View Full Version : Playing with P4PE
Charles Wirth
10-10-2002, 02:22 PM
I will be posting P4PE stuff this weekend.
The models are kinda confusing
P4PE /BGL is Broadcom Gigabit Lan version
If raid is listed, it has the promise SATA chip
If it lists sound, it has the Soundmax chip on it
Yay for IDE off the side of the board like I suggested on the Abit thread.
Tonight will be setting it up and all weekend benching. I have a grip of R9700's to go thru too.
Sorry about the lack 2.5A stuff, still waiting on good news before I buy another P4T533. -C might be an option, but got my hands full currently.
I really hate to move the IT7 out again, the damn thing owns hardcore for stability.
Charles Wirth
10-11-2002, 08:43 PM
http://fugger.netfirms.com/34ghz.jpg
The P4PE is a worthy sucessor to the IT7, more features, newer chipset.
Nice overclocking features. It has already beaten the IT7's capabilities and still digging for more.
Now riding at a nice 3.4Ghz cruising speed.
I am getting more memory bandwidth from this mobo than the IT using the same stick of ram.
More clock adjustment for memory in BIOS is also a plus.
Benchmarks coming up, here is a PCMark2002 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?pcm=738890) I did at 3.2Ghz testing the waters.
Drozdov
10-11-2002, 08:45 PM
Looking good :toast:
Charles Wirth
10-11-2002, 10:57 PM
The P4PE overvolts with default voltage. Rides around 1.56v steady.
Its nice to have correct temps and even nicer to have 1Mhz adjustments to the AGP/PCI.
So far very stable at high speeds
It has a HIP6302, but I do not think voltage mod is needed.
it appears AGP voltage also adjustable in bios.
bummer the mem only goes to 1.9v in this bios rev
Giant
10-12-2002, 12:16 AM
Nice overclock :cool:
What cooling were you using to get to 3.4Ghz?
And i assume thats a typo where you say the P4PE has max dimm voltage of 1.9V :) 2.9V is the correct figure ill assume?
Thnx
JCviggen
10-12-2002, 06:24 AM
FUGGER,
what kind of memory speeds can you do on that thing ? :)
gandalf027
10-12-2002, 09:52 AM
I'm playing around with one too.
Well, at ddr400 i get something like 3080 in sandra, at 2.5,3,3 .. wich is amazing.
JC .. we have the 266, 333, and 400 option in the bios for the memory.
The board has some great options in the bios, and it has the 1.85vcore open, so no need for the vpin mod.
Didn't play much yet, but i'm liking it.
More feedback later.:toast:
JCviggen
10-12-2002, 10:33 AM
Well I would like to know how much it actually reaches async.
I need 235-240 MHz at 3:4 ratio...
gandalf027
10-12-2002, 10:40 AM
It can gice you that speed. The ddr400 option i mentioned is like the 3:4 option the it7 has.
JCviggen
10-12-2002, 10:47 AM
yes sure but does it reach it is what interests me...
gandalf027
10-12-2002, 11:30 AM
Give a few more hours :D
Charles Wirth
10-12-2002, 11:56 AM
Coming down in temp today for some serious benching, here is a quick sandra memory bench.
http://fugger.netfirms.com/sandramem.jpg
240 2-5-2-2 Turbo enabled iirc
I am getting the stability I require to make a sucessfull move from the IT7. I am also running at a higher cruising speed.
JCviggen
10-12-2002, 11:58 AM
right thats it, I'm getting that board :D
Charles Wirth
10-12-2002, 12:16 PM
That sandra seems low to me, decent score?
Jupiler
10-12-2002, 12:22 PM
Seems a bit low for 240, 2-5-2-2.
you should reach 3700 at least, at that speed. Check the memory settings again and post a screenie of the full memory bechmark, so we can see what settings you used.
fredperry
10-12-2002, 12:36 PM
Was thinking of getting the ABIT BE7, but after the bad comments over @ ocUK forums I ruled the BE7 out. Maybe I'll get this one, since the EPoX one won't be here for a few weeks...
gandalf027
10-12-2002, 12:50 PM
3340 for 240mhz .. that's a bit low .. weird :rolleyes:
CrawlingEye
10-12-2002, 06:20 PM
XP scores higher than 2k. He appears to be running 2k. Thus, the loss in SiSandra benches, likely.
