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Lastviking
03-16-2004, 03:07 PM
----------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bios settings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---------------------------

(Standard Cmos)
Acces mode: auto (på hddn)

(Advanced bios features)
APIC mode:Enabled
Delay for hdd:0

(Advanced chipset features)
Expert
Aggressive
Expert
11
2(2 if you have bh5 sticks)
2(2 if you have bh5 sticks)
2(2 if you have bh5 sticks)
2.0(2.0 if you have bh5 sticks)
9(13 most stability )
12(15 most stability)
Enabled
Enabled
Fast
Enabled(Disabled if you have ds sticks"512 mb sticks")

---Alpha settings"Fastest and highest fsb"--------
T(DOE):1 (Maybe 2)
T(RRD):3
T(W2P):3
T(W2R):3
T(REXT):3
T(R2P):3
T(R2W):4
--------------------------------------------------------------

Auto
-||-
128-256Mb
Enabled
Enabled
Disabled
-||-

(Pc Health Status)
Disabled(If you have cooling for lower temp then -0c)

(Genie bios settings)
Disabled
200Mhz t.ex
Auto
x10 t.ex
1/1(Use only 1/1 if you don´t wana kill the bios chip)
1.850v
Auto
1.70v
3.00v-3.30v
Disabled
-||-

---------------------Best os+drivers+Tweaks"more will be added"-----

Os:Win2K
NF2 Drivers:Morpeus Remix Extreme video driverset
Gfx drivers:Cat 3.2"If you have R9800Pro"



"Bios settings info":
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=9


---------------------Link to bios "BETA"---------------------------------------

LANPARTY NFII ULTRA B 2004/1/21 BETA BIOS

http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/betabios/N24LD121.zip

NFII ULTRA INFINITY 2004/1/21 BETA BIOS

http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/betabios/N24ID121.zip

--------------------------------------------------------------------
LANPARTY NFII ULTRA B 2004/1/31 BETA BIOS

http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/betabios/N24LD131.zip

NFII ULTRA INFINITY 2004/1/31 BETA BIOS

http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/betabios/N24ID131.zip

---Links to alpha bios"Try this only if you have money to a new board"--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Use 1-31 or 1-21 bios first....Sett up your best settings..vcore and all another settings...Save it in the bios"bakup settings" . Make @ stock settings and flash to alpha 2-17.D01 . Load saved settings..from 1-31 bios...the board will maybe not post after that..press reset button and the board will post...know you cane change settings in bios "it worked for me but i don´t know if it works for you"

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LANPARTY NFII ULTRA B 2004/2/17 ALPHA BIOS

http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/alpha/N24LD217.b01.zip
http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/alpha/N24LD217.b02.zip

NFII ULTRA INFINITY 2004/2/17 ALPHA BIOS

http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/alpha/N24ID217.b01.zip
http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/oskarwu/dfi/alpha/N24ID217.b02.zip

----------------------------NF2 Drivers-----------------------------------------
http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=Downloads&cid=1&99239

"Morpeus Remix Extreme video driverset"

Are best for me.



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------------------------------MODDS!-------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------V MODDS-----------------------------------------
Vcore modd!

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload6/vcore_modd-disable_dfi_modd.jpg


Vdimm and Vdd modd! , "VAGP,VDIMM,VDD" there cane you see the real v for "VAGP,VDIMM,VDD"

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/vddandvdimmmodds.jpg

Sb Vdd modd!

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/sb_vdd.jpg



vcore drop+vcore overcurrent modds will be added soon.

-----------------------------CAP MODD----------------------------------------

Cap modds..i don´t know if they will help you to get higher fsb..but i use them 24/7 and in max fsb clocks.

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/Capmoddfront.jpg



http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload8/Capmoddback.jpg

----------------------------MOSFETT COOLING AND MORE------------------

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/coolingmosfettsandchips.jpg


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I know my english is not so good but..you get nice info from me so why complain :), I only want to help you to modd this board and more..Info is good :), And help is good :)

If you need help ask me then..maybe i cane help you :)

TheWeaseL
03-16-2004, 03:25 PM
Awesome. Simply. Awesome. :)

saaya
03-16-2004, 03:52 PM
great! :toast:

saaya
03-16-2004, 04:00 PM
do you recommend using the winflash utlity?

shrae
03-16-2004, 04:05 PM
Great stuff!

I can't speak for lastviking, but I personally would not recommend using winflash at all. Every forum I go to, I can find you several threads where users killed their boards using winflash with the alpha or beta bioses.

iceman2g
03-16-2004, 04:10 PM
How do you flash using DOS? I've only done it once and it was on my old Asus board. Can someone give the steps involved.

saaya
03-16-2004, 04:11 PM
i dont have a floppy drive :(

i hate floppies...

gelatinousfury
03-16-2004, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by iceman2g
How do you flash using DOS? I've only done it once and it was on my old Asus board. Can someone give the steps involved.

1. Go get your Win98 boot disk that you have stashed away somewhere. If you never had a Win98 boot disk, you can get it here:

Win98 Boot Disk (http://www.angrygames.com/win98.zip)

2. Download AWDflash.exe and the BIOS you want:

Click here and then click on the blue "flash" link near the top to download AWDflash.exe (http://www.abit-usa.com/downloads/bios/bios_revision.php?categories=1&model=124)

(I know it's an Abit website but the AWDflash program is the same)

3. Copy the AWDflash.exe program and the new BIOS file onto one floppy disk or make 2 seperate disks (One Win98 boot disk and one disk containing AWDflash.exe and the BIOS).

4. Set current BIOS to boot from floppy and use the Win98 boot disk to boot into DOS.

5. At the A:\ prompt type awdflash biosname.bin (Your BIOS file might have a different extension, so change it accordingly........also, if you did the 2 disk method you have to insert your other disk before typing this) and hit enter.

6. After BIOS updating is complete, your system will restart. After it restarts power it down immediately and do the post bios updating procedure outlined below (can never be too cautious lol).

POST BIOS UPDATING PROCEDURE

1. Unplug the power cord to the computer to completely power down

2. clear CMOS jumper for 30 seconds

3. Power computer back up, and immediately go into the BIOS

4. Choose "Load Failsafe Defaults" or "Load Optimized"

5. Save and exit

Immediately after reboot, go back into the BIOS and configure to your liking.


I got this information from the DFI forum over at amdmb.com and thought I'd add it since this might turn into one of those big info-stuffed threads :)

Thanks for posting those settings Lastviking. I just got my new Mach I set up with my new Lanparty last night and I'm about to try overclocking on it for the first time. I've already updated to the 2/17 Alpha BIOS.

sjohnson
03-16-2004, 05:12 PM
For flashing and much, much more get the Ultimate Boot CD at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

It's the Swiss Army knife, mother of all boot CD's :)

Vlad Draculea
03-16-2004, 05:29 PM
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05-15-2004 11:31 PM

iceman2g
03-16-2004, 06:10 PM
This deserves to be a sticky!

saaya
03-16-2004, 06:22 PM
vlad, none of the 30 download links on that site work! wth? :confused:

Confused_User
03-16-2004, 06:34 PM
I find the ALT + F2 method the best to flash bioses. You just stick the bios file on the floppy with awdflash.exe and press ALT + F2 at startup. Then just wait for the bios to flash.

And nice FAQ there Lastviking, I was wondering what all those extra timings were in the alpha bios.

saaya
03-16-2004, 06:35 PM
ok i finally found a server that still has the file, thx vlad!

sjohnson
03-16-2004, 07:07 PM
All the servers on Vlad's link have the file, it's just the referring link that's busted. Poor website design :(

Evil_Spork
03-16-2004, 07:14 PM
yes! thank you LV!! great post man. helps so much!

SPiKE
03-19-2004, 10:15 AM
Great FAQ! ;)

I hope with this guide I'll reach 250MHz of FSB stable.

Lastviking
03-19-2004, 12:35 PM
Uppdated :)

blinky
03-19-2004, 12:43 PM
awesome FAQ dude, i was thinking about doing the capacitor mods like u did on my NF7-S, but i have a question about it, should i just match the capacitance of the caps that are already there, and have caps with voltages of equal or greater than the ones on the board?, is this correct, or should i go for more capacitance

Lastviking
03-19-2004, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by blinky
awesome FAQ dude, i was thinking about doing the capacitor mods like u did on my NF7-S, but i have a question about it, should i just match the capacitance of the caps that are already there, and have caps with voltages of equal or greater than the ones on the board?, is this correct, or should i go for more capacitance

Do like this..put 4700uF there you have 3300uF and use 16v if the caps are 10v or 16v. Use 3300uF if you have 2200uF on the board :)

TheWeaseL
03-19-2004, 01:07 PM
That's so awesome with those caps added on! Makes me wish I could solder.

GazC
03-19-2004, 02:48 PM
This should be stickied for sure, great stuff! :D

muzz
03-19-2004, 03:18 PM
Of course I can ONLY speak for myself when I say I PERSONALLY have flashed over 30X using winflash or Flashmenu without a SINGLE hiccup.
I ALWAYS run the board COMPLETELY stock when getting ready to flash, and my boards are ALWAYS running very stable ( IE: Windows ISN'T acting up).

I was VERY hesitant to run a windows flash program, but as I have stated I am stable and have not had a single problem doing it.....

I figure a stable windows @stock is as good as a floppy that is/may be a corrupt file because of the actual floppy OR drive.
I hate floppies for those reasons......

To each his own, but I wouldn't hesistate to do it again through windows.
My install is stable.
And I WILL.

IFMU
03-19-2004, 05:07 PM
sjohnson wrote on 03-19-2004 04:21 PM:
Hey bud, could we get http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31703 stickied, at least until the excitement over the Infinity and Lan Party dies down.
Done deal. ;)

sjohnson
03-19-2004, 05:22 PM
TY, TY, TY! :D

kommando
03-19-2004, 05:23 PM
Looks good, brb searching for lanaprty mobo to replace abit nf7.

blinky
03-20-2004, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Lastviking
Do like this..put 4700uF there you have 3300uF and use 16v if the caps are 10v or 16v. Use 3300uF if you have 2200uF on the board :) will do, thx man

what about caps that are 1200uF and 16v?

/edit can i go with 2200uF@16v caps or do i need to go higheron the volts

Bad-Religion
03-20-2004, 11:22 PM
i have 512x1 CMX-512-3200C2PT, what my settings should be

my fsb current 166mhz 1:1
T(RC) :confused:
T(RFC) :confused:
Super Bypass :confused:
Sync mode memory bypass :confused:
Data scanvenged Rate :confused:

what settings should i put with 166 mhz and what settings with 200mhz (going to oc'd)

:am:

quarantaine
03-21-2004, 07:03 AM
some great info you gathered there!!

will try some mods when i got the time.

shrae
03-23-2004, 12:05 PM
I love the color-coded "which mosfets/chips do you need to sink" diagrams. Such great work, we really appreciate it.

Only question I have, the CMOS battery is considered a step 2 cooling area? -_-

Lastviking
03-23-2004, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by shrae
I love the color-coded "which mosfets/chips do you need to sink" diagrams. Such great work, we really appreciate it.

Only question I have, the CMOS battery is considered a step 2 cooling area? -_-


Hmmm yes when you overclocking like me you need to cool the battery also..it´s geting so so hot :D

You got a point there ;) lolz

FlyingHamster
03-24-2004, 08:09 PM
hey LV, about these "NF2 Drivers:Morpeus Remix Extreme video drivers".. on this page, is the 2nd link the one I want to get:

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39866

how do they perform to the regular nvidia 3.13 drivers? they are 100% stable on your system right? what service pack should I get for win2k, and are they any other OS tweaks for win2k that u know of??

Bad-Religion
03-25-2004, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Bad-Religion
i have 512x1 CMX-512-3200C2PT, what my settings should be

my fsb current 166mhz 1:1
T(RC) :confused:
T(RFC) :confused:
Super Bypass :confused:
Sync mode memory bypass :confused:
Data scanvenged Rate :confused:

what settings should i put with 166 mhz and what settings with 200mhz (going to oc'd)

:am:

what about me guys?:stick:

answer me plz:toast:

Lastviking
03-25-2004, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Bad-Religion
i have 512x1 CMX-512-3200C2PT, what my settings should be

my fsb current 166mhz 1:1
T(RC) :confused:
T(RFC) :confused:
Super Bypass :confused:
Sync mode memory bypass :confused:
Data scanvenged Rate :confused:

what settings should i put with 166 mhz and what settings with 200mhz (going to oc'd)

:am:


T(RC)13
T(RFC)15
Super Bypass:Don´t change
Sync mode memory bypass:Don´t change
Data scanvenged Rate:Auto

166 and 200fsb

Read faq many times to you get it k :)

afireinside
03-25-2004, 03:38 PM
Awesome guide man you rule! :banana:

Question:
theres 2 different VDD and VDIMM mods. Can I solder to either point?

