View Full Version : Some 1.6A madness :)
macci
10-14-2002, 09:06 AM
As you may know I've had this little CPU for quite a while now. First I got it up to 3063MHz (3DMark stable).. 3240MHz (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3240MEM.GIF) (sandra mem stable) using -25C coolant and Abit TH7-2 mobo. At that point the mobo was the limiting factor. After that w/ the P4T-E I was able to push it a bit farther but that mobo maxed out at 198.3FSB (3173MHz CPU). Once I killed the mobo I decided to try the P4T533-C model (which I'm using nowadays).
http://fugger.netfirms.com/1234.jpg
With the (turbopll modded) P4T533-C I've already got this CPU up to over 3.1GHz (it ran both SuperPi (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/spi_3104_air.gif) and PiFast (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/pifast_3104_air.gif) at that speed) aircooled w/ Alpha PAL8942 + 68CFM delta (+12C ambient temp). Also ran some 3DMark at 3223MHz w/ vapophase cooler but the CPU speed was limited by R9700 as that card couldn't handle higher FSB/AGP speed.
Well yesterday I decided to put my Ti4200 (I've ran it at 200FSB w/ 2/4 AGP divider so it wont be the limiting factor :)) in and took the whole system out in the cold (it was +5C). Wanted to see how far I could push it using Pure aircooling methods :D
Was expectin like 3150MHz max and its needless to say that I was amazed when I saw it doing PiFast at 3201MHz aircooled!
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3201_pifast_air.gif)
Also ran SuperPi at 3193MHz... I think that it also ran it at 3201 but the result was the same.
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3193_spi_air.gif)
Then some Sandra MEM goodness.. at 3297MHz aircooled :)
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3297mem.gif)
Was able to push it all the way up to 3345MHz (!) until it crashed (I had it at 3360MHZ but it crashed when I was saving the screenshot :D):
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3345wcpuid.gif)
Today I installed the R404 vaporphase cooler on this thing and (once again) tried to find the limits of this little CPU. Well I was able to run some pifast runs at like 3350MHz or so and partial 3DMark benches at 207FSB but it wasn't very stable.. I got all kinds of random lockups and reboots. Also was unable to run PCMArk membench at anything higher than ~205FSB. Also at 211MHz FSB I got some artifacting already in Windows. I didn't get a single pifast calculation error so its quite obvious that the CPU isnt' the limiting factor here. So once again I need to find better mobo! :D damnit! hehhe.
Wonder if the IT7Max2 can handle these high FSB speeds ;)
ANyways.. this is what this P4T533-C could do:
Sandra MEM:
4413/4385 MB/s (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3331mem.gif)
WCPUID MAX:
3389MHz (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/16a_3389.gif)
libertate
10-14-2002, 10:39 AM
that's damned impressive :)
would you mind posting up a screen shot of sandra arithmetic @
200 FSB?
fredperry
10-14-2002, 11:15 AM
Impressive, to say the least :eek:
QuadDamage
10-14-2002, 11:49 AM
as always good job macci:toast:
i have one question if you don't mind. you said that your raddy couldn't handle agp/pci. what was the symptom? like hard lock-ups? in my case it was the windows terribly slowing down and mouse pointer leaving long trail:eek: i was just wondering whether raddy was to blame or maybe chipset? note, that at fixed agp/pci frequency at 77mhz i could crank the fsb up little more.
or maybe it was fixed divider lock not working properly at around 230~243fsb though.
Originally posted by macci
As you may know I've had this little CPU for quite a while now. First I got it up to 3063MHz (3DMark stable).. 3240MHz (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3240MEM.GIF) (sandra mem stable) using -25C coolant and Abit TH7-2 mobo. At that point the mobo was the limiting factor. After that w/ the P4T-E I was able to push it a bit farther but that mobo maxed out at 198.3FSB (3173MHz CPU). Once I killed the mobo I decided to try the P4T533-C model (which I'm using nowadays).
With the (turbopll modded) P4T533-C I've already got this CPU up to over 3.1GHz (it ran both SuperPi (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/spi_3104_air.gif) and PiFast (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/pifast_3104_air.gif) at that speed) aircooled w/ Alpha PAL8942 + 68CFM delta (+12C ambient temp). Also ran some 3DMark at 3223MHz w/ vapophase cooler but the CPU speed was limited by R9700 as that card couldn't handle higher FSB/AGP speed.
