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stealth17
12-23-2004, 07:28 PM
I soldered the wire to the bottom of the leg :) But it's hard to do, for me it just did not wanna stick first. I needed some time to get it right, so don't be impatient ;)

I'd recommend a fixed 4.75k as I use.

all i have here is a 5.6k fixed....will that work out good? whats the advantage of higer or lower and how low is too low?

SAE
12-24-2004, 01:12 AM
I did every fsb oc with this voltage :D

My board does not like lower voltage anymore :( I could run 263 at 3.34V before with other LP B.

@stealth
5.6k is fine. Smaller values result in a smaller drop, but cause the total vcore to droop more. You had to compensate it more through higher vcore at the pin7 vcore mod.

Esox
12-24-2004, 02:59 AM
Merry Xmas everyone :)

SAE
12-24-2004, 04:32 AM
From me, too :D

And burn the candles, not your rig ;) :lol:

ex.treme
12-25-2004, 12:31 PM
Hi .

My config and sets:
Bios original DFI 6/19
XPM 2600 + at 2500mhz over 1,8V, this mobo brutally undervolted, set up 1,8 and in MBM is low value from Prime 95 1,68V :eek:
vcore 1,775v
vdimm 3,3v 11-2-2-2 -auto - cpc off, on is not stable 5-10 min fail Prime
vdd 1,9v
vagp auto
agp mhz auto

And now see the problem :

250x9,5-2375mhz - @1,775v, 1,9 , 3,3v - 112222 13-15-auto cpc off,Prime after 2h blueescreen fail - STOP 0x00000050 PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
(AGP 66 fsb, AGP - defv,Agp latency 128, Apic disabled.

250x9,5-2375mhz - @1,775v, 1,9 , 3,3v - 112222 13-15-auto cpc off,Prime 51 min fail (AGP 66 fsb, AGP - defv,Agp latency 128, Apic enabled.

At the support MS is this bluescreen display drivers or nvidia drivers?

thx for help.

SAE
12-25-2004, 01:35 PM
Try to set your AGP clock to 75MHz, AGP voltage to 1.7V, set TRC to 12 and TRFC to 16. Try to use ram sticks in a different order, and try to put the sticks in slots 1+3 instead of 2+3 or the other way around.

Another important thing not being evident for me is: what size of ram stick do ya own, what brand and what chips!?

ex.treme
12-25-2004, 02:31 PM
I try else install this Morpheus extreme video drivers.

Ram 2x256 mb Twinmos Bh-5 with copper heatsink slot 2+3

Now i test in Prime 95 245x10 the same setting but cpc on, and bluescreen after 45 min. :(

FlyingHamster
12-25-2004, 02:40 PM
try slots 1 + 3, vdd 1.7, vagp 1.7, and vcore at 1.8

Revv23
12-25-2004, 11:07 PM
sounds like maybe its heat?

stealth17
12-26-2004, 01:09 PM
on my LPD, i havnt put sinks on any clockgens or mosfets and the vdd mosfet is 60c and th lil black chip at the end of the agp slot is 60c, if i cool them woul i get better stability? im waiting for my thermal tape in the mail and i dont want to use thermal epoxy because it doesnt come off.

i also got a temp monitor, where do i put it to monitor my cpu temps? thanks

EDIT:listen to this. i started running 245x11=2700 and now i can literally hear my mosfets and clockgens working....its so weird. when i turn prime on it makes a weird noise (not real loud) and when i trun it off it goes away...it is neat! i really need to get this chips cooled though :rolleyes:

im running 2700 at 1.9v :) so far so good. I wanna try to hit 250x11=2750 maybe after i cool these chips and get this vdd some more power i can hit 260xsomething....or more :)

you know what else is weird, after i hit like 2.65, speedfan detected 2 more sensors. who knows.... and one called "remote temp" is the exact temp of my water block. 11c

also, is it bad to disable ACPI? if i want to try it, will it help me? and in wondows XP goto hardware manager and unistall driver for ACPI-Uniproc sys, then reboot and disable APIC in bios and load windows? correct?

SAE
12-28-2004, 06:21 AM
Hmm. It's definitely a wise move to cool the vdd mosfet and the six cpu ones at least.

APIC can be disabled by installing another system device driver in controlpanel... the "ACPI Computer" one exactly. Then reboot, you don't have to disable anything in bios!

stealth17
12-28-2004, 02:26 PM
Hmm. It's definitely a wise move to cool the vdd mosfet and the six cpu ones at least.

APIC can be disabled by installing another system device driver in controlpanel... the "ACPI Computer" one exactly. Then reboot, you don't have to disable anything in bios!

will acpi help at all? or can it hurt in any way?

and which driver do i install in place of the acpi?

SAE
12-28-2004, 03:02 PM
will acpi help at all? or can it hurt in any way?

and which driver do i install in place of the acpi?
What should it help?! Hmm, maybe you can go a lil higher in fsb, maybe also in vcore, but you may lose a lot of 3d performance. Iirc, at least 3dm01 was showing that effect.

I am an APIC user, I never bother switching it off again. I tried it several times with no real success.

stealth17
12-29-2004, 09:30 PM
is it worth it to TEC the NB?

i can hit 260 stable when i set a A/C unit directly infront of my mobo bringing temps down close to 0c....(mobo temps, proc is remotely w/ced) why cant i hit 260 stable without it there? like is it likely the ram or mosfets?

also, SAE do you have an pics of your setup?

ex.treme
12-30-2004, 11:15 AM
I cant boot moore than 255 fsb. DFI Infinity.
1,775V cpu,1,9 vdd, 3,3mem,auto agp, auto bus agp, APIC enabled, ACPI enabled.
integrated ph.- disabled, onboard device control disabled.
Memory settings: Expert, agresive, 52222-13-15-auto,fast,enabled,128mb,enabled,enabled,disabled,d isabled, disabled.

Kobalt
12-30-2004, 01:54 PM
it did have some sign of burn though. the white paste was burned black on the top tip section and bottom tip section

this is on ALL boards. I just got my 2nd infinity today after a 5 month streak with my nf7-s. I immediately applied heatsinks to everything and noticed a black mark on my NB heatsink. maybe its to find out if the user has removed the heatsink? It seems to be just a marker or something because after i washed the nb heatsink with soap + water (instead of using up a whole cloth) the mark was gone

btw this is how i was thinking of cooling the board. Nothing glued on yet. And about the vcore mosfets... If i use the bigger black ones, it will connect two of those chokes (= fry :)) UNLESS i use 1 black heatsink for two mosfets. This isnt that good b/c half of each mosfet is exposed though....

SAE
12-30-2004, 03:11 PM
is it worth it to TEC the NB?

i can hit 260 stable when i set a A/C unit directly infront of my mobo bringing temps down close to 0c....(mobo temps, proc is remotely w/ced) why cant i hit 260 stable without it there? like is it likely the ram or mosfets?

also, SAE do you have an pics of your setup?


I know from the good old nf7 rev 1.0-1.2 days... pelting the nb was really worth it. But now I did not really gain any MHz doing it. It was not worth the trouble infact. IMO the NB ain't the thing profiting from the AC units coldness. It's other components like the mosfets and some other small ics and maybe even the traces that can make use of this icy wind ;) The board gets more stable and reliable. But you have to admit it's no 24/7 solution, huh?! ;)

Pics of my setup??? :D Woooh, you don't really wanna see them... and my mess around here :lol:

stealth17
12-30-2004, 04:41 PM
I know from the good old nf7 rev 1.0-1.2 days... pelting the nb was really worth it. But now I did not really gain any MHz doing it. It was not worth the trouble infact. IMO the NB ain't the thing profiting from the AC units coldness. It's other components like the mosfets and some other small ics and maybe even the traces that can make use of this icy wind ;) The board gets more stable and reliable. But you have to admit it's no 24/7 solution, huh?! ;)

Pics of my setup??? :D Woooh, you don't really wanna see them... and my mess around here :lol:

found out that having com1 enabled makes EVERYTHING really unstable. who knows why. i needed it for my UPS too :shrug:

so should i get a better chip so i dont have to rely so much on the mobo, thus the cool air wount make any difference?

ahh come on, show me some pics :stick:

Revv23
01-01-2005, 11:38 AM
hes got tons of pics in this thread already

SAE
01-01-2005, 12:42 PM
hes got tons of pics in this thread already
That's true, my friend :D

I think I don't have any newer pics...

Revv23
01-01-2005, 01:35 PM
yeah i highly reccommend reading through this thread i spent about an hour doing it, ive picked up tons of usefull information...

stealth17
01-01-2005, 03:05 PM
ive read the whole thing more than once....i know SAE has a few pics but i wanted to see his WHOLE setup...cooling and all. not just like shots of mods and stuff

and why is it that everytime i change the ratio to anything other than 1:1 it is unbootable?

the guys over at extremeoverclocking told me its a bad bios chip and i should RMA the board. it works fine other than that though. i have tried even the stock bios and still does it. i have 3 flashed chips (including the bios saviour) so i can see it being a bad bios chip....maybe im just pulling too much from either the cpu or ram????

Revv23
01-01-2005, 03:51 PM
you dont want to run out of 1:1 anyways, its known to kill bios chips and there isnt much performance difference...

stealth17
01-01-2005, 05:31 PM
you dont want to run out of 1:1 anyways, its known to kill bios chips and there isnt much performance difference...

right but i have seen people run higher fsb just to say they can with a different divider...so its not just my board then? cause like i say the guys over at extremeoverclocking are telling me to RMA the board and its only like a week old...

STEvil
01-01-2005, 05:40 PM
Why would you RMA it?

The problem is probably related to BIOS programming since some boards can run async fine while others cant..

I dont think those guys at extremeoverclocking know much about nF2's.. ;)

stealth17
01-01-2005, 06:19 PM
Why would you RMA it?

The problem is probably related to BIOS programming since some boards can run async fine while others cant..

I dont think those guys at extremeoverclocking know much about nF2's.. ;)

exactly what i told them

i rest my case ;)

FlyingHamster
01-01-2005, 06:31 PM
I dont think those guys at extremeoverclocking know much about nF2's.. ;)

agreed. :D

SAE
01-01-2005, 06:45 PM
The ratios ain't really working as they should on nf2 chipset. It just cannot handle the latency increase and syncronization cycles IMO. Some quirks in chipset, I say ;)

For me there is AUTO, 1:1 and SPD that works for dividers. But be careful with mixed ram sticks... in case you got a 2700 among your sticks it could cause your bioschip to corrupt (as can setting the dividers to anything different from 1:1).

