Prommie sized chiller.

[chilly1]

Ok I am starting a new project for member. This chiller will be slightly larger than a prommie but It will do -45 under a cpu/gpu load.
We have a name LIQUID FROSTBYTE

http://www.blairwing.com/images/Chiller1.jpg
http://www.blairwing.com/images/Chiller2.jpg

Stainless Catrige Bronze Pump Taco 006

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller1.jpg

Dissembly of pump prior to soldering the housing into the assy

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller2.jpg

Condenser and Filter drier welded

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller3.jpg

Added captube and charged

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller4.jpg

Insulated and piped pump and rez

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller5.jpg

[kommando]

Looks nice is it usin ga heatexchanger?

[runmc]

That will be fun reducing that HX down to 3/8 or so.

Great project!!! I'm sure alot of people will be interested in this one.
:D

[kommando]

Also what are the specs of the system?

[Slay3r]

nice

[Ragnarok]

umm ya sure the MCP600 wont crack @ low temps?

[kommando]

Its made out of metal should hold well.

[paul007]

yeah what compressor??condenser ext chilly?

[chilly1]

The condenser is a tecumseh GBU unit and the compressor is a 1/3 hp Aspera low temp. The HX is simmilar to what I use on my GPU cascades. The pume is a swiftec 700L/hour, The rez is a 2L medical bottle that has good lowtemp charisitics. I will follow with the build over the next week.

[paul007]

make sure you put that pump in a box and use spray foam.. my swifty mp600 cracked all over when i was runing my freezer with -67c alchol :( after only 15min

[kayl]

man these are some extreme chillers you guys have here
i guess there is a chance for those of us how cant make the cpu blocks for phase change units

[Gary Lloyd]

make sure you put that pump in a box and use spray foam.. my swifty mp600 cracked all over when i was runing my freezer with -67c alchol after only 15min


What alcohol mixture were you using?

[paul007]

99% pure isopropyl alcohol got slushy but stil had good flow rates

[Gary Lloyd]

There is a low pressure point at the eye of the pump impellor. This momentarily drops the temperature at that point. If it slushes in the res, it can freeze at the eye of the impellor, and break things.

I am not saying this is what happened, but it is a possibility. The freeze point of the mixture must be well below the temperature of the liquid.

[DaBit]

http://www.icecoldcomputing.com/generic/imagehandler.php?hval=b06e2faedd7f0791a4c32ad8c65a 568c4074464a

70/30% methanol/water, -42C liquid temp, Sicce Nova 800L/h (~200gph) pump.

[paul007]

wo that pump looks kinda like mine but did :)

[chilly1]

I plan on using straight methnol (99%) or better if I can get it. Guess it better be leak tested real good... It will above the freeze point of the cooling liquid..

[OCme]

I'm getting giddy with anticipation and welling up with excitement inside, kind of like a school boy getting ready to go out on his first date!

[chilly1]

Sized it up today metal subbase for pump and rez will be ordered tomorrow... Under the compressor is a condensate collection area that evaporates by using the discharge tube to heat it....

[Pimpsho]

what is the big piece of copper coming off of the condensor?

[kommando]

Ooo OOO liquid frostbyte, its gonna own !!!

[Charles Wirth]

That tecumseh condensor is soooo nice. The picture does not do it justice.

The copelands are nice but after seeing the tecumseh and examining the layout, it is a superior design even though its so simple.

[chilly1]

Originally posted by Pimpsho
what is the big piece of copper coming off of the condensor?

Heat exchanger.

[kommando]

Why so small?

[OCme]

Originally posted by kommando
Why so small?

With dimensions like that it would fit nicely under a PC just like a prommie or under a desk. I really like this idea. I don't believe I've seen a chiller like it before.

[docah]

Hey chilly, lookin good :) If i had the money for one i'd be next in line.

[HELLBOY]

THIS THING IS GOING TO CHILL SO GOOD, HELL MAY FREEZE OVER. NICE WORK CHILLY...LUCKY YOU ARE :thumbsup:

[spacerbasser]

Originally posted by OCme
I'm getting giddy with anticipation and welling up with excitement inside, kind of like a school boy getting ready to go out on his first date! Well don't piss yourself just yet. -45C coolant will only get your processor around -5c to 5c with a 150 to 200 watt load. Hey ? Shouldn't this be in the chilled liquid cooling section??

[|RickY|]

i've already have this ideia of using an heatchanger on a water... or metanol :D chiller but i never think it can handle good temps on water with some load, so i use a 5L reservatoir on mine,

it was perfect and clean, very nice work chilly1 :)

[TheDogFather]

Originally posted by spacerbasser
Well don't piss yourself just yet. -45C coolant will only get your processor around -5c to 5c with a 150 to 200 watt load. Hey ? Shouldn't this be in the chilled liquid cooling section??

