What do you guys think of this rad

[SlimySquid]

http://www.cool-computers.com/site/content/1.Online%20Store/Radiators//images/cube_rad.jpg

cool-computers has them and it looks to be a decent rad, little on the pricey side but how do you think it will perform with 2 panaflo 90cfm fans pushing and sucking on it?
:banana:

[Çhrist0ph]

looks like a butt-load of flow restiction, five 180 deg. turns on each side! Be sure to use a good pump of you get that that.

[SlimySquid]

it says low pressure drop for maximum water flow.

http://www.cool-computers.com/site/default.asp?dir=1%2EOnline+Store&subcat=Radiators&doc=Radiators%2Ehtm

the bottow one

[Karnivore]

The cube is a known poor performer, I've not owned one personally, however DangerDen Discontinued them, as THIS LINK (http://www.dangerden.com/mall/Radiators/radiators_old.asp) shows, as did a number of online sellers. I also remember reading quite a few bad reports, nothing I can prove without a bit of searching though..

[SlimySquid]

so what was the problem with them?

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by SlimySquid
so what was the problem with them?


From what I know the design dates back to aproximately 2002, they were quite restrictive, and thermal transfer left something to be desired. Without extensive searching thats about all I can offer. Would seem though considering the price, and questionable performance that a heatercore, or Dteks procore would be a much better choice.

[Reflex1]

i wud stay away from rads ...they are also ood shaped for a case. those fins look to be aluminium too, copper core is far better.

[AngryAlpaca]

http://thermal-management-testing.com/radiator%20testing%201.htm

and

http://www.thermal-management-testing.com/corrected%20heat%20dissipation.htm

for the accurate graphs. It REALLY shows why their usage diminished, to about none.

[SlimySquid]

so someone gimme a link to a good rad that can be bought, please
:banana:

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by SlimySquid
so someone gimme a link to a good rad that can be bought, please
:banana:

http://dangerden.com/mall/Radiators/heatercore.asp

http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=103

http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=DTek-Core


Any of these would be excellent choices, as would hitting up your local auto parts store for a heater core, however then you would need to do some work on the inlet/outlet, not difficult though, and you would save a few bucks..

[SlimySquid]

Originally posted by Karnivore
http://dangerden.com/mall/Radiators/heatercore.asp

http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=103

http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=DTek-Core


Any of these would be excellent choices, as would hitting up your local auto parts store for a heater core, however then you would need to do some work on the inlet/outlet, not difficult though, and you would save a few bucks..

I tried to hit up local auto part store in hawaii, and that turned into comedy gold, i asked to see the different heater cores they had and they asked me for what car, i told them it was for my computer and I think they about lost there mind. What the heck would you need a heater core for in a computer, so I explained, and they still didn't get it.....lol

[Turbokeu]

When I started my watercooled Lian Li PC-70 project back in june 2001, cube rads like this one were very common.

There was the "famous" (in a bad way) 3/8" Danger Den Cube, and the 3/8" BeCooling AquaCoil. The AquaCoil received a "lifting" afterwards by dividing the 20 water passages in two circuits of 10 passages in parallel, halving the flow restriction, and also by changing the in & output to 1/2", named the AquaCoil II .
This the one I bought in july 2001.

I never regretted it (although I have no experience with "heatercore" style rads). I like the way they integrate into computer cases (they are made for computer cooling, and it fits my PC-70 perfectly), very square with all needed mountings for the case and the fan.
They are small (almost the dimensions of a 120mm fan) but deep, favorizing thermal transfer but also adding more resistance to the air flow. Tubing is completely made of copper, fins are made of alu.

The one in the original post resembles very, very much to my Aquacoil II, two parallel waterways with 1/2" connections. BeCooling stopped the commercialisation of the AquaCoil about 1.5 years ago.

One thing I observed is that my cube rad seems to accomodate with very low airflows.
My AquaCoil II is very happy with a Panaflo running at 6.5V, boosting the fan to 12V results in CPU temp decrease of less than 1°C, where owners of heatercore rads report better results with higher airflows (or even push-pull fans).