Confused_User
03-25-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by afireinside
Awesome guide man you rule! :banana:

Question:
theres 2 different VDD and VDIMM mods. Can I solder to either point?

Theres only one vdd mod and one vdimn mod. :stick:

You must have been thinking the 2 voltage measuring point for the vdd and vdimn were different mods. :D

afireinside
03-25-2004, 06:41 PM
Well in his pic which is mod and which is voltage checkpoint?

FlyingHamster
03-25-2004, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
hey LV, about these "NF2 Drivers:Morpeus Remix Extreme video drivers".. on this page, is the 2nd link the one I want to get:

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39866

how do they perform to the regular nvidia 3.13 drivers? they are 100% stable on your system right? what service pack should I get for win2k, and are they any other OS tweaks for win2k that u know of??

anyone know? :(

Asio
03-26-2004, 05:04 AM
Anyone that can tell me how the capmod has inproved the board?

Lastviking
03-26-2004, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by afireinside
Well in his pic which is mod and which is voltage checkpoint?

VDD MODD is vdd modd
VDIMM MODD is vdimm modd

look @ pic one more time or more then you get it.

Flyinghamster:

Read my faq one more time plz if you dont find it read one more time plz....
:stick:

Asio o don´t know.. but it give me some more stability @ higher fsb.

FlyingHamster
03-26-2004, 01:44 PM
found it. lol srry bout that.

::slaps self on head::

what about the service pack? just get the latest? is it SP4?

Poki
03-27-2004, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
found it. lol srry bout that.

::slaps self on head::

what about the service pack? just get the latest? is it SP4?
SP2 is said to be fastest. I found it googling, on a few open http servers that had it backed up.
Or go here WIN2K SP2 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/servicepacks/sp2/sp2lang.asp)

sjohnson
03-27-2004, 08:13 AM
Thanks Poki, I must have been using the wrong keywords in my google searching and have spent HOURS trying to find it on MS own site.

st0nedpenguin
03-28-2004, 05:59 AM
Microsoft's site is just designed not to let you get to the files you want, I have wasted many an hour on there just looking for that one last file. :rolleyes:

sjohnson
03-28-2004, 09:31 AM
Lastviking's Alpha BIOS "how-to" for those with boards that don't cooperate after flashing normally. I know it's around the forums but thought it should go into the sticky thread
2-17 alpha"fix so it works"
I had same problem like you .. but i found a cure for it .. use 1-31 or 1-21 bios first....Set up your best settings..vcore and all other settings...Save it in the bios "backup settings" . Set it to stock settings and flash to alpha 2-17.D01 . Load saved settings..from 1-31 bios...the board will maybe not post after that..press the reset button and the board will post...now you can change settings in bios "it worked for me but i don´t know if it works for you"

The new settings in alpha bios...

Fastest and highest fsb settings...

1
3
3
3
3
3
4

It´s a killer board but it has some bugs in the alpha bios..but it´s only alpha

tioverde
03-28-2004, 02:01 PM
Did anyone have noticed poor write performance in a Raid 0 arrary with the DFI LP NFII UltraB and the Infinity?

I have read about this issue many times and I'm hoping to find a solution.

Pha_Q
03-29-2004, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by tioverde
Did anyone have noticed poor write performance in a Raid 0 arrary with the DFI LP NFII UltraB and the Infinity?

I have read about this issue many times and I'm hoping to find a solution.

OMG YES, my 2 80GB SEAGATE SATA drives in Raid 0 barely outperform my single 120GB WD PATA. i tried different sil sata raid drivers and different nf2 drivers, kinda lamoid.

bigZ
03-30-2004, 05:02 AM
great FAQ... couple of questions though...

I'm looking at fully modding my Infinity

have I got the right list of VRs for the various mods?

vCore - 50k
vDrop - 50k
vSense - 50k
vDD - 100k to use from >65k
vDIMM - 200k (or can I get away with a 100k? if so what would be the lowest voltage I can run?)

vCore overcurrent - can I use fixed resistors? if so what would be the best size to use? I'm looking for about 2.1v vCore if that helps :)

Finally, the cap mod - are they being wired in parallel to the existing caps?

Cheers :D

Asio
03-30-2004, 05:48 AM
I think I'm overlooking something but it just wont come to mind.
My infinity just arived. I formated C:/ for a clean install of winXPpro. I can do this by booting of the cd rom and it installs the files needed to actually begin the windows install. After the pc reboot to do just that i get the message "press buton to boot of cd" so I keep my hand of the keybo and then recieve the message "error while loading os" in dutch (so translation could be a little dif).

Same with only HHD as boot device ...
Its a maxtor hdd contected to the prime IDE. I even try using the IDE cable that came with the board.

texuspete00
03-30-2004, 06:04 AM
I didn't read the whole thread but I do want to first say thanks to lastviking of course, but to back up his suggestion to try different drivers. I am going to give the one he listed a shot but I have been using a lot remixes and they are better. On the Nvidia side only the new drivers have no sound issues for me but performance is better on the older drivers. I guess you could remix them yourself but for the less adventurous, these are a must.

Asio
03-30-2004, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Asio
I think I'm overlooking something but it just wont come to mind.
My infinity just arived. I formated C:/ for a clean install of winXPpro. I can do this by booting of the cd rom and it installs the files needed to actually begin the windows install. After the pc reboot to do just that i get the message "press buton to boot of cd" so I keep my hand of the keybo and then recieve the message "error while loading os" in dutch (so translation could be a little dif).

Same with only HHD as boot device ...
Its a maxtor hdd contected to the prime IDE. I even try using the IDE cable that came with the board.

The problem lied with a setting in the bios. In the same tab as where u set cpu interface to agressife...
Got windows installed but running default now so nothing to brag yet.

xttz
04-01-2004, 03:17 AM
I want to buy LanParty. But i dont know what memorry to put on it? Who can tell me what DDR is a best for LanParty? But except BH-5 & BH-6!! Because its realy hard to find it in Russia!!! LOL

SAE
04-01-2004, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by xttz
I want to buy LanParty. But i dont know what memorry to put on it? Who can tell me what DDR is a best for LanParty? But except BH-5 & BH-6!! Because its realy hard to find it in Russia!!! LOL

Newer batch ch-5 ;)

Sometimes bh-6 are also on budget ram from kingston, twinmos or apacer... try to find these... it should do much better :)

Good luck. :thumbsup:

xttz
04-01-2004, 10:27 AM
OK thanks ;)

SAE
04-01-2004, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by xttz
OK thanks ;)

Never mind :thumbsup:

FlyingHamster
04-01-2004, 11:10 AM
wut do u guys think is better for oc'ing? bh-5 or twinmos pc3700 43B? I have some 43B ram right now but im thinking about getting some bh-5

PS: SAE- your avatar is amazing. can u plz tell me the site where u got that pic lol. :)

SAE
04-01-2004, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
wut do u guys think is better for oc'ing? bh-5 or twinmos pc3700 43B? I have some 43B ram right now but im thinking about getting some bh-5

PS: SAE- your avatar is amazing. can u plz tell me the site where u got that pic lol. :)

BH-5 of course ;)

The 43b thingy is some relabled (ch-5) chips...

P.S. Regarding my avatar... you got pm, but do not be too enthusiastic :(

megatron
04-02-2004, 12:33 PM
Just got an infinity today + IQYHA running 200fsb * 13 with 1.85v vcore. I just checked my Vdimm 2.64v for 2.7v in bios and Vdd was 1.61v for 1.6 in bios. Edit: Opps its actually overvolting by .04v since I was at 2.6v vdimm.

Just out of interest who decided what capacitor values to use in these mods? If u put caps in parallel I believe it total capacitance goes down. Is this what is meant in the diagrams?

Also is it best to use the bios flashing utility winflash included on the cd?

SAE
04-02-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by megatron
If u put caps in parallel I believe it total capacitance goes down. Is this what is meant in the diagrams?

Wrong. Caps in a row decrease total capacity and in parallel increase it... the opposite to resistors :)

megatron
04-02-2004, 12:41 PM
Yeah since u put it that way now I remember. Doh! I agree its the opposite to resistors, and I had that in mind when I wrote the above.

xttz
04-02-2004, 12:45 PM
Im getting Mobile CPU for LanParty!!! And i dont know what is better Duron or Athlon ? So guys what do u think is better? And what speed of CPU i have to buy for better overclocking im thinking about 2.4 or 2.6 but im not shure what is better. ;)

SAE
04-02-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by megatron
Yeah since u put it that way now I remember. Doh! I agree its the opposite to resistors, and I had that in mind when I wrote the above.

That's what I remembered from last semester :D

SAE
04-02-2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by xttz
Im getting Mobile CPU for LanParty!!! And i dont know what is better Duron or Athlon ? So guys what do u think is better? And what speed of CPU i have to buy for better overclocking im thinking about 2.4 or 2.6 but im not shure what is better. ;)

Get the xp ... the mobile barton if possible :) with 512k L2!

vlad
04-03-2004, 05:14 AM
Well this SUCKS:mad: . I killed my Infinity and it was only a week old. Everything was going great. The bios that it came with kinda blew so i flashed it to 1-31 and thats when everything started to take off.
Everything is out of my NF7-S rig so i knew it was all up to par. MK1/ 2400 mobile(2650mhz in nf7-s)/Mushkin LV2 pc3500/Raptor Raid 0/9800pro/425w pcp&c psu & a Modded cheiftec case with outstanding flow. I had it stable @ 9.5x245fsb but when i pushed it to 250fsb it would give random restarts so i desided to back her off & burn in a little more @245 when the bios screen locked up on me, after i hit reset it gave me a black screen & long beeps. then i jumpered the cmos & now nothing but black screen. Ill check everything with one of my other boards but im fairly sure the bios chip is gone. It was starting to look real nice too. I've seen a few talking about hot flashing with a RDA chip. Is it worth the effort or should i just RMA it? Thanks.

edit: I followed the lastvikings tips to the T . Volts incase youre interested were 1.750vcore/1.8vdd/3.3vdimm/ dimm was set to 1:1, so on and so forth. Great sticky i might add.:toast:

megatron
04-03-2004, 07:51 AM
I recommend hotflashing it works, but mind how you extract the bios chip from the socket. I had the proper tool and it was a bugger. The tong doesn't fit in the space provided between the socket and the bios chip in order to allow the tong to go underneath.

I managed to corrupt both bios and bios savior, LOL!:banana: I got it back up and running using my NF7-S v2 outside the case. Now both bios and bios savior are flashed back fine. I obviously felt too secure with the bios savior, my bad.

However I have heard of other people having trouble using the bios extractor tool and this was the case with me. The hook does not go underneath in normal operation of the tool but it will go if u put in only on tong at an angle so it fits underneath. I heard of someone filing it down. I did not get where to file it but after using it - its to make the width of the tip of the implement narrower so the tool can slip between to socket and the bios chip itself.


Vlad how fast did the board go without any mods? What does your board look like with all the places cooled a la Viking's guide?:toast: I can't seem to get 220fsb stable with 3.1 v with BH-5 twinmos, errors in memtest (test 6).

megatron
04-03-2004, 08:00 AM
Used these switches on my NF7-S v2 to flash inifinity bios:
AWDFLASH N24IDB27.BIN /PY /SN /E /F
Used award flash version in the zip file that 1127 comes in.

Asio
04-03-2004, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by megatron

However I have heard of other people having trouble using the bios extractor tool and this was the case with me. The hook does not go underneath in normal operation of the tool but it will go if u put in only on tong at an angle so it fits underneath. I heard of someone filing it down. I did not get where to file it but after using it - its to make the width of the tip of the implement narrower so the tool can slip between to socket and the bios chip itself.

I'm not suprised with this as i removed the bios chip of my old (dead) nf² mobo.
I cracked the socket of the bios chip while removing it.
It should work as only the plastic is cracked and all the wires are still in place. Yet i don't feel like doing this to my infinity.
I'le just be creative and use me nobbie :D

vlad
04-03-2004, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by megatron
Vlad how fast did the board go without any mods? What does your board look like with all the places cooled a la Viking's guide?:toast: I can't seem to get 220fsb stable with 3.1 v with BH-5 twinmos, errors in memtest (test 6).

