilities of this board. :D

Thanks for that.

Keep us all posted.

It will be interesting to see whether or not the DFI vcore regulation is better than the shuttle and hence offer a better overclock. The extra HTT speed from the NF3-250 chipset is just a bonus, but it aint going to seriously help my 3dmark ;)

[Ubermann]

Found some info on bios settings.
Havent tried them yet.
Can be found here:

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/dfi/LP-UT-NF3-250GB/tuningguide.htm

[eva2000]

yeah RW Bypass 16x is faster... interesting about 32bit granularity

[Bourch]

yeah RW Bypass 16x is faster... interesting about 32bit granularity

Will try both settings.
Have someone had any stability problem with them?

[berserk]

Any news of the socket 939 DFI board?

[Klisp]

What are good optimal timmings for this board to really perform? 2-2-2-5-10-16 ?
(I'm trying to get to 30k on 3Dmark2001) Is it necessary to run 1T also ?

[ugp]

@ TinTin:
It seems to look like you have the same version of the 3200+ as me...what is the highest overclock you have gotten on it. I can't get anything over 2.337. I want to get 2.4 or more. I have a strong feeling it is my memory that is the problem though. Please help me out here.

[Bourch]

In my opinion 1T is a must. You can try 2T but will need much more mhz to obtain the same bandwidth.
In one of the first pages of this thread bigtoe did said he was running 2-2-2-0
Altough 0 supposed to be the same as 5 the last one was giving hims some stability issues.

After several testings this weekend on the 250-270 FSB range I couldn't get my system PRIME stable with more than 250FSB (tried 1.7vcore and till 2.9vdimm). It ran SuperPI, 3dmark without crashes and while running prime the system was stable (win didn't crash) but prime always failed.
I think the problem is with the mem. Maybe 2 x Double sided 512 ADATA PC4000 is too much for the memory controller.
Now I'm back to 250 with:
2.5-4-3-0 2.7V (2.7 was the minimum stable Vcore)
R/W Queue Bypass 16x
32 Byte Granularity 4 bursts
Newcasttle 2200@2500 1.55V (if 100% stable I'll try less Volts)

[eva2000]

IIRC, Tony/Bigtoe says for 512MB sticks increase drive strength to 2 ?

[Tony]

Thought I would give you guys a helping hand reaching ddr600 with the 3200 Plat rev2...this is just a good place to tweak from and should be stable if your dimms are pretty good clockers.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/upload/Tony/ddr600/CIMG0058.JPG
http://www.ocztechnology.com/upload/Tony/ddr600/CIMG0059.JPG
http://www.ocztechnology.com/upload/Tony/ddr600/CIMG0060.JPG

hope that helps you guys clock that little bit higher than you may have already acheived.Remember this is 1 dimm only with 2 dimms 270ish is about the max.

[p4z1f1st]

hmm.....thanks bigtoe :)

i'll try them on my 3700EBs :D (2x512MB :wierd: )

so, how i meantion that, lowering bypass max, R/W Queue Bypass, and raising DRAM Drive Strength brings more oc-playground, right? :)

but, what is the DQS Skew Control? :confused:

but ok, i'll set my settings like yours and will see :)

[mad mikee]

Gee I guess I have another project for the evening :D

You back home yet?

[trans am]

Gee I guess I have another project for the evening :D

You back home yet?

Thanks Tony, Just what we've been waiting for!

:toast:

[Zeus]

I don't get it...
Put my RAM to 150, LDT to 2x multi to 6x, Vcore to 1.55V, Vdimm to 3.3V, chipset voltage to 1.8V.
Everything else was at auto.

Then i booted at 6x200 and increased HTT w/ ClockGen, brought it up to 270MHZ and tryed Spi 1M, no problem. :)

Then i set 271 and then 272 and it freezes. :confused:

I thought it must be ClockGen so went into bios, set HTT to 300 and it posted!
But then it said "detecting array" and rebooted.
So i went down to 290, same thing, then to 280, same thing but no reboot, had to reset Cmos. :mad:

Is my board maxing out at 271???

I had 2x256 sticks of HyperX pc3200 in slot 1 and 3.

[RansoM]

I don't get it...
Put my RAM to 150, LDT to 2x multi to 6x, Vcore to 1.55V, Vdimm to 3.3V, chipset voltage to 1.8V.
Everything else was at auto.

Then i booted at 6x200 and increased HTT w/ ClockGen, brought it up to 270MHZ and tryed Spi 1M, no problem. :)

Then i set 271 and then 272 and it freezes. :confused:

I thought it must be ClockGen so went into bios, set HTT to 300 and it posted!
But then it said "detecting array" and rebooted.
So i went down to 290, same thing, then to 280, same thing but no reboot, had to reset Cmos. :mad:

Is my board maxing out at 271???