Charles Wirth
10-13-2002, 02:22 AM
After playing with the BIOS, I think the fastest memory option is broken and skips back down after what seems to be 130'ish.
I was able to post up to what is supposed to be 453Mhz on the memory, this is what sandra says.
http://fugger.netfirms.com/sandramem2.jpg
Another thing that is whacked is if you disable the midi/joystick port the system will not boot. Someone else who owns one please confirm this.
I will kick it around some more and see what pops.
Charles Wirth
10-13-2002, 02:51 AM
Tightening up memory some more.
Memory at 452Mhz (http://fugger.netfirms.com/452bios.jpg)
gandalf027
10-13-2002, 03:13 AM
I have the joystick/midi port disabled without any problems.
My latest findings, i can run at ddr435 (218mhz) at 2.2.2.5 with the turbo mode enabled at 2.9v ... at ddr440 i have to change it to 2.5 or i cannot enter into windows. I was trying the 1st dimm slot .. but the 2nd one gives me more stability and i can push the memory further.
The only prblem here is my cpu is my botleneck .. 165fsb at 1.85v, 166 is a no go.
But at 163 mhz i can run the memory with the more agressive timings then with my it7, and the scores are better in sandra and in superpi at the same speed. :banana:
Hi,
I got this board this weekend, I got a wire-tricked P4 2.26, it defaults to 1.90v in the BIOS
but I'm unable to drop the voltage :/
chosing auto/manual vcore settings don't change a thing, I can only select 1.85v
is this a bug ? is there an extra jumper somewhere? I couldn't find any info on this in the manual either :/
JCviggen
10-14-2002, 01:53 PM
These boards dont go below default voltage, remove the wiretrick...
damn :/
would 1.9v be too much?
what's the best way to remove the "wire-trick"
cause it's painted on with silver paint
JCviggen
10-15-2002, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by jmke
damn :/
would 1.9v be too much?
what's the best way to remove the "wire-trick"
cause it's painted on with silver paint
try some thinner or aceton maybe... that stuff gets everything off ;)
then use a needle to scratch it away....
will try it,
this means that it's harmfull to keep running @ 1.9 ?
JCviggen
10-15-2002, 09:00 AM
depending on the CPU, 1.9V is too much to get an optimal OC
RAMMER
10-15-2002, 12:58 PM
Any verdict on this Assus board ? I'm watching my vcore go from 1.688 to 1.634 on my IT7. I want to buy a new board!!
JCviggen
10-15-2002, 01:09 PM
I dont like the P4PE so far :(
up & running @ 1.55v , lowest she can go
didn't have time to overclock, had to fix the Win2000 installation first :-)
tommorow I'll find out how far this standard intel cooler will take me :)
JCviggen
10-15-2002, 03:42 PM
I hate this board. I really do.
Please someone remind me next time I think of buying an ASSus, slap me in the face or something
- memory will not run 3D past 220, at least it made 232 on the IT7
- There are a sh*tload of memory timings and all but changing them doesnt have any positive effects
- they connected the onboard sound plugs wrong. Since when is red the line out and green the mic???
- in the memory options, they accidentally made a "4" where it should be a "2" in memory frequency. You select something 4xx MHz and end up with 240 (DDR, 120 MHz).
- MBM and CPU cool cant find any voltage or temp sensors... wtf?
oh and its slow as an overweight dog with leukemia in 3Dmark
my week so far : 2 dead abits, a pos P4PE and a worse radeon 9700 than I started with. Oh and I'm broke.
Charles Wirth
10-15-2002, 04:18 PM
My P4PE seems to be a good one. I had horrible luck with the P4T533 myself. the P4T-E was also good to me.
JC you need to sacrafice a chicken, burry the head under the NE corner of your house for 21 days and on the 21st day take a hair clipping, faucett water, and moisten the hair and stick that to the back of the mobo or video card. Everything should work itself out in no time.
All kidding aside, I am also finding that the P4PE does well with PCM and poor in 3DM as well. The Sandra scores I posted show poor bandwidth at a high FSB. Something does not add up and if the next bios rev does no good I may jump back on the IT7 untill I get a 3.06 HT chip.
libertate
10-15-2002, 04:19 PM
JCViggen: sorry to hear that... I was kinda thinking about
getting a P4PE....
Maybe the Epox 845PE (on which Epox brought back the P4 power connector)
will yield some 4bda-like results :D
GreenBeret
10-15-2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by JCviggen
I hate this board. I really do.