:doh: What i ment was i followed his bios settings to the T, As far as modds the board is stock. I like to see what i can get out of a board before i modd it. That way i know how good the modd worked. I've had boards that heat sinking everything worked wonders for & others that had only marginal improvement. I dont have a spaire bios chip or the tool, to be honest with you i've never had this problem, Most of the time when ive pushed the bus too far the OS got hosed. Is the bios saver/tool i see for the Nf7 the same? :am: I'd hate to trash my NF7-S chip because i plan to voltmodd it and put back together with my chiller and the only other Nforce board i have is my Epox, but thats my everyday rig & my wife keeps all her lession plans on so thats out of the question. Thanks.

megatron
04-03-2004, 10:53 AM
The bios savior version in the RD1-PMC4 the same as for the NF7-S v2, however I had the epox 8RDA+ rev 1 which was a 2Mb chip and definately not compatable. I hear the Asus can hot flash with this board.

You are not a stupid, I spent quite a time trying to find out that very information. I thought a second hand one I saw (RD1-8X?) fit but I was reading the chart wrong.

vlad
04-03-2004, 11:21 AM
Can you give me a link to where i can find one? The more i think about i'd hate to send it back and chance getting one that wont hit high fsb in its place. ;)

Asio
04-03-2004, 01:21 PM
nevermind.

xttz
04-03-2004, 01:33 PM
Hey SAE what speeed i have to buy for Burton?
How do u think?
Im thinking about 2.4MHz or 2.6MHz maybe u think about some other speed.

SAE
04-03-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by xttz
Hey SAE what speeed i have to buy for Burton?
How do u think?
Im thinking about 2.4MHz or 2.6MHz maybe u think about some other speed.

I would recommend the 2600+ as with that you have better chances to get a great one :)

If you want the 2400+, get the 2400+ with 35W power consumprtion... www.itbutikken.dk has them...

They will both do fine for your purposes IMO ;)

megatron
04-03-2004, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by vlad
Can you give me a link to where i can find one? The more i think about i'd hate to send it back and chance getting one that wont hit high fsb in its place. ;)
http://www.ioss.com.tw/eg/

http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=396

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/Products.ASP?CatID=31&Category=Overclocking

Excalibur in US sells them.

GazC
04-04-2004, 02:13 PM
I just want to bring peoples attention to this thread regarding something I "blundered" across when Vmodding my DFI;

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32868

Could do with some Vmod experts on this one....

megatron
04-04-2004, 07:03 PM
I hope someone with answer this question because I am stuck at 210fsb and also was stuck at suck a disappoing speed on my NF7-S v2. Where can I measure the 3.3v rail and 12v rails (maybe 5v too) on the motherboard. The molex reading reports higher than spec, but I must have a problem somewhere. This speed (210fsb) is achieved with 1.7vdd and 2.8vdimm. I want to measure Vio/3.3v rail. I can chuck 3.3v at the memory and it doesn't help. I got bh-5 and even got it heatsinked up like a gooden with 120mm fan on the memory. The vdimm was 3.35 when maxed but even with this 215fsb is not stable!

I am asking where to measure because of the readings from the winbond hardware monitor. I got a 550w enermax so it should be up to the job if I can verify/mod it.

On the Vdd chip the leg above the Vdd point I have been told should be 5v but mine is 4.13v while my molex are 5.13v can anyone verify this point on their own board plz?

Hell-Fire
04-13-2004, 09:53 PM
I have seen 2 different versions of the Vdd and Vdimm mods for the Infinity.

One says use 200K VR, other says 100K for Vdimm. One says 50k VR and other says 100K sset to 65K VR. for Vdd. I dont care to waste 2 of my 100K VRs if I dont have to. Any clarification would be great.

megatron
04-13-2004, 11:51 PM
It don't like duel channel (so its going back) but I am now at 235fsb 1 * 256Mb with BH-5 2 2 2 2 11 3.1v, and this is just the first setting I tried after testing my 2 * 512Mb mushkin lv2 - good for 225fsb 3.1v 2.5 2 2 2 11, single channel.

FlyingHamster
04-14-2004, 05:08 PM
I apologize if someone already answered this, but why are there two diff downloads for the 2/17 bios for both the LP-B and Infinity? are they different?

Rolle2k
04-14-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
I apologize if someone already answered this, but why are there two diff downloads for the 2/17 bios for both the LP-B and Infinity? are they different?

There are different SIP Tables in the bios, thats the difference..

you should read about it here - http://forums.amdmb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=298355

Confused_User
04-15-2004, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Hell-Fire
I have seen 2 different versions of the Vdd and Vdimm mods for the Infinity.

One says use 200K VR, other says 100K for Vdimm. One says 50k VR and other says 100K sset to 65K VR. for Vdd. I dont care to waste 2 of my 100K VRs if I dont have to. Any clarification would be great.

I used the 200k for my vdimn mod and it works great. Not sure about the vdd mod though.


:toast:

xttz
04-21-2004, 07:54 AM
I killed my LanParty after flashing bios!!! LOL
Im thinking of buying a LanParty or Infinity!!!
But im steeal thinking of LanParty!! ;)

shimmishim
04-24-2004, 03:26 PM
what's the max vcore on this board?

also... can you use a 10k instead of a 50K for the vdd mod?

SAE
04-25-2004, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by shimmishim
what's the max vcore on this board?

also... can you use a 10k instead of a 50K for the vdd mod?

I measured the pot after setting vdd to 2,2V and I had 6,7k...

Highland3r
04-26-2004, 09:09 AM
Finally flashed to 1/21 all hail the bios saviour saved my guts lol!

The file linked to in this sticky didnt wanna flash though, kept :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing up right at the end.... May have bin summit I was doing wrong though....

megatron
04-26-2004, 01:54 PM
AFAIK 1/31 is 1/21 with more options. Its not maxed out with options, it doesn't have .025v increments for vcore even.

FlyingHamster
04-26-2004, 04:53 PM
wut do u guys run your AGP frequency at when overclocked? do u find that there is perhaps a "sweetspot"?

SAE
04-26-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
wut do u guys run your AGP frequency at when overclocked? do u find that there is perhaps a "sweetspot"?

80MHz :D

FlyingHamster
04-27-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by SAE
80MHz :D

thnx SAE. is that safe for air cooling? would that heat up/damage anything?

SAE
04-28-2004, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
thnx SAE. is that safe for air cooling? would that heat up/damage anything?

No, not that I know. You would notice if the card could not take it. The card locks up in windows. But I can go 80MHz totally stable.

It does not matter if it's on air ;)

FlyingHamster
04-28-2004, 01:14 PM
ok, thnx SAE. do u run any PCI cards? do u have any specific disabled in the bios??

SAE
04-28-2004, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
ok, thnx SAE. do u run any PCI cards? do u have any specific disabled in the bios??

I have a pci raid controller :D

Disabled? Whut specific???

FlyingHamster
04-28-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by SAE
I have a pci raid controller :D

Disabled? Whut specific???

I meant to say anyTHING disabled. like do u have usb, firewire, or any of that other stuff disabled for improved performance.

PS- nice avatar. great movie. :D

SAE
04-29-2004, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
I meant to say anyTHING disabled. like do u have usb, firewire, or any of that other stuff disabled for improved performance.

PS- nice avatar. great movie. :D

Yea. Everything not need is disabled. Com1, LPT1, hdd2, sata, fw, usb... but sometimes I enable usb for my joystick ;) (works fine)

TY for avatar. I like it very much, I like them both very much. :D

You can always LYAO watching their films ;)

shimmishim
05-10-2004, 09:30 AM
i apologize for asking this especialy if it's already been answered...

i have an ultra infinity and vdimm mod in place.... i can run my bh-5's at 240 mhz with 2-2-2-11 timings @ 3.35 volts (not the best)... but still with CPC on...

at what point will i have to turn cpc off? i wanna shoot for 260 mhz or possibly 270 with 3.6+ volts.... will i have to turn cpc off and should i change fsb in windows using clockgen or through the bios?

thanks!

SAE
05-10-2004, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by shimmishim
i apologize for asking this especialy if it's already been answered...

i have an ultra infinity and vdimm mod in place.... i can run my bh-5's at 240 mhz with 2-2-2-11 timings @ 3.35 volts (not the best)... but still with CPC on...

at what point will i have to turn cpc off? i wanna shoot for 260 mhz or possibly 270 with 3.6+ volts.... will i have to turn cpc off and should i change fsb in windows using clockgen or through the bios?

thanks!

Hi :cool:

You'll have to urn APIC off for fsbs higher than 260MHz! In most cases high vdimm voltages won't help anyway... heat is the limiting factor. CPC mainly helps double sided dimm users to get higher. Dunno if it does sth for ya.

You should definately cool your mobo well in order to reach high fsbs... :thumbsup:

IamAnoobieCheez
05-10-2004, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by shimmishim
i have an ultra infinity and vdimm mod in place.... i can run my bh-5's at 240 mhz with 2-2-2-11 timings @ 3.35 volts (not the best)... but still with CPC on...

at what point will i have to turn cpc off? i wanna shoot for 260 mhz or possibly 270 with 3.6+ volts.... will i have to turn cpc off and should i change fsb in windows using clockgen or through the bios?thanks!
I wouldn't turn off CPC off to get higher FSBs. The performance drop will be huge. Increasing the FSB to what you've stated isn't going to be enough to gain perfomance by turning off CPC.

http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23998

you'll need around 275~ 280fsb CPC Off to break even at 240fsb CPC On.

Two reasons why that's not recommended:
- Memory will not likely be able to handle it.
- it's not going to be reliable for everyday run.

:)

FlyingHamster
05-10-2004, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by SAE
Everything not need is disabled. Com1, LPT1, hdd2, sata, fw, usb...

quick question SAE, where exactly in the bios is all that stuff (besides usb and fw) like hdd2, sata, com1, etc. thnx...

SAE
05-10-2004, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
quick question SAE, where exactly in the bios is all that stuff (besides usb and fw) like hdd2, sata, com1, etc. thnx...

In the peripherals section in bios... I disabled the second ide channel, then those com ports, sata is in the cpu/fsb menu when U scroll down, under firewire and lan (why do I always forget the exact names, I am so often setting up the bios - nearly every new reboot :rolleyes: )

FlyingHamster
05-10-2004, 01:00 PM
ok, thanks alot. :D

SAE
05-10-2004, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
ok, thanks alot. :D

Never mind. Here to help :D

Lithan
05-10-2004, 01:55 PM
Is there a mod that stabalizes low voltages? Because even running 1.85v I see my vcore dip as low as 1.65vcore at times, and it isn't my PSU.

SAE
05-10-2004, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Lithan
Is there a mod that stabalizes low voltages? Because even running 1.85v I see my vcore dip as low as 1.65vcore at times, and it isn't my PSU.

Afaik there's only the vdrop/overcurrent protection and vcore mods... as well as vdd, sb vdd and vdimm. Try to ubercool your mosfets, that may reduce your drops a little, a fan blowing to them would be of assistance too.

The bios 5/5 (be careful) stabilizes vcore voltages too, but maybe you won't see this in hardware monitor cause the monitoring chips are sometimes cr*p...

FlyingHamster
05-11-2004, 05:55 PM
hey SAE, should i disable "Onboard FDC Controller" in my integrated peripherals? everything else in there including onboard serial port 1, onboard IRDA select, and onboard parallel port are disabled. that sound about right?

in my genie bios settings, where I can disable/enable SATA, above that is "IEEE1394 chip control". can i disable that? and do u have FastWrites enabled in your bios?

SAE
05-12-2004, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
hey SAE, should i disable "Onboard FDC Controller" in my integrated peripherals? everything else in there including onboard serial port 1, onboard IRDA select, and onboard parallel port are disabled. that sound about right?

in my genie bios settings, where I can disable/enable SATA, above that is "IEEE1394 chip control". can i disable that? and do u have FastWrites enabled in your bios?

Fastwrites always off, as they tend to lock my system up in windows or even before.

Genie menu showing sth like sata mode/raid directly at the end of the list (scroll fully down)... this has to be disabled as well. (for me it's to diasble the whole list under the voltage settings in genie menu)

...you can disable floppy controller too. But I dunno what effect it has. Never do that cause I need it to transfer bioses and 3dmark files quickly to my internet rig :D

FlyingHamster
05-12-2004, 04:21 AM
thnx. do u disable the "IEEE1394 chip control" right above the sata/raid option?