I had 2x256 sticks of HyperX pc3200 in slot 1 and 3.
Try using only one stick in slot 1.
What are your timings @?

[kakaroto]

I don't get it...
Put my RAM to 150, LDT to 2x multi to 6x, Vcore to 1.55V, Vdimm to 3.3V, chipset voltage to 1.8V.
Everything else was at auto.

Then i booted at 6x200 and increased HTT w/ ClockGen, brought it up to 270MHZ and tryed Spi 1M, no problem. :)

Then i set 271 and then 272 and it freezes. :confused:

I thought it must be ClockGen so went into bios, set HTT to 300 and it posted!
But then it said "detecting array" and rebooted.
So i went down to 290, same thing, then to 280, same thing but no reboot, had to reset Cmos. :mad:

Is my board maxing out at 271???

I had 2x256 sticks of HyperX pc3200 in slot 1 and 3.

I have the same problem, its the bios.

With the original bios i could boot in windows with 305MHz HTT with AUTO.

Now with 9/12 and 9/14 I cannot boot into windows with 275MHz > HTT (detecting array > reboot)

[trans am]

I have the same problem, its the bios.

With the original bios i could boot in windows with 305MHz HTT with AUTO.

Now with 9/12 and 9/14 I cannot boot into windows with 275MHz > HTT (detecting array > reboot)

We need Oskar Wu over here.

[Ubermann]

Mine clocks better with chipset at 1.6 then anything higher.

[Bourch]

I'm pretty confused on that setting. I think 4 should be the most agressive 1 the more relaxed. No idea about AUTO. I'll try with 2 but is it 2 for 512 and ALSO for 2x512 ???
I think this would be the case of gamers that enjoy benching & OC ing

[Zeus]

Try using only one stick in slot 1.
What are your timings @?

Running 2-2-2-5 with 3.3V but mem never came above 215MHz or so, shouldn't be a prob.
Mem does 260 easy with 3.3V


I have the same problem, its the bios.

With the original bios i could boot in windows with 305MHz HTT with AUTO.

Now with 9/12 and 9/14 I cannot boot into windows with 275MHz > HTT (detecting array > reboot)

Man, that's a slam in the face, expected at least 300.
Why is it whining about an array, i don't even have an array!

The original bios sux. :(

I want more HTT! C'mon bios doctors! :D

[eva2000]

Why is it whining about an array, i don't even have an array!



http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1597

From Oskar_Wu


There are a lot of chances for bios code to access and write the cmos space ... No body knows what will happened to these cmos space when we are doing serious overclocking ... Once the system is not very stable but still try to write the cmos space data , the cmos data may be lost and cause the cmos checksum error ... Once the cmos checksum error , the bios code have to reset all setting to default in order to prevent a wrong cmos data cause the system never able to boot up again ...

Currently the HTT frequency is programmed after the RAID bios rom finish initializing ... The RAID bios rom will always try to initialize and see if there is raid setting in bios ... If there is RAID setting in bios , you will see the RAID bios screen ... If not , the system bios will quickly clear the screen , most of the times you will not see it ... But if you see the system stop at the raid bios screen when you overclock , that means the HTT programming sequence hang up and not able to clear the screen ... the system will reset it after a few seconds ... after three times of fail , there will be a prompt screen " Press F1 " ....

[SunTzu69]

Guyz, I really appologize if this is off-topic a bit...

But my DFI board will be here this week, and I can't seem to find any PC-3700 EB ram !!! I'm starting to panic !! :(

Any suggestions or comments are appreciated...

I'd really like to get the most out of my 3200+ mobile A64, and this even if she feels like going to 2.7Ghz... just in case.. :)

[trans am]

Guyz, I really appologize if this is off-topic a bit...

But my DFI board will be here this week, and I can't seem to find any PC-3700 EB ram !!! I'm starting to panic !! :(

Any suggestions or comments are appreciated...

I'd really like to get the most out of my 3200+ mobile A64, and this even if she feels like going to 2.7Ghz... just in case.. :)

find some BH-5 or ocz EL pc3200 rev 2 platinum
also the ocz pc3700 gold rev3 is good.

[Tony]

3500 and 3700EB has gone EOL unless we find IC's that clock as well as the C die we were using...if you can find it snap it up ;)

We do have a new 3500part coming which handles cas2 quite well but does not clock as well as the 35 and 3700EB...it is quite nice though ;)

If you are looking to run a gig on this board i would recomend the 3200Plat rev2 as this does clock well with 2 dimms, and exceptional with 1 but its not quite as fast as the EB with tight timings.

