New DICE weapon, LN2 too.....

[charlie]

Charlies secret weapon:
100% Dielectric Heat Transfer Fluid
You can replace ALCOHOL in DICE applications...
It's the consistency of olive oil at -70C.......
It can be pumped in extreme chiller rigs, and BEST OF ALL!

It can be used to COVER a motherboard placed in a tray with an uninsulated DICE/LN2 container. Mobo is submersed in 1cm of this fluid, no condensation, no problem......
SO here it is!!!! NOW you can run DICE/LN2 as LONG as the DICE/LN2 lasts............no more insulation, no more messy conformal, not even saran wrap......
No stink, no FUMES........too bad I'm on hiatus from benching :D

[charlie]

ouch.... my thumb hurts :D

[Rabbi_NZ]

I'm been thinking of using something similar in a future project :D... is that fluid called "fluorinert" by any chance?

Flourinert has similar attributes but I thought its pour temperature was only 50c... this fluid looks great! :D
Who sells it?

[Çhrist0ph]

not, flourinert, its "100% Dielectric Heat Transfer Fluid"

Flourinert is just too expensive

[charlie]

yeah, fluorinert is KING @ -115C pour point....... but that's meaningless for our apps. Mine is pourable at -70C.... and great for DI. But the BIG benefit here is for someone to set up a shallow rectangle tray and submerse the board in 1 cm of fluid, and put an uninsulated DI/LN2 tube on the cpu...

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[bh2k]

where can I get some :)

[Arkangyl]

I swear this ub3r cooling stuff looks more like drugs every day...

[Çhrist0ph]

Originally posted by Arkangyl
I swear this ub3r cooling stuff looks more like drugs every day...


umm, yeah...a motherboard submerged in fluid is pretty drug-like....

:stick:

[Rabbi_NZ]

Originally posted by Çhrist0ph
umm, yeah...a motherboard submerged in fluid is pretty drug-like....
but a mystery clear liquid in a medicine cup.... :D

[Kunaak]

Would THIS (http://www.thomasregisterdirectory.com/heaters/heaters_list.html?display=listing&az=49388051&pn=30572002&search_type=product&search_string=Heaters&seq=1&uuid=THezsrch&ezlocation=http://www.thomasregisterdirectory.com/heaters/heat_transfer_fluids_0014597_1.html) be what your playing with ;)

[charlie]

very similar but different mfg............

[Çhrist0ph]

is it cheap and easily available?

[charlie]

have no idea on price, I got free product samples.........not sure if I can give contact info (or he'd get lots of requests asking for free samples and HATE me, lol) I'll check tomorrow.

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[STEvil]

I think i've got something similar out in the shop... ;)

[sandman]

Originally posted by charlie
have no idea on price, I got free product samples.........not sure if I can give contact info (or he'd get lots of requests asking for free samples and HATE me, lol) I'll check tomorrow.

C

Any news?

It'd be pretty awesome to use this.

[Hightower]

That wouldnt happen to be anything like Sapphire would it?
Here (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=94) is what Im thinking of.

[blinky]

Originally posted by Hightower
That wouldnt happen to be anything like Sapphire would it?
Here (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=94) is what Im thinking of.
The fact that Sapphire takes 25 times less energy to evaporate caused the heat of the system to "boil" it off quickly ummm that stuff would be nice as soon as ur done cooling it, u could run it regular and the heat of the mobo would boil it off

[novagamer]

Does this stuff evaporate charlie? Would it be practical to submirse the entire board (incl. graphics) into the liquid if we can find a supplier at a decent price? Sounds great for a chiller or something :)

[kommando]

Originally posted by novagamer
Does this stuff evaporate charlie? Would it be practical to submirse the entire board (incl. graphics) into the liquid if we can find a supplier at a decent price? Sounds great for a chiller or something :)


It can be used to COVER a motherboard placed in a tray with an uninsulated DICE/LN2 container. Mobo is submersed in 1cm of this fluid, no condensation, no problem......

[charlie]

no evaporation........... it's an oil.

[Evil_Spork]

ok i want some of that stuff... thats too cool.

[HaLDoL]

Originally posted by charlie
no evaporation........... it's an oil.
oils also evaporate, any liquid evaporates as long as it's heated enough.

[JWB]

So this would mean though that you would have to have no fans one your board. Would passive cooling still work? You would need alot though because of the graphics card and how would you clean it all off? Sorry I'm not playing this stuff down I just want more info :)

[Playful_Buffalo]

that looks pretty cool,

got a mind bending project coming up? ;)

[CodeRed]

Charlie,
do you happen to have a full set of specs for that fluid, like electrical conductivity, dielectric properties, toxicity (looks tasty), and vapour pressure @ 25 deg C (dont want it to evaporate) etc etc

[charlie]

non toxic/biodegradable, made from 100% hydrocarbon oils with special additives.

[charlie]

You only need a cm to submerse mobo and agp slot, and agp slot is the most common trouble point for condensation when supercooling GPU. And for clean-up it's quite easy. I doused an old VC in this stuff and then used an electrical degreaser spray to clean it and when it dried, it was super clean.
And if I was still benching, here's what I'd DO! take plastic tray fill with 2-3 gal of oil, insert mobo, and install CPU DI pipe with no insulation, just not necessary. In fact, this would allow you to use BIG DI rigs, like 3.5" x 3.0" x .75" baseplate for A64 with 3" Pipe. Put simple square GPU rig on GPU, again, no insulation...who cares? Might as well go with LN2, but buy DI too. Stoke up the 2 pipes with LN2 or DI, and throw some DI directly into the oil... maintain a chilly 10C oil temp for the mosfets/caps/NB and bench away!

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[CodeRed]

Originally posted by charlie
non toxic/biodegradable, made from 100% hydrocarbon oils with special additives.

Thanks for that.

Really need the electrical conductivity properties. Fluroinert is around 10^12 ohm/m (IIRC) and most transformer oils are 10^9 ohms/m, I guess they dont need to worry as much about it and dielectric breakdown is more important in a transformer.

At 10^9 ohms/m it might be a bit too low considering the dimensions on a mobo (0.5 mm)

Whos game to try it? :D

[charlie]

Maybe I'll put together a LN2/OIL/2.8A experiment.... on an IC7-G, or a P4C800 (although they don't seem to like Pressies out of the box) LN2 is $4 per liter though, :rolleyes:

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[JWB]

Ok Charlie I'm having some DI tubes made so I may try this out. Sounds good with the idea of the DI just in the oil for chipset cooling. I was just going to put DI on my northbridge and rest it on my memery but this seems better. Only 10C though, how come? shouldn't it be like -20C atleast?

[charlie]

I just don't think SUPER_COLD temps on NB and mosfets would help much///////
But you could throw in as much DI as you wanted....

C

[JWB]

Yes but wouldn't the lower temps around the bottom of the DI tube help to lower the temperature alot at the bottom of the DI container? also wouldn't the DI container help cool the surrounding area alot too?

[charlie]

sure...

[JSU]

Where can I get this stuff? I think i want to use it in my chiller :)

[cold_ice]

Does anybody know where to get this oil in europe?

[JSU]

any updates on this stuff?

[extremecorvette]

I'm working with ABIT and ASUS on finding out what temps the motherboards can take. We also have to look at the boards on the video cards and memory. I've been told by other people that the type of layered boards that are used for the consumer market absorb moister out of the air because of the fiber structure. They said that the boards will expand some and might break some connections. There are also some problems with the capacitors at low temps. We know the chips can take the low temp but of yet we don’t know if the boards can. So if you try something use junk parts.

[JSU]

So where do i get this stuff?