SAE
05-12-2004, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
thnx. do u disable the "IEEE1394 chip control" right above the sata/raid option?

Everything in this list ;)

HoMe_CaNiBaL
05-15-2004, 12:42 AM
anyone have the dfi datasheet??? i need that because my 12v is in short circuit with ground!

if u cant give me the datasheet, u can tell me what is chip that controlls the 12v in motherboard?

cumps

GazC
05-16-2004, 07:50 AM
In the light of the turn of events at the Amdmb/DFI forum, I think we should be prepared to kick things into a higher gear here with regards to getting our heads around the DFI sisters and continue to improve them as benching tools.

It would appear that DFI have such poor QA and PR, that they have upset a great deal of people. The resulting backlash of which seems to have put their online support over the edge. I think that the more enlightened (e.g. the people who are members here) may have to continue the level of user support and build on it in the potential absence of any tangiable DFI support.

With the lack of production bioses, the ignorance/apathy of the TW offices we have been pretty much on our own already and the signs are that they are washing their hands of us. So lets continue looking after each other guys. At least the ranting will not find its way here, so it cannot be used as an excuse (not that it would here) for us to turn a blind eye to ourselves.

SAE
05-16-2004, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
In the light of the turn of events at the Amdmb/DFI forum, I think we should be prepared to kick things into a higher gear here with regards to getting our heads around the DFI sisters and continue to improve them as benching tools.

It would appear that DFI have such poor QA and PR, that they have upset a great deal of people. The resulting backlash of which seems to have put their online support over the edge. I think that the more enlightened (e.g. the people who are members here) may have to continue the level of user support and build on it in the potential absence of any tangiable DFI support.

With the lack of production bioses, the ignorance/apathy of the TW offices we have been pretty much on our own already and the signs are that they are washing their hands of us. So lets continue looking after each other guys. At least the ranting will not find its way here, so it cannot be used as an excuse (not that it would here) for us to turn a blind eye to ourselves.

No problem, Gaz. I am really fed up with those rants, unkind and offending speech (swearing)... I feel really sad and understand why AG and RGone act like they do. I hope everything gets fine again, and all those peeps hating dfi (it seems) go away. :D

We stay together, we die together. Bad boys for life ;) :D

GazC
05-16-2004, 08:11 AM
I get the feeling that AG didn't realise what he was getting himself in for. It is clear that Taiwan themselves are not interested in helping us and I can see why that would frustrate AG.

I do not believe that DFI Tw have never seen things like the cold boot issues or the incidents of bios hosing like they claim. That is a whitewash.

But at least we can rely on each other here.

btw, SAE. Stop browsing the forums and go and find 2 more 3Dmarks. :p

SAE
05-16-2004, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I get the feeling that AG didn't realise what he was getting himself in for. It is clear that Taiwan themselves are not interested in helping us and I can see why that would frustrate AG.

I do not believe that DFI Tw have never seen things like the cold boot issues or the incidents of bios hosing like they claim. That is a whitewash.

But at least we can rely on each other here.

btw, SAE. Stop browsing the forums and go and find 2 more 3Dmarks. :p

Yeah. AG is really f***ed...

P.S. I already found more than that, but cpu variation error. Go and watch my thread ;)

FlyingHamster
05-16-2004, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Angry Games
here's my third and final post on this subject.

Clean this forum up. No longer will I accept anything but users/customers seeking help. You want to discuss how crappy DFI is, go find another forum/section or complain to the company offices.

Your :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ing and moaning belongs in an email to DFI.

This forum is for help. Not for you to complain to me about how much you hate DFI.

You dont like DFI, you have three options:

1. ask for help. We (RG and I) will do our best to help you out.

2. sell/return your motherboard and buy something else

3. write or call the DFI offices.

My job is not to filter out all the bs that is going on here. My job and RG's job is to try to help people fix issues.

We do not get paid to listen to your opinions of how crappy you think we or our company is. That is what management gets paid to listen to.

We are DFI techs to try and help customers solve issues.

WHen you plug up a forum with ranting and raving all it does is make it impossible for users to find the help they need.

So here is your final word on this. Police yourselves and clean this place up and use it strictly for what it was intended for, or we (the DFI reps) will vacate it and you will be on your own.

This is exactly what has happened at the Abit section, and all the other sections that have lost their reps. They moved on to a place they had complete control over so they could actually help customers.

That is exactly what is going to happen here if things persist in the manner they are going.

Before you reply back with any rude comments, remember that there are hundreds of users that come to this particular section. Don't bother opening your mouth if its going to be something that ruins it for everyone else. Because it will ruin it for everyone else.

Mods and admins here are not going to police you like you need to be policed. I cannot police you here.

I can choose to move on to a place where I can police you and the content you post.

Its up to you. Make your choice and remember that many many others depend on this forum for help and insight and discussion.


PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. Take it or leave it, it is entirely up to you as a community.

yeah.. he looks pretty pissed off. but he should understand where the ppl are coming from. u will see like at least 2 ppl posting a thread EVERY day there regarding the cold boot or 4 LEDs of death. dfi TW needs to pick it up.. theyre just making us theire guinea pigs.

mad mikee
05-19-2004, 08:55 AM
They Qualify for xtreme methinks and would add yet another dimention to thinks here (mispellings intentional) Should be fun heheheheh....:frag: :bounces: :wierd: :explode:

P.S. Drag Evilous in here too, need someone to help tinker w/ biosi.


(I really have to get my pile of parts together so I can play coherently)

JeffPH
05-22-2004, 05:31 AM
SAE : where can i get dfi beta0505 bios thanks

Confused_User
05-22-2004, 08:00 AM
My DFI contines to amaze me.

Running 240fsb one stick of 512mb CH-5 and 2 sticks of 256mb BH-5. Prime95 stable. 11-2-2-2-2 timings with CPC disabled (havent tried enabled) 3.3v

:toast:

uwackme
05-22-2004, 04:08 PM
Im in the DFI camp just in time for them to stop support? heh

Shiny new Infinity going to be mod'd tommorrow. LPuB already tweaked and screaming.

I give up on ABit, huge investment awaiting a simple bios tweak, fk them.

McAnus
05-23-2004, 05:43 AM
nice mods there Lastviking. there were realy somthing i could use there!

SofaKing
05-27-2004, 02:51 PM
I got the

dfi infinity revA+
2 *256 KHXpc2700 (BH-5)
xp2500m
watercooled and put heatsinks on northbridge/southbridge

The best I can do stable is
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz1.gif
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz2.gif

If this doesn't show here is a link to my stuff
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz1.html


I am not running any special bios as of yet I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as to which one?

Also what do you recommend high FSB or clock speed? Also I can get 240 FSB out of my memory and run for hours, but if I restart my rig it fails to boot... =(
Also I have a cold boot problem, the first power on fails to boot, so turn off and on again and I am solid.

any tips you guys can give me would be awesome and much apprieciated.


ps. I am also having trouble with dual channel, my machine will post but after windows start up splash screen it crashes and restarts.

TO ANSWER THE ?

It is 2*256KHXpc2700 double-sided.

Thank you very much for you help

SAE
05-27-2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by SofaKing
I got the

dfi infinity revA+
2 *256 KHXpc2700 (BH-5)
xp2500m
watercooled and put heatsinks on northbridge/southbridge

The best I can do stable is
http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpz.JPG


I am not running any special bios as of yet I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as to which one?

Also what do you recommend high FSB or clock speed? Also I can get 240 FSB out of my memory and run for hours, but if I restart my rig it fails to boot... =(
Also I have a cold boot problem, the first power on fails to boot, so turn off and on again and I am solid.

any tips you guys can give me would be awesome and much apprieciated.

For best overall stability use 1-21... here: http://www.dfi-street.com/bios.html

Is your KHX single or double sided? And a very special question ;) :

what exactly is the the best you can do stably as the link does not show any pic for me... ? (he edited :D )

P.S. Welcome to the sickness :toast:

SofaKing
05-27-2004, 11:11 PM
responded in previous post thanks SAE

megatron
05-28-2004, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by SofaKing
Also I can get 240 FSB out of my memory and run for hours, but if I restart my rig it fails to boot... =(
Also I have a cold boot problem, the first power on fails to boot, so turn off and on again and I am solid.


Thats the official infinity bios 11/27 for u. It really is a stinker. Any other bios helps the problem (at least they will warm boot from overclocked settings). The latest 4/29 & 5/5 solve the cold boot issue altogether for me but they do have a failure rate when flashing. No one can say which bios suits ur board, u just have to suck it and see.

SofaKing
05-28-2004, 04:50 PM
I got the 1/21 bios flashed and its running sweet, I am still having problems with Dual channel, I have double-sided KHX pc2700 it will post, then boot windows and crashes right away. I am running CPC now with the new bios and I no longer am experiencing cold boot problems.

here is a link to my setup right now

http://www.geocities.com/sofaking1337sauce/cpuz1.html

I haven't yet messed around with anything new except for CPC and trying to get Dual channel to work properly I hope on of you guys gots an answer for me:stick:

Thanks guys

Late

megatron
05-28-2004, 06:33 PM
I would check stability in single channel first, cpc off. Put both sticks in the close set dimm slots (dimm 1 & 2). Then move the middle (dimm 2) stick to the right (dimm 3) and run in dual channel. Find ur max o/c. Then turn cpc on and start at 200fsb and work up. Then when u find ur max o/c with cpc on (in dual channel) decide which gives the best performance: the max fsb with cpc off or cpc on.

If u have trouble with dual channel its the board's fault if u can run nicely in single channel. Double sided ram and cpc enabled can work if you are lucky, but its generally the norm the cpc is off for ds ram. I believe the Kingston ram is double sided even with 256Mb, unlike my twinmos bh-5.

Bad-Religion
05-28-2004, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Lastviking
Gfx drivers:Cat 3.2"If you have R9800Pro"


not really sure about that.. i tried it and i lost about 500 pts in 3dmark01..i was using cat 4.1:)

megatron
05-29-2004, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Bad-Religion
not really sure about that.. i tried it and i lost about 500 pts in 3dmark01..i was using cat 4.1:)
I have seen SAE recommend cat 3.1. A clean install would be the only way to fairly judge since, apparently u lose 1% performance with every driver change.

SAE
05-29-2004, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by megatron
I have seen SAE recommend cat 3.1. A clean install would be the only way to fairly judge since, apparently u lose 1% performance with every driver change.

Yeah. CATs 3.1... those make you loose some frames in nature, but the gains you get in the other tests and the higher graphics clocks make up for it...

I tried 3.2, 3.5, 3.7 and 3.1 were the best.

masterpain
06-03-2004, 03:31 PM
hi. i have serious probs with this issue.

but my biggest problem is, that i am not able to fix it by shutting down apic. the system locks up while starting windows.

or do i have to reinstall win 2k after shutting down apic in the bios?

SAE
06-03-2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by masterpain
hi. i have serious probs with this issue.

but my biggest problem is, that i am not able to fix it by shutting down apic. the system locks up while starting windows.

or do i have to reinstall win 2k after shutting down apic in the bios?

Don't disable it in bios, if you installed windows with that...

Disable it in win2k by going to Systemsteuerung/system/gerätemanager/PC and click on ACPI-Uniprocessor-PC and reinstall its drivers, choose acpi-pc instead... then reboot and you should have apic disabled.

If it does not fix it, you may try to cool your SB better, set vdd to 1.9V and maybe setting pci latency to a higher value (64 or 96... 128) with the help of 8rdavcore - latest beta.

P.S. Welcome to the sickness, my German fellow :D

Kobalt
06-04-2004, 02:22 PM
Hi just wondering if anyone has tried the 4-29 bios. If not, do you know what is changed? hehe 4-29 is my bday :-D

Kant
06-05-2004, 01:45 AM
Hi,

This is my first post here, I've a DFI Ultra Infinity, bios 1/31, running an XP-M@10*250 with 2*256MB Corsair V1.1 11-2-2-2.
But I've no 3D stable @ this fsb, 3dm2k1 returns to desktop :(

My graphic card is a SUMA TI4200SE, prime is good in tt blend, so I do not understand.

What do i have to do ?