[SunTzu69]

3500 and 3700EB has gone EOL unless we find IC's that clock as well as the C die we were using...if you can find it snap it up ;)

We do have a new 3500part coming which handles cas2 quite well but does not clock as well as the 35 and 3700EB...it is quite nice though ;)

If you are looking to run a gig on this board i would recomend the 3200Plat rev2 as this does clock well with 2 dimms, and exceptional with 1 but its not quite as fast as the EB with tight timings.

Would PC-3500 EB be as good or close to 3700 ? Please explain what I'm looking at if I want to get a 10x multiplier processor to 2.7 Ghz (3200+ mobile A64). I'm affraid I'll be limited with the 3500 and I might not get quite as high on the FSB as I need to get for my cpu to fly...

I can get the 3500 EB, but i need to act fast. Thanks for your support.. I hope to contribute to what you are doing in here real soon !

:toast:

[KingZer0]

So this is the place where all the :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens!?
Nice 2 be a member of this great community ;)

--------

Can one of u guys please gimme a short overview about the Pros/Cons the
DFI posseses according to your experiences?

Maybe its time to sum a few things up cause this thread is overwhelming my brain a little and even my time ;)

[trans am]

Would PC-3500 EB be as good or close to 3700 ? Please explain what I'm looking at if I want to get a 10x multiplier processor to 2.7 Ghz (3200+ mobile A64). I'm affraid I'll be limited with the 3500 and I might not get quite as high on the FSB as I need to get for my cpu to fly...

I can get the 3500 EB, but i need to act fast. Thanks for your support.. I hope to contribute to what you are doing in here real soon !

:toast:

3500eb is fine get it now. You can always resell if you don't like it.

[SunTzu69]

Will the fact that I have to use a divider with PC-3500 EB kill me ? I see you guyz run 1:1 as much as possible... I thought it wasn't an issue with the A64 but it seems that it is to some extent. I plan to need top performance for gaming especially...

If you guyz say go for the 3500 EB now !! I will...

[trans am]

Will the fact that I have to use a divider with PC-3500 EB kill me ? I see you guyz run 1:1 as much as possible... I thought it wasn't an issue with the A64 but it seems that it is to some extent. I plan to need top performance for gaming especially...

If you guyz say go for the 3500 EB now !! I will...


I have that same processor and I can't get that thing past 2650 on water. If you are using phase, maybe you'll see 2.85 stable. but I wouldn't coun't on running past 2600 with good water. My EB 3700 can do 268mhz with 3.1v at 3-3-3-10 1T. The timings kinda suck though. I'd rather run 250mhz 1:1 with BH-5 at 2-2-2-6 1T

[KingZer0]

Can u guys say somethin about the overclockability of various A64 Steppings?
r there any Steppings which r highly-recommended

In my optinion the oc-potential of the a64 differs 2 much to say something general about it what do u think?

i still have a alot of bh5 sticks flying around here so do u think 2x512MB r able to achieve 250MHz @ 1T ?

[trans am]

Can u guys say somethin about the overclockability of various A64 Steppings?
r there any Steppings which r highly-recommended

In my optinion the oc-potential of the a64 differs 2 much to say something general about it what do u think?

i still have a alot of bh5 sticks flying around here so do u think 2x512MB r able to achieve 250MHz @ 1T ?

It comes down to voltage with bh5. with this board and the beta bios, you can do up to 4.0vdimm, but you need a psu with an adjustable pot so you can raise the 3.3v line. or a modded 3.3 line on a psu.

from what I've seen, this board was made for BH5

[KingZer0]

@trans am

thx a lot man :) glad 2 hear that
for me its more important how much i can achieve with out-of-box settings which means a vdimm not above 3,3Volt.

[Loque]

since the 1GB OCZ 3700 EB have been discontinued, what´s the best memory I can get for this board to replace the ocz one ?

[The Mofo]

since the 1GB OCZ 3700 EB have been discontinued, what´s the best memory I can get for this board to replace the ocz one ?

Buy some now, its good stuff, to bad its EOL.

[Loque]

Buy some now, its good stuff, to bad its EOL.
no longer available here... so, whats the best I can get now ? Crucial Ballistix ?