Well yesterday I decided to put my Ti4200 (I've ran it at 200FSB w/ 2/4 AGP divider so it wont be the limiting factor :)) in and took the whole system out in the cold (it was +5C). Wanted to see how far I could push it using Pure aircooling methods :D
Was expectin like 3150MHz max and its needless to say that I was amazed when I saw it doing PiFast at 3201MHz aircooled!
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3201_pifast_air.gif)
Also ran SuperPi at 3193MHz... I think that it also ran it at 3201 but the result was the same.
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3193_spi_air.gif)
Then some Sandra MEM goodness.. at 3297MHz aircooled :)
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3297mem.gif)
Was able to push it all the way up to 3345MHz (!) until it crashed (I had it at 3360MHZ but it crashed when I was saving the screenshot :D):
PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3345wcpuid.gif)
Today I installed the R404 vaporphase cooler on this thing and (once again) tried to find the limits of this little CPU. Well I was able to run some pifast runs at like 3350MHz or so and partial 3DMark benches at 207FSB but it wasn't very stable.. I got all kinds of random lockups and reboots. Also was unable to run PCMArk membench at anything higher than ~205FSB. Also at 211MHz FSB I got some artifacting already in Windows. I didn't get a single pifast calculation error so its quite obvious that the CPU isnt' the limiting factor here. So once again I need to find better mobo! :D damnit! hehhe.
Wonder if the IT7Max2 can handle these high FSB speeds ;)
ANyways.. this is what this P4T533-C could do:
Sandra MEM:
4413/4385 MB/s (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3331mem.gif)
WCPUID MAX:
3389MHz (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/16a_3389.gif)
amazing and impressive your 1.6A.
But amazing and impressive your rimm also. Voltage?
Ciao
TheDude
10-15-2002, 03:19 AM
Man that is totally insane!
Congrats! :toast:
Hognert
10-15-2002, 06:27 AM
Thats one awesome cpu you got there :D. Very impressive!
Klosterbruder
10-15-2002, 06:56 AM
:eek: Yeah :eek: , your 1.6 is great, better than the one I have, i get:
wcpuidmax: 3169 @198 MHz
sandramemorymax 4148 @197 MHz
PC Mark 2002 max 7578 @194 MHz
Sandra Multimedia 12487 @197 Mhz
Sandra Arithmetic 6092 @196 MHz
all pictures: here (http://klosterbruder.nitrofusion.de)
all @ 1,8 V with:
-1,6 GHz P4 "Intel a box" fan, heatsink and pad (no modifications)
- Asus P4T533 Board, Bios 1.05, and 256 MB 1066 Samsung Ram
- Gainward Ti4200 64 MB Ultra 650 TV/DVI
- IBM IC35l080-AVVA07-0 76 GB
- Win XP Professional
go with better cooling next week, but my Mobo and ram has reach their limits. Btw haven't done a burn in, cause i don't how to do it correctly. Please give a guide. Greetings Klosterbruder
PS Macci please check your private messages
Colin
10-15-2002, 08:27 AM
Man, I'm so jealous of the CPU's you guys have...
I wish I were as hardcore as you guys!
GreenBeret
10-15-2002, 08:37 AM
:eek: I know it's macci - the King, but still , 100% OC on air is AMAZING, CRAZY, MAD !
I'm so jealous ! :p My 1.6A can only reach 2.98GHz (almost 3GHz, damn !!!) on air :(
Creative
10-15-2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Niko
I'm so jealous ! :p My 1.6A can only reach 2.98GHz (almost 3GHz, damn !!!) on air :(
But now you can say you are only 2nd to the great MACCI :banana:
hehehe
[NH]Woxxman
10-16-2002, 12:45 AM
Hi there Macci!
Some killer overclocks as usual! ;)
I noticed that your motherboard maybe was a limiting factor when overclockning at extreme FSB-speeds and I just wanted to send my thoughts on motherboards that would handle these high FSB-speeds.
I haven't tested the ABIT IT7-MAX2 yet but i have tested both the IT7-MAX (Red box) and the BD7II-RAID. All I can say is that these boards cope extremely well with high FSB-speeds. I’m a resent visitor on these forums since the 3Dmark team moved from Icrontic and I have seen so many of you guys running systems with the IT7-MAX but none have come close to reach the boards limits when we are talking FSB-speeds.
But now I see that you are pretty close Macci.. :)
The thing is that when I have reviewed the IT7-MAX and BD7II-RAID I tested them with an unlocked P4 Willamette CPU and got some outstanding FSB-overclocks with no modifications on the boards what so ever.