Thx

Kobalt
06-05-2004, 07:30 AM
it looks like a vcore issue. Either your chip doesnt have enough vcore, or it cant handle that speed. Or it can be something else, but it is prolly the vcore. Try lowering the multiplier to 9 with the same vcore to see if its the ram or mobo.

uwackme
06-05-2004, 08:03 AM
3D stability issue when the CPU runs prime fine.... AGP access timings. Try dropping memory settings to 11,3,3,3,2.5 at the 250Mhz point and test. Also, at 11,2,2,2,2.0 lower FSB till you reach 3D stability point.

To test, 3Dmark is NOT good enough, you can pass it and still not be stable. Download the Farcry demo....or go buy it... and run that for 1-2 HOURS straight without an error. At that point you are sure of 99.9% stability.

If it runs ok with loose timings 3D at 250Mhz, then you know its the AGP access to memory that is forcing you to back off memory speed a bit. You need to bench and decide which is best... 230Mhz x11 11,2,2,2,2.0 or 250Mhz x10 11,3,3,3,2.5 (just ex: #'s).

We all face the issue of all NForce2 bios's have one set of memory timings, rather than seperate CPU vs AGP access timings.

Obviously your CPU access timings are fine at 250Mhz, but are too fast for the AGP-to-memory path..... join the club.

Kobalt
06-05-2004, 10:28 AM
so what about the 4-29 bios...i cant find any information on it, and before i go through the trouble of flashing, id just like to know whats changed :)

GazC
06-05-2004, 11:47 AM
Mobile CPU recognition, cold boot fixed, compatability for higher latency ram and a random b00rking of the Bios chip were implemented with the 4/29

masterpain
06-07-2004, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Kobalt
so what about the 4-29 bios...i cant find any information on it, and before i go through the trouble of flashing, id just like to know whats changed :)


it works quite fine. i have just tested it.
but i did not gain any extra speed from this bios. :(
and even with this bios it is not possible to run 11-2-2-2-2 for me (testing @ 6-2-2-2-2). and it is no stable to run my khx 3000 bh-5 (2*512mb) in dc @ any clock or voltage. i will test them with memtest 86 if they are still working as they should.
@ sae: do you think a zalman heatsink with a 40mm*40mm is enough for the sb?

uwackme
06-07-2004, 10:07 AM
Im on 505-T6-121. Still DFI and all NForce2 makers need to solve the high FSB 3D stability....BUT... more data points.

Im on single stick testing, my 2x 512M BH5 KHX3000K2/1G will do 230Mhz 11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd;6/15/6/15/6/15 in dual channel max for 3D stability. No dropouts, etc all 100% perfect for a zillion hours straight, memtest#5 prime, 3Dmark, Farcry, etc etc.

Same ram, one stick at a time....250Mhz flawlessly.

BTW I need my toaster-sig, who do I send the snaps too.

In dual channel both sticks do 250Mhz flawlessly until.... 3D, anything having the AGP bus do AGP accesses at 250Mhz dual channel causes failure. All 2D benches, software, etc works like a charm, hours on end but 3D....clunk.

Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.

BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.

Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!

SAE
06-07-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by uwackme
Im on 505-T6-121. Still DFI and all NForce2 makers need to solve the high FSB 3D stability....BUT... more data points.

Im on single stick testing, my 2x 512M BH5 KHX3000K2/1G will do 230Mhz 11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd;6/15/6/15/6/15 in dual channel max for 3D stability. No dropouts, etc all 100% perfect for a zillion hours straight, memtest#5 prime, 3Dmark, Farcry, etc etc.

Same ram, one stick at a time....250Mhz flawlessly.

BTW I need my toaster-sig, who do I send the snaps too.

In dual channel both sticks do 250Mhz flawlessly until.... 3D, anything having the AGP bus do AGP accesses at 250Mhz dual channel causes failure. All 2D benches, software, etc works like a charm, hours on end but 3D....clunk.

Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.

BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.

Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!

Toaster on DFI support forums...

read here and post your screenie showing everything AG wants too see in one screen (no photoshop)...

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21

I assume you have CPC off? How would we be able to change agp stability? OSKAR sometimes reads DFI forums and you maybe could open a thread about that in the OC section there :)

Kant
06-11-2004, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.

BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.

Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!

Yes, it works fine in single channel, thx ;)

Nice MB :
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_oc/00/05/IMG0005385.jpg

SAE
06-11-2004, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Kant
Yes, it works fine in single channel, thx ;)

Nice MB :
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_oc/00/05/IMG0005385.jpg

I could do that pifast 32m stable and 3dstable using dual channel, max timings (incl. CPC) and apic with my old board... (R.I.P.) :(

uwackme
06-11-2004, 06:20 PM
Hi SAE...

Think about the memory controller as a DUAL CPU controller. Your mobile athalon is ONE of the cpus, and your AGP card is the other.

It is a special purpose CPU but it accesses memory just as the Athalon does.

Well, those accesses are governed by timing settings, just like the Athalon accesses. I would "hope" NVidia broke them out as seperate settings, but WE only get access to one set of timings.... which are meant for the CPU, but what exactly gets used for the AGP we dont know.

This is probably something Oskar has already dealt with somewhat, since DFI gets higher 3D stable FSB more easily.

But perhaps he needs to go a little further in the loosening of the AGP stuff so more of us can get 250Mhz 3D stable with tight CPU/memory timings. As it is, we have to back off in general to make the AGP accesses happy. So this is where Oskar can help.

Ultimately give us another page full of memory timings, etc :D

SAE
06-12-2004, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
Hi SAE...

Think about the memory controller as a DUAL CPU controller. Your mobile athalon is ONE of the cpus, and your AGP card is the other.

It is a special purpose CPU but it accesses memory just as the Athalon does.

Well, those accesses are governed by timing settings, just like the Athalon accesses. I would "hope" NVidia broke them out as seperate settings, but WE only get access to one set of timings.... which are meant for the CPU, but what exactly gets used for the AGP we dont know.

This is probably something Oskar has already dealt with somewhat, since DFI gets higher 3D stable FSB more easily.

But perhaps he needs to go a little further in the loosening of the AGP stuff so more of us can get 250Mhz 3D stable with tight CPU/memory timings. As it is, we have to back off in general to make the AGP accesses happy. So this is where Oskar can help.

Ultimately give us another page full of memory timings, etc :D

Hehe. uwackme, pal. I already read your postings about that issue :thumbsup: You seem to know your stuff well :)

But my older board could do 264 3dstable... (at last several times through 3dm01)... without the apic problems I am experiencing now. :(

Those China boards are cr*p IMO... I need a Taiwan one to survive till I can afford an a64 3500 and S939 (630euros atm).

Anyone giving me one... ? :D

Kant
06-12-2004, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by SAE
I could do that pifast 32m stable and 3dstable using dual channel, max timings (incl. CPC) and apic with my old board... (R.I.P.) :(

But you don't have a Ti4200 :toast:

I will try with an hercules 9700pro

uwackme
06-12-2004, 07:23 AM
Yes, I have 2 Taiwan boards here... LP and Inf. Microcenter.com has older stock on these apparently, so you are pretty sure of getting a TW board.... at least in the Cambridge Ma store here.

Believe me, after all the ATI cards that have past through my hands for freinds/family, Im with you on the China QA issue. Some really bad cases of cold-solder joints, etc.

My INF is 3D stable at 235Mhz so far... Ill creep up on it.

I need to get some baby SMD resistors to do the VCore changes, and Im out of 50K (SB vdd) pots, plus I need a 200K to do Vdimm.

I want to do the mods, even if I dont actually turn the pots for increases, at least they will be there if I need them. Im dying to switch over but need to get this running 100% perfect... too much of a pain tearing down the fnished system to mod.

Might even consider getting another 80G HDisk to try a 4X raid0 experiment....peg that PCI bandwidth to the wall :D

I still need Raptors for myself, I luv them on my brothers machine.

SAE
06-12-2004, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Kant
But you don't have a Ti4200 :toast:

I will try with an hercules 9700pro

A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.



Originally posted by uwackme
Yes, I have 2 Taiwan boards here... LP and Inf. Microcenter.com has older stock on these apparently, so you are pretty sure of getting a TW board.... at least in the Cambridge Ma store here.

Believe me, after all the ATI cards that have past through my hands for freinds/family, Im with you on the China QA issue. Some really bad cases of cold-solder joints, etc.

My INF is 3D stable at 235Mhz so far... Ill creep up on it.

I need to get some baby SMD resistors to do the VCore changes, and Im out of 50K (SB vdd) pots, plus I need a 200K to do Vdimm.

I want to do the mods, even if I dont actually turn the pots for increases, at least they will be there if I need them. Im dying to switch over but need to get this running 100% perfect... too much of a pain tearing down the fnished system to mod.

Might even consider getting another 80G HDisk to try a 4X raid0 experiment....peg that PCI bandwidth to the wall :D

I still need Raptors for myself, I luv them on my brothers machine.

Hey. I would order one if I could... but I am in Germany. That's a problem. They don't have any Taiwan boards left here it seems. :(

I need a TW board... my Chinas one does not respond to the sb vdd mod, it lags when vdimm mod is connected and is overall unstable at high clocks... (fsb & cpu) Moreover it corrupts the bios more often.

I am frustrated since I know what I could do on my TW board... :(

Kant
06-12-2004, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by SAE
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.

This is not a problem of power, but of agp timings :slobber:

uwackme
06-12-2004, 08:15 PM
Ugh that sux. Not responding to the SB mod, must be a real dog of a chip. By lags, what do you mean? Sporatic response in 3D?

Ive been gaming a bit with ONE stick of BH5 in at 250Mhz..... no sound or lan troubles at all....AmericasAr,y beats on sound and lan and would drop out quickly before going to the 505-T6-121 bios on the LPuB, the INF didnt get a chance to ride anything but this bios ;-)

Im testing each stick alone, with wide range of drivestrength and slew settings. All is based on:

11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd

250Mhz x10, 1:1, 66Mhz agp, 1.8V agp, 1.7V Vdd, 1.85Vcore, 3.3Vdimm

Takes forever to test each setting. Do you want me to try and track down a TW board?

Lastviking
06-13-2004, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by SAE
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.




Hey. I would order one if I could... but I am in Germany. That's a problem. They don't have any Taiwan boards left here it seems. :(

I need a TW board... my Chinas one does not respond to the sb vdd mod, it lags when vdimm mod is connected and is overall unstable at high clocks... (fsb & cpu) Moreover it corrupts the bios more often.

I am frustrated since I know what I could do on my TW board... :(

Do the sb vdd help you anything on the TW board? And in what then?

SAE
06-13-2004, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
Ugh that sux. Not responding to the SB mod, must be a real dog of a chip. By lags, what do you mean? Sporatic response in 3D?

Ive been gaming a bit with ONE stick of BH5 in at 250Mhz..... no sound or lan troubles at all....AmericasAr,y beats on sound and lan and would drop out quickly before going to the 505-T6-121 bios on the LPuB, the INF didnt get a chance to ride anything but this bios ;-)

Im testing each stick alone, with wide range of drivestrength and slew settings. All is based on:

11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd

250Mhz x10, 1:1, 66Mhz agp, 1.8V agp, 1.7V Vdd, 1.85Vcore, 3.3Vdimm

Takes forever to test each setting. Do you want me to try and track down a TW board?

The lagging I was referring to is like the mouse/the whole system 's not responding for about 2-4seconds when moving the mouse while opening apps or just moing the mouse too fast. It's really annoying :mad: But it only seems to happen when the Vdimm mod is connected. Weird it is.

P.S. Sent you a PM :)



Originally posted by Lastviking
Do the sb vdd help you anything on the TW board? And in what then?

No. I would say never change/mod a running system without problems... :rolleyes: With the TW board it did not help any, with this current China one it's the same :(

I have a 123W TEC on the NB, it's a 15.4V one at 12V and it cools down the board well, hehe. But it also seems to have no effect on the China board. (besides I can run everything at 1.7Vdd ;) )

SAE
06-13-2004, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by masterpain
@ sae: do you think a zalman heatsink with a 40mm*40mm is enough for the sb?

Sorry I have not answered this earlier... just forgotten ;)

Should be enough, but to make sure everything's cool put a small fan there, too :)

uwackme
06-13-2004, 09:30 AM
That is somthing I havent seen yet... mouse jumpies.... I assume a plain PS/2 mouse this was on?

I did actually... and it freaked me out, just as I installed the INF for testing.....turned out to be the wireless mouse battery :D What timing.