[KingZer0]

Try to catch them via Ebay or @ local stores otherwise i would recommend
Crucial Ballistix

[crazyIV]

i have the same prob. here....
if i put 429/31fsb (i don´t know what apenned to 430), it appears "detecting array"... :mad: ... and i can´t go to windows!!
help :(

[ugp]

Since some of the memory is becoming hard to find what is some really good RAM that will provide some really nice high Bandwidth/Performance scores? I am not looking for Dual Channel kits...just 512 Sticks. That aren't too too high on the price. Sorry this is off topic.

[Tony]

Guys we have a 3500part coming soon (I hope) that is VERY similar to 3500EB and does clock quite well to 500 or so, it also does cas2 where EB was tuned for cas2.5...this may be worth waiting for and as soon as I can i will test and post results.

[The Mofo]

Crucial seemed to have sent some real good clocking sticks to anand. The :banana::banana::banana::banana: i bought doesnt clock worth a damn.

I would recommend the new OCZ PC3200 REV 2 stuff, seems to clock real high with tight timings.

[[XC] serlv]

Would PC-3500 EB be as good or close to 3700 ? Please explain what I'm looking at if I want to get a 10x multiplier processor to 2.7 Ghz (3200+ mobile A64). I'm affraid I'll be limited with the 3500 and I might not get quite as high on the FSB as I need to get for my cpu to fly...

I can get the 3500 EB, but i need to act fast. Thanks for your support.. I hope to contribute to what you are doing in here real soon !

:toast:

this place has it (PC3700 EB ). i don't know whether their price is good or bad. by the way, they are in Canada, but ship to the US.

http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/10/363/6303

[[XC] serlv]

this place has it (PC3700 EB ). i don't know whether their price is good or bad. by the way, they are in Canada, but ship to the US.

http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/10/363/6303


Also, it appears to be available, fairly widely, in the UK. So... if you have friends there. :)

[ugp]

Guys we have a 3500part coming soon (I hope) that is VERY similar to 3500EB and does clock quite well to 500 or so, it also does cas2 where EB was tuned for cas2.5...this may be worth waiting for and as soon as I can i will test and post results.

Alright I will wait for that then. Thanks bigtoe you are a big help as always man :p: . I know it is my memory that is holding back my overclocks and I want more!!! :D

[[XC] serlv]

Also, this place is listing it, too. In stock. I believe they are in the US.

http://www.computerhq.com/OCZ_512MB_DDR_PC_3700_OCZ466512EBPE/products/partinfo-id-430473.html

[The Mofo]

To bad its only a 512mb kit

[[XC] serlv]

And this place...

http://www.microstorm.com/memory/partinfo-id-862097.html

[[XC] serlv]

To bad its only a 512mb kit


Well, yeah... So, ya get two ( those are 512 sticks ). Was just curious if I could find any. Had to go deep into google pages. There are a few places.

I'm using Mushkin BH-5 for now, myself. But will be checking out my new 3500 EB afterwards. I'm not gonna get 3700, too. :cool:

[ugp]

Here is a nice HTT for me so far. Not a high overclock.
And I decided to take it out of the case :D

I didn't want to ruin my DFI box so I used my old MSI K8T Neo box lol

Edit! 400x5.0 I don't see why some people can't even hit 300 on HTT.

[GreyBeard]

This place has single and dual channel EB listed in stock. It is in Canada - not sure if they ship intl.

http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/?cid=162&p=4

[ugp]

I think I am going to wait for the new OCZ to come out that bigtoe is talking about. I want to see what it can do and around about how much it is going to cost.

Some of the GEIL is doing pretty nice but what I would really like to get my hands on is some Mushkin Level II Black. That was some really nice RAM there. But I have also been seeing the Cosair doing nicely as well. But we all will see in time who is going to come out on top. :p:

[eva2000]

Bit of info on Codered's A64Tweaker vs DFI in bios tweaks :)

Seems A64Tweaker even at same settings as DFI bios, is slightly faster and more stressing on system then DFI bios.

i.e. DFI Bios is more stable than A64Tweaker set settings but slightly slower

9x 260HTT at 1.5v vcore

2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 260mhz at 3.28v vdimm with timings of:

2-2-2-6-8-12-2-2-2-2 with

Read Write Q Bypass 16x
Bypass Max 7x
Max Async Latenecy 6ns

Hexus Pifast
A64Tweaker = 51.41s
DFI Bios set = 51.47s

Sandra SP2b Buffered
A64Tweaker = 4037/4038 MB/s
DFI Bios set = 4032/4034 MB/s

Sandra SP2b Unbuffered
A64Tweaker = BSOD unstable
DFI Bios set = 2435/2468 MB/s

DFI bios set allows me to be prime95 and stresscpu stable while A64Tweaker set settings are faster but unstable - apps generate errors too i.e. loading cpuz, a64tweaker, etc