Nice attitude.

Were do you get your calculations from, -45 will get -5 ?

TDF.

[Farbror]

Gj man one day i will build something like that....:rolleyes:

[spacerbasser]

Originally posted by TheDogFather
Nice attitude.

Were do you get your calculations from, -45 will get -5 ?

TDF. No calculations just experience. Been using chillers for a while now. The coolant temp is not going to be the temp of the processor. Go figure . no attitude just reality.

[chilly1]

Works the same for phase change and the internal temps will vary as the sensors are calibrated for normal operation. Also some mobo's put their sensors further away from the CPU.

[zakelwe]

:toast: mice work chilly, I missed this first time around.

With Gary and Chilly doing chillers things seem to be getting smaller and colder very quickly.

At this rate I'll have to viasit the phase change section just to warm up :p: ;) :D

Regards

Andy

[Prandtl]

Originally posted by spacerbasser
Well don't piss yourself just yet. -45C coolant will only get your processor around -5c to 5c with a 150 to 200 watt load. Hey ? Shouldn't this be in the chilled liquid cooling section??

Assuming a c/w of 0.2 for a WW type block (http://www.overclockers.com/articles692/index02.asp) and your 150 and 200W load, actual cpu temp should be(with water temp of -45), -15° and -5°, so that's 10° lower than what you expected. Really depends on the block you had in mind i suppose.

[Stang_Man]

this thing looks sweet!

is it going to be able to fit inside a prometia lian-li style casing?

[gouda96]

Damn :slobber:

That's even smaller than the last 2 chillers Gary has sold!

Damn sweet looking...I wanna see some results:toast:

[HELLBOY]

Originally posted by spacerbasser
Well don't piss yourself just yet. -45C coolant will only get your processor around -5c to 5c with a 150 to 200 watt load.

Never underestimate the chilling ability of Chilly1... I believe he said that it would do -45C under cpu/gpu load which means he has done his math.



Originally posted by spacerbasser
Hey ? Shouldn't this be in the chilled liquid cooling section??

Yes, I agree, it will get better response over here.

[OCme]

How about some more eye candy chilly1?

[Gary Lloyd]

Hey ? Shouldn't this be in the chilled liquid cooling section??

Actually, if one forum is called "Chilled liquid cooling", then the other should be called something like "Direct die cooling". Both are phase change.

[chilly1]

Build starts tomorrow night.......

[OCme]

Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
Actually, if one forum is called "Chilled liquid cooling", then the other should be called something like "Direct die cooling". Both are phase change.

I agree it almost seems like the "chilled liquid cooling" section was added sometime after the "vapor phase change" section. To eliminate any confusion a more accurate representation for each seems in order since both are in fact vapor phase change.

[chilly1]

Nort really Although a chiller is cooled by vapor phase change it is still chilled liquid....

[Gary Lloyd]

Same machine, different evaporator.

[KennethChong]

Nice idea, im waiting to see some good results!

[chilly1]

Working on finding the most xtremepump I can find looking at a grundfoss s series stainless impeller ect....steel pump housing... more info forthcoming

[gouda96]

How much is that beast gonna run ya?

[chilly1]

grundfoss cartrage pump around 130 from a plumbing supplier.

[Gary Lloyd]

How is the chiller progressing, Chilly1?

[Stang_Man]

pics please!! :)

[chilly1]

Stainless Catrige Bronze Pump Taco 006

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller1.jpg

Dissembly of pump prior to soldering the housing into the assy

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller2.jpg

Condenser and Filter drier welded

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller3.jpg

I will be adding on a daily basis as time permits Ordering case tomorrow. THis is also the first stage to a -110C cascade, which is the same size.

[oc_nightmare]

it is looking really good:slobber:

[chilly1]

More pics tonight the refrigeration is done testing tonight...

[kommando]

Loooks schweet, might be too late but do you have any internal pics of your heatexchanger?

[chilly1]

Added captube and charged

http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller4.jpg

Up date charging and tuning system chiler wll be finished up in a few days... Case layout and final color design is in the works. working with the client on this so I will be posting the final in a few...

The internal of the heatexchanger looks like tubing with high ridges on it.... This is a off the shelf suction subcooler HX-100.

[OCme]

Sweeet work man! The chiller is looking better all the time:)

:D Love the cat avatar Chilly1, is that one of quality control specialists???

[chilly1]

He was pissed I kept him up all night.

[OCme]

Originally posted by chilly1
He was pissed I kept him up all night.

Working your cat like a DOG huh, yea they hate that.