On the Vdimm-mod connected thing, perhaps its electrical noise vs the way you are doing it? I use 30ga solid Kynar rework wire for all mod's and keep the length as SHORT as possible, looks to be a 1/2" max length on each run, glue the POT to the cap next to the little square controller chip...which NEEDS a heatsink on it BTW. Position that sink so that the resistor for the mod isnt overlapped. Grab the ground on the "EC54" missing capacitor mounting hole. If the mere presence of the pot in the circuit throws off the stability, I dare say the Vdimm circuit is out of balance at high FSB....maybe near some overvoltprotection point, or just at the edge of the stable operating window of the regulator. IE: there is more to switching regulator stability then just the output voltage.

How is anyone getting 3D stability beyond 230-ish Mhz? Ive got some buttkickin ram here and 230Mhz 2x 512M @3.2V is the best it will do.... though each stick ALONE does 245Mhz with the same specs. Hell of a drop for engaging dual-channel (and 16 more chips load on the control lines).

Nice thing with this latest bios..... 245Mhz signle stick, not a peep of trouble lan/sound/mouse/usb.

When I speak of stability, I mean HOURS of FarCry/AArmy/Everquest in the most demanding circumstances, plus prime stable for HOURS, and memtest test#5 stable for 100+ passes error free before we even both to go to WinXP/2K.

Funny thing, my ram does NOT scale down? 11,3,3,3,2.5 just doesnt wanna yeild any real improvement, where as on my CH5 it used to be good for 5-10Mhz more FSB.

SAE
06-13-2004, 10:55 AM
Yeah. Plain old MS Intellimouse optical on PS2 port...

And the vdimm mod's only interfering with something with the newer bioses... I am at 1-21 now and that seems to be the only one the board likes :( And with that I cannot up the fsb through software... Locks up quickly.

Did you try slot 1 +3 combined. Those were the best slots for my KHX3200, and always put the best stick in slot 3.

BH-5 often does weird thing as it did on my old TW board... at T(RC) 9 T(RFC) 12 is was stable, at higher settings (slower) it wasn't... lowering timings did not gain me sth, too...

I am currently gaming Splintercell 2 at 11.5x255 and it's working well so far. But that's not satifying as it should do much higher clocks stably :(

Lastviking
06-15-2004, 02:28 PM
Some info from me..

Runed a Xp-m 2400(35w , Aqyha "Bad stepping") @9x259Fsb 24/7 without problems (cpu interface:optimal = not losing sound,usb).

changed it for a Xp-m 2400(35w,IQZFA) tried to run 250fsb+ but failed mouse looked and sound with (cpu interface:optimal)

Changed bios to "B505-C18" the looking problem disipered but sometimes the compter crashed... it´s time to test a new one know again.. Tec will help you to raise higher fsb in clockgen but i don´t know 24/7 speed. (Taiwan boards).

The LP board is wierd.. Maybe i try a AN7 and keep the best LP board.. AN7 geeting stronger and stronger..


4-29 bios -> have cas 3 settings = default = bad if you don´t have any cas 3 sticks to change the timing. bh5 cant run cas 3

uwackme
06-15-2004, 09:47 PM
More fiddling around.....240Mhz x10; 2x 512M 3D stable

AGP bus latency 64, AGP controller latency 96

11,2,2,2,2.0,9,12;6,5,6,3,3,5,6;e,e,f,d;6,7,6,7,6, 7

1.85Vcore, 1.8Vagp, 1.8Vdd, 3.3Vdimm

Stick "B" in dimm1, stick "E" in dimm3

Too hot to test higher than 2.4Ghz..... tommorrow.

SAE
06-16-2004, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
More fiddling around.....240Mhz x10; 2x 512M 3D stable

AGP bus latency 64, AGP controller latency 96

11,2,2,2,2.0,9,12;6,5,6,3,3,5,6;e,e,f,d;6,7,6,7,6, 7

1.85Vcore, 1.8Vagp, 1.8Vdd, 3.3Vdimm

Stick "B" in dimm1, stick "E" in dimm3

Too hot to test higher than 2.4Ghz..... tommorrow.

Well done :thumbsup:

That's helluva variety of settings... do you set the AGP things with 8rdavcore? :)

uwackme
06-16-2004, 07:39 AM
Yep, was using 8rdavcore version 0.8.7.

WOuld like to find the AGP bus latency in WPCREDIT so I can do it automatically on startup. I know the AGP controller latency is bus#2dev#0Func#0 offset 0D.

I backed off it though, to default and still stable, so I dont really need it.

I need to research the "6,5,6,3,3,5,6" to find WHICH one(s) were responsible for the boost.... could be very valuable information for Oskar, in tracking down high FSB agp stability.

For cooling, I like the idea of dimm1 and dimm3 better than 2,3. An added bonus.

Anyone know how to set MBM5 up properly for the DFI? seems to not be quite there.

SAE
06-16-2004, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
Yep, was using 8rdavcore version 0.8.7.

WOuld like to find the AGP bus latency in WPCREDIT so I can do it automatically on startup. I know the AGP controller latency is bus#2dev#0Func#0 offset 0D.

I backed off it though, to default and still stable, so I dont really need it.

I need to research the "6,5,6,3,3,5,6" to find WHICH one(s) were responsible for the boost.... could be very valuable information for Oskar, in tracking down high FSB agp stability.

For cooling, I like the idea of dimm1 and dimm3 better than 2,3. An added bonus.

Anyone know how to set MBM5 up properly for the DFI? seems to not be quite there.

I am gonna test those additional timings later :D

And nice info on the AGP bus latency... :thumbsup:

For MBM there's a new file to set the right settings in MBM... if you wanna try. It's from the DFI forums.

uwackme
06-16-2004, 08:37 AM
Its confirmed, I put my brothers machine up, changed to the same settings, runs 240Mhz x10,5 3D stable like a champ....was stuck at 230Mhz previously.

Not sure the AGP thing is needed anylonger, but agp controller latency is 96 in the bios now. Bus is back to default 32.

Maybe Oskar can put both inthe bios menu's...and PCI too ;-)

masterpain
06-16-2004, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
Its confirmed, I put my brothers machine up, changed to the same settings, runs 240Mhz x10,5 3D stable like a champ....was stuck at 230Mhz previously.

Not sure the AGP thing is needed anylonger, but agp controller latency is 96 in the bios now. Bus is back to default 32.

Maybe Oskar can put both inthe bios menu's...and PCI too ;-)

great news!
i have the same problems with my board when the fsb is at >240 mhz fsb. i will check these settings when my corsair pc 433 rev 1.1 arrives. i hope that it is bh-5. :banana:

Lastviking
06-16-2004, 01:39 PM
More info..

B429-121 are rock solid @250fsb+ 24/7 games and more no losing sound,usb.


B505-C18 are not rock solid @<-240fsb 24/7 reboting and more.




Best so fair "B429-121"

Malves
06-16-2004, 01:50 PM
any link for the B429-121?

SAE
06-16-2004, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Malves
any link for the B429-121?

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=321614&page=1&pp=30

...should be there ;)

Malves
06-17-2004, 01:07 PM
No luck! The old 1/31 is still the most stable BIOS for me. Funny thou, I've never had any issues with LAN, etc, etc at high FSB.

SAE
06-17-2004, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Malves
No luck! The old 1/31 is still the most stable BIOS for me. Funny thou, I've never had any issues with LAN, etc, etc at high FSB.

Maybe cause CPC off is not this aggressive... ?! :confused:

Massive
06-19-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by SAE
I am gonna test those additional timings later :D

And nice info on the AGP bus latency... :thumbsup:

For MBM there's a new file to set the right settings in MBM... if you wanna try. It's from the DFI forums.

how to use that ini file for MBM?

ANd what the right setting for AGP latency...

I use DFI LP Rev B with BIOS 1-31 by Oscar Wu...
It kinds a strange...it won't boot on 250Mhz unless I boot it first with the relaks memory timing..and then go to BIOS and change it to tight timing (I use 11-2-2-2-2-"13-15")...anything tigher then the "13-15" make make system won't boot on 250Mhz....

I got questions for u guys also...
My USB 1-2 is not working after I flashed the BIOS with 1-31...I don't realy sure the BIOS is the problem...
Do u have any suggestions on the USB 1-2?...

SAE
06-20-2004, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by Massive
how to use that ini file for MBM?

ANd what the right setting for AGP latency...

I use DFI LP Rev B with BIOS 1-31 by Oscar Wu...
It kinds a strange...it won't boot on 250Mhz unless I boot it first with the relaks memory timing..and then go to BIOS and change it to tight timing (I use 11-2-2-2-2-"13-15")...anything tigher then the "13-15" make make system won't boot on 250Mhz....

I got questions for u guys also...
My USB 1-2 is not working after I flashed the BIOS with 1-31...I don't realy sure the BIOS is the problem...
Do u have any suggestions on the USB 1-2?...

You should open and read it... the upper section of the file is the description of it... :)

AGP latency should be set to 96 to 255... 255 is the fastest, but the AGP could take and hold the bus for a very long period of 255 clock cycles... could also be negative...

Timing-wise DFI NF2 boards are really picky. And each board likes other settings :(

USB (peripherals at all) ain't in a very stable condition with the 1-31 in my experiences. It always drops peripherals very quickly... Use 1-21 to get stable peripherals.

Massive
06-20-2004, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by SAE
You should open and read it... the upper section of the file is the description of it... :)

AGP latency should be set to 96 to 255... 255 is the fastest, but the AGP could take and hold the bus for a very long period of 255 clock cycles... could also be negative...

Timing-wise DFI NF2 boards are really picky. And each board likes other settings :(

USB (peripherals at all) ain't in a very stable condition with the 1-31 in my experiences. It always drops peripherals very quickly... Use 1-21 to get stable peripherals.

I've done for the voltage.INI for the MBM...thanks, I gues I'm not reading it well :)

Ok then....I try 1-21 later...but a lot people saying in this forum that 1-31 would be the best OCing BIOS....will the 1-21 decrease OC or it is vary between board too?

So you're saying that your board could do 11-2-2-2-2-9-12 at 250Mhz?

Jaan
06-20-2004, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Massive ...
So you're saying that your board could do 11-2-2-2-2-9-12 at 250Mhz? [/B]

My board too :) And with CH-5 mem :D @3,3V
taimings: 5-2-2-2-2-9-15-0-0-3-3-0-2-2-e-e-f, CPC on, APIC-on
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/4k.PNG

and just for fun:D Damn, I wont CL1,5...
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/minimal.PNG

SAE
06-21-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by Massive
I've done for the voltage.INI for the MBM...thanks, I gues I'm not reading it well :)

Ok then....I try 1-21 later...but a lot people saying in this forum that 1-31 would be the best OCing BIOS....will the 1-21 decrease OC or it is vary between board too?

So you're saying that your board could do 11-2-2-2-2-9-12 at 250Mhz?

1-21 won't decrease your oc as it's more stable than 1-31. 1-31 uses the 133MHz romsip table for 200MHz. So it's way tighter in chipset timings, but decreases overall stability badly (at least with CPC on)

1-21 has probably a lower max clock in fsb (due to apic), but stability at max is superiour.

My ram did up to 267 11-2-2-2-2.0-9-12 at 3.45V on the good (dead) LP B. 264 was benching stable (at over 3GHz). Best clocks I achieved with multi 12x and 260 fsb though.

Massive
06-21-2004, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by Jaan
My board too :) And with CH-5 mem :D @3,3V
taimings: 5-2-2-2-2-9-15-0-0-3-3-0-2-2-e-e-f, CPC on, APIC-on
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/4k.PNG

and just for fun:D Damn, I wont CL1,5...
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/minimal.PNG

not bad at all for CH5 :) ..but go try for 5-2-2-2-2-9-12...see if it still works :)
I've had my CH5 which can do TRCD 2 too but I trade it with a pair of BH5 chip

I haven't try 1-12 yet...
Yor Mobo dead because of too high FSB or what?

SAE
06-21-2004, 04:48 AM
A mobo cannot die of too high fsb, but of too much modding and reworking :(

uwackme
06-21-2004, 09:26 AM
Ive converted to Infinity.... weird, MBM gets the -5V wrong? I even tried the DFI voltage.ini file, same. Also, does this board measure Vdimm? the "core1" reading is the same as "core0". on Abit it was Vdimm.

Other than that everything is great.

Jaan
06-22-2004, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Massive
not bad at all for CH5 :) ..but go try for 5-2-2-2-2-9-12...see if it still works :) ...