STEvil
01-01-2005, 08:13 PM
I say its all bios issues.. except 1T/2T (possibly).

stealth17
01-01-2005, 11:11 PM
i did a vcore and vdd mod to this board tonight....now i hit 260fsb stable with 3.3vdimm (bios, really 3.4) with 2x256mb bh-6 double sided ram. i cant wait to do a vdimm! and get better cooling so i can make this proc come alive!

hey whats the max i should run my vdd? i saw somewhere in this thread someone was running 2.5 in a nf-7 but how high is the max safe 24/7 and just for testing?

STEvil
01-02-2005, 03:13 AM
I wouldnt run higher than 1.8 for 24/7 probably.

Test the back of your motherboard behind the northbridge to see how hot it gets.. my infinity at stock volts was around 55c.

SAE
01-02-2005, 06:25 AM
I wouldnt run higher than 1.8 for 24/7 probably.

Test the back of your motherboard behind the northbridge to see how hot it gets.. my infinity at stock volts was around 55c.
Hehe. Some of my earlier NF7 were running 2.8V fine :D

I'd recommend 2V as max for average cooling. My NB is lapped and watercooled - 2.2V is my 24/7 option iirc. Maybe 2.15V...

Revv23
01-02-2005, 08:43 AM
my nb is just lapped with a 60mm fan on the stock NBsink, its not really that hot at all with 1.9, but the SB does get a bit toasty... need to find a better sink for it, i think ill pull the nb sink off of my NFS-S2 that my stupid ass bought instead of the nf7-s lol....
higher then 1.9 i dunno because im still looking for pots locally greater then 10k.

stealth17
01-02-2005, 05:14 PM
well i have a swiftech NB cooler supposed to be about the best HSF on the market and this thing barely seems warm at 2.5! i think 2.2 will be a good 24/7 option though dont you?

SAE
01-02-2005, 05:25 PM
well i have a swiftech NB cooler supposed to be about the best HSF on the market and this thing barely seems warm at 2.5! i think 2.2 will be a good 24/7 option though dont you?
Yep :D

STEvil
01-02-2005, 06:03 PM
You guys checking the back of the board? My heatsink never got warm but the back of the board was always hot..

SAE
01-02-2005, 06:40 PM
You guys checking the back of the board? My heatsink never got warm but the back of the board was always hot..
What's getting hot on the back of the NB (an of the GPU too) are several SMCs mounted there. These are sometimes scorching hot. That's normal.

If you are too worried, let it be ;) or just let a fan cool the area :D

P.S. The really dangerous thing with too high vdd were the nf7's vdd mosfets that tend to blow... :p:

stealth17
01-02-2005, 06:53 PM
What's getting hot on the back of the NB (an of the GPU too) are several SMCs mounted there. These are sometimes scorching hot. That's normal.

If you are too worried, let it be ;) or just let a fan cool the area :D

P.S. The really dangerous thing with too high vdd were the nf7's vdd mosfets that tend to blow... :p:

mines barely even warm on the back though even at 2.5. the smcs are barely warm. would the mosfets blow on these boards?

Revv23
01-02-2005, 07:07 PM
^well if they aret burning hot i doubt it.

stealth17
01-02-2005, 07:21 PM
^well if they aret burning hot i doubt it.

yeh i have big heatsink on the vdd mosfet (the one you measure from) and its is real cold now so i think im fine...

SAE
01-02-2005, 07:23 PM
Yep. If you are cooling this bastard well enough, everything will be fine :thumbsup:

STEvil
01-02-2005, 08:07 PM
No, its not the SMC's.. its the same layout as the back of the nF7-s, Shuttle An35n and the two a7n8x's behind the northbridge.

SAE
01-02-2005, 08:36 PM
No, its not the SMC's.. its the same layout as the back of the nF7-s, Shuttle An35n and the two a7n8x's behind the northbridge.
I know the layout is the same :p: There are SMCs positioned in a square getting hot. My NB never got hot. Only warm, even at high vdd and high FSB.

It's been a while when I was aircooling the NB though.

STEvil
01-02-2005, 10:44 PM
ok, to be more blunt then: the area behind the northbridge is hot. The surface mount capacitors which enclose that area in a square are not hot!

SAE
01-03-2005, 04:15 AM
ok, to be more blunt then: the area behind the northbridge is hot. The surface mount capacitors which enclose that area in a square are not hot!
Mine ain't hot, only warm. And that was the case with several boards I had. :confused:

ex.treme
01-03-2005, 10:57 AM
Hi guys. High FSB is a Pandoras Box ( max stable is 235)but i have next problem with a brutal undervolting mb. Infinity Rev A. I set in bios 1,8v and with MbM or CPUZ is 1,7 low value. I have cooling mosfets.

Revv23
01-03-2005, 12:17 PM
do the ocp mod and the vcore mod.

mine does it to the FYI, 2.0v in bios= 1.9-1.95 CPU-Z, it jumps all over the place, i need the droop/ocp/vcore bad, im still working on gathering parts...

SAE
01-03-2005, 01:25 PM
Yeah, the ocp and droop mods can really help you to get a more stable vcore output thus improving overall system stability.

stealth17
01-03-2005, 04:07 PM
Yeah, the ocp and droop mods can really help you to get a more stable vcore output thus improving overall system stability.

on my mm i dont see really any fluctuation, maybe less than .05v so should i still do a droop?

Revv23
01-03-2005, 04:10 PM
.05 isnt too bad its up to you

SAE
01-03-2005, 04:50 PM
Don't trust the software output. It's cr@p produced by cheap parts ;)

I did the mod and immediately noticed better stability. It's up to you what you do, of course :D

stealth17
01-03-2005, 08:02 PM
Don't trust the software output. It's cr@p produced by cheap parts ;)

I did the mod and immediately noticed better stability. It's up to you what you do, of course :D

well thats with a multimeter but the mm only shows .1 increments but its wierd....its in between id say. dont move much at all... ill prolly do it.

hey i put a thermometer next to the cpu die under the waterblock and on the cpu surface as close to the die as i could get. it shows 3c under software...trust the real thermometor?

SAE
01-04-2005, 05:43 AM
well thats with a multimeter but the mm only shows .1 increments but its wierd....its in between id say. dont move much at all... ill prolly do it.

hey i put a thermometer next to the cpu die under the waterblock and on the cpu surface as close to the die as i could get. it shows 3c under software...trust the real thermometor?
In this case the software reading from the ondie diode should be more exact. When putting a thermal sensor NEXT TO the die, it won't be that accurate. The lower temps may be read because of the waterblock spreading the heat reducing the total amount. And there are also several hotspots on die surface that you cannot notice using such a sensor.

ex.treme
01-04-2005, 06:45 AM
Its a crap.
XP-M 2600+ IQYHA 0351 MPMW@200x12,5@1,725v Prime 95 fail after 4h. Cooling SLK 900A with 50 cfm.

2600+ IQYHA 0352 RPMW
200x12 - 2400 - 1,65v cpu 1,7v, 3v, - prime 22 min fail

2600+ IQYHA 0351 MPMW
200x12 - 2400 - 1,65v cpu 1,7v 3v, - prime 45 min fail

stealth17
01-04-2005, 11:16 AM
In this case the software reading from the ondie diode should be more exact. When putting a thermal sensor NEXT TO the die, it won't be that accurate. The lower temps may be read because of the waterblock spreading the heat reducing the total amount. And there are also several hotspots on die surface that you cannot notice using such a sensor.

where should i put it then

Revv23
01-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Its a crap.
XP-M 2600+ IQYHA 0351 MPMW@200x12,5@1,725v Prime 95 fail after 4h. Cooling SLK 900A with 50 cfm.

2600+ IQYHA 0352 RPMW
200x12 - 2400 - 1,65v cpu 1,7v, 3v, - prime 22 min fail

2600+ IQYHA 0351 MPMW
200x12 - 2400 - 1,65v cpu 1,7v 3v, - prime 45 min fail


you are telling me that a 2600 with 1.725 running 2.5ghz is bad? you joking M8? my 45w 2600 needed 1.9v just to get 2500, and it wasnt stable without a house fan blowing on it... hell even my 35w 2400+ needs at least 1.8v to make 2500mhz stable, luckily it has much more headroom with voltage then my 45w chip did... IE 2600mhz @1.85 2800mhz @ 2.0 (havent tried for more yet, stopped to mod board)

SAE
01-04-2005, 04:04 PM
where should i put it then
I have no better idea without worsening cooling performance. Best is the sensor inside... in case it's being readout exactly.

ex.treme
01-04-2005, 05:50 PM
REVV23: The man from which i buy the cpu, was running at 2600mhz@1,6 v with watter, a the second at 2500@1,725. By me sys is crapy cpus. Where is problem? I think mobo, PSu, or round cable.

Revv23
01-04-2005, 05:55 PM
what are your rails? your case well ventilated, my air is as good as decent water until i start cranking volts so maybe your case is just oo hot? it cant be board if your only running 200fsb...

try the hellfire bios?

ex.treme
01-04-2005, 06:10 PM
Now 235x10,5 @1,750. After 45 min Prime fail :-(.
Restart and Prime running now 4 hours. Must go over 24 hours, its my max stable freq. (about 40 h prime stable before 1 week).
Only what i today do, was change position voltage cable and molex.
I"ll try take out the mobo and start. Its something bad. Like voltage problem.
I try N24ID619, Hellfire EG rev3, N24ID121 and anyone. The same problem.
Sometimes run Prime ok, sometimes crash after a few minutes.

Revv23
01-04-2005, 09:59 PM
why not try 200*12.5 with 1.85 vcore?

if you cant get it stable with more vcore then it is your board or something else, but if you can then its the CPU.

ex.treme
01-05-2005, 04:57 AM
BArton Mobile, i dont wanna risk voltage over 1,8 v .

Revv23
01-05-2005, 05:10 AM
ok but my mobile has been running 1.85 for almost 8 months and 2.0v for last couple no problem... but whatever its your hardware...

SAE
01-05-2005, 06:15 AM
Yep, my mobile's running 2.1V for some months now :D

stealth17
01-05-2005, 04:16 PM
taiwan boards better than china?

SAE
01-05-2005, 04:50 PM
taiwan boards better than china?
For me one TW board was better than two China boards ;)

Revv23
01-05-2005, 05:01 PM
Yep, my mobile's running 2.1V for some months now :D


lets not forget the mach 2 :p:

but meh im really not worried about doing 2.1 on air once i get my pots...

(finnaly got a CC and order them minutes ago :) )


:toast:

SAE
01-05-2005, 05:25 PM
lets not forget the mach 2 :p:

but meh im really not worried about doing 2.1 on air once i get my pots...

(finnaly got a CC and order them minutes ago :) )


:toast:
Erm, for most peeps here it does not matter if they're using water or PC :D

They just force 2.1V through their poor lil cpus :lol:

stealth17
01-05-2005, 06:35 PM
how can i tell if my vdroop mod worked?