FYI, @260mhz 2-2-2-6-8-12-2-2-2-2 memtest86+ v1.26 reports bandwidth = 1945 MB/s

[CodeRed]

Bit of info on Codered's A64Tweaker vs DFI in bios tweaks :)

Seems A64Tweaker even at same settings as DFI bios, is slightly faster and more stressing on system then DFI bios.

i.e. DFI Bios is more stable than A64Tweaker set settings but slightly slower

9x 260HTT at 1.5v vcore

2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 @ 260mhz at 3.28v vdimm with timings of:

2-2-2-6-8-12-2-2-2-2 with

Read Write Q Bypass 16x
Bypass Max 7x
Max Async Latenecy 6ns

Hexus Pifast
A64Tweaker = 51.41s
DFI Bios set = 51.47s

Sandra SP2b Buffered
A64Tweaker = 4037/4038 MB/s
DFI Bios set = 4032/4034 MB/s

Sandra SP2b Unbuffered
A64Tweaker = BSOD unstable
DFI Bios set = 2435/2468 MB/s

DFI bios set allows me to be prime95 and stresscpu stable while A64Tweaker set settings are faster but unstable - apps generate errors too i.e. loading cpuz, a64tweaker, etc

FYI, @260mhz 2-2-2-6-8-12-2-2-2-2 memtest86+ v1.26 reports bandwidth = 1945 MB/s

Interesting.


The same settings with A64 Tweaker and the BIOS should generate EXACTLY the same results. It would then appear that some of the other settings are being adjusted by the BIOS to improve stability.

There are quite a few settings that I did not provide in A64 tweaker since they did not improve performance, maybe I should re-enable them to allow people to tweak for stability too. I deliberately left out Drive Strength, DQS Strobe tweaks, 32-Byte Granularity, DRAM scrubber controls and a few others.

EDIT: Eva can you post a WPCREDIT screenie of Bus 0, Device 24, Function 2 as set by the BIOS.

[eva2000]

yeah re-enable them all :)

wpcredit i haven't used in ages so not sure how to do it heh.. i'll figure it out later :)

[G H Z]

Anyone try high vdimm yet, say over 3.5v via 3.3 modded and beta BIOS?

[Zeus]

Here is a nice HTT for me so far. Not a high overclock.
And I decided to take it out of the case :D

I didn't want to ruin my DFI box so I used my old MSI K8T Neo box lol

Edit! 400x5.0 I don't see why some people can't even hit 300 on HTT.


5x400 :slobber:

How many sticks of RAM? 1?
Which bios?
Settings?

[HKPolice]

CodeRed, I think you should provide a rough guide to include with A64Tweaker. Tell people which settings improve performance, and which are for stability, etc, just general stuff?

Thanks

[eva2000]

Some quick results no screenies yet still benching but

i'm at 10x 260HTT with 1:1 ram @260mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.28v on this board now :)

1T 8-12-2-2-2-2 7x, 16x

Sandra 2004 Pro SP2b
Buffered = 4033/4036 MB/s
Unbuffered = 2428/2484 MB/s

SuperPi
1M = 33s
2M = 1min 17s
4M = 2min 51s
8M = 6min 30s

Everest Home
Read = 4037 MB/s
Write = 1721 MB/s

Hexus Pifast = 47.11s

Memtest86+ v1.26 = 1953 MB/s bandwidth

[CodeRed]

CodeRed, I think you should provide a rough guide to include with A64Tweaker. Tell people which settings improve performance, and which are for stability, etc, just general stuff?

Thanks

Yeah I know ...

I really need more types of memory to test on. My BH5 runs with the most aggressive timings so thats all I know. I havent a clue what the best settings are for each and every brand/type of memory ... people have to test.

[ColdFusion]

Is anyone using OCZ EL Gold PC3700 rev3 with the DFI board? What FSB have u managed to acheive, and what timings/voltage??

Cheers

[eva2000]

Is anyone using OCZ EL Gold PC3700 rev3 with the DFI board? What FSB have u managed to acheive, and what timings/voltage??

Cheers
yeah i have 2x 512MB OCZ PC3700 Gold rev3 here will get around to testing them.. but may take quite a while heh

[Bourch]

Eva, what freq is your cpu running at?
There is something that doesn't match when I compare your results and mine.