The IT7-MAX reached 215Mhz FSB (http://www.nordichardware.se/recensioner/moderkort/2002/ABIT_IT7/index.php?ez=11) and the BD7II-RAID topped out at 210Mhz (http://www.nordichardware.se/recensioner/moderkort/2002/ABIT_BD7II-RAID/index.php?ez=11), all tests done with AGP/PCI fix enabled. And I say again.. with no modifications on the boards, all stock. With some better chipset cooling I believe that higher speeds would not be a problem.
If the ABIT IT7-MAX2 is anything like its brother that would be a great board for high FSB speeds.
Just my two cents. :)
QuadDamage
10-16-2002, 03:36 AM
If the ABIT IT7-MAX2 is anything like its brother that would be a great board for high FSB speeds.
yes it is excellent board:) 243fsb with no sign of northbridge crapping:)
[NH]Woxxman
10-16-2002, 04:35 AM
O my.. :)
That's some great FSB-speeds with your system QuadDamage. Sorry that I didn't saw that before.. I can see that you mentioned then in your previous posts. :D
May I ask how you got an ES Northwood? Intel has even stopped sending them out to reviewers so they must be really hard to get hold of.
Klosterbruder
10-16-2002, 06:12 AM
hmm I've never thought i could reach more than 180 Mhz, but now my mobo has reached his limit (200 MHz only 2 to go), that's why i've to change the mobo, perhaps i'll go with IT Max2.
I've thought, that i have the best aircooled P4 but Macci has beaten me, way to go guy. Perhaps with better cooler, better mobo, burn in (please give me a guide how to do it) and little bit more VCore I can strike back.
Dirty_Punk
10-17-2002, 06:10 AM
macci you have a pvt ;) :)
macci
10-18-2002, 10:54 PM
OK back again (weekend vacation..) :P
Thanks for the feedback guys :)
QuadDamage,
symptoms were like Hard lock ups, not able to even boot to windows at higher than ~204fsb and stuff like that. And once I increased the FSB from like 166 (AGP 66MHz) to 200 I had to lower the card speed from like 465/368 to 455-360/366.
Kiko, RDRAM was running at 2.8V during that bench. These RIMMs have been at 170 4x TURBO mode (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/mem/170_4x_full.gif) w/ 3V Vmem. :)
Woxxman,
Some good info you got there :)
Ok time to go and play w/ DDR now. :D
wish me luck :)
QuadDamage
10-18-2002, 11:08 PM
ok thanks for input macci. i wish you luck with DDR this time. anyways, i'm expecting some big numbers from you;)
macci
10-19-2002, 07:38 AM
Well looks like this IT7max2 cant handle FSB much at all :/
202MHz was the max I could run it thru pifast w/ my 1.6A.
On a positive note I was able to get my old Samsung pc2700 to run at ~235MHz (cas2.5-7-2-3 enhance) for 3DMark :) Thats w/ a 2.8Gigger @3685MHz btw... ;)
Klosterbruder
10-19-2002, 08:27 AM
hmm that's bad, i want to buy a abit board, too. But samsung 2700 with that speed is awesome, way to go macci. Plz give me a PC Mark Memory Score, with that speed or a little lower, wan to see how fast it is.
macci
10-19-2002, 08:43 AM
going to upload the scores in a minute or two ;)
pcmark was 9092CPU and 86xx for mem at 3685MHZ 234MHZ DDR
3dmark 20597 so far w/ 486/364 ATI clocks
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4813895
Klosterbruder
10-19-2002, 08:49 AM
what 8637, that's more than my rd ram system :eek: . Have you get those scores with rd ram, too? Congratulation to your new scores, Macci is back. Going to take the high score, too?
macci
10-19-2002, 08:49 AM
PCMark compare URL
http://service.madonion.com/compare?pcm=755543
sysfailur
10-19-2002, 08:51 AM
Day-yum! You just keep pulling out more crazy stuff!