Revv23
01-05-2005, 06:55 PM
well is your vcore still drooping? if so it probably needs some work

SAE
01-05-2005, 07:21 PM
how can i tell if my vdroop mod worked?
Better stability at high vcore under heavy load. Test it with SuperPi and Pifast :D

ex.treme
01-06-2005, 07:54 AM
And max safety v core with air cooling?

Revv23
01-06-2005, 08:32 AM
like i said, i run 2.0v all the time..

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 09:32 AM
I sinked my infinity today. Its brand new and i havent tested it so i hope its not DOA lol...that would SUCK.

SAE
01-06-2005, 01:04 PM
Good luck on your new pearl, Kobalt :thumbsup:

@ex.treme

Dunno if 2V can be considered safe. Maybe 1.85V... hmm. But finally it's your own decision.

ex.treme
01-06-2005, 02:01 PM
Ok i try first only 1,8 v :)

But next problem. Looks like a DFI is not a final mobo.
Audigy + DFI and sometimes is ok , sometimes the sound is away. N/a.
I run win, and run winamp. Then i started video file with sound and >
http://sweb.cz/EXTREME.OVERCLOCKER/no%20sound.GIF

This is a 240 fsb

Help restart

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 03:17 PM
Yep it works :). Extreme i had the same problem with my audigy and a tv tuner. Its not the DFI, its the audigy. Creative is just known for being horrible...

This board is pretty good; its the second one I have. My only complaint is everything is a very tight fit when installing. When you use the mounting holes, no matter how you position the studs, one of them must rest on two components which is kind of shady. Also, the studs are very close to other components. Also concerning layout, what are the 3-pin connectors doing at the bottom of the motherboard. Its a fricken maze to route my rear fans there.

Otherwise, I am very pleased with this board! It overvolts on the vdimm .06-.07, and the vcore is slightly overvolted. Also, my rails are more stable. On my nf7-s, my 12v never went higher than 11.8, but now it's approximately 12v. Now I just need to install some programs and then I can overclock :). I hit 250 on this ram (bh-5) on an infinity semi-stable, but I have a feeling it was the board and not the memory. I'll keep you guys posted.

TEDY
01-06-2005, 03:32 PM
I sinked my infinity today. Its brand new and i havent tested it so i hope its not DOA lol...that would SUCK.

can you make better pic ?

where did you bought all these sinks and what thermal paste ?

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 04:26 PM
I bought the black heatsinks from a guy on amdmb forums a while ago. I used thermal epoxy to attatch those. The blue and silver heatsinks came with thermal tape so i just used that. I attatched the southbridge with epoxy also. The epoxy is easily removeable; just twist and pull the heatsink a bit, and it will snap off. I just removed a bunch on a nf7 I am no longer using.

I think my psu is holding me back a bit. This cpu has it 2.8ghz stable at 1.95vcore and it will be verified by both MUCHO and FlyingHamster. I cant get 2.7ghz out of it. Right now the 12v is at 11.9x-12.0x...but as soon as i up the vcore to around 1.95, it dips down to 11.7-11.9. I dont know if it can handle an ultra, two raptors, one regular hard drive, one dvd-rw, and 2 pci cards. Antec 480w Truepower

Heres a larger picture...jeeze lol 199.9kb. the max is 200.0

stealth17
01-06-2005, 05:36 PM
I bought the black heatsinks from a guy on amdmb forums a while ago. I used thermal epoxy to attatch those. The blue and silver heatsinks came with thermal tape so i just used that. I attatched the southbridge with epoxy also. The epoxy is easily removeable; just twist and pull the heatsink a bit, and it will snap off. I just removed a bunch on a nf7 I am no longer using.

I think my psu is holding me back a bit. This cpu has it 2.8ghz stable at 1.95vcore and it will be verified by both MUCHO and FlyingHamster. I cant get 2.7ghz out of it. Right now the 12v is at 11.9x-12.0x...but as soon as i up the vcore to around 1.95, it dips down to 11.7-11.9. I dont know if it can handle an ultra, two raptors, one regular hard drive, one dvd-rw, and 2 pci cards. Antec 480w Truepower

Heres a larger picture...jeeze lol 199.9kb. the max is 200.0

be careful of the blue heatsink in between the 2 black ones by the dimms. it may be very close to a few SMD's and its will short them out and kill your board. happened to me :( :(

Revv23
01-06-2005, 06:25 PM
1.85 is a definite safe option, even anandtech has clainmed this.

on a side note, i was practicing my soldering today and i jut realized how hard this ocp mod will be, any tips for getting this right?

also i just got a ton of caps off of this NF7-S2 i had, as well as a few chokes, any way to test them?


edit - ex.treme use onboard soundstorm, sounds better then audigy anyways.

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 06:42 PM
Audigy sounds better than soundstorm...i have both.

What bios should i use? Im having problems with lan and usb dropping out at 220mhz with the 6/19 bios...

I remember the 12-10 worked great for me last time.

SAE
01-06-2005, 07:14 PM
I'd recommed either Merlin's 0.5 E4 Taipan or Hellfire's rev3.

I further recommend to use the Gigabit LAN cause it's really stable, even at high fsbs. I am able to use it up to 255-259MHz. :D

Cool the SB actively, the cooler it is, the fewer these drops and sound distortion are.

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 07:16 PM
The gigabit lan? Isnt that just the onboard lan? im using that...

The sb cooler isnt being cooled actively, but it has the big nb heatsink epoxed on it with a bit of airflow from my intake fans and 6800 ultra. I will put a fan on it brb :)

SAE you gotta help me get this board up real nice :). I was 250fsb out of it...this ram can do it, cause its done it before.

edit: fan blowing on southbridge...i think the northbridge would benifit from a fan also. i will have to find a way to zip tie it so it doenst vibrate all over my vidcard

Revv23
01-06-2005, 07:22 PM
Audigy sounds better than soundstorm...i have both.

What bios should i use? Im having problems with lan and usb dropping out at 220mhz with the 6/19 bios...

I remember the 12-10 worked great for me last time.


i also have both and strongly disagree.

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 07:31 PM
Really Revv23? I do not doubt your opinion. Lets try to figure some things out and lets not get this into a heated debate....

That said...What kind of speakers do you have? I have sennheiser hd280 pros (100usd) and i noticed a lot smoother bass and overall better sound the moment I switched.

Im at 225 fsb now. Wouldnt boot, untill i changed the Tdoe and TRRP stuff. The keyboard keeps lagging every 20 seconds though...even with a SB active cooler. It feels luke warm. BRB...3dmark time

Revv23
01-06-2005, 08:48 PM
i have two klipsh KG5.1's ($1300 at time of purchase- got as a hand me down, rated at 110w per speaker) paired with a harmon/kardon 120wx2 stereo reciever(HK 3480 - $350)


anyways, the audgiy is close but not even with soundstorm imo, whilst the audigy two sounds better, but its not worth the price increase to me.

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 10:14 PM
Ahh... thats it. You're talking about audigy 1. I'm talking about Audigy 2. I notice the difference between the two. The only reason I got the card was because it was a Audigy 2 ZS for 50$ AR and I'll need a soundcard when I go A64

Nice speakers btw. I have JBL scs160si speakers with a yamaha ht4-5470. It was 400 bucks at black friday.

Revv23
01-06-2005, 10:16 PM
ahh audigy 2, that would explain it lol...

and damn, i really love your reciever, i drooled over it for about a month before i decided to get the H/k for less money, still really happy with it though,

Kobalt
01-06-2005, 10:50 PM
haha your reciever cost 50$ less than my reciever and speakers. I love black friday even though waking up at 1am sucks ass

SAE
01-07-2005, 06:23 AM
Sorry guys, but I just realized you have an Infinity, don't ya??? :D

So no GB LAN for ya ;) But it works way better than the nvidia and my external realtek variants...

ex.treme
01-07-2005, 11:18 AM
Here is my heatsink.

SAE
01-07-2005, 12:19 PM
Here is my heatsink.
What's these circular things attached to your ram sinks?? (great ones btw, where did ya get those?, diy???)

Kobalt
01-07-2005, 12:23 PM
heres my current fan setup. The one cooling the southbridge is hanging which is cool cause it makes little noise :). The one cooling the ram and northbridge is resting on my videocard. SAE - Hellfires site is down so i cant find the bios file at dfi-street. All i get is links to his site. No mirrors...

SAE
01-07-2005, 12:42 PM
heres my current fan setup. The one cooling the southbridge is hanging which is cool cause it makes little noise :). The one cooling the ram and northbridge is resting on my videocard. SAE - Hellfires site is down so i cant find the bios file at dfi-street. All i get is links to his site. No mirrors...
What bios do ya need? I only have the LP versions, but I have several of them, and they work without hiccoughs on Infinity boards, too.

PM me your email address...

ex.treme
01-07-2005, 10:07 PM
SAE: Its cirle for the key :-), cut in the middle. Than working like a clip.
And heatsinks are my suggest. Full Cu, 1x piece 200 g weight.

Kobalt:Audigy problem> Only restart help you or anything better?
Interesting, that i running 4 month without audio problems.
Now, when i tested any bios and higher fsb have this problem.

One thing for everyone.
Are you using the isolating pad under screw for fixed mobo?

SAE
01-08-2005, 08:11 AM
Ah. I see. Key rings... ;)

Pad under mobo screws??? No, I never used those. I think it's an ancient relict from 386 days ;)

stealth17
01-09-2005, 03:39 PM
should i try a 4.7k resistor because i havent seen any difference with a 5.5k....

why is it that too high of vcore makes me unstable? temps 22c

and i cant get 245*11 prime stable with any array of voltages...should i try a different bios? im on merlins 6-19 now with LPB thanks

SAE
01-09-2005, 03:44 PM
should i try a 4.7k resistor because i havent seen any difference with a 5.5k....

why is it that too high of vcore makes me unstable? temps 22c

and i cant get 245*11 prime stable with any array of voltages...should i try a different bios? im on merlins 6-19 now with LPB thanks
The smaller the resistor, the smaller the droop (you are referring to the vdroop, aren't ya) ... But you have to compensate through pin7 vcore mod.

Higher Vcore -> more unstable... yep, you have to have real good mosfet cooling with a strong fan pointing to the area... I even have some small-but effective copper sinks on the mosfet's driver ics!

Did you also do the ocp mod? That's strongly recommended. Otherwise you'd have instability still although you did the droop mod.

stealth17
01-09-2005, 03:46 PM
The smaller the resistor, the smaller the droop (you are referring to the vdroop, aren't ya) ... But you have to compensate through pin7 vcore mod.