I've tryed- it works, but 9-15 is definitely faster for me.
And 5-2-2-2 is a little bit faster than 11-2-2-2 (in PiFast)
chips:
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/chip3.jpg

SAE
06-22-2004, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Jaan
I've tryed- it works, but 9-15 is definitely faster for me.
And 5-2-2-2 is a little bit faster than 11-2-2-2 (in PiFast)
chips:
http://www.hot.ee/temp5/chip3.jpg

I also noticed that... 5 is faster in pifast, but not as stable at high fsb as 11... I could not even boot into windows at 5-2-2-2-2.0-9-12... at 5-2-2-2-2.0-12-12 I could...

Jaan
06-22-2004, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by SAE
I also noticed that... 5 is faster in pifast, but not as stable at high fsb as 11... I could not even boot into windows at 5-2-2-2-2.0-9-12... at 5-2-2-2-2.0-12-12 I could...

You talking about BH or CH-5 now? :)
And you mean you can boot with 11-2-2-2-2-9-12? and fsb was..?

I've seen 270Mhz in windows@ 5-2-2-2, but it freeze in a minute.
260 is quite stable@ 260Mhz, 5-2-2-2-2-12-15/3,4V screen (http://www.hot.ee/temp5/ch5@260MHz.JPG)

SAE
06-22-2004, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Jaan
You talking about BH or CH-5 now? :)
And you mean you can boot with 11-2-2-2-2-9-12? and fsb was..?

I've seen 270Mhz in windows@ 5-2-2-2, but it freeze in a minute.
260 is quite stable@ 260Mhz, 5-2-2-2-2-12-15/3,4V screen (http://www.hot.ee/temp5/ch5@260MHz.JPG)

My bh-5... I also was in win2k at 270 but with apic off. my later benches were all with apic on and using 8rdavcore to up the clocks as I did not boot higher than APIC would let me into windows. Now you are saying you could get into windows at ...-12-15.
But you said "9"-15 before... at these settings (the first matters) I could not get into windows. My fsb was 264+ benching stable as you can see in my sig ;)

Kant
06-22-2004, 05:41 AM
Hi,

I want to do the Vcore mod, but I don't know exactly what I have to do, I found this :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kant/images/dfi_ultratotalmod.jpg

But this isn't very clear, I want to have min 2.1V stable.

THX

SAE
06-22-2004, 07:41 AM
You just won't get 2.1V stable (minimum) as these boards can give 2.08V stable max... and that's with all the mods.

The vcore mod involves soldering a 47/50k pot between leg 7 and ground. That's it. VSense does nothing. Vdrop stabilizes the voltage at the expense of a lower overall vcore (minimizes drop). OCP increases the current limit through the mosfets to the cpu.

Kant
06-22-2004, 09:31 AM
Oki i think 2.08V with a R404a mach II and my mobile cpu is fine ;)

I tried the vcore mod but it wasn't stable, I think i will try the vdrop.

Thx SAE, you see Nventiv will be repurchased, that's cool for us :D

SAE
06-22-2004, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Kant
Thx SAE, you see Nventiv will be repurchased, that's cool for us :D

I hope so... just a guess from yours??? :)

Kant
06-23-2004, 04:40 AM
It's not sure but here we talk about and that seems to be serious.

Massive
06-23-2004, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by SAE
My bh-5... I also was in win2k at 270 but with apic off.

What APIC got to do with stability?...is it really make system more stable to OC when APIC off...
what to loose for the system if APIC is off all the time?...

SAE
06-23-2004, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Massive
What APIC got to do with stability?...is it really make system more stable to OC when APIC off...
what to loose for the system if APIC is off all the time?...

APIC decreases 3D performance... it gives more stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...

Kant
06-25-2004, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by uwackme
Yep, was using 8rdavcore version 0.8.7.

WOuld like to find the AGP bus latency in WPCREDIT so I can do it automatically on startup. I know the AGP controller latency is bus#2dev#0Func#0 offset 0D.

I backed off it though, to default and still stable, so I dont really need it.

I need to research the "6,5,6,3,3,5,6" to find WHICH one(s) were responsible for the boost.... could be very valuable information for Oskar, in tracking down high FSB agp stability.

For cooling, I like the idea of dimm1 and dimm3 better than 2,3. An added bonus.

Anyone know how to set MBM5 up properly for the DFI? seems to not be quite there.

Yep uwackme, good job.
With my TI4200, I'm always not stable in 3D, the max I can do is the 6 first test in 3dm2k1... I can't pass an entire bench...

Fsb 250Mhz, Vdimm 3.3V, prime for hours, memtest and co are ok, latest bios from DFI (19/6)

I'd like to know how set the extra timings, cause I think they are responsible for the 3D stability, but I'm not able to find the correct timings.

Hope it will be better with my new hercules 9700pro...

FlyingHamster
06-25-2004, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by SAE
APIC decreases 3D performance... it gives more stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...

wait.. u mean when u disable APIC it decreases 3D performance, right?

Massive
06-25-2004, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
wait.. u mean when u disable APIC it decreases 3D performance, right?

I think what he means that when APIC on...3D performance decrease...but it increases stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...

and with APIC off its vice versa....right...CMIIW
:D

SAE
06-25-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Massive
I think what he means that when APIC on...3D performance decrease...but it increases stability with high vcore at high fsb, with raid cards/SATA... USB, sound...

and with APIC off its vice versa....right...CMIIW
:D

No! It's the other way around...

APIC on is fastest but less stable with all peripherals... but APIC enabled gives you a nice boost in 3D performance.

FlyingHamster
06-25-2004, 07:55 PM
can someone clear me up on what wpcredit tweaks u guys were talking about on page 7. are there any good ones I can try that could help out my overclock?

uwackme
06-25-2004, 08:53 PM
I think we were discussing AGP controller latency and AGP bus latency...8rdacore can diddle them..and the bios can diddle one, we were just talking about finding out what the address was for the other.

JeffPH
06-28-2004, 03:47 AM
SAE: what bios are you using? is it safe to flash bios using thumbdrive? hehehe used the out of the box bios and i got to 257FSB 1:1 whats the highest FSB you have seen? thanks for your help

SAE
06-28-2004, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by JeffPH
SAE: what bios are you using? is it safe to flash bios using thumbdrive? hehehe used the out of the box bios and i got to 257FSB 1:1 whats the highest FSB you have seen? thanks for your help

I am using the 5-5 modded by EvilouS atm... I am testing but I have no clue what 's the best one. I am actually sure that everything with the 1-31 romsip is no good for me.

highest stable fsb I have seen is around 260, you never would have a stable 265 or more because of the limitations of the board/chipset... :(

Nice fsb BTW :D

JeffPH
06-28-2004, 04:40 AM
SAE: thanks for the info amma try it too :) any / commands after the awdflash.exe thing? thanks

Massive
06-28-2004, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by SAE
I am using the 5-5 modded by EvilouS atm... I am testing but I have no clue what 's the best one. I am actually sure that everything with the 1-31 romsip is no good for me.

highest stable fsb I have seen is around 260, you never would have a stable 265 or more because of the limitations of the board/chipset... :(

Nice fsb BTW :D

what's the difference between 1-21 and 5-5 Evilous?...

I think 1-31 is no good for me either...always gave instability on FSB 250 using 11-2-2-2-2-9-12...I have to do 11-2-2-2-2-13-15 to make it stable on 3,3v with KHX BH5.

But I haven't try the 1-21 yet :D

Does FSB 265 is save?...will it kill the NB or the mobo???

SAE
06-28-2004, 07:05 AM
I always use Winflash. I had to look up the commands in the file... There are more "timid" ;) users only using awdflash here, ain't it?? :D

You can also try the the Alt-F2 bootup flash... just load bios defaults, then put a floppy with the most recent awdflash.exe and the bios file into your floppy and restart. Immediately press Alt+F2 several times till it starts to read the floppy disk. The flashing procedure should begin.

SAE
06-28-2004, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Massive
what's the difference between 1-21 and 5-5 Evilous?...

I think 1-31 is no good for me either...always gave instability on FSB 250 using 11-2-2-2-2-9-12...I have to do 11-2-2-2-2-13-15 to make it stable on 3,3v with KHX BH5.

But I haven't try the 1-21 yet :D

Does FSB 265 is save?...will it kill the NB or the mobo???

EvilouS' bios allows higher fsb clocks due to better APIC optimizations that followed the 1-21... but it's way more risky to flash any bios newer than the 1-31 (4-29, 5-5), but there are also the new 6-1 and 6-19 to try (6-1 has the 1-31 RS). These should have less cold boot/warm boot issues and allow you to clear cmos without facing a no boot scenario... ;) (4-29, 5-5 did not load acceptable timings for bh-5 modules as default, 4th LED was lit)

Any fsb is safe as long as it's stable and you don't pump 50% higher voltages/currents in your board ;)

Naasar
06-28-2004, 12:38 PM
what points on the infinity can i test for actual vcore voltage with a multimeter? also, 2.1v is the most i want....what would be the fixed resistor value for that?

do i have to do the vsense thing if i just want 2.05 to 2.1v?

GazC
06-28-2004, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Naasar
what points on the infinity can i test for actual vcore voltage with a multimeter? also, 2.1v is the most i want....what would be the fixed resistor value for that?

do i have to do the vsense thing if i just want 2.05 to 2.1v?

I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.

p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.

Naasar
06-28-2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.

p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.

what resistor value did u use?

SAE
06-28-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.

p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.

You can get that stable maybe... but you mustn't have a high fsb at the same time (>245MHz).

Dunno bout the measure points for vcore, unfortunately. But iirc it could be read at the leg of the toroid you connect the vdroop mod to... rightmost choke, upper leg. But I am not 100% sure.

GazC
06-28-2004, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Naasar
what resistor value did u use?

47K variable.

Naasar
06-28-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
47K variable.

kewl man, thanks.

u too S.A.E:toast:

JeffPH
06-28-2004, 03:43 PM
thanks to you guys :)

JeffPH
06-28-2004, 03:51 PM
SAE and other peeps can u verify this check this out is aida buggy ?

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/memleaderboard.php

Check the bandwidth of the first place :)

SAE
06-29-2004, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by JeffPH
SAE and other peeps can u verify this check this out is aida buggy ?

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/memleaderboard.php

Check the bandwidth of the first place :)

Score seems bugged... at least for this low fsb... hmm. I will see. I am also registered there, but I gave up when I saw, there's no option to submit my scores... (no internet on my benching rig, also none in future). But I'll try the bench anyway.

centaur
06-29-2004, 02:51 AM
yeah, that's a little buggy
sometimes the proggy don't update your rig when you submit a new score...... so it can be that you have 4200mb with 230fsb or somethim like that. and it's so easy to "cheat"

on topic: i found out that the Northbrigde don't like high temps. i couldn't find something about this. i put some ice in my water and can go 5mhz higher with the same voltage.

SAE
06-29-2004, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by centaur
yeah, that's a little buggy
sometimes the proggy don't update your rig when you submit a new score...... so it can be that you have 4200mb with 230fsb or somethim like that. and it's so easy to "cheat"

on topic: i found out that the Northbrigde don't like high temps. i couldn't find something about this. i put some ice in my water and can go 5mhz higher with the same voltage.

For most of us (all I know with a LP B here or Infinity) it did not gain us anything supercooling the nb... :confused:

At least no gain in fsb. I could drop the vdd a bit, but that's all. :shrug:

P.S. Do you run with CPC on, max timings and APIC on???

JeffPH
06-29-2004, 04:09 AM
SAE i am still using the stock bios that came with the board :) guess am lucky at 257 1:1 :) does my bios have CPC ? APIC is on while i benched :)

SAE
06-29-2004, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by JeffPH
SAE i am still using the stock bios that came with the board :) guess am lucky at 257 1:1 :) does my bios have CPC ? APIC is on while i benched :)

You have a TW board, I assume... :D

CPC is enabled by default in the shipping bios iirc...

JeffPH
06-29-2004, 04:28 AM
SAE it is a Taiwan board hehehehehe :) got it from singapore 2 months ago hehehe :) should i cahnge bios? will this increase any performance?

SAE
06-29-2004, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by JeffPH
SAE it is a Taiwan board hehehehehe :) got it from singapore 2 months ago hehehe :) should i cahnge bios? will this increase any performance?

Yeah. Could increase performance... try the 6-19 :D

There are the extra timings (7), the AGP latency setting, less boot probs... set AGP latency to 128+ to get better 3d stability/performance. With the additional timings you'd have to experiment... lowest possible for me are 0-0-3-3-0-0-3. But it's not that stable over 250 fsb with cpc/apic on.