[chilly1]

Actually he sits, fetches and goes on walks and when I am done with all this I am allowed to go to work.

[OCme]

is that the cap-tube wrapped around the heat-exchanger, and if so what is the larger aprox. 3" piece called it originates from?

[chilly1]

Starting with the discharge of the condenser, then the filter/drier/strainer on to the capillary tube next the heatexchanger,suction line, compressor and finally the condenser then goto line 1.

[OCme]

aaah yea, I'm glad one of us knows what in the hell he's doing...

Thanx for clearing that up for me

[LuckMan212]

hey Chilly what size fittings are on that Taco pump? I assume the target dia. is 1/2"ID? how are you going to adapt that or have you not gotten that far? I am curious about this. sorry If I am missing something obvious..........

[chilly1]

The fittings on the 006s are 1/2 id pipe standard copper pipe I will use silver bering alloy to attach the piping to the pump housing as it is bronze. he internal water system is 3/8 ID and the pump will do 600gal/hr

[chilly1]

Insulate the chiller barrel and installed the pump and rez, piped the pump up to the chiller barrel. Next construct the fill spout and diptube, insulate the pump and rez.
http://www.blairwing.com/images/chiller5.jpg

[kommando]

Wowzor, that looks cool!

[Gary Lloyd]

Very nice job, Chilly1. Looks great. :toast:

[pippin88]

Very Nice!

[KennethChong]

Very impressive, its comming along very nicly.

[OCme]

Chilly you are truly an engineer's engineer... a masterpiece in progress :)

[berkut]

If that pump isnt a monster then i consider these 8-10mm OD pipes a lil thin

[OCme]

I cant wait to see the performance!!!

[chilly1]

The pump is a 1/40 hp centrifigual, with Backflow preventer, self priming, 125 psi max 500+GPH TACO 600r stainless cartrige pump, bering surface is the working fluid.

[berkut]

ok, thats enough for me, will work :D

[HELLBOY]

:toast: AWESOME

:banana4: :banana4: NICE WORK CHILLY

[wfarid]

could you provide a diagram for what you did?

[chilly1]

It is the same as this with a capillary tube instead of the CPEV.

[wfarid]

what does the dryer and cpev do?

[wfarid]

do u have the refigerant lines in the shell? is the shell also the resivoir?

[chilly1]

The evaporator is inside and the and the water runs on the outside, there is a small rez of 1L seperate ant this is where hte pump gets its feed water from.

[chilly1]

That drawing uses a cpev for metering the flow of refrigerant into the evaporator maintaining a specific evaporator pressure.

[LuckMan212]

so how's it comin' chilly?:stick:

[chilly1]

Completeing the metal today picked up the controller this morning and the relay sets. Setting it up today testing this weekend and shipping first of the week...

Pics going up of the controls later today..

[gouda96]

Who's this beautiful piece of work going to chilly1?

[chilly1]

Tenn. USA...

[gkiing]

Great work chilly, very impressive. When I've got $700 to spare I'll remember this.

[kayl]

so chilly you use the constant pressure expansion valve instead of cap tubing?

[chilly1]

Not on these small single stage systems, On larger systems I use them ...

[scrible88]

That is truly awesome.

[chilly1]

Damn Pump failed to work taking it back tomorrow, Used another pump it cools fine but th epump I tried did not have enough capacity and the propoylene was too thick at subzero... -5C...

[Gary Lloyd]

That's why nobody uses glycol. It gets too thick to pump at low temps. Try denatured alcohol. Or if you have lots of money, try D-Limousine. Oh wait... that's D-Limonene. :D

Hmmmmm... Is Fluorinert the same as D-Limonene?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32554

[OCme]

It doesn't sound like the pump was to fault... the viscosity of the fluid seems to be the problem that led to failure... How viscous is Fluorinert or D-Limonene @ -40C to -50C.

[chilly1]

D-Limonene who has some of this...??? As to viscosity I don't know, the pump I got will not work it has an internal fault going topick another today... The one I used has not enough power to move the polyproplene at -10C

[pythagoras]

you could get the prices on some of these fluids:

http://www.dynalene.com/index.html

Regards

John.

[OCme]

Originally posted by chilly1
The one I used has not enough power to move the polyproplene at -10C

-10C...hummm, a little shy of the mark of -45C under load. You will definitely need another liquid to be successful.

[chilly1]

yes on the way...

[OCme]

Originally posted by pythagoras
you could get the prices on some of these fluids:

http://www.dynalene.com/index.html

Regards

John.


dynalene... SWEET!
Looks very promising. I bet this is the stuff Gary was referring to... Thx Pythagoras :up:

[chilly1]

Already ordered..