Higher Vcore -> more unstable... yep, you have to have real good mosfet cooling with a strong fan pointing to the area... I even have some small-but effective copper sinks on the mosfet's driver ics!

Did you also do the ocp mod? That's strongly recommended. Otherwise you'd have instability still although you did the droop mod.

yes vdroop....ocp? why though i can hit higher than 2.1v

SAE
01-09-2005, 03:56 PM
yes vdroop....ocp? why though i can hit higher than 2.1v
OCP enables more current to "flow through" the mosfets... to get to the cpu. That definitely has nothing to do with the over voltage protection.

I could do 2.24V for benching, and was able to use 2.15V for 24/7. Good cooling recommended ;)

stealth17
01-09-2005, 04:00 PM
OCP enables more current to "flow through" the mosfets... to get to the cpu. That definitely has nothing to do with the over voltage protection.

I could do 2.24V for benching, and was able to use 2.15V for 24/7. Good cooling recommended ;)

so over 1.925 could be unstable because i need ocp mod?

heres some pics of my cooling. you can see the 80mm fan blowing on the mosfets and the vdd mosfet hs and the vdimm hs and the vcore hs.

i also cooled that lil black chip on the end of the agp slot and the sb vdd. anything else ganna gain me stablilty with cooling? nothing around the cpu socket is cooled really and i could really find any other hot chips too cool...

thanks

SAE
01-09-2005, 04:39 PM
Hey stealth...

Watch this for cooling ;)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14192

There's the vdd mod missing though... but it's there now :D

stealth17
01-09-2005, 05:21 PM
Hey stealth...

Watch this for cooling ;)

There's the vdd mod missing though... but it's there now :D

i really dont think its cooling though for me...none of my chips are running above 36c my mosfets are running 31.5 and my sb vdd is 30.5

ics are all pretty cool too

i have 80mm's just laying all over this thing :p:

so should i try that OCP then? fixed or variable of what size?

thanks

EDIT: why is it that everytime i try to flash to evoluses (sp?) bios it fails? ive tryed bot 5-5 and 4-19 and they lock in awdflash and in winflash i just reboot to the 4th LED on and the rest off....

same problem with oscarwu's work...havent had any of his work or any of evolus's work...bad board?

sjohnson
01-09-2005, 06:46 PM
Anyone hosting Hellfire #3? I've "lost" my BIOS collection for the DFI's and hellfire.enclavenet is 404 for me.

Revv23
01-09-2005, 07:05 PM
haha your reciever cost 50$ less than my reciever and speakers. I love black friday even though waking up at 1am sucks ass


bah read the model # wrong, i was thinking of a nice yamaha 110x2 reciever that pretty much kills every other stereo reciever near its price.

Kobalt
01-09-2005, 10:55 PM
Anyone hosting Hellfire #3? I've "lost" my BIOS collection for the DFI's and hellfire.enclavenet is 404 for me.


i found a link for it by searching on dfi-street, but then again flashing it killed my bios :). back to the nf7....

taco_fox
01-10-2005, 12:16 AM
Anyone hosting Hellfire #3? I've "lost" my BIOS collection for the DFI's and hellfire.enclavenet is 404 for me.
I'm pretty sure this is it
http://www.tacofox.net/temp/N24ID619-3EG-REV3.BIN

SAE
01-10-2005, 04:49 AM
i really dont think its cooling though for me...none of my chips are running above 36c my mosfets are running 31.5 and my sb vdd is 30.5

ics are all pretty cool too

i have 80mm's just laying all over this thing :p:

so should i try that OCP then? fixed or variable of what size?

thanks

EDIT: why is it that everytime i try to flash to evoluses (sp?) bios it fails? ive tryed bot 5-5 and 4-19 and they lock in awdflash and in winflash i just reboot to the 4th LED on and the rest off....

same problem with oscarwu's work...havent had any of his work or any of evolus's work...bad board?


Mate, the sb vdd gave me nothing but problems. As it did for LORD. I don't recommend it.

Did ya see the smaller sinks between all those bigger ones on my board!? These are attached to the driver ICs that can get scorching hot. Cooling those may help some, I did not try without ocp though.

OCP is done replacing the smds through other smds or ordinary fixed metal film resistors. The resistors onboard are 2.2k, I'd say 3.3k to 4.7k should do you good ;)

The problem with the original 5-5 was, it could not stand a cmos clear with bh-5 inserted. You had to take it out replacing it with some stuff able to do cas3.

sjohnson
01-10-2005, 05:17 AM
@ Kobalt, dfi-street links point back to hellfire.enclavenet. Hopefully the downage is temporary. Spare BIOS is critical for flashing, glad I have an extra chip.

@ taco_fox, I'll try that link. My CD with nearly all the BIOS' got stepped on and broken. Thanks!

Revv23
01-10-2005, 05:56 AM
got my pots in today, tommorow will be interesting :)


btw digikey is awesome, 3 day delivery on a 6 day shipping polocy.

stealth17
01-10-2005, 11:49 AM
Mate, the sb vdd gave me nothing but problems. As it did for LORD. I don't recommend it.

Did ya see the smaller sinks between all those bigger ones on my board!? These are attached to the driver ICs that can get scorching hot. Cooling those may help some, I did not try without ocp though.

OCP is done replacing the smds through other smds or ordinary fixed metal film resistors. The resistors onboard are 2.2k, I'd say 3.3k to 4.7k should do you good ;)

The problem with the original 5-5 was, it could not stand a cmos clear with bh-5 inserted. You had to take it out replacing it with some stuff able to do cas3.

sbvdd mod you talking about? i was talking about cooling it...i dont want to do the mod unless i have to...

yeh those little ICs are cool as of now...maybe afer OCP they will be hot... ill sink em up :)

higher or lower value better fixed resistor? or just either will do the same?

oh...well i dont have anything but bh-6 and it wount do cas 3 so i guess i can use 5-5?

SAE
01-10-2005, 12:25 PM
sbvdd mod you talking about? i was talking about cooling it...i dont want to do the mod unless i have to...

yeh those little ICs are cool as of now...maybe afer OCP they will be hot... ill sink em up :)

higher or lower value better fixed resistor? or just either will do the same?

oh...well i dont have anything but bh-6 and it wount do cas 3 so i guess i can use 5-5?


Yep, been talking about SB vdd mod, as I thought you also did...

Lower value=lower droop, but it gets more dangerous. The closer you come to 0 ohms the more danger there is. It can damage your board's circuits (mosfets, ics and so on) heavily. So don't let it get 0 ohms!

It's equal if you're using fixed or pot for droop, but you should just change its value in off-mode (no power I mean ;) ).

BH-6 acts equal as BH-5 cause it's the same die. So don't experiment with 5-5 unless you've got some cas3-capable ram like samsung, hynix, Infineon etc.

Revv23
01-10-2005, 12:42 PM
so i want max resistance on these things before i do the mods right?

trodas
01-10-2005, 01:07 PM
I just readed whole this thread. I have some comments and few simple questions ;)

SAE - more pics of your setup won't hurt, so far I see only 3x posted the mobo shoot ;) BTW, most of your cooper heatsinks have got find very close to be any effective - unless there is a VERY strong CFM trought them ;) Im somewhat disapointed that such badly cooled mobo could get so high, you are extremly lucky ;)


Most of the unstability many users getting when using prime95 torture test is obviously related to overheating of the mosfets and nothing else ;)

Will be OCP mod necessary to me, when I plan reaching 225x12 - 2700Mhz with 1.850Vcore? (it works for me, but just for about 40min of 100% load, then it hang - cooling need, I have fanless case)

I planing (to my machine remain SILENT) watercool my mosfets, like this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49991
...anyone tried it already before? Results? Comments?

I would also cool the vdimm mosfets, as for 225Mhz 2-2-2-11 my Mushkin Hi-Perf rams insist on no more that 3.2V and they are 2x512, so... :( I need, tough, some measurments, so maybe someone can help me, especially with dead board or when just modding it? :rolleyes: More infos there:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49991

And finally, pictures of my machine is available there:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/galerie.php?p=wc&od=64&do=128&c=8&d=1&v=v2 (3 pages of them)
...and from misc. experiments there:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/galerie.php?p=badthingshappens&d=1&v=v2
...as well as there are plenty links and infos in my sig config link ;)

My "overclocking" is not worth mention. I run at 200x13 1.800Vcore AXP-M 2600+ right now and it's stable for about 4-6h of 100% load, then it freeze no matter that big heatsinks on the CPU mosfets and even not much helping the heatpipe I stick to the heatsink, as you can see on my pictures ;)

225Mhz always before five my strange troubles. Even the machine is prime95 stable, using keyboard cause strange clicks in audio sometimes, when machine are under heawy load. (folding + 20IE windows + winapm + realplayer plaing clip + typing on keaboard = clicks in audio) Using SBAudigy2zs. It was never resolved ever, I hijacked thread about it on DFI forum, where even guys like tictac, hellfire, unwackme and SAE contributed, but never any of the suggested tweaks (AGP bus/controler latency, PCI latency, P2P-EXT, CPU disconnect, additional grouding of SBAudigy2zs and such) helped me. I still believe that I make it working when I adequately cool the dimms + SB.
Ideas and sugestions and comments always welcome ;)

I keep ou guys posted, when I was able to move on with the heasting for dimm mosfets (+ their voltage regulator + SB) ;)

But now - in all the whole tread I missing 2 thing.
1) link for a L12 mod ;)
2) battery trick to get up to 4.3V dimm voltage w/o any mod
...this one was presented by RaydenX on OCW forum. Basicaly when you set any voltage for rams in bios W/O the battery being in mobo (ten restart and power off + get the battery back to mobo, power on and...), the resulting voltage is +1V ;) :D Use it with extreme care, tough. RaydenX got it working stable for 2.6 - 3.6V and 260Mhz. 2x256MB only, tough...
When you se the voltage in bios again with the battery present, it will get to the normal value. In bios it of course always show 2.6V (for example), but deliver 3.6V, when set w/o battery.

And at least but not least of me in this thread - anyone tried the new beta bios from DFI? It is directly targeted to 200Mhz FSB CPUs:
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/N24LDB24.exe
DFI ""beta bios"" for 200 default buss cpus...
IMPORTANT NOTICE :
The BIOS and Drivers in this section are still under evaluation. Please be advised that warranty will be voided for any damages caused by these BIOS/Drivers on your system and DFI is not liable for such damages. If you are looking for the latest released BIOS/Drivers, please visit our DOWNLOAD site to obtain the latest BIOS/Drivers. :stick:

SAE
01-10-2005, 01:33 PM
so i want max resistance on these things before i do the mods right?
Yep, when using pots, of course :D

I used a fixed 4.75k for vdroop, and 4 5.15k smds for ocp ;)

@trodas

trodas, my man :D You are posting more a man can read :lol: I have to go for a break before I finish reading.