Klosterbruder
10-19-2002, 08:54 AM
btw thx for fast upload, macci.
macci
10-19-2002, 09:21 AM
little 3dMArk score update ;)
20724 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4814326) w/ 2.8G@3.685G and 492/364 ATI :D
sysfailur
10-19-2002, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by macci
little 3dMArk score update ;)
20724 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4814326) w/ 2.8G@3.685G and 492/364 ATI :D
OOO nice! (Btw macci, you got PM) :banana:
Originally posted by macci
Kiko, RDRAM was running at 2.8V during that bench. These RIMMs have been at 170 4x TURBO mode (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/mem/170_4x_full.gif) w/ 3V Vmem. :)
10x macci
very nice rimms you have there. :)
Ciao
Klosterbruder
10-25-2002, 12:14 PM
ok maxed out my ram&mobo
PC Mark CPU: 7792
Sandra AB: 6193
Memory: 4161 M/s
with LN2 Stuff
macci
10-27-2002, 02:03 PM
Was playing w/ my very first waterchiller today and got some new results - still using the P4T533-C too :)
the whole system was running outdoors (ambient temp +5C, coolant temp -23C, CPU temp under full load was like +6..+8C).
Sandra mem (unbuffered/unoptimized test) at 210FSB PIC (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/210unbuf.gif) (the optimized/buffered test was a bit over 4400/4400)
also ran pcmark mem at 204fsb and got 9092 but didnt save that result for some reason :/
WCPUID MAX @3413MHZ (http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/nw/3413id.gif) :)
I guess I really need to install that water+pelt on mobo northbridge and try some heavier CPU cooling...
Ok, to summarize....it's not just wrong, and it's not just sick, but getting a 1.6a over 100 percent overclock? It's MAD! :p
Ever since I started in this hobby, I learned of the great macci and the wonders he could create. Wonders never cease.
Let's see 3.5ghz outta that thing, eh? :toast:
MudWhistle
10-27-2002, 07:39 PM
Congrats Macci on those scores, insane man. Just curious, what voltages are you running on your IT7 to attain that 200fsb?
jdmcnudgent
11-02-2002, 04:56 PM
that is awesome, wish i could do that with my 1.6a.:(
macci
12-27-2002, 05:33 AM
Was playing once again.. :D
Increasing the i850E chipset voltage a bit seemed to give quite a bit extra FSB w/ this P4T533-C. So far it has ran pifast at 3470MHz (217FSB) and sandra mem at 218fsb ;) Also got a PCMark MEm score of 9446.. This is w/ R404 cooling on CPU. will upload some stuff once I'm done and have found a new ftp server (looks like the solidhardware.com I've been using is dead now :/)
Raptor
12-27-2002, 06:10 AM
what can i say...
WHY DID I SOLD MY P4T533-C!!! :P
GreenBeret
12-27-2002, 06:11 AM
eh macci, I can't help asking......did Intel specially hand-pick that CPU for you ? :p that's just crazy, CRAZY OC :p well done ! (damn I need to find new words to praise this guy).
Dirty_Punk
12-27-2002, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by macci
Was playing once again.. :D
Increasing the i850E chipset voltage a bit seemed to give quite a bit extra FSB w/ this P4T533-C. So far it has ran pifast at 3470MHz (217FSB) and sandra mem at 218fsb ;) Also got a PCMark MEm score of 9446.. This is w/ R404 cooling on CPU. will upload some stuff once I'm done and have found a new ftp server (looks like the solidhardware.com I've been using is dead now :/)
my 1600A can do "only" 3130 (only for wincpuid shot) at 1.85v with 3° water... can it be like yours with better cooling or is it worse??? :) with ram at 4:5 248mhz probably if better cooled can do 3170 3dmark :D it would be nice i think, worse than 2400@3340 but not too much bad...
Klosterbruder
12-27-2002, 06:24 AM
congratz macci again. My one stops @198 Mhz with air and LN2. Perhaps I'll try some mods next year to get higher clocks.
macci
12-27-2002, 09:58 AM
Ok here are the final results:
3DMark2001SE @3390MHz (212MHz FSB) w/ Ti4200 (371/742):
17588 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5451354)
PCMark2002 mem bench at 3424MHz (214MHz FSB):
9446 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=957710) .. seems to be the highest legit mem score in the ORB :D
PiFast 3.3 1M @3470MHz (217FSB):
26.80 (http://www.kolumbus.fi/macci/p4t533c/3470pi.gif)
Sandra 2003 mem bench at 3503MHz 219FSB:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/macci/p4t533c/219small.gif (http://www.kolumbus.fi/macci/p4t533c/219mem.gif)
w00t w00t (click for full screenshot) :D
Let's see 3.5ghz outta that thing, eh?
Naah let's see 3.56GHz! :D
http://www.kolumbus.fi/macci/p4t533c/3560id.gif
Ok so the magic key this time was doing the chipset voltage mod (increased it first from 1.8v to 2V and then all the way up to 2.15V to make it stable enough for that 3DMark run). CPU was running at ~2V Vcore (1.98under load-2.08 idle) and the temps were around -5C under full load and -15C idle (according to asus temp sensors.. on abit or epox mobo it would have displayed a bit lower temps (like -10C..-20C or so).
did Intel specially hand-pick that CPU for you ?