I also have Sandra SP2
My timmings are far from yours -> 2.5-4-3-3 1T 2CMD
2x512 ADATA PC4000 running at 500DDR

I got about 37xx Mb in the buffered test but If I do the unbuffered test I get about 30xx Mb! :confused:

The option to do the unbuffered test is the "Enable Buffering/block Prefetch benchmarks" one? What's wrong? I'm sure that mine should be lower than yours at the unbuffered test

My CPU is also far of your superPI time. Mine takes between 1:26 and 1:29 on 2M

:(

[eva2000]

you're running unbuffered incorrectly you need to uncheck 9 boxes shown here

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/10_11/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-8-12-2-2-2-2-7x-16x-1.66-3.3-1.5-1.6/mem-unbuff.jpg

loose mem timings = slower superpi times

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/10_11/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-8-12-2-2-2-2-7x-16x-1.66-3.3-1.5-1.6/superpi-2m.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/10_11/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-8-12-2-2-2-2-7x-16x-1.66-3.3-1.5-1.6/superpi-8m.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/AMD/DFI/6002_650/3400_2/Kingston/KHX3200K2/2x256/10_11/LDT_AUTO/10x/260-260-2226-1T-8-12-2-2-2-2-7x-16x-1.66-3.3-1.5-1.6/superpi-32m.jpg

[andL64]

so u guys "r" searching for samsung TCCD chips?

XMS-PC3200 XL rev 1.1 (2-2-2-5)
Samsung 4ns TCCD

DDR PC3200 Platinium Edition rev2 (2-2-2-6)
Samsung 4ns TCCD

A-data Samsung TCCD PC4800 DDR600 ram

new A-Data DDR 600 :D

u could also go for the 3500 and 3700 EB on oc-wear.de i think the ship every where ( in european room)

hope my dfi come this week :D to hit the shi/t out of my hardware :P

if u want good bh-5/6 and cheat search ebay for it because so many people didnt get it that they ve got bh-5 they bought their memory far ago... :D so its good for us !

seEn andL

PS: yeah do it codered its a must to stabilizise ur tweaker with more options ( very very great tool ! really! )

[SunTzu69]

Thanks for replying so quickly to my OCZ EB RAM questions...

I'm wondering why you all aim to hit a 1:1 ratio on your FSB/RAM with the A64? Some have suggested that this does not matter for the A64 because it is always using a divider with the on-board memory controller.

Is there really a performance advantage to running 1:1 on an A64 ? Or is it solely an achievement one strives for in the benchmarking world ?

Thanks !

[eva2000]

AMD64 performance all depends on how high your mem speed goes at tight timings, using high HTT with dividers on mem = lower performance unless with dividers mem is at higher speed than what mem would of been at 1:1

well that's what i have read

[Bourch]

The bios released some days ago says:
Fixes - Temp reading wrong(on some)

Are your temp readings fixed?
When posting, people could say if their mobo now reads the temps OK or not.
Just a way to see if there is too many ppl like me or not cause mine is not fixed

[andL64]

u ll get better performance on 1:1 than on others on the same mhz!

so ull be faster with 240x10 1:1 than 300x8 with divider its strange but it gains u little bit i tried it....

[RGone]

:confused: ...eva2000!
how high your mem speed goes at tight timings, using high HTT with dividers on mem = lower performance unless with dividers mem is at higher speed than what mem would of been at 1:1
That almost word for word is the exact results that I see first hand. "Memory" is still the very most important consideration and always has been. There is plenty of slight of hand to make impressive HTT numbers appear but when you run a real calculation or application like SuperPi that is an application and not some bench> if you don't see a 'decrease' in the time to run SuperPi then somebody is kidding somebody.

My particular memory will run 240 straight up 1:1 and superPi is 36secs. In fact right out of the box. Been playing the slight of hand divider game and finally have an HTT of 335 and a so-called memory frequency of 260 both as shown in Cpu-Z but superPi has not come back down to 36seconds yet. Hehehehehe. Smoke and mirrors and still the "memory" and as fast and as tight as you can get it is the answer to big benches except where AGP performance is taken into account. This board and likely most boards that seem to slide AGP transfers to the HTT bus can really smoke.

As always if you have super memory = super benches that have been used normally on previous platforms. My guess is that as far as real applications go the A64 will run way ahead of the NF2 style platforms but to see that something besides 3dmark and memtest will have to be run and then the real horsepower of the A64 will show itself for those things that do data transfers using the HTT communications channels. Memory and it faster is still the biggest and baddest key to running fast. Has not changed a bit.

Sincerely, RGone... :cool:

[Ubermann]

My volt reading has gone totaly mad!
Tried to reflash bios but does not work.
What to do ?

*edit* Changed psu and still same weird volts *

[p4z1f1st]

My volt reading has gone totaly mad!
Tried to reflash bios but does not work.
What to do ?