P.S. Cooling is great, I have an 80mm fan there pointing to this area, and it's warm at 2.24V. Just try that voltage, and tell me, my cooling's bad ;) :p:

P.P.S. I had three boards modded the same way like my current one... every single one could get these 2.24V.

Revv23
01-10-2005, 01:53 PM
@trodas, that seems a TON of overkill if you only want 225mhz, my board did that stock.

at SAE, thanks, i have some 3.3k resistors for the OCP/Vdroop, but im very worried about my soldering skill (getting the SMD's of, and the fat legged resistors onto that spot without much room to work with...) any tips before i kill my infinity? :shrug:

can i use leads on the OCP mod? as that would probably make things easier, also, how much did the Vagp mod do? i just got my NB-1 northy cooler in so Vdd is getting it and my iron is heating up for the vdimm now, but im wondering if Vagp is worth the work...

Revv23
01-10-2005, 03:16 PM
ok so just finished the vdimm mod, not to hard only i accidentally took off the smd that you have to solder too, scared me bad, i think its back on now, testing now, but i hope it isnt life threatening if its off :(

anyways, testing with mod off now, i used Hipro's jumper trick for my 200k pot... if she runs ok, ill plug her in and let it fly...

what should i have Vdimm in bios set too when i turn on the mod?

Revv23
01-10-2005, 03:28 PM
ok got her up and running, its alive yay :)

measured 3.37 with mod off 3.3 set in bios.

once again, what should my bios vdimm be set too, does it even matter??


update, just plugged it in with vdimm set @ 3.3v in bios. board reads 3.4, which is actually 3.5 according to the mosfet.

at 3.2 ram = 3.4, 3.1= 3.3 etc...

very nice, this is with 200k pot at max resistance too, i doubt ill need more then 3.5 as the board will probably top out before the ram heh.

SAE
01-10-2005, 05:33 PM
Great, the mod worked for ya :thumbsup:

The ocp is kinda harder! You have to move the soldering iron in very limited spaces, I am using two irons to unsolder smds btw. Otherwise you'd damage one ceramic edge of the smd resistor making it very hard to re-solder it later.

Then put some solder onto the onboard solder pads in case you wanna attach some ordinary resistors there. For SMDs that should not be nescessary. Just flaten out the solder on the pads, then put the new smd there and hold it down inplace. Now heating up both sides (the solder there of course) should make the smd stick there. Check for contact with a DMM in resistance mode. If there's any, you will be fine, if there's none, check what side has no contact and resolder it with again a lil pressure to the lose side.

That's it, do that with each of these 4 smds! :D

Good luck, and be careful, I persoanlly don't like the ordinary resistors, hard to solder, and easy to break, the smds are flat and not much harder to solder.

Revv23
01-10-2005, 05:56 PM
well damnit where does one get SMD's?

i think ill hold off on the OCP/vcore/ vdroop for now, its too scary.

But, i am wondering how effective the Vagp was, is it worth the work?

im working on Vdd right now hehe.

SAE
01-10-2005, 06:03 PM
VAGP mod is nothing to consider... I never heard either of such a mod (for that board) or of the necessity of it. :confused:

The SMDs you can take off of every dead mainboard, vid card etc. ;)

Revv23
01-10-2005, 06:24 PM
oh lol, well i have tons and tons of SMD's then :p


as for vagp, its right in the first page of this thread lol:

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/vddandvdimmmodds.jpg

SAE
01-10-2005, 06:29 PM
VAGP in this pic is no mod, but how to measure the actual real voltage. :D

Revv23
01-10-2005, 08:00 PM
oh lol, you are right sir, good thing i didnt try that one haha

heres my board all moded up, i decided to skip Vcore for now, and just see how far i get on these two, if i feel that vcore will help ill do it, i figured out how to unsolder those tiny SMD's with just one soldering iron on my dead NF7-S2 so i can do OCP if i have too.

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_001.jpg

note how i mounted a jumper on the pot so as to make the mod removable without soldering, jumper off=mod off... big props to hipro5 for that idea.

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_003.jpg
Vdd

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_005.jpg

board cooling (not epoxied yet) you can also see my BH-5 cooling project, though thats not finished either, as you can probably tell... a few sinks had trouble sticking.

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_004.jpg
Vdimm, you can see how i pulled off the SMD with my iron :slap: but luckily i was able to get it back down :cool: ... not bad for my first actuall vmod if i do say so myself. (not counting easy 9800pro vmod)

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_007.jpg
cpu fet cooling up close

more board shots:
http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_006.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_008.jpg

trodas
01-11-2005, 05:20 AM
SAE - well, try the real challenge - do it w/o active cooling :lol: ...you will see, how hard this is. And what? I just did one small post :stick:

Revv23 - did you board did 225x12 1.850Vcore stock with 2x512 2-2-2-11 rams and w/o any fan? Try it. You might be amazed that you probably get crash at this settings, when you disable your fans, under a hour of priming ;) (don't be surprised get the crash sooner :lol:)
Anyway, you got a very nice pics of your mobo. Could you pls consider taking one (ok, at least 5 and pick the sharpest and most nice one :D) picture of the dimm mosfets + SB area?
Exactly this:
http://trodas.wz.cz/exactly_this.jpg
- but w/o the heatsinks :confused:

Could you, please? You got a very nice pictures, so... :p:

...if you even can print the grid and place it between the SB and voltage regulator - it will be purrrfect :D Just like I described there:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49650 ;)

PS. nice OC you got, man! I wish I can get close to ya :p:

SAE
01-11-2005, 05:29 AM
SAE - well, try the real challenge - do it w/o active cooling :lol: ...you will see, how hard this is.

Why the h3ll should I want this?! :D
It's a max performance benching and gaming rig, no silence needed, pal. It's no livingroom pc ;) Furthermore my case is open, so I need these fans to get any flow at all.


And what? I just did one small post :stick:

:D That's no offense, I was just a lil amused about your post length ;)

trodas
01-11-2005, 07:10 AM
I did not say you want this - I just say that it will be challenge :D ;) Tought the best results will be probably around 2800Mhz with lot's of heatpipes to every heatsink and using the fanless cooling zalman case :lol:

You think this post is long? :rolleyes: Errr, ehm, check some other my posts. Some are 2x or even 3x longer :p: I simply have too much to say and refuse to say it shortly or something :lol:

Im weird person :stick:

...now let's move with the heatsink for the dimm + vdd + voltage regulator + SB things :devil:

Revv23
01-11-2005, 07:16 AM
ehhh i just expoxied/ taped the sinks on last night.

Sorry, this is what my board looks like ATM:

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_011.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~revv23/Christmas_2004_013.jpg

my case is closed, its like a wind tunnel in there, but its actually not that loud with the tornado turned down.

trodas
01-11-2005, 12:34 PM
Revv23 - damn :( ...and hey, you are HELL CRAZY heatsinker/fanner! :eek: That's insane, man! Do the extreme memory cooling actually helping something?! :eek:


BTW, todays I finally added the capacitors. Just the 3x 3.3G 25V 105C behind the CPU capacitors. We see, if it make any difference.

It took me a bit longer to finally make it, because when I did this on my Epox 8RDA+ and run it (200x12.5 1.850Vcore AXP¨-M 2500+), in 20min one (85C only rated, but on the backside I tought it should be okay?!) of them exploded and killed the mobo, so I was a little bit worried, if this can't harm my mobo :( :bang:

We see if there will be some improve on my crashing (about after 10-12h in folding + working and then fold + movie = crash) from overheating. Probably nope, but it should not at least make thing worser, can it make things worser?

BTW, who will recommend doing to OCP mod on LP B mobo, when I planing 24/7 under 100% load at 225x12 (2700Mhz) with 1.850Vcore? It is need? :confused:

SAE
01-11-2005, 12:42 PM
Ocp allows more current to pass through mosfet area to supply cpu, can't be bad ;) It's like I said... got more stability. Way more stability. But that's me :D

Revv23
01-11-2005, 02:45 PM
thanks trodas :) like my 9800pro cooler?

the memory cooling got me 5mhz with my board at stock, and im assuming ill keep those 5 mhz and it should extend the life of my ram if running some serisous volts, but from the sounds of thing i wont ever really need over 3.5v...

im thinking about putting an 80mm fan over the cpu mosfet's as well, as the colder those mosfets are the better my OC it seems, im at the point where more CPU air cooling doesnt help nearly as much as cold ambient case temps, so im sure these mosfet sinks will give me something, maybe ill do an experiment. right now i have to fix up my rheobus, then this thing is going back into my cold room for some hot experiments :) :cheers:

Revv23
01-11-2005, 06:28 PM
so get this, i get all hooked up, 260x9 is rock stable, but my old 255x11 is no where to be seen, in fact, nothing over 250/10 is there any more, my cooling is way better, i have more volts, i didnt turn on the Vdd mod yet so that shouldnt matter, but most i can get into windows with is 260x9, memtest stable but 3dmark crashes, 255x9.5 is the same way...

i added a tornado and two 40 mm fans do you think maybe my PSU is dried up?

somehow i find that hard to belive as i just put in a brand new fortron 530w to replace the antec430 that was doing 2.8ghz with it...

but really its the only thing i can think of, but the fortron is cold to the touch, and i thought these were supossed to be PSU's that usually handle much more then rated...

hrmm maybe ill hook the antec up, i spent over an hour organizing all my wires though :(

STEvil
01-11-2005, 06:35 PM
Odd..

SAE, you using 166mhz L12 or 200mhz L12 mod? Figure i'll ask while i'm soldering on an nf7 ;)

Revv23
01-11-2005, 06:46 PM
well i felt around with DMM and the usually solid 12v rail went from 12.05 idle to 11.98 load, so as experiment i unhooked all of my fans and i only went from 12.09 to 12.05 under load but still no boot over 2.6ghz.

man :(

i really thought fortrons were supposed to be good, so im hoping its somethingelse but what else could it be? my cooling is adequate :p:, im only running .1v out of spec on Vdimm, maybe i should try shutting off the vdimm mod... hrmmm.... im also going to try a different powerbar as im in my basement on a $5 powerbar and all of my good overclocks were on a nice $30 radioshack one.

past that i got nothing...

hmmm.... maybe the big mosfet sinks are preventing good airflow to the CPU Vcore regs? Maybe ill try 2.7 @ 1.9 as that was stable IIRC

stealth17
01-11-2005, 07:08 PM
well i felt around with DMM and the usually solid 12v rail went from 12.05 idle to 11.98 load, so as experiment i unhooked all of my fans and i only went from 12.09 to 12.05 under load but still no boot over 2.6ghz.

man :(

i really thought fortrons were supposed to be good, so im hoping its somethingelse but what else could it be? my cooling is adequate :p:, im only running .1v out of spec on Vdimm, maybe i should try shutting off the vdimm mod... hrmmm.... im also going to try a different powerbar as im in my basement on a $5 powerbar and all of my good overclocks were on a nice $30 radioshack one.

past that i got nothing...

hmmm.... maybe the big mosfet sinks are preventing good airflow to the CPU Vcore regs? Maybe ill try 2.7 @ 1.9 as that was stable IIRC

adjustable rail on most fortons....look into that. whats the amperage rating for each rail? i have all my fans on a old AT psu thats only like 150watt or something and my mobo is the only thing on the ATX...fans make the power "dirty" so its best to isolate them. thats why there are ATX 2.0 PSU's out now :)

Revv23
01-11-2005, 07:19 PM
fans have dedicated plug, distibuted through baybus, same goes for 9800. though i do have an aopen 250w sitting on my workbench may be worth a try, still, even without the fans loading up psu there isnt a boot.