JeffPH
06-29-2004, 04:36 AM
thanks a lot SAE hehehe will report back soon :) alt-f2 works with this bios?

SAE
06-29-2004, 04:47 AM
Should work with all bioses with .bin ending together with the awdflash 8.2x... (use newest possible) :)

JeffPH
06-29-2004, 04:49 AM
SAE : mind linking to getting the latest AWD i cant seem to find it in any site thanks

SAE
06-29-2004, 05:11 AM
Here... Award Flash BIOS Utility Ver. 8.24G:

http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/download/bios/Awdflash.exe

JeffPH
06-29-2004, 05:13 AM
Thanks a lot SAE :)

centaur
06-29-2004, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by SAE
For most of us (all I know with a LP B here or Infinity) it did not gain us anything supercooling the nb... :confused:

At least no gain in fsb. I could drop the vdd a bit, but that's all. :shrug:

P.S. Do you run with CPC on, max timings and APIC on???

cpc is on, timings maxed out, and apic is off. i can't find any differences between apic=on/off on my sys. "on" is maybe a little bit slower in the mem-performance but a can't go higher with the fsb
then i cooled down my water with some ice and get 5MHz more. i'm wondering myself

SAE
06-29-2004, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by centaur
cpc is on, timings maxed out, and apic is off. i can't find any differences between apic=on/off on my sys. "on" is maybe a little bit slower in the mem-performance but a can't go higher with the fsb
then i cooled down my water with some ice and get 5MHz more. i'm wondering myself

APIC OFF is much worse in 3d performance in my experience... I just compared 3dmark and Far Cry though...

FlyingHamster
06-29-2004, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by SAE
set AGP latency to 128+ to get better 3d stability/performance.

where is that in the bios SAE? and after I set that to 128+ is there anything else u recommend I set to possibly more stability? wut do u have ur DRAM ratio at, and agp frequency (66,67,68,etc)?

edit: nvm I found it. set it to 128 and testing it now. wonder why its set so low default (like 24 or sumthing)?

SAE
06-29-2004, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
where is that in the bios SAE? and after I set that to 128+ is there anything else u recommend I set to possibly more stability? wut do u have ur DRAM ratio at, and agp frequency (66,67,68,etc)?

edit: nvm I found it. set it to 128 and testing it now. wonder why its set so low default (like 24 or sumthing)?

Dram ratio China board 1:1, TW board Auto (both best options each).

AGP at 75MHz, 80MHz works too. AGP lat at 255, sometimes testing 128 to 255...

Those boards are so ... argh... I cannot recommend anything else for stablility as each board I had liked different settings... arrrr... I hate it ;)

FlyingHamster
06-29-2004, 09:50 AM
thnx. wut does changing my agp latency to 255 do? it seems so much out of proportion compared to the default 24. could I possibly harm any hardware?

and does 75Mhz help with your overclock or increase performance, or both?

SAE
06-29-2004, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
thnx. wut does changing my agp latency to 255 do? it seems so much out of proportion compared to the default 24. could I possibly harm any hardware?

and does 75Mhz help with your overclock or increase performance, or both?

75-80MHz is faster, more stable and just better for me ;)

The default value for AGP contoller latency is 32. It sets the time the AGP controller can own the bus... other devices have to wait. Could be bad for raid controllers/wavetable soundcards. But no harm, just sound errors or worse performance. But you'd notice it. When I was running raid0 I did not have problems...

Naasar
07-05-2004, 05:26 AM
i want to do the vcore mod with this potentiometer. (attached image)

does it make a difference which legs i use on it?

also, having it set to the middle position shouldn't raise my voltages should it?

uwackme
07-05-2004, 09:35 AM
Dont use one turn pots for mods.

use 10-15 turn pots... DIGIKEY.COM is the place to find them.

Think about where you want the knob vs the pins too, based on where you will be mounting the pot..... pick the best orientation from the choices they have.

SAE
07-05-2004, 01:40 PM
Yeah, with these 1-turn buggers you can easily fry something with shaky hands :lol:

HaLDoL
07-06-2004, 04:16 AM
I did the vcore mod pin 7 to ground: I can only reach around 2V benchmark stable (measured at the back of the toroid). Do I need the OVP mod (pin10 to ground) for more? Other suggestions?

And at what resistance does the vdimm begin to increase? I begun at 200K and slowly dropped to 40K. There was no increase in vdimm. Or could it be my mod isn't properly attached?

SAE
07-06-2004, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by HaLDoL
I did the vcore mod pin 7 to ground: I can only reach around 2V benchmark stable (measured at the back of the toroid). Do I need the OVP mod (pin10 to ground) for more? Other suggestions?

And at what resistance does the vdimm begin to increase? I begun at 200K and slowly dropped to 40K. There was no increase in vdimm. Or could it be my mod isn't properly attached?

About Vcore mod:

Vsense does nothing yet... noone was able to figure out how DFI got it to work and how to get around. But maybe the vdrop and the OCP mods would gain you something. Then you also could try to set the vcore to 1.825V in bios, then upping the voltage to 2.06V or so using the pot (pin7).

About the Vdimm:

It seems to be not connected. I get 3.55V at around 100K. Maybe you attached the wire to the wrong side of the resistor? (should be left side of the resistor looking from the IDE connectors)

HaLDoL
07-06-2004, 09:41 AM
OK thanks a bunch :thumbsup: You probably saved me from killing my board
:D

SAE
07-06-2004, 09:56 AM
Thank god, not me :lol: ;)

HaLDoL
07-08-2004, 12:00 PM
I'll really thank God because my vdimm mod was ok but I was measuring on the wrong mosfet. I measuring my 3.3V line (mosfet at the end of the agp).
God knows how many volts I've feeded my RAM. But all is ok now and I can reach 266FSB. Not what I expected but I still have many biosses and bios settings (especially RAM settings) to try out.

Naasar
07-08-2004, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by HaLDoL
I'll really thank God because my vdimm mod was ok but I was measuring on the wrong mosfet. I measuring my 3.3V line (mosfet at the end of the agp).
God knows how many volts I've feeded my RAM. But all is ok now and I can reach 266FSB. Not what I expected but I still have many biosses and bios settings (especially RAM settings) to try out.

whats the one located above the cmos battery then? it never moves from 3.36v?

SAE
07-08-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by HaLDoL
I'll really thank God because my vdimm mod was ok but I was measuring on the wrong mosfet. I measuring my 3.3V line (mosfet at the end of the agp).
God knows how many volts I've feeded my RAM. But all is ok now and I can reach 266FSB. Not what I expected but I still have many biosses and bios settings (especially RAM settings) to try out.

LOL

I can bench up to 268 relatively stable... but everything above that is crappy

Too much vdimm seems to worsen things.

The right mosfet is the left one of the three located below the ram slots. you have to measure the back of it (the plate thingy) pointing north when looking at the board in case :)

Yeah, DFI always have a day form too, you'll probably notice. ;)
And the timings are very time consuming to test...

SAE
07-08-2004, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Naasar
whats the one located above the cmos battery then? it never moves from 3.36v?

Maybe that's supplying some 3.3V devices located in this area (maybe the SATA, and some other chips, realtek maybe)

Naasar
07-08-2004, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by SAE
Maybe that's supplying some 3.3V devices located in this area (maybe the SATA, and some other chips, realtek maybe)

did modding ur tc 550 bring up ur 3.3v line on ur infinity or lp?

and is the mod pretty easy?

SAE
07-08-2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Naasar
did modding ur tc 550 bring up ur 3.3v line on ur infinity or lp?

and is the mod pretty easy?

I modded each line, so the rails go up when I want them to ;)

It's quite easy, but not for unexperienced people.

Link's here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31931


You have to experiment with the rails what's best for ya.

Best of luck, SAE :cool:

Naasar
07-08-2004, 01:49 PM
SAE,

are u cooling your vcore mosfets at all? i am not currently, but the side case fans blow right over them....i dont have them set too high coz of noise of course. if u do, did it help stablize ur voltages at all? dammit i want my toaster sig before its too late...lol

SAE
07-08-2004, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Naasar
SAE,

are u cooling your vcore mosfets at all? i am not currently, but the side case fans blow right over them....i dont have them set too high coz of noise of course. if u do, did it help stablize ur voltages at all? dammit i want my toaster sig before its too late...lol

Yeah, I cool all mosfets as good as possible. Gained me stability :)

That's my current board...

FlyingHamster
07-08-2004, 03:00 PM
SAE, let me know when u wanna sell that board. ;)

Naasar
07-08-2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
SAE, let me know when u wanna sell that board. ;)

i 2nd that Mr.Hamster.....hehe

SAE
07-08-2004, 03:06 PM
:lol:

As soon I can afford an A64 S939 ;)

/edit.

In case I don't kill it till then :D

yotomeczek
07-09-2004, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I managed to get 2.15v stable with a vmod on my Infinity without a vsense mod, but do not take that as Gospel as any hardened DFI abuser will tell you that everysingle board has a personality of its own. I'm not fobbing you off, but you would be best off finding out for yourself what is best for your board and I'm sure others will agree with me.

p.s. I didn't measure the resistance of my vmod at 2.15v as that would have required de-soldering the mod.

Can You show Us screen with prime and Mbm min/max (every 1s probe) with this 2,15V ??

HaLDoL
07-09-2004, 03:00 AM
Sae, the black wire is the vdroop right? Thats pin 10 to the back of the coil? No pots involved? Still haven't seen any good pics of the mod.

SAE
07-09-2004, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by yotomeczek
Can You show Us screen with prime and Mbm min/max (every 1s probe) with this 2,15V ??

:lol:

Don't you think you want a lil too much?? ;)

He already sold his hardware cause he has to concentrate on business primarily from now on :D

SAE
07-09-2004, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by HaLDoL
Sae, the black wire is the vdroop right? Thats pin 10 to the back of the coil? No pots involved? Still haven't seen any good pics of the mod.

Yeah, right. I used a fixed 4.75k resistor. It's right where the hotglue is, soldered to pin7. The hotglue holds the resistor and wire to the board.

yotomeczek
07-09-2004, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by SAE
:lol:

Don't you think you want a lil too much?? ;)

He already sold his hardware cause he has to concentrate on business primarily from now on :D

hehe I don't think so ...
It may by screen with prime and some kind of monitoring software :D
He should have one ...

mad mikee
07-13-2004, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by SAE
:lol:

As soon I can afford an A64 S939 ;)

/edit.

In case I don't kill it till then :D

SAE is giving new meaning to the term 'burn in':D

SAE
07-13-2004, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by mad mikee
SAE is giving new meaning to the term 'burn in':D

Hehe. Don't be this mean ;)

You can comment on my next dead board when it has ... just died :D

HaLDoL
07-15-2004, 01:12 AM
So:

vcore mod: pin7 - 50k var - ground
vsense mod: pin 10 - 50k var - ground
vdroop mod: pin7 - 4.75k fixed - back of toroid coil
ocp mod: replace resistors with higher value fixed ones

and only the vcore and vdroop are usefull. Correct me if I'm wrong.

SAE
07-15-2004, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by HaLDoL
So:

vcore mod: pin7 - 50k var - ground
vsense mod: pin 10 - 50k var - ground
vdroop mod: pin7 - 4.75k fixed - back of toroid coil
ocp mod: replace resistors with higher value fixed ones

and only the vcore and vdroop are usefull. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You got it right... with the mods. But vdroop is pin7 to anything variable as well, so you could test for better results with other values... :) (I used 4.75k fixed)

And about the second statement of yours:

No, only the vsense is NOT nescessary, the other mods gain you something.

GazC
07-15-2004, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by yotomeczek
Can You show Us screen with prime and Mbm min/max (every 1s probe) with this 2,15V ??

I'm sorry I cannot as like SAE said, I've sold that hardware off now as I do not have the time to mess around overclocking like I used to. Is there anything I can help you with, or were you trying to make a point about something?

P.s the only monitoring software I ever used was the Bios, the Winbond monitor, Sandra and my multimeter.

SAE
07-15-2004, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
I'm sorry I cannot as like SAE said, I've sold that hardware off now as I do not have the time to mess around overclocking like I used to. Is there anything I can help you with, or were you trying to make a point about something?

P.s the only monitoring software I ever used was the Bios, the Winbond monitor, Sandra and my multimeter.

He wanted a proof ;)

No trust here... :D