*edit* Changed psu and still same weird volts *

measure with a digital multimeter ;)

[eva2000]

smartguardion /ihdoctor app underreports voltages and isn't accurate so ignore

[Klisp]

My volt reading has gone totaly mad!
Tried to reflash bios but does not work.
What to do ?

*edit* Changed psu and still same weird volts *

Same reason why i brought a new powersupply. :rolleyes:

[Ubermann]

smartguardion /ihdoctor app underreports voltages and isn't accurate so ignore

Ok but cpu temp that use to be 39c is now ~53 ?

[ugp]

5x400 :slobber:

How many sticks of RAM? 1?
Which bios?
Settings?

It was 1 Stick and I always run it in DIMM3

RAM Divider was set at 1/2 I didn't mess with it anymore after that last night though. CPU was alittle hotter, ran about 37 Idle but at 275x8.0 right now it is at 30 Idle which I like very much.

It was just a plan and simple clock at 400x5.0 which the Vcore at 1.8 and the Chipset was only at 1.8 as well.

[eva2000]

temp measurement in software is buggy = ignore :)

i get same idle temps in that app at 12x 200 = 2400mhz stock and at 11x 245mhz = 2695mhz at 1.75v !

[ugp]

Is your CPU really at 54? Mine reports mine acuurately. Mine idles at 30C and depending on if the Air is on it idles at 25-27 on air. Which isn't bad at all I think.

[masterofpuppets]

Is there any news on the 939 DFI LanParty board? I haven't been following this thread and I can't read all 39 pages as I am on dialup still! Stupid internet!

[ugp]

Quick question because I want to shoot for more out of my HTT...is there any real risks of burning the CPU out settings the HTT higher than 400. I want to try 450x5.0 But I am not sure on the dangers.

[eva2000]

Is your CPU really at 54? Mine reports mine acuurately. Mine idles at 30C and depending on if the Air is on it idles at 25-27 on air. Which isn't bad at all I think.
no way it's at 54C, according to infra-red thermometer my waterblock is only at 26-28C and same cpu on AN50R was 25-30C idle and 36-39C load

[Ubermann]

no way it's at 54C, according to infra-red thermometer my waterblock is only at 26-28C and same cpu on AN50R was 25-30C idle and 36-39C load

The temps was okej yesterday.
The volts was a little below.
But today everthing is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed!

[p4z1f1st]

Is there any news on the 939 DFI LanParty board? I haven't been following this thread and I can't read all 39 pages as I am on dialup still! Stupid internet!


nope....nothing.....

[platty]

In this thread on OCUK forums DFI rekon it'll skip the NF3 939 and we'll have to wait till xmas for the NF4 939. Bet it'll be pushed back even more than that. Hope it aint true.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17291585

[Zeus]

It was 1 Stick and I always run it in DIMM3

RAM Divider was set at 1/2 I didn't mess with it anymore after that last night though. CPU was alittle hotter, ran about 37 Idle but at 275x8.0 right now it is at 30 Idle which I like very much.

It was just a plan and simple clock at 400x5.0 which the Vcore at 1.8 and the Chipset was only at 1.8 as well.

So one stick has got to be the key to ridiculous high HTT. :idea:

Your chip probably didn't run hot because of the high HTT but because of the 1.8Vcore.

What is RAM divider 1/2, is it 150? (thought that was 3/4)

Do you run the modified bios 9/12 and what RAM do you use?

[ugp]

So one stick has got to be the key to ridiculous high HTT. :idea:

Your chip probably didn't run hot because of the high HTT but because of the 1.8Vcore.

What is RAM divider 1/2, is it 150? (thought that was 3/4)

Do you run the modified bios 9/12 and what RAM do you use?

With 1/2 at 400HTT the RAM is at 200. Unless you mean something else.

Yes I have the 4.0-Volt Mod BIOS and I am only using Infineon PC3200. I have clocked it at 247.5 so far. But the RAM is holding my clocks back.

[spaceman]

I was playin' a bit today, and hit 300 HTT with 2x512s, but I noticed the bandwidth sucks. Seems for BH-5, it's best to run 1/1 for bandwidth, but you can get better CPU clocks with 5/6. I'm still not familiar with the LDT multi, not sure how it fits in. :confused: Also, @ 1/1, I can get 255 MHz., but not totally stable at all, and raising vdimm doesn't seem to help. :confused: I've used 3.4v so far, might try higher if I can figure out what's holding me back. One more thing, on my Mobile 3000+, the 8 & 8 1/2 multi show up as 9, so my only options are from 7 1/2 down or 9. :(

[Zeus]

Yeah just found out there is a 1/2 option as well.