18A on the 12v rated. Supposedly these are capable of running mor then 18a but im having trouble believing now... and i dont really think i need to adjust rails if im 12.05 idle 11.98 load do i?

STEvil
01-11-2005, 08:04 PM
have the p4 plug plugged in?

stealth17
01-11-2005, 09:36 PM
have the p4 plug plugged in?

that thingy make any diff?

STEvil
01-11-2005, 10:50 PM
yeah.. a lot.

SAE
01-12-2005, 04:57 AM
Odd..

SAE, you using 166mhz L12 or 200mhz L12 mod? Figure i'll ask while i'm soldering on an nf7 ;)
It's equal what mod you do on the dfi, bios defaults it to 200MHz. :)

Revv23
01-12-2005, 05:33 AM
4 pin is plugged in yes

stealth17
01-12-2005, 06:18 PM
look at this... i ran prime for 35 hours to ensure 100% stablilty at this clock and when i stopped it, look at the screen shot :slobber:

lil weird

SAE
01-13-2005, 12:09 AM
Weird indeed! :D

Do you know you only tested cpu stability!? :stick:

For good overall stability testing chose the blend mode in prime. :)

HARDCORECLOCKER
01-13-2005, 02:17 AM
Weird indeed! :D

Do you know you only tested cpu stability!? :stick:

For good overall stability testing chose the blend mode in prime. :)

Hi my german friend - guess who I am - nice to meet You HERE !!!

:toast:

SAE
01-13-2005, 02:20 PM
Hi my german friend - guess who I am - nice to meet You HERE !!!

:toast:
:lol: Hey, Frank??? :D

Always a pleasure to meet ya :)

stealth17
01-13-2005, 03:15 PM
:lol:
Weird indeed! :D

Do you know you only tested cpu stability!? :stick:

For good overall stability testing chose the blend mode in prime. :)

ahh ic...well i figured out the time thing... I had updated the time after a cmos erase :lol:

anyone could cheat knowing that!

SAE
01-13-2005, 03:51 PM
Why should a serious overclocker wanna cheat? :confused:

stealth17
01-13-2005, 05:34 PM
Why should a serious overclocker wanna cheat? :confused:

they wouldnt but them people wanting toaster sigs that need a certain clock and specific hours of prime probly would in a heart beat. people like you and i wouldnt do that because thats just rediculous ;)

Revv23
01-13-2005, 11:26 PM
figured out my problem, one of my sinks fell off and was shorting the board, relaly odd stuff, but im going 260x10 now like a rock, taking het up slow this time, last time my starting point was 2.8ghz and it didnt turn out nice eh?

SAE
01-14-2005, 06:02 AM
@stealth

:lol:

@Revv23

Phew... that's dangerous. Every short circuit onboard (off-board too ;) ) can destroy components... you are very lucky it didn't.

Great results so far, my friend, anyways :thumbsup:

stealth17
01-14-2005, 11:03 AM
figured out my problem, one of my sinks fell off and was shorting the board, relaly odd stuff, but im going 260x10 now like a rock, taking het up slow this time, last time my starting point was 2.8ghz and it didnt turn out nice eh?

which sink? thats exactly what happened to my infinity RIP :rolleyes:

i posted about it when someone (you maybe) was sinking their board up.

stealth17
01-15-2005, 03:26 PM
haha just killed my LPB http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50372 :) :)

third board coming up!

maybe ill get a Taiwan this time!!!

SAE
01-15-2005, 06:25 PM
stealth17, you crazy board killer!!! :D

stealth17
01-15-2005, 07:45 PM
stealth17, you crazy board killer!!! :D

hehe

crazy weather over here in the states made the dew point go up and i woke up to a mobo with a puddle of water on it that was not condensation proofed :p:

Revv23
01-17-2005, 07:39 PM
@Revv23

Phew... that's dangerous. Every short circuit onboard (off-board too ;) ) can destroy components... you are very lucky it didn't.

Great results so far, my friend, anyways :thumbsup:

Thanks SAE, means alot coming from a guy like you heh :p:

anyways, just got back from a friends over the weekend, still at 260x10, ive got to re arrange my CPU mosfet sinks as anything over 1.85vcore becmes unstable, my theory is that the driver IC's are covered up by my big copper fet sinks and the lack of airflow is overheating them.

@stealth, it was the driver IC for my RAM IIRC. the sink was just resting on the board, i am very lucky man hehe :)

SAE
01-17-2005, 08:06 PM
hehe

crazy weather over here in the states made the dew point go up and i woke up to a mobo with a puddle of water on it that was not condensation proofed :p:
Your mobo was just chillin' :lol:

@Revv23

Yeah, the driver ICs got very hot on my board too, that's why I sinked them. :D

P.S. And yeah, 260 is impressive, especially when it's stable, cause most AXP boards/cpus just cannot do it. :thumbsup: (I mean with tight timings ;) ... not the 3.0-4-4-8 crap :lol: )

Revv23
01-17-2005, 08:09 PM
im thinking the fact that its a TW board is a plus, and im hoping that more Vdimm and Vdd will get me further, i still havent gone over 3.4vdimm hehe.

SAE
01-17-2005, 08:17 PM
Yep. TW is best ;)

3.55V Vdimm is even better :D

stealth17
01-17-2005, 09:25 PM
3.55V Vdimm is even better :D

i beg to differ... after about 3.45 i didnt see any improvement with BH-6...actually higher cause more errors for me.... :(

STEvil
01-17-2005, 11:55 PM
you need better cooling, better power supply, or your ram is "bad"..

trodas
01-18-2005, 03:10 AM
I would like to say, that I did the capacitors mod and it turned bad.
My mobo not working anymore.
I try resolder the capacitors, but no green power light, damn.

That's what I did:
http://ax2.old-cans.com/show.php?p=badthingshappens&id=2&c=8&d=1&v=v2

...and there is even a slight history about what happen then... :( :( :(

I won't recommend the capacitor mod to anyone. It looks like it can help, but it just killed my mobo, seems... Hope only temporary... :( :stick:

STEvil
01-18-2005, 09:56 AM
Anything between the capacitors and the socket? Could be vibrations caused the pins on the back of the board to wear through the protective sheath on the outside of the caps and shorted stuff.

stealth17
01-18-2005, 04:52 PM
you need better cooling, better power supply, or your ram is "bad"..

prolly better psu...im running a 18amp 12v rail Raidmax 420watt psu that came with my $60 case! i have the fans on a separate one though... i can get almost 2.8 outta that even :)

i gatta get a new one..its prolly holding me back ATM. Im ganna get a 500watt or so OCZ 2.0 ( :) :) ) adjustable rails PSU...this is ganna be a nice one!

--------------------my latest news-----------------------------
Im building a custom phase-change from scratch to hit -50c load. SAE, better watch out! Im coming to get you! this will be a 24/7 setup too!!! I cant wait!!!

SAE
01-18-2005, 07:53 PM
@stealth

:lol: Your sig makes me smile :D

I am going FX-55 soon, DFI NF4... so you will have your chance ;)

STEvil
01-18-2005, 07:59 PM
raidmax says it all.. dump it asap ;)

stealth17
01-18-2005, 08:14 PM
raidmax says it all.. dump it asap ;)

yeh...in about a month im going to really have a kickass system for me.

im getting my new LPB and im doing some sweet cooling on it. im looking at a 5x5mm (yes mini pelt) to mess around with. this thing takes less than an amp to pull 74c Delta T.

Ill have my -50c phasechange done, my stuff back in my case (finally), new psu. i cant wait. im hoping for atleast 3.2 after mods.

hoping

anyways what do you all think of this (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-934&depa=0) psu? i know its only 15amp but thats split between two rails so it really 30amp (if thats how it works?) and it looks really sweet with my case. good price,good wattage, great company...could i go wrong?

later

EDIT: oh and SAE, where did you get those copper sinks? i cant find a cheap all copper sink to chop up. i found one guy that had a 6800gt copper sink for $15 but he wouldnt sell it to me because i was going to "hack" it up! :stick:

STEvil
01-18-2005, 08:38 PM
For that setup i'd get something with a lot of guts to it.. Fortron are great, but that one doesnt look like its going to hold up to 3.2ghz ;)

stealth17
01-18-2005, 08:41 PM
For that setup i'd get something with a lot of guts to it.. Fortron are great, but that one doesnt look like its going to hold up to 3.2ghz ;)

could you gimme a reco for one? i really dont want to skimp on it because i will have it pretty much till it dies as of todays knowledge

Kobalt
01-18-2005, 08:53 PM
OCZ powerstream....

pc power cooling

zippy

Antec neopower

stealth17
01-18-2005, 09:12 PM
OCZ powerstream....

pc power cooling

zippy

Antec neopower

right but i mean specs too like amps, watts, v2?, ect...

EDIT: hows this? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-152&depa=0 +12@33a :) the v2.0 (dual rails) worth it?

STEvil
01-18-2005, 10:41 PM
Running an OCZ 600w Powerstream myself

I'd say anything PCP&C, OCZ, or Zippy will be good. Large +12v rail (30 amps+) is good, be carefull on if its split or not though.

The OCZ 520 is not split 12v rails.

trodas
01-19-2005, 01:49 AM
STEvil - no, backs of the capacitors are in absolutely perfect condition - no shortcut anywhere possible. :(

STEvil
01-19-2005, 02:04 AM
sucks.. something happened, would be nice to figure it out.