I'm also aware of the fact that they represent a high water flow restriction, but nothing a "powerfull" pump can overcome. My Eheim 1250 achieves 3.35LPM through the AquaCoil II, "the" Cascade WB , a DD GF4 WB and a lot of sharp 15mm 90° copper bends...

Compared to my previous WB, a Maze3, (and the same other HW) I obtained a temp decrease of 5°C with the Cascade.
23/28°C with a XP2400 @2333MHz@1.65V on an Asus A7V333 and a cube rad.
These temps have no absloute value but give me an idea compared to my old WB.

My opinion? Buy it, and try it...55$ is cheap (compared to european prices...)
It's about the price I paid in july 2001...
BTW, I'm very happy with it...

Some (older) pics:
http://users.skynet.be/turbokeu/mycomputer/pc-70/newcoil1.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/turbokeu/mycomputer/pc-70/newcoil2.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/turbokeu/mycomputer/pc-70/pict0006.jpg

Separate air intake for the rad:
http://users.skynet.be/turbokeu/mycomputer/pc-70/pict0078.jpg

More recent pics:
http://users.skynet.be/turbokeu/mycomputer/pc-70/pict0208.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/turbokeu/mycomputer/pc-70/pict0212.jpg

More pics are availbale on my website.

CD :)

[Karnivore]

Understood, and I agree, some of those peepz qorking in auto parts seem to have very little intelligence. I believe if you asked for a Chevette heater core you would do ok, believe 76-80 but not positive on year. Someone else might jump in and confirm though.

[Karnivore]

Only problem is the Becooling one HAS been discontinued. $55 isn't cheap at all. Why gamble when you have known performance?

[Turbokeu]

Originally posted by Karnivore
Understood, and I agree, some of those peepz qorking in auto parts seem to have very little intelligence. I believe if you asked for a Chevette heater core you would do ok, believe 76-80 but not positive on year. Someone else might jump in and confirm though.
What is a "Chevette" ? :p: (I live in Europe...only european and japanese (and korean) cars here)

CD :)

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Turbokeu
What is a "Chevette" ? :p: (I live in Europe...only european and japanese (and korean) cars here)

CD :)


Similar in size and stature to the old Ford Cortina, you should be familar with those. Its essentially just a Compact Car made by Chevrolet, which like most other cars contains a heater core:eek:

[Turbokeu]

Originally posted by Karnivore
Only problem is the Becooling one HAS been discontinued. $55 isn't cheap at all. Why gamble when you have known performance?
That's what I told in my reply...
And 55$ is VERY cheap in Belgium...

At the time of the start of my project nobody even THOUGHT about car heatercores... Anyway I'm not ready to mod my PC-70 AGAIN (remember I started in june 2001, we are now march 2004 and my PC-70 is still not finished...) to accomodate for a heatercore, I'm happy with the temps as it is.

CD :)

Edit: corrected march 2003 to march 2004...

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Turbokeu
That's what I told in my reply...
And 55$ is VERY cheap in Belgium...

At the time of the start of my project nobody even THOUGHT about car heatercores... Anyway I'm not ready to mod my PC-70 AGAIN (remember I started in june 2001, we are now march 2004 and my PC-70 is still not finished...) to accomodate for a heatercore, I'm happy with the temps as it is.

CD :)

Edit: corrected march 2003 to march 2004...


$55 is NOT cheap in USA, and I thought we were discussing SlimySquid's future PC. Even though, I agree, wouldn't bother if i were you..

[SysCrusher]

I like your setup Turbokeu. Those rads fit nice in a case. Wish I could find a rad that would fit a 92mm fan.

[Turbokeu]

Originally posted by SysCrusher
I like your setup Turbokeu. Those rads fit nice in a case. Wish I could find a rad that would fit a 92mm fan.
Thanks... after 2.5 years of planning a WC setup it HAS to be well done :D
Why do you need a 92mm fan/rad?

CD :)

[Tedinde]

I've been getting 79 ford pick up w air conditioning. 6x6 and 2 1/2 inches thick.

Fits a 120mm fan nice.