I really don't know why i can't get high HTT to work. :confused:
Tried one stick in slot 3, still it maxes out at 270. :(

Did you have 1T disabled by chance, so that you ran 2T?
Do you have Apic enabled or disabled in bios?

[ugp]

All I had set on the memory timings was at 2.5-3-3-10. Everything else was on AUTO. I haven't messed with much of the RAM settings. I am about to try for 425x5.0 hehe Wish me luck

[ugp]

I was unable to hit 425 or 450x4.0 but I will mess with it alittle bit and as soon as I get some new memory I will get some higher clocks but until then.

[Zeus]

How 'bout Apic, do you have it enabled or disabled?

I'm leaning towards the idea that the SPD chip on my mem is overruling bios settings so that divders won't work.

The SPD forces it to run PC3200 speeds.

That might be the reason for not going higher than a mere 270MHz. :mad:

Even with one stick of RAM, 1/2 divider, multiplier 6x and 1.7V chipset i cannot run high HTT.

What's holding me back?

Thought Clawhammer could run very high HTT?

[Ubermann]

Is there some magic limit at 320FSB and running 1T ?
Can't get thru it without system hangs.
Any idea's ?

[p4z1f1st]

do u mean 320MHz FSB(DRAM-Frequency) or HTT?

because, i don't think, that u would get with your PC3200-RAM 320MHz even with 5V VDIMM :rolleyes: ;)

[Ubermann]

I passed 320 with 2.9 Volt.

But kinda hard to get system stable above 305 =(
Need help :confused:

Will the ocz booster make more stable volt even if i dont use it to get higher volts ?
Running Aspire psu.

[ugp]

The ClawHammers will hit high HTTs. Just try this... load it at 400HTT with a 5.0 multiplier a 1/2 Divider to start with relaxed timings on the RAM. And then boot and see if it loads. If it does then start tweaking the other settings until you find something that really works. All I did was go straight for 400x5.0 and it worked lol. I need to work on trying to figure out how to get 425 though. Anyone want to loan me a stick of OCZ EB? hehe

I need to get a newer version of SiSoft. So I can compare to other processors. I am currently downloading the newest and I will post some new pics when I get the chance. I got tomorrow off so I cna stay up all night and play. YAY! :D

[ugp]

@ Ubermann you should be able to hit some really high scores with that memory. I don't see what is going on with your system. Please post what settings you are running (Timings, Dividers, Multipliers, Voltage, etc...) Anything that you have changed. And another problem you have is that you have an Aspire PSU. I had one that came with my X-SuperAlien case and it blew up and shorted out on me and never put out the right voltage and hurt my overclocking.

[Ubermann]

Im running high timmings 3-4-4-10 so its not that good i think compared to low timings.

[RocKer]

Is there any news on the 939 DFI LanParty board? I haven't been following this thread and I can't read all 39 pages as I am on dialup still! Stupid internet!
There will be NO s939 nF3 250 board,the first s939 board that will come out from DFI is one with nF4 and that will be at around Xmas.

Thats what a have read on a forum from a guy how send an email to DFI,en the answer was that it will be out on xmas.

[Zeus]

W0000T!!
Did what UGP did, went into genie bios, selected mem speed 100 (1/2 divider)
Selected multi 5x and 400HTT.... it bloody booted!!
Tested with SuperPi 1m, stable!! :banana:

Right, let's have some more i thought, 410HTT, same thing, 420HTT, same thing, 430HTT, instable, giving "detecting array" message.

So 425, unstable unfortunately...back to 420 and running Prime 95 for a laugh.

As i type this @420x5 it's priming away for over 20 minutes now! :D

Finally it seems to do what i wanted it to do, thanks UGP. ;)

[eva2000]

ooooh me going to try this too :)

[Ubermann]

I had to try also =)
Bandwidth sucked..

(Its with 2T)

[kakaroto]

I doenst work for newcastles :'(

[p4z1f1st]

lol, guys, nothing then 1:1 makes any sense on a A64-rig....your HTT could be 1000MHz.....when u would have a 1/5-divider your sandra-benchies would be @ normal 200MHz-results :rolleyes:

HTT (async-driving), doesn't bring ANY boost....so, just forget that und drive 1:1 and enjoy ;)

[Ubermann]

Who said it must make sense ?
It was just fun =)

[eva2000]

i tried some divider tests at 200HTT just to figure out what each divider sets memory at but in windows cpuz 1.24, 1.23 show mem speed blank and sandra and memtest86+ report mem as 1:1 ???

using 14/09/04 4v modded bios

any ideas ?