No I did it myself :D I had the chance to test 5x1.6A CPUs (all were packed 25th march btw ;)) last spring and this is the best there was :)
That is amazing...amazing OC & scores there macci. :)
§§§§ing sick bandwidth there!!! :toast:
Dirty_Punk
12-27-2002, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by macci
Ok here are the final results:
3DMark2001SE @3390MHz (212MHz FSB) w/ Ti4200 (371/742):
17588 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5451354)
impressive, now i have to lap my gpu to try to get at least 17.3k... think 17.6k with only 710mhz on ti4200 ddr is quite impossible...
howether congrats!!!! ;)
sysfailur
12-27-2002, 02:57 PM
Good lord, a 2ghz overclock almost! That's what I like to see!
macci I must say you is the man.:toast:
DoGMaN
12-27-2002, 04:50 PM
WOW!! That truely is amazing!!!!!!! Way to go!
jdmcnudgent
12-27-2002, 06:00 PM
nice again.:cool:
Xassius
03-28-2005, 02:04 PM
Is it just me...or are there easter eggs on the first post. :p
enzoR
03-28-2005, 02:36 PM
:rolleyes:
crotale
03-29-2005, 08:06 AM
Woow, pretty deep dig up...
calcal
03-29-2005, 10:31 AM
i didnt know RD ram can overclock that high = (
macci got some tips on overclock an 2.0ghz iwill p4r533-n with pc800 ram?
DeltZ
03-29-2005, 10:37 AM
i have an IT7 max 2v2 if anyone wants it :P
just doesn't have any of the CPU capacitors left :rolleyes:
Jupiler
03-29-2005, 10:55 AM
A 2 1/2 year old thread resurrects. :rolleyes:
Come on, let it die.
DeltZ
03-29-2005, 11:56 AM
lol yeah, it's not even april fools yet :mad:
kappa2001
03-29-2005, 02:46 PM
A 2 1/2 year old thread resurrects. :rolleyes:
Come on, let it die.
Because of this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51879)
calcal
03-29-2005, 02:55 PM
dont you mean this?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57578
kappa2001
03-30-2005, 08:43 AM
dont you mean this?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57578
That :D
jaguarking11
03-30-2005, 08:17 PM
wow he got over 100% oc.... LOL ok this thread is like ancient.
calcal
03-30-2005, 08:19 PM
How With Rd Ram!!!!!!!!
jaguarking11
03-30-2005, 09:53 PM
How With Rd Ram!!!!!!!!
RD ram actualy oc's quite well and also concider that there could be some kind of divider on it. And if im not mistaken the A series p4's were 478 socket and possibly ddr1.
macci
04-04-2005, 01:55 AM
Since this is a HOT topic let me post some screenshots I happend to find from my old bench harddrive (these were originally included in the old posts but looks like the links are not working anymore) :D
Anyways here goes. RDRAM power! :toast:
It was the ultimate king back in the old days!
As far as I know the highest RDRAM clock and sandra bench:
190FSB 4X mode (RDRAM @761.5MHz)
http://www.akiba-pc.com/P4_16A/190_4x_sandramem_s.gif
PiFast 3.3 1M @ 186.8MHz 4X mode:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/P4_16A/186.81_4x_pi.gif
Sandra Unbuffered @ 180FSB 4X TURBO mode:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/P4_16A/180_4x_unbuf.gif
I wonder if there is a chipset that can beat that at 180FSB w/ 256MB of RAM? ;)
Sandra mem w/ 1.6A @ 3504MHz (219FSB), RDRAM 3X TURBO mode:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/P4_16A/219FSB_s_rdram3x.gif
The Stilt
04-04-2005, 02:33 AM
Sandra Unbuffered @ 180FSB 4X TURBO mode:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/P4_16A/180_4x_unbuf.gif
I wonder if there is a chipset that can beat that at 180FSB w/ 256MB of RAM? ;)
None of the current chipsets come even close :(
btw. Could use some help here... ;)
macci
04-04-2005, 04:03 AM
my current i925XE DDR2 mobo gets 2600MB/s (after tweaks) at 280FSB (thanks to 4-4-4-8 timings!) :D
death metal
04-04-2005, 05:37 PM
rdram rocks =)...tnx for sharing macci =)...