SAE
01-19-2005, 04:24 AM
EDIT: oh and SAE, where did you get those copper sinks? i cant find a cheap all copper sink to chop up. i found one guy that had a 6800gt copper sink for $15 but he wouldnt sell it to me because i was going to "hack" it up! :stick:

I got them here in Germany, in a computer shop ;) :p:

:lol: ...these are Revoltecs.

ex.treme
01-19-2005, 06:41 AM
I dont understand this sux ,
Where is a problem?

240x10,5-2520mhz - @1,8 1,7 3,1 52222-13-15 - 6h 4 min fail PRIME 95
240x10,5-2520mhz - @1,8 1,8 3,1 52222-13-15 - 3h 1 min fail PRIME 95



Btw: SAE > Wanna sold the mobo or not? Per PM you not answer me.

Esox
01-19-2005, 08:32 AM
@SAE

Didn't no that you bought those copper sinks... :stick:
But they are looking really "cold (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38855&item=6736126481&rd=1) " :D
Do you no any shop selling them?
... except ebay

SAE
01-19-2005, 11:25 AM
Btw: SAE > Wanna sold the mobo or not? Per PM you not answer me.


I will contact you, but you did not make an offer.... ;) YGPM.

@Esox

YGPM. :D

stealth17
01-19-2005, 07:30 PM
hey it worth it to switch my mcw159 NB cooler for a w/c NB and put the MCX on the SB?

Revv23
01-19-2005, 09:32 PM
what kind of Vdd volts are you using?

i would say no personally, but i would defiently get a better then stock SB cooler.

Revv23
01-19-2005, 10:37 PM
so get this, im checking for volts under load at prime, as im still having trouble breaking 2700 stable ever since my vdimm mod, and my FSP-530 was at 11.95, so, i adjust it to 12.3...

at the same time i re-arrange all my sinks on the board...

anyways, i boot up, and i check volt status in bios, the mobo finnaly read 12v in monitor (usually was at 11.5 lol) and i notice one wierd thing, my vdimm was reading as the actual bios setting, not plus .1 like usuall... i had seen this before, it seems completly random whether the board works my vdimm mod or not...

anyways, i set it to 260x10.5, my previous max after my mods, and no boot, so 200x10, no boot... i decide to change everything to auto just to get into windows, and no boot, i hold ins to try and get into bios like i usually do and no boot, i clear cmos, no boot etc etc etc...

so i dunno, maybe its dead?

Esox
01-20-2005, 02:30 AM
@ Sae

Npmfm :)

SAE
01-20-2005, 02:53 AM
@ Sae

Npmfm :)
Huh? :confused:

Ahhh... sorry, forgot to send the PM :lol: Doing it now. :D

trodas
01-20-2005, 04:15 AM
stealth17 - if your target FSB is not over 250Mhz, then probably nope. I managed 250Mhz memtest and 242Mhz benchable (11-2-2-2-2-9-12-0-0-3-3-2-0-3-E-E-F-E) with 2x512MB hi-performance mushkins and just stock cooling :D

http://ax2.old-cans.com/show.php?p=badthingshappens&id=7&c=8&d=1&v=v2

http://ax2.old-cans.com/show.php?p=badthingshappens&id=89&c=8&d=1&v=v2

:D :D :D

tictac
01-20-2005, 04:47 AM
here i found data scavenged & super by pass register as well :slap:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22915

stealth17
01-20-2005, 11:01 AM
@tictac

whats that for?

@ everyone else

running max like 2.5 or 2.6vdd....trying to get as high as possible FSB. when i get over 260, its not ram limiting me, its board/chipsets....

ex.treme
01-20-2005, 04:02 PM
High fsb and Audigy out sound output>
ACPI installed is better( not sound problem) than standart pc but you will not run so high with fsb like ACPI+APIC disabled.

Revv23
01-20-2005, 04:02 PM
ive found at low vdd's i get hard drive corruption at high FSB, stable or not, the issues go away with more voltage, lost two installs of windows figuring that out lol...


anyways, strangest thing, today i boot while holding ins, no go... clear cmos again, no go, im getting ready to pull the board and run it in open, and i say whatever one more go, i boot holding ins and bam, im up, but guess what, cmos wasnt clear!?

man thats a strange one, anyways, now its prime stable @250x10, not what i was hoping for, but at least i can break 250 fdb again, going for more now, i set my Vdimm so i can get up to 3.55 now, so weeee....

Revv23
01-20-2005, 04:25 PM
ok now you want wierd, i set my vdimm up like 3.0=3.3, 3.1=3.4 etc...

so i cant get it to boot at 260 without setting it to 3.3 in bios (like 3.56 bios readout)

so even then its not stable so im thinking my Vdimm mod wasnt working, so i and say what the hey ill run memtest, first pass of memtest 5, 18,000 errors...

2nd pass, no error
3rd pass, no error
4th pass, no error...


this BH-5 is only a month old but has anyone ever heard of something like this? maybe like some new crazy burn-in to high voltae that i didnt know about....

Revv23
01-20-2005, 04:54 PM
ok so yet another update, im thinking its my modding skills at fault here, seems like the voltage is coming and going at random, therefore it passes/failes at random, guess ive got more work to do....

STEvil
01-20-2005, 05:57 PM
are you using a USB keyboard? They dont work so well for the hold insert trick.

Revv23
01-20-2005, 08:08 PM
no sir...

again an odd thing happened, it seems to be working, tested at 270x5 just fine, 250x10 is different though, needs more on the vcore i think, only using 1.8 now....

Revv23
01-20-2005, 09:08 PM
man this is one of the quirkiest boards ever heh..


so it does 270x10 memtest with 2 errors a pass at 3.55v, so i shut down and turn it up to 3.6v, and it freezes during test, so i figure board cant hang, so i turn voltage back down to 3.55 and 270x10 freezes during memtest again, then 265x10 (something i ran stable for 20 passes on test 5) cant even boot up into memtest anymore... ive hit this thing like this seems every night lol, and it also seems that every morning the problem magically dissapears...

lets keep our fingers crossed lol...


edit - it also doesnt seem like my CPU likes high speeds anymore, before my mods i could do 2800 stable easy, now 2.7 stable is really hard work...

SAE
01-21-2005, 05:00 AM
man this is one of the quirkiest boards ever heh..


so it does 270x10 memtest with 2 errors a pass at 3.55v, so i shut down and turn it up to 3.6v, and it freezes during test, so i figure board cant hang, so i turn voltage back down to 3.55 and 270x10 freezes during memtest again, then 265x10 (something i ran stable for 20 passes on test 5) cant even boot up into memtest anymore... ive hit this thing like this seems every night lol, and it also seems that every morning the problem magically dissapears...

lets keep our fingers crossed lol...


edit - it also doesnt seem like my CPU likes high speeds anymore, before my mods i could do 2800 stable easy, now 2.7 stable is really hard work...
:lol:

Not only you, but all DFI NF2 users have quirky boards :D

You won't believe it, but that's exactly what I was telling peeps before... the boards seem to have a day's shape (can you call it like that?!) - one day they feel great allowing for great ocs, next morning every tiny positive bit of the former day is forgotten. The board has its migraine :rotf:

Revv23
01-21-2005, 05:43 AM
yeah its funny, sometimes itll let me boot 270 memtest stable and others i cant even get 260 going right at all...craziest thing ever...

stealth17
01-21-2005, 07:08 AM
YEH!!! i was wondering if i was going crazy a few times! man it pisses me off when it pulls that :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:!

SAE
01-21-2005, 07:33 AM
Hope these times are over when I get the nf4 ;) :D

Revv23
01-21-2005, 08:53 AM
im actually thinking about pulling the mods and just keeping this at its stock OC until i get a better rig setup, sure 10x265 is fast and stable when i ca boot it, other times i end up with 200x8 lol...

i think id prefer the 255x11 i had at one point, i had the same superpi time as my cpu magically clocked higher before my modding, anyways, it was still a worthy project for me, learned much about modding and such... :)

STEvil
01-21-2005, 08:52 PM
might be related to the vdimm issue I experienced with my infinity where it was running 3.5v all on its own.. rebooted a couple times and it was normal?? Maybe it happens to other components also..

Dont know if anyone remembers that thread.. ;)

SAE
01-22-2005, 12:29 PM
might be related to the vdimm issue I experienced with my infinity where it was running 3.5v all on its own.. rebooted a couple times and it was normal?? Maybe it happens to other components also..

Dont know if anyone remembers that thread.. ;)
Are you referring to the bios/battery issue?? :D

Or is it something else, some further weirdness of the DFI NF2?! ;)

STEvil
01-22-2005, 07:55 PM
bios/battery issue? My infinity was pushing 3.5v to my BH-6 when set to 3.3v once for some reason.. no vmods done to it then.

SAE
01-23-2005, 04:56 AM
bios/battery issue? My infinity was pushing 3.5v to my BH-6 when set to 3.3v once for some reason.. no vmods done to it then.
Aha. I thought you were talking about the battery trick to up your vdimm. Can be an issue too, in case the board cannot supply a stable high vdimm (had some Infinity boards like that)...

tictac
01-23-2005, 10:52 AM
some update... :)

6-19 3D Fire R2

Change Log from 6-19 3D Fire:
1) SATA Bios upgrade to Version 5044
2) CPU Disconnect Function Patch
3) Side Band Addressing Enabled
4) PCI Latency 128clock
5) EXT P2P Discard Time 1ms
6) LAN Latency 128clock
7) SATA Latency 128clock

Download Link
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/bios/DFI-N...9-3DFire-R2.zip (http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/bios/DFI-N24LD619-3DFire-R2.zip)


Important Notice!!! :)
You must enable SATA in bios. I inject it through SATA Bios.
If you have problem booting into windows After Bios boot....
Restart ... go into bios and Disabled SATA...
It will boot fine to windows
If this problem occured please report it to me. Thank you

ex.treme
01-24-2005, 03:24 PM
One thing to Audigy or sound problem. I think is not Audigy 1 problem. This message Audio switcher out is all audio output, not only Audigy. Where is a problem? That problem have only my? Its verry uncomfortable problem. I run any important programs and in the middle upsss > audio switcher out and no sound . Must restart. Thats gonna make me crazy.

Revv23
01-24-2005, 04:58 PM
@tictac, any idea how this bios will effect performance over the hellfire rev3?


ive always had good luck with the HF/1-21 bios' but i dunno maybe this will help the board be more consistent...

ill be the guniea(spelling?) pig here i guess....

SAE
01-24-2005, 07:19 PM
One thing to Audigy or sound problem. I think is not Audigy 1 problem. This message Audio switcher out is all audio output, not only Audigy. Where is a problem? That problem have only my? Its verry uncomfortable problem. I run any important programs and in the middle upsss > audio switcher out and no sound . Must restart. Thats gonna make me crazy.


Hehe... yeah, sound problems are not very seldom with these NF2 at high clocks.