Please someone remind me next time I think of buying an ASSus, slap me in the face or something
Next time if you think of buying an A:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: board, think of my sig first :D
calantak
10-18-2002, 02:44 AM
so we rule the p4pe out of the equation...
anybody get a chance to try out that epox offering?
are we really gonan have to wait until we get dcddr before a nice board pops up again?
Charles Wirth
10-18-2002, 08:02 AM
I am pulling out the P4PE, it is a stable board that run good at high speeds. but it just does not perform like the IT7.
I still do not trust the memory timing, the numbers are too low.
I have a cold boot issue sometimes.
On the good side I was able to do all my testing without whacking the hard drive once.
Hi FUGGER :)
I got this P4PE for a review in my PC right now and I'm not very pleased with it too, although the fact, that I got no cold boot issues....
Anyway, just found that there's new BETA BIOS for this mb, you may wanna try it anyway :D
ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/mb/sock478/p4pe/1002p4pe01.zip
Charles Wirth
10-22-2002, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the BIOS update, I will give it a try.
Well today I found, that there's even newer BIOS, 1002, but not a beta...
ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i845pe/P4PE/1002__02.zip
Helped me to gain some stability with the two CPUs for testing - the 2GHz Celeron NW went right up to 3120MHz/1.725V - not bad for AIR, but not as fast as I wanted it to be...
Charles Wirth
10-23-2002, 03:11 PM
A 3Ghz celeron :eek:
Nice
I will test the new 1002 tonight.
Well there's even newer BIOS:
ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i845pe/P4PE/1002__03.zip
You may wanna try it also.... I'll give it a try tonight with some 2.4B CPUs.....
Well after tonight I end up with 3204MHz 2.4B and a 3D MARK Result of 14474...
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4860700
And that's not even the MAX....
This MoBo is good, indeed......
:banana: :banana: :banana:
GreenBeret
10-25-2002, 05:57 AM
Keep the info coming guys, as I may get a P4PE soon :D
I'm impressed with the P4B533-E I"m using :)
Charles Wirth
10-29-2002, 12:12 AM
pc ice, the new bios works better for me, I also have the corsair PC3500C2 but I do not have the problem getting higher than 169 on the P4PE.
Does turning off enhance help?
GreenBeret
10-29-2002, 12:21 AM
Here's what my friend's P4PE, P4 1.6A and Corsair XMS3200 C2.5 can do:
http://users.on.net/nlinh/HW/M184.jpg
Charles Wirth
10-29-2002, 12:39 AM
Beats my old 1001 bios sandras by quite a bit, is that with the new bios?
GreenBeret
10-29-2002, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by FUGGER
Beats my old 1001 bios sandras by quite a bit, is that with the new bios?
He told me: stock BIOS. Maybe his board comes with the new BIOS ? I dunno, let me ask him again.
GreenBeret
10-29-2002, 05:19 PM
This is crazy ! I'm going to buy a P4PE !
My friend's result:
http://users.on.net/nlinh/HW/M190.JPG
Charles Wirth
10-29-2002, 06:52 PM
Niko carefull as the P4PE is not as strong as the IT7 in 3DMark from what me and JC have observed.
I will be benching again this weekend at 3.55Ghz, my P4PE can OC the R9700 core higher than my IT7. AGP diving strength or more voltage to the AGP slot? 418 vcore vs 430 vcore.
The P4PE does ok at PCMark tho
Also with the new bios I see my vcore jumping around more.
It also seems like it boots faster. It will load all the way into windows before the monitor warms up.
Originally posted by FUGGER
It also seems like it boots faster. It will load all the way into windows before the monitor warms up.
:eek: WOW :eek:
That fast?!? What kind of monitor do you have?
Charles Wirth
10-30-2002, 02:59 AM
Sony HMD-A400 19" (http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/generic/displaymonitors/homemultimediaseries/index.shtml)
Creative
10-30-2002, 07:29 AM
Im going to get this board tomorrow and have a try with it.
Ill keep it for the weekend to play with this 2.4b that is good for 3.1 with the IT7 in 3:4 mode.....That will be my comparison...:)
OK now, we got new official 1002 BIOS for P4PE...
ftp.asuscom.de/pub/asuscom/bios/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i845pe/p4pe/1002.zip
The best so far, helped me to rum 2x256MB ( instead of 1x256MB ) @434MHz, not possible before.