Soon you will have my board/cpu in your hands (if you still want it :D) and maybe it gets better (I do hope so)... :thumbsup:

tictac
01-25-2005, 02:04 AM
@tictac, any idea how this bios will effect performance over the hellfire rev3?


ive always had good luck with the HF/1-21 bios' but i dunno maybe this will help the board be more consistent...

ill be the guniea(spelling?) pig here i guess....

I have no idea how it perform compare to Hellfire / Merlin / Evilous modded bios

anyway here is the bootup logo in that bios

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=46790

Revv23
01-25-2005, 05:14 AM
thats cool, im still not home :(

hopefully ill have time tonight to load it up... i just hope this bios makes stuff more consistent ya know?

ex.treme
01-25-2005, 09:43 AM
SAE: i wanna :banana: and hope too

FireFoxII
01-25-2005, 10:51 AM
Hi all :)

i have purchased a DFI Infinity from about a week.
I'm, for now, satisfied... But i want to ask a question regarding this mobo

Is there a software that concern me to view VDD voltage from windows? MBM seems not do this...

Thanks for help :)

stealth17
01-25-2005, 11:45 AM
Hi all :)

i have purchased a DFI Infinity from about a week.
I'm, for now, satisfied... But i want to ask a question regarding this mobo

Is there a software that concern me to view VDD voltage from windows? MBM seems not do this...

Thanks for help :)

read through this guide. the software in unreliable. use a multimeter. points are on first page of this guide.

Revv23
01-25-2005, 12:36 PM
there isnt VDD monitor on the board, hence the bios not showing VDD and no software reading it out to you...

stealth17
01-25-2005, 03:32 PM
hey, newegg is out of LPB mobos so they cant rma it. they are just giving me my money back. so should i just get another LPB from zipzoomfly or should i get a NF7-S?

SAE
01-25-2005, 03:35 PM
Hi all :)

i have purchased a DFI Infinity from about a week.
I'm, for now, satisfied... But i want to ask a question regarding this mobo

Is there a software that concern me to view VDD voltage from windows? MBM seems not do this...

Thanks for help :)
First off: Welcome to the sickness :D

And referring to the vdd readout the other are fully right... sad but true. You have to reliably measure with a DMM.

Massive
01-25-2005, 03:54 PM
hey, newegg is out of LPB mobos so they cant rma it. they are just giving me my money back. so should i just get another LPB from zipzoomfly or should i get a NF7-S?

When u've used LP B u surely DON'T want to switch BACK to NF7-S :D ...
Get another one :stick:

stealth17
01-25-2005, 04:02 PM
When u've used LP B u surely DON'T want to switch BACK to NF7-S :D ...
Get another one :stick:

or should i hold off on the DD and just water cool a nice 64bit nf4? like what chip would i want and would i need a new video card since i have a agp?

Esox
01-25-2005, 11:04 PM
At least i saw the 2650 :D

http://mitglied.lycos.de/Esox80/3.jpg

Without any mosfet cooling etc.
Will come soon if i have time! :rolleyes:

SAE
01-26-2005, 02:55 AM
Hey Esox, my friend :)

:thumbsup:

Up the vcore to 1.85V and it should work ;)

Esox
01-26-2005, 03:20 AM
i`ll try :D

Revv23
01-26-2005, 03:53 AM
hey, newegg is out of LPB mobos so they cant rma it. they are just giving me my money back. so should i just get another LPB from zipzoomfly or should i get a NF7-S?


you could ask them for an infinity...

same board really...

SAE
01-26-2005, 04:05 AM
you could ask them for an infinity...

same board really...
From my experiences the Lanparty boards are better in general, but DFI themselves officially deny it.

Revv23
01-26-2005, 05:18 AM
From my experiences the Lanparty boards are better in general, but DFI themselves officially deny it.


really?

ive always felt that the difference was non existent, and the TW boards were the good ones...LP or not...you have much more experience then me though. :)

SAE
01-26-2005, 05:27 AM
really?

ive always felt that the difference was non existent, and the TW boards were the good ones...LP or not...you have much more experience then me though. :)

Hehe, I've had 7 Infinities (two TW ones) and 5 Lanparty Bs (three TW ones)... and I can say for sure, the China boards sucked compared to the TW ones, and the LP B boards beat the Infinities :D

Revv23
01-26-2005, 07:20 AM
damn, did you sell them or kill them hehe?

i wonder what the differences are, from a design standpoint they are the same in the important stuff, maybe they pick better clocking NB's?

who knows...

ex.treme
01-26-2005, 10:26 AM
Hey guys. You have Xp or Win 2000 system? ( Which S.pack)
How is best for overclockers?

Revv23
01-26-2005, 12:26 PM
win2000 SP2 is best for 3d01 IIRC...

i use XP SP1...

stealth17
01-26-2005, 05:08 PM
hey SAE, get your NF4 yet?

Revv23
01-26-2005, 05:11 PM
from where? :D

SAE
01-27-2005, 04:46 AM
damn, did you sell them or kill them hehe?

i wonder what the differences are, from a design standpoint they are the same in the important stuff, maybe they pick better clocking NB's?

who knows...
I did not kill them, they killed themselves :lol:
I sold most of them... :D

They should be the same, but maybe they differ in component quality ;) (not officially, the newer nf3/4 boards have superb japanese caps, iirc)

No, I am still not sure where to buy and what vid card (have to wait for the money from board/axp and x800 though).

I really wanna get an FX, but it's not available here... :(

Esox
01-27-2005, 10:13 AM
@SAE

FX55 750 € at Ebay ;)

SAE
01-27-2005, 02:53 PM
Where? :D

HARDCORECLOCKER
01-27-2005, 03:00 PM
Where? :D

:D The only one I see so far at EBAY, pre-used:

FX-55 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=78778&item=6739657276&rd=1)

Viel Spass !!! :toast:

Esox
01-28-2005, 03:10 AM
Where? :D

Hmmm... right... nothing at Ebay. It was one or two weeks ago... :rolleyes:

stealth17
01-28-2005, 11:59 AM
got my new LPB today...another damn china....how do i keep getting those? 3 out of 3 now are chinas....hmmm should i see if someone has a taiwan or just see what this china can do under water and phase change?

like whats better about the taiwan boards....higher FSB?

SAE
01-28-2005, 03:41 PM
got my new LPB today...another damn china....how do i keep getting those? 3 out of 3 now are chinas....hmmm should i see if someone has a taiwan or just see what this china can do under water and phase change?

like whats better about the taiwan boards....higher FSB?
Better stability (waaaaayyyy better) at high fsb together with high vcore/CPU speed.

That's about it. :D

But some of these china boards are good though, LORD (a great clocker on AXP too) had an excellent one once.

stealth17
01-28-2005, 04:01 PM
Better stability (waaaaayyyy better) at high fsb together with high vcore/CPU speed.

That's about it. :D

But some of these china boards are good though, LORD (a great clocker on AXP too) had an excellent one once.

how did you get a taiwan? luck?

i cant find any of them!!!

i have taiwan chipsets...that count?

Revv23
01-28-2005, 10:36 PM
I thought your current board was a CH board wasnt it SAE? the one with 263x13?


aorry stealth my first and only TW board was the first and only infinity i boughtfrom newegg.

trodas
01-29-2005, 06:40 AM
stealth17 - from witch shop you get china one? :rolleyes:

PS. both my LP B mobos was china made. One can do 225x12, and other, with the very same components, just killed it's own bios, when I try the 225x12 settings, so... ;) Even then china boards have some weak pieces and some very good ones.
It's overclock. Your mileage may wary... :stick:

Anyway, one (the better one, of course... :cussing: ) of my DFI LP B is dead as brick now, after the capacitor mod + 6hours of work, and that it is. No power led light anymore... :brick:

Revv23
01-29-2005, 08:44 AM
stealth17 - from witch shop you get china one? :rolleyes:

PS. both my LP B mobos was china made. One can do 225x12, and other, with the very same components, just killed it's own bios, when I try the 225x12 settings, so... ;) Even then china boards have some weak pieces and some very good ones.
It's overclock. Your mileage may wary... :stick:

Anyway, one (the better one, of course... :cussing: ) of my DFI LP B is dead as brick now, after the capacitor mod + 6hours of work, and that it is. No power led light anymore... :brick:


The china ones are the lesser boards, the TW are the better ones usually.

TEDY
02-01-2005, 02:17 PM
my friend is gonna do some moding on my dfi nf2 this weekend

http://forums.moops.tk/showthread.php?t=11 <- ALL mods OK here ?

should i be carefull of anything ? 10x

SAE
02-02-2005, 01:30 AM
my friend is gonna do some moding on my dfi nf2 this weekend

http://forums.moops.tk/showthread.php?t=11 <- ALL mods OK here ?

should i be carefull of anything ? 10x

Hmm... first off: what's he planning to do? I mean, which mods... that's important to know for giving any kinda hints.

Furthermore your link is dead, it seems. :p:

TEDY
02-02-2005, 05:43 AM
nope link works

well i want:
vdimm 3.6v max
vdd (do i need more then 1.9v?)
vcore and ocp....so 2.00v is stable...

anything else ?

Revv23
02-02-2005, 06:02 PM
VDD is not helpful in my experience, seems different for everyone though.

stealth17
02-02-2005, 06:28 PM
VDD is not helpful in my experience, seems different for everyone though.

it was a big gain for me. i hit 265 compared to 255 w/ out it...you can tell if ya need it just by seeing if your fsb does better at 1.6 or 1.9 (or in between). id say if it better at 1.9, then go for it!

Revv23
02-02-2005, 07:25 PM
1.6 to 1.8 did help me sata wise, 1.9 even more so, but not past that, i dont get SATA corruption at 1.9 ever it seems.... something else always craps out first at those high speeds.

SAE
02-03-2005, 04:12 AM
nope link works

well i want:
vdimm 3.6v max
vdd (do i need more then 1.9v?)
vcore and ocp....so 2.00v is stable...

anything else ?
vdd, I have at 2.15V. That should suffice.

For all the smd mods (ocp, vdimm) - be careful not to lift the smds (vdimm) or to break them off (ocp)? For ocp, just unsolder both sides not leaving any rest of ceramic on the solder pads.

Revv23
02-03-2005, 06:45 AM
yeah i lifted the smd on my vdimm mod, it was a real pain getting it back on right.

stealth17
02-03-2005, 10:52 AM
i did my vdimm from the underside...works AWESOME!

SAE
02-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Great idea, stealth :thumbsup:

I never lifted that smd though ;) But I often heard of people doing it accidentally.

Revv23
02-04-2005, 07:14 AM
wish i would ahve thought of that stealth, i am always worried that i didnt get great contact on that smd and in